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Speaker 1: sixth in Hong Kong, Monday June fifth in New York

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Speaker 2: The SEC accuses Binance and its CEO of breaking US

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Speaker 1: Apple debuts its mixed reality headset.

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Speaker 2: And China Evergrand's property management unit post a profit for

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Speaker 3: Former Vice president Mike pennsfile's paper to run for president,

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Speaker 3: heavy fighting report in the Ukraine, and the FBI director

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Speaker 3: faces a contempt of Congress hearing. I'm Dan Schwartzman with

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Speaker 4: That's all straight ahead on Bloomberg Daybreak Asia, the business

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Speaker 1: Good morning, I'm Doug Krisner and I'm Brian Curtiz. Here

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Speaker 1: are the stories we're following today. The US Securities and

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Speaker 1: Exchange Commission has accused Binance and it's CEO, Chug Pung

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Speaker 1: Jau of breaking securities rules. The SEC alleged that Jaw

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Speaker 1: and Binance mishandled customer funds and misled investors and regulators,

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Speaker 1: among the allegations. The SEC said that two Binance linked tokens,

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Speaker 1: BnB and busd were securities that the firm improperly offered

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Speaker 1: and sold. The regulator also alleged that Binance and its

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Speaker 1: improperly functioned as an exchange. We heard from Bloomberg's Lydia Beyoud.

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Speaker 5: The US entity of Binance, which has long claimed that

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Speaker 5: The SEC seems to be alleging that that was not

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Speaker 1: Finance called the SEC complaint disappointing, saying it had engaged

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Speaker 1: with the regulator in good faith negotiations to settle the matter.

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Speaker 1: The Crypto Exchange also said that the SEC was misguided

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Speaker 1: in not providing clarity over rules for digital assets, and

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Speaker 1: we did see Crypto's take a hit. Bitcoin traded down

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Speaker 2: US regulators have a plan to fortify the US financial system.

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Speaker 2: Larger US banks may have to boost their capital by

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Speaker 2: an average of twenty percent. We have more from Bloomberg's

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Speaker 6: Bank regulators are considering new rules after several smaller regional

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Speaker 6: lenders collapsed earlier this year. That means a broader swath

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Speaker 6: of banks would face strict requirements for setting money aside

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Speaker 6: under a draft plan designed to bolster the US financial system.

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Speaker 6: Specific increases would depend on a lender's business model, and

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Speaker 6: that represents major financial institutions says the proposal would burden

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Speaker 6: businesses and borrowers and hamper the economy in Washington and

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Speaker 6: Kates Bloomberg Daybreak Asia.

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Speaker 1: Well, we mentioned it was a big day for Apple.

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Speaker 1: Let me say first that Apple stock did trade down

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Speaker 1: some other new products and updates. Bloomberg's Tom Busby has more.

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Speaker 7: After more than seven years of development, Apple finally unveiled

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Speaker 7: the Apple Vision pro a thirty five hundred dollars mixed

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Speaker 7: reality headset. It'll be available next year. It's Apple's first

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Speaker 7: totally new hardware products since the Apple Watch made its

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Speaker 7: debut about eight years ago, seen by some as a

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Speaker 7: The company also announced a new fifteen inch MacBook Air laptop,

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Speaker 7: and the iPhone, but investors didn't seem all that impressed

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Speaker 7: on Monday, sending shares of Apple down three quarters of

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Speaker 7: one percent. Tom busby Bloomberg Daybreak.

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Speaker 2: Asia well as I mentioned a short while ago decision

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Speaker 2: and we have a preview now from Bloomberg's Paul.

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Speaker 8: One third of the thirty economists surveyed by Bloomberg expect

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Speaker 8: the RBA will raise its cash rate to four point

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Speaker 8: and traders pricing in about fifty to fifty odds. Last month,

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Speaker 8: the RBA Board will do whatever is necessary to bring

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Speaker 1: The Australian dollar pretty steady here this morning, sixty six

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Speaker 1: Everground Group's property management unit has posted a profit for

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty Twoobrigs Juan Wong has more from Hong Kong.

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Speaker 9: Evergrand Property Services saw net income of one point four

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Speaker 9: loss in twenty twenty one, according to a delayed earnings report,

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Speaker 9: toward the lifting of a stock trading suspension. The suspension

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Speaker 9: work out the merits of a restructuring of debt. Evergrant

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Speaker 9: the balance in Hong Kong, joined Wang, Bloomberg, Day Brigasia.

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Speaker 1: And Thok some other developments who will be taking a

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Speaker 1: look at this morning. This may disappoint some investors. China

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Speaker 1: is sticking with targeted steps to help the economy instead

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Speaker 1: And it was an interesting quote from jershaud jaw at

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Speaker 1: Credit Agricole saying that Chinese officials are eyeing more quality

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Speaker 1: of growth, not just the pace of the expansion.

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Speaker 2: Where you really get in and you've become much more

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting that you point that out. I was

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Speaker 1: looking at the ISM number there it's just barely and expansion.

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Speaker 2: Bloomberg Economics right now says, when you take everything into consideration,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll put that question to James Abonte's coming up,

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Speaker 1: managing director and chief investment officer at Center Asset Management,

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Speaker 1: Now it's time for global news. Well, let's take a

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Speaker 1: We've got Dan Schwartzman and the Bloomberg Newsroom Dan Hey Brian.

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Speaker 3: Tensions remaining high between the US and China. Two recent

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Speaker 3: incidents highlighting that tension, as a Chinese warship sailed in

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Speaker 3: US National Security Council Coordinator John Kirby talking about the incidents.

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Speaker 10: aggressiveness by the PLA PRC's military in particularly in the

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Speaker 3: Kirby was speaking at the White House. Former Vice President

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Speaker 3: Mike pens has filed the necessary paperwork to run for

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Speaker 3: President President Trump's former VP, joining a field that continues

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Speaker 3: to get more crowded, as former New Jersey Governor Chris

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Speaker 3: run is New Hampshire Governor Chris Sununu. A House committee

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Speaker 3: with four fatalities Bloomberg's Nancy Lions with more.

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Speaker 11: The incident prompted F sixteen fighter jets to scramble to

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Speaker 11: the pilot was unconscious. Adam Gerhart with the National Transportation

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Speaker 11: The plane eventually crashed near Stanton, Virginia, and Gearhart says

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Speaker 3: An ongoing hacking campaign has claimed British Airways, Pharmacy Chain, Boots,

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Speaker 1: I'm Brian Curtis in Hong Kong along with Rashad Salmon.

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Speaker 1: Our guest is James Demonte, managing director and chief investment Officer,

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Speaker 1: Center Asset Management. So a little bit of weak data

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Speaker 1: there today, but the data has been mixed of late.

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Speaker 1: There's been a few things that were stronger than expected.

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Speaker 12: Think if you look and really during the entire cycle,

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Speaker 12: the one year treasure yield has led the FED funds

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Speaker 13: Have shown well, I just thought it was you know,

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Speaker 12: Partly, Yeah, I think that's the other thing to look

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Speaker 1: We don't often talk extensively about China, but we can

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Speaker 12: It's been very frustrating, you know, in our Global Infrastructure

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Speaker 12: And I'm almost of the belief that we have to

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Speaker 13: Well, this is it, isn't it The base effects of

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Speaker 1: Not really.

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Speaker 12: Yeah. That being said, you know, one of the biggest

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