Speaker 1: I've been there, been there a few times. Yeah. Oh
Speaker 1: I love London, Yeah, I love I went to the
Speaker 1: airport there once.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys out there.
Speaker 1: Which which he loves, he loves Gatwick doesn't have it,
Speaker 1: I loved. I'm a man myself, Yeah I was, Sun.
Speaker 2: Said man, because that's where the cheap flights go from.
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 2: I mean every I mean I don't try not to
Speaker 2: fly anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, every time I've gone to the continent, I'm always like,
Speaker 1: why leave from Heath, Like it's like exponentially more expensive
Speaker 1: to go anywhere out of there.
Speaker 3: There was the John Lennon statue where I went.
Speaker 2: Which one from London?
Speaker 1: Are you? Okay? But it could have been a different British.
Speaker 2: Guy, just we have a few.
Speaker 1: It was just a statue. It could have just been
Speaker 1: a statue of some guy.
Speaker 3: I assumed it was John Lynon because I don't know
Speaker 3: any other people from England.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's our only man, the only yeah.
Speaker 1: The only person ever.
Speaker 3: Well, no, you have the guy from Wings, the guy
Speaker 3: from Wings McCartney.
Speaker 1: Okay, interesting, the most roundabout Beatles references.
Speaker 3: Was he in the Beatles?
Speaker 1: Oh that's crazy man, Hello the Internet and welcome to
Speaker 1: season three forty six, Episode three of the Daily Zeitgeist
Speaker 1: production of iHeart Radio. You're throwing me off already. I
Speaker 1: should just chill for a second. Man, bad, my bad.
Speaker 1: This is a podcast where we take a deep dive
Speaker 1: into America's shared consciousness. It is Wednesday, July tenth, twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four. What does that mean? What is July tenth?
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Speaker 1: out to Salvador Jolly. That was touching on one of
Speaker 1: the more interesting schemes we've heard about. Replacing Joe Biden
Speaker 1: is like, just do like Oprah and Colbert and Taylor
Speaker 1: Swift to talk to whoever the new candidate is and
Speaker 1: and that will completely reverse the policies of the party
Speaker 1: that also need to change. But anyway, that's from Salvador
Speaker 1: Jolly to the tune of Family Affair. I gotta say,
Speaker 1: rhyming DNC with dancery. I love that. I gotta say,
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed that. But look, I am thrilled to
Speaker 1: be joined today by my guest co host, someone who
Speaker 1: we all know is a wonderful comedian, producer, podcaster, you
Speaker 1: know again, multi hyphen it's only in this guest podcast
Speaker 1: position host of Bad Hasbara, Please welcome, and it's also
Speaker 1: the most moral podcast in the world. It is the
Speaker 1: most moral podcast in the world. Please welcome to the microphone,
Speaker 1: mister Matt leeb.
Speaker 3: Guys, I did earlier that was me because Jack wasn't here,
Speaker 3: and also I'm gonna say footnotes, rand there you go
Speaker 3: this episode, it's me Matt leeb aka because I'm Matt.
Speaker 3: I'm Matt, I'm Matt Lee.
Speaker 1: What's up? That was me? I love was that off
Speaker 1: the cuff, off the talk, off the top of the head.
Speaker 1: I love to see that.
Speaker 3: You have to understand that I've got a you know,
Speaker 3: a pretty storied career of parody songs. Usually you're about
Speaker 3: eating butts, in which I use this on a MONOPI
Speaker 3: invented for eating butts called lum Yes. And I will
Speaker 3: do one of those songs at the beginning of every frodcast.
Speaker 1: But for this.
Speaker 3: One, Baby, I'm talking my own name.
Speaker 1: I like that. We love to hear that. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much, Matt. And speaking of musical talents, our two
Speaker 1: guests today host a wonderful podcast about another musical powerhouse one,
Speaker 1: Bruce the Boss Springsteen, New Jersey's very own. I know
Speaker 1: very little about Bruce Springsteen aside from what I get
Speaker 1: just sort of ambiently from being an American, But after
Speaker 1: listening to their podcast, I'm I'm starting to understand things
Speaker 1: a little bit better, at least from a completely new perspective,
Speaker 1: which I really enjoy. They are the hosts of the
Speaker 1: podcast because the Boss belongs to us. Asking the question, look,
Speaker 1: is Bruce Springsteen actually one of the greatest queer icons?
Speaker 1: Then they have a very emphatic answer to that question.
Speaker 1: Please welcome to the microphone, Please live in to the microphone.
Speaker 1: Jesse Lawson and Holly Cassio to have you. Oh of course,
Speaker 1: and we do want to acknowledge Jesse you are currently
Speaker 1: both of our guests are coming live from the UK
Speaker 1: right now. But Jesse, you do live near a main
Speaker 1: road and ambulance station, so if there is some ambience, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm literally a radio producer.
Speaker 4: That is my job and I have the West House
Speaker 4: for requiting it.
Speaker 5: It sounds like you're just in the middle of the street.
Speaker 1: Right right. We love it. Yeah, it was like, is
Speaker 1: that one of those zoom backgrounds where it looks like
Speaker 1: they're in a house and they may just be sort
Speaker 1: of sitting like on the high road.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sitting out.
Speaker 1: Well, it's great to have you.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: Like I said at the top, like I I don't
Speaker 1: know anything about Bruce Springsteen. A lot of people like
Speaker 1: you'd like a man he's from New Jersey, You're from
Speaker 1: the valley out cash And I'm like, yeah, I respect that,
Speaker 1: I guess, but tell us a little bit about your
Speaker 1: podcast because I also love that, you know, as sort
Speaker 1: of in the description of your show too, you also
Speaker 1: asked the question why you the host transactivist, abolitionist, DIY punk,
Speaker 1: drag king, working class weirdos, What are y'all doing? Idolizing
Speaker 1: assist straight, Rich white Man.
Speaker 5: Well done forgetting that out in one take. I think
Speaker 5: we can never do that in one straight text.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm good.
Speaker 3: I'm good as a professional dude.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can.
Speaker 2: Tell, you can tell.
Speaker 5: I think you are actually our target audience because I
Speaker 5: think we talk a lot about Bruce Sprinksy and we
Speaker 5: get very very nerdy about it, and we forget that
Speaker 5: actually other people outside of yeah, the myth of Bruce
Speaker 5: sprinks and a lot of people don't know about him
Speaker 5: and like who he really is, including us. We're kind
Speaker 5: of making up as we go along, but we do
Speaker 5: a lot of very big, deep dives into who we
Speaker 5: think he is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I would say like that was my experience.
Speaker 4: I think one of the so I got into Bruce
Speaker 4: Springsteen when I was in my early twenties, and before
Speaker 4: that point I hadn't thought that much about him because
Speaker 4: he is, like, you know, one of his album covers
Speaker 4: has the American flag, right, everyone says that he's the
Speaker 4: same as bon Jovi, Like I just like I was like, well,
Speaker 4: this isn't for me. And then I had the kind
Speaker 4: of like classic experience that lots of people we talked
Speaker 4: on the show had where I just listened to one
Speaker 4: song and was like, it's about gender, and then I
Speaker 4: became obsessed with him. So yeah, I think like that's
Speaker 4: something we talk about a lot on the show. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: there's a real Bruce who lives in New Jersey, and
Speaker 4: there's a Bruce that we've projected all of our thoughts
Speaker 4: and feelings onto.
Speaker 5: And it's really weird because sometimes you think, like I'm
Speaker 5: getting all this queer stuff from Bruce, what on earth
Speaker 5: are other people getting? Like you, look, I love America,
Speaker 5: Ali Bruce Brigsy and it's like, what version of briefs
Speaker 5: are you listening to?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I think most Americans things go over our
Speaker 1: heads anyway. And people were like, huh so the song
Speaker 1: la so I had some depth to the lyrics that
Speaker 1: I wasn't picking up on. I thought it was a
Speaker 1: really bad guy working in a steel town.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're really underestimating how stupid we are
Speaker 3: as the country. We saw American flag and said, guy,
Speaker 3: love Marrat and then we're like, yeah, America is good.
Speaker 3: Its lyric sheets.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I.
Speaker 4: Did like, yeah, that literally happened, isn't it. Because Trump
Speaker 4: passed Bruce Springsteen to play his inauguration. Yeah, it is
Speaker 4: about like workers rights and unionization.
Speaker 3: Right, we've only had worse too, because like now you
Speaker 3: have like every other day, uh, Tom Morello will tweet
Speaker 3: something and they'll be like ten conservative reply guys like
Speaker 3: oh I missed when rage wasn't woke, And it's like,
Speaker 3: how completely in media criticism do you have to be
Speaker 3: to think they were?
Speaker 1: Like your ears work? Right? Have you just heard down
Speaker 1: Rowdale a brown skin man says their grandparents buy one.
