WEBVTT - Draft Show: Ranking The Top Wide Receivers 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:13.320 This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Cowboys 0:00:13.600 --> 0:00:17.600 on your war room for insider news and draft analysis 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:21.120 from deep within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at Valley Rand, 0:00:21.200 --> 0:00:25.560 the Dallas Cowboys Selection Byrand Joe and now your hosts 0:00:25.680 --> 0:00:31.360 Dane Brugler, David Hellman and Brian brought us twenty seven 0:00:31.440 --> 0:00:35.320 days until we get to do this for real. But 0:00:35.479 --> 0:00:39.599 right now we get to try and investigate and educate 0:00:40.479 --> 0:00:43.640 all things NFL Draft. You have the Draft Show with 0:00:44.479 --> 0:00:49.560 Dan Brugler from CBS Sports and Dallas Cowboys dot Com, 0:00:49.640 --> 0:00:54.920 David Hellman from Dallas Cowboys dot Com and now a veteran, 0:00:55.120 --> 0:00:59.280 a two time veteran of draft or Pro Day coverage, 0:00:58.960 --> 0:01:02.520 Yea Baylor and I need you, yeah, rapping wrapping them up. 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:05.600 Good job on all that. Probably one one more week 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:08.360 of Pro Days, one more weeks, one more week next 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:12.200 week ago what A and M and uh Memphis, Yeah, 0:01:12.319 --> 0:01:16.560 Memphis were getting We're getting close to teams, We're getting 0:01:16.560 --> 0:01:19.560 close to visits. I feel we're getting close to that 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:22.399 time where like when you've studied enough, you're like I 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:24.560 know it or I don't you know and shut the 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:27.600 book and you're like whatever, let's do this. Well, that's 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:30.839 that's our show. I mean, we're gonna try twenty seven days. 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:34.559 I know. It's when we're looking at German wide receivers. Yeah, 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:37.119 we're talking about that. Don't ruin that, all right, that's 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:39.080 coming up later in the show. I heard, Okay, well 0:01:39.080 --> 0:01:42.680 that's a nice tease. Dave Good Radio right there again 0:01:42.760 --> 0:01:45.920 the Draft Show here from the SWBC Mortgage Studios. I 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:52.240 got all the scouting guys involved here. Ken Garrison, Executive producer, Um, 0:01:52.280 --> 0:01:54.720 I want to jump in like I always do. Dan, 0:01:54.840 --> 0:02:01.280 you and I were talking about this earlier. Polarizing players. Yeah, yeah, 0:02:01.440 --> 0:02:07.640 players that make us pause or make us fight, like 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:13.200 hell yeah, create debate, And I was interested in some 0:02:13.280 --> 0:02:16.080 of your thoughts about that because you and I and 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:17.880 I like it when I don't see eyed eye with 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:20.480 you guys, and I loved it when I was working 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:23.480 in draft rooms and I didn't see eyed eye. But 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:26.120 we needed to come to a consensus. Sure, we're in 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:28.280 a political year right now, we're trying to figure these 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:32.240 guys out. But I think it's important though, as we 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:35.480 start to build this draft board, as we start to 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:37.360 look at these guys, you know you gotta put your 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:42.040 feelings aside. Once that's over with, but talk about what 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:45.200 you feel like though. I mean, you know, when when 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:48.480 we work through this, as we go along and you 0:02:48.560 --> 0:02:52.640 and I talk about Bosa and guys like that, and 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:55.079 we get you know, we just kind of and it's 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:57.880 not that I think you're wrong, and I'm sure it's 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:01.000 not maybe you think I'm wrong, but but talk about 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:03.880 a little bit your feelings on that. Well. It's one 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:05.880 of the reasons the drafts is so fun is because 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:09.600 two sets of eyes can see totally different things, you know, 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:12.640 and ice cream exactly, I call that, say that all 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:14.519 the time. And so we talked about We talked to 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:17.440 Joey Bosa to death. You know, I like him a lot. 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:20.680 You don't like him as much. I think, you know, 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:24.119 mister Hellman somewhere in the middle. That's fair. Yeah, So, 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:25.800 you know, and there's a lot of those types of 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:28.200 guys this year. Um, so let's go through a few 0:03:28.200 --> 0:03:30.840 of them and you know, kind of debate where we 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:34.440 think they are. One guy is really interesting, West Virginia's 0:03:34.440 --> 0:03:38.280 safety Carl Joseph. You know, if you put on the highlights, 0:03:38.840 --> 0:03:41.880 you know, watch him against Oklahoma last year. He's Earl Thomas. Yeah, 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:44.839 the way he flies around the field, but he also 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:47.680 has some negative place. He's also coming off a knee injury, 0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:49.400 and there's a lot of things you have to worry 0:03:49.400 --> 0:03:51.040 about there. But you know, there are a lot of 0:03:51.080 --> 0:03:52.720 people that like him, think he's one of the best 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:57.119 defensive backs in this class. May I ask if we're 0:03:57.120 --> 0:03:59.720 bringing this up because of what mister Riddick said on TV, 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:03.240 and Lewis is one of them. I mean, he has 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:04.960 a lot of fans out there. He has a ton 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:08.960 of fans, so and he top top draft, top defensive 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:10.920 back in the draft. That's amazing to me. And that's 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:13.920 if you watch the highlights, he's Earl Thomas. But it's 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:15.760 hard for me to get on that train when you 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:19.640 watch the entire tape and he's flying around, missing these tackles. 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:22.479 He's putting himself out of position because he's sure over aggressive, 0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:24.479 sure that it works against him. I mean, his best 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:27.400 trait is his aggressiveness. That's also his worst trait. It's 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:29.560 also the thing that when you do you will watch 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:33.320 him fly forward in a hurry, I mean like it's 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:36.479 a blue blur coming for the football and then all 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:38.599 of a sudden. He is four yards passed the ball 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:40.560 care and the ball care is going up the field, 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:44.280 and you're going, wait a minute, he just Okay, he 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:47.520 three plays ago he made that tackle. Right now he's 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:51.119 missing that tackle. I was surprised Lewis went that route 0:04:51.160 --> 0:04:55.000 on him, though. I really draft value on Karl Joseph 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:59.200 until I saw that on TV saying he's the best 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:02.040 defensive back in the draft. I was under the impression 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:05.840 he was like a consensus thirty to fifty type pick. 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:07.920 That's where I would have pegged him. Yeah, I had 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:10.800 him in the second round. Yeah, and I don't know 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:13.760 if if if, and I don't think it's Brian Broadest. 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:17.080 Looking at highlights, I see I see some value there. 