WEBVTT - Check Out "All the Smoke" Podcast 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:01.920 Piece to the planet. I go by the name of 0:00:02.000 --> 0:00:05.000 Charlemagne the God. Now maybe you know, maybe you don't, 0:00:05.040 --> 0:00:07.960 but I have partnered with iHeartRadio to launch a brand 0:00:07.960 --> 0:00:10.880 new network called The Black Effect. All right, podcast network, 0:00:11.200 --> 0:00:14.360 the place where black coaches celebrated in black voices are heard. 0:00:14.440 --> 0:00:16.479 One of the shows that you know, I love, I 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:18.840 was a fan of before we even partnered with each 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:22.320 other is My Man. Matt Barns and Stephen Jackson, collectively 0:00:22.360 --> 0:00:25.200 known is All a Smoke. Okay, All the Smokers, a 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:27.760 podcast that talks about basketball, but really they just talk 0:00:27.800 --> 0:00:30.400 about life. Man. And you know, Matt Barns and Stephen Jackson, 0:00:30.400 --> 0:00:33.080 they don't bite their tongue for nobody. Some people call 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:35.400 them out spoken, some people call them controversial. I just 0:00:35.400 --> 0:00:38.000 call them two real black men, all right, two real 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:41.479 men of color. I write, two real individuals period. All Right, 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:44.880 Matt Barns and Stephen Jackson. I've been on the show 0:00:45.159 --> 0:00:47.479 and that felt surreal for me because I'm such a 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:50.040 fan of the show man. But just to be able 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:51.919 to say those are my partners, and you know they 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:54.400 rocket with the Black Effect, that means more than you 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:56.160 would ever know. Man. So in the second you'll get 0:00:56.200 --> 0:00:58.360 to hear an episode I appeared on for the show, 0:00:58.560 --> 0:01:00.120 and if you like it, I hope you'll go on 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:03.360 All the Smoke in your podcast listening app and subscribe 0:01:03.640 --> 0:01:12.560 so you never missed an episode. Welcome back, season two, 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:16.960 All the Smoke from our beautiful New York location. Excited 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:19.520 about today's guest, someone I really look up to in 0:01:19.520 --> 0:01:22.320 this space, one of the strongest black voices to me 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:27.680 in the country, Charlotte Magne Matt, Thank you, bro, Thank 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:30.000 you for having me. Man. You know, I love All 0:01:30.040 --> 0:01:32.160 the Smoke. I love when I get this opportunity to 0:01:32.200 --> 0:01:39.120 actually be on shows that I actually listen. Yeah, we'll 0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:41.759 get into how we're really working together later, but let's 0:01:41.800 --> 0:01:45.240 just let's get into it. Man. The climate of America 0:01:45.480 --> 0:01:48.520 is on the brink of changing. I think it's it's 0:01:48.560 --> 0:01:51.600 finally reared. It's naked head and people are starting to 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:53.920 realize that there's some real issues here. What did you 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:56.760 just thought of where we're at as a society right now? 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:59.560 I think weever we're at, it's no going back. I'm 0:01:59.560 --> 0:02:01.800 one of them who have first voted in O eight 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:04.320 when President Obama, you know, in the White House, and 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:06.080 I'm beyonest. I only voted for him because he was black. 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:08.360 It was Blacknie was cool, he had the culture, you know. 0:02:09.240 --> 0:02:10.840 But I think right now a lot of us are 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:13.800 more politically sophisticated, and we understand that you have to 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:16.520 have the right people in the office to make certain 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:19.000 things happen, you know. And I think those rose colored 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:21.120 glasses that we all wore when Barack was in the 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:23.840 White House, that's over. Like, I don't care if it's 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:26.120 Joe Biden's into the Harris, whoever's in there. We're not 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:28.480 just gonna be in love with them because they're in there, 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:29.799 you know what I mean. That's not where the change 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:32.520 comes to change comes is continuing to push once they 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:34.239 get in the White House. So I think wherever we're 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:36.160 at in this country, there's no going back because both 0:02:36.160 --> 0:02:39.320 sides have been exposed right like we've been to it's 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:42.240 not all sweet and not The other side definitely knows 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:43.959 it's not all sweet. But then we also know that 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:48.240 there's a whole other side it talking about what are 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:50.280 you all this shit? You're talking about? What they're talking about. 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:52.920 That's what trips me out is we've been able to 0:02:52.919 --> 0:02:55.960 wake some people up and heighten their senses and step 0:02:56.000 --> 0:02:59.280 outside of themselves and be vulnerable to trying to understand 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:01.960 the pain that the black community goes through. But there's 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:04.480 a lot of people that feel like we're crazy for 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:06.840 even addressing this and what are we talking about it? 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:08.519 And it's all bullshit? Why why would they want to 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:11.040 relinquish that kind of power? Right? You know what I'm saying. 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:14.200 They got power, they got privileged, Why would they want 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:17.520 to relinquish it. We're definitely gonna have to fight for that, right. 