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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Welcome to another episode of The Buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 1: I have my friend David Marcus joining us now. David

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Speaker 1: Marcus is a columnist for a whole bunch of places.

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Speaker 1: You probably get The News, Daily Mail, New York Post, Spectator.

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Speaker 1: He's a writer and he has a lot of thoughts

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Speaker 1: and a lot of things. He's with us now, David,

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Speaker 1: great to have you back. Thanks for having me. Man.

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Speaker 1: So how are we? How are we doing with this

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Speaker 1: whole saving the country thing these days? On the right?

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Speaker 1: How's the whole conservative project chugging along at this point?

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Speaker 1: You know, I have a lot of optimism for it, honestly,

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Speaker 1: maybe more than a lot of people do on the right.

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Speaker 1: Part of what I do, a big part of what

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Speaker 1: I do is try to look at try to analyze

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Speaker 1: and look at what's happening on the right. I don't

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Speaker 1: really take a lot of sides. I just want to know, like,

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Speaker 1: where are we? And I do think that when you

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Speaker 1: look gets some of the things that for example, Governors

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Speaker 1: de Santists and young Ken are doing with education in

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Speaker 1: Florida and Virginia. When you look at I think Kevin

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Speaker 1: McCarthy sort of proving some of his critics, if not wrong,

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Speaker 1: at least reassuring them that he was going to be

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Speaker 1: a different kind of leader for Republicans. I do think

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Speaker 1: there's a lot to be optimistic about. Well, that's good news.

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Speaker 1: That's I don't get sorry to be the best. Sorry

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Speaker 1: to be good news, No, I was gonna say. And

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Speaker 1: I feel like that's that's encouraging. Obviously, everyone's gearing up

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Speaker 1: for some kind of a Hulk versus the Thing throw

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Speaker 1: down between Trump and desantists. And I keep telling everybody,

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Speaker 1: you know, we we have all these expectations that don't

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Speaker 1: end up coming true. In politics, maybe it'd be best

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Speaker 1: to one be humble about what we can and cannot predict,

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Speaker 1: and to just watch events as they as they play out,

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Speaker 1: instead of assuming that everything is is set long before

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Speaker 1: it actually happens. And you know, I think the midterm

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Speaker 1: elections were an exercise in that at some level. But

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Speaker 1: I also feel like on the right, you know, we

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Speaker 1: look at polls, for example, we look at so many

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Speaker 1: people are dissatisfied with Joe Biden, with the economy right now,

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Speaker 1: and you know the state of the Union that Biden

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Speaker 1: has has done this week, but yet they still vote

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Speaker 1: for him. Right. I mean, this is this is where

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Speaker 1: I think, and I know people say, oh, eighty million

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Speaker 1: people didn't vote for Biden. Just there are a lot

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Speaker 1: of really really devoted Democrats out there who are lunatics

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Speaker 1: who will vote for Joe Biden. Folks, Okay, there are

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Speaker 1: a lot of them. I don't I don't know how

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Speaker 1: many exactly, but there are a lot of them. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's say. You know, it was interesting a couple days

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Speaker 1: after the mid terms when it seemed like once again,

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Speaker 1: the entire National Review right, and I love National of you.

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Speaker 1: I've written for them. I think, I think they do

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Speaker 1: a really good job. But this whole crowd was like, okay,

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Speaker 1: this is the end of Trump, right. I thought they

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Speaker 1: were going to do another one of these like never Trump. Okay,

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Speaker 1: now we all have to get behind desantists. And this

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Speaker 1: is what I said, slow your role, guys, like like,

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Speaker 1: this is this is not how this works. And I

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Speaker 1: spoke to a couple of guys at a bar pub

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Speaker 1: restaurant in Brooklyn's a place called the Salty Dog, which

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Speaker 1: if you're ever in Bay Ridge, it's great, And they

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Speaker 1: were both Trump voters who do exist in Brooklyn, And

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Speaker 1: I asked them very specifically, I said, what do you

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Speaker 1: want to see? You do you want to see the

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Speaker 1: establishment and the donors and the elite sort of put

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Speaker 1: their thumb on the scale for desantist because we don't

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Speaker 1: think Trump is electable? Or do you want to just

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Speaker 1: have the fair fight? And these guys were open to DeSantis,

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Speaker 1: but they said they want the fair fight, right. That's

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Speaker 1: the key. Everyone's worried, like, oh, Trump's voters are you know,

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Speaker 1: He's going to run third party and they're going to

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Speaker 1: go away. I think that's far less likely if the

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Speaker 1: voters understand that we just get to make a choice,

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Speaker 1: as opposed to, as The New York Times reported this week,

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Speaker 1: the Koch brothers saying we're gonna consolidate behind an alternative.

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Speaker 1: And I also think it's I think it's strange, you know,

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Speaker 1: because there definitely is a I think it's probably a

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Speaker 1: small but loud minority within the right, but there are

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Speaker 1: definitely people who take this position of you're supposed to

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Speaker 1: know now who you want to be the presidential nominee

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Speaker 1: and this, and they think it's it's being a you know,

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Speaker 1: a whimp or a fencitter or something like this. And

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Speaker 1: I sit here and say, well, I knew in twenty

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Speaker 1: I mean what you know ain't so over the course

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Speaker 1: primary was like, oh my gosh, it is gonna be Trump.

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Speaker 1: He's got something special, He's saying something special. There's something

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Speaker 1: different here, and I don't understand. Well, maybe understanding isn't

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Speaker 1: really the right question a right way to approach it.