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:19.520 I do see a guy. I do see a guy 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:25.160 that the ball does gravitate towards him, interceptions, balls, fumbles, 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:28.440 he's around the football like his highlights again, and his 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:30.760 highlights are like really impressive too, because he kills me. 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:33.840 He does. Yeah, he just he does. He is a blur. 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:36.159 He is a blue blur when they when they play. 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:39.919 Maybe my biggest disappointment of the Senior Bowl was that 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:41.760 he pulled out of it. He was supposed to be there. 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:44.440 Wasn't he his knee? Yeah, yeah, he's not right. He 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:46.400 couldn't work out of the combine. Yeah, at the combine. 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:48.880 He's why aren't we talking about that? Well, I mean 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:50.560 that's part of it. That's definitely part of it, because 0:05:50.600 --> 0:05:52.919 he's I asked him at combine, you know, when do 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:55.039 you think he'll be back on or ready to go? 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:57.640 And he said, well, hopefully by training camp. Now that 0:05:57.800 --> 0:05:59.760 that was a little a little bell went off, like 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:01.920 great training camp. That's not a good well, and we'll 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:03.760 know more about it. You know, we got we got 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:06.080 the rechecks coming up on the floor. You seem like 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:08.200 you don't have him as a second round or a 0:06:08.200 --> 0:06:10.360 player in the thirty to fifty range. I have him 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:14.240 in an early third because, look, your safety is your 0:06:14.279 --> 0:06:18.039 last line of defense. Yeah, Okay, he's a guy you 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:21.279 need to rely on, and he's going to give you 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:24.359 those splash plays, and so you have to you know, 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:27.559 wigh the splash plays, the positive plays with the plays 0:06:27.600 --> 0:06:31.240 he's going to give up, and so you know, what's 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:33.760 better to have a boring safety who just kind of 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:37.640 does everything. Okay, Bell exactly not gonna not gonna make 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:39.359 a lot of mental mistakes, but you're not really going 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:41.680 to create either. Or is it better to have a 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:45.440 Karl Joseph who is going to create some action, but 0:06:45.480 --> 0:06:48.480 he's also gonna miss it as well. And safeties are 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:50.440 tough because again they're the last line of defense. You 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:52.720 have to be able to trust them. It's a fine 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:55.880 line there. And Karl Joseph, he's a very interesting test case. 0:06:55.920 --> 0:06:58.000 And you throw in the knee injury. That's why I 0:06:58.000 --> 0:07:00.400 have an early third on him. Yes, this, where do 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:06.120 you have cash? He's he's in that late second, early third. Yeah, 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:09.000 he's a little different because he needs he needs. For 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:11.600 one team, he might be a late second or early third, 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:13.640 but for another team he might be you know, a 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:16.000 fourth or a fifth because of the way that he'd 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:18.920 be used. You know, he needs that Dion Buchanan role 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:21.880 where he's going to be hunting downhill versus a run. 0:07:22.200 --> 0:07:24.400 I don't trust him in reverse, right, and he plays 0:07:24.440 --> 0:07:27.160 a lot in the slot. Yeah, exactly right, but you 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:29.320 know I want him against the run. So in the 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:33.400 right situation, in the right scheme, he's worth a late second, 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:36.560 early third. And the reason I asked that is because 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:40.360 he does tackle. He is consistent tackle yeah, but he 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:42.280 doesn't also doesn't have the rain, but he doesn't have 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:44.680 the rain nearly that Joseph. I was just trying to 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:46.920 get a gauge because I have cash on my board 0:07:46.960 --> 0:07:49.320 the third round, so I was trying to gauge if 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:52.760 you have if you have Joseph in the third round. 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:55.480 I was trying to see, so you obviously have do 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:58.480 you have him like a cash like a round later 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:02.720 I have. Let me look at Ramsey's my number one safety, right, 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:05.040 Vaughn Bell's number two at the second round grade and 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:07.680 then I've got three guys in that late second, early 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:12.920 third that's Karl, Joseph, Kean O'Neil, and uh Jeremy Cash. Okay, 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:16.960 give me range, cash money. It's Lindsay cash drop right there. 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:19.400 I have a feeling give me a range every day, 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:21.760 especially on this team, because that's what they don't have 0:08:21.880 --> 0:08:24.480 at safety here. Yeah, and if he makes some mistakes, 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:26.440 that's fine. I mean it's not fine. You know what 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:29.000 I mean? Oh, Dave, don't say that. I go be 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:32.440 sitting in hinds field and Joseph comes running up and 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:34.800 misses a player want to pull up and you want 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:37.080 to pull up the tape of JJ Wilcox. Oh sure, 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:42.520 but I hear you. I hear crying every game almost 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:45.720 and especially on the road, and you're like, oh god, 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:50.240 he's gonna tackle today? Yeah? Does? He takes horrible angles 0:08:50.240 --> 0:08:52.680 and he doesn't have any range. Okay, doesn't get to 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:54.960 the ball. Okay, he doesn't. Does he get to the 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:58.480 ball ever? I mean, hey, I'm just saying he doesn't. 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:00.440 I'm saying you're saying you're not giving the guy with 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:02.840 rage and you're not going to complain. I'll deal with 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:05.320 the mistakes if he's capable speaking of it. And I 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:07.079 know you want to get to another guy to talk 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:09.600 about Neil a little bit. Now, there's a guy that 0:09:09.679 --> 0:09:12.040 kind of will miss on you a little but has 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:14.640 ranged right when he hits you, you feel it, you do. 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:17.199 He plays He's one of those guys that misses a 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:19.640 tackle and then the next three plays he is hurting 0:09:19.679 --> 0:09:22.560 somebody because he plays mad. Yeah, you could tell on 0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:25.200 tape he's playing mad because his teammates are trying and 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:27.080 he's just he didn't want anything to do with his teammates. 