1 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: Climb Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius XM Triumph Channel 2 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 1: one thirty two. The twenty year search for Kristen Smart. 3 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: How's a new twist investigation has led us back here 4 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: where it first began, the campus at cal Poly, and 5 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: that is a place where Kristen was last seen. A 6 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 1: new lead in the longgoing investigation was determined over the 7 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:26,799 Speaker 1: past couple of years after a comprehensive review of the 8 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: case that lead led us to this location. We brought 9 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:35,599 Speaker 1: in specially human remains detection dogs. Were hopeful that this 10 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: will lead to the finding of Kristen or evidence that 11 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:48,200 Speaker 1: will bring closure to the family. This beautiful girl, beautiful girl, 12 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 1: Kristen Smart, a student at cal Polly. One night, she 13 00:00:53,200 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: attends a birthday party. She's never seen again. What happened? 14 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for 15 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: being with us. What happened to Kristen Smart? With me now? 16 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 1: Her family Denise and stand Smart. Also with me, Mark 17 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: Class founder of Class Kids, Victims advocate lifelong mission. Also 18 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:27,759 Speaker 1: with me Crime Stories investigative reporter Larry may Her Everyone, 19 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. I want to start 20 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:35,199 Speaker 1: with Kristen's parents, Denise and stand. You know what, even 21 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 1: now after so many many years, when people just suddenly 22 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: ask me about my fiance's murder, it's like a bucket 23 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: of cold water in the face. I can be having 24 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: a perfectly fine day, then somebody brings it up, and 25 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I'm right back where I started 26 00:01:55,880 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: to Denise Smart and stand. I want to thank you 27 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: for reliving this again in our search for justice. Denise, 28 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: what do you recall that day? And again I thank 29 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: you Larry Mark and Joe Scott Morgan joining us. Denise, 30 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: what do you recall of that day? Obviously we didn't 31 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: know the first day, we didn't know the second day. 32 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: We didn't know the third day because cal Poly did 33 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: not take a request from her friends to look for her. 34 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: So by the time Monday evening came around, which was 35 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 1: she disappeared Friday night, we didn't hear anything till Monday 36 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: evening and we got a call from the campus if 37 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 1: we knew where she was. And you know, I think 38 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,679 Speaker 1: every parent will tell you you have a gut reaction 39 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 1: when you know something's not right and someone calling you 40 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:54,519 Speaker 1: out of the blue and saying do you know where 41 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: your daughter is? And she's two hundred miles away. UM 42 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: stumps again, just going back to there. And I think 43 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: it says you referenced that it comes back. It just 44 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: always comes back. And whenever you hear about a missing child, UM, 45 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: you relive it for that that family as well. When 46 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: you say you relive it when you hear about a 47 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: missing child or a missing teane, what do you mean 48 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: by relive it, Well, that probably that first day, that 49 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: first week, it just comes back into your psyche. You 50 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: you are thinking again about how this family is having 51 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: to cope with something that is a nightmare beyond anyone's comprehension. 52 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: And you know, as we move forward through twenty one years, UM, 53 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: it's a very long and lonely road to have such 54 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: a long unknown to not know where your child is. Unfortunately, 55 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: there are way too many families who lose their children 56 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: to illness, their accidents. And I don't want to say 57 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: that there's resolution there, but when you are having to 58 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: fight for justice and deal with so much frustration highs 59 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: and lows anxiety. Um. Even though people friends and family 60 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: may feel you need to move on, when you don't 61 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: know where your child is, you really cannot move on. 62 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:21,039 Speaker 1: In addition to Denise Smart, Kristin's mother with us is 63 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: stand smart, her father stand back to May. That night, 64 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: you're absolutely beautiful and brilliant daughter, Kristen had gone to 65 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: a party I get together. She was a student there 66 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: at cal Poly, and two of her friends, Cheryl Anderson 67 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 1: and Tim Davis, we're also leaving the party, and they 68 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: walked Kristen back to her dorm that night. Right, what 69 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: do you recall the first you heard Kristen was missing? 70 00:04:56,400 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: What happened? Well, if you're asking me, initially the campus 71 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: police thought our daughter had gone camping with friends, and 72 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 1: this is why she had not returned to campus, that 73 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 1: she had overstayed, you know, the vacation time, and so 74 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:16,679 Speaker 1: initially I was a little upset, and although after a week, 75 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,840 Speaker 1: you know, it appeared that something horrible had happened, and 76 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 1: so I had gone down there to take a look 77 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:27,359 Speaker 1: and meet with the campus police. And the campus police 78 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 1: were very ill equipped to deal with a missing person. 79 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: I think probably they would be able to handle uh 80 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 1: students that had been drinking, or if there had been 81 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: a party or a car park where it shouldn't be. 82 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: They had no idea what to do for an investigation 83 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: into a missing person, and so I was rather disappointed, 84 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: and they were real quick to point out that it 85 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: was our daughter who had made an error, had got 86 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: to a party like many students going to college and 87 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: away from home, and that she gotten into dry and disappeared, 88 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: and so they left really to blame with you know, 89 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 1: with us, with our daughter, and that was very disappointing anyway. 