Speaker 1: It's so great? Yeah yeah, well yeah no. The other
Speaker 1: thing too, is like just it was fun hearing you
Speaker 1: both like discover suddenly it's like, wait, am I the
Speaker 1: only Boss fan? You're like no, this is like this
Speaker 1: is truly like shared experience, and like I'm I'm guessing.
Speaker 1: Like anything, it's always fun to kind of begin to
Speaker 1: find your community sort of like in this niche way too.
Speaker 1: It must be just only like sort of furthers your
Speaker 1: love for the Boss.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we we are legion.
Speaker 5: I think that's what we discovered that the podcast is
Speaker 5: there are so many of us out there, and I
Speaker 5: think secretly we've done this just to make more friends.
Speaker 2: Because everyone we talk to.
Speaker 5: There's just so many queer fans out there that hear
Speaker 5: his lyrics or see him and don't know whether they
Speaker 5: actually want to be him or whether they want to
Speaker 5: make out with him. They're not quite sure. There's so
Speaker 5: many of us, it's incredible, to be clear.
Speaker 3: The reason anyone starts a podcast is to make friends.
Speaker 3: That's just letting you know we.
Speaker 2: Are best friends right now.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely, Like I'm coming to I'm going to
Speaker 1: ask to crash at your places when I'm in the
Speaker 1: UK next time. This is how friends to me from
Speaker 1: the podcast about fifteen months ago. If you remember, I'm
Speaker 1: here and I have Nando's, I'm willing to share.
Speaker 2: As.
Speaker 1: You know, or we'll get the meal deal at Tesco
Speaker 1: whatever whatever. You know.
Speaker 2: On the noisy, busy street that I live on, there
Speaker 2: is a Nandos, so.
Speaker 1: Oh perfect, Well call me, you know, Perry, mister Perry Perry.
Speaker 1: The thing. I also got to add, what's like in
Speaker 1: your opinion? What's like Spruceting's Spruce Spruce Stings? Yeah? What
Speaker 1: Springsteen's like most based song that you be? Like? Man,
Speaker 1: people need to fucking actually listen to this track, like
Speaker 1: to really just to kind of blow up in your
Speaker 1: mind about who Bruce Springsteen is great question.
Speaker 2: So many.
Speaker 5: I mean the Born in the USA is like the
Speaker 5: really obvious one that everyone's kind of aware of, the.
Speaker 3: One that's about loving the USA, right absolutely, yeah, unions, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Just fucking that flag.
Speaker 5: But like he, I think the song we talked about
Speaker 5: a lot on the show is Dancing in the Dark,
Speaker 5: which sounds like it's just pop banger. Like it's just
Speaker 5: a pop it everyone knows, and it's just a song
Speaker 5: about bleak depression and isolation and darkness and queerness if
Speaker 5: you want to hear it. But it's just such an
Speaker 5: unbelievably sad, deep song that goes on miss because it's
Speaker 5: just such a pot banger.
Speaker 3: I always thought that was a song about how to
Speaker 3: start a fire. It's like, I can't start a.
Speaker 1: Fire, spark, is that what you're doing? Yeah? Yeah and so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I figured it was just like teach America
Speaker 3: how to make more fires.
Speaker 1: We have that fire in your heart. They're called gender reveals,
Speaker 1: and we do them in dry areas to start wildfires.
Speaker 4: It's I saw one of them in real life the
Speaker 4: other day, which I thought it was just an American thing.
Speaker 2: I go swimming with a bunch.
Speaker 4: All of us are trans who go swimming together, and
Speaker 4: we were walking down the beach and there was a
Speaker 4: legitimate gender reveal party and that and when they revealed,
Speaker 4: they were like, it's a boy, and we were like.
Speaker 1: For now, yeah, yeah, keep telling them that. Well, look,
Speaker 1: we're going to get to know you all even better,
Speaker 1: but first we are going to just give people a
Speaker 1: quick peek at to what we're going to be talking about.
Speaker 1: You know, there's so much news happening. One of the
Speaker 1: bigger stories is the landset. The Medical Journal has published
Speaker 1: a study that was counting the dead in goz It's
Speaker 1: called counting the Dead and Gozet Difficult but Essential, which
Speaker 1: has a much higher estimate than anything I think that
Speaker 1: has ever been reported. But when you look at sort
Speaker 1: of the methodology of how they came to this number,
Speaker 1: it makes perfect sense. Then we might also talk about
Speaker 1: how gen Z caught another body. This time gen Z
Speaker 1: is killing flirting, according to the New York Post and
Speaker 1: many other places, So we'll talk about that, and we
Speaker 1: will also because we have some esteem guests from the UK.
Speaker 1: I just do want to touch on the elections that
Speaker 1: had happened there, but also just this interesting controversy where
Speaker 1: like one of these reform candidates that maybe people thought
Speaker 1: were AI but wasn't. It's very strange and feels very
Speaker 1: much like something we are probably going to experience soon
Speaker 1: over here. So we will talk about that and plenty more,
Speaker 1: But first we must ask our guests Jesse and Holly,
Speaker 1: what is something from your search history that's revealing about
Speaker 1: who you are or what you're into? Right now?
Speaker 5: I'm just gonna say, because the show is like a
Speaker 5: serious scientific research project, I spend a lot of time
Speaker 5: googling Bruce Springsteen's lesbian looks. So a lot of my
Speaker 5: Google search history is like Bruce lesbian jacket, Bruce Dyke haircut.
Speaker 1: And wait so and their articles or someone is like
Speaker 1: here like here are his looks? So like when you
Speaker 1: that has SEO hits Oh I love this. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: When I when I searched Bruce lesbian jacket, to say
Speaker 1: Bruce Lee jacket, I'm like, no, no, no, no, we're
Speaker 1: not speaking the same.
Speaker 3: Well, I want to buy one of those Bruce Lee jackets.
Speaker 1: Hold on the yellow ones. Yeah yeah, Jesse, how about you,
Speaker 1: what's something from your search history?
Speaker 4: I have ADHD and I'm constantly in a trying to
Speaker 4: work out how to make myself interested enough to do
Speaker 4: boring things. So my most recent life hack is I
Speaker 4: basically I really don't like brushing my teeth, but I
Speaker 4: know that you have to. So now I just only
Speaker 4: ever search toss Master ten minute video and then I
Speaker 4: sit and I watch it and I fluss and.
Speaker 2: Brush my teeth.
Speaker 1: There you go, there you go, and.
Speaker 2: It really wakes. Would recommend to differend.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a lot of trouble moving my body.
Speaker 1: Podcasting and working like media stuff requires a lot of sitting,
Speaker 1: and I'm like terrible at motivating myself to work out.
Speaker 1: But I've recently hit like a dark spell like in
Speaker 1: my mental health, where I realized too, like moving my
Speaker 1: body is like a great distraction and a great thing.
Speaker 1: Plus I can move my joints that are becoming so
Speaker 1: you know, calcified and hardening before my eyes. That like
Speaker 1: I just tell myself, like, rather than doing that thing
Speaker 1: where you're just gonna scroll or just like stare at something,
Speaker 1: move your body because then the knock on effect will
Speaker 1: be you will feel better. And I've only recently been
Speaker 1: able to use that effectively.
Speaker 3: Wait, is that what dancing in the darks about?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, shit exactly, just getting out of this thing? Man? Man,
Speaker 1: what what's that one layer or something about? Uh? I
Speaker 1: ain't nothing, but that's.
Speaker 2: We can relate to.
Speaker 1: That. That's how I feel a lot of the time underrated.
Speaker 1: Jesse Holly, what is something you think is underrated?
Speaker 5: I'm gonna say underrated libraries. I'm a librarian and my
Speaker 5: day job and libraries are great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I love library. Are you also the zine maker?
Speaker 1: I am? Yes, yes, yes. My local library recently the
Speaker 1: last few years started carrying zines, which I thought was
Speaker 1: really cool.
Speaker 2: No way, that's so cool. I wish my libraries did that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought. I thought. I was like, damn, this
Speaker 1: is dope, like like because like you see young kids
Speaker 1: just picking up these like really interesting like you know,
Speaker 1: obviously like counterculture topics that they're not going to find
Speaker 1: anywhere else in the library. But like, yeah, I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, what, respect to the zine rack that.
Speaker 3: Y'all have so cool?
Speaker 2: Doctrinate them while they're young, I love exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, get off the scenes. Aren't woke?
Speaker 3: Are they? I'm going to make a conservative scene?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Can you imagine? I mean you know they're probably
Speaker 1: trying that ship like we need a conservative scene.
Speaker 3: Yeah, not just a god pamphlet, right, that's like just
Speaker 3: I feel like crisis is yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah yeah they make scenes. Yeah. Yeah, they really good,
Speaker 1: I mean really good paper stock they used. It's not
Speaker 1: quite that diy zine feel those genus pamphlets.
