WEBVTT - The Girlfriends S3/E4: The Shawties

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, girlfriends, it's me Anna. I wanted to give your

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<v Speaker 1>heads up. This episode takes place within Reiker's Island Jail,

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<v Speaker 1>so we'll obviously be speaking a lot about.

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<v Speaker 2>The prison system.

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<v Speaker 1>Plusa's going to be talk about addiction, and there's lots

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<v Speaker 1>of references to violence, including domestic abuse.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'll also get.

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<v Speaker 1>To introduce you to some incredible women who formed a

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<v Speaker 1>sisterhood while locked up and who helped Kelly become the

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<v Speaker 1>woman she is today. If you're affected by any of

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<v Speaker 1>the themes around domestic and gendered violence in this show,

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<v Speaker 1>reach out to our charity partner No More. There are

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<v Speaker 1>domestic violence charity with a lot of great resources to

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<v Speaker 1>help you or your loved ones. You can search No

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<v Speaker 1>More dot org and we've put a link to their

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<v Speaker 1>website in the episode description. There's also going to be

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<v Speaker 1>some bad language, so let's go. It's a swelteringly hot

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<v Speaker 1>day in early July twenty ten. Kelly Hannatt has just

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<v Speaker 1>arrived at the infamous Riker's Island Jail. She's been taken

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<v Speaker 1>into a unit called pretty Uninspiringly New Admissions.

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<v Speaker 2>This is where you.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait around while you and a busload of other detainees

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<v Speaker 1>are processed. It's not a comfortable place to be even

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<v Speaker 1>at the best of times, and this month temperatures are

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<v Speaker 1>reaching as high as one hundred degrees fahrenheit For the

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<v Speaker 1>non Americans in the room, that's nearly forty degrees celsius

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<v Speaker 1>at the time. Rikers also doesn't have any air conditioning,

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<v Speaker 1>so you're just cattle in a hot tin can.

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<v Speaker 3>I couldn't take it. And this one piece paper suit

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<v Speaker 3>covered my footing and I had no shoes on.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember that bloodstained suit Kelly was wearing. She still got

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<v Speaker 1>that on.

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<v Speaker 3>It was so hot. I ripped the shoe part and

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<v Speaker 3>rolled it up now on barefoot. In II Grews Island

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<v Speaker 3>Inn Intake, which is the philbies place that I know

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<v Speaker 3>of in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>From Intake, where all new arrivals go, Kelly is taken

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<v Speaker 1>through a series of invasive medical tests, blood tests, mental

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<v Speaker 1>health assessments, drug checks. Then she's issued with a kind

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<v Speaker 1>of jail starter pack, some clothes, two towels, two sheets, toothpaste,

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<v Speaker 1>and a toothbrush, a single green cup, plus something called

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<v Speaker 1>state soap, whatever the fuck that means. After getting her supplies,

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly spat out into the general population a sixty person unit.

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<v Speaker 1>As she walks through a communal area lined by cells,

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<v Speaker 1>she can tell that everyone's looking her up and down.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I stayed on me for two reasons. I was

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<v Speaker 3>white and the paper suit. Now I know that African

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<v Speaker 3>Americans are true. You did very unfairly in the justice system.

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<v Speaker 3>So it made sense when I went in there and

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<v Speaker 3>there are sixty cells, and fifty nine of them are

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<v Speaker 3>African American and then there is me. So people started

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<v Speaker 3>talking to me, you're blondie, your white girl, and I said, nah, no,

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<v Speaker 3>we're not doing that. I have a name, I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>a punk. You're not going to push me around in here.

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<v Speaker 1>Other than rejecting some new unwanted nicknames. Kelly keeps her

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<v Speaker 1>head down for the first couple of weeks. She's got

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<v Speaker 1>a plan.

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<v Speaker 3>Just watch and watch and watch, get a feel for

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<v Speaker 3>absolutely everybody. But while I was watching, I was definitely sick.

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly's been an opoid addict for a decade and it's

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<v Speaker 1>been on and off methadone for most of that time.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, she's going through something called administrative detox. It's

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<v Speaker 1>the fastest detox that you can put a person through legally.