90 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: After that, and after looking for and she wasn't appearing, 91 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 1: and they had found her purse and her belongings in 92 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 1: the room. She had not taken those things with her. 93 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: It was real apparent that something had happened to her. 94 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: So it's a nightmare. Like my wife had mentioned, I 95 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,039 Speaker 1: spent a lot of weeks down there, in fact the 96 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: whole summer looking for my daughter. And I think it 97 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: could have been a tour director for Saint Louis Bisbo 98 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: County and just you know, a lot of heartache from it. 99 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: And is uh my wife had mentioned. When we hear 100 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: about other people who have lost a child and they're 101 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: looking for their child, are our hearts go out to them? 102 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: You know, it's amazing Mark class joining the victims right 103 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 1: to advocate. Mark, you lost your daughter, Polly and you've 104 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: devoted your life to call and fighting finding missing people 105 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 1: ever since. You know what, um Just today today I 106 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: dropped the children off. You know, I always have Karen 107 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: Hormon in the back of my mind, and so I'm 108 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: probably the only person in carpool that will not move 109 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: with you know, fifty cars behind me until I see 110 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: them walk in the door. I don't just drop him 111 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: at the curb. I wait and I sit there, and 112 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: sometimes when the the Harry eyeballs get to be too much, 113 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: I move forward. And then I stopped to stop sign 114 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: because I have my rear view mirror perfectly fixed so 115 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: I can look back and see them walk in the door. Okay. 116 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: Then just today I can't, you know, drive the McDonald's, 117 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: get some coffee, okay, chill, chill, go to work. No, 118 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: I circle back and I go and I spy and 119 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: make sure that they're okay. It's about forty minutes later. 120 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: I know in my head, Mark, that's not normal. I 121 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: know this as I'm doing it, as I'm driving, clutching 122 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: my coffee. I know it's crazy. I know it's not 123 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: normal that I can't help it. Mark, Well, you know 124 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: you're you're overly cautious. Nathey, of course they're going to 125 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: be overly cautious. I mean neither. We've been covering these 126 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: kinds of cases time and time and time again. But 127 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: as happened so often, this is just another typical case 128 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: of piling insult upon injury. They're blaming Kristen for her 129 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: own disappearance. It's absolutely mind boggling. Stan Stan says that 130 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:41,439 Speaker 1: they're they're unequipped to deal with a missing person, won't 131 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: They're unequipped to deal with basic human emotions when they 132 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: tell these people that they're very responsible. Daughter is missing 133 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: because she made a mistake and did what every other 134 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: college freshman and America has done since time immemorial, which 135 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: is going to a party. So it started off on 136 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 1: a very very bad footing and unfortunately only got worse 137 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: from there. You know, Mark Class, I want you to 138 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: um tell something to the smarts which they may have 139 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: heard you say in the past many times. One thing 140 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: that drives me crazy is when young girls say twains 141 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: like um, eleven to thirteen or then thirteen to fifteen 142 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: quote air quote, go missing. The first thing cops say 143 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: is and look, I'm on the cops side. I am 144 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: the system I get it. But still when cops say, oh, 145 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 1: they're runaway, you lose so much time. Yes, Like in 146 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: this case, Smart class, when Polly first went missing, what 147 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: they quote the cops do when Polly went missing, Well, 148 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: the first thing that they did was they put out 149 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 1: an all points bulletin UM, and they said that the 150 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: information wasn't for press release. But naphew, let me tell 151 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: you something. I never met Kristian, but I know Denisian. 152 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: I know christian sister Lindsay, and Lindsay is a formidable 153 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: world class athlete. And if her sister was anything like 154 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: Lindsay is, Um, she's in a position to be able 155 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: to hopefully take care of herself in a difficult situation. 156 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 1: So again, to to turn this thing around and blame 157 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: it on on the young woman who's missing, UM just 158 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 1: just pushes the bounds of credibility to Denny Smart. Kristen's mother. 159 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 1: I just heard stand your husband, christ AND's dad say 160 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: that he goes there and he travels and searches and 161 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 1: digs and pushes the whole summer, the whole for months 162 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: there in St. Louis Obispo looking for Kristen. How in 163 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: the past before she went missing that day. How often 164 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 1: would you typically have spoken to her? Well, it was 165 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 1: pre sales one days, so we had a standard Sunday 166 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: night call, so she would call every Sunday night. And 167 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: when she didn't call on Memorial Day weekend Sunday, we 168 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: weren't alarmed because it was a long weekend and she 169 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: had left us a message on Friday night and she 170 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: had missed us, and we while we were out and 171 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 1: she said, I've got good news. I've got good news. 172 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:18,079 Speaker 1: I can't wait to talk to you, So we weren't 173 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: alarmed on that Sunday night, and of