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Speaker 1: heads up. This episode takes place within Reiker's Island Jail,

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Speaker 1: so we'll obviously be speaking a lot about.

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Speaker 2: The prison system.

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Speaker 1: Plusa's going to be talk about addiction, and there's lots

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Speaker 1: of references to violence, including domestic abuse.

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Speaker 2: But I'll also get.

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Speaker 1: To introduce you to some incredible women who formed a

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Speaker 1: sisterhood while locked up and who helped Kelly become the

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Speaker 1: woman she is today. If you're affected by any of

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Speaker 1: the themes around domestic and gendered violence in this show,

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Speaker 1: reach out to our charity partner No More. There are

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Speaker 1: domestic violence charity with a lot of great resources to

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Speaker 1: help you or your loved ones. You can search No

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Speaker 1: More dot org and we've put a link to their

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Speaker 1: website in the episode description. There's also going to be

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Speaker 1: some bad language, so let's go. It's a swelteringly hot

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Speaker 1: day in early July twenty ten. Kelly Hannatt has just

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Speaker 1: arrived at the infamous Riker's Island Jail. She's been taken

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Speaker 1: into a unit called pretty Uninspiringly New Admissions.

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Speaker 2: This is where you.

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Speaker 1: Wait around while you and a busload of other detainees

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Speaker 1: at the best of times, and this month temperatures are

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Speaker 1: reaching as high as one hundred degrees fahrenheit For the

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Speaker 1: so you're just cattle in a hot tin can.

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Speaker 3: I couldn't take it. And this one piece paper suit

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Speaker 1: Remember that bloodstained suit Kelly was wearing. She still got

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Speaker 3: It was so hot. I ripped the shoe part and

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Speaker 3: rolled it up now on barefoot. In II Grews Island

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Speaker 3: Inn Intake, which is the philbies place that I know

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Speaker 1: From Intake, where all new arrivals go, Kelly is taken

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Speaker 1: through a series of invasive medical tests, blood tests, mental

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Speaker 1: health assessments, drug checks. Then she's issued with a kind

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Speaker 1: As she walks through a communal area lined by cells,

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Speaker 3: Oh, I stayed on me for two reasons. I was

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Speaker 3: white and the paper suit. Now I know that African

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Speaker 3: So it made sense when I went in there and

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Speaker 3: talking to me, you're blondie, your white girl, and I said, nah, no,

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Speaker 3: we're not doing that. I have a name, I'm not

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Speaker 1: Other than rejecting some new unwanted nicknames. Kelly keeps her

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Speaker 3: Just watch and watch and watch, get a feel for

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Speaker 1: Kelly's been an opoid addict for a decade and it's

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Speaker 1: been on and off methadone for most of that time.

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Speaker 1: Right now, she's going through something called administrative detox. It's

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Speaker 3: When they're called methodon. A few times I had to

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Speaker 1: During this time, Kelly's barely able to speak, throwing up

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Speaker 1: and worse. Kelly's very religious, the Catholic girl through and through,

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Speaker 1: and a dedicated disciple of Saint Terrez, whose signature token

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Speaker 2: Kelly's been praying to her since she was four years old, and.

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Speaker 1: I imagine she spent these early weeks of detox doing

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Speaker 1: the same. She's always relied on Saint Terrez to get

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Speaker 1: her through the worst. But right now there's someone else

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Speaker 3: Said, why do you smell like roses? She said, ah,

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Speaker 3: I said, what is your name? She says Teresa, and

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Speaker 1: It's just as well, because Kelly's gonna need all the

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Speaker 2: That she's not a murderer. I'm Annisonfield and from the

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Speaker 2: teams at.

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Speaker 1: Novel and iHeart Podcasts, this is the Girlfriend's Gaolhouse.

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Speaker 2: Lawyer, Episode four, The Shorties.

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Speaker 1: At first, Kelly keeps her distance from the other inmates,

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Speaker 1: but pretty soon it becomes clear that to get by

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Speaker 2: Enter Angelica.

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Speaker 4: Our sisterhood called ourselves the Sholdies.

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Speaker 1: Angelica isn't actually her real name, but it's what we're

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Speaker 1: going to call her.

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Speaker 4: Going to Core, it is the time where men and

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Speaker 4: it's time to go to court.

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Speaker 3: The way the guys speak to you. They go you

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Speaker 3: show it. You showed it with the blonde here, showed it,

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Speaker 3: So we started this show. We started calling ourselves to

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Speaker 3: show this and this is when I formed a family

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Speaker 4: We're gonna find lightness and everything. I mean, I think

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Speaker 4: it's part of the human condition. As terrible as an

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Speaker 4: experience is, in order to survive it, you find some

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Speaker 1: Kelly finds her little pocket of joy at the same

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Speaker 1: place she found it before. Present on the dance floor,

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Speaker 2: Mice for my.