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Speaker 1: But I think that there are a lot of people

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Speaker 1: that want want us all to forget that there's a

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Speaker 1: nomination process for a reason. That the fight, that the battle,

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Speaker 1: that the back and forth, the conversation, the debate in

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Speaker 1: front of the American people between people that want the

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Speaker 1: most powerful job in the world is part of the

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Speaker 1: process and a good thing. And it is okay to

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Speaker 1: say I want to see this play out. Yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: And and and I think that you know, when you

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Speaker 1: get off of Twitter, and when you get you know,

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Speaker 1: as I have, notwithstanding my background recently, you know, gotten

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Speaker 1: out of New York City, right, But when you get

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Speaker 1: out of like the places where the pundents stomp the terror.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that you realize is that electability

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Speaker 1: deal in the minds of American voters even in primaries, right.

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Speaker 1: Voters don't say, well, I'm going to make you know,

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Speaker 1: smartest choice and try to you know, game the system. No,

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Speaker 1: they like somebody. They say, oh, this guy says stuff

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Speaker 1: that I like. I want this guy. And even if

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Speaker 1: they were trying to game the system and say, well,

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Speaker 1: what's the electability game, they're likely to land on other

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Speaker 1: people are going to like what I like. Right, So

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Speaker 1: we can all tweet about, like, you know, the polls

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Speaker 1: and this and that, But at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: voters really say, does this guy or woman you know

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Speaker 1: means something to me? It? Is it? Yogi berra? Who

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Speaker 1: is credit with it? And over to the fat lady sings,

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Speaker 1: is that right? I don't know who? Or is that

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Speaker 1: just a phrase that everybody us. I know, he's deja

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Speaker 1: vu all over again, which of course is a pretty

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Speaker 1: funny little Yes he was that. Yeah, yeah, he was

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Speaker 1: definitely that. I don't know if it's it. Over to

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Speaker 1: I think in politics is pretty funny that we keep

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Speaker 1: even in general. It goes beyond party. We have to

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Speaker 1: relearn the same lessons because we talk about things like electability.

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Speaker 1: And you know, this is going to sound so ridiculous,

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Speaker 1: but I do think it's an important reminder. You know,

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Speaker 1: who's electable. The person who wins right, never always goes, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: Trump was not electable until he beat the whole system. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, Ronda Santis was not electable as even the

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Speaker 1: governor of Florida, barely was electable as a governor of Florida,

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Speaker 1: and now he just won the biggest landslide re election

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Speaker 1: think it's interesting because the whole concept of electability has

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Speaker 1: know what's actually going to happen in the future. And

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Speaker 1: one thing that we all know for sure is, you know,

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Speaker 1: economists got got a lot of heat for a while

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Speaker 1: for being wrong about everything. Political prognosticators, they've had a

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Speaker 1: pretty rough, pretty rough decade, I will say, no, it's true.

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Speaker 1: And and look, the media is somewhat complicit in this.

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Speaker 1: I remember back in about August of twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 1: I started feeling like Lee Zelden maybe had a chance.

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Speaker 1: And I mean he was down twenty in the polls.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, And I started going to my editors,

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Speaker 1: right because I'm not staffed up, I'm independent. I write

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Speaker 1: days on the Zelden campaign, do a sort of Selina

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Speaker 1: Zito style, you know type thing, who, by the way,

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Speaker 1: you know, can I do that? And everybody, and this

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Speaker 1: is not to throw anybody under the bus, but everybody said, Dave,

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Speaker 1: Zelden starts catching up a little bit right, the message

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Speaker 1: something that I never knew. I wrote a piece for

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Speaker 1: the Daily Wire saying he will win, and I was wrong.

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Speaker 1: We treat them that way, and we have a responsibility

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Speaker 1: as journalists to cover them. Is Chuck Schumer going to

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Speaker 1: the Senate race, right. And by the way, I think

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Speaker 1: Joe Pinion actually did much better against Chuck Schumer. Joseph

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Speaker 1: everybody else were paying attention to that race, right, it

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Speaker 1: changes the dynamic when when journalists and when the media say, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: this is a foregone conclusion, it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think one part of politics that we can never

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Speaker 1: is a multi billion dollar endless perception manipulation machinery that

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Speaker 1: you know, there I think back to you know, I

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Speaker 1: like to read historical historical biographies and you know presidents,

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Speaker 1: you'll be reminded that, you know, presidents would go on

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Speaker 1: about that. But I mean, now I can go back

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Speaker 1: and I can find you video of Joe Biden looking

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Speaker 1: like a jackass from nineteen eighty five, right, I mean

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Speaker 1: decide what shows up in search results. So the perception

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Speaker 1: before in human history, with the exception of maybe totalitarian states,

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Speaker 1: but you know, ours is actually much more effective, right,

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Speaker 1: because they convince people of things that yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: in totalitarian state. It's we're lying to you. Accept a

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Speaker 1: liar will shoot you, right, I mean, that's that's one

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Speaker 1: way to do propaganda. I mean, everyone kind of knows

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Speaker 1: this country, they convince people of things that are quite

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Speaker 1: a coward other than a coward, for example, you find

428
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Speaker 1: yourself all of a sudden running into the word police

429
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Speaker 1: very quickly. It's interesting how few words we have to

430
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Speaker 1: describe disdain for weakness, disdain for people who are duplicitous

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Speaker 1: people who are just bad people. You know. Yes, I'm

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Speaker 1: not just saying on the profane side, but but there

433
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Speaker 1: are words, you know that you cannot use because there

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Speaker 1: could considered you know, sexist or misogynist or whatever, I

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Speaker 1: don't know, ablest or something. You know. I mean there

436
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Speaker 1: are people who even tell you shouldn't call anyone dumb

437
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Speaker 1: or you shouldn't call anyone stupid. Okay, well, how do

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Speaker 1: I explain who? How do I explain how some of

439
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Speaker 1: these Democrats are unable to you know, members of Congress

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Speaker 1: who are Democrat like if I want to say, Eric

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Speaker 1: Swalwell is not an intellectually acceptable level fellow for a