course of the 174 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: next call we got was from you know, cal Poly 175 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: Security Police, when her roommate had been gone for the 176 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: weekend came home and was alarmed and had a note 177 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:33,439 Speaker 1: from some of her other friends. Do you know where 178 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: Kristen is and her person her belongings were on the bed, 179 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:38,959 Speaker 1: just where her roommate had seen them when she had left. 180 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:43,839 Speaker 1: So it's like Stan said, and Mark was referencing, every 181 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: newspaper article that came out in that first six months 182 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: was about this drunk girl, and it just it just 183 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 1: made us live it. It has nothing to do with 184 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: whether you've got shorts on with you've got long hair, 185 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 1: short hair. It doesn't matter. When matters is this is 186 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 1: a life, and we have to value the life and 187 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: not point a finger and blame blame victims. And as 188 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: we reference, you know, cal Poly was certainly ill equipped 189 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 1: and inexperienced in dealing with this. And you know there 190 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: was there's any passed the Christian Smart Campus Safety Act, 191 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 1: which requires California campuses to have a local agreement with 192 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: law enforcement if they are even beginning to look at 193 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: a violent crime on campus. So everyone said, well, doesn't 194 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: that make you feel better? Well, yes, but it's a 195 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: little late for Kristen and they when I got on 196 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: the phone two days after I've heard about this, I 197 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 1: called the FBI. Was connected to a sexual assault test 198 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 1: force in Los Angeles. The director at the time was 199 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 1: Ron Iden. He was amazing. He said he would call, 200 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: they would send resources to cal Polly and guess what, 201 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: cal Polly has jurisdiction And they turned them down. No, no, 202 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: they turned them down. Joseph Scott Morrigan, death scene investigator. 203 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: What what it's always campus police? Have you noticed that 204 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: campus police say, Oh she just had too much to drink, 205 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: Oh she's out on a camping trip. The wise on 206 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: her I D and everything else laying on her bed. 207 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 1: She clearly made it home from the party that night. 208 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:23,319 Speaker 1: Two friends walked her back enter Paul Flora as a 209 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 1: third that joined them. But her stuff's laying on her bed. 210 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 1: We know she hasn't gone on a camping trip and 211 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: left all of her I D and everything else there. 212 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: Why would campus police so stupidly refuse FBI help. Joe Scott, 213 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: I have no idea, Nancy, and speaking as a current 214 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: university professor, and uh, it's it's it's mind boggling that 215 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: they would do this. Uh. And what Mrs Smart had 216 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: said just a moment ago really kind of really pricked 217 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 1: my ears for a second. She made reference to the 218 00:13:55,840 --> 00:14:02,199 Speaker 1: fact that, uh that uh, there was a missing drunk girl. 219 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: What that narrative had to come from somewhere, And that narrative, 220 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: in my opinion, started with security slash police. And there's 221 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 1: this huge disconnect in investigations. 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Keyword grace called pound 283 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: to fifty and say grace. Those early errors lead to 284 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: irreputable of evidence that can never be reconstructed. I just 285 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: got Morrigan Mark class Larry may her stand in any 286 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 1: smart with me to Mark Class, world champion victims rights advocate, 287 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: when Denise accurately says so much evidence was lost in 288 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: this first seventy two hours, for instance, what Mark, what 289 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 1: is she talking about? Well, first of all, Nancy, to 290 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 1: give it a little context. Everybody agrees that when a 291 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: child disappears, that time is of the and you're sitting 292 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 1: there as a parent, clicking off those minutes, clicking off 293 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 1: those seconds as police seemingly fumble their way through the 294 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 1: mountain of evidence that may or may not be there. 295 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 1: You would ask me earlier about about about what was 296 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 1: one of the first things the police did when Pauli disappeared. 297 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: And one of the first things they did is they 298 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:56,160 Speaker 1: said that Paully must have run away with her boyfriend 299 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:59,439 Speaker 1: and that the entire incident was staged. Imagine that at 300 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: twelve year girl running away with her old girl. You 301 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 1: know absolutely that was a theory that was put forth 302 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: by by a fame FBI profiler. So you're sitting there 303 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 1: watching these minutes take away twenty four hours, forty eight hours, 304 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: seventy two hours, and they tell you if your child 305 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:20,919 Speaker 1: has been kidnapped and they're going to be murdered and 306 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: they're not recovered within the first seventy two hours of 307 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 1: them are going to be dead. And where does that 308 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: leave you as a parent. It leaves you in fear, 309 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,880 Speaker 1: It leaves you frustrated, and it leaves you grasping at 310 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: straws and hoping against hope itself. And couldn't agreemore when 311 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: we talk about missing evidence, there is a very important 312 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: player in this scenario that I want to get to. 313 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: That night, when Kristen's friends or two college friends, they 314 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 1: were in classes there at cal Poly with her. They 315 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: walk her Cheryl Anderson Tim Davis both were leaving the 316 00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:01,199 Speaker 1: party as well, and they walk her to her nearby 317 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:05,199 Speaker 1: dormitory where she was living. At that juncture, another student 318 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 1: comes up, Paul Flora's. He joins the group and offers 319 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: to help. They all walk back. They all get Kristen 320 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: to her room safely. Tim Davis departs the group first, 321 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 1: he lived off campus and he had driven to the party. 