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Speaker 1: My Next Guest. Production company, Kingdom Rain Entertainment LLC, is

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Speaker 1: recognized as one of the leading entertainment companies in television.

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Speaker 1: His credits conclude Executive producer, Love and Marriage, Huntsville, Own

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Speaker 1: the Own Network, Styling Hollywood, Netflix, The Real Housewives of Atlanta, Bravo,

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Speaker 1: Hollywood Divas, TV one, The Next Fifteen, and Gucci Main

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Speaker 1: and Keisha the main Event on b ET. Please welcome

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Speaker 1: to money making conversation. They've said, let Freedom Rain. Let's

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Speaker 1: let Kingdom Rain, my man, Carlos King my man. For

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Speaker 1: first of all, you know you're doing great things and

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Speaker 1: UH in television because you know, it's just been a

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Speaker 1: I would and I just tell you share my personal story.

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Speaker 1: When I was producing and UH and creating the Neighborhood

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Speaker 1: Awards with Steve Steve har he was hosting. It was

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Speaker 1: a period where you know, there were no African Americans

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Speaker 1: Sitcom talent and all the talent was coming from the

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Speaker 1: reality TV world. And it was a period where reality

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Speaker 1: it was just ugly out there, and so it's really

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Speaker 1: there has been Now we see sitcoms with African Americans

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Speaker 1: I feel that that has helped uh stylized and help

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Speaker 1: also shape better stories. Am I correcting that assessment? No,

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Speaker 1: you absolutely are. I think, um listen, when it comes

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Speaker 1: to reality TV. The reason why I started my company,

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Speaker 1: Kingdom Rain Entertainment is because I wanted to change the

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Speaker 1: landscape of how African Americans are beat on television. So, No,

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Speaker 1: You're testament is right in terms of what has been

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Speaker 1: and my hope is to redirect that in the future. Well,

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Speaker 1: you're doing a good job, first of all, because you know,

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Speaker 1: actually producing these shows with African America needs and African

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Speaker 1: how they should act. Well, let's just make believe this

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Speaker 1: when I you said, Rahan, you're excited to have me

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Speaker 1: on the show, Yes, I am, because you are telling

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Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, callers, that's entertainment. We got to

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Speaker 1: have the ratings. Heither right, But guess what there is

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Speaker 1: especially African Americans, they want to see people who look

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Speaker 1: And when you look at love and marriage, Huntsville on

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