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Speaker 3: Walk and on and dance like in the open in

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Speaker 1: Which included sharing the most sacred secret recipe, DIY beauty tips.

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Speaker 4: How do we straighten hair without a flat iron? Well,

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Speaker 4: we had a nice hot pot, which is kind of

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Speaker 4: like a long tea kettle if you want, and we

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Speaker 4: went unplug it and like wrap hair around it and

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Speaker 4: so she would make rollers out of newspapers or tissue.

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Speaker 4: And for lipstick, for example, we had these little packs

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Speaker 2: What about foundation or eyeshadow or a scar? My scar

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Speaker 4: and it got to the point where officers were like,

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Speaker 4: here go these Building eight girls. You know, because we

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Speaker 2: The shortiest bond.

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Speaker 1: Over time, Kelly tells them about her case and everyone

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Speaker 2: All of us were like, why are you here. Kelly's innocent.

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Speaker 1: They can all tell and it's just a matter of

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Speaker 4: We just knew, Oh, you're gonna go home, you know.

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Speaker 4: This is just it's unfortunately it is taking this long.

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Speaker 1: At one point early in Kelly's detention, her brother Ronnie

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Speaker 1: Kelly and Ronnie are having a heated exchange. Kelly's been

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Speaker 1: offered a plea deal ten years in prison. Her co defendant,

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Speaker 1: an ex boyfriend, Tommy Donovan, the man Kelly says is

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Speaker 3: He'll take a plea from manslaughter for fifteen years, and

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Speaker 2: But Kelly's not budgeting.

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Speaker 3: I'm not guilty. I'm not taking a plea. I plan

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Speaker 3: Ronnie. I can't say the words that I did something

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Speaker 2: I was getting so frustrated.

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Speaker 3: Ronnie was so scared to lose me that he was

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Speaker 2: Do you think that everybody that's shit? Do you think

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Speaker 3: And everybody that was there that was shaking their heads

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Speaker 1: Kelly's in a unit of sixty, but Ryker's Island houses

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Speaker 1: around six hundred women in total. Their charges range from

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Speaker 1: They come from different places, but there's one thing so

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Speaker 4: Very few people wake up one morning you say I'm

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Speaker 4: gonna hurt somebody today. Right, there's a whole story before

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Speaker 1: One after another, those stories eventually blend in together.

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Speaker 3: I have a domestic violence.

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Speaker 4: Case, domestic violence survivor fighting off their attacker, and things

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Speaker 5: He came up behind me and put me in an

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Speaker 3: Back where I ended up killing him.

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Speaker 5: Next thing I know, I was being arrested for a

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Speaker 2: This isn't unique to Rikers.

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Speaker 1: Studies showed that more than seventy percent of incarcerated women

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Speaker 3: McKinney's Consolidated Law, that's the binding authority for New York State.

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Speaker 1: One day, during one of Kelly's hieroglyphic translations, another inmate

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Speaker 2: Her name is Peaches.

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Speaker 3: Peaches became a really good friend of mine. She had

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Speaker 1: But the more Kelly reads and then rereads, the more

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Speaker 3: By the third time I read it, I couldn't believe that.

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Speaker 3: They became the love of my life. I started filing

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Speaker 1: Kelly's not only helping individuals with their own cases, She's

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Speaker 3: We took them to court for taking our flip flops away.

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Speaker 3: They stayed away for about eight months.

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Speaker 1: After that, Kelly's reputation eventually starts spreading around the prison.

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Speaker 1: It even reaches a recently arrived inmate who will call Tash.

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Speaker 1: She's been jailed in Rikers following a lifetime of abuse

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Speaker 5: You need to go toward the Kelly. So I'm like, well,

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Speaker 1: By this point, Kelly's in high demand. There's a long

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Speaker 5: Eventually I asked her one day, I said, excuse me,

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Speaker 5: I said, can you please help me? And I just

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Speaker 5: tell me what's going on. So I told her a

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Speaker 5: found this paperworking that pertment. She put it out and

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Speaker 3: I was giving a lot of people hope, and they

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Speaker 3: happy about that. Mister Brown was the officer. He goes,

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Speaker 3: oh god, her net Jahau lawyer.

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Speaker 1: Of course, life isn't all roses for Kelly inside, even

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Speaker 1: her own corner. Unfortunately for Kelly, though, that's not the

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Speaker 2: Made some dangerous enemies.

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Speaker 1: It's always an uncomfortable experience running into your ex's x.

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Speaker 2: Now imagine running into them in jail when.