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:19.520 I kind of honestly like we're gonna be in this 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:24.160 spot until Indian and Black bood have a fingerprint on 0:03:24.200 --> 0:03:26.600 the constitution of how this country's actually ran, because the 0:03:26.680 --> 0:03:29.240 president only can do so much, right, you know what 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:31.080 I'm saying. And then again, I don't believe in voting 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:34.239 for the lesser evil evil. It's evil, you know what 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:37.120 I'm saying. And if we understand that the system is 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:38.800 built for us to be in this position, is still 0:03:38.840 --> 0:03:40.640 fighting to this day that we have to have us 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:43.320 say so how it's ran, and that's really the only 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:45.360 way we're gonna stop this shit, you know what I'm saying. 0:03:45.360 --> 0:03:46.800 Because a lot of times, like I said, we vote 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:48.920 for people that we don't even that happy histories of 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:51.280 hating us. Absolutely, you know what I'm saying, So what 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:53.320 kind of what kind of situation is that? You know, 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:55.880 I'm so we vote for somebody who we know hate us. 0:03:56.200 --> 0:03:58.080 They don't make no sense the way I kind of 0:03:58.120 --> 0:04:01.360 look at that situation though, And since well, since we're 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:03.920 here now, I think as the black community, we ask 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:07.280 people to understand and try to grow if you were 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:09.360 a certain way. So at the first thing everyone points 0:04:09.360 --> 0:04:11.760 out is Biden's tracker, And by no mean am I 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:14.280 justifying anything. That's just kind of just the way I 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:16.080 kind of look at it. We look at his track record, 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:19.120 and he could definitely say he was against the black community. Yeah, 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:21.960 eighty six eighty six mandatory minimum senting saying eighty eight 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:24.159 crack laws and you got more time for crackton Code 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:27.040 ninety four crime bill like yeah, so you can definitely. 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:31.640 So for him to say anything other to me, I 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:33.680 just you're right, I made a mistake. That's what I 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:35.800 want to hear. That's it. And then to me, But 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:37.839 like I said, so, the way I'm looking at his tracker, 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:40.560 he's quick, and look at your tracker getting ship. It's 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:42.760 gonna be honest with you. But to me, it's just like, 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:46.680 can he possibly change? Can he possibly see through a 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:49.839 different lens? Did being with brought for that amount of 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:51.800 time rub off on him? So we're looking at someone 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:54.160 who can possibly have changed where he came from. On 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:56.599 the other hand, we know who this other, who the 0:04:56.640 --> 0:04:59.400 current president is, what he's about, what is makeup is, 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:02.520 who is base is. So to me, it's just like 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:04.880 people say the lesser two evils, and I would agree 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:06.720 to an extent. But I'm looking at someone who can 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:09.600 possibly have changed, and if he's in office, he's gonna 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:11.520 have to prove that he changed, because we realize he 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:13.440 realized he could be gone after one tournament if he's 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:15.160 able to make it. Or are we picking someone who 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:17.400 we know who he is? Yeah, I don't even look 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:19.200 at Joe Biden as a change agent. I look at 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:21.600 him as a pathway to change. And I honestly feel 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:24.440 like keeping the seat one old white male leadership that 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:26.520 ain't the pathway to change. The more old white male 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:29.680 leadership is in his position, know what I mean? From 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:33.240 the inception of how this country was put together, it 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:38.240 was built for this old white male patriarchy. And everybody 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:41.520 else was considered secondary fourth. So I don't look at 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:43.880 either one of them as change agents. I definitely don't 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:45.680 look at Biden as a change as definitely don't look 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:47.400 at Trumps the change ad. But I think Biden is 0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:49.440 a pathway to change, right, you know what I mean? 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:53.240 And it like you say talking about forgiving, let me 0:05:53.279 --> 0:05:54.840 go back to that, because you know how they do us. 