442
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Speaker 1: member of Congress if you listen to the left. There

443
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Speaker 1: are very few ways you can describe this that don't

444
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Speaker 1: sound like you're reading from a dissertation without them claiming that,

445
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Speaker 1: you know, you've offended somebody. They are destroying our ability

446
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Speaker 1: to describe circumstances with language, and they're doing so by

447
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Speaker 1: appealing to either our sense of decency or our fear

448
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Speaker 1: of cancelation. Well, yeah, I mean exactly. I mean, that's

449
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Speaker 1: the whole concept of equity, right, that that as opposed

450
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Speaker 1: to equality right, equality is the equality of opportunities. Equity

451
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Speaker 1: means we all have the same outcome, which means that

452
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Speaker 1: for some reason, Eric Swalwell has to be considered just

453
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Speaker 1: as you know bright as I don't know new Gangridge

454
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Speaker 1: or you know who whoever you want to whatever, right

455
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Speaker 1: person on the right, you you want to say, Um, yeah,

456
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Speaker 1: it it destroys discourse in many ways. And I look,

457
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Speaker 1: I don't I don't run around calling people dumb. I

458
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Speaker 1: don't have any you know, desire to like, you know,

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Speaker 1: use slurs or whatever. But you make a good point

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Speaker 1: in that, Wow, everything can't be completely relative or everything

461
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Speaker 1: just goes completely to hell. And and that's where we

462
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Speaker 1: are right now. I think that that's what you're really saying,

463
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Speaker 1: is like, you know, this this idea, like you can't

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Speaker 1: criticize AOC or whoever it is, or George Santos for

465
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Speaker 1: that matter, right, Like I'm happy to make some George

466
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Speaker 1: Santos jokes. Um. Well, it's interesting you mentioned you mentioned

467
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Speaker 1: jokes because I also think it has been an intentional

468
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Speaker 1: and this is this is enormously um I think important

469
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Speaker 1: political and cultural implications. The destruction of comedy is something

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Speaker 1: that the left has really focused on and I'd say, oh,

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Speaker 1: we have all these comedians. Yeah, they're all making the

472
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Speaker 1: same jokes about first of all, late night comedians. It

473
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Speaker 1: all turned into bad Donald Trump jokes, which is why

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Speaker 1: there shows basically all destroyed, right, And that's why Red

475
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Speaker 1: Eye at Fox became the most power and the most

476
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Speaker 1: well watched late night show without decades of platform building

477
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Speaker 1: handed to it like someone like a cold bearhead um.

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Speaker 1: But I think it's an intentional program. Go ahead, I'll

479
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Speaker 1: tell you the secret of this. There's a reason that

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Speaker 1: stand up comedy is the only place left in the

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Speaker 1: performing arts where you even sort of like remotely have

482
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Speaker 1: conservative ideas. I'm not calling Chappelle or Burr or Sandler

483
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Speaker 1: like you know, movement conservatives or whatever, but they've all

484
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: bristled right, Seinfeld. They've all bristled the left and gotten

485
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Speaker 1: the left upset. Here's why this is the last performing

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Speaker 1: art form where you don't go to college for it,

487
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Speaker 1: you don't go to studio for it. You don't you know,

488
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Speaker 1: show up at some not for profit theater company. You

489
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Speaker 1: go to the comedy club, you sign your name on

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Speaker 1: the list and say I want to get up there

491
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Speaker 1: for five minutes and you know what happens, buck, Either

492
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: people laugh or they don't. And that's it. It's testable.

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Speaker 1: If nobody laughs, you're not invited back. If everybody laughs,

494
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Speaker 1: well okay, yeah, come back please. That autocracy still exists

495
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Speaker 1: in stand up comedy. It exists almost nowhere else in

496
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Speaker 1: the arts and and and that's why Gutfeld's able to

497
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Speaker 1: do this. That's why, you know, you see this difference here.

498
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Speaker 1: And it used to be that way in theater. It

499
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Speaker 1: used to be that way in novels and poetry and everything.

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Speaker 1: I know, there aren't that many people who are listening

501
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Speaker 1: who are big Broadway buffs. Probably some, but not very many,

502
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: not not that big on the right. I lived in

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Speaker 1: New York, adjoining like my I basically my building shared

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Speaker 1: a wall with a Broadway theater. I think I have

505
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Speaker 1: been to in my life half a dozen Broadway shows

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Speaker 1: in my life, and some of those were, you know,

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Speaker 1: school mandated. But I do know that of the plays

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Speaker 1: I had seen in let's say the last ten years,

509
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Speaker 1: the wokeness of Broadway makes the wokeness of Netflix seem

510
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Speaker 1: like Fox News. I mean it is, how did that happen?

511
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Speaker 1: How did live theater? I want to say Broadway. Also

512
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Speaker 1: off Broadway live live theater became it is the the

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Speaker 1: Wesleyan Gender Studies Department, doing live performance all over the country. Somehow.

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Speaker 1: What happened? You come from this world? No, I mean

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Speaker 1: I I've watched it happen. You know, I'll tell you

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Speaker 1: it's Funnyum. So, my theater company in New York was

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Speaker 1: called Blue Box Productions. That's if people are curious about

518
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Speaker 1: my Twitter handle, that's why on blue Box Dave. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting. We had a signature show. My

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Speaker 1: co producer was Libby Evans, who's now the editor in

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Speaker 1: chief of Post Millennial. We both kind of in a

522
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Speaker 1: roundabout way, wound up making this journey. But we invented

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Speaker 1: this show called Sticky and it was a night of

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Speaker 1: ten minute plays in a bar lounge space and it

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Speaker 1: didn't take place on a stage. Took place sort of

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Speaker 1: around the bar, and it would happen environmentally. It was

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Speaker 1: a really fun show. We ran it for about fifteen

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Speaker 1: years and I was the host of it, and I

529
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Speaker 1: was starting in about two thousand and eight to two

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Speaker 1: thousand and nine, sort of openly republican and conservative, and

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Speaker 1: it was a joke right like like I would. I

532
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Speaker 1: would sort of make jokes about political correctness or Obama

533
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Speaker 1: or whatever it was. The audience would boo. We went

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00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: back and forth. But it was friendly, right, it was.