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Speaker 1: Neither of you can get away, which is exactly what

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Speaker 1: And the worst part of all of this is that

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Speaker 3: I asked her why she's like you stole my men.

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Speaker 3: I had a fistfight with her literally every single solitary day,

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Speaker 3: I was like, it's Kelly. Get up, let's go. So

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Speaker 2: I said, come on, She said, where are we going?

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Speaker 3: I said, to the staircase where there's no cameras and listen.

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Speaker 3: My brother told me to fight. And you know, for

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Speaker 3: It's not something I'm proud of. I'm a lady. However,

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Speaker 3: This went on for forty five to sixty days, so

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Speaker 2: This isn't the only fight Kelly was getting in.

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Speaker 3: They have these girls that we call bubble now. Bubble

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Speaker 3: leuts are the girls that hang around the officer's bubble

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Speaker 3: and flirt with them all day long, and you get

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Speaker 3: You need toilet paper, and they're just flirting and flirting,

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Speaker 3: and for I want to just say, listen, just put

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Speaker 3: toilet paper? Please? I just use the bathroom and you

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Speaker 1: Kelly asks if she can get past to use the

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Speaker 3: She told me I couldn't use the shower, and I said,

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Speaker 3: use it, and I said, I'm using it.

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Speaker 3: Bad move. I feel someone rebb meat and yank, like

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Speaker 3: instant whiplish. Right now. I see people running in one

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Speaker 3: And then the girl who was flirting, she just starts

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Speaker 3: Now I'm trying to kick her. Somebody else spares my leg.

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Speaker 3: she said, stop, you're gonna cure. That's when I got scared.

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Speaker 3: If her co conspirator is telling her to stop, this

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Speaker 1: In addition to being Kelly's on a official law library assistant,

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Speaker 2: She's also not someone you fuck with.

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Speaker 3: She said, you FM bitches, put her the f down

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Speaker 3: put me down, all right. She actually threw me down

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Speaker 3: into another shower. Pes Kels, get up, now, get a

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Speaker 3: few shots in, and I did. I just started willing boom.

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Speaker 2: Boom boom, boom boom.

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Speaker 3: This is not something I'm proud of. I just want

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Speaker 3: I did a lot more than I intended I'm doing.

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Speaker 3: I put her on a wheelchair so permanently. No, no, no, no,

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Speaker 3: I think she was really trying to milk it. Honestly,

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Speaker 3: she told everyone, Yo, that white bitch is crazy. Say

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Speaker 1: Like the other times Kelly's told me she's gotten into scraps,

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Speaker 1: I reckon if I was facing an accusation of murder,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't be so open about sharing a story where

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Speaker 1: I kick the shit out of someone to the point

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Speaker 1: of them needing a wheelchair temporarily or not. I care

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Speaker 1: about Kelly, and I kind of want to tell her

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Speaker 1: to edit herself in these moments because it doesn't look good.

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Speaker 1: But I actually think, in a weird way, Kelly telling

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Speaker 1: me this shows that she's not holding back or shying

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Speaker 1: away from some of the less sympathetic parts of her story.

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Speaker 1: The bottom line is, jail is a rough place, and,

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Speaker 1: like Kelly says, only the strong survive. Whenever she's not

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Speaker 1: fighting her exes X in the stairwell or a few

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Speaker 1: pissed off bubblettes in the shower, Kelly's in the law library,

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Speaker 1: fighting her case, maybe a few dance battles in between.

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Speaker 1: Her life goes on like this for some time, which

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Speaker 1: won't be a surprise to anyone who has experience of

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Speaker 1: the justice system. It moves very slowly. It's May twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 1: Kelly's trial date, after years of delays, is set to

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Speaker 1: begin in the next few months.

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Speaker 2: Kelly's been poring over all the.

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Speaker 1: Documents from her case, arming herself as best she can

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Speaker 1: for the fight ahead.

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Speaker 2: When she gets some news.

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Speaker 1: Her lawyer has received a letter, a letter that could

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Speaker 1: change everything, A letter from her ex boyfriend Tommy Donovan.

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Speaker 3: Dear mister Ebstein, as you're already acquainted with me, I

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Speaker 3: will get to the point my memory is clear and

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Speaker 3: my intentions now true.

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Speaker 1: On the next episode of The Girlfriend's Geilhouse Lawyer, Kelly's

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Speaker 1: case goes to trial.

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Speaker 3: The trial was awful. They called Judge Lasak mister murder.

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Speaker 3: They got into an altercation with mister Vargas. Hi, I'm

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Speaker 3: the killer. That's the likely motive for what happened. Did

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Speaker 3: I pull that out of the air. No, I've pulled

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Speaker 3: that out of the evidence. They came back with the

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Speaker 3: unanimous verdict. I couldn't believe it.

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