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:57.560 We could be on TV, that's right, all the stuff 0:05:57.600 --> 0:05:59.599 we're doing right now, that's right. We got a great show, 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:01.920 all the stuff I'm doing in the community. As soon 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:03.520 as I get on seeing then the person they do 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:05.080 is talk about the brawl. That's right, you know what 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:06.280 I'm saying. But they want to, but they want to 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:12.040 don't work like that. That's that's why I personally don't 0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:15.320 give a fuck about criticizing and Joe Biden. Like you 0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:17.880 shouldn't criticize Joe Biden. You're gonna ruin his chances after 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:21.320 all that? Like why can't I not critique him, call 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:23.760 out his flaws, call out his record, and still vote 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:25.840 for him? Right? Like what kind of world do we 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:27.960 live in? One posted this shy Just be quiet, That's 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:29.960 what that's literally, he's like, you're telling people to shut 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:32.479 up and vote the way people tell athletes to shut 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:34.400 up and dream. Like. I'm not gonna shut up and vote. 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:36.760 I'm a vote based off my interest and I'm gonna 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:38.520 call out the things I don't like. And if you 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:40.640 put some things on the table that I do, like, hey, 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:42.719 I rock with that. And you're saying, forget this person. 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:44.919 But you got a cousin that took two dollars from you, 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:46.800 that you that you grew up with your whole life 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:52.560 between forgating me one time. Ain't forgating me still two 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:56.719 dollars everything a little bit to the social justice movement, 0:06:56.760 --> 0:06:59.440 you know. I kind of feel like when Kobe passed, 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:02.919 it was it's been a domino effective negative things to 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:09.520 happen since then. We before life ain't been the same, right, 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:11.160 I ain't gone. I feel like there was a bitching 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:16.680 the matrix after that. She had just been going like Dawn. 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:18.360 It's a great point, you know. So we get to 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:22.280 the pandemic, and then we get to the George Floyd situation, which, 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:24.360 you know, my man right here was was front and 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:28.480 the biggest or if not the biggest so testing in 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:31.240 the history of our country. What was your take from 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:34.640 from all that. When that George Floyd video hit, man, 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:36.960 I remember exactly why I was at because I was 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:39.040 trying to avoid it, and the reason I was trying 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:41.200 to avoid it because I think, sometimes, man, we passed, 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:43.520 We just passed trauma amongst each other. You know, you 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:46.440 be on social media and it's another video of the 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:48.320 video of this person, the video of that person. It's 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:49.920 just like, damn, who were trying to prove we know 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:52.600 what's going to get in our country, Like, yeah, the 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:54.760 other side need to see that. And I remember my 0:07:54.800 --> 0:07:56.720 homegirl called me. It was actually it was difficly had 0:07:56.880 --> 0:07:58.440 she called me and we was on the phone and 0:07:58.440 --> 0:07:59.960 she was telling me about it and she was crying, 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:01.600 and I'm like, man, I'm trying to avoid it. And 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:05.160 as I'm watching CNN, the video pops up, so I 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:08.000 was forced to look at it. And I think that 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:10.800 the reason that video was so impactful is because of 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:13.040 that exact reason. A lot of us that know what's 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:15.680 going on, we can avoid it. A lot of white 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:17.680 people can definitely avoid it because that ain't even that 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:19.720 world at all. But when we were forced to be 0:08:19.840 --> 0:08:22.840 still because of that coronavirus, and we sitting at home 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:24.640 and we got to watch that eight minutes and forty 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:27.960 six seconds. Man, when I saw that, my immediate thought 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:29.920 was I felt defeated. And the reason I felt defeated 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:32.000 because I'm like, man, if this this black man can 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:35.240 be out in broad daylight, this cops kneeling on his neck. 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:37.520 I'm watching all the other brothers and sisters around just 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:40.040 feeling hopeless, you know what I mean, not knowing what 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:41.959 to do in that moment. I know they want to help, 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:43.520 I know they want to react, but they don't want 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:46.520 to end up there. It's just like I felt defeated. 