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Speaker 1: It was this sort of like and and afterwards I

536
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: would talk to people and they say, oh, well, why

537
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: do you know I like Condoleeza, Rice or you know whatever.

538
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: It was right, you could do this in two and twelve.

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00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: You can't anymore. Now. It's like I have to hate

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Speaker 1: you if I disagree with you politically. And I watched

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Speaker 1: this happen. I remember the first time anyone ever told

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Speaker 1: me that they were triggered by something. I said. It

543
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: was this playwright, this young woman, you know, and we

544
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Speaker 1: were talking about the trans issue and I said something

545
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Speaker 1: and she said, well, I have to stop this conversation

546
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Speaker 1: now because I'm feeling triggered. I remember thinking, like, are

547
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Speaker 1: you saying that? In real life? We're goddamn New York artists,

548
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: Like we're supposed to be doing drugs and talking about

549
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: whatever the hell we want to, Like, what is this?

550
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: What is this? Like, Oh, I'm triggered, so you have

551
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: to shut up. No, it's as though and that's what happened. Yeah,

552
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: the New York theater scene turned into all of the

553
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Speaker 1: quote artists who are doing the bidding of the Stazi

554
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Speaker 1: and the Communist Party in East Germany from the lives

555
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Speaker 1: of others. The Great movie that sort of shows, you know,

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Speaker 1: there's an artist who's actually trying to write, actually trying

557
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Speaker 1: to create. But there were plays, there were things that

558
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: went on, same, the same thing that you know, and

559
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: the rest of the Soviet Union it was you did

560
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: what they told you to do, though, right, you did

561
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: what you were told to do, and and it feels

562
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: like they don't recognize, you know, even when all the

563
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: all these morons in Hollywood. And I do think social

564
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: media is a big part of this because we have

565
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: this window into the thoughts of people who would honestly

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Speaker 1: be better off and we would be better off if

567
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: nobody knew their thoughts, right. I mean, Mark Ruffalo is

568
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: a moron, right, very rich, very famous, He's a moron.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to hear what he has to say

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Speaker 1: about anything, or re would it say about anything, but

571
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: it will appear in my Twitter feed because he has Twitter. Now,

572
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: social media has shown people one I think it's pushed

573
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Speaker 1: more people to be more political in the arts but

574
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: also it is shown what a budge. I mean. Look,

575
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: some people were in the arts just because they won

576
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Speaker 1: the genetics lottery. You know, they're either super good looking,

577
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Speaker 1: or they have a super good voice, or there's you know,

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00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,479
Speaker 1: or they just have god given talentum in one way

579
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Speaker 1: or another. That that's important buck, right, because because here's

580
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 1: where Look, I write for Daily Wire. I love Daily Wire.

581
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Speaker 1: I love what they do on their entertainment wing right.

582
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 1: I love what all sort of conservative. But but when

583
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 1: conservatives say, well, why don't we just start a movie studio, Okay,

584
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: here's your problem, the talented people. I went to Tish

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Speaker 1: School of the Arts at NYU, which I think accepted

586
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 1: about seven percent of its acting applicants. Right, I'm not

587
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 1: tuning my own horn here. I was just for what

588
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,760
Speaker 1: it's like. It's like the Harvard Business School for actors.

589
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: It's the place that people. It's a famous place for actors. Yes,

590
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: I just happened to be good at this, and that

591
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: really is all it is, right, Like I didn't. There

592
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: was nothing special I did to be good at it.

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00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: I just I've never met anybody who became a good actor.

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00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: They always started that way, right. The problem that the

595
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 1: right has is that the only way to learn those skills,

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00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: to hone those skills as an actor, as a director,

597
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 1: as a playwright, as a screenwriter, is through institutions that

598
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: are completely and utterly captured by the left. And this

599
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: relates back again to the whole not for profit sort

600
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: of system. Right, Like we had conservative great actors in

601
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Speaker 1: the fifties, sixties, seventies, right, John Wayne was a great actor.

602
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 1: The problem is we don't we don't have We're not

603
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Speaker 1: training people. We're not in the places where these people

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Speaker 1: are being trained, Like nobody drops out of the sky

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Speaker 1: into being the showrunner of a Disney Plus show. They're

606
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: coming through theater companies, they're coming through universities. So Daily

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Speaker 1: Wire and all these other places can do all they want,

608
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: but if you're not developing the talent, you're not going

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00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: to have the talent. Well, this sounds a little bit

610
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: like whenever I talk to Americans who really into sports

611
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Speaker 1: about why a country of three hundred and forty million people,

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Speaker 1: with so many of the best athletes in the world

613
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 1: can't put together a soccer team worth a damn and

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00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,320
Speaker 1: and by that that the conversation is because if you

615
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 1: grow up in Europe or Latin America or a handful

616
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,959
Speaker 1: of other places, but really those are the two major ones.

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Speaker 1: You have access to sub professional leagues or sort of

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Speaker 1: junior professional leagues where people start playing for the you know,

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Speaker 1: the club team, junior team at like age twelve. I

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Speaker 1: think in the case of lion Le Messi, he was

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Speaker 1: basically like training to be a professional soccer player at

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Speaker 1: age eight or age nine. And it's true of professional

623
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Speaker 1: tennis players too. I mean they have to be going

624
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: at that and so if you had no access, if

625
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 1: you have no access to those pipelines, you can't compete,

626
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: and I did. But it's also cultural. I remember being

627
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Speaker 1: a teenager and I'm I'm wearing a Glasgow Celtics start

628
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: jersey at the moment. But I love Argentina. There there there, my,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, and they I cry. I buck when

630
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Speaker 1: they won the World Cup and I was watching it

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Speaker 1: with my twelve year old son and he was like you,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you watch that match, but it

633
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 1: was like I did. It was the most insane match ever.

