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Speaker 1: All the Smoke from our beautiful New York location. Excited

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Speaker 1: And you hit on the head. Three hundred million sounds

427
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Speaker 1: like a lot to the average people, but over ten

428
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Speaker 1: years and well, if you think about these owners are

429
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Speaker 1: playing each you know, they're two star players over three

430
00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:03,440
Speaker 1: hundred million, you know what I mean. So it's not

431
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Speaker 1: for thirty people to come up. It's that wasn't I

432
00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:08,600
Speaker 1: think it's a great start, but I think it's not enough,

433
00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:11,000
Speaker 1: and we have to continue to keep pressure on them

434
00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,119
Speaker 1: because they're you know, their arenas are in these predominantly

435
00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,760
Speaker 1: poor cities, and you know, people have to budget a

436
00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:18,920
Speaker 1: whole month's salary to go to a game and take

437
00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,760
Speaker 1: a family and to get food and to buy you know,

438
00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:23,679
Speaker 1: merchandise and that kind of stuff. So like I like

439
00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,080
Speaker 1: Robert Smith's two percent planning where he wanted all of

440
00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:29,399
Speaker 1: these top corporations to put two percent of their net

441
00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,640
Speaker 1: income into black owned banks because then the black owned

442
00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:35,360
Speaker 1: banks could take care of basically of the community people want.

443
00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:39,080
Speaker 1: They get loans and house loans, whatever it is. That

444
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Speaker 1: that's something that NBA should commit to because a lot

445
00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,360
Speaker 1: of these problems that we have in these communities can

446
00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:46,400
Speaker 1: be fixed by people with money. Film gotta wait on government,

447
00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:48,760
Speaker 1: so they should be talking. And I also think the

448
00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,119
Speaker 1: NBA needs something kind of like the NFL has with

449
00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,679
Speaker 1: the Inspire Change thing, you know what I mean, Like, uh,

450
00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:56,760
Speaker 1: the thing Rock Nation them is heading like they need

451
00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:00,760
Speaker 1: somebody to dictate where that money goes to the brothers

452
00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:03,639
Speaker 1: that's already on the ground doing things. And it's not

453
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Speaker 1: necessarily a big name some of these big name corporations

454
00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:08,680
Speaker 1: just sucking money away and it's not we don't have nope,

455
00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:10,840
Speaker 1: but get in touch. You should have it, like a

456
00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,119
Speaker 1: city leader in every city that you trust, or some

457
00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:14,920
Speaker 1: kind of liaison that tells you, like, you know, that

458
00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,080
Speaker 1: group of there's really doing something for that that group

459
00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,640
Speaker 1: of there's this, So let's allocate let's through them three million,

460
00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:21,320
Speaker 1: Let's throw them seven you know what I mean To

461
00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,159
Speaker 1: really know where the money is because until you're walking,

462
00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:27,520
Speaker 1: because every neighborhood is different. Houston's problems, in Atlanta's problems

463
00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,520
Speaker 1: are different than the problems in sacrament in Oakland, you

464
00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:31,600
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So you have to be in

465
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Speaker 1: tune with who's in these cities to see which programs

466
00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,560
Speaker 1: best fit and best work in these cities. But there

467
00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:40,200
Speaker 1: needs to be transparency on where this money is definitely going.

468
00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:44,080
Speaker 1: I thought the NBA did a great job of keeping

469
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Speaker 1: the players safe first and foremost, with being in the

470
00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,880
Speaker 1: bubble and being tested and doing a great job at that.

471
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Speaker 1: And then you see this administration reckless, maskless, calling it

472
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Speaker 1: a hoax, making fun of whatever, and now the president

473
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Speaker 1: has it like what kind of irony? I don't I

474
00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:07,280
Speaker 1: don't think that's irony. I think he earned it. I

475
00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,320
Speaker 1: think I think he earned it, and he got exactly

476
00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,920
Speaker 1: what he deserved. Like if you're gonna throw your middle

477
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:14,960
Speaker 1: finger to something and act like it doesn't exist, that's

478
00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,000
Speaker 1: usually the thing that points you right in your face.

479
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,240
Speaker 1: And that's what happened with COVID. And what did he

480
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,280
Speaker 1: say when he got the number of how many people?

481
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Speaker 1: Does it is? What it is? Is? What it is,

482
00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,680
Speaker 1: so you can'tnot feel bad for people feeling like that

483
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:28,680
Speaker 1: towards him. No, I'm not. I'm the type of person

484
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:30,880
Speaker 1: I don't wish death on nobody. I don't wish death

485
00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:32,720
Speaker 1: on him at all. But I don't even believe he

486
00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,080
Speaker 1: really got the ship. He would have to die in

487
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,480
Speaker 1: order to be believe that he got it. I'm being

488
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Speaker 1: honest with you. Because it's October. We got that whole

489
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,800
Speaker 1: October surprise thing going on, and you saw someone tweeted

490
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:44,720
Speaker 1: maybe two weeks ago, this is gonna be I posted

491
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Speaker 1: it the other day. Since this is gonna be Trump's

492
00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,520
Speaker 1: October surprises, He's gonna be sick, and he's gonna dominate

493
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,720
Speaker 1: the headlines for two weeks on how hard he's working

494
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:55,000
Speaker 1: with these fake pictures of him working and scribbling his

495
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,240
Speaker 1: name on it. Polutely like. The gimmicks are incredible. And

496
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Speaker 1: it might be a cash out plan, right if he

497
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,119
Speaker 1: know that he leaving in in November, he know he

498
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Speaker 1: getting voted out, he might have an investment into the

499
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,520
Speaker 1: pharmaceutical company, and he's out there telling people he's taking

500
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,240
Speaker 1: these experimental cocktails. I saw the stock shoot up for

501
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Speaker 1: UM someone the r leach. It's someone I can't remember

502
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 1: the name of the pharmaceutical company, but it's shot up

503
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Speaker 1: two percent after he told everybody he took this experimental cocktail,

504
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,359
Speaker 1: and they from Queen's He from queens, the people, the

505
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:26,199
Speaker 1: founders of the company. I don't know. That's just how

506
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:30,320
Speaker 1: I be thinking. He's always had a mean hustle to me,

507
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Speaker 1: before this presidency and before he kind of showed his

508
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Speaker 1: head or whatever hand he's had to play to get

509
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Speaker 1: to where he's at. He's always had a mean He

510
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,120
Speaker 1: hasn't always won, but he's always been a mean, hustling

511
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 1: business happy trying to benefit. He got a motive in

512
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Speaker 1: everything he's doing. Bro. I mean, it's what role would

513
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 1: you like to see the black community play, um, not

514
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 1: only amongst us coming together, but on the federal level

515
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Speaker 1: and the state level of power. We need more black

516
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Speaker 1: people wanting to be a part of that system. You

517
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,360
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Because even though I think the

518
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 1: whole system needed to be overhauled, everything, I think they

519
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 1: need to start over. We need to write a whole

520
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 1: new constitution, a whole new Bill of rights, everything, because

521
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,200
Speaker 1: we were not at that table when those things were

522
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 1: initially written. But until we can do that. We got

523
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 1: to have people that are in these positions of power,

524
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 1: and we have to empower them in order to be

525
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Speaker 1: able to give them the strength they need to stand

526
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 1: up to that system. Because what happens is a lot

527
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 1: of us getting those positions and we just go along

528
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 1: to get along. You know what I'm saying, We're just

529
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 1: trying to rock the boat too much. It's just like, so,

530
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:30,880
Speaker 1: what's what's the point of you being there? We don't

531
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,679
Speaker 1: need black faces, you know, in those spaces just because

532
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 1: I want you in there because you care about our interest.