Speaker 2: The kids will see right through that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's the what's the tone of like life like
Speaker 1: for a librarian in the UK? I mean in America
Speaker 1: in certain places it's become a hellscape because you know
Speaker 1: obviously yeah, is I to her?
Speaker 5: That's just had that I saw there's something about you
Speaker 5: have to take ID now and if you're under under eighteen.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like a recently one library like adopted this
Speaker 1: policy and yeah because this this uh state legislature bill
Speaker 1: had passed. But yeah, I'm guessing the kids have access
Speaker 1: to books in the UK.
Speaker 5: Well you say that, that's very optimistic of you. We
Speaker 5: lost something like eight hundred libraries during the Tories while
Speaker 5: they were in power. So eight hundred libraries closed in
Speaker 5: fourteen years. Wow, So no libraries and UK and a
Speaker 5: dire direstate. Wow, That's what I'm here to talk about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, seriously, No, I mean, yeah, Jesus, that's that's eight
Speaker 1: hundred in the last eight hundred.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 5: And I live in an area where there was a
Speaker 5: recent article that came out that said my local area
Speaker 5: has too many libraries and they might be closing more
Speaker 5: of those down. It's just absolutely insane.
Speaker 3: Too many libraries is the funniest complaint I've ever heard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like when you're still like austerity brained. That's
Speaker 1: like a conclusion you come to say, well, there's too
Speaker 1: many libraries.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and what does that mean? Like, how are
Speaker 3: we going to save some money? Don't worry about any
Speaker 3: other budgets out there, Just let's cut the libraries down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's always money for the military.
Speaker 1: That's right. Libraries.
Speaker 3: The prison readers have had it too good for too long.
Speaker 1: Prison We've got a prison problem. We need to just
Speaker 1: convert some of these into micro prisons. How about that? Okay, Jesse,
Speaker 1: how about you? What's something you think is underrated?
Speaker 2: I don't know if this.
Speaker 4: Is underrated or just has a bad rap, but I
Speaker 4: think that karaoke is really good.
Speaker 1: It is a bad rap.
Speaker 2: I feel like it's not like cool.
Speaker 4: I also think that people only think that people who
Speaker 4: are good at singing do you karaoke? And I'm here
Speaker 4: on my soapbox to say that the best karaoke is
Speaker 4: when you're really.
Speaker 2: Bad but really keen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, shouting as loud as possible to a song as
Speaker 4: like the best release of emotions ever.
Speaker 1: It is the it is slight, almost a full replace
Speaker 1: for therapy. I'd say, like, it's it's cathartic to group
Speaker 1: scream a song. Yeah, it is in this way that
Speaker 1: I can't. It's so funny that you say that. Now
Speaker 1: I'm like getting goosebumps. I'm like, yes, I was screaming
Speaker 1: under the bridge recently with a group of people and
Speaker 1: like everyone's doing the harmonies, like people were respecting the harmony.
Speaker 1: It sounded like you were singing like the Welsh national anthem,
Speaker 1: the way we have the harmonies popping and ship, and
Speaker 1: that felt like that's power, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Otherwise I'm a totally screaming like other songs.
Speaker 3: But I cured my PTSD when we all went bomb
Speaker 3: bomb bomb during the Caroline. Do you like karaoke, Matt?
Speaker 3: I love karaoke, But there's two types, you know. There's
Speaker 3: the one that's at the bar, and then there's the
Speaker 3: one like in Ktown they have the rooms, yeah, and
Speaker 3: it's just you and your homies and like the greatest
Speaker 3: food you've ever had, singing do host.
Speaker 2: You know, I really disagree with the rooms.
Speaker 4: I think something I love about karaoke is the vibe
Speaker 4: of the crowd and people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, getting behind you, singing love Wow.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can only do the rooms. I feel like
Speaker 5: I'm treating it like therapy. That's that's between me and
Speaker 5: like a very small group of people.
Speaker 2: That's not for the public.
Speaker 1: I'm a rumor too, I'm a room.
Speaker 2: Oh really nice.
Speaker 1: I mean I'll get up, I'll get up. I don't
Speaker 1: I don't mind, like because you'll usually be with it.
Speaker 1: It's not like I go in like solo lone Wolf
Speaker 1: karaoke and I'm like, I only have the stage and
Speaker 1: then you know, botch my heart will go on or something.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I did him.
Speaker 4: I came to America on a solo trip, like just
Speaker 4: after COVID finished, and so I was like on my own,
Speaker 4: and I was like, what will I make myself do
Speaker 4: or make myself go to a karaoke bar alone in
Speaker 4: every city I go to And it was real fun
Speaker 4: and I made friends with people.
Speaker 1: Where'd you go? Where did you go to La? You
Speaker 1: said you were in La? I did.
Speaker 4: I was in La San Francisco, and then I flew
Speaker 4: to Winnipeg and Canada and then to New York.
Speaker 3: I remember, do you remember what karaoke bar in LA?
Speaker 4: I went to one in San Francisco that was a
Speaker 4: live piano player and then he just went up to
Speaker 4: him and You're like, here's my song and then he
Speaker 4: played it on the piano.
Speaker 1: That was pretty.
Speaker 2: It was like a plinky Plunkeys bar.
Speaker 1: But probably I love clinky Plunkies if you're a regular
Speaker 1: plinky punk It's my favorite Cilly and Murphy show. Yeah, overrated, Holly,
Speaker 1: what is something you think is overrated?
Speaker 5: I'm staying on the library theme. We have this thing
Speaker 5: in the UK. I don't know if you've got this,
Speaker 5: but we have like community libraries in phone boxes.
Speaker 1: Do you have we have like little community like they
Speaker 1: look like boxes, big birdhouses where you put whatever you
Speaker 1: want in there.
Speaker 2: Right, hate them? Hate them.
Speaker 5: They're like really really twee and quane and have that
Speaker 5: little bunting around them. And it's just an overrated book
Speaker 5: swell for like books that people don't want. So it's
Speaker 5: always just like Harry Potter and Dan Brown and crap
Speaker 5: that people want to get rid of. They're usually in
Speaker 5: towns where libraries have been axed and got rid of,
Speaker 5: but everyone's really happy to have this community library.
Speaker 2: Makes me so angry.
Speaker 3: Interesting, it's kind of like, uh, you know, it's it's
Speaker 3: the privatization of libraries. It's like if you want, if
Speaker 3: you want to check out books, you have to put
Speaker 3: them on your front lawn for everybody to take.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: Kind of messed up. I never thought about it that way,
Speaker 3: but it is how I get a John Grisham.
Speaker 1: So yeah, no judgment.
Speaker 5: You know, whatever you want to read, it's absolutely fine.
Speaker 5: But that usually as well, Like in quite nice areas,
Speaker 5: you don't really get to see this kind of quent
Speaker 5: libraries in poorer areas, which I think is my beef.
Speaker 1: Right, No, I totally get that, and the yeah, the
Speaker 1: quality of the books. It definitely it feels more like
Speaker 1: a receptacle for trash that is in book form, you know,
Speaker 1: like because every time we have a couple of my
Speaker 1: neighborhood and my partner she loves to read, and so
Speaker 1: like every time it might be a book, and it's
Speaker 1: always like, man, it's all fucking mid ash trash books
Speaker 1: every time.
Speaker 3: Three Tony Robbins and a Lacroix. Yeah, why is this
Speaker 3: empty canon here?
Speaker 1: There is a full one back there behind the like
Speaker 1: libertarian literature, they have the heine Rand and shit, how
Speaker 1: about you, Jesse? What is something you think is overrated?
Speaker 4: I think that work is overrated. I don't want to
Speaker 4: spend my time stress like stressing about paying rent. I
Speaker 4: would love for us to get rid of caps.
Speaker 1: How can we do that? I think AI is probably
Speaker 1: our agrees anyone? Okay? What if we all own Tesla's
Speaker 1: and then when we're sleeping, the Tesla's make money for
Speaker 1: us by being robotaxis society has sounds full proof works.
Speaker 1: What's what? What's like the I mean we'll get to
Speaker 1: this story a little bit later, but I mean, uh,
Speaker 1: you know you've unshackled yourselves from the Tory Party after
Speaker 1: fourteen years? What is is there a feeling of buoyancy, lightness,
Speaker 1: optimism in the UK right now?
Speaker 2: Did you sign?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I know That's why. I just always want us
Speaker 1: to have perspective on how elections work and like what
Speaker 1: the real stakes are that we see I think of
Speaker 1: people very similar thinking versus what the sort of pull it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's really tough because, yeah, I
Speaker 4: think that it would be great to be feeling happier
Speaker 4: now at the total landslide that happened, and you know,
Speaker 4: we now have a labor government, but it.
Speaker 2: Is a pretty central.
Speaker 4: I don't think that me and Holly share that much
Speaker 4: politics with this current form of labor. Sure, so in
Speaker 4: some ways it's a little bit scary because a lot
Speaker 4: of things that were happening under the Tories might still
Speaker 4: happen under a new name.