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<v Speaker 3>When they're called methodon. A few times I had to

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<v Speaker 3>crawl on my hands and knees, and one captain when

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<v Speaker 3>he saw me, he said, you see, I hope you

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<v Speaker 3>remember this for the rest of your life. This is

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<v Speaker 3>what drugs do you.

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<v Speaker 1>During this time, Kelly's barely able to speak, throwing up

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<v Speaker 1>and worse. Kelly's very religious, the Catholic girl through and through,

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<v Speaker 1>and a dedicated disciple of Saint Terrez, whose signature token

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<v Speaker 1>is a rose.

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<v Speaker 2>Kelly's been praying to her since she was four years old, and.

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<v Speaker 1>I imagine she spent these early weeks of detox doing

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<v Speaker 1>the same. She's always relied on Saint Terrez to get

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<v Speaker 1>her through the worst. But right now there's someone else

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<v Speaker 1>by her side too. Kelly's being nursed by a woman,

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<v Speaker 1>a fellow inmate, someone she's never met before.

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<v Speaker 3>This lady, she was maybe a couple of years older

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<v Speaker 3>than me. And when I was feeling a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>better and I could speak, I said, thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>She gives this woman a hug and I.

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<v Speaker 3>Said, why do you smell like roses? She said, ah,

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<v Speaker 3>these are my rosary beads. I got these from the Vatican.

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<v Speaker 3>They made of rosewood.

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<v Speaker 1>The woman takes the beads off and places them around

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly's neck.

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<v Speaker 3>I said, what is your name? She says Teresa, and

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<v Speaker 3>I said, really, it's amazing. I feel that that was

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<v Speaker 3>my guardian angel I feel that God sent Saint Terre's

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<v Speaker 3>to tell me that everything was going to be okay.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just as well, because Kelly's gonna need all the

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<v Speaker 1>help she can get, divine or otherwise if she's going

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<v Speaker 1>to survive here in Rikers, let's alone prove.

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<v Speaker 2>That she's not a murderer. I'm Annisonfield and from the

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<v Speaker 2>teams at.

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<v Speaker 1>Novel and iHeart Podcasts, this is the Girlfriend's Gaolhouse.

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<v Speaker 2>Lawyer, Episode four, The Shorties.

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<v Speaker 1>At first, Kelly keeps her distance from the other inmates,

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<v Speaker 1>but pretty soon it becomes clear that to get by

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<v Speaker 1>and here, she's going to need some friends.

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<v Speaker 2>Enter Angelica.

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<v Speaker 4>Our sisterhood called ourselves the Sholdies.

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<v Speaker 1>Angelica isn't actually her real name, but it's what we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to call her.

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<v Speaker 4>Going to Core, it is the time where men and

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<v Speaker 4>women are brought back together, right because we're very very

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<v Speaker 4>separate quarters, and so we don't see each other until

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<v Speaker 4>it's time to go to court.

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<v Speaker 3>The way the guys speak to you. They go you

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<v Speaker 3>show it. You showed it with the blonde here, showed it,

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<v Speaker 3>showed it with a gray shirt, or showed it with

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<v Speaker 3>the black pants. You show, they give me your numbers.

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<v Speaker 3>So we started this show. We started calling ourselves to

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<v Speaker 3>show this and this is when I formed a family

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<v Speaker 3>in Rikers.

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<v Speaker 4>We're gonna find lightness and everything. I mean, I think

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<v Speaker 4>it's part of the human condition. As terrible as an

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<v Speaker 4>experience is, in order to survive it, you find some

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<v Speaker 4>beauty somewhere. You find something amusing somewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly finds her little pocket of joy at the same

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<v Speaker 1>place she found it before. Present on the dance floor,

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<v Speaker 1>drop the big kel.

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<v Speaker 2>Mice for my.

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<v Speaker 3>Walk and on and dance like in the open in

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<v Speaker 3>the huge recreational room. I wanted to feel happiness, and

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<v Speaker 3>that's what made me happy. So I danced and other

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<v Speaker 3>people started dancing again. We started what they call a battle.

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<v Speaker 3>One person will go and then the next person goes,

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<v Speaker 3>and then by whatever you hear of the crowd scream

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<v Speaker 3>like yo, she got sunned, that's who wins. Then the

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<v Speaker 3>officers were calling other officers to come watch this, and

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<v Speaker 3>they said, you gotta see the way this white girl

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<v Speaker 3>is sunning everybody. Yeah, I won the battle. They were

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<v Speaker 3>like yo, white girl could get down, and they took

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<v Speaker 3>me in as their own.