322 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: Cheryl Anderson was the second to leave. She tells Paul 323 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 1: he could walk Kristen back to her dorm since he 324 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:30,120 Speaker 1: lived closer there. Right there at the dormitory, they can 325 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: see it, and Flora says he walks Smart as far 326 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 1: as his dormitory, Santa Lucia Hall, and that she can 327 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 1: is fine, and she walks back to Moor Hall dorm, 328 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 1: her dorm, all by herself. Now, that is not what 329 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: Cheryl and Tim intended. They were all going to walk 330 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: all the way back. What happens? Stand Smart, How is 331 00:20:54,359 --> 00:21:00,200 Speaker 1: it that suddenly it's Paul Flores there alone with Kristen. Well, 332 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: that's the big question. I really can't respond to that. 333 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 1: You know, at up being the last person seeing her alive. 334 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: More than likely she was under the influence from alcohol 335 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 1: or drugs given her taken at the party, and I 336 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 1: imagine he steered her over towards his dorm. His roommate 337 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: wasn't there, as roommate was gone for the weekend, and 338 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 1: I suspect that our daughter ended up in his room. 339 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: There was a follow up. I'm sure you're going to 340 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 1: mention with some dogs that ended up going to his 341 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 1: room of all the rooms on the campus, and that 342 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: someone had died there is what they could determine. But 343 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 1: that was the last we had heard of our daughter, 344 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,640 Speaker 1: and that was Wait a minute, wait a minute, could 345 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 1: you back that Upstand? What did you say about evidence 346 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: suggesting someone had died there, right, they when there was 347 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 1: a search of the campus, they used independent right cadaver 348 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: dogs at different time to go by, and they zeroed 349 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,640 Speaker 1: in on his room and the bed in his room 350 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: and the waste basket, and all they could determine was 351 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: somebody had died in that room. They didn't know who 352 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:16,159 Speaker 1: was our daughter or someone else, but that was the 353 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: evidence that they had and at the time, and still 354 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 1: they have not been able to determine what chemicals you know, 355 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:28,479 Speaker 1: when a body, when a person dies a leave as 356 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: samp I guess you would say that a dog can determine, 357 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:35,919 Speaker 1: but a human can't. And that's what you know. The 358 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: dog handlers indicated, so it looks like someone died in 359 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: Paul for his dormitory room. To Joseph Scott Morgan joining 360 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 1: us explain to our listeners how that would have happened. 361 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: And a question though, stand smart when the cold ever 362 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 1: brought dogs brought into the ring during we always probably 363 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 1: was later that summer, I was going to say, three 364 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: months after she disappeared. So three months later they get 365 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,679 Speaker 1: evidence like that that may or may not ever be 366 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 1: brought into a courtroom, but it's it's three months later, 367 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:14,640 Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, how does that help us find Kristen? Well, 368 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: it gives us an indication that based upon the there's 369 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,160 Speaker 1: there's two things here, all right, just so that we understand, 370 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:26,880 Speaker 1: we have what's referred to as as qualitative versus quantitative, okay, 371 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: And qualitative means that these dogs can go in and 372 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: they can sense they can sense a decompositional essence in 373 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: the air, okay, and that they picked up on this, 374 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: and it indicates us that if something took place in 375 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 1: that room involving human remains, a human person, that that 376 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,679 Speaker 1: that essence that was left behind was not cleaned up, 377 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: that this decomposition was still going on, even at the 378 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: level of like blood, And that's what this would lead 379 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 1: me to believe, and that it wasn't sufficiently cleaned in 380 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: this area. And so you had all of this period 381 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: of time until the dogs got there, I mean, going 382 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,439 Speaker 1: back to Memorial Day you're talking about at the end 383 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 1: of the summer. They would really hit on this very hard. 384 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 1: Now where it goes from there, Lord only knows, but yeah, 385 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: it's a strong indicator. It could point us in certain directions. 386 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 1: But yeah, you're right, Nancy, can't this is not something 387 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,919 Speaker 1: that you'll see pop up in court. So just to 388 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: make a comment if I could. On top of that, 389 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: then the university cleaned the room and they put students 390 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: back in the room for the oncoming term and the fall, 391 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: which is hard for me to believe that no one 392 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 1: went in there and looked for forensic evidence and did 393 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,880 Speaker 1: not go through the room before they cleaned it put 394 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: students in it again to use it. Yeah, we asked 395 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,920 Speaker 1: if a forensic team had been brought into the room, 396 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 1: and they point blank told us they didn't need it. 397 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: They were just looking for evidence that Paul may have 398 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: left behind. So there were no hair fibers had to 399 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 1: be found our fingerprints because they never brought a forensic team. 400 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 1: Oh what a Travis look I get. I get really 401 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 1: tired of people, uh in the present going back to 402 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: the past and saying, well, we didn't know what to 403 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 1: do back then. The technology has now surpassed the people 404 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,400 Speaker 1: that we were back then. That's a load of garbage. 