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:29.079 He's just kind of, you know, going back to the huddle, 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:31.199 get away from me. Yeah, because he plays mad. He's 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:34.440 a decleter. He looks to take the ball carrier and 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:38.000 just eliminate him, a separate man from ball. What I 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:42.360 don't love about Neil is single digit passes defense over 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:44.959 his career. Uh not gonna get make a lot of 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:47.920 plays on the ball in the air. Um, too much 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:50.160 spacing when you you know, put him a man coverage. 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:53.120 But he's a solid player. I think he'd be a 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:56.040 starter in this league. Okay, I get some other guys 0:09:56.040 --> 0:09:58.160 on that. You know a guy we've talked about before, 0:09:58.400 --> 0:10:04.440 U Baylor's Corey Coleman. Ah, Yeah, I mean I know 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:05.960 this is a player that I think could be a 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:08.560 first round pick. I put him up there. I know 0:10:08.640 --> 0:10:10.640 you're not as high as him, and you're not alone. 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:11.880 I mean, there are a lot of people that have 0:10:12.559 --> 0:10:15.640 strong concerns just coming from that offense. Is that the 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:17.800 biggest reason why you're not as high in Corey Coleman? 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:19.920 You know what, I saw a guy that I thought 0:10:19.960 --> 0:10:23.199 was short on tape, short and as far as height, yeah, 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:26.200 I didn't see yet stature I didn't see. Again, he's 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:27.679 not a big guy. Yeah. And you were at the 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:30.840 and you were and you were at the Baylor pro day. Yeah, 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:34.240 your impressions of him, he wowed me. I was really impressed. 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:37.040 I mean it's funny like whenever you see a guy 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:41.080 or watch something or you get this experience, you know, like, yeah, 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:43.040 Brian Broad is telling you something in your head, just 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:44.839 get a foggy brain for I mean, I would have 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:48.440 taken Corey Coleman not at four, but I certainly I'm not. 0:10:48.920 --> 0:10:50.720 I'm not gonna be surprised if he's a first round pick. 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:53.320 I think he's that good. And I know the Baylor 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:57.440 thing scares a lot of people, but sure, I and yeah, 0:10:57.480 --> 0:11:00.280 he's definitely he's not tall. I mean, what what's do 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:04.240 y'all have a Yeah, he measured five. I thought he was. Listen, 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:07.000 I thought he was a five nine guy. I thought 0:11:07.080 --> 0:11:09.040 he was a f And then, like Dane says, so 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:12.560 you watch him and half the time he's not doing anything. 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:15.800 I hate to make this comparison because he's so good 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:19.120 and so explosive, but like, everything from his demeanor to 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:22.439 his versatility reminds me of Odell Beckham a little bit. 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:26.160 I know that that's I hate that, and I know 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:29.840 that's why people hate making much because that's just the 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:33.199 vibe that I get, And honestly, I think he between 0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:36.320 his speed and his versatility, I think he can do 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:37.839 a little bit of that. You know, I think a 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:39.440 lot of people probably see him as a slot guy, 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:41.439 but I think he could line up outside too. I've 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:44.440 had multiple scouts tell me they see Steve Smith. Yeah, 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:47.959 that's it. That's a great comparison to the third round pick. Still, 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:51.560 Steve Smith was a bad man. That guy. Let me 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:54.839 tell you what he is. He's got some hindes warding him, 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:57.560 that Steve Smith. And I love hin kinds word has 0:11:57.559 --> 0:11:59.560 some Steve Smith, and I mean Steve Smith. I think. 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:02.280 I'm mean Odell Beckham is the new hotness in the NFL. 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:07.360 But I think that's a more flattering comparisons being Yeah. Absolutely, 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:09.640 you can make a case he's Hall of Fame work. Yeah. 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:11.920 So anyway, so what it was, what do you think? Well, 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:15.320 I mean, that's it goes. Part of it is, you know, 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:20.280 he's running such a basic route tree. It's unchallenged routes. 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:23.000 It's half field reads in that Baylor offense, so it 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:25.520 is tough to get a true read. Keep preaching day, 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:27.920 But I just I think there's too much athleticism and 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:33.600 aggressiveness and just pure want to that. I don't think. 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:35.840 I don't see how he's going to be simply an 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:37.840 average player in the NFL. I mean, I think he 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:41.960 can be at worst, you know, a low end starter 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:44.440 and a player that's gonna push for Pro Bowls because 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:47.120 he just he finds a way to be productive and 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:49.840 make an impact. I mean twenty touchdowns in the first 0:12:50.280 --> 0:12:53.160 like ten games last year, of all of all of 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:56.640 the all right, I mean you got were universally agree 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:59.360 that tread Well's the top receiver. Yeah, he'll probably be 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:04.120 gone by fifteen or so. Ye, So of that pack 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:07.080 of guys after that, you got your Coleman, you got 0:13:07.080 --> 0:13:11.400 your Docks, and you got your toast, your fuller. Rank 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:16.320 them where, because I I feel I would probably put 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:18.880 Coleman first in that group. I'm with you. I've got 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:23.280 uh tread Rolls number one, and then Corey Coleman, Dockson Thomas. 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:26.000 I have those three guys. I have very close late 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:28.360 first early second round grades on all three of them. 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:33.760 I went Dotson, Thomas, Coleman not a fan. I'm just 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:36.320 telling you. And you have Coleman in your second or third. 0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:38.800 I had him. I had him in the second round. Come, hey, 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:42.160 that's we're talking about molar rising guys. I mean, yeah, 0:13:42.200 --> 0:13:43.960 got a low. There are plenty of people that are 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:46.520 not sold on Corey. See, you guys make an interesting 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:49.560 argument because when you start comparing somebody to Steve Smith. 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:52.200 For me, but that freaks me out though, because you're 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:54.480 comparing to him a possible Hall of Fame player. He's 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:57.080 never played in the NFL. But I just hey, there's 0:13:57.080 --> 0:13:59.560 stings you're going back to. Look at. There's things about Coleman. 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:02.240 You see throwing him to football and there you see 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:05.280 the explosiveness and the speed and all that. With the 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:07.520 ball in his hands. I think he's got better hands 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:10.360 than the Baylor prospect that we're familiar with as well. 