533
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Speaker 1: So I would encourage. Like when I see Scarface running

534
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 1: for political officers in Houston, I like that. Yeah, I

535
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 1: want to do something like that. Yeah, I know you

536
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 1: want to run from man. I want to see Killer

537
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:48,159
Speaker 1: Mike getting the polost. I want to see people that

538
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 1: I know have our interests at heart get involved. Now,

539
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 1: a lot of us might be scared because we know

540
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,399
Speaker 1: the background checks is crazy, but who cares. You know

541
00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:01,679
Speaker 1: what I'm saying sounds crazy too, absolutely, So I just

542
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 1: want to see more of us in those positions of power,

543
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,959
Speaker 1: and I want them to know that we got their

544
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:10,479
Speaker 1: back and we're empowering them to really show up as

545
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 1: they full self. That's really the biggest thing. Right, You're right,

546
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 1: because that's been our biggest problem. We're scared to get

547
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 1: behind our brother and even though we know any going

548
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 1: in direction, we're scared to get behind it because we

549
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 1: want to lead instead of just following him and get

550
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 1: a team player. That's our biggest problem. I always say,

551
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 1: you can get you can get way more done when

552
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 1: you stop worrying about who get the credit for it, right,

553
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:30,159
Speaker 1: I mean that's what That's a doc rivers thing. Be

554
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 1: a star in your role. I mean everyone has a

555
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 1: role to play. We can all we all have a

556
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,880
Speaker 1: role to playing together. You know who the leaders are

557
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,360
Speaker 1: like and I see to me, Tomka Mallory is my leader. Yeah,

558
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 1: if you have to, you have to call yourself the leader.

559
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 1: You're probably not the bride, not the leading one. That's

560
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 1: like if you have to give yourself a nickname, my nigga,

561
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 1: that's not really your nickname. You know your name. I'm right,

562
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 1: someone else because you're so doping. What you're doing is

563
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,119
Speaker 1: how you're supposed to be a leader or how you

564
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,680
Speaker 1: get these nicknames. So anyway, so how do we get

565
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 1: to this point? You're upbringing your parents Jehovah Witness. You're

566
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 1: dad was from from Jehovah to practicing Islam. Um, what

567
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,400
Speaker 1: was that like growing up in a situation like that.

568
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,120
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, when you're a kid, you don't

569
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 1: really have no say it no matter. You know. My

570
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,719
Speaker 1: grandmother's Baptist mom and Jehovah Witness. My mom said get up,

571
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 1: and there's time to go to the Kingdom. All this

572
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 1: time to go to the Kingdom Hall. When my dad

573
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 1: gets this fellowship from the Kingdom Hall, he gets into

574
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: Islam and he hands me the autobiography of Malcolm X.

575
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 1: I read the Autobiography of Malcolm X when he hands

576
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 1: Messed to the Black Man by Alijah Muhammad. I Messed

577
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 1: to the Black Man by Ali Muhammad. When he tells

578
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 1: me to sit down and you're gonna watch these speeches

579
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Speaker 1: from Donovan and flu Back Grun. I sai down and

580
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 1: I watched those speeches. It's really just about what sticks

581
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 1: with you as you get older than what I realized

582
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 1: is a little bit, a little bit of all of it.

583
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,159
Speaker 1: The stuff that jehoa Witness has taught, it's stuck with me.

584
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 1: You know, it's stuff for the holidays, my wife and

585
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 1: kids love the holiday, so we definitely do Christmas. But

586
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 1: being a Muslim Islam, like all of that stuff sticks.

587
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 1: I don't really consider myself anything. But there's a little

588
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 1: bit of everything, a little bit of all of them.

589
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 1: If you got to re learn yourself, you gotta reteach

590
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:58,640
Speaker 1: yourself too. A lot of stuff that I was tart

591
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,880
Speaker 1: as a kid, I don't believe now because as a

592
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 1: as a as a man adult, I understand stuff differently.

593
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: You know. It's a lot of stuff was told in

594
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,400
Speaker 1: a point of view, but it's a lot of stuff

595
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 1: is told you as a kid to really to put

596
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 1: a band aid over some shit and not really give

597
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 1: you the full understanding. But as you come adult that

598
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 1: some of those things you don't believe you understand now.

599
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 1: I heard you say I don't even know what show

600
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,640
Speaker 1: was if we're just talking off air. Blat the weed

601
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 1: in my heart that you've learned more in this this

602
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 1: last six eight months than you remember learning your whole life. Yeah,

603
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 1: like educated yourself in and made the effort because I

604
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: want to know what I'm talking about. You know, I

605
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 1: ain't never talked to you about going back to school

606
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: and get my history degree. You know what. I'm in

607
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: the process of doing that because it sparked when when

608
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Speaker 1: Brod died. It sparks something God put me in a

609
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: position out at the naxt for like I always say,

610
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Speaker 1: but it sparks something maybe that was supposed to happen.

611
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,919
Speaker 1: And my heart is in the right place. So everything

612
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: that I'm trying to do, I want to know what

613
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,439
Speaker 1: I'm talking about, being educated about what I'm saying. I

614
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 1: feel the same way. I just know that I'm never

615
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: gonna be as smart as some people like you hit

616
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Speaker 1: Michael Leric Dyson talk Oh yeah, no killing mic talk like,

617
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: hey man, they just got it. I just I just

618
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: wanted words. Yeah. To me, my thing is just knowing

619
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. I can't be you know what

620
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 1: I mean. Some people are blessed to be educated and

621
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: be able to just spit that like some of these

622
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 1: routes like jay Z is just very intelligent. They could

623
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 1: just put it out there. I just want to have

624
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: a proper understanding of things right. And even when we

625
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 1: go back talking about religion, I remember when I started

626
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 1: doing personal Bible study with one of the Brothers of

627
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: the Kingdom. While he would come to my mom has

628
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 1: to do personal study with me, and as I started

629
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 1: to read the Bible for myself, a lot of it

630
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: just didn't make sense. Like I said, Adam was first man,

631
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: even the first woman. They had Kane, they had Able,

632
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 1: Kane kills Able and goes off and finds a wife.