634
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Speaker 1: And when when that final PK went in, I literally

635
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: cried and Charlie's like, you know, are you okay? Dad?

636
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Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, no, these are these are good,

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Speaker 1: these are you know, tears of joy. Um. But but

638
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Speaker 1: the other thing, Yeah, I remember being in Mexico when

639
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: I was a teenager, and I remember seeing like this

640
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 1: little kid was carrying a balloon and he dropped the

641
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: balloon and what he did was he kicked it up

642
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: back into his hands, right, just a little flick with

643
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 1: his foot back into his hands. And thought, any American

644
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: kid is reaching down and picking that ballot up. So yeah, yeah,

645
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: I mean there there is this cultural thing of like,

646
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: you know, you have this or you don't have this.

647
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: And and for artists, for anyone who like I did,

648
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: got seduced by theater or by writing or by you know, playwriting,

649
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: whatever it is, everywhere that you're getting shunted into is

650
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: going to be constantly preaching wokeness to you. You just

651
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: can't escape it. Yeah. The communists have infiltrated all of

652
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: these pipelines and all these institutions of culture and of art,

653
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: and they completely dominate them in a way that people

654
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 1: that have never even been exposed to that world at all,

655
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 1: I think are shocked at the way. You know that

656
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Speaker 1: the things, By the way, increasingly it's true of law

657
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: schools too. I mean, it's it's through of a lot

658
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: of places that people wouldn't even expect it. It's true

659
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: of medicine, as we saw during COVID. I want to

660
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: talk to you about New York actually here David in

661
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Speaker 1: just a second. So yeah, before we get to that,

662
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Speaker 1: just if I can make just one last point point

663
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Speaker 1: about this. When I was openly conservative in the New

664
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Speaker 1: York theater seeing there was an interesting thing that would happen.

665
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 1: Somebody would come up to me and say, hey, you know,

666
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 1: my boyfriend's a conservative, or you know, hey, I'm a libertarian.

667
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: I don't really feel comfortable talking about this, but and

668
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: it was like a champagne bottle being uncorked. Once these

669
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: people felt like they were safe having this conversation, you

670
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 1: couldn't stop it. Right. That's the energy of the Trump rally. Really.

671
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Speaker 1: It's one of these people who can't say at work,

672
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Speaker 1: I think Trump is Maybe they get to a Trump

673
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Speaker 1: rally and they're like, oh my god, I can actually

674
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Speaker 1: say what I think. Well, this is like when I

675
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Speaker 1: lived in DC during the Trump presidency and I would

676
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Speaker 1: go to the Trump Hotel. I also went to the

677
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Speaker 1: you know, the White House, for interviews and things like

678
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: that on occasion. But I would go to the Trump

679
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Speaker 1: Hotel and you'd walk in there and it was like

680
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Speaker 1: you had entered an alternate universe where everybody was friendly

681
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Speaker 1: and able to speak about their conservatism and be like, oh,

682
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Speaker 1: isn't it great what you just saw? And you know, oh,

683
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: we could all laugh about CNN. And you would leave

684
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: and it was as though, yeah, it was this big,

685
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,399
Speaker 1: grandiose hotel and everybody knew that Trump was the owner

686
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: and everything else. But you would leave and you walk

687
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: around DC and you didn't talk about I mean, DC

688
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: is ninety six percent Democrat or ninety seven percent Democrat.

689
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Speaker 1: You do not if you were a right winger and

690
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Speaker 1: you let on in DC in the wrong circles that

691
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Speaker 1: that's who you are, it gets really uncomfortable and and

692
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Speaker 1: uh and really tense very quickly. Um, there's a dance.

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Speaker 1: There was a dance that I would do with people

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Speaker 1: in Brooklyn when I was living in Brooklyn. Right Like,

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Speaker 1: you know, you'd meet one of your neighbors, you'd be

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Speaker 1: talking to somebody at the you know, at the restaurant

697
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Speaker 1: or the bar or whatever, and you kind of got

698
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:33,439
Speaker 1: this sense of like, wait, a minute. Maybe you're a conservative.

699
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Speaker 1: And I was talking to this about I was talking

700
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Speaker 1: about this to one of my editors once and they

701
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Speaker 1: made a great point. They said, it's almost like and

702
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Speaker 1: it's almost like the dance that gay men would have

704
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Speaker 1: to go through of like, wait a minute, are you

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Speaker 1: you know, like is this right? And and you go, oh,

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Speaker 1: you are at Trump support? Oh well, you know, we

707
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Speaker 1: could talk about this now. There was this sort of

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Speaker 1: tell you that this is what my politics are the

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Speaker 1: same way as am I willing to tell you you

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Speaker 1: know what my sort of sexual situation is. Sorry if

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00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: that was weird, but I think the analogy is actually

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Speaker 1: somewhat app I want to ask about New York, but

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Speaker 1: first we're gonna talk about New York as in what's

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Speaker 1: I can't. I can't just you know, make these promises

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Speaker 1: send it though, because you don't live in New York anymore.