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:48.880 I'm like, what do what? What do we do? And 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:51.000 then when I saw everybody start tannh it up and 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:53.480 burnish it down, I'm like, what's the what other reaction 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:55.520 did you expect from people? Like? It's only but so 0:08:55.679 --> 0:08:59.240 much yea, a community of people can take. Especially in 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:01.560 the city wars been going on, a lot of people 0:09:01.559 --> 0:09:04.199 didn't even know that. Well, I say, when the George 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:07.040 Floyd situational hit. Unfortunately, when we've, like you said, we've 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:10.240 become so immune to it. We see police brutality, it's 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:13.280 it's a shot and kill. We saw for nearly nine minutes, 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:16.200 a man suffer and vague and plead and called for 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:18.280 his dead mom. You know what I mean, Like, I 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:20.800 think that having to see, like you said, having to 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:23.600 see that because the world was still, is the reason 0:09:23.760 --> 0:09:26.520 that the light came on. And some people said. But 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:29.400 then at the same time, instantly he did this and 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:31.960 his his past as this, and he he was he 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:34.120 was resisting, and he was doing all this and he 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:36.600 you know, he had underlying, Like I mean, even the 0:09:36.960 --> 0:09:40.160 corner came out and gave you know, a bullshit, you know, 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:43.440 an autopsy results. So it's crazy that even when we 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:46.640 when it's on your face in front of your children, 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:49.040 to your grandmother and everyone can see it, you still 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:51.400 try to deny shit. Yeah, it was the lack of empathy. 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:53.719 For me, it was just the lack of empathy of 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:56.800 watching that that that that devil have his knee on 0:09:56.800 --> 0:09:59.360 on the brother's neck. And no, you mean to tell 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:03.040 me not one other officers had the empathy to be like, yo, seconds, 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:07.200 god damn, not one until you've seen the other interview, 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:09.160 I mean, the other view where they're going outside of 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:13.120 quite all of them. It's like, yo, what faith are 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:16.160 we supposed to have? Is black people in this system, 0:10:16.280 --> 0:10:18.679 like seriously, like that, I don't can't remember the young 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:20.680 lady neighbor when she said they should be lucky. Black 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:22.960 people just want equality and not revenge. That is a 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:26.719 very powerful statement to meet because it's the truth, Like 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:29.480 we should all just be tearing this shit up based 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:32.160 off the history that we based off what we've gone 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:33.800 through in this country. And then the first thing they 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:35.560 want to point out is the fact that things are 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:37.640 getting torn up, but they never want to talk about, like, well, 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:40.080 why is it getting torn up? Why are they doing 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:42.800 They're just there were just wild animals. That's the way 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:45.360 they want to pay us an act. But let's address 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:49.040 why they're frustrated, why they're Why did Kentucky board up 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:52.680 the downtown before they gave the result of the cops 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:55.400 because it wasn't because they knew. Why did they tell 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:57.520 the cops not to go on vacation and stay like 0:10:57.520 --> 0:10:59.800 because they knew they weren't going to serve justice, Like, 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:02.719 let's look at the root issue of why this other 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:04.880 shit is happening. I loved it too though, because it 0:11:04.960 --> 0:11:08.080 activated so many people in our community, like of all colors. Man, 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:11.280 when I saw Stephen and Trey and Tamika at that 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:14.200 press conference. Man, I'm just like, wow, you know, and 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:16.600 I know that it was people telling you to stand down. 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:18.480 They're like, oh, Steven, you're good. You got pild of 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:22.120 dollars what you care for? But what was that like? Though? 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:23.720 But they said they I mean, you know, I didn't 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:25.480 pay no attention to it, you know how I am. 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:28.480 You know, I've always been my brother's keeople, you know 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:30.640 what I mean. And like I said, that's the closest 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:32.800 person I can said of my twin ever in my life. 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:35.040 You know, even though he wasn't real brothers, but I 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:36.480 did with him what I do for any one of 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:38.760 my brothers. You know what I'm saying. If it costs 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:40.400 me to go stand up and use my voice and 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:43.880 my status to speak up for justice place for anybody, 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:46.040 you know, I was gonna do it, head up chests. 