633
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 1: There's only four people on the planet. But you know

634
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 1: what I mean, And it's just like I remember, I

635
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 1: remember reading Deuteronomy fourteen eight, and I think Deuteronomy fourteen

636
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: they said you should not touch the flesh of a

637
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: dead pig, nonetheless eat it. I remember asking the brother

638
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: about that, because from the South, we love polk. He's like, oh,

639
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 1: if you prey over the food, you know, it's cool,

640
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: it's good. I'm like, but Bible also said don't have

641
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 1: sex before marriage, So if I prey over the pussy before,

642
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: he couldn't explain that. He did the park though I

643
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:15,919
Speaker 1: never understood. It's really both. But as a team, you

644
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 1: got in your fair share of trouble selling drugs, witness

645
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: to shooting, got arrested, had to go to jail, and

646
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: you sat down for forty one days. Charlemagne had that pack. Yeah,

647
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: I mean, you know what it was. I was in

648
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 1: high school getting in so much trouble, right, and like

649
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: my dad was my dad. My dad is a street dude,

650
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,120
Speaker 1: Like he comes from that. Like you know, my dad

651
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: had his bouts with alcohol and cocaine, but he also

652
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: was a guy that was good with his hands. So

653
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: he had his construction business as well, you know what

654
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: I mean. So he had kind of like that balance.

655
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: But he knew that the lifestyle I was living. He

656
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,479
Speaker 1: would always say, you gonna end up in jail, dead

657
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 1: or broke, sitting under the tree. That was his thing

658
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: to me. And so when I started getting in so

659
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: much trouble in school, I got kicked out of two

660
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: high schools, Like I kicked out of Berkeley High School.

661
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: And month what kind of trouble was it? Though? Like disruption, man,

662
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: I mean you're in class. Yeah, you're cutting up in class, class,

663
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: clowns fighting, just doing dumb shit, this dumb kid shit.

664
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,239
Speaker 1: And so then they transfer me to Scraffild because that's

665
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: what my mom went to school. And it's just like

666
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: that was around sixteen seventeen. And then you start dabbling

667
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: into other things. You know, you see your boys selling weeds,

668
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: you see your boys selling a little dope, and you're like,

669
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: let me get into that, you know, and then I'm

670
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: just a guy who hung around those guys for a

671
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: while before I got involved. But the first time I

672
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: went to jail, one of my homeboys shot at somebody,

673
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: and you know that whole no snitching thing. So when

674
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 1: they come to pick us up, like all right, so

675
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: everybody everybody got hit with a it was an assault,

676
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: and Batty would attempt to kill charge everybody got everybody

677
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: where you're at that age, I think sixteen seventeen, because

678
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 1: they came and got me from high school and I

679
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: was either repeating tenth grade. I think I'd repeating ten grade,

680
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: so therefore be in eleventh grade, so they were looking

681
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: at level grade class. I was the ninth grade, the

682
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: tick grade. It looks like I was repeating. Once I

683
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: got the hospital was all bad. I felt. I felt

684
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: ninth grade. They went to summer school, pass went to tenth.

685
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:10,959
Speaker 1: They fell tenth and when I feel temp, I think

686
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: my pops was like, nah, you're staying in tenth. I

687
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,959
Speaker 1: FoST to graduated ninety six. I graduated ninety eight, and

688
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: they with me, Yeah, I'm just regular, Yeah, Jack said,

689
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: he checked out in like tenth grade. Two. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

690
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: I really checked out. I really checked You didn't graduate school, Yeah, graduated,

691
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: but I checked out the way before that, years before,

692
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: and you were playing ball. It was all about who Yeah, yeah, yeah,

693
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: it was all about who ball and puss. The teachers

694
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: was cool with it though, they yeah, that was cool

695
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: with it back then. Now I ain't telling know you

696
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: they was part of the playing back then. They're rocking

697
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: with it. They want to see you making right now.

698
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: They got their own motives. What was the path that

699
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: got you going into radio? How did you know that

700
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: was your calling? Or did it happen you wanted it?

701
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: How did it? Honestly, man, ray yeo was the first

702
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: thing that I ever did in my life that felt

703
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: constructive and positive because before that, like I was running

704
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: the streets the first time. You know, when you first

705
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: get out jail, you got to get a job, right.

706
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: So I worked it industrial, a Couci company is like

707
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: a warehouse. Got fired from there. Two weeks that I

708
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: worked in a flower guard and I worked there for

709
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: a week. That that shit with modern day slavery. It

710
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: was like me and a bunch of Mexicans out there

711
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: and I'm like this ain't for me, Like so I

712
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: quit that after a week. And then I don't see

713
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: bother day slavery. That that's I hate when people compare

714
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: things to slavery. But it was, it was a few,

715
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: it wasn't for me. Then I worked at a clothing

716
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: store called Demo in the mall, remember dem Ye, And

717
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: then I did tell the marketing. So I was the

718
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: guy that would call your house and try to sell

719
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: you tencds for a penny. So, and I worked at

720
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: taco about at one point my sister fired me after

721
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: two weeks. But I'm saying all that to say I

722
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: wanted to do anything exself with being in the street, right,

723
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: That's it. I did not want to be in a

724
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: pretty much two weeks after two weeks, he was a manager.

725
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: She was the manager. She hired me in five minutes.

726
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: How much free talk about the get during that time

727
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: too much? That's why that's talking about high school. But

728
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: that's why. I just wanted to do something positive. And

729
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: I remember reading this acronym for peace and it was

730
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: positive energy activated constant elevation. So I knew, as long

731
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: as I'm out here doing something positive, things with growth,

732
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: things of growth, things of growth. And then, like most

733
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: dudes in the hood. I wanted to rap. I'm clearly

734
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: too short to want to play ball. So it's just

735
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: like the people who I saw on TV that was

736
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: successful that looked like me were usually in rap or athletic.

737
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: I started picking up the pen and writing, and I

738
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: remember being in this recording studio. I met this guy

739
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: named Willie will and he did local radio as the

740
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: UNINITYU Jams and Charleston. I just asked him, I said,

741
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: yaw'd you getting the radio? He's like, I went done.

742
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: Then I got an internship. I'm like, yo, it's that easy.

743
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: He was like, yeah, this is nineteen ninety eight and

744
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: Charleston psychrolantic, So I ain't had to be in college

745
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: and none of that. And so that's what I did.

746
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 1: I went done then, and I got an internship. And

747
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: like just being in that environment, like the radio, you

748
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: know what I mean, watching artists come in and out

749
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: and being a contract and stuff. I'm like, this is

750
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: what I wanted to That's it, this is what I

751
00:32:58,400 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: want to do. When did you come to New York?