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:12.880 Well the ball, the ball gets on this guy. I know, 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:15.320 we know that. We we talked, we had draft shows 0:14:15.320 --> 0:14:18.560 talking about saying, yeah, you know people here you know 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:20.520 that always said they're like, don't draft him. He went 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:22.920 to Baylor, Karence went to Baylor. Like that he's a 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:25.760 different player. That's not that's not true. Actually was a 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:32.960 past to Beasley. Yeah, thanks, coach. Polarizing players. Um let's 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:38.600 do another one. Arkansas running back are y'all gonna be okay, 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:40.920 They're like, are y'all gonna fight right now? No, No, 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:43.040 they're sure. There are people that y'all got into it 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:46.000 about this guy at the combine. I remember it decidly. Yeah, 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:48.440 Alex Collins for some people as a second round player, 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:51.120 is are you one of those people? I don't have 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:53.120 him in the second round. My only second round back 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:56.400 is Dixon. Where do you have him? Third? Okay? I 0:14:56.400 --> 0:15:00.320 thought you were gonna say fourth, Yeah, I'm the third round. Well, 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:02.000 there are a lot of people that love him in 0:15:02.040 --> 0:15:05.520 the second Yeah, I like Dixon Moore in the second. Yeah. 0:15:05.760 --> 0:15:07.920 A lot of people think that we're gonna be talking 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:10.720 about Collins as duking it out with Henry to be 0:15:10.760 --> 0:15:15.080 the number two running back drafted. Yeah, which Collins. Excuse 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:17.880 me to say that again, Collins and Henry taking it 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:20.600 out with Derek be the second running back back. I 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:24.840 don't I know, it's it's it's it's it's Dixon or Henry. 0:15:25.080 --> 0:15:28.040 It's Dixon or Henry. I feel what do you say? 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:30.040 What do you you're smirking at me? I don't like 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:32.200 when you smirk it. I'm with you. I have I 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:34.600 have a late third, early fourth on Collins. Oh okay, 0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:36.600 I'm not I'm not sold. He's the top one hundred 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:38.680 guy at all. But see, the polarising guy you should 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:41.840 have brought up was Henry. Well, it's a polarizing guy, 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:44.680 but Collins is College is like, Okay, I can live 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:46.680 with it. If you want to argue, I'll argue with 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:48.480 you about Henry. But I'm saying there are plenty of 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:50.800 people are gonna be the number two running back drafts. 0:15:50.800 --> 0:15:53.160 Oh so you're kicking some people in the in the 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:56.000 you know what because of they think of Collins. Right, 0:15:56.120 --> 0:15:58.200 not just polarizing in this room, but polar rising. Run 0:15:58.240 --> 0:15:59.840 the people I talked to run the league, you know 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:03.080 people I trust. People think that Collins could be the 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:05.600 number two running back drafted a second round pick. That 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:09.120 would be a shocker for me. That's like a look up, 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:12.360 Like whoa that card gets. We're sitting here and by 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:14.400 the way, our draft coverage, we're going wall to wall 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:16.880 on our draft coach. We're gonna do the same exact 0:16:16.920 --> 0:16:19.040 thing we did last year. We're gonna sit here until 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:21.200 every single picks made and talk about it. So when 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:24.240 that card gets handed in in the second round, you're 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:27.360 gonna think. I think we'll all do that. Well, this 0:16:27.400 --> 0:16:29.480 man right here, he'll have a heart attack. We'll say 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:31.120 some stuff that and I don't need him to go 0:16:31.160 --> 0:16:33.320 away good or really bad. About a year. It'll be great. 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:36.200 Dane will get real quiet. Running Backs are always tough, 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:39.080 because I remember last year we talked about running backs 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:41.720 at Nazi. Yeah, I mean the second third round and 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:44.240 the order they came off. You know, TJ Yelden was 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:47.400 the first one, and then I think Abdullah Can't was next. Yeah, 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:49.480 you know, Tevin Coleman fell a little bit, Duke Johnson 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:51.880 fell up it. So I mean with these these running backs, 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:55.200 I wouldn't besides Zeke at number one, I don't think 0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:57.480 we can get too locked into an order after that. 0:16:57.600 --> 0:16:59.600 I mean after Zeko's number. Sure, we can't just follow 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:02.360 my I know that's the way it should fall. It's 0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:05.320 not going to We're gonna see some surprise. Guarantee it 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:08.879 guarantee we're gonna see with these running backs. He see Dan, 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:11.160 I think he's running. We're in April now and he's 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:13.920 starting to talk to some people here. I'm liking DeVante 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:15.800 Booker as a second running back drafted would you be 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:19.000 really that surprised. No, honestly, I would that I would. 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:21.879 I would not Booker Collins. I would. Y'all are the 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:23.760 y'all are the gurus. But I'm gonna be a little 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:26.160 bit surprised if Henry's not the second running back taken, 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:30.200 I think everything, and he'll do a handstand and cheer 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:34.560 and no, I'll you know, a third round grade on. Well, 0:17:34.680 --> 0:17:36.560 I don't know why this is surprising. I told you 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:39.960 only have one back in the second round. That's third. Yeah, okay, 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:41.720 I don't know why this is surprising you, because we've 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:44.919 been saying since February that, like after Zeke, you just 0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:49.800 have this disgusting jumble back. It's clearly a second running back. 0:17:49.920 --> 0:17:53.280 You had Dixon in the third earlier this year. We've 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:57.080 had no no about this. I did say we had 0:17:57.080 --> 0:18:00.359 to do something. He's a better player. Yeah, you guys 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:02.800 don't know running backs. That's the issue, however, man. I 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:04.520 like though. I like the fact that we brought up 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:07.240 collins name though. But the thing that worries me about 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:09.560 Collins is I don't see him catching the ball. No, 0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:12.080 I don't see him blocking very well. Give me the 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:15.239 guy that could do it. All my biggest worries the fumbles. Hey, 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:16.760 let me give you a little heads up. There's a 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:20.200 there's a NFC running back coach that was nice catching 0:18:21.119 --> 0:18:24.520 running back coach in the AFC saw this little quote 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:28.240 he compared Zeke. He says he's got the same traits 0:18:28.280 --> 0:18:32.200 as Peterson. He says, you can't punch holes in Peterson. 