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<v Speaker 1>Which included sharing the most sacred secret recipe, DIY beauty tips.

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<v Speaker 4>How do we straighten hair without a flat iron? Well,

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<v Speaker 4>we had a nice hot pot, which is kind of

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<v Speaker 4>like a long tea kettle if you want, and we

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<v Speaker 4>went unplug it and like wrap hair around it and

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<v Speaker 4>brush it. Or in Kelly's skide, she liked her hair curly,

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<v Speaker 4>so she would make rollers out of newspapers or tissue.

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<v Speaker 4>She's kind of like roll her hair tied a little

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<v Speaker 4>not go to sleep and there you go, curly soup.

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<v Speaker 4>And for lipstick, for example, we had these little packs

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<v Speaker 4>of almost like kool aid with the crystals, a little

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<v Speaker 4>bit to your lips. There you go, No smuch, lipstick.

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<v Speaker 2>What about foundation or eyeshadow or a scar? My scar

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<v Speaker 2>must be hard.

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<v Speaker 4>So mascara was made with toothpaste and the ink from

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<v Speaker 4>a pen. Now, thinking back at it, probably not the

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<v Speaker 4>best thing for your eyes, but don't get your eyes

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<v Speaker 4>wet and you're fine, right, And it worked just like mscara,

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<v Speaker 4>and it got to the point where officers were like,

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<v Speaker 4>you guys have makeup in yourselves. Were like no, They're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>here go these Building eight girls. You know, because we

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<v Speaker 4>were always tipped up as.

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<v Speaker 2>The shortiest bond.

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<v Speaker 1>Over time, Kelly tells them about her case and everyone

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<v Speaker 1>kind of shrugs it off.

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<v Speaker 2>All of us were like, why are you here. Kelly's innocent.

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<v Speaker 1>They can all tell and it's just a matter of

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<v Speaker 1>time before a jury will see that too.

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<v Speaker 4>We just knew, Oh, you're gonna go home, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>This is just it's unfortunately it is taking this long.

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<v Speaker 1>At one point early in Kelly's detention, her brother Ronnie

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<v Speaker 1>comes to pay her a visit. The visitors area is

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<v Speaker 1>one depressing room split into two by a row of

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<v Speaker 1>booths that go down the middle. Glass separates the prisoners

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<v Speaker 1>and the visitors.

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<v Speaker 2>Over the two way telephones.

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly and Ronnie are having a heated exchange. Kelly's been

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<v Speaker 1>offered a plea deal ten years in prison. Her co defendant,

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<v Speaker 1>an ex boyfriend, Tommy Donovan, the man Kelly says is

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<v Speaker 1>solely responsible for Angel Vargas's murder, has already taken the

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<v Speaker 1>deal he was offered.

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<v Speaker 3>He'll take a plea from manslaughter for fifteen years, and

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<v Speaker 3>the deal was as long as he states that I

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<v Speaker 3>helped him. Those were the conditions.

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<v Speaker 2>But Kelly's not budgeting.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not guilty. I'm not taking a plea. I plan

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<v Speaker 3>on taking this to trial.

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<v Speaker 5>Don't go to trial. Please, don't go to trial.

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<v Speaker 3>Ronnie. I can't say the words that I did something

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't do.

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<v Speaker 2>I was getting so frustrated.

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<v Speaker 3>Ronnie was so scared to lose me that he was

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<v Speaker 3>telling me to take the plea. I screamed it out.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think that everybody that's shit? Do you think

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<v Speaker 2>they all did it?

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<v Speaker 3>And everybody that was there that was shaking their heads

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<v Speaker 3>like he's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly's in a unit of sixty, but Ryker's Island houses

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<v Speaker 1>around six hundred women in total. Their charges range from

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<v Speaker 1>things like simple drug possession all the way up to murder.

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<v Speaker 1>They come from different places, but there's one thing so

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<v Speaker 1>many of them seem to have in common.

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<v Speaker 4>Very few people wake up one morning you say I'm

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<v Speaker 4>gonna hurt somebody today. Right, there's a whole story before

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<v Speaker 4>you get.