752
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: Two thousand and six came to me up for the

753
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: first well not the first time I had been in

754
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: New York, once before, so I did't. I didn't get

755
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: on a plane until I was like twenty one years old,

756
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: twenty two years I don't remember when that was. I

757
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: remember I came up here because my people's Never So

758
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,239
Speaker 1: Deep records, doctor Robert Evans, his son Blessed. They had

759
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: a studio, I mean a record labe because Never was

760
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: so Deep. So they was up here mixing records. And

761
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: I flew up here with them for one weekend, but

762
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: then to live up here. I came here in two

763
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: thousand and six, and that's because Wendy Williams and her

764
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: husband they were looking for a co host. I didn't

765
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: even know, and I happened to be up here with

766
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: them for a party and she invited me on her

767
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: show and I was on her show for like twenty

768
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: twenty five minute and literally that night they was offering

769
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: me her co host slot. But it was like, yeah,

770
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: we can't pay you, we can give you a place

771
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: to stay. I'm like, shit, I'm making eight thousand an

772
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: hour in Columbia, so I Carolina right now, I might

773
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: as well make that move in New York and see

774
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: what happens. And that's what I did. I worked with

775
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: her for a year and a half for free. It

776
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: was the best and worst time in my life. Learned

777
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: a lot from her, just because she's such she's such

778
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: a great radio personality, such a great media personality. But

779
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: I also learned how not to treat people when you

780
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: are in that position that they were in. You know

781
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I always say that was the best

782
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: and the worst experience of my life because, yeah, they

783
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 1: were terrible to people. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Well,

784
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: you hear that. I wondered because I don't know and

785
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: I don't like to judge, but you hear that about

786
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: Ellen and how she had to do a whole of

787
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: makeshift with her crew behind the scenes because people said

788
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: they weren't treated right. So it's that that that kind

789
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: of stuff used to fly under the radar, but that's

790
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: not flying no more, and it's a good position to

791
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: be in no Oka. Once you call somebody like Ellen out,

792
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: the only apology is changed behavior. So now her staff

793
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: probably getting car service. Can I help you? You need

794
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: some rolls, pedals being thrown on the floor, they walk,

795
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 1: all types of stuff, because that's the only way that

796
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: she can rectify prove it. So you had a learning

797
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: experience with Wendy, which counterproted you a few years later

798
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: into the breakfast club. How did that whole how did

799
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: you and jin and be come together? Well? I got

800
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: fired from Wendy November of two thousand and eight. That

801
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: was just because like the economy was in the tilet

802
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 1: so like everybody was getting fired like that. I got

803
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: fired on November second. And the reason I remember that

804
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: President Black Obama became president of elect on November third,

805
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 1: so I fired on him a second They fired like

806
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: thirty people. So I was cool with that, even though

807
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: I had too much pride to go collect unemployment, you

808
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 1: know what I mean. My wife was working at the time,

809
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: so she was holding it down with the bills and stuff.

810
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: And then my daughter, my first daughter, was born Junior

811
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: that year, so I was just to stay at home

812
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 1: that And then I got put on the radio in

813
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,320
Speaker 1: Philly like around maya, two thousand and nine, and so

814
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: I worked in Philly for like eight to nine months

815
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: and got fired again. And that time I went home.

816
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I said, this city from me.

817
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: I'm going back to South Carolina. We all packed up, me,

818
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 1: my now wife, my first daughter. We went back to Cycline.

819
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 1: I stayed there for a year, but prior to that,

820
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:54,879
Speaker 1: I always had kept in touch with my man g Spen,

821
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: you know. And g Spen was the assistant program director

822
00:35:58,040 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: that Pole one on five at the time, and he

823
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 1: he was the one that kind of like he had

824
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 1: bought Envy in. He had me on the radar and

825
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 1: that he was telling on Cadillac Jack, who was another

826
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 1: mentor of mine, just about us constantly. And so it

827
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: literally meant I was in New York for the summer

828
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,919
Speaker 1: once and that the summer Old nine. I remember hitting

829
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: up Gemen like, y'a, I'm in town. He was like, Yo,

830
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: come to the station right now. So I went to

831
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 1: the station. And when I went to the station, he

832
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: was like, Yo, my, my, my boss, Cadillac Jack. He's

833
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: been in here watching your videos all morning. Because me

834
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 1: and Duvall was doing the little Duvalls doing the Hood

835
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: State of the Union, which was like a web series

836
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 1: that we would do. We just talk about topics, you know,

837
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: this before podcasts, and that's what we was doing, and

838
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 1: Cadillac was like, yo, man, you know. We had this

839
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 1: whole conversation. He actually asked me about Wendy's husband because

840
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 1: I had had a meeting with him before and when

841
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 1: They's husband was with me, and when, unbeknownst to me,

842
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: when we had left the meeting, everybody that worked in

843
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: that building was like, Yo, you cannot hire Charlotte Magne.

844
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: If when They's husband is his manager, that guy is

845
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,800
Speaker 1: bad news. Right. So I remember him saying to me,

846
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: is that still managing? I said no? He said why.

847
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: I said, because when I pray to God to take

848
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: negativity out of my life, he's not swinging at things,

849
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: He's swinging at people that of the embodiment of that negativity.

850
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 1: And I'm like, he was like oh. And then he

851
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:15,879
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, how long can you wait for this job?

852
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: And I'm like, for this whenever the opportunity presents it.

853
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 1: So and then like I think we started November that

854
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: year that was two thousand and ten years. Ten years

855
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: tap now right, yeah, next month, next month will be

856
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: ten years, yeah or whatever they say. I don't know

857
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 1: what i'saying, Yeah, November November ten years Who was some

858
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: of the most memorable terviewed you guy from the beginning

859
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: of the current man. That's that's such a broad question

860
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: because I really sat down in front of people that

861
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 1: I never thought I'd be sitting down, you know what

862
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: I'm saying, when you I'm doing radio twenty two years

863
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: when I sit back and I think about when I

864
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 1: first started. You know, I've sat down with Senator Clinton.

865
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 1: Sen Hillary Clinton and Senator sat down with Donalman Minsterwards

866
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 1: Fiercon quite a few times. I sat down with Dick Gregory,

867
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: you know, Angela Baskett like stuff like that freached me out,

868
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: Like I ask Angela basket like, I don't know how

869
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 1: everybody else feel about her, but me, I'm like, yo.

870
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 1: I sat there with Magic Johnson, like I get I

871
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 1: got to ask Magic about catching h like you know

872
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 1: what i mean, Like and asking him a question of

873
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 1: that I've always thought about, Like when you first got it,

874
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: did you think about every little woman that you've been

875
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 1: with throughout your whole life and be like, damn, I

876
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: bet you it was the young lady Sacramento And he

877
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: was like, hell, yeah, you know what I'm saying. But

878
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 1: it's just like but it's just like those conversations. I

879
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: never thought I'd be able to ask the stuff I've

880
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: always thought about with people to them, you know what

881
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: I mean. So it's just like, man, I don't. I

882
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 1: can't sit here and say which one is more memorable,

883
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: because sitting down with Lorenz State is memorable to me,

884
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like sitting down with me

885
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 1: along is memorable to me. This is memorable, sitting down

886
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: with a vice president Joe Biden, any of those ones

887
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: that go viral, like you know what I mean, Like

888
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: all of these people mean something to me in various ways.