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:34.160 That's one of those you can't punch holes in Zeke 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:37.520 people a pretty strong huh yeah, really strong person. Is 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:39.120 just a freak. Though it might be the same guy 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:43.240 like Collins though too, how about that though, I mean, 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:45.520 that's a coach coming out. You know, hopefully it's not 0:18:45.560 --> 0:18:48.679 a rookie AFC running back coach. It might be one 0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:51.439 of those very cats. That's tough because Peterson's just such 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:54.679 a freak athletically, just the way he's built. I agree 0:18:54.720 --> 0:18:58.439 with that, But can't you don't Zeke out. He's not 0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:01.560 the freakish athlete that Peterson, but he's still capable of 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:04.359 doing all the same things, right, I mean, he is 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:07.359 a complete back. Who can take twenty five about Girly 0:19:07.480 --> 0:19:10.280 last year the ball blocks? Who do you have a 0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:13.800 higher grade? I love Girly, I love I love girly. 0:19:13.920 --> 0:19:17.080 So if they're both, you're fantasy drafting, you're taking girly 0:19:17.160 --> 0:19:20.800 over zeke By just because I know, not even thinking 0:19:20.840 --> 0:19:24.040 about it. Yeah, I'm thinking about it girls in this 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:27.760 draft draft. And then it's gonna be the same argument. 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:29.640 We're doing the show next year from a really nice, 0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:32.720 beautiful studios over there, and Dane's neck of the woods, 0:19:32.880 --> 0:19:35.240 Leonard Fournett's going one. Overall, they're gonna be talking about 0:19:35.359 --> 0:19:37.320 running backs. All you folks. Are all these folks out 0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:39.119 there don't want to take a running back? Betty, here 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:42.760 we go. Well, yeah, there's no shortage in Oklahoma. There's 0:19:42.800 --> 0:19:46.440 no shortage of people on Twitter and elsewhere who want 0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:49.240 to avoid running back this year, specifically because it's a 0:19:49.280 --> 0:19:53.119 stock class. Everybody's happy. Okay, you're the guy that follows 0:19:53.160 --> 0:19:55.720 the mock drafts and the fandom and all that. Everybody, 0:19:55.840 --> 0:19:59.040 would everybody cheer? Would there be a big cheer for 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:02.800 Elliot if he's take, would would everybody just go ballist? 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:06.400 I think not ballistic, but I think the the reaction 0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:09.760 would be overwhelmingly positive. But there would be no small 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:12.159 number of people who would be aggravated or frustrated by 0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:14.280 it too. Especially. I think that's why anything is going 0:20:14.320 --> 0:20:16.040 to happen with this pick. So well, I said that 0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:17.880 last night. I said that last night. Well, I think 0:20:17.880 --> 0:20:20.919 there's one guy who really nobody would complain about, and 0:20:20.960 --> 0:20:24.280 I think it's Ramsey. Yeah, I think Ramsey. I think 0:20:24.760 --> 0:20:27.040 ninety nine percent of people would be happy with that pick. 0:20:27.560 --> 0:20:31.080 Polarizing players to those quarterbacks. Oh yeah, the moment. 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You ought to also buy 0:24:32.680 --> 0:24:35.439 the Star magazine a subscription for the year because a 0:24:35.440 --> 0:24:38.320 lot of great things going on with that as well. 0:24:38.359 --> 0:24:41.920 So a couple different ways of falling along the NFL 0:24:42.040 --> 0:24:44.640 Draft on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and then through our 0:24:44.720 --> 0:24:47.919 guides and things that we have here. Okay, it's that 0:24:48.040 --> 0:24:51.160 time of day where I thank ed Cahill for coming 0:24:51.240 --> 0:24:53.439 up with this, and I turn over to David Helmet. 0:24:53.440 --> 0:24:56.399 It is Twitter. On the Twitter, Dane gave me a 0:24:56.400 --> 0:24:59.560 really great segue right at the end of the first segment. 0:25:00.040 --> 0:25:03.959 He talked about Christian Hackenburg, who the Cowboys reportedly worked 0:25:03.960 --> 0:25:08.360 out privately. There you go, yeah, uh what. First of all, 0:25:08.359 --> 0:25:10.520 I want to talk about that too. It seems like 0:25:10.560 --> 0:25:14.800 they have been leaning way more on these private workouts 0:25:14.800 --> 0:25:18.080 and not so much the pro day's. Is the reasoning 0:25:18.080 --> 0:25:22.320 for that the high quality, high placement of their pick. Also, 0:25:22.840 --> 0:25:25.520 John wants to know if he's a realistic option at 0:25:25.520 --> 0:25:28.119 thirty four? Is that too rich for Hackenburg? I have 0:25:28.200 --> 0:25:30.680 him in the third myself, and again they don't care 0:25:30.720 --> 0:25:33.840 what we think, but myself, I have him the third. 0:25:34.200 --> 0:25:37.840 I could understand why they're doing their due diligence on 0:25:37.880 --> 0:25:40.720 these quarterbacks though, because he's in that mix. Once you 0:25:40.800 --> 0:25:43.560 get past those top three that everybody have has on 0:25:43.600 --> 0:25:46.080 their board, and I guarantee the Cowboys will bring all 0:25:46.119 --> 0:25:48.680 three of those guys in as well on that thirty visit. 0:25:48.680 --> 0:25:51.400 They were going to figure this thing out. But the 0:25:51.400 --> 0:25:55.959 the the reason why they do the workout by themselves 0:25:56.080 --> 0:25:58.919 is they could They could incorporate their routes, they can 0:25:58.960 --> 0:26:02.920 incorporate their ops, they can incorporate their terminology, a lot 0:26:02.920 --> 0:26:06.000 of stuff, find out how this kid really ticks. And 0:26:06.080 --> 0:26:08.080 I think that's the important thing. You can go to 0:26:08.080 --> 0:26:10.199 a pro day like we did yesterday at TCU and 0:26:10.320 --> 0:26:12.639 watch boy can just kind of throw the ball around 0:26:12.640 --> 0:26:15.160 in the scripted workout, but if you really really want 0:26:15.160 --> 0:26:17.000 to get to know the kid, have him do some 0:26:17.080 --> 0:26:18.920 of your passes to see if he can do that. 0:26:18.920 --> 0:26:21.240 That's why this is important absolutely And you know, the 0:26:21.280 --> 0:26:23.560 Pro Day, like you said, it's scripted, so you know 0:26:23.600 --> 0:26:27.000 there's no you should look awesome as a quarterback going 0:26:27.000 --> 0:26:28.920 through a pro day workout. That's why come to me 0:26:29.080 --> 0:26:32.280 quarterback Pro Day workouts being really just absolutely nothing. But 0:26:32.720 --> 0:26:36.000 for the teams to individually work out these players, you know, 0:26:36.040 --> 0:26:39.000 they can tell them what routes they want exactly. Do 0:26:39.080 --> 0:26:41.000 the full round tree. They want to do, they want 0:26:41.040 --> 0:26:43.960 to see certain things. It's unrehearsed stuff exactly. It's total 0:26:44.040 --> 0:26:47.240 unrehearsed to undersnap, rollout whatever you want to do, you 0:26:47.240 --> 0:26:49.480 can make them do that. So I think it's it's 0:26:49.560 --> 0:26:51.399 it's smart for these for the Cowboys to be going 0:26:51.440 --> 0:26:53.600 through each one of these quarterbacks, working them out and 0:26:54.320 --> 0:26:56.520 just finding out more about them. This is that age 0:26:56.560 --> 0:26:58.560 old issue though. I mean you have you have hack 0:26:58.600 --> 0:27:02.160 as a third round grade too, right, but later late 0:27:02.200 --> 0:27:05.520 fourth boom. I mean I don't but if you want him, 0:27:05.600 --> 0:27:07.199 you probably have to take him a thirty fourth when 0:27:07.200 --> 0:27:08.480 that's what I was gonna say, is I mean we 0:27:08.480 --> 0:27:11.520 talk about that all the time. Quarterbacks are probably overvalued 0:27:11.560 --> 0:27:14.480 by like a full round because so always on a 0:27:14.520 --> 0:27:20.200 draft board that realistically, No, I don't over under five 0:27:20.280 --> 0:27:25.600 quarterbacks draft in the first two rounds over or over 0:27:25.840 --> 0:27:30.680 under five quarterbacks first two, three, four? Yeah probably over yeah, 0:27:30.680 --> 0:27:32.960 all right, so I think the top three and then 0:27:33.000 --> 0:27:36.919 you throw in Cook throwing Hackenburg, probably Cardale Jones and 0:27:36.960 --> 0:27:39.640 that somewhere in that second. Don't discount the precept kid 0:27:39.760 --> 0:27:43.320 from I like North Carolina State. I know, I know, 0:27:43.359 --> 0:27:44.919 and I know you're gonna give me that look, and 0:27:44.960 --> 0:27:48.159 that's fine. But again, I'm like you though, this time 0:27:48.280 --> 0:27:50.440 year you get to talk to some people. Oh yeah, 0:27:51.240 --> 0:27:52.800 he's got a lot of fans. Yeah, and you get 0:27:52.840 --> 0:27:55.040 a lot and you don't don't, don't discount because there 0:27:55.080 --> 0:27:57.480 I think there's like three levels of these guys. You 0:27:57.560 --> 0:28:00.880 talked about the Cooks and the Hackenburgh and those guys. 0:28:00.920 --> 0:28:03.520 There's like three different levels of quarterbacks. Don't you think 0:28:03.520 --> 0:28:05.560 it's like a little bit ego too, Like we we 0:28:05.640 --> 0:28:08.600 can fix him, we got this dad. Ego always gets 0:28:08.600 --> 0:28:10.840 you trouble. Then they'll be coaching at some other place 0:28:10.840 --> 0:28:13.119 when that ego gets in the way. Right, Aaron's got 0:28:13.160 --> 0:28:17.160 a really good question between his measurables and his everything 0:28:17.160 --> 0:28:20.760 about him really. William Jackson third, I mean, he's he 0:28:20.840 --> 0:28:22.919 seems like he should be in the conversation for like 0:28:23.000 --> 0:28:25.640 top corner in the draft, but you kind of see 0:28:25.720 --> 0:28:28.440 him more so toward the back end of the first round. 