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<v Speaker 3>To that moment.

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<v Speaker 1>One after another, those stories eventually blend in together.

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<v Speaker 5>Is that a woman calls an ear for the messbality.

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<v Speaker 3>I have a domestic violence.

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<v Speaker 4>Case, domestic violence survivor fighting off their attacker, and things

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<v Speaker 4>like that.

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<v Speaker 5>He came up behind me and put me in an

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<v Speaker 5>awful chocoal in trying to kill me the first time

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<v Speaker 5>I fell.

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<v Speaker 3>Back where I ended up killing him.

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<v Speaker 5>Next thing I know, I was being arrested for a

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<v Speaker 5>murder in a first degree.

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<v Speaker 2>This isn't unique to Rikers.

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<v Speaker 1>Studies showed that more than seventy percent of incarcerated women

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<v Speaker 1>say there've been victims of domestic abuse, and obviously this

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<v Speaker 1>is in addition to the poverty and racial abuse many

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<v Speaker 1>have experienced. When Kelly looked around the visiting room that

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<v Speaker 1>day and looked around the jailhouse in the days after,

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<v Speaker 1>she wouldn't have just seen a room full of potential criminals,

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<v Speaker 1>but a room full of women like her. All Kelly

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<v Speaker 1>can hope is that the next chapter of her life

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<v Speaker 1>includes a not guilty verdict. But it's a not hill battle,

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<v Speaker 1>and the odds are seriously stacked against her. Because that

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<v Speaker 1>plea deal that her ex boyfriend Tommy took, the one

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<v Speaker 1>where he agreed to testify against her. It means that

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<v Speaker 1>now she's facing even greater charges than him, and if

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly can't convince a jury that she's a victim too,

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<v Speaker 1>she could spend the rest of her life in prison.

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<v Speaker 1>About three weeks after arriving at Riker's, Kelly is still

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<v Speaker 1>getting her daily dose of Methadone. One day she gets

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<v Speaker 1>talking to the woman in charge of the detox program,

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<v Speaker 1>Miss Cruise.

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<v Speaker 3>She goes, Harnett, you need to start it with this

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<v Speaker 3>methodone shit. You need to get the hell off of it,

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<v Speaker 3>and you need to get your ast to that law library.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what you need to do. You need to get

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<v Speaker 3>your head in those books, seriously, Kelly. And when she

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<v Speaker 3>got me, Kelly, it was like humanizing me. She said,

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<v Speaker 3>you gotta start finding your case. So I said to myself,

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<v Speaker 3>all right, she go to the law library. See what happens.

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<v Speaker 1>The next day at twelve thirty pm sharp, Kelly's outside

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<v Speaker 1>the law library. She's waiting at the locked blue door,

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<v Speaker 1>peering in through the window, and.

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<v Speaker 3>The officer opens the door, checks the list. They're very

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<v Speaker 3>used to nobody's showing up. They're still used to getting

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<v Speaker 3>those hours free and they could just go and hang

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<v Speaker 3>out with their friends. So I was cramping their style.

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<v Speaker 1>The law library is divided into two main sections, separated

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<v Speaker 1>by a big divider with windows. As you walk through,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll see a load of computers and then row after

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<v Speaker 1>row of bookcases. But to get to that part, you

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<v Speaker 1>first have to pass the officer's desk, which sits directly

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<v Speaker 1>across from a bunch of old typewriters and some of

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<v Speaker 1>the dustiest, oldest law books in the library.

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<v Speaker 3>He was really pissed off the guard that somebody was

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<v Speaker 3>coming in. He said to me, anytime you want to leave,

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<v Speaker 3>you leave early. And I was like, there's no way

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<v Speaker 3>I'm moving early. What am I going back to? Really?

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<v Speaker 3>What am I going back to?

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<v Speaker 1>There is one person happy to see Kelly in the

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<v Speaker 1>law library.

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<v Speaker 3>The paralegal that was there, an older man. His name

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<v Speaker 3>was Fernando Contreras. What an amazing man. I mean, he

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<v Speaker 3>was so great with me. He gave me so much hope.

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<v Speaker 2>Kelly picks up her first book.