Speaker 2: And then also it might be hard.
Speaker 4: You know, there's a level of complacency, isn't there when
Speaker 4: you have what is what people say is a left
Speaker 4: wing government in power.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, exactly, it's like, let's be it's center left,
Speaker 1: let's not get ahead of ourselves at best, and our
Speaker 1: Democratic Party is like a center right it turns out,
Speaker 1: so it's all perspective. It's all perspective. Well, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: I don't know, Matt, we're gonna say something.
Speaker 3: Sorry, no, no, I was just gonna say. I still
Speaker 3: am stuck on how do you pronounce the new prime
Speaker 3: minister's name?
Speaker 1: Star it's cute.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, stormer. Does he have like personal security guards?
Speaker 3: And are they called stormtroopers?
Speaker 2: You should write to him.
Speaker 3: I saw that would get a bitter laugh than it did.
Speaker 3: Just let everyone know I.
Speaker 1: Was very proud. I was a big swing. It was
Speaker 1: a big swing.
Speaker 3: Sometimes you take a big swing on this podcast and
Speaker 3: sometimes you miss.
Speaker 1: Yeah. You just sent me like the bang bang bang emojis,
Speaker 1: Like I keep sending.
Speaker 3: You fire fire over and over again. Fire as fuck, right, dude, troopers.
Speaker 1: I saw a clip recently and I don't know if
Speaker 1: this is since I doubt it since he's become prime minister,
Speaker 1: but he was like in a locker room and like
Speaker 1: apparently this is like after playing football, and someone was like, hey, uh,
Speaker 1: Palestine man, what do you think was that? How old
Speaker 1: is that clip? And he was sort of like we
Speaker 1: need a ceasefire and they're like, well, don't you do something?
Speaker 4: I mean, I mean yeah, I mean he has cooled
Speaker 4: in the last twenty four hours, which is like truly
Speaker 4: all of us were like, don't say anything, like it
Speaker 4: wasn't expected, and so that you know, that's cool. I
Speaker 4: guess yeah, minimum, yeah, minimum.
Speaker 5: And he also sacked all the MPs that previously called
Speaker 5: for a ceasefire.
Speaker 2: So there's like he did.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Jesus, there was a lot a wee page
Speaker 4: before the.
Speaker 3: I would really love to get the bare minimum though
Speaker 3: here you're really sick if we could get the bare minimum.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we get the version of like when a
Speaker 1: parent is like being like nagged by a child, like yeah,
Speaker 1: uh huh uh huh just one second. Yeah, right, So
Speaker 1: now people are like.
Speaker 2: It's jettous.
Speaker 1: I know, daddy's gonna and daddy knows and daddy knows,
Speaker 1: Daddy knows and daddy knows that, and that's bad. That's bad.
Speaker 1: But we're not going to use that word today. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's a curse word. Yeah yeah, what gosh, Well, we're
Speaker 1: living off scraps, baby. You know, there's in so many.
Speaker 3: Ways we can't even get in a lie guy to
Speaker 3: be the Democratic nominee. Yes, just fully alive would be nice.
Speaker 1: I know, it's so direed man like just to look
Speaker 1: upon those what our potential future is. Anyway, let's do
Speaker 1: that off mic, so we don't bum everyone out, and
Speaker 1: we'll be right back after this and we're back and
Speaker 1: there you may hear the trash guy right now, Matt
Speaker 1: was saying, there's any trash banging again, we like to
Speaker 1: have offer full transparency when it comes to the sounds
Speaker 1: that you may be hearing as we have the show playing.
Speaker 1: But anyway, the first story I wanted to get to
Speaker 1: is is pretty big. It's it's from the quite esteemed journal,
Speaker 1: the Landset. They just published a study, like as I
Speaker 1: said at the top of the show called counting the
Speaker 1: Dead in Gaza Difficult but Essential, which estimates that the
Speaker 1: quote true death toll could reach more than one hundred
Speaker 1: and eighty six thousand people. That is obviously exponentially more
Speaker 1: than the thirty eight thousand that we hear being quoted
Speaker 1: most of the time, because of course that number doesn't
Speaker 1: take into account the quote thousands of dead buried under
Speaker 1: rubble and indirect deaths due to destruction of health facilities,
Speaker 1: food distribution systems and other public infrastructure. That figure is
Speaker 1: actually a conservative estimate, as the Lancet said, it was
Speaker 1: calculated using four indirect deaths for each direct death. But
Speaker 1: as they said in this journal piece and other other conflicts,
Speaker 1: indirect deaths range from three to fifteen times the number
Speaker 1: of direct deaths. So this is the again the conservative number,
Speaker 1: and that would amount to almost eight percent of the
Speaker 1: total population in Gaza. Right now as it stands, the
Speaker 1: CIA director Bill Burns is headed to Doha to continue
Speaker 1: cease fire talks. This feels like a headline I've read
Speaker 1: every other week when they're like they're the people are
Speaker 1: trying to appease everyone who's absolutely outraged by the situation,
Speaker 1: to put it lightly, And on Sunday, Hamas said it
Speaker 1: was waiting to hear from Israel on their latest proposal.
Speaker 1: So I'm not sure where this lands. But again, one
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty six thousand is what they are saying
Speaker 1: is a more realistic death toll given all of the
Speaker 1: infrastructure damage. And again, like the way even the media
Speaker 1: in the United States is like, oh wow, buildings are
Speaker 1: toppled in Gaza, and it's like and those are and
Speaker 1: people are inside, people inside of very important information.
Speaker 3: And it makes total sense. I mean, you know, like
Speaker 3: this this count that we've been getting, which is coming
Speaker 3: from the Gaza Health ministry, is just based on bodies
Speaker 3: that are identifiable and accounted for that have been directly killed.
Speaker 3: People have been killed by Israeli bombing and gunfire, and
Speaker 3: it makes total sense that, of course the indirect here
Speaker 3: it's going to be where a big mass of the
Speaker 3: body count is eventually going to be reported. In fact,
Speaker 3: the United Nations just now today released a press release
Speaker 3: that says UN experts declare famine has spread throughout the
Speaker 3: Gaza Strip. This is according to the United Nations Human
Speaker 3: Rights Office of the High Commissioner. And so it's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: like this, this number that keeps getting trodded out feels
Speaker 3: like it hasn't changed for a lot of people. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we're like, haven't we been saying like thirty five ish
Speaker 3: thousands since like January?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: And yet every day we see more and more videos
Speaker 3: of this destruction and we're stuck on this number. And
Speaker 3: it just you know, for anyone who's been paying attention,
Speaker 3: you just sit there knowing how much worse it actually is.
Speaker 1: And it's people willing to engage with the news and
Speaker 1: not sort of look away like I think most people
Speaker 1: tend to do because it's horrifying. But again, this is
Speaker 1: these are sort of like the stakes I think that
Speaker 1: people have to understand when you look at like how
Speaker 1: a government works and what you wanted to do or
Speaker 1: not do. These are the kinds of things that factor
Speaker 1: into it. And I know, like again, like you look
Speaker 1: at the polling for the support just in America for
Speaker 1: actually having some kind of meaningful ceasefire, it's overwhelming. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And yet again, because we have a military industrial complex
Speaker 1: that needs constant feeding of funds, this is what we get.
Speaker 1: And this is like, you know, and I think a
Speaker 1: lot of there's so many it's not just even in
Speaker 1: like armed conflict. I remember even with Hurricane Maria right
Speaker 1: in Puerto Rico, there was this amount of deaths that
Speaker 1: the sort of US government was sort of like and
Speaker 1: only like if you like, maybe a couple of people died,
Speaker 1: but when you actually really look at the entirety of it,
Speaker 1: the lack of power and access to medical care and
Speaker 1: like clean water and things and what that actually did
Speaker 1: for other people, it was much higher. And I think
Speaker 1: people really need to take this to consideration, or at
Speaker 1: least I don't think anyone listening to this show is
Speaker 1: like I'm on the fence about what's happening in case.
Speaker 4: But you know, I think what you said about the
Speaker 4: military industrial complex is really important as well, because it's
Speaker 4: like I don't think it's a tool meaningful for the
Speaker 4: head of the CIA to go and quote unquote cool
Speaker 4: for a seaspire when America is selling that many arms
Speaker 4: to Israel.
Speaker 2: Right like that, do you see what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like, that's your money factor in if you're well, I
Speaker 1: profit from this con ye.
Speaker 3: And he would be clear in saying, Oh, i am
Speaker 3: not calling for a ceasefire. I'm trying to broker a
Speaker 3: negotiation in which we eventually get the whole permanent seaspire
Speaker 3: taken off the table, and which is kind of where
Speaker 3: it's at right now. Yeah, that is where it's at.
Speaker 3: The proposal Hamas has actually agreed to take out the
Speaker 3: first demand of a permanent sea spire in favor of
Speaker 3: all the other demands. And it's just like, you know,
Speaker 3: we just keep going around in circles until somebody with
Speaker 3: power in the United States admit.