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Speaker 1: What happened? No, I've moved to West Virginia, which you

746
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Speaker 1: know a lot of people who who know me found strange. Um. Look,

747
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Speaker 1: it wasn't you know. I love New York City, I

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Speaker 1: really do, and I always will. It was mostly about

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Speaker 1: year old son and some of his buddies want to

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Speaker 1: like take the subway to Manhattan, you know, go to

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Speaker 1: the movies, go see a concert, whatever it is. They'll

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Speaker 1: be back by eleven on the subway, I thought, okay,

757
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: that's fine. I can't think that anymore. And so, you know,

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00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: talking to my son's mom and and you know, both

759
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 1: of us sort of realizing this. It's just not a

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Speaker 1: good place for a teenager to be. If I didn't

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Speaker 1: have a kid, I'd probably still be in New York.

762
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:57,439
Speaker 1: But you know, and the schools, I mean, every day

763
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Speaker 1: buck was like Pridday or bln or something. You know,

764
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Speaker 1: it just became untenable. What happened? Why? How did how

765
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Speaker 1: did how did it turn into this? I think, you

766
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Speaker 1: know it's funny. I my first month in college in

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Speaker 1: New York City was in nineteen ninety four, no, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three, and I remember sitting at Cafe Reggio,

769
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Speaker 1: which if anybody goes to New York, you have to

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Speaker 1: go to Cafe Reggio in McDougall Street. It's the best

771
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: place in the city. I remember. I love that whole

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Speaker 1: area of Greenwich Village, but right around there in particular,

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Speaker 1: there's like a romance. I just remember so many nights

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Speaker 1: going out there, drinks and restaurants and chase in life. There.

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Speaker 1: There is something about New York City at its peak

776
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Speaker 1: that you are living your life in a film or

777
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Speaker 1: a novel. It's a special it look at is a

778
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Speaker 1: special place. I felt that way my whole life growing

779
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: up there. Yeah, and you know, so I'm at Reggio

780
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Speaker 1: and we find out Giuliani one and it was like

781
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: whoa right again, no cell phones there was I think

782
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: the owner just walked in. He goes with Giuliani one.

783
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: He had beaten David Dinkins, and within two or three

784
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: years Giuliani had really turned the city around in remarkable ways.

785
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: And New York City is, of course, you know, deep blue.

786
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: But let's not forget from ninety three until was it

787
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Speaker 1: twenty thirteen when de Blasio was elected, there was no

788
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: Democrat elected mayor. What a huge difference and how impactful

789
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: that was. There. There was stuff that I didn't love

790
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 1: about Bloomberg, and unfortunately Bloomberg became an independent and that

791
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 1: really I think that really hurt the city when he

792
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,959
Speaker 1: did that in a lot of ways. But the city

793
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 1: was growing, it was safe, the police department was, I

794
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: mean the best in the world. And that was the

795
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: city that I moved to, and that was the city

796
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Speaker 1: that I loved, and de Blasio destroyed it. You know,

797
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Speaker 1: I want to believe that Eric Adams is trying to

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Speaker 1: get it back, but the man doesn't seem to have

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Speaker 1: a whole lot of backbone. Yeah, what is it that

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Speaker 1: you think would be the single most important focus in

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Speaker 1: New York City to bring it back? I mean, yeah,

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00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: obviously crime, But how is it enforcing the law across

803
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Speaker 1: the board? Is it even possible to have a single focus.

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Speaker 1: Is it just that the system has so deteriorated that

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Speaker 1: you have to have a menu of fifteen things you

806
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: have to do differently. You have to prosecute everybody who

807
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: breaks the law, you have to actually enforce sentences, you

808
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,800
Speaker 1: have to get away from no cash bail. You have

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Speaker 1: to clean up the streets, I mean literally clean up

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Speaker 1: the streets, right, I mean, it just felt like there

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Speaker 1: was an all across the board apps of what New Yorkers,

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Speaker 1: irrespective of how they felt about national gun policy or

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Speaker 1: abortion or foreign policy or whatever. I grew up with

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Speaker 1: this belief that New Yorkers, because of the change the

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Speaker 1: city had, they realized, Hey, we can actually just all agree.

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Speaker 1: We want safety, clean streets, functioning local services, and bureaucracy,

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Speaker 1: you know, improving schools at best. But you know, there

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Speaker 1: are some amazing public schools in New York City. For example.

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Speaker 1: People always trashed the public school system. They are world

820
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Speaker 1: class public schools in New York City. They're just also

821
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: a lot of bad ones in New York City. But

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Speaker 1: that we all could agree on those things, and so

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Speaker 1: let's just focus on that as a city. We can

824
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Speaker 1: argue about the national political stuff you know later. But

825
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Speaker 1: I feel like that went away. I feel like in

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Speaker 1: the era of Trump in particular, and Deblasio got all

827
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Speaker 1: this going, it just turned into, you know, if I

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Speaker 1: can virtue signal from my four million dollars duplex on

829
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Speaker 1: the Upper West Side about how much I care about BLM,

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Speaker 1: So what if some oldly these get bludgeoned by lunatics

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Speaker 1: with hatchets in Midtown? That's pretty much what it felt

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Speaker 1: like the city turned into. I think a great example

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Speaker 1: is stop Question in Frisk. Right, So, stop Question in

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Speaker 1: Frisk was just enormously successful in lowering gun violence in

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Speaker 1: New York City. And pardon me, an interesting thing happened,

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Speaker 1: right de Blasio ends Stop Question in Frisk, And there

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Speaker 1: may have been excesses, like like maybe the police went

838
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: a little too far sometimes with this. De Blasio ends it,

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Speaker 1: and a year, two years, three years into it, everybody goes, oh, look,

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Speaker 1: no big difference in gun violence. See like the thing

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Speaker 1: didn't work, then gun violence starts to spike. Why because

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Speaker 1: what stop question in Frisk did was it said to

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Speaker 1: gang members and career criminals, you can't walk around just

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Speaker 1: holding a gun on your body, because if you do,

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Speaker 1: you might get stopped, you might get frisked, and you

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Speaker 1: might end up at Riker's Island for having this illegal gun.