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<v Speaker 3>McKinney's Consolidated Law, that's the binding authority for New York State.

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<v Speaker 3>I started reading it and nothing made sense to me. Literally,

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<v Speaker 3>at first, they look like hieroglyphics. It was like a

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<v Speaker 3>complete foreign language, and I didn't understand how people could

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<v Speaker 3>possibly go in there and understand anything. And I said, Okay, Kelly,

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<v Speaker 3>the only way that you could learn to love this

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<v Speaker 3>is if you're good at it. Everyone loves something that

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<v Speaker 3>they're good at. So start reading things over and over

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<v Speaker 3>and over until you practically memorize them. When you practically

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<v Speaker 3>memorize them, you're going to become good at it. When

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<v Speaker 3>you're good at it and you master it, you're going

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<v Speaker 3>to love it. I was studying for sixteen hours a day.

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<v Speaker 3>I was reading CPL seven ten, twenty thirty seven, forty

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<v Speaker 3>and so forth, Brady violations, Rosario violations.

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<v Speaker 1>One day, during one of Kelly's hieroglyphic translations, another inmate

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<v Speaker 1>comes to join her.

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<v Speaker 2>Her name is Peaches.

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<v Speaker 3>Peaches became a really good friend of mine. She had

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<v Speaker 3>such an amazing personality. She was such a good person.

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<v Speaker 3>She was just so genuine, and I would help her

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit with her reading. And then it became

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<v Speaker 3>like a potential assistance for legal work. Because I'm just

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<v Speaker 3>getting started, so I didn't know if I would ever

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<v Speaker 3>have the capability to help myself or anyone else.

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<v Speaker 1>But the more Kelly reads and then rereads, the more

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<v Speaker 1>things start to fall into place.

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<v Speaker 3>By the third time I read it, I couldn't believe that.

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<v Speaker 3>I felt like they look like hieroglyphics because I'm totally

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<v Speaker 3>understanding this now, and I'm picking up the wording even

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<v Speaker 3>if a case is unfavorable. I'm learning how to write

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<v Speaker 3>the way that they write.

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<v Speaker 1>She's not just regurgitating a bunch of jargon. Kelly starts

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<v Speaker 1>crafting legally sound arguments.

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<v Speaker 3>They became the love of my life. I started filing

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<v Speaker 3>dismissals and a dateming for people at Rikers Island.

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly's not only helping individuals with their own cases, She's

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<v Speaker 1>fighting for all of her Rikers Island sisters.

0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:38.320
<v Speaker 3>We took them to court for taking our flip flops away.

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<v Speaker 3>We took them to court for searches like they were

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<v Speaker 3>doing excessive searches on a specific unit because it was

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<v Speaker 3>so small, and we took them to court for that.

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<v Speaker 3>They stayed away for about eight months.

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<v Speaker 1>After that, Kelly's reputation eventually starts spreading around the prison.

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<v Speaker 1>It even reaches a recently arrived inmate who will call Tash.

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<v Speaker 1>She's been jailed in Rikers following a lifetime of abuse

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<v Speaker 1>after witnessing her boyfriend murder someone everyone who makes Tasha

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<v Speaker 1>tells her the same thing.

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<v Speaker 5>You need to go toward the Kelly. So I'm like, well,

0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:20.280
<v Speaker 5>who's Kelly? But she works in a lot of library.

0:20:21.720 --> 0:20:25.200
<v Speaker 1>By this point, Kelly's in high demand. There's a long

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<v Speaker 1>line of women who want her services. Tasha comes back

0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:30.399
<v Speaker 1>again and again.

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<v Speaker 5>Eventually I asked her one day, I said, excuse me,

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<v Speaker 5>your name Kelly. She looked at me, she smiled with

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<v Speaker 5>the most beautiful and smiler ever gotten. Then she said yes.

0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:43.040
<v Speaker 5>I said, can you please help me? And I just

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<v Speaker 5>started crying. I sat down and she was like, well,

0:20:46.920 --> 0:20:48.800
<v Speaker 5>tell me what's going on. So I told her a

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<v Speaker 5>little bit about the case. And she went and she

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<v Speaker 5>found this paperworking that pertment. She put it out and

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<v Speaker 5>she gave it to me. She was like, I want

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<v Speaker 5>you to read this and write down whatever you feel

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<v Speaker 5>fits in your crown. Eventually, no, I will continue to

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<v Speaker 5>go back.