889
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: Was there a person or a time you felt kind

890
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: of like, damn, I just interviewed so and so, like

891
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 1: I feel like I've made it now? Was there a

892
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: time like that light came on? When did you feel

893
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:14,439
Speaker 1: like you had made it? Nah? No, Nah, I still

894
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,439
Speaker 1: now because you know, we live in such a fast

895
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 1: paced world. You're only as good as your last conference.

896
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:21,879
Speaker 1: So it's just like I'm supposed to just sit back

897
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 1: and be cool. Because Hillary Clinton talked about hot sauce,

898
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 1: It's like, nah, what's next? And then literally, you know

899
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: what's so crazy? That week that that Hillary Clinton hot

900
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 1: sauce thing was Monday. That Friday was bird Man put

901
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: some respect on Monday. So it's just like that's the

902
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: way it moves. It moves just that fast, Like Hillary

903
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: be your biggest interview on the Monday. Literally that was

904
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: our biggest interview ever on a Monday, and then Friday. No,

905
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: this is really your biggest in like numbers wise, analytical

906
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: analytic wise, this is your biggest interview ever. So it's

907
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: just like, I don't know, I don't never feel like

908
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,280
Speaker 1: I've I've made it, haven't. I haven't got to Definitely

909
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 1: I did get to a place of worthy. I got

910
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: to that place last and symbol you know, me just

911
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: feeling like I'm worthy, like not dealing with imposter s

912
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: and drone, like I'm right where I'm supposed to be

913
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: because God wants me to be here. But I never

914
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 1: felt like, you know, I've made it. Who are some

915
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: of the people you looked up to in this space

916
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: or who have actually mentored you in this space? Oh? Man,

917
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: so many? I mean from Afar, people like Pete Green.

918
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 1: You know, Pete Green was dope. You know, there's a

919
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:26,800
Speaker 1: movie called Talk to Me Class and like pet is

920
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 1: like pd is what I think every black radio personality

921
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 1: should be, you know, and he reminded me so much

922
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:34,800
Speaker 1: of me because he didn't have no formal training, Like

923
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 1: he was a voice in jail, you know, like That's

924
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: how he basically got discovered and ended up getting put

925
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: on the radio. You know. So it's just like him

926
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: the time Joiners of the world, because when it comes

927
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: to the business of radio, those are the brothers that

928
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 1: figured it out early. You know, they figured out that

929
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: ownership part of it of it early. You know, Steve Harvey,

930
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: Doug Banks, you know, Swaying, Big Boy, Are Martinez, Wendy Williams,

931
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 1: and the beauty of it. These are people, some of

932
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: these people I've actually gotten a chance to get game

933
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: from right, you know, like I want cent for three Agie.

934
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: I talked to Angie Martinez now often. You know Big Boy,

935
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: he works at iHeart like me and him have conversation.

936
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: Suey has always giving me games. So it's just like

937
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 1: I learned from all of them, you know what I mean,

938
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: because they all paved the way for me to even

939
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 1: be doing what I'm doing. You mentioned ownership, which I love. Um,

940
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: you've recently teamed up with iHeart uh and created Black Effect.

941
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: Can you tell us what that's about? Yeah, the Black

942
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: Effect podcast network. Man, It's like, um, the audio business

943
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: is booming, you know, and I've been with Breakfast Club

944
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: for ten years. But I've been doing my own podcast,

945
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 1: The Brilliant Idiots for like six years, you know, so

946
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: I had a ten percent ownership stake in a podcast

947
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: network called Loudspeaker. You know, so I've been watching, you know,

948
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: just the inner workings of the podcast game from that

949
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: perspective for a long time. And then you know, when

950
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,040
Speaker 1: you sit back and you start seeing Bill Simmons on

951
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: what he's doing with the ringer, and you see what

952
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: Gimblet is doing, and you see what anchor is doing,

953
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: you see what Barstool is doing. You sit back and

954
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: me like, well, why there's no black network like that?

955
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? You got these networks that

956
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,280
Speaker 1: have black shows, but was the network that's like majority

957
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 1: on black and it's really paying attention to what's going

958
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 1: on in our coach and really knows the voices that

959
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: needs to be you know, amplified. It's just like, let me,

960
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: let me build that. So that's where my mind has

961
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: been for like the past three or four years. And

962
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,240
Speaker 1: I knew my my contract was up in the symbol.

963
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 1: I think I put myself in a position to where

964
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: they would want to negotiate with me. You know, I

965
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: think I got a little bit of that didn't cause

966
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: it Black left reach, you know. So I was like, look, man,

967
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: you know I don't want to be talented, like you know,

968
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 1: you already know. I'm in this podcast space. You know,

969
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: I'm going to take this somewhere, so let's figure it out,

970
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: you know. And it was with it, it was it

971
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 1: was not no hesitation, like literally no hesitation. So we

972
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: created this whole old other company called the Black Effect

973
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: Podcast Network. I'm a majority owner of it, you know,

974
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: along with I Heart, And it's enabling me to use

975
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 1: their resources and their finances to invest in us. And

976
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: I love it too because, like we said, with the

977
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: allocation of the NBA money, they need to be able

978
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: to work with pillars in those communities. Absolutely, you're a

979
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: pillar of our communities. Like you said, You're able to

980
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: use I Heearts resources and all the amazing ship that

981
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: comes with our heart to help focus on us and

982
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: help grow us. And you know, I'm excited to obviously

983
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 1: having all the Smoke as a partner. Man. I'm happy

984
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: at y'all partner. I remember I remember when they hit

985
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: hit me and it was like, yo, we might have

986
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: a chance of partner with all the Smokes I'm like

987
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: do it. I'm like, I'm like, do it. Give them

988
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 1: whatever they want, you know what I mean. And it

989
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: was like, say, think black leverage because y'all got numbers.

990
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: They know, like they can't front on y'all. They can't

991
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:57,320
Speaker 1: tell y'all what they think y'all should get. There's a

992
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: there's a marketing value and you either got to meet

993
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: that at don't we know we were We appreciate it, man,

994
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 1: Look like I said, we obviously showtime shout out Showtime.

995
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 1: So yeah, no, I heartened Black Effect. We're proud to

996
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: be a part of that family too. You know, you

997
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: and I talk once a week on just strategizing and

998
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 1: how can That was the first thing I told when

999
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: I when I went got over that, I was like, bro,

1000
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: I want to help you really grow this shit. Like

1001
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not just a talking head on a

1002
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 1: podcast like less. Like they put someone in control now

1003
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 1: that really has a post for our culture. So that

1004
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 1: made me excite, Like they gave me hope, like okay,

1005
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 1: here we come. And what I hit him the other day,

1006
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: I was like, what do you think about a black barstool?

1007
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 1: And He's like, shit, that's what we're trying to Now

1008
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 1: that's what you just said. That the whole time you

1009
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 1: called him the black Death Simmons, Simmons deal Simmons. Yeah,

1010
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: because I told me about the cash out, like Bill did.

1011
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 1: I told I told Madam, like, Yo, that's what I see.