0:28:29.160 --> 0:28:32.000 What's what's holding him back? Why? Why is that or 0:28:32.320 --> 0:28:34.680 or where do you see him? For the right defense? 0:28:34.720 --> 0:28:36.639 I think he will be the top corner in the 0:28:36.720 --> 0:28:39.040 draft on certain draft boards, right, you know, And I 0:28:39.080 --> 0:28:41.200 think just comes down to what kind of scheme do 0:28:41.240 --> 0:28:44.800 you run? Because William Jackson, he's the best corner in 0:28:44.800 --> 0:28:47.680 this draft. With his back to the ball, he does 0:28:47.680 --> 0:28:50.960 an outstanding job of feeling the pass, making a play. 0:28:51.400 --> 0:28:54.520 He finds the ball really well. He closes on routes, 0:28:56.040 --> 0:28:57.920 so if you want him the press, he can do that. 0:28:58.000 --> 0:29:00.400 But he's just a little bit different type a player 0:29:00.400 --> 0:29:03.800 when he's playing off plan zone. Doesn't have that, you know, 0:29:03.800 --> 0:29:07.520 the lower body twitch to you know, really make up 0:29:07.520 --> 0:29:10.160 ground a small spaces. He more a long strider, So yes, 0:29:10.800 --> 0:29:12.440 a little different. So I think for some teams he 0:29:12.480 --> 0:29:14.800 will be the number one corner on the draft board, 0:29:15.080 --> 0:29:16.800 But it just depends on schemes. You know what teams 0:29:16.800 --> 0:29:18.880 will like about this guy. You could throw on tape 0:29:18.880 --> 0:29:21.320 and he's knocking the ball down. There's a lot of 0:29:21.360 --> 0:29:23.160 times you'll watch some of this tape and then and 0:29:23.200 --> 0:29:25.440 you never see a guy knock a ball down. Yeah, 0:29:25.480 --> 0:29:28.120 you'll see him cover all day. Twenty eight passes defended 0:29:28.200 --> 0:29:30.280 this past year, and that tells you a little bit like, well, 0:29:30.320 --> 0:29:32.040 you know, teams are throwing the ball at him though 0:29:32.080 --> 0:29:34.040 as well, Yeah, they were trying to, they were trying to. 0:29:34.120 --> 0:29:36.320 They felt like teams felt like they can make plays 0:29:36.320 --> 0:29:38.920 on this guy. He's That's why I think, excuse me, Dave, 0:29:39.200 --> 0:29:42.080 the measurables, the things that dates some about some of 0:29:42.120 --> 0:29:45.440 the traits. He's absolutely right about this kid. But the 0:29:45.720 --> 0:29:47.760 thing that I think teams like is you could actually 0:29:47.760 --> 0:29:50.160 see him knocking the ball down. Yeah. I think he's 0:29:50.200 --> 0:29:53.000 one of those guys that we saw as a possibility 0:29:53.080 --> 0:29:55.680 for thirty four a month ago, and now I get 0:29:55.720 --> 0:29:58.680 the idea that that's not realistic late that teams and 0:29:58.840 --> 0:30:00.720 looking at him in the late one, Yeah, I was 0:30:00.760 --> 0:30:02.320 killed it and I and I and I you know, 0:30:02.360 --> 0:30:05.280 I'll mock him every time they mocked him. It might 0:30:05.280 --> 0:30:07.360 have been you. Somebody mocked him as high as fourteen. 0:30:07.440 --> 0:30:09.520 Ye have him going to Oakland right now? Yeah, I 0:30:09.560 --> 0:30:12.080 mean now, they took a Houston receiver, they took a 0:30:12.080 --> 0:30:14.440 Houston corner before. Hey, that was that was kind of 0:30:14.480 --> 0:30:16.640 my big thing. Don't don't get caught up at the 0:30:16.640 --> 0:30:19.400 Houston part. Because William Jackson's a good player. By trapped 0:30:19.400 --> 0:30:24.320 in an LSU corner here exactly, Hey, yeah, exactly, Uh, 0:30:24.520 --> 0:30:27.680 simple man. Notre Dame had their protay yesterday. Yeah, he 0:30:27.720 --> 0:30:30.920 wants some information about Procis and his fit here. What 0:30:31.120 --> 0:30:32.640 you think about him, I know you like him a lot. 0:30:32.720 --> 0:30:34.240 I do like him a lot. He's a top five 0:30:34.280 --> 0:30:36.520 back in this class. Yeah, I believe no doubt about that. 0:30:36.760 --> 0:30:38.880 And and the thing about pro Sis that I like. 0:30:39.720 --> 0:30:41.720 I think he's learning how to be a running back. 0:30:41.760 --> 0:30:43.920 I mean when you talk that he just but he 0:30:43.960 --> 0:30:47.240 looked comfortable. He looked comfortable last year at Notre Dame 0:30:47.400 --> 0:30:49.680 when they handed him to football, he took it between 0:30:49.720 --> 0:30:53.080 the tackles. He's able to bounce it outside. I love 0:30:53.120 --> 0:30:56.960 his I love his uh, his demeanor with carrying the football. 0:30:57.080 --> 0:30:59.240 I think he finishes runs. I think when he gets 0:30:59.280 --> 0:31:01.480 near the goal line and he gets in the end zone, 0:31:01.560 --> 0:31:04.200 and I think he could run himself in and out 0:31:04.240 --> 0:31:06.600 of trouble. He's got the juice. He has got some juice. 0:31:06.640 --> 0:31:11.600 And I could see somebody taking him and him having 0:31:11.640 --> 0:31:15.560 a nice long career being an every down. I think 0:31:15.560 --> 0:31:19.240 people will develop him. He's he's got the arrow old 0:31:19.280 --> 0:31:22.360 scouting arrow going up. Guy. He's got arrow going up 0:31:22.400 --> 0:31:25.520 because he's he can learn and he's and he's proven 0:31:25.520 --> 0:31:28.240 though at Notre Dame in a big time stage, that 0:31:28.320 --> 0:31:30.720 he can can handle that on that swing. He's still 0:31:30.760 --> 0:31:34.960 developing his run tempo in sting, especially between the tackles. 0:31:35.280 --> 0:31:37.480 But you see, I mean he'll feel for a player 0:31:37.560 --> 0:31:39.960 that never played running back until a few weeks before 0:31:39.960 --> 0:31:42.800 the sounds field, Yeah, he has it. And we know 0:31:42.840 --> 0:31:44.800 he can catch the ball in the backfield. Right. He 0:31:44.840 --> 0:31:47.400 was Notre Dame Special Teams Player of the Year last year, 0:31:47.520 --> 0:31:49.800 so he can play special teams as well. So I 0:31:49.840 --> 0:31:52.120 mean there's a lot of times that you like about 0:31:52.200 --> 0:31:55.000 him that. Yeah, he's a top five back in this class. 0:31:55.120 --> 0:31:58.160 Dang ye the third, third round. I had him in 0:31:58.200 --> 0:32:01.520 the third Yeah. Uh. Word coming out this week that 0:32:01.720 --> 0:32:04.720 San Diego told Miles Jack that they see him as 0:32:04.720 --> 0:32:08.760 a safety. Justin wants to know what you think about 0:32:08.880 --> 0:32:12.840 his I mean so much if you're well, you want 0:32:13.280 --> 0:32:16.560 that's he wants a comparison. I guess a comparison Ramsey 0:32:16.560 --> 0:32:19.160 and Jack. I mean, we talk about Jack all the time, 0:32:19.280 --> 0:32:21.280 and we talk about him as a linebacker. I mean, 0:32:21.320 --> 0:32:24.360 if you're planning on playing him exclusively at safety, is 0:32:24.360 --> 0:32:26.720 he still that high of a pick? Is he worth 0:32:26.760 --> 0:32:28.479 a top five pick if you're going to play him 0:32:28.480 --> 0:32:30.640 at safety? I say, I don't, I don't, I don't 0:32:30.640 --> 0:32:32.920 know he's not a traditional safety hard you know, he 0:32:32.920 --> 0:32:34.880 needs answered that. I realize if you're gonna play him 0:32:34.880 --> 0:32:38.160 at safety, you're it's got to be a hybrid version 0:32:38.200 --> 0:32:40.000 of a safety. You know, it's got to be something 0:32:40.080 --> 0:32:42.320 where uh you know, he's lined up over the slot 0:32:42.360 --> 0:32:44.480 receiver or he's playing a lot close to the line 0:32:44.520 --> 0:32:47.440 of scrimmage. I don't want Miles Jack single high. Could 0:32:47.480 --> 0:32:49.200 he do it? Sure? He god, I mean there's nothing 0:32:49.320 --> 0:32:51.200 he can't. He could play quarterback for my team, right, 0:32:51.240 --> 0:32:53.520 you know he can do it all. But in terms 0:32:53.520 --> 0:32:56.840 of maximize his value and what his strengths are and 0:32:56.880 --> 0:32:59.480 what he does best, I want him the slot. I 0:32:59.520 --> 0:33:01.760 want him close the line of scrimmage, so he can 0:33:02.040 --> 0:33:04.600 you know, show that off that range versus run, uh, 0:33:04.680 --> 0:33:07.880 you know, making plays in the perimeter, covering guys dropping. 