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<v Speaker 3>I was giving a lot of people hope, and they

0:21:06.200 --> 0:21:08.320
<v Speaker 3>were telling me that thank you so much for you

0:21:08.359 --> 0:21:10.359
<v Speaker 3>giving us so much shop. All of a sudden, the

0:21:10.440 --> 0:21:14.920
<v Speaker 3>little library started getting packed and like mister Brown wasn't

0:21:14.960 --> 0:21:18.040
<v Speaker 3>happy about that. Mister Brown was the officer. He goes,

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<v Speaker 3>oh god, her net Jahau lawyer.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, life isn't all roses for Kelly inside, even

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<v Speaker 1>with Saint Z watching over her. Kelly spent the last

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<v Speaker 1>few months fighting for her fellow inmates, but her trial

0:21:33.480 --> 0:21:36.040
<v Speaker 1>is coming up she needs to go back to fighting

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<v Speaker 1>her own corner. Unfortunately for Kelly, though, that's not the

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<v Speaker 1>only fight she needs to be prepared for, because while

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<v Speaker 1>the Shortys have her back, Kelly's also.

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<v Speaker 2>Made some dangerous enemies.

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<v Speaker 1>It's always an uncomfortable experience running into your ex's x.

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<v Speaker 2>Now imagine running into them in jail when.

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<v Speaker 1>Neither of you can get away, which is exactly what

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<v Speaker 1>happens to Kelly. She's trapped in Rikers with Tommy Donovan's

0:22:26.840 --> 0:22:30.320
<v Speaker 1>ex girlfriend, who Kelly says is inside for selling drugs.

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<v Speaker 1>And the worst part of all of this is that

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<v Speaker 1>Tommy's ex she has serious beef with Kelly.

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<v Speaker 3>I asked her why she's like you stole my men.

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<v Speaker 3>I had a fistfight with her literally every single solitary day,

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<v Speaker 3>every day, to the point where one day I said

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<v Speaker 3>I want to have a peaceful day today. So I

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<v Speaker 3>was five point thirty, it was breakfast time. I pounded

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<v Speaker 3>on her door and She's like what who's there? And

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, it's Kelly. Get up, let's go. So

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<v Speaker 3>we get it out of the way. So she comes

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<v Speaker 3>out like hair all crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>I said, come on, She said, where are we going?

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<v Speaker 3>I said, to the staircase where there's no cameras and listen.

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<v Speaker 3>My brother told me to fight. And you know, for

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<v Speaker 3>a white blonde girl like people get shocked at my strength.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not something I'm proud of. I'm a lady. However,

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<v Speaker 3>if you're going to touch me, you are going to

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<v Speaker 3>get a receipt. So yeah, I kind of beat the

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<v Speaker 3>hell out of her on the staircase, but I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>start the fight. She kept hitting me first every day.

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<v Speaker 3>This went on for forty five to sixty days, so

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, okay, so it's a one to day thing,

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<v Speaker 3>so I'm just going to get her first. But I

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<v Speaker 3>would never be like a dirty person and like hit

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<v Speaker 3>her when she's not looking like she would to me.

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<v Speaker 2>This isn't the only fight Kelly was getting in.

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<v Speaker 3>They have these girls that we call bubble now. Bubble

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<v Speaker 3>leuts are the girls that hang around the officer's bubble

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<v Speaker 3>and flirt with them all day long, and you get

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<v Speaker 3>really pissed off because you're like, you can't get your

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<v Speaker 3>door open, you can't do this, you can't do that.

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<v Speaker 3>You need toilet paper, and they're just flirting and flirting,

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<v Speaker 3>and for I want to just say, listen, just put

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<v Speaker 3>the floating on hold. Can you just give me some

0:24:25.880 --> 0:24:28.240
<v Speaker 3>toilet paper? Please? I just use the bathroom and you

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<v Speaker 3>have to wait. Flirting, flirting, flirting.

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly asks if she can get past to use the

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<v Speaker 1>shower because one of the bubblets is standing in her way.