1012
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: All the smoke eventually beating. He wants us to give

1013
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: us a little let me tell him, and I want

1014
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: to see all the smoke, have all the smoke need

1015
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:54,760
Speaker 1: just it's network where they're just rolling out those voices

1016
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: and sports that are like y'all, you know what I'm saying,

1017
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: Like there's it, and only y'all know that. Only Matt

1018
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: and Steven know who those other boys are that are

1019
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 1: like y'all, those guys that are cut from that cloth. Yeah, absolutely,

1020
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: Like that's that's that's why this show works. Plenty sports

1021
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 1: guys have gotten together and done shows. We ain't never

1022
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: seen sports from a real nigga perspective, right, And that's

1023
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: just the truth to the rep. I've also liked that

1024
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: you've been for a while, Like you said, you've had

1025
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: your podcast, You've dabbled in MTV reproductions. Uh, you have

1026
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: the emerging Hollywood on YouTube. One thing that I thought

1027
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: was really dope though, because you've we've been hearing your

1028
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: growth and in your evolution as as not only a

1029
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: black man but a businessman as well. But one thing

1030
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: that touched me was the the the Wi Fi situation

1031
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 1: that you provided was it was it in Columbia. Yeah,

1032
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: talk to us about that because that ship, just like

1033
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: that was so dope. Yeah, change my man, man, Stephen Benjamin.

1034
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying to Steve Benjamin black Man,

1035
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,919
Speaker 1: Columbia Socroline. That's why local politics is so important because

1036
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 1: I can't pick up the phone and get to the president,

1037
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But I'm from South Carolina.

1038
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 1: I've lived in Columbia and my wife went to the

1039
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: University of South Carolina. I can pick up the phone

1040
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 1: and hit my man, Steven. It's just a matter of like, yo, Steve,

1041
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 1: what does the city need right now? Because I usually

1042
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 1: do a book bag drive every year, and I've been

1043
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 1: doing that for years at my hometown Amongst Corner, but

1044
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 1: that just didn't feel right this year. So I just

1045
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,399
Speaker 1: reached out to Steve and he was like, man, that's

1046
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: so I'm so happy you hit me. And he introduced

1047
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 1: me to this company called Ignite Cities and basically what

1048
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: Ignite Cities is doing is making sure that people have

1049
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 1: WiFi in these various areas, you know. And it was

1050
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: just like, Yo, this is how much it's gonna cost,

1051
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: and they can make it happen. I'm like, that's easy,

1052
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: you know. So now that I did it, it got

1053
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: it gets the ball rolling on the city because now

1054
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 1: the city look kind of crazy like our citizens. I'll

1055
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: do us. So now the next round they gotta handle that.

1056
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 1: So it's just like, you know, that's why I don't

1057
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: really like to talk about things like that. But I

1058
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 1: realized it's just like why people start right, people stunting.

1059
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 1: They get inspired. You see somebody with a car that

1060
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: you want, you damn I want that. You see somebody

1061
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: with a chain, I'm like, well I want to do

1062
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 1: that now. Like I said, the fact that I saw

1063
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 1: you do that, I was going to ask you how

1064
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: because I want to get to the poor. Like people

1065
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 1: don't understand, like we're in a new I mean, I

1066
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 1: have kids and we're on online school and that ship

1067
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 1: is terrible. But I couldn't imagine if my kids couldn't

1068
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: get online and get their schoolwork done. You know what

1069
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: you said you saw some kids trying to take Wi

1070
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: Fi from Taco Bell. Yeah, they're sitting right next to

1071
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: Taco Bell. Yeah. It was an article I read and

1072
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 1: it was these kids. It was literally doing that homework.

1073
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:36,280
Speaker 1: And Steven had already Steven already told me about him ansament.

1074
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: So when when I read that article and I and

1075
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:39,320
Speaker 1: he told me, I was a man, we gotta do

1076
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: this asap. Right, let's let's get this. I need to Yeah,

1077
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 1: I'm trying to do that in Sacramento too, So I

1078
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: need to get that infom gonna gonna talk how important

1079
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: has it been for you in your journey? Like I said,

1080
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 1: I just saying your praises, but how important has it

1081
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: been for you to empower the black voice not only

1082
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 1: in your space, but in the athletic space and the

1083
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,760
Speaker 1: politics space and the unity space. That's all I care about.

1084
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: Like if I was an NBA player, I would definitely

1085
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,439
Speaker 1: want to lead the league and assist more than scoring points.

1086
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: Like that's all I care about. Like literally, like I've

1087
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: always regardless of what platform I was on, whether it

1088
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 1: was Breakfast Club, whether it was my podcast, whether it

1089
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 1: was the shows I was doing on Viacom, like uncommon

1090
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 1: sense like I always want to give everybody else an opportunity,

1091
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Because I feel like that's

1092
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 1: how you live forever. Right, Eventually your star is gonna burnout.

1093
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: Eventually people will get tired and seeing you front and

1094
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: center all the time. So what keeps you alive? Who

1095
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:36,959
Speaker 1: you opened the door for? When I look at guys

1096
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: like jay Z, Like, look at the all the fruit

1097
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: off jay Z's tree, Well, I mean no Rihanna and

1098
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: Kanye Yeah, Jay Cole, people like another person who got

1099
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 1: the fruit from a tree, you know what I mean?

1100
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: Like I want to be that, Like you want to

1101
00:48:55,040 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: be that guy that you empowered space though too, you're

1102
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: doing it in the new space, and music has been

1103
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 1: that They've had their struggles, don't get me wrong, and

1104
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: they've been able to do it. But you're in this

1105
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 1: multimedia space that has has been and still is dominated

1106
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: by a certain culture. So I just want to do

1107
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: it for the things that I know I'm good at,

1108
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 1: Like I'm good in the audio space, I'm good in

1109
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: the book world, you know what I'm saying. So being

1110
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: that I'm good in those spaces, I can provide opportunities

1111
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 1: in those spaces. Right, let's what's up. That's my fun.

1112
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: Interview has been going. That's probably to me, this has

1113
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: been the most smooth interview we've done. Just on been

1114
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: it's flowing, even slid in a couple of questions. Yeah,

1115
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: it's still in it. Um, we're coming to the end

1116
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 1: and ship went by quick as fuck. Um. Top five

1117
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 1: hip hop albums in your mind before you start, Good

1118
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: Trouble eight songs. I'm dropping on George blad birthday. I'm

1119
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: gonna send it to your earl though. Good Trouble. Okay,

1120
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: who I know you got trade on that, but just

1121
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 1: me on that. Oh all right, okay, okay, self pluck.

1122
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: That's all. We gotta show. Top five either we can

1123
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 1: do We can either do albums or we can do artists.

1124
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: It's easy for me to do artists. Let's do artists.

1125
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 1: And I really do have a top out of top seven.