Speaker 1: Could that be?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that Israel is acting in bad faith at all times?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Really, well that leads us to our predicament here
Speaker 1: with the presidential race. Just just what polls are meaningless,
Speaker 1: but they're they're fun to just talk about because obviously
Speaker 1: they they never actually end up the way you hear
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 3: Oh, but it's like fantasy football. Let's have a good time.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a snapshot of what a couple maybe
Speaker 1: forty five people are thinking that they pulled and then
Speaker 1: extrapolated that to the entire populace. But a new poll
Speaker 1: showed that Biden is trailing Trump, but in the same amount.
Speaker 1: It's forty two to forty three percent. But because of
Speaker 1: the speculation around Biden staying in or dropping out. Their
Speaker 1: survey also looked into how other Democratic candidates would stack
Speaker 1: up in the election, including Gavin Newsom, Michigan governor Gretchen
Speaker 1: Governor Gretchen Whitmer, who both came out behind Trump. But
Speaker 1: you know who ran ahead of Trump forty two percent
Speaker 1: to forty one percent was Kamala Harris. Hey, guess what
Speaker 1: when you pair Kamala Harris with Hillary Clinton, it put
Speaker 1: Democrats quote in the strongest position, beating Trump forty three
Speaker 1: percent to forty percent. I this feels like such a funny.
Speaker 3: We're gonna lose. Let it be funny, That's what I say.
Speaker 3: Come on, oh.
Speaker 1: Man, well I mean again, Also, this feels like the
Speaker 1: absolute kind of thing where like the Polster class is like, man,
Speaker 1: just get something out there that really shows like anything.
Speaker 1: But this could work because we were cheerleading it the
Speaker 1: whole time, but now suddenly we're feeling the heat because
Speaker 1: we were the ones.
Speaker 3: That were keeping this guy here.
Speaker 5: Oh oh gosh, I honestly don't know how you're cupping
Speaker 5: because when we had our election, they have like six
Speaker 5: weeks build up to it. But you guys have like
Speaker 5: a whole year of this, don't you We.
Speaker 1: Had two years? Yeah, so much because everything is about
Speaker 1: again generating as much money as possible. If you're allowed
Speaker 1: to campaign so far out, that means everybody from the campaign,
Speaker 1: like strict Tjery, you know, industry, they start getting their checks,
Speaker 1: the polsters start getting their checks. That's like, that's what
Speaker 1: it's all about. And yeah, I mean like I wish
Speaker 1: we had like more again, like we've also deemed that
Speaker 1: corporations are people that have a legitimate voice in our election.
Speaker 1: So you know, do with that what you will. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but like you know, other countries have like you know,
Speaker 1: harder rules, like everyone has the same budget, go and
Speaker 1: you have the same amount of time go. But again,
Speaker 1: because we are that's on americocracy, built on you know,
Speaker 1: corporate kleptocracy. It's yeah, it's point difficult. Unfortunately, how do
Speaker 1: you guys do it? You guys have one of them parliaments?
Speaker 1: Is that right? I used to do drugs out of
Speaker 1: those Yeah yeah, cigarette never mind, yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: It's not like the cocaine cigarette.
Speaker 1: No, but yeah, I mean, how how what is like
Speaker 1: sort of the your election season? Like what is yeah?
Speaker 1: How like how quickly does it sort of explode and
Speaker 1: then fade away? Because we're slowly being boiled over here.
Speaker 5: It's like six weeks they announce the election, You've got
Speaker 5: six weeks to prepare. But obviously, the way things have
Speaker 5: been going to, everyone's knew that an election was coming
Speaker 5: up anyway. So I thinks I've been moving around and
Speaker 5: it's just NonStop debates, waterwall pols, news headlines. But six
Speaker 5: weeks of that feels more bearable than a whole year,
Speaker 5: two year cycle of that that's just non stop.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Well, I mean we have a huge chunk
Speaker 3: of our economy is election money. So you know, true,
Speaker 3: you have to keep into account that if you shorten elections,
Speaker 3: you know what are Pundit's going to do for the
Speaker 3: rest of the four years.
Speaker 1: You know, what are they going to talk about? Sports policy?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 5: Well, if Biden doesn't win. Then you can always start
Speaker 5: a really blanned podcast with Bruce Springsteen when he comes
Speaker 5: out of office.
Speaker 1: Yeah together, Yeah right. Oh gosh, that was a wild one,
Speaker 1: wasn't it did.
Speaker 2: I like to think that doesn't exist. I wiped it
Speaker 2: for my brain.
Speaker 1: What did you make of that? As Boss fans?
Speaker 2: I have not listened to it.
Speaker 1: Can't you even bring yourself to listen to that? Well?
Speaker 5: We had to listen to it for research purposes. I
Speaker 5: was looking for a quote and I had to say
Speaker 5: three ten minutes of it and the most insipid liberal nonsense.
Speaker 2: It's just nothing.
Speaker 5: It's just no one's saying anything on that podcast. No
Speaker 5: one is saying anything.
Speaker 1: Right, right, right, Yeah, that's the and that's the thing
Speaker 1: about that.
Speaker 3: Uh huh. And I want to I want to listen
Speaker 3: to this and just tune out.
Speaker 1: I want to. I want to listen to it and
Speaker 1: stare at a blank wall for a while.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, yeah, sleep gently.
Speaker 1: This is like I think this is what's so wild too,
Speaker 1: because I hear from older people too. They're like, I mean,
Speaker 1: you guys gotta fit, you know, you gotta stay, you
Speaker 1: gotta get in line, you know, and and support like that.
Speaker 1: This candidate. And there's there's a huge dimension that is
Speaker 1: always missing from the discourse around how younger people look
Speaker 1: at a presidential candidate these days is we have had
Speaker 1: like back to back to back economic like souplexus that
Speaker 1: broke our fucking and souls, and when we look at
Speaker 1: only increasing inequality, we're becoming so much more aware of
Speaker 1: the prison industrial complex, over policing, the mismanagement of funds
Speaker 1: and where they go and who it supports. That everyone
Speaker 1: is now being like, the status quo is fucking violence.
Speaker 1: Like people don't understand that. That's like, that's my default position.
Speaker 1: The status quo is violence. And I know that for
Speaker 1: a you know, a very fortunate few, life is very
Speaker 1: peaceful and you have no existential threats to your personhood
Speaker 1: or anything like that, but for many other people that
Speaker 1: is not the case. And like to not acknowledge that
Speaker 1: sort of like anger, frustration, fear that exists and just
Speaker 1: be like, well, you know, we just got just just
Speaker 1: to figure it out, don't worry about all these other
Speaker 1: things you guys are crowing about, just get behind the candidate.
Speaker 1: It's such a fucking slap in the face. And I
Speaker 1: wish like there's a way that, like, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: at the very again the bare minimum, right, could be
Speaker 1: the Biden campaign being like, look, this isn't a great
Speaker 1: fucking deal here, and we understand that a lot of
Speaker 1: shit can be better. We can you know, maybe we
Speaker 1: can try to do some stuff, but trying like it's
Speaker 1: nothing like that. It's just being beat over the head
Speaker 1: with like, well then you want fascism, No, we fucking don't.
Speaker 1: That's why so many people in their communities do what
Speaker 1: they have to do to fight that off.
Speaker 3: Kind of seems like you guys want fascism, being that
Speaker 3: you are willing to just lose an election to Trump
Speaker 3: because all of you are too afraid to put your
Speaker 3: own careers on the line well and back a different candidate.
Speaker 5: You know, it sounds very so much to what we
Speaker 5: just had in the UK as well. I think everyone
Speaker 5: was I think the last six weeks had just been
Speaker 5: feeling so guilty that we don't vote labor, then we're
Speaker 5: voting in fascism. But right that it's like saying that
Speaker 5: people say, isn't It's like you're voting the lesser of
Speaker 5: two evils, but forgetting you're still voting for evil at
Speaker 5: the end, of the day. Like, it's not you're not
Speaker 5: voting with herp in your heart. You're not voting with
Speaker 5: an actual choice. You're voting because it's slightly less fascist
Speaker 5: than the big fascist. But yeah, when labor on actually
Speaker 5: offering an alternative or opposition, then that just allows fascism
Speaker 5: to grow even more. So what is the point in that, right?
Speaker 2: Yea, And that's what's so exciting.
Speaker 4: I know we can talk about it more later, but
Speaker 4: that's what's so exciting about the election results in France
Speaker 4: is that it was like a left wing, a genuinely
Speaker 4: left wing coalition that like surpassed the two party system.