0:33:07.960 --> 0:33:11.080 So I mean, could he play safety? Sure, but I 0:33:11.120 --> 0:33:13.720 think you're not using his strengths. I think I'm gonna 0:33:13.720 --> 0:33:15.440 steal some words out of your mouth because I think 0:33:15.440 --> 0:33:17.880 you said it yesterday. Is that you get him near 0:33:17.920 --> 0:33:20.000 the ball? Yeah you won't want him, right? Yeah, you 0:33:20.040 --> 0:33:24.160 won't him? Yeah? Why would you allow offenses to dictate 0:33:24.200 --> 0:33:26.720 where you play him? Right? They spread you out and 0:33:26.720 --> 0:33:28.200 all of a sudden, No, No, he's his safety and 0:33:28.240 --> 0:33:31.040 he's gonna go walk in coverage and you do something 0:33:31.040 --> 0:33:32.520 else on the other side of the field and he's 0:33:32.560 --> 0:33:36.400 over here standing, you know, not doing anything. No, his 0:33:36.600 --> 0:33:39.400 strength is being around the ball. Whatever you can do 0:33:39.480 --> 0:33:42.560 to put him nearer the ball, you're helping your team 0:33:42.560 --> 0:33:45.480 playing his safety. It's just and I asked, I asked 0:33:45.520 --> 0:33:48.440 them NFL people, but I would you lean Miles Jack 0:33:48.520 --> 0:33:50.880 up and haven't play safety and that? And because I 0:33:50.960 --> 0:33:53.120 knew the answer, I knew the answer, just what I 0:33:53.200 --> 0:33:56.080 gave you. Why would you remove him from the defense? Sure? 0:33:56.680 --> 0:33:59.920 And that's exactly what these these guys were saying. It's 0:34:00.040 --> 0:34:01.840 not that he can't do it, because he can, right, 0:34:01.960 --> 0:34:04.160 but it's just, you know, to maximize his value and 0:34:04.200 --> 0:34:07.480 his strengths. Absolutely, play through the line. Yeah, close to Yeah, 0:34:07.600 --> 0:34:09.040 get me, get me right by the In the middle 0:34:09.080 --> 0:34:11.920 of all that, Aaron just literally just tweeted something to 0:34:12.000 --> 0:34:14.880 Miles Jack being big Nickel and I actually love that 0:34:14.960 --> 0:34:17.480 a lot. I mean, yeah, bring that on all day. Yeah. 0:34:17.560 --> 0:34:18.680 I had a guy. I had a guy did the 0:34:18.760 --> 0:34:20.600 day on Twitter, and I love all my Twitter people. 0:34:20.800 --> 0:34:22.839 You know, the guy on Twitter, goes I said, well, 0:34:22.880 --> 0:34:25.680 you could take if you drafted Miles Jack, you could 0:34:25.719 --> 0:34:28.319 play if you wanted to keep you want to keep 0:34:28.400 --> 0:34:31.279 Rolando on the field with Lee and then take Miles Jack. 0:34:31.320 --> 0:34:33.839 Had put him in bury Church's spot. And someone says, 0:34:34.000 --> 0:34:37.399 you would never just play with one safety. Miles Jack 0:34:37.480 --> 0:34:39.680 could cover if he has to. It's like having a 0:34:39.760 --> 0:34:43.920 safety on the field but with the linebacker size. So 0:34:43.960 --> 0:34:45.560 I mean you'd like to go. You would never just 0:34:45.640 --> 0:34:49.319 have one, say bs if the safety was if the 0:34:49.360 --> 0:34:52.520 safety was Jones, You'd had it. You'd be just fine. 0:34:52.719 --> 0:34:54.920 Creative with these guys. I mean, don't just if this 0:34:55.000 --> 0:34:56.799 isn't Madden where you you know, you had to find 0:34:56.840 --> 0:34:59.120 a free safety, had to find a strong safety had Yeah, 0:34:59.160 --> 0:35:01.040 you know, and be creat with these guys and all 0:35:01.040 --> 0:35:03.160 the different things they get locked up in the position. 0:35:03.520 --> 0:35:05.719 Just figure out where to play him. I think I 0:35:05.880 --> 0:35:09.600 trust undrafted, never played in the NFL. I feel better 0:35:09.640 --> 0:35:13.880 about Jack and coverage than J. J. Wilcox. Yeah, uh 0:35:14.160 --> 0:35:19.480 sorry anyway, Uh, Roderick wants to know we talk. We 0:35:19.520 --> 0:35:22.760 have talked a lot about wide receivers. Yeah, which raises 0:35:22.840 --> 0:35:26.680 the very solid point that the Cowboys have six of them, 0:35:26.840 --> 0:35:30.000 and if they were to do that, I people forget 0:35:30.040 --> 0:35:32.200 about Bryce Butler. And basically is what I'm trying to say, 0:35:32.239 --> 0:35:34.000 And you would you spent a fifth round pick on 0:35:34.040 --> 0:35:37.839 the guy? Is that viable when you consider who's here? 0:35:37.880 --> 0:35:40.319 And if they did do that, who's the odd man 0:35:40.360 --> 0:35:43.719 out in that scenario? I think that how much more 0:35:43.800 --> 0:35:46.440 leash does Devin Street have? That's yeah, there's your that's 0:35:46.480 --> 0:35:48.879 your question. That's the answer right there. Yeah, that that's 0:35:48.960 --> 0:35:52.319 your end to me that if there was one guy 0:35:52.440 --> 0:35:54.920 that that I was hopeful for would have taken to 0:35:55.000 --> 0:35:57.600 jump the fact that the coaches committed to playing him, 0:35:57.600 --> 0:36:00.000 he was active every week. Yeah, they threw him out there. 0:36:00.160 --> 0:36:03.600 That gave him opportunity. You know, he's on the about 0:36:03.640 --> 0:36:05.520 to be in the third year of a program where 0:36:06.160 --> 0:36:08.319 it's time to go yea, you know they they you 0:36:08.360 --> 0:36:11.440 know somebody you know as as an organization, they made 0:36:11.440 --> 0:36:13.399 the decision to pick him in the fifth round. That's 0:36:13.800 --> 0:36:17.040 that's significant right there. Tell me tell me this though, 0:36:18.000 --> 0:36:19.719 I think this makes a whole hell of a lot 0:36:19.719 --> 0:36:21.760 of sense. Knowing what we know about this coaching staff. 0:36:22.000 --> 0:36:24.279 They spent a fifth round pick to get Butler in here. 0:36:24.600 --> 0:36:28.560 He's fast, he's big, he showed a pension for making 0:36:28.600 --> 0:36:31.800 big plays when he wasn't injured. I won't be surprised 0:36:31.800 --> 0:36:34.200 at all if they're like, we got our big playmaker guy. 0:36:34.239 --> 0:36:37.040 We they basically spent a draft pick on him last year, 0:36:37.400 --> 0:36:39.880 and I wonder if that means that receiver is not 0:36:39.960 --> 0:36:41.920 the priority for them that we make it out to be. 0:36:42.120 --> 0:36:44.239 I think you have to do your due diligence though 0:36:44.280 --> 0:36:47.480 on guys like Treadwell, sure, because of what happens. If now, 0:36:47.560 --> 0:36:50.600 if he's you're in a position now as you go 0:36:50.760 --> 0:36:54.279 further down the back into this draft, then maybe the 0:36:54.360 --> 0:36:57.759 questions become a little bit less, you know. I mean 0:36:57.800 --> 0:37:00.719 we talk about we've talked about the kid from from 0:37:00.760 --> 0:37:05.000 Colorado State Higgins. You know, maybe if you get down 0:37:05.040 --> 0:37:09.239 into that fourth fifth round again, I mean, I I 0:37:09.239 --> 0:37:11.920 don't want to do it over on Devin Street in 0:37:11.960 --> 0:37:14.520 the fifth round, but maybe there's some guys that they're 0:37:14.520 --> 0:37:17.360 talking about are looking at absolutely that you know that 0:37:17.520 --> 0:37:21.759 they could It makes sense. I just this staff is 0:37:21.760 --> 0:37:24.520 so loyal to their guys, and then they've showed that 0:37:24.600 --> 0:37:27.160 with who they resign in free agency too. Yeah, so 0:37:28.000 --> 0:37:30.400 it's not going to surprise me. If stef Jack Crawford 0:37:30.400 --> 0:37:32.440 didn't get any loyalty that is all. Well, I think 0:37:32.760 --> 0:37:35.520 you can't pay everybody. Yes, I don't know, but I'm 0:37:35.560 --> 0:37:37.960 not going to be surprised if they decide and yeah, 0:37:37.960 --> 0:37:39.919 I mean maybe a late round pick or something. But 0:37:41.080 --> 0:37:42.880 I'm not gonna be surprised if they decide not to 0:37:42.920 --> 0:37:45.000 spend a big, a big pick on that position when 0:37:45.000 --> 0:37:47.919 you consider what they spent to get Butler, Yeah, that's fair. 0:37:48.000 --> 0:37:50.320 I think first we get third, fourth, fifth round. I 0:37:50.320 --> 0:37:52.279 think you know those middle rounds like that, we could 0:37:52.320 --> 0:37:54.640 see possibly see a receiver if the right one is there, 0:37:54.960 --> 0:37:57.239 and he might be the best player available for them. Um, 0:37:57.440 --> 0:37:59.520 I know in my The Star magazine, my mock for 0:37:59.520 --> 0:38:02.359 the Cowboys to have a receiver going I think fourth round. 0:38:02.440 --> 0:38:04.560 So yeah, that'd be interest because a lot of people 0:38:04.600 --> 0:38:06.879 and I'm I'm guilty of this talking about receiver at 0:38:06.880 --> 0:38:09.560 thirty four. Now what you know, the way you the 0:38:09.560 --> 0:38:11.520 way the way are you talking about it might not 0:38:12.560 --> 0:38:14.800 might not be a risk realistic at all. I don't know, 0:38:14.960 --> 0:38:18.440 even though even though the position might be the strongest 0:38:18.560 --> 0:38:20.600 on the board right at that time, and talking about 0:38:20.800 --> 0:38:22.960 so much because that's the sweet spot Yeah, they're in 0:38:23.000 --> 0:38:25.400 a good position with the defensive tackles as well. You know, 0:38:25.400 --> 0:38:27.719 they're probably not gonna take a one technique at thirty four, 0:38:28.040 --> 0:38:30.279 but you know, talking about that's where the sweet spot 0:38:30.400 --> 0:38:32.560 is to find value. That might be the pick they move. 0:38:33.360 --> 0:38:35.600 Thirty four might be the one. And by the way, 0:38:35.719 --> 0:38:37.759 I hate that though, I know, I'm just telling you. 0:38:38.000 --> 0:38:40.719 By the way, yesterday at a at pro Day, I 0:38:40.719 --> 0:38:44.640 went up to Less Snead at the rams GM. I 0:38:44.760 --> 0:38:47.480 told him, Hey, everybody on Twitter watching, to move forty 0:38:47.480 --> 0:38:49.839 three and forty five to Dallas. He goes, who am 0:38:49.840 --> 0:38:52.200 I take it? I said, just move it. Don't worry 0:38:52.200 --> 0:38:54.640 about it. I worry about just just yeah, just come 0:38:54.680 --> 0:38:56.719 on up there, and that's the pick last It is like, well, 0:38:56.719 --> 0:38:59.520 who am I gonna take? I said, don't worry about that. 0:38:59.680 --> 0:39:02.359 Just give him the picks and we'll all move on. 0:39:02.600 --> 0:39:05.440 I think he called Steven right after he got so 0:39:06.120 --> 0:39:08.240 I'm on the fence with that one. With a possible 0:39:08.239 --> 0:39:10.560 trade like that, Yeah, if I'm moving back ten plus 0:39:10.600 --> 0:39:13.760 spots in the first round, I want a future first rounder. 