1126
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: My top seven is jay Z number one. He probably

1127
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: he probably means the most ghost Face is my favorite

1128
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,800
Speaker 1: rapper of all time, but jay Z is probably the

1129
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 1: most important rapper of of of of all time to me,

1130
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 1: right then, Scarface, love Face, t I Jeez, Killer, Mike

1131
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: in in Nas. That's that's my that's my top seven

1132
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 1: that I can go listen to any of the albums

1133
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 1: at any given time and be be contents my top

1134
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 1: five or seven. With the top five or seven, I'm

1135
00:50:52,160 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 1: going Park jay Z, Face Nas, bund b Yeah one

1136
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: Cole one Cole. We forget about Bunn only because he

1137
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: was part of a group like your name if I

1138
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 1: name groups, Yeah, I'm putting u g K. You know

1139
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But we forget about how cold Bunn is. Yeah,

1140
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 1: I got pot, I got Big, I got Jay, I

1141
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: got snoot God Nip about to say you got as

1142
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 1: much you listen to Nip Bro. You gotta love yours.

1143
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 1: I love I love that man. That that that that

1144
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 1: that legacy. That's what you call a stolen legacy. So

1145
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 1: fast see, I see I gotten. My brother always puts

1146
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 1: me on the music. So when I was coming to

1147
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: LA in two thousand and nine ten, He's like, you

1148
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 1: gotta listen to Nick, Like he's just he's your fun

1149
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: with him. So I started listening to his ship and

1150
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 1: instantly fell in love. And then I came to the

1151
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 1: Lakers the next season, so I hit dude on a

1152
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: d M and he hit me right back. I'm like, YO,

1153
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 1: need to the Lakers. You know when Ucla come to

1154
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 1: a game, came to a game and just hit it

1155
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: off with him. I mean, Jenny went down to Earth

1156
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:58,800
Speaker 1: and and I've seen him evolved from when he was

1157
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 1: riding around a little show and I'd be falling them

1158
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 1: to two shows and we'd be upstairs. I'll be with

1159
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 1: a bunch of sixties upstairs on the Lakers smoking weed.

1160
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,399
Speaker 1: Like is that Matt marsh from the Lakers back they're

1161
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: smoking with you know what I mean. So to be

1162
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: able to see his elevation from when I when I

1163
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,320
Speaker 1: when I learned them on him in O nine to

1164
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 1: what he left us with, like he said that was

1165
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: a star shot down early I met. I'm saying with

1166
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 1: my homegirl, deVie Brown. She was doing radio in La

1167
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: on Cadis when I used to go out there. She

1168
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 1: used to put me on all the new rappers. So

1169
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 1: it was Kendrick, it was Nipsey, it was Glasses Malone,

1170
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 1: Bishop Lunt, and I remember hearing that bullets Ain got

1171
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 1: no Name. I was like, God, co right, damn for

1172
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 1: his evolution to the content in which he wrapped it,

1173
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: he rapped about his evolvement to and his evolution and

1174
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 1: she was heard it through every project Shaw Mailbox Money

1175
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: up until Victory Lap and that was what to think about.

1176
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 1: That was his first album though, yeah, History Lap was

1177
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 1: his first. I mean he obviously he has if you

1178
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 1: know his history, he's got his history. But that was

1179
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 1: just his That was number one and it was called

1180
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: Victory Laps. Like, think about that, your first debut album

1181
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 1: on the mer label, which ends up being your last

1182
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 1: album is called Victory Lap Like. It's almost like some foreshadows,

1183
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: some poh like many he said, they said he two

1184
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: pockets generation. We got to ask him a question that

1185
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:14,320
Speaker 1: we didn't we getting asked our guess, so, who do

1186
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: you think should be on our show next? But when

1187
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 1: you answer that question, you gotta be somebody that you

1188
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 1: can help us get on here everybody? You know he

1189
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:27,919
Speaker 1: said jay Z about jay Z on all the smoke

1190
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: will be fired everybody. I want to see Shack on

1191
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:33,240
Speaker 1: him with some reason. I just tapped in with Shaq Shack.

1192
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 1: Even motherfucking Hollywood, Inness, bro, we hit you last week.

1193
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: You said he was coming, then Jack hitching and he

1194
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 1: said he was coming. Then you disappeared to start doing

1195
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 1: all these motherfucking commercials. I just talked to him last week.

1196
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 1: Though he gave me his new number. He said it's on.

1197
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: He said, as soon as the playoffs over. Playoffs are

1198
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 1: about to be over shot. And we know you you

1199
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 1: know you got to go to all these banks and

1200
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 1: make all these deposits because you're getting all this money,

1201
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: but you know, just making a time for us. Man.

1202
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 1: You know why I want to see Shack on here,

1203
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: because Shaq got he got some real nigga. He's suppressing

1204
00:53:56,239 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 1: oh Man, But it's only because yeah, yeah, yeah, But

1205
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 1: I think if he gets around, y'all will ye. He

1206
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 1: was one of the craziest teams. I can't wait to

1207
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 1: talk about man, the ship he used to do in

1208
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 1: the locker room. If he talks about it, it's gonna

1209
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,399
Speaker 1: blow people away. That motherfucker was a seven foot two,

1210
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: three hundred and sixty pound kid like media funny as mother.

1211
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 1: That's the inside info that y'all have that people don't have.

1212
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: He was in the locker room with Shack doing so

1213
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: the conversations are different. That's why even if you watch

1214
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: the show like Drink Champs with Nori, right, no reason

1215
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: Nori can talk to these guys the way he does

1216
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: Roll with him inside information. That's what they are saying

1217
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: with us, because we've been there, we felt every emotion

1218
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 1: we've been you know what I mean? So I like

1219
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:48,399
Speaker 1: that shot. Five dinner guests that are alive, Oh Man,

1220
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:54,359
Speaker 1: Um Donabole, Elijah Muhammad, Martin Luther King, Junior, Pop Nip

1221
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 1: and who my Angelo. Considering the climate we're in right now,

1222
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 1: one book you would recommend for people to read Message

1223
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 1: well for black people or just in general. I tell everybody, man,

1224
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 1: you've got to if you've never read a Message to

1225
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 1: the Black Man Biologih Muhammad, that's an amazing book for

1226
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 1: every black man on this planet to read, you know

1227
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: what I mean, because there's so many different life lessons

1228
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 1: that we can apply to what's going on now, from

1229
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 1: police to politics, to diet to you know, mental health, mindfulness, everything.