Speaker 4: And that's a really really exciting thing that you can
Speaker 4: actually vote for something that you do believe in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the videos of all the right wing French people
Speaker 1: like studying for the returns to come warming absolutely ashen faced.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, Yeah, this is what
Speaker 1: I have to hold on to as my country falls apart,
Speaker 1: and so be it. At least I had that. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, like that's the thing we we understand, many
Speaker 1: people understand the stakes. No, I'm not voting for Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to ever support him or his or
Speaker 1: his candidacy. But unfortunately, I'm like, well, the only other
Speaker 1: option is this other thing. But I, as a voter,
Speaker 1: feel completely unheard on so many other issues. That's where
Speaker 1: my resentment comes in as a voter, because I'm like,
Speaker 1: you guys fucking wore Kinte Claudes in the capitol talking
Speaker 1: about you were going to do something about over policing
Speaker 1: and white supremacy. You've made all these fucking noises about
Speaker 1: the pandemic and people's safety, and then there's like all
Speaker 1: the fucking safety measures got pulled out from under people
Speaker 1: you're talking about. There's so many things on the agenda,
Speaker 1: and I get that there are other things that happen,
Speaker 1: but there are a lot of voters who are like
Speaker 1: come from these marginalized groups, or people are just looking
Speaker 1: at their own situation and say the status quo like
Speaker 1: will actually be the end of me? Like if things
Speaker 1: keep going as it is, this will be the end
Speaker 1: of me. So I need to hear something different, And
Speaker 1: a lot of people resent the fact that the only
Speaker 1: thing they're hearing is well, you better get or you
Speaker 1: want fascism. It's that that's so fucked up, Like you
Speaker 1: have to acknowledge what people are going through. And it
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you're conceding the election by acknowledging these things.
Speaker 1: But this is and I think this is a situation
Speaker 1: where I think Americans have become so used to being like, well,
Speaker 1: I have to vote for the Democrat because that as
Speaker 1: a binary, yeah, that's the better decision. But they're also
Speaker 1: for the status quo, which still means death, which means violence,
Speaker 1: which means inequality, and that is like the biggest things
Speaker 1: we're trying to contend with. So anyway things are going
Speaker 1: right over here? How do you just get that off
Speaker 1: my chest. It's just very it's just a difficult time.
Speaker 4: And it's just not a choice, is it, As you say, like,
Speaker 4: that's just not no, that's like, yeah, no one has
Speaker 4: any agency there.
Speaker 1: The other way too, I look at it is like
Speaker 1: to be more involved in local politics and more things
Speaker 1: involved with your community. Guess what that the gains that
Speaker 1: you can make would look easier if the Democrats kept
Speaker 1: the White House versus the Republicans taking the White House,
Speaker 1: and then what that means like just downwardly just in
Speaker 1: terms of an overall policy. But even then it's like
Speaker 1: that's that's the most like some people can like latch
Speaker 1: on just like well, at least it won't be worse.
Speaker 1: And I think that's just such a different beats like
Speaker 1: positioned to be trying to to change the country from that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a huge issue. It's a huge issue,
Speaker 1: and I really wish that, I really wish our capitalist
Speaker 1: overlords would take the ills of capitalism seriously.
Speaker 2: Oh maybe if we ask them nicely they will.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, there's like it's a tough one as well,
Speaker 4: isn't it. Like I don't I don't know about the
Speaker 4: US and the UK, there have been some studies that show, like,
Speaker 4: you know, big lobbying organizations and places like that like
Speaker 4: do a lot less under a labor government than under
Speaker 4: a Tory government, even if similar things are happening, because
Speaker 4: there's this like perception that's senter left is like safer
Speaker 4: and better. So it's like a it's a hard balance
Speaker 4: I think with that as well, where you're like, no,
Speaker 4: we actually still need to like really keep mobilizing and yeah,
Speaker 4: taking to the streets and.
Speaker 2: Doing all the things that we were doing under the tour.
Speaker 1: Yes, because I'm I'm under not I don't think anyone's
Speaker 1: under the impression it's like it's it's going to be
Speaker 1: a top down solution here. It's like, no, that's why
Speaker 1: you have to pour into things like locally, because that
Speaker 1: that's your immediate environment. Joe Biden doesn't give a fuck
Speaker 1: about North Hollywood or the San Fernanda, doesn't give a
Speaker 1: fuck unless he has a fundraiser there. But like the
Speaker 1: people that do, those are the people you live with,
Speaker 1: and those are the people that you need to have
Speaker 1: the bonds with to you know, resist any kind of
Speaker 1: real bullshit, like you know, totally like federally organized bullshit
Speaker 1: that might be in our future anyway. So uh, let's
Speaker 1: move on to flirting good exact and you know what
Speaker 1: that guy does. We like to violent, jarring fucking transitions. Baby.
Speaker 1: But anyway, ten Z, look, I'm glad, like millennials, we
Speaker 1: are officially washed and have become the hollowed out husks
Speaker 1: of what was once considered cool. Gen Z now has
Speaker 1: the mantle and now y'all are the generation that is
Speaker 1: killing an industry or destroying this custom whatever the fuck
Speaker 1: used to say about us. The latest body that gen
Speaker 1: Z caught now is that they've fucking it's the end
Speaker 1: of flirting. They have killed flirting. I really want to
Speaker 1: read this New York Post opening paragraph because the New
Speaker 1: York coorts post very conservative, really fucking stupid, and this
Speaker 1: is how they This is like their sort of vibe
Speaker 1: and talking about a gen Z killed flirting quote. Liking
Speaker 1: an Instagram story or sliding into someone's dms are ways
Speaker 1: to express romantic interest in the digital age, but technology
Speaker 1: may actually have made it harder for singles trying to
Speaker 1: score a date. Gen z ors especially struggle to master
Speaker 1: the art of flirting in an era of social media
Speaker 1: and dating apps. Quote. I think flirting is dying. Los
Speaker 1: Angeles resident Nikki san Janco's twenty four told NBC if
Speaker 1: someone thinks you're cute, they just ask you for your
Speaker 1: Instagram these days and then DM you or swipe up
Speaker 1: on your story to show they're interested. The state of
Speaker 1: dating today has been described as exhausting, as women online
Speaker 1: lament the nightmares difficulties of trying to find a man
Speaker 1: night marriage bro.
Speaker 3: It's like Freddy Krueger up in my dms?
Speaker 1: What the fuck is this? Like eighties rom com narrator
Speaker 1: version of society. It's like Kathy's just a woman trying
Speaker 1: to find a man. Yeah, Like the article mostly bashes
Speaker 1: gen Z like sort of painting them. It's like just
Speaker 1: super awkward and so online, Like they don't know how
Speaker 1: to even talk to another person. And I get the
Speaker 1: social anxiety part, like we even it's as millennials, we
Speaker 1: also have that. Yeah, but like buried in this bullshit
Speaker 1: is like a line about how younger people are opting
Speaker 1: to try and just date in person since apps are
Speaker 1: so shit, and that's I'm like, oh, there's there's the
Speaker 1: nugget there that you want to kind of pull out
Speaker 1: what they're doing, is there? It sounds like maybe they're
Speaker 1: moving towards something a little less like koy and superficial.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the author of this is mad that people don't
Speaker 3: send dick pics anymore. Like that's what it sounds like.
Speaker 3: It's like they haven't they've lost how to do the
Speaker 3: art of flirting. AKA when I send a picture of
Speaker 3: me touching my balls and I go, do you like?
Speaker 3: And then they don't respawn.
Speaker 1: And then like and then the local police constables knocking
Speaker 1: on my door. I don't mind any of this, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's also just sort of like because I feel like
Speaker 1: in the eighties and nineties, Like my brain was absolutely
Speaker 1: poisoned by eighties and nineties media that did not actually
Speaker 1: show how human beings interacted in a romantic capacity like
Speaker 1: I was. I was truly like, bro, you will die
Speaker 1: alone if you don't have the smooth pickup line. I
Speaker 1: don't know how to. I remember being obsessed with fucking winking.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you have to learn how to wink good.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that was what was your smooth pickup line?
Speaker 1: I didn't have one. I was so fucking I was
Speaker 1: like at Luckily, by the time I got to like
Speaker 1: high school, my whole thing was just being funny and outgoing,
Speaker 1: and I realized that was like that'll that'll bring the
Speaker 1: that'll bring the boys to the yard. As Calice said,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean my sense of humor. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I never I mean, like I would say stuff corny.
Speaker 1: The one thing I did like in the digital phone
Speaker 1: age is if I saw, like somebody I was attracted to,
Speaker 1: like trying to take a photo, I'll be like, oh,
Speaker 1: let me take a picture. Let me let me take
Speaker 1: that picture for you, and then I will put it
Speaker 1: on selfie mode and I would take a selfie of me.
Speaker 1: I still do.
Speaker 4: That I don't know if actually maybe I won't say
Speaker 4: his name, but there's like a pretty famous, like celebrity
Speaker 4: pundit man who I went saw at a conference and
Speaker 4: I was celebrity.
Speaker 3: He's giving you opinions away.