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<v Speaker 3>She told me I couldn't use the shower, and I said,

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<v Speaker 3>ex use me. The last time I checked. You're an

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<v Speaker 3>inmate here, just like me. And she said you can't

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<v Speaker 3>use it, and I said, I'm using it.

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly breezes passed and steps into the shower.

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<v Speaker 3>Bad move. I feel someone rebb meat and yank, like

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<v Speaker 3>instant whiplish. Right now. I see people running in one

0:25:05.560 --> 0:25:09.040
<v Speaker 3>held one arm in back of me. When I went

0:25:09.119 --> 0:25:12.399
<v Speaker 3>to hit her, the girl cault my hand and hold

0:25:12.440 --> 0:25:15.720
<v Speaker 3>it back. They pull it like a crucifixion because it's

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<v Speaker 3>like one arm here, one arm here, you can't use it.

0:25:18.400 --> 0:25:22.240
<v Speaker 3>And then the girl who was flirting, she just starts

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<v Speaker 3>punching me in the face. Punch, punch, punch, punch, punch.

0:25:26.240 --> 0:25:29.040
<v Speaker 3>Now I'm trying to kick her. Somebody else spares my leg.

0:25:30.760 --> 0:25:33.560
<v Speaker 3>Now each person has a limb. I'm up in the

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<v Speaker 3>air with the girl punching me over and over and

0:25:37.720 --> 0:25:41.200
<v Speaker 3>over repeatedly. Right the girl who was holding my right arm,

0:25:41.600 --> 0:25:47.040
<v Speaker 3>she said, stop, you're gonna cure. That's when I got scared.

0:25:48.040 --> 0:25:51.639
<v Speaker 3>If her co conspirator is telling her to stop, this

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<v Speaker 3>must look really bad. And then Peaches comes running in.

0:25:58.200 --> 0:26:01.560
<v Speaker 1>In addition to being Kelly's on a official law library assistant,

0:26:02.119 --> 0:26:05.160
<v Speaker 1>Peaches is a big, friendly, giant type of woman.

0:26:06.200 --> 0:26:08.560
<v Speaker 2>She's also not someone you fuck with.

0:26:11.480 --> 0:26:18.000
<v Speaker 3>She said, you FM bitches, put her the f down

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<v Speaker 3>before I f and kill all of you. And she

0:26:22.119 --> 0:26:24.640
<v Speaker 3>put me down, all right. She actually threw me down

0:26:24.760 --> 0:26:30.720
<v Speaker 3>into another shower. Pes Kels, get up, now, get a

0:26:30.720 --> 0:26:35.800
<v Speaker 3>few shots in, and I did. I just started willing boom.

0:26:35.600 --> 0:26:38.439
<v Speaker 2>Boom boom, boom boom.

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<v Speaker 3>This is not something I'm proud of. I just want

0:26:42.240 --> 0:26:45.639
<v Speaker 3>to put on the record. However, this was the survival

0:26:45.680 --> 0:26:49.199
<v Speaker 3>of the fittest, and like only the strong survive, so

0:26:49.359 --> 0:26:52.960
<v Speaker 3>if it got out there that I took this, it

0:26:53.000 --> 0:26:56.040
<v Speaker 3>would never stop so I knew I had to do

0:26:56.160 --> 0:26:59.359
<v Speaker 3>some type of damage to make it visible to other people.

0:27:00.200 --> 0:27:03.639
<v Speaker 3>I did a lot more than I intended I'm doing.

0:27:04.520 --> 0:27:10.960
<v Speaker 3>I put her on a wheelchair so permanently. No, no, no, no,

0:27:11.520 --> 0:27:13.960
<v Speaker 3>I think she was really trying to milk it. Honestly,

0:27:14.760 --> 0:27:18.160
<v Speaker 3>she told everyone, Yo, that white bitch is crazy. Say

0:27:18.240 --> 0:27:19.960
<v Speaker 3>the fuck away from her.