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Speaker 1: So they would leave the illegal gun either at home

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Speaker 1: or in a stashbox or wherever it went. Now, the

849
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: difference between gang incitement or criminal incitement when someone has

850
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: a gun on their person versus when they have to

851
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: take twenty minutes to go get the gun, think about it,

852
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 1: and come back. That's a cultural change. And sure enough,

853
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 1: five six years later, these gun death rates are back,

854
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 1: not to where they were in the eighties, but but

855
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: getting there right because we're not disincentivizing that kind of behavior.

856
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: It's it's everything is permissive, and you know, I don't

857
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 1: know it meant people. Can I tell you one thing

858
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 1: that I was experiencing before I moved to Florida that

859
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 1: it wasn't a thing that was rare. It was a

860
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: thing that would happen every few weeks. People would follow

861
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: me in the streets and every New York right, I know.

862
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 1: And one of the things that really pisses me off

863
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 1: to is, you know, if you ever share this stuff

864
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,399
Speaker 1: publicly or if I tweet about it or something, you'll

865
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 1: always have some little beta mail who looks like he

866
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: hasn't gotten, you know, any sunlight or eating any red

867
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 1: meat in the last fifteen years. Who'd be like ny

868
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 1: that you had to deal with problems. It's like, this

869
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 1: is everybody, Okay, this is happening to people all the time.

870
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:31,320
Speaker 1: Everyone I know. You would have not a panhandler sitting

871
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: there with a cup saying, hey, can you help me out?

872
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: You know, I get it and give him, you know,

873
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 1: as you have every New York as we give money

874
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 1: to people even though a lot of times it's just

875
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 1: gonna go to drug use and we actually shouldn't and

876
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 1: then should get into the shelter system. And that's the

877
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,320
Speaker 1: reality of it. But that's all other conversation. But you

878
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 1: have guys who walk after you, who are able bodied,

879
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: maybe mid late twenties, who are saying, hey, man, I

880
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,240
Speaker 1: need some money. I need some money to take the subway.

881
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: And if you just keep walking, they keep walking with you,

882
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: and then they start screaming profanity at you. They'll call

883
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 1: you names, they'll curse at you, they'll try to instigate

884
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: some kind of an incident with you, or intimidate you

885
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 1: in giving them money. I must have had that happen

886
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 1: five or six times in my last year in New

887
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: York City, really ugly, because you know, I'm quiet, I'm quiet,

888
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 1: and I keep walking. I had to turn around on

889
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,399
Speaker 1: two separate occasions be like, you're going to back away

890
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 1: or this is going to actually be a problem and

891
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 1: I'm not, you know, oh and so tough guy or something.

892
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 1: Or you could let somebody keep, you know, shouting in

893
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: your face that they're gonna beat the crap out of

894
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 1: you and you know, kill your whole family unless you

895
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 1: give them five dollars. Like this is what you were

896
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: dealing with the New York City. All of those people

897
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 1: are criminals. All of the people doing this have committed

898
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: all kinds of felonies in their past. It is never

899
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: a surprise when they finally get arrested for stabbing grandma

900
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 1: with an ice pick. And yet the libs are all, oh,

901
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:54,240
Speaker 1: we incarcerate too many people. No, we don't. Actually I'm sorry,

902
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 1: but we don't. I'll tell you a funny story. So

903
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: it's like two weeks ago or something like the one

904
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: place I still like to walk right, Like West Virginia

905
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: is not a big walking place, but I can walk

906
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: to seven to eleven. Takes me about twelve minutes to

907
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: get there, at twelve minutes to get back, and so

908
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: I often sort of walk over to seven to eleven.

909
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:17,879
Speaker 1: And I'm walking to seven to eleven and this big,

910
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: you know, sort of like you know, black pickup truck

911
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 1: is slowing down behind me and like coming to a

912
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 1: stop next to me, and all of my Brooklyn instincts

913
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: kick in and I'm like, oh my god, like what

914
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 1: is this? Like what am I going to deal with here?

915
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: So I get the face on like I'm ready to

916
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 1: go right and the guy lowers his window and he's

917
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: sitting there with his wife and he says, you know, hey,

918
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 1: I'm Jake. I'm new to the neighborhood. You know, I'm

919
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,320
Speaker 1: new here, but I'm a pastor and we're starting a

920
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 1: new church if you're interested. And he hands me a

921
00:52:54,800 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: flyer and I felt so dirty buck. I just I

922
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: just I felt like I felt like, oh I got you,

923
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 1: horrible person, your your first instinct. Here was somebody wants

924
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 1: something from you, somebody's you know, trying to take advantage

925
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 1: of you. And here was a guy who was like, Hey,

926
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 1: I'm starting at church, do you want to come? You know?

927
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: And I'm a Catholic and it was Presbyterian or something,

928
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: so I can't. But still, yeah, you were like, come

929
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 1: back to me when you got the real thing. I'm kidding.

930
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 1: I'm kidding, no, but but you understand what I'm saying

931
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 1: right like, like that was just a moment where I

932
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:35,879
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, I'm not in Brooklyn anymore. Yeah. I mean, look,

933
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 1: I'm as I'm talking to you right now, David, as

934
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 1: we're sitting down having this chat that I'm not kidding.

935
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 1: The next place I am going as soon as we

936
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 1: are done, I'm going to pick up my brand new

937
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 1: Daniel Defense AAR fifteen. And I'm excited because you know

938
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 1: what else I'm probably gonna do. I'm probably gonna get

939
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: myself a saccato. I might actually also get a Bretta

940
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:00,479
Speaker 1: shotgun so I can go Clay pigeon shooting and maybe

941
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 1: you know, if I want. I don't like hunting, but

942
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 1: I like to Clay pigeon shoot. Um but I'm gonna

943
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 1: go do that. And it's so weird because I was

944
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: trained by the government to use pistols. I am four

945
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 1: fully automatic, sort of like the Air fifteen. I was

946
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 1: trained by the government to do these things. I came

947
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: back home, lived in New York, and they disarmed me.