Speaker 4: He's like, then, like he's roughly the same age as me,
Speaker 4: and like we probably share friends.
Speaker 2: He's like in the same social circles. But I was like, no,
Speaker 2: you know, I had a couple of drinks, so I
Speaker 2: wasn't my best self. And he gave me his phone
Speaker 2: to take a picture of him and all of his mates,
Speaker 2: and I.
Speaker 4: Truly just took so many pictures of myself, and then
Speaker 4: he gave it back to me to do it again
Speaker 4: because he was annoyed, and then I did it again.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I really really haven't grown up that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Like at that point, it's not even flirting. It's just
Speaker 3: it's just hilarious spite and inside yourself.
Speaker 1: Ye hold it, you guys are nailing it. Keep doing that,
Speaker 1: keep doing that, you keep your legging your lego uh.
Speaker 3: Again, keeps giving it back to you, like do it better.
Speaker 3: You're like, okay, now I'm just gonna tweet some ship.
Speaker 1: The funny part is like even though I would do
Speaker 1: ship like that, they would be like oh ha haha,
Speaker 1: Like I had no way to transition from that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd be like, yeah, all right, I gotta go, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, fuck, that was so fucking anxiety to do.
Speaker 3: So I did step one, but I forgot there's more
Speaker 3: steps after.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was just like, did that part be a
Speaker 1: little be a little cutesy with him, the talking part,
Speaker 1: because it was it looked like weird. I remember, like,
Speaker 1: you can never be like I like you. They wouldn't
Speaker 1: even fucking murderer. Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: And I get pretty happy that gen Z have killed
Speaker 5: flooding then, because all of this stuff just feels like harassment.
Speaker 5: It just feels like a waste of everyone's time. I'm
Speaker 5: very happy if I get a nice TM or a
Speaker 5: heart on something it can help us.
Speaker 1: I like that exactly. I think, like I said, kill
Speaker 1: flirting because I didn't know how to do it and
Speaker 1: he didn't do anything for fucking me. But after going
Speaker 1: to therapy, guess what, Voicing my needs and being straightforward
Speaker 1: with people actually has done a lot for me. And
Speaker 1: if that's how we communicate, that would actually I think
Speaker 1: it's better for us in the long run, rather than
Speaker 1: being so fucking coy. It's like exhausting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got to learn to flirt with yourself, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Thank you, dude.
Speaker 3: That's the most healthy way of doing it. I didn't
Speaker 3: have pickup lines growing up. I think I had a
Speaker 3: long obsession with I have to get a dog because
Speaker 3: someone years ago told me that's the best way to
Speaker 3: pick up chicks quote unquote. And then eventually I forgot
Speaker 3: that's why I wanted a dog, and I just became
Speaker 3: dog obsessed and I was like, I can't get a
Speaker 3: girlfriend until I get a dog.
Speaker 1: Then I was like, I just have to get a dog.
Speaker 3: Look, yeah, now I just love dogs.
Speaker 1: Do you have a dog? No? Oh man, I already
Speaker 1: have a wife, but you have family. So yeah, in
Speaker 1: a way, you made good. You made good. I made good.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, amazing. All right, let's take a
Speaker 1: quick break. We'll come right back to discuss just the
Speaker 1: Reform Party in the UK. Just are they up to tricks?
Speaker 1: Are they not? I don't know, but it's a lot
Speaker 1: of weird shit and I want to talk about it
Speaker 1: with y'all after this and we're back and you know,
Speaker 1: while those of us here in the United States were
Speaker 1: just queuing up the burgers and dogs and you know,
Speaker 1: setting off Diablo fireworks that were basically military great explosives.
Speaker 1: Two big elections happened in Europe. In France, uh Marie
Speaker 1: la Penn dude, that far right National Rally Party came
Speaker 1: in third place. Oh and the looks on their faces,
Speaker 1: looking at like spank passes when they were like it
Speaker 1: was a while watching people process like the results, or
Speaker 1: they're like, wait, so worth, we're lave, We're last? Is
Speaker 1: there another? Is there oliby an update? And it looked
Speaker 1: like some people, some people had been in politics long
Speaker 1: enough you be like, all right, we're cooked. And other
Speaker 1: people were like is the I'm sorry, I'm new. I
Speaker 1: just I'm new to xenophobia. Can I speak? Yeah? No, no,
Speaker 1: get this off, change the channel, where's the right one?
Speaker 3: And then or whatever they say.
Speaker 1: But in the UK, the center left Labor Party toppled
Speaker 1: the Conservatives, the Tories who have been in power for
Speaker 1: fourteen years. But also it wasn't all good news. Uh.
Speaker 1: Nigel Farage's Reform UK Party won five seats in parliament,
Speaker 1: including one for Farage who this dude has been taking
Speaker 1: NonStop l's for a while, and I was like, he's not,
Speaker 1: Oh he's oh he got a seat, okay, oh okay,
Speaker 1: but yeah, they only had five seats, scored five seats. Again,
Speaker 1: apparently Reform garnered fourteen percent of the popular vote, which
Speaker 1: is that's that's too big. Yeah, But here's this is
Speaker 1: where things got like a little weird or interesting, right, So,
Speaker 1: like right after the election, people were asking, like, you know,
Speaker 1: the Reform UK party, like what's going on, Like, what's
Speaker 1: what's going on with like some of these candidates, Like
Speaker 1: are you running actual human beings? Like are these real people?
Speaker 1: Because some of the people on the on the website
Speaker 1: are just like names and like a constituency and not
Speaker 1: much else, no photos, no biographies or things like that.
Speaker 1: And you know, the Liberal Democrats then called on Reform
Speaker 1: to provide details about these mysterious candidates, and that's when
Speaker 1: they sort of conceded. Look like a lot of these
Speaker 1: were like what they call paper candidates to just help
Speaker 1: increase the party's vote share, so even if a candidate
Speaker 1: had no chance of winning, they still got some votes,
Speaker 1: boosting the overall popular vote and giving the party a
Speaker 1: cent of legitimacy, although a bit inflated.
Speaker 3: Can you explain what a paper candidate is? Though it's
Speaker 3: still a real person, right.
Speaker 5: It's there, a real person, but it's usually someone who's
Speaker 5: not based in that constituency.
Speaker 2: So they're just.
Speaker 5: They're from a different town completely, you have no connection
Speaker 5: to them, but they'll end up on your ballot paper.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: Then just do they know that they're running?
Speaker 2: They usually do.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think they've got heads up that they're running.
Speaker 5: But people in that town have no idea who they are.
Speaker 5: They haven't seen them before, they don't turn up for
Speaker 5: debates and things like.
Speaker 1: That, right, and so, and they're allowed like I mean,
Speaker 1: they call them carpetbaggers in the US, and you're an
Speaker 1: out of town or running all of a sudden. But again,
Speaker 1: this is just merely for the thing of like, well,
Speaker 1: if we put somebody on the ballot from that party,
Speaker 1: we can get a little bit of votes, and then
Speaker 1: that helps overall to kind of be like, yeah, look,
Speaker 1: we're here, we're here. Yeah. So one of the concerns
Speaker 1: that people had this is where it gets so stupid
Speaker 1: and AI begins to intersect with all of this, is
Speaker 1: there was like one of the candidates. They're like, is
Speaker 1: this a real person or a photo? Mister Mark Mattlocke, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because not a real guy.
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 1: It seems like an AI generated conservative.
Speaker 3: AI generated attorney.
Speaker 1: Yeah this is Mark Spencer. You're like, hold on, dude,
Speaker 1: what do you do? But because the photos he didn't like,
Speaker 1: he didn't appear in person at the vote count on
Speaker 1: election night, possibly because maybe he's just a hallucination of AI.
Speaker 1: He looks like, I feel like one of William and
Speaker 1: Kate's children grown up.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, it looks like the Milky bar
Speaker 2: kid grown up.
Speaker 1: Oh who's the milky bar kid?
Speaker 2: Now, maybe that's a British thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a British candy bar. And it's like a
Speaker 5: little kid with blonde hair and glasses and blue eyes.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: Is it like a milky way or is just.
Speaker 5: Milky just milky? Yeah, it's just milky.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I gotta find this milklky bar.
Speaker 2: There we go.
Speaker 1: Get that's him, milky bar guy, all growns up and
Speaker 1: running for parliament. So the picture I like, even yeah,
Speaker 1: looking at it, you're like this like, he looks like
Speaker 1: he has rubber face.
Speaker 3: Is as like.
Speaker 2: A real Uncanny Valley appearance to.
Speaker 1: Yeah one hundred percent, and then Matt Locke responded by
Speaker 1: claiming that he wasn't at the vote count because he
Speaker 1: was at a hospital with pneumonia. This is what he
Speaker 1: posted on exactly, I had pneumonia in my human lungs,
Speaker 1: you know, so.
Speaker 3: Just side note, please don't be offended. But that's the
Speaker 3: only British accent I could do.