1230
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,879
Speaker 1: It's like an honorable ALTI Muhammad was was eighty years

1231
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 1: ahead of everybody when he wrote that book. On the

1232
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 1: flip side, people who are trying to align with us,

1233
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 1: a book you would recommend for them to read or

1234
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 1: understand us honestly, to understand us man, I think the

1235
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 1: autobiography of Malcolm X and the reason I say the

1236
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:42,800
Speaker 1: autography of Malcolm X is because you see what happens

1237
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 1: when a black man is put in a certain environment, right,

1238
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 1: but you also see what happens when a black person

1239
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 1: has provided an opportunity. Because I always say, the greatest

1240
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 1: book about growth and evolution that I've ever read in

1241
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,959
Speaker 1: my life is the autobiography of Malcolm X. Malcolm Little

1242
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 1: going to Malcolm X. And I think that's what one

1243
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 1: thing people don't understand about the Nation of Islam. They

1244
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 1: provide that opportunity for black people that America's not, you

1245
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. They provide those tools and those

1246
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:11,399
Speaker 1: resources for black people that America is not. And that's

1247
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 1: how you can get a Malcolm Little to turn into

1248
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 1: a Malcolm X. That's why you can get a cascious

1249
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 1: Clay to turn to a Muhammad Ali, you know what

1250
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 1: I mean. So it's just like I think that if

1251
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:24,839
Speaker 1: white people read that book, they would understand that black

1252
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 1: people aren't inherently evil, you know what I mean. This

1253
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 1: system put us in a fucked up position, and in

1254
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 1: order for this system the really atone for its sins,

1255
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,439
Speaker 1: it's got to provide things for us to get us out.

1256
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 1: And since we know that's not gonna happen. We're gonna

1257
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 1: have to do it ourselves straight up. Last question, who

1258
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 1: is your one figure you look up to that all

1259
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 1: lives a lot? Oh that's jay Z for sure. Definitely

1260
00:56:56,680 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 1: good question. Explain yours and then I Z jay Z

1261
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 1: for me because and you're so crazy. When I when

1262
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:05,479
Speaker 1: I first listened to jay Z, I didn't. I didn't

1263
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 1: like jay Z only because, like you know, I come

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Speaker 1: from the South. I was into like the gritty, grimy stuff.

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Speaker 1: So it was just like, let dude was talking about

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00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 1: so much money and all that big Willie tall. It

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00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 1: was like, I don't want to hear that. But the

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Speaker 1: reason I look up to him is because it's just

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00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 1: like watching his evolution from coming in the game as

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Speaker 1: a rapper entrepreneur. But the things he used to talk

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00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 1: about to all to always, when I say always, always

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00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 1: showing us where he's at in his life. If you

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00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 1: listen to every jay Z album, you could tell exactly

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00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 1: what he was at in his life. He went from

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00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 1: the player who was kicking girls out at sticks in

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00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 1: the morning to now being the husband, family man, going

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Speaker 1: to therapy. And if you've ever had the pleasure of

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00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:48,919
Speaker 1: just being up at rock Nation. It's just like, that's

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Speaker 1: what you would want your company to look like. This

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00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 1: his family and it's his long time friends. Yeah, he's

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00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 1: really like the blueprint, you know, and the way he

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00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 1: just quiet lee shows up for his people all the time,

1283
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 1: like and it has been doing it for years. Were

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00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 1: just getting hipped to all of the things that that

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00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 1: that he's done. But it's just like when I look

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00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 1: at him, he's just a good representation of what I

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00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 1: think a black man is. Like. You know, you you

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00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 1: dealt the worst hand you make, you make the you

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00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 1: make the best of that hand you would dealt become

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Speaker 1: a billionaire, but you take your your people with you

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00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:25,439
Speaker 1: every step of the way. The people that are willing

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00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 1: to grow what you doing the one that I will grow.

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00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: It ain't meant for everybody, but the ones that are

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00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 1: that are willing to grow with you, and they're supposed

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00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 1: to be there, they still with you. And he represents

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Speaker 1: that that to me. Jack, to answer your question, I

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00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 1: guess I look at it different. Um. You know, to

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Speaker 1: be able to play as long as I play in

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Speaker 1: the NBA, my transition into this space, there's people I

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Speaker 1: look up to. So he's one of them. Um, Stephen A.

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00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 1: Smith is one of them. Michael Strahan, who is to

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00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 1: me the ultimate because he was able to cross from

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00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 1: professional athlete to sports but then to mainstream media too,

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Speaker 1: And that's what I really want to do. Like I

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00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 1: love sports, but I want to transition into like real

1306
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 1: um life. And then Kevin Fraser, Kevin Kevin Is. Kevin's

1307
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 1: helped me in this space. You told me one, I

1308
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 1: didn't know I could need more. Yeah, but Jack surprised me.

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00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 1: I wasn't ready for my own question. Who's yours? I

1310
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 1: think the only person I look up to as my

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00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 1: little brother. But it's simple fact that I wanted to

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Speaker 1: be that guy that day to one woman through high school,

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00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 1: had kids by working one family, doing everything to write,

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Speaker 1: so I got kids all over the place. Y know

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, that's only because you're allergic to column

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Speaker 1: So that's not really that. That's not what it was.

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00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 1: That's not what it was. But uh but seriously, though, Nah,

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Speaker 1: I honestly look up to my little brother because he's

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Speaker 1: done everything the right way. Obviously he wanted my life.

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00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: He wanted to play basketball, but it didn't work out

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Speaker 1: for him. But his life and the way the man

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00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 1: he is and how he takes care of our whole

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00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 1: family when anybody called, he there for him. That's the

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00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 1: that's the man. I really want to shout out to

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00:59:56,320 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 1: Stamp Barley and not twins, got twins and Junior. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's crazy you say that about because it's it's guys

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Speaker 1: that I've I'm totally faithful to my wife. Now, I've

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Speaker 1: been faithful for four years since I told twenty and sixty.

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Speaker 1: But hello, you've been with her. I like it, though

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Speaker 1: it's a change. You got to start somewhere a date

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Speaker 1: with Jack that is real. It's like, Yo, we do

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Speaker 1: look up to these guys that are faithful today women

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Speaker 1: yea early on. You know what I'm saying, Like I

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Speaker 1: didn't had that kind of discipline because you know how

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Speaker 1: tough it is. You know how tough it is. Like

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Speaker 1: I didn't fire anybody, the kids, because I've never been

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Speaker 1: perfect when it comes to that. That's that's so hard though,

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01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 1: that's another good Well. I just I just think he

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Speaker 1: understood what he wanted with his life at a young age,

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like being saying, my grandmother,

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Speaker 1: my grandfather been together for so long. You know what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying my mom, you know, she really just dedicated.

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Speaker 1: I like to us, it's certain things that triggered him

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01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 1: to do things the right way. He was around me,

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01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 1: He's seen me doing all that stuff, he's seen women

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01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 1: around me. He was just so focused on doing things

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Speaker 1: the right way, and that's what I wanted, but I

1348
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 1: was distracted by other ship. Yeah, I didn't want to

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01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 1: do my household the way my father and I love

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Speaker 1: my pops, you know what I'm saying. But I didn't

1351
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: want to do my household the way I saw him

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01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 1: do his house. You know what I'm saying. He got

1353
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 1: caught with his digging the dirt. He's still with the

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Speaker 1: same woman, so clearly that was meant to be right.

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Speaker 1: But my mom got divorced and then that kind of,

1356
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 1: like to me, messed the family up, right, So I

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Speaker 1: didn't want to do that in my house. You know. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's a wrap, Charlotte bay Man. We appreciate your time.

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Speaker 1: They've been waiting on that, man. Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: That's a wrap. All the Smoke You can find this

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