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:47.880 But what was it like for you? You've been a 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:50.720 leader in locker rooms and on the floor, But what 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:53.320 to like being a leader or a culture for a 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:56.440 movement for something that was the country has never seen, 0:11:56.640 --> 0:11:59.040 the world has never seen. I just leave with my heart, bro, 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:00.920 just try to do what I know is right. You 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:03.319 know what I'm saying, I treat everybody the same. I 0:12:03.360 --> 0:12:05.880 don't have a history of racism. I don't have a 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:09.240 history of hate towards nobody. So I walk in high 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:10.319 I talk it. You know what I mean. I wear 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:12.719 my emotions on my sleeve and what you see is 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:14.320 what you get with me. But at the same time, 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:16.920 I know I don't have all the answers. You know 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:19.120 what I'm saying. I know, just like we talked about, 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:21.679 I might not see what I'm fighting for, you know 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:23.400 what I'm saying, But as long as I have, I 0:12:23.440 --> 0:12:24.559 know I had a hand in it. You know what 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:26.520 I'm saying. I know I'm living up my death is 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:29.160 gonna be worthy. How do you feel even though you 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:33.280 are doing what's right, you're met with so much pushback, resistance, 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:35.839 death threats, Like how does that? Because I'm sure you've 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:41.160 probably faced it. Europe very vocal in space, especially on 0:12:41.200 --> 0:12:45.040 social media. I get them so much. It's just like, okay, 0:12:45.080 --> 0:12:47.040 you want to see me that I can literally tweet 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:48.760 out thank you God for blessing me with another day 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:50.160 of life, and somebody be like I was praying you 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:55.560 die literally every day, right. But what they don't know 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:58.480 is when they do stuff like that, you're just showing 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:02.160 how much you die inside, be showing how your life is. 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:05.320 And I'm powerful, we are, And then that they see, 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:07.079 like Tournament said, why would they ever want to give 0:13:07.080 --> 0:13:10.199 that away? Because they see us. They've done everything they 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:14.160 possibly can to keep a whole community, a whole set 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:16.960 of people down. We continue to climb the ladder. But 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:18.840 that's gonna be divine though. I always say that, like 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:21.120 when I'll be speaking about black privilege, right and no 0:13:21.200 --> 0:13:22.559 people hear me say that. It's like, oh, I don't 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:24.080 know this thing as black privilege, but I'm not talking 0:13:24.120 --> 0:13:26.840 about something systemic. I'm talking about something spiritual. Yeah, you 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:28.480 know what I'm saying. I really do feel like it's 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:30.560 a privilege and I honored to be in this black skin. 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:33.720 And I feel like where they're power line systemically, all 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:36.880 power lies spiritually. And I feel like that's why things 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:40.280 are shifting that because for I'm not gonna say for 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:41.800 the first time, but for the first time in probably 0:13:41.840 --> 0:13:45.079 a long time, it's a collected mindset of black people 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:49.079 saying no, something has to change, and they're putting energy 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:51.839 towards that and speaking it into the universe and it's 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:55.280 just like things are literally shifting around us systemically. Now 0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:58.080 we're getting the chance to really get like some some 0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:01.439 systemic change happening. So I think it's a beautiful thing. 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:02.920 At the end of the day when this year is old, 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:04.760 but we're gonna look back and be like that was 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:06.920 the that was the year. That was the cat change. 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:09.080 You know, I faced a lot of kickback personally because 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:11.520 I'm biracial. You know, my mom is Italian, my dad 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:12.960 is black, and people are like, well, how are you 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:14.960 so this isn't that Because I've seen the good and 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:17.400 bad on both sides. I've got it. I was growing up. 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:19.200 I was never white enough, I was never black enough. 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:21.400 So I've seen the good side and bad side from 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:23.440 both sides. But there was an incident in high school 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:26.000 that KKK came in nearly damn near burned my high 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:27.840 school down. And that's when I realized, like, no matter 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:29.600 how proud I am to be a biracial like, I'm 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:36.280 looked at as a black man. I never knew he was. 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:42.240 If you mean his daddy, you were like, yeah, you nigga, 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:45.360 you meet his daddy, bros. Daddy the change two fifteen 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:48.600 in the morning that's how purple he is. Yeah, people 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:51.240 don't understand, like, what are you talking about your half white? 