0:27:20.840 --> 0:27:23.720
<v Speaker 1>Like the other times Kelly's told me she's gotten into scraps,

0:27:24.040 --> 0:27:26.000
<v Speaker 1>Kelly was quick to add that she's not proud of

0:27:26.040 --> 0:27:28.800
<v Speaker 1>how this bust up went down, but she's also kind

0:27:28.800 --> 0:27:31.440
<v Speaker 1>of laughing it off. And while she might not have

0:27:31.560 --> 0:27:35.720
<v Speaker 1>started this fight, she sure finished it. I know my

0:27:35.800 --> 0:27:38.760
<v Speaker 1>discomfort has showed me up as a real soft handed

0:27:38.960 --> 0:27:42.800
<v Speaker 1>Lily Liver journalist, and believe me, I am trying my

0:27:42.880 --> 0:27:49.280
<v Speaker 1>best not to be. But here's the thing. Firstly, I'm

0:27:49.320 --> 0:27:52.359
<v Speaker 1>still shaking off my preconceived notions of how I would

0:27:52.359 --> 0:27:56.600
<v Speaker 1>expect a victim like Kelly to behave. And also because

0:27:56.640 --> 0:27:59.680
<v Speaker 1>I reckon if I was facing an accusation of murder,

0:28:00.359 --> 0:28:02.680
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't be so open about sharing a story where

0:28:02.720 --> 0:28:05.200
<v Speaker 1>I kick the shit out of someone to the point

0:28:05.200 --> 0:28:11.200
<v Speaker 1>of them needing a wheelchair temporarily or not. I care

0:28:11.280 --> 0:28:13.400
<v Speaker 1>about Kelly, and I kind of want to tell her

0:28:13.400 --> 0:28:17.200
<v Speaker 1>to edit herself in these moments because it doesn't look good.

0:28:18.160 --> 0:28:21.119
<v Speaker 1>But I actually think, in a weird way, Kelly telling

0:28:21.160 --> 0:28:24.439
<v Speaker 1>me this shows that she's not holding back or shying

0:28:24.440 --> 0:28:28.600
<v Speaker 1>away from some of the less sympathetic parts of her story.

0:28:28.760 --> 0:28:32.479
<v Speaker 1>The bottom line is, jail is a rough place, and,

0:28:32.560 --> 0:28:40.680
<v Speaker 1>like Kelly says, only the strong survive. Whenever she's not

0:28:40.760 --> 0:28:43.600
<v Speaker 1>fighting her exes X in the stairwell or a few

0:28:43.640 --> 0:28:47.560
<v Speaker 1>pissed off bubblettes in the shower, Kelly's in the law library,

0:28:47.920 --> 0:28:51.160
<v Speaker 1>fighting her case, maybe a few dance battles in between.

0:28:52.400 --> 0:28:54.920
<v Speaker 1>Her life goes on like this for some time, which

0:28:54.920 --> 0:28:57.200
<v Speaker 1>won't be a surprise to anyone who has experience of

0:28:57.240 --> 0:29:08.240
<v Speaker 1>the justice system. It moves very slowly. It's May twenty thirteen.

0:29:08.760 --> 0:29:12.040
<v Speaker 1>Kelly's trial date, after years of delays, is set to

0:29:12.080 --> 0:29:13.600
<v Speaker 1>begin in the next few months.

0:29:15.400 --> 0:29:17.000
<v Speaker 2>Kelly's been poring over all the.

0:29:17.000 --> 0:29:20.800
<v Speaker 1>Documents from her case, arming herself as best she can

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<v Speaker 1>for the fight ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>When she gets some news.

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<v Speaker 1>Her lawyer has received a letter, a letter that could

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<v Speaker 1>change everything, A letter from her ex boyfriend Tommy Donovan.

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<v Speaker 3>Dear mister Ebstein, as you're already acquainted with me, I

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<v Speaker 3>will get to the point my memory is clear and

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<v Speaker 3>my intentions now true.

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<v Speaker 1>On the next episode of The Girlfriend's Geilhouse Lawyer, Kelly's

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<v Speaker 1>case goes to trial.

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<v Speaker 3>The trial was awful. They called Judge Lasak mister murder.

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<v Speaker 3>They got into an altercation with mister Vargas. Hi, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>the killer. That's the likely motive for what happened. Did

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<v Speaker 3>I pull that out of the air. No, I've pulled

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<v Speaker 3>that out of the evidence. They came back with the

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<v Speaker 3>unanimous verdict. I couldn't believe it.

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<v Speaker 1>The Girlfriend's Jailhouse Lawyer is produced by Novel for iHeart Podcasts.

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