405 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: There is a way, even way back then that we 406 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: correctly process scenes. And this goes back to what we 407 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 1: initially talked about with the disconnect between the local police, 408 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:30,640 Speaker 1: the FBI, and and this cow Poly group and this, 409 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: this does irreparable harm to this case. And I will 410 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 1: not abide anybody making excuses in the fenze. Well, you're right, 411 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: because I can recall to Mark class. When I first 412 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 1: started prosecuting, which was back in the late eighties, we 413 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,680 Speaker 1: had fingerprint we had hair comparison. We couldn't do a 414 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,199 Speaker 1: DNA test for a couple of more years, but you 415 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 1: could get hair similarities. You could determine um, absolutely fingerprints. 416 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 1: You could get fibers. I mean, fibers have been known 417 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:04,880 Speaker 1: since the Wayne Williams child serial killing case. Fibers can 418 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: prove a case. All that was in existence in the 419 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 1: late eighties. Well, it was in existence, yeah, and simple 420 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 1: things like when he was first confronted by cow Poly police, Um, 421 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: he had black eye bruises, scrapes on his knees. Did 422 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,719 Speaker 1: they take a photograph? No, they didn't take a photograph. 423 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:27,919 Speaker 1: And the only reason we know about those is he 424 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: turned himself in over the weekend for an outstanding d 425 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: u I and they happened to have taken his pictures 426 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,719 Speaker 1: and in the picture he was holding up his numbers, 427 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: so you can see the scrapes and bruises on his 428 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,880 Speaker 1: hands and the black eye that he has. But yeah, 429 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 1: cal Poly police did did none of that. So it's 430 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:49,880 Speaker 1: you know, it's been frustrating from the get go with 431 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 1: me is Larry Mayher Crime Stories investigative reporter. Let me 432 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: understand this, Larry. For those of you just joining us, 433 00:26:55,760 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 1: we're talking about a missing girl, Kristen Smart be beautiful, 434 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 1: brilliant athletic classes are finishing for a long holiday weekend, 435 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 1: and Kristen calls her parents that Friday. May leaves the 436 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,439 Speaker 1: message saying she and her friends are going to a 437 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 1: party at eight pm that night, and after her parents 438 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 1: to give her a call before she leaves, they didn't connect. 439 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 1: She did go to the party and she had a 440 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:26,919 Speaker 1: couple of drinks. Police say that two friends were walking 441 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 1: her back to her dorm. You were hall, but enter 442 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: a freshman, Paul Flories, who agrees to walk her the 443 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 1: rest of the way. He's the last person scene with 444 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,400 Speaker 1: Kristen Smart. Am I'm missing something, Larry Mayher, As far 445 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 1: as I know, no. At that point, investigators say Paul 446 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: Flora's the nineteen year old freshman became a person of 447 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 1: interest in this case, and he has been a person 448 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: of interest ever since. They first talked to him. According 449 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 1: to the Sheriff's office. Now this is different from campus police. 450 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 1: The sheriff's office had a somewhat different, perhaps parallel investigation 451 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: under way. But the investigators of the Sheriff's office identified 452 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 1: Paul Flores as their person of interest right away. He 453 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: told them that he saw Christian outside her dorm, helped 454 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: her back into the dorm, and then he stopped talking. 455 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 1: Since then to investigators and in a court deposition, he 456 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: has taken the Fifth Amendment. You know what, Larry Mayher, 457 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: You're right. And as a matter of fact, let's take 458 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,959 Speaker 1: a listen to Paul Flores, where did you attend high school? 459 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,439 Speaker 1: On the advice of my attorney, I feased to answer 460 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 1: that question based on the Fifth Amendment a United States Constitution? 461 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: What is the name of your father? On the advice 462 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: of my attorney, I feeds answer that question based on 463 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: the Fifth Amendment of the United States Constitution? What is 464 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 1: your mother's name? On the advice of my attorney, I 465 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 1: have pease answer that question based on the Fifth Amendment 466 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 1: a United States Constitution. There you hear a person of interest. 467 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: Paul Flores heatedly taking the Fifth Amendment, even to the 468 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: point he won't even say who his mom and dad are. 469 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 1: He's taking the Fifth Amendment on that on the right 470 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: to remain silent, is as if his parents names could 471 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: somehow incriminate him. In Christen Smart's disappearance, all you business 472 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 1: owners out there know how important it is. You've got 473 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: to keep going forward no matter what. But so often 474 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 1: issues come up to take your focus away from growing 475 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: your business, which is your number one goal. 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Something that 494 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: Larry Mayhert said was actually dead on and that is 495 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: the sheriff's parallel investigation. However, I don't know when that 496 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:55,959 Speaker 1: parallel investigation kicked in because of the campus security police delay, 497 00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 1: so many days had passed. UM. I want to go 498 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 1: to Denise and stand smart. Denise, you were talking about searches, 499 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 1: searches of structures. Explain well as you referenced before count 500 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: Poly police refused to let in outside help and apparently 501 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 1: the d a's office was working on the side and 502 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 1: working on it and Um, but it was took thirty 503 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 1: days before the jurisdiction was released. We had a meeting 504 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 1: with local legislators and her case was released officially to 505 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 1: the Sheriff's department and there was an immediate search. As 506 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 1: for when we talked about the cadaver dogs that hit 507 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 1: on his room. But then after that his family had 508 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 1: two homes in a nearby town of a royal Grande, 509 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 1: and based on the cadaver dogs um alerting on his room, 510 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 1: a search warrant was issued for his father's house and 511 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: a Royal Grande. And once again, and this is the 512 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 1: Sheriff's department, these are the people that you want to trust. 