0:39:15.160 --> 0:39:18.759 That's just me. Honestly, it sounds great in theory, but 0:39:19.239 --> 0:39:21.719 that doesn't seem rich enough to me for forty three 0:39:21.760 --> 0:39:24.080 and forty five, would you like to have four picks 0:39:24.080 --> 0:39:26.399 inside the top fifty It sounds great. No, and it's 0:39:26.440 --> 0:39:28.600 trust me. I'm on the fence with this because I'm 0:39:28.600 --> 0:39:32.040 with two second rounders. To me, that's two. That's two, Starry. 0:39:32.360 --> 0:39:34.680 This is where this is where I think thirty four 0:39:34.760 --> 0:39:37.800 is gonna get moved. I think, don't worry about four. 0:39:38.160 --> 0:39:40.920 Someone's gonna want to come get thirty four. That's the 0:39:40.960 --> 0:39:43.440 one that's the Browns. At thirty two they hold the 0:39:43.440 --> 0:39:45.600 car because they have that first pick on Day two 0:39:45.880 --> 0:39:48.799 on Friday. Yeah, I think the Browns. I don't think 0:39:48.800 --> 0:39:51.000 there's any way they pick at thirty two. Yeah, I 0:39:51.040 --> 0:39:53.120 think the Browns move out of that spot. And so 0:39:53.400 --> 0:39:55.600 depending on who the team that moves up is going 0:39:55.640 --> 0:39:58.040 to take. Yeah, absolutely, we could see the Cowboys move back. 0:39:58.040 --> 0:40:01.080 And by the ways, the crap out, what are you getting? Well, 0:40:01.160 --> 0:40:03.080 just get real. I was gonna give you a little, 0:40:03.200 --> 0:40:05.200 a little promo here. Okay, as we get close to 0:40:05.200 --> 0:40:07.280 the draft, we're gonna have one of those mock drafts. 0:40:07.280 --> 0:40:09.320 We do need to do that where where we get closer, 0:40:09.560 --> 0:40:11.200 like the week of the draft. I want to sit 0:40:11.239 --> 0:40:14.480 down and we're gonna go through every possible way this 0:40:14.520 --> 0:40:17.839 football team could help themselves hurt themselves. So stay tuned. 0:40:17.840 --> 0:40:19.760 We need that. We need to do a trade episode 0:40:19.840 --> 0:40:22.480 two where we chart and all, oh yeah, we'll trade. 0:40:22.480 --> 0:40:24.360 We'll have some fun. We've got plenty of shows the 0:40:24.360 --> 0:40:26.239 week of the draft. But I hate the idea of like, 0:40:26.239 --> 0:40:28.239 because if you're trading back from thirty four, how far 0:40:28.320 --> 0:40:30.840 back are you trade it? And like that top fifty 0:40:31.120 --> 0:40:33.439 is that's where I want to be picking. You're talking 0:40:33.440 --> 0:40:35.920 about picking at four and then not picking until like 0:40:35.920 --> 0:40:38.560 the sixties, people sitting around looking at their board or 0:40:38.560 --> 0:40:41.480 that after that first round, going okay, let's position ourselves 0:40:41.520 --> 0:40:44.480 to get this guy to buy. Okay, you're at thirty four, 0:40:44.560 --> 0:40:47.400 so you move back twelve spots, you're still in the 0:40:47.400 --> 0:40:49.719 top fifty. Plus you pick up you know, a third 0:40:49.800 --> 0:40:52.640 or fourth? Yeah, you know it could make sense. Who 0:40:52.680 --> 0:40:54.920 wants a fourth? Really? Like, what are you really get? Well, 0:40:54.920 --> 0:40:57.200 it depends who depends who is there who we were 0:40:57.200 --> 0:40:59.439 teams trading up for. I want first and second round 0:40:59.440 --> 0:41:02.880 picks round thirty four to forty three. Take the rams 0:41:02.920 --> 0:41:06.200 forty five, get another second round pick. See pick it 0:41:06.239 --> 0:41:08.480 at forty three and forty five back to back. That 0:41:08.640 --> 0:41:13.000 doesn't seem remotely good enough, not for thirty four. It's 0:41:13.000 --> 0:41:15.279 basically a first round work through it. I gotta go 0:41:15.280 --> 0:41:17.040 to a break all right, all right, thanks for bringing 0:41:17.080 --> 0:41:19.200 that up. Thanks for everybody out there, for all those 0:41:19.200 --> 0:41:21.959 Twitter questions. We do appreciate. Okay, coming up, we're gonna 0:41:22.000 --> 0:41:24.839 play a little bit of tell me more Yes from 0:41:24.880 --> 0:41:29.840 the SWBC Mortgage Stuios. We'll be right back. 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Brian brought us day in Burglar. 0:43:40.200 --> 0:43:48.480 David Helman, Kent Garrison, executive producer. I know, it's all 0:43:48.719 --> 0:43:50.560 I was just thinking to sometimes as I was pausing 0:43:50.600 --> 0:43:54.480 for something, we were talking about mock drafts and stuff 0:43:54.520 --> 0:43:57.040 like that. So I'm looking forward to all that. I mean, 0:43:57.040 --> 0:43:59.640 it's just it's I want to get into the trades 0:43:59.640 --> 0:44:01.959 at back and fourth. Now it's like it's the time 0:44:02.000 --> 0:44:04.640 where nobody can accuse it of being too soon now, 0:44:04.760 --> 0:44:06.880 you know, like back in January it was like, really 0:44:06.960 --> 0:44:08.799 we're talking about this now Now that we know the 0:44:08.840 --> 0:44:11.799 medicals and all, now it's like let's go. Yeah it is. 0:44:12.160 --> 0:44:15.239 And also, um, we're gonna take calls at the end 0:44:15.239 --> 0:44:17.920 of the show, okay, and the numbers right there on 0:44:17.920 --> 0:44:20.839 the screen as you see eight eight eight eight five 0:44:20.920 --> 0:44:23.920 five two two ninths. Oh yeah, eight eight, five five 0:44:23.960 --> 0:44:26.399 two two nine seven is the number. We will take 0:44:26.480 --> 0:44:28.920 some calls at the end of the day. But right 0:44:29.000 --> 0:44:31.360 now we're gonna play a little tell me more. This 0:44:31.560 --> 0:44:34.640 is uh. I always forget that was coming on now. 0:44:34.719 --> 0:44:39.480 I forget every time. There we go. Now, this is 0:44:39.640 --> 0:44:42.319 the crowdsourced edition of Tell Me More, and a lot 0:44:42.360 --> 0:44:44.279 of people are gonna be happy based on my Twitter 0:44:44.360 --> 0:44:47.279 mentions that we're bringing us up. So tell me more 0:44:47.280 --> 0:44:52.240 about Morett's borringer how I don't know if I pronounced 0:44:52.280 --> 0:44:56.080 that right. The German super freak receiver who is six 0:44:56.239 --> 0:44:59.040 four two thirty and ran a four three eight this week. 0:45:00.080 --> 0:45:03.000 Measurables are off the charts. I mean on paper, he 0:45:03.280 --> 0:45:05.919 looks like an early round pick. I mean he sure 0:45:06.719 --> 0:45:09.640 he not only that, but his three cone was outstanding, 0:45:09.719 --> 0:45:14.160 his vert was great. Um, he watched the highlights and 0:45:15.360 --> 0:45:17.759 you know he's going up against these corners that look 0:45:17.840 --> 0:45:21.040 like me and Dave. I mean they're you know, five 0:45:21.080 --> 0:45:24.480 foot nine, and uh, they're not very fast. No one 0:45:24.520 --> 0:45:27.279 can challenge him. He's sure faced a corner who's really 0:45:27.320 --> 0:45:29.399 going to challenge him with a line of scrimmage. It's tough. 0:45:29.560 --> 0:45:33.120 It's a huge projection. Um. Could I see him getting 0:45:33.200 --> 0:45:35.799 drafted in the seventh round? Sure, you know it could happen. 0:45:36.080 --> 0:45:38.399 You know these teams love measurables. Sure, I think it's 0:45:38.440 --> 0:45:40.560 looking for traits, Yeah, exactly. I think it's more likely 0:45:40.600 --> 0:45:42.719 as a priority free agent, but wouldn't shock me at 0:45:42.719 --> 0:45:44.560 all if he's a later round pick. Somebody ran a 0:45:44.600 --> 0:45:47.440 photo of him catching and it looked real bad, like 0:45:47.600 --> 0:45:49.360 he was kind of doing this number like you know, 0:45:49.440 --> 0:45:51.520 like we just started playing the sport a couple of years. 0:45:52.320 --> 0:45:56.239 I mean, the route running, the technical, technical points of 0:45:56.280 --> 0:45:58.120 the game, they're just not there. And so it's a 0:45:58.239 --> 0:46:01.400 long term projection. This is where. This is where and 0:46:01.440 --> 0:46:04.640 you're talking about a guy that was an NFL europe veteran, 0:46:05.080 --> 0:46:08.640 you know, and Mike mcagnan, who's the GM at the Jets, 0:46:08.760 --> 0:46:11.719 was an NFL Europe veteran, and this is where they 0:46:11.800 --> 0:46:14.600 miss inn FFL Europe where those guys could have been 0:46:14.680 --> 0:46:17.359 over there, they could have been playing football, they could 0:46:17.400 --> 0:46:21.560 have been more comfortable. I mean, you could have found ways. Yeah, 0:46:21.680 --> 0:46:24.080 there were, there were, there were. That was the source 0:46:24.560 --> 0:46:27.600 if you wanted if we were gonna see UH players 0:46:27.800 --> 0:46:30.960 develop in Europe and then common play in the National 0:46:31.040 --> 0:46:33.719 Football League. And we don't have that. We haven't had 0:46:33.760 --> 0:46:36.160 that for ubly ten years now, you know, or more. 0:46:36.640 --> 0:46:39.560 And that's that's the disappointing thing. The guys who are 0:46:39.600 --> 0:46:44.680 the NFL h NFL Europe veterans they understand, they understand, 0:46:44.719 --> 0:46:47.279 not only could you have supplemented and the guys live. Mike, 0:46:47.400 --> 0:46:50.000 Mike mcagnan was in London. He saw it, so he 0:46:50.200 --> 0:46:52.719 you know, he and then we tried to bring guys in, 0:46:53.120 --> 0:46:56.279 whether it was a javelin throw or a discus guy, 0:46:56.440 --> 0:47:01.080 a shot whatever, we tried to get those guys rugby players, 0:47:01.200 --> 0:47:03.520 and it just we didn't have enough time to get 0:47:03.560 --> 0:47:06.400 it all done. And that's and that's that's where, that's 0:47:06.400 --> 0:47:10.320 where the I think the European population that has potential 0:47:10.440 --> 0:47:13.640 to play NFL football or even college football. You know, 0:47:13.880 --> 0:47:17.600 Jack Crawford, I mean Jack Crawford played. Yeah, those guys, 0:47:17.680 --> 0:47:19.719 that's what I'm saying. So anyway, it's a shame this 0:47:19.840 --