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:53.040 I'm just say you're right, and I'm very proud to 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:55.200 be that. But in this world you're not as a 0:14:55.200 --> 0:14:57.280 biracial person, you don't get a choice. They make it 0:14:57.280 --> 0:14:59.800 for you. Like Obama's biracial, But what is he our 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:02.520 first black president? You know what I mean? So if 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:04.280 you could have drop a drop of black in you, 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:06.840 that's what you are. And people have a hard time 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:09.000 even from the black side. You know you ain't black, 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:11.760 all right, you got me, you know what I mean. 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:13.800 So it's just like it's there's a lot of inter 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:16.360 battles amongst the bigger battles that need to kind of 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:19.200 decease and understand men, if we come together as black 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:21.840 and brown and then all of our other allies throughout 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:24.920 the rainbow of colors, we can really make a change. 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:26.240 But that's the only way we're gonna do it. It's 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:28.080 not just going to be basketball in the bubble. It's 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:30.800 not just going to be celebrities. It's gonna take all 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:33.200 of us together to change something we didn't create in 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:34.920 the first place. Do you feel like a sense of 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:39.280 privilege me, yeah, never never never have people. Well, you're rich, 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:48.560 but people are like you, like you said earlier, like Jack, 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:50.640 stand down, you're rich like people. That's the first you 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:52.680 got money. You don't feel like when we came from 0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:55.520 this this movie. We came from foodstances, we came from 0:15:55.520 --> 0:15:58.640 sharing bedrooms, we came from moving. I came from drugs 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:00.720 and drug abuse and violence and you know all that 0:16:00.800 --> 0:16:02.720 kind of ship. I mean privilege from the white side 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:06.640 though the police because I never said I wouldn't say privilege. 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:10.160 I get lucky because I played basketball sometimes, so they'll 0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:13.520 recognize that side. But as far as just nah, because 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:15.560 regular every day life, A police always can't tell that 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:19.440 you right, half white. He don't don't care, don't give 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:21.080 a fuck if you telling them that. He probably like, 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:23.280 we got somebody here on drugs right now? Can you 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:26.160 sit more backup? Police? What do you feel like the 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:29.920 NBA's role has been in the bubble and did you 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:31.800 kind of like the idea of them going back or 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:34.080 did you think they shouldn't. I like the idea And 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:36.000 tell Stephen made me think twice about it when you 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:40.800 say I was all for it. I know Stephen saying 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:43.320 man they don't need to come back. We need to 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:45.800 you know, this is a chance to get some real change. 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:48.160 And I was like, damn. So that was a whole 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:50.600 other conversation that started. Should they go back, they not 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:53.120 go back, and um, I felt like they should have 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:57.400 went back because I knew eventually the news cameras were 0:16:57.400 --> 0:17:00.080 gonna go away from the protest right, and being I 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:02.480 knew the news cameras were gonna go away, we needed 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:05.000 those brothers on that stage to do it exactly what 0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:09.280 I mean, to keep that conversation going. They did, Lebron did, 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:10.920 and I heard you said. I think it was the 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:12.600 first episode of all this smoke where you was talking 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:17.280 about how the little known players they didn't have a voice. 0:17:17.320 --> 0:17:19.440 We wouldn't heard, we wouldn't hurdle exactly. But now when 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:23.159 they speak at that bubbles the NBA logo, And that 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:25.000 was my only pushing in. Jack and I, you know, 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:27.640 agreed to disagree, and most saw points on most sides 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:30.200 because we were on opposite spectrums. Like I thought, just 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:32.479 what you said, like, their voice is much stronger, it's 0:17:32.480 --> 0:17:35.160 gonna resonate, it's gonna go around the world. When they 0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:39.000 have the NBA logo, behind it. Individually, We're gonna hear Lebron, 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:41.320 We're gonna hear CP. But do we hear docs plea? 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:43.360 Do we hear George Hills plea? Do we hear Fred 0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:45.680 van Pleep? Like we don't hear these other Please? If 0:17:45.720 --> 0:17:49.399