513 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: They did a search at the house, but they didn't 514 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 1: bring a forensic team, they didn't bring the dogs. They 515 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 1: just did a walk through the house and found newspaper 516 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 1: articles about Kristen under both the father's and the mother's bed, 517 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 1: found a police baton, and they left and they were done. 518 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: And this property probably is at least half an acre. 519 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: You could have a cemetery in the backyard. And so 520 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: we have asked repeatedly, through multiple sheriffs and multiple investigators, 521 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 1: to go back to the house and to look again 522 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 1: and to actually do a search. So it's just unreal 523 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 1: to us that they didn't even bring a forensic team. 524 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: And when we asked why, they were very straightforward with 525 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 1: us and they said they were looking for her keys 526 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 1: because they found in criminal cases of violence against women 527 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 1: that the perpetrator likes to hold on to an item. 528 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 1: So they didn't need a forensic team because they were 529 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 1: just looking for her keys. And on the same lines, 530 00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: they had a search warrant. Well, they didn't have a 531 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 1: search war, but maybe they did. They went to the 532 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 1: mother's house, which was about well, wait a minute, are 533 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 1: there were headlines lots of headlines recently um trumpeting for instance, 534 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 1: is Kristen Smart buried in this backyard? Neighbors and a 535 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: wonder dog say, yes, what are they talking about? Stand? Well, 536 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 1: the information that we had is that there's a possibility 537 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 1: that our daughter could be in the backyard of the 538 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 1: residents where the mother resides and Royal Grande and uh, 539 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 1: there was a search with some ground penetrating radar on 540 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 1: some of the property, but not all the property, and 541 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:50,719 Speaker 1: there's interest Afterwards, another person from my wife could give 542 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:54,480 Speaker 1: you better details on it. Person from the university came 543 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 1: with another dog and felt that the residue or the 544 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,719 Speaker 1: body was still in the yard, that they hadn't been 545 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 1: searched completely. And so that's the big question whether or 546 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 1: not there could be a search for it. To go 547 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 1: back in and look further in the yard for our 548 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 1: daughter's body. Let me understand about an ex FBI agent 549 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 1: suggests that Kristen's remains maybe under a cement slab poured 550 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 1: by the last man to see her alive. Denise right, Well, 551 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 1: there are a couple of things I like to insert here, 552 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,720 Speaker 1: and one is that, yes, the FBI agent went forward 553 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:41,400 Speaker 1: and he wrote up um less subpoena to go back 554 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 1: to the house. And apparently they took a vote in 555 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,279 Speaker 1: the sheriff's department and they opted not to follow that lead. 556 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,440 Speaker 1: They voted not to go back to digging the yard. Now, 557 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 1: subsequent to that, Paul Flores's mother and her boyfriend filed 558 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 1: a civil lawsuit against my husband and I for their 559 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,439 Speaker 1: emotional distress. So I can't begin to tell you how 560 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,359 Speaker 1: stressful that was and unbelievable. But in the course of that, 561 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:13,400 Speaker 1: the mother allowed an FBI person and others to go 562 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,799 Speaker 1: in and selected areas in the backyard, and they did 563 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 1: do a dig in the areas that the mother approved 564 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 1: that they could go to. And the dogs that my 565 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 1: husband was referencing from Dr Vast from the University of Tennessee, 566 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 1: and he looks for again the center of the aroma 567 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 1: in in the land that possibly leads to a human 568 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 1: remain in the yard, and he picked up the scent 569 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:46,759 Speaker 1: by going somewhere around the perimeter of the yard. So 570 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I don't know where she is. 571 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 1: I just know that we as a family want to 572 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,239 Speaker 1: feel at the end of the day, whether if we 573 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:59,319 Speaker 1: don't find her, that everything possible was done that could 574 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 1: be done. And when these things are only halfway done, 575 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:07,840 Speaker 1: there's there's no piece to Mark class joining me. Mark 576 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 1: all the way back to the room, room number one, 577 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 1: that dorm room. More than one dog was brought in 578 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:22,280 Speaker 1: to St. Lucia Hall. Each dog alerted on a corner 579 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 1: of a bad mattress located on the left side of 580 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: the room that was Floriss Paul Flores's bed. Every dog 581 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 1: did the same thing. Now we know that a cement 582 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 1: slab was poured by Paul Flores on his mom's property. 583 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,719 Speaker 1: What will it take Mark to get a warrant to 584 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 1: look under that. I believe Nancy, that before victims ever 585 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:57,919 Speaker 1: have equity in our justice system at any level, we 586 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 1: need a constitutional amendment for victims rights in the United 587 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 1: States Constitution, because the word victim doesn't exist in the Constitution. 