948
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 1: You're not allowed to have it. Now I have any

949
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:22,439
Speaker 1: of these things. And I live in the Free State

950
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: of Florida, and they're like, yeah, you're a citizen, you're

951
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 1: an American, you have second radment rights, You're allowed to

952
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: go buy guns. It's actually hard to process that. I mean,

953
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,839
Speaker 1: I love it, but there's this there's I almost feel

954
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: like I'm going to go into the gun store here

955
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: in Florida and there's gonna be like FBI guys waiting like, hey,

956
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 1: we you know you're not allowed to buy We fooled

957
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:45,320
Speaker 1: them again, like you're not allowed to buy guns, like

958
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 1: you're a you're a New Yorker. It's like, well, actually,

959
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: I'm a Floridian now. I live in Florida, and driver's

960
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: license is Florida. I live in Florida, and well pick

961
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 1: your poison. You know, you can go. You can go

962
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: buy a gun wherever you want. In New York, you

963
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 1: could have you know, well, we'd are a joint in

964
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 1: nanny bodega. Right. Well. I also I think, look, this

965
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 1: is a whole other thing too, you know, and I

966
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 1: need to have you back because we're even going over time.

967
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 1: But like I enjoy just David and I are friends

968
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 1: in real life. I enjoy just talking about all this

969
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 1: stuff because I think I'm somebody who will admit that

970
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 1: I think I was fooled by the libertarian case for

971
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 1: we extending into even more and more permissive laws about

972
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 1: not just marijuana, but you know, these drug programs and

973
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 1: everything it is that it is. Unfortunately, the degradation of society, Fennel,

974
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 1: is more dangerous than anything else we have ever seen

975
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 1: by far. And we all have this idea of like

976
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 1: we just need to treat, we just need to treat

977
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: the drugs. I don't think we'll ever be able to

978
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 1: stop this stuff as long as people want it. I'm

979
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 1: not naive, but as a society, I do think we

980
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: have to say you just can't do this stuff. You

981
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 1: can't sell it. If you sell it, you have to

982
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:52,399
Speaker 1: be in you know, held to sub I'll tell you though,

983
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,879
Speaker 1: buck on the gun on the gun thing. Um, I'm

984
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,879
Speaker 1: really on the fence because you know, I feel safe

985
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 1: in my community and stuff. But um, I don't. I've

986
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 1: never felt responsible enough to be a gun owner, Like

987
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:08,800
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm the person who would lose it.

988
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 1: But see, here's you started out this conversation. You started

989
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 1: out by saying, you know, obviously you're in West Virginia,

990
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:18,800
Speaker 1: plenty of guns. Um, you started out by saying, you know,

991
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 1: I don't think I A lot of people in my

992
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 1: community though, do have it. Yeah, but that makes the

993
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 1: whole community safer. I mean, you go to a state,

994
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 1: for example, that has concealed carry, and the bad guys

995
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:30,839
Speaker 1: have to think about if I go into this place

996
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 1: and I just want to rob, I want to take

997
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:34,320
Speaker 1: the watch and wallet of every person in this in

998
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 1: this restaurant of forty people, it's probably somebody in there

999
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 1: in Texas and Florida and West Virginia who's armed up.

1000
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:45,359
Speaker 1: In New York's a city, it's a different now, it's free,

1001
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:48,360
Speaker 1: it's a free for all. You got no Philly. I

1002
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 1: grew up in Philly. I spent most of my adulthood

1003
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: in New York. And the obvious answer there is give

1004
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 1: them your watch give them your wallet, right, I mean,

1005
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:58,319
Speaker 1: that's it, like like that's just that's what we're all

1006
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 1: taught to do. That's that's that's what you're supposed to do.

1007
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 1: Um No, I mean the notion of like maybe I

1008
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 1: have a gun on me and I can tell this

1009
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 1: guy not to that's very that's honestly very foreign to me. Buck. Yeah, well,

1010
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 1: I've been trained. So the good news is, David, when

1011
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 1: we go out to dinner in Florida, UM, I'll probably

1012
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 1: be strapped and if anything bad happens, I'll take care

1013
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 1: of you. Well, I gotta leave it got into trouble.

1014
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 1: It's funny the Florida guy taking care of the West

1015
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 1: Virginia guys. Hey man, David, Where should people go to

1016
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 1: follow you? Follow your work? And I really will come back.

1017
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 1: I want to talk drugs with you. I want to

1018
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: talk illegal immigration, cartels, all kinds of stuff. So we'll

1019
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 1: do that next month. But where should people go to

1020
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 1: follow your work? I'm at blue Box Dave, on Twitter

1021
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 1: and on pretty much most of the platforms that you

1022
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 1: know you can read me at Daily Mail, Daily Wire,

1023
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 1: Fox News, Spectator, human Events. Um. You know, I try

1024
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 1: to try to uh, you know, what I like to do,

1025
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 1: Buck is is I want to write for everybody who's

1026
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 1: on the right, because I think we have these factions now.

1027
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 1: I think sometimes there's in fighting. I like everybody. I

1028
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 1: think everybody's fighting the good fight, and so I like

1029
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 1: to be out there. I actually agree with you. That's

1030
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 1: why I don't take shots at right wing people on

1031
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 1: the very large radio show that I do every day.

1032
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:12,439
Speaker 1: I don't do it. I mean politicians, yes, but people

1033
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 1: in the media. We're all in the same team. David.

1034
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 1: Great to see you, my man, talk next time. Okay,

1035
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 1: thanks for having me man. Okay.