Speaker 1: It's you're like a You're like a guy who didn't
Speaker 1: get cast as an orc in Lord of the Rings. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know that guy's doing too much for the
Speaker 1: boys all that. I think that's the one scene Americans
Speaker 1: really glom onto when the orcs are talking about not eating.
Speaker 3: Right because we all have meat and it's back on
Speaker 3: the menu.
Speaker 5: I said that quote every single day to really my
Speaker 5: favorite quot.
Speaker 1: Exactly everything to eat in, free, stink and die.
Speaker 5: It's all going, keep it going, accepted editions, Let's do it.
Speaker 1: You are not for eating about their legs? Are you
Speaker 1: fresh teeth? Oh my god? So Mark Mattlocke, the real guy.
Speaker 1: He clarified on Twitter what was going on quote. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: I will not be attending the count tonight as I
Speaker 1: have pneumonia. The hospital I visited was closed before it's
Speaker 1: closing time. I said to the nurse on a buzzer,
Speaker 1: I am struggling to breathe, and she said, call a number,
Speaker 1: vote reform. This is madness. This is like a fake
Speaker 1: anecdote to just be like a last minute rally cry
Speaker 1: for votes. What can you break down for me? What
Speaker 1: the fuck? He was even trying to say here, I
Speaker 1: don't know that it is confusing to everyone.
Speaker 5: So the hospital was closed before he before he got there.
Speaker 1: That like a dig at the NHS or something.
Speaker 5: I think it's fat enough to say that, Yeah, I
Speaker 5: think he's.
Speaker 1: Gonna yeah, he.
Speaker 2: Is not real.
Speaker 3: It's very clear that this is someone who this is
Speaker 3: like an AI going what's the most like human disease
Speaker 3: I can have? And it's like, oh, pneumonia, because you
Speaker 3: need to breathe to have pneumonia.
Speaker 1: Well, like so what the other thing is interesting too,
Speaker 1: because like this felt felt like a very like gork
Speaker 1: or whatever. The fucking Twitter AI chat right right yes,
Speaker 1: where people like kept casting aspersions on whether or not
Speaker 1: he was real. He responded to one of the people
Speaker 1: on Twitter said, quote, keep smoking the crack pipe and
Speaker 1: wondering what sexuality you are, which feels like such a
Speaker 1: rock or gork fucking thing like Elon musk brained, like yeah, transphobic,
Speaker 1: fucking drug abuse or whatever the fuck.
Speaker 3: To be honest, this picture this candidate Mark Matlock. The
Speaker 3: picture looks kind of like an AI version.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have Elon's eyes yeah and jowls. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: he turns out, at least according to The Guardian, I guess, well,
Speaker 1: we'll believe what they have to say. It turns out
Speaker 1: he is a real person. But the photo was AI generated,
Speaker 1: he said, because according to him, he wanted a photo
Speaker 1: where he was wearing a light blue tie to reflect
Speaker 1: the party's color. But that's what potographer. Yeah, he couldn't
Speaker 1: get a photographer on time.
Speaker 3: Literally, his eyes are two different colors in this photo.
Speaker 1: Zoom in. Oh well yeah it is a gradient.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we see the color of his tie in the No.
Speaker 1: I feel a little bit of big everyone, you know,
Speaker 1: like he did his best. But I'm guessing in England
Speaker 1: it is accepted that Mark Mattlocke is in fact a person.
Speaker 1: We've we've closed that chapter.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think it raises some questions because I
Speaker 5: think there's a lot of reform candidates that people just
Speaker 5: didn't see or know about, and it's a bit worrying
Speaker 5: that they got as many votes.
Speaker 2: As they did.
Speaker 5: But I'm not convinced this guy is real. I'm not
Speaker 5: convinced any of them are real.
Speaker 3: Well, it kind of like begs a wider question, which
Speaker 3: is like our fascists human and to be honest, well tell.
Speaker 1: Oh, well we'll end it on that note. Holly Jesse,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us on the Daily
Speaker 1: zite Geist. Where can the people find you? Follow you,
Speaker 1: listen to your wonderful podcast.
Speaker 5: They can find us on any podcast platform where everywhere
Speaker 5: at the moment. New episodes come out every Tuesday, and
Speaker 5: you can find us best on social media. I'm at
Speaker 5: Holly Cassio on most things, and Jesse, I'm at Jesse,
Speaker 5: j E s s E lou l o U Lawson.
Speaker 5: And just to say the name of a podcast again,
Speaker 5: it's long. It's because the bus belongs to us.
Speaker 1: Oh I may have not even said that fully at
Speaker 1: the top of the show, and I apologize, yes.
Speaker 2: You did, just because people.
Speaker 1: Sorry, it's it's been a long week. Just started exercising
Speaker 1: and it's taking up all my blood. Flow good for you.
Speaker 1: Is there a tweet that you all are liking, or
Speaker 1: another work of media, social or otherwise that you want
Speaker 1: to share with the class.
Speaker 5: I was actually going to say, I've really just been
Speaker 5: enjoying the videos of the right wing party in France losing.
Speaker 5: I've been watching that video every single day this week
Speaker 5: and it's just given me so much joy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's about like three different ones as I found, like,
Speaker 1: they're all they all have their.
Speaker 5: I'm watching a montage of all of them at the moment.
Speaker 5: It's on TikTok and I just it's just it's just
Speaker 5: so love.
Speaker 1: Watching the light go out of their little eyes. Ye's dolls, Jesse,
Speaker 1: how about you?
Speaker 2: Am I allowed to say a film? Does that count
Speaker 2: as absolutely?
Speaker 1: Absolutely?
Speaker 4: I was just gonna in just a slightly cheesy way
Speaker 4: because it was it's just finished being five months. There
Speaker 4: is a film about a bit of British history that's
Speaker 4: called The film is called Pride, and it's about lesbians
Speaker 4: and gay support the miners, which is an activist group
Speaker 4: that formed in the eighties. There was like a really
Speaker 4: long there's a year long miners strike in the nineteen
Speaker 4: eighties and yeah, this group of queer people from London
Speaker 4: were like, oh, like the same police, the same government,
Speaker 4: the same conservative attitudes are oppressing the miners as are
Speaker 4: pressing us. And they did this thing up Quis Solidarity
Speaker 4: where they raised money for this mining reviligi in Whales
Speaker 4: and if people, which it sounds like they are, are
Speaker 4: feeling depressed about politics and feeling powerless. It's a really
Speaker 4: nice film to watch to like give you hope.
Speaker 1: Basically I need some of that. Yeah, I mean, look
Speaker 1: we got us. That's the mantra basically till the very end.
Speaker 1: Matt again, thank you for joining me today. Where do
Speaker 1: the people find as you follow you, what's a tweet
Speaker 1: or other piece of media that you're vided with?
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me and you can follow me on
Speaker 3: Instagram at Matt Leave Jokes and listen to my podcast
Speaker 3: Bat Hasbara, the World's most moral podcast. It's about Israeli
Speaker 3: propaganda And a tweet that I've been loving is an
Speaker 3: image that Lauren Mackenzie at The Mackenzieist posted recently. It's
Speaker 3: the distracted boyfriend meme, but instead of the the boyfriend
Speaker 3: is a tongue next to him. His girlfriend is a vagina,
Speaker 3: but he's looking at a butthole that's walking. It's a
Speaker 3: beautiful drawing and I just, I don't know, just touched
Speaker 3: the spot in my.
Speaker 1: Heart like I thought it.
Speaker 3: It's just a very distracted boyfriend tongue looking at a buttons.
Speaker 1: Like that, And that's all I ever wanted. I'll ever
Speaker 1: need it. It's here in my arms, me me for real.
Speaker 1: Some tweets, I like, I don't know if y'all caught
Speaker 1: the fucking Miami vice discourse on Twitter. That's the whole thing.
Speaker 1: But someone just posted this like video on TikTok because
Speaker 1: someone was talking about the Michael Man Miami Vice video.
Speaker 1: Someone on TikTok posted this is from the TikTok user
Speaker 1: is at Cooper Flew the Coop and it says the
Speaker 1: masculine urge to look around stoically in a nightclub like
Speaker 1: you're in a Michael Man film, like I have fun.
Speaker 1: I neat fun right now.
Speaker 2: That is gen Z flirting right there.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. Sigma Ship hell yeah. And another two that
Speaker 1: like at alone in a boy band tweeted this fucking remix.
Speaker 1: It says not like Us by Kendrick Lamar, but it's
Speaker 1: goth and it's fucking where do we get the ship
Speaker 1: going to sale black one to them and then love
Speaker 1: just make sure you have a little sister from Oh
Speaker 1: my God, get.
Speaker 6: You honey down plan who Okay, y'all get get that
Speaker 6: ship in your fucking body too, because that shit fucking
Speaker 6: bags That is really cool.
Speaker 1: I gotta say that, that's a fucking perfect aesthetic. Anyway.
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