588 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:11,359 Speaker 1: Yet at least fourteen separate rights exist for individuals who 589 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:16,040 Speaker 1: have been accused of committing crimes in the Constitution. So 590 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 1: at the very basic level, I think we need that, 591 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,360 Speaker 1: but I we we can't lose sight of the incredible 592 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 1: irony that exists in this case. The data she disappeared 593 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,879 Speaker 1: was designated by Ronald Reagan as National Missing Children's Date, 594 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,799 Speaker 1: and that was done. Is A is A is a 595 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,440 Speaker 1: way of bringing attention to the plight of missing children 596 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:43,360 Speaker 1: and hopefully prompting law enforcement agencies to be trained in 597 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:48,400 Speaker 1: the investigation missing children. But we can see from this case, 598 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,600 Speaker 1: from police's case, from so many other cases, that that 599 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:57,239 Speaker 1: symbolism fell far short of its intended goal. Hopefully, as 600 00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,680 Speaker 1: we move forward, law enforcement agencies will and I think 601 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:05,000 Speaker 1: they have taken these kinds of situations more seriously so 602 00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:09,319 Speaker 1: that the next time a young girl finds yourself in 603 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,200 Speaker 1: Christian situation, it will be investigated correctly and it will 604 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 1: be solved in the family will not be left in 605 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 1: agony hanging there for more than two decades. All this 606 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,520 Speaker 1: time just got more. Gonna look back at the evidence, 607 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:27,160 Speaker 1: and there we've even got Paul Flora's lying because he 608 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,839 Speaker 1: claimed the black eye and you can see it in 609 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 1: his mug shot. For the d U I was caused 610 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,640 Speaker 1: by taking an elbow to the face during the game 611 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,439 Speaker 1: of pickup basketball with his college buddy Jeremy Moon, four 612 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 1: days earlier. That's in the sheriff the Schaefer's report that 613 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,400 Speaker 1: I read it's quoting and Schaffer was the FBI agent 614 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:49,879 Speaker 1: quoting investigators. But prosecutor's report. They reach the friend, Jeremy Moon, 615 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,320 Speaker 1: and he didn't agree with that. So they go back 616 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:57,880 Speaker 1: to Flora's and he says, okay, it's confirmed that he 617 00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,960 Speaker 1: already had the black eye at the time he showed 618 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,760 Speaker 1: up to play basketball. So the ask force. He goes, well, 619 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:05,920 Speaker 1: I don't know how I got a black high and 620 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,160 Speaker 1: they go, well, why did you lie about it? And 621 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,200 Speaker 1: he says, well, I thought it would sound stupid to 622 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,640 Speaker 1: say I bumped it on the steering wheel of my truck. 623 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,560 Speaker 1: I mean, he's caught in one lie after the next. 624 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,960 Speaker 1: What more will it take Joe Scott Morgan to reopen 625 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,759 Speaker 1: this and get a warrant for that cement slab and more. Yeah, 626 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:28,200 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. What is gonna eventually push this 627 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 1: over the top is is the fact, uh that Christmas 628 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:36,520 Speaker 1: parents continue to push on this thing. It just escapes me. 629 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,160 Speaker 1: How much more information do you need? How much more 630 00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,840 Speaker 1: information do you need in order to generate a warrant? 631 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:49,120 Speaker 1: Uh relative to probable cause? Because the idea is stacking 632 00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,759 Speaker 1: up all the time. And and let's keep in mind, 633 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,319 Speaker 1: this is stacking up in spite, in spite of what 634 00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,560 Speaker 1: the police have not done in this particular case, or 635 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,640 Speaker 1: where they just seem to let it pass away. This 636 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,440 Speaker 1: thing is absolutely unexplainable. Where they get to pick and 637 00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,520 Speaker 1: choose in the backyard where they're going to search. That's 638 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:12,480 Speaker 1: that's that's It's like the inmates are running the asylum here. 639 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,600 Speaker 1: That that is that runs completely contrary to everything that 640 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:20,840 Speaker 1: you practice in in in criminal investigations. You're not dictated 641 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,040 Speaker 1: as to where you will and will not go relative 642 00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,279 Speaker 1: to something like this. You write the warrant and you 643 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,680 Speaker 1: go and you do it. But for whatever reason, they 644 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,840 Speaker 1: have chosen not to pursue this like it should be pursued. 645 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:36,719 Speaker 1: To Larry Mayher Crime Stories, contributing investigative reporter, Larry, where 646 00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:40,080 Speaker 1: does the case stand now? What about Flora's? Where is he? 647 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,880 Speaker 1: As far as I know, Flora's is living his life. 648 00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,840 Speaker 1: He is still can identified as a person of interest 649 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:50,520 Speaker 1: by sad Luis Simpispo County Investigators. UH. The county shaff 650 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:56,480 Speaker 1: ordered an excavation on the cow campus in and saying 651 00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:00,400 Speaker 1: that what was found there is being reviewed and leads 652 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,640 Speaker 1: are being followed. Form was recovered Now we do know 653 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,960 Speaker 1: that some human remains were recovered from that dig at 654 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:11,080 Speaker 1: cal Poly, but those remains so far have not been identified. UH. 655 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:15,560 Speaker 1: The FBI says it is still actively involved in this investigation, 656 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,759 Speaker 1: but it declines to elaborate on what the FI is 657 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:22,360 Speaker 1: doing in this investigation. And that's where pretty much it 658 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,520 Speaker 1: stands at this point. The most recent statement from the 659 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,480 Speaker 1: from the sheriff Ian Parkinson is that the leads are 660 00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:33,920 Speaker 1: being actively reviewed and that there is still information they 661 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,440 Speaker 1: are recovering from the results of that excavation on the 662 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:41,640 Speaker 1: Cow Polly campus in sixteen denyse Smart deep believe those 663 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,840 Speaker 1: are Christians remains. I don't know if their Christians remains, 664 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,520 Speaker 1: but what I do know is that until you do 665 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:51,919 Speaker 1: the job, you won't have an answer. And it could 666 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,120 Speaker 1: be that Kristen was in the yard is no longer 667 00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,160 Speaker 1: in the yard. She may have been moved to the parents, 668 00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,360 Speaker 1: to the father's yard. But if you bring in the 669 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,359 Speaker 1: correct team. They can analyze and they can tell you 670 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,080 Speaker 1: if she was or she wasn't there. That's not something 671 00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,840 Speaker 1: I can do, but I believe she's not far away. 672 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:12,359 Speaker 1: The parents are not revered in the community, yet they 673 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,640 Speaker 1: hold two houses. They could easily move down the road 674 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,560 Speaker 1: and be anonymous citizens, but they have chosen to stay 675 00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:24,319 Speaker 1: and protect these two homes. And normal people don't do that. 676 00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:28,360 Speaker 1: And there's a billboard with Christian's picture on it that 677 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:32,360 Speaker 1: they have to pass every single day to go to 678 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:36,360 Speaker 1: their houses. So what is she in one of those yards? 679 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,319 Speaker 1: I would say the chances are yes. What we know 680 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,400 Speaker 1: is that this guy Flora's. Before he became a person 681 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,640 Speaker 1: of interest in Christmas disappearance, he had been accused of 682 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:51,880 Speaker 1: stalking another girl on campus. According to St. Louis Obispo 683 00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:57,239 Speaker 1: police report, he showed up drunk around Christmas trying to 684 00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:03,000 Speaker 1: break into another cow poly coeds apartment, climbing up her balcony, 685 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,120 Speaker 1: and she suspects he was trying to break in on 686 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:11,200 Speaker 1: her apartment. Okay. The report goes on to state he 687 00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,640 Speaker 1: is believed to have made countless anonymous phone calls for 688 00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:18,759 Speaker 1: over six weeks to the girl and then approaches her 689 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:23,240 Speaker 1: at parties and won't leave her alone. Not long ago, 690 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,480 Speaker 1: Flora spotted in San Pedro, California. He stepped out of 691 00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,839 Speaker 1: a home, looked around to each side to see if 692 00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,160 Speaker 1: anybody was coming. He opened the door to a white 693 00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:38,520 Speaker 1: Chevy parked on the street. He starts the engine and 694 00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:42,719 Speaker 1: then breaked. When a Daily Beast reporter approached him. The 695 00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,000 Speaker 1: reporter asked her, you Paul Florence, the last person to 696 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:49,640 Speaker 1: see Kristin alive? And he played dumb, trying to only 697 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:54,360 Speaker 1: confirm that that Paul Floris lived at the address, saying quote, oh, 698 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:58,000 Speaker 1: he does live there. Finally, he was pressed by the 699 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:03,239 Speaker 1: Beast reporter, are you you Flora's and he goes, oh yeah. 700 00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,200 Speaker 1: He starts rolling up the car window put it in reverse. 701 00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:11,560 Speaker 1: Then they said do you remember Kristen Smart? And he goes, 702 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:16,600 Speaker 1: uh right, yeah, have a good day. That's it. But 703 00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:21,399 Speaker 1: you know what, it's not over yet. It's not over yet. 704 00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,640 Speaker 1: You can't you can't live under a dark cloud forever. 705 00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:29,000 Speaker 1: You have to look back and at the joy and 706 00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:32,640 Speaker 1: the life that your child had, Denise and stand smart 707 00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:36,240 Speaker 1: with me. Kristen's parents, what can you tell me about 708 00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,439 Speaker 1: a scholarship? Well as we talked about twenty one years 709 00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,640 Speaker 1: is a very long time to focus and live under 710 00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:46,839 Speaker 1: the dark cloud of your child's disappearance. So I think 711 00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:48,960 Speaker 1: we all came to the conclusion that it was time 712 00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,319 Speaker 1: to lift that cloud and focus on her life. She 713 00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:56,759 Speaker 1: was a young woman with big dreams. She believed in 714 00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:01,560 Speaker 1: almost the impossible, and we feel it's time now to 715 00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:05,200 Speaker 1: focus on back on her life and her dreams and 716 00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,600 Speaker 1: try to give other young women a chance to live 717 00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:12,080 Speaker 1: their dreams. So the scholarship was set up so that 718 00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:16,280 Speaker 1: we will honor young women who have interests similar to Christian's, 719 00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:21,040 Speaker 1: that they can move forward and reach their dreams. And 720 00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:25,239 Speaker 1: although Christian's voice and dreams were silenced, this is a way, 721 00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,959 Speaker 1: the way, a way to give back. So we're really 722 00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:33,239 Speaker 1: excited about it and it's an uplifting piece. And as 723 00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:37,920 Speaker 1: we've talked about in this whole piece is parents really 724 00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:41,600 Speaker 1: don't have a voice and they can't lead. But in 725 00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:45,120 Speaker 1: this worship, you know we can lead, and we can 726 00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:49,480 Speaker 1: have a voice, and Christian's dreams can live on through 727 00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:55,560 Speaker 1: another student, Denise Smart. Stand Smart still an inspiration as 728 00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,839 Speaker 1: the Search for Justice guys on. As Denise outlines at 729 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:03,000 Speaker 1: Christians Smart ownership. I want to take this moment and 730 00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:08,000 Speaker 1: thank our partner. It's super beats. It's all about energy. 731 00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,360 Speaker 1: Wouldn't it be great to have all the energy you 732 00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:14,760 Speaker 1: want all day long? Well, that is not gonna happen. Okay, 733 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,000 Speaker 1: I know that. You know I get up between five 734 00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,960 Speaker 1: o'clock and six o'clock every morning. I still can't get 735 00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,719 Speaker 1: everything done. Fatigue gets in the way, even sometimes for 736 00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:27,239 Speaker 1: everyday activities. And you know it's true, it gets worse 737 00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,880 Speaker 1: every year. I see my ten year roles running around 738 00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,799 Speaker 1: and it takes all I can do to keep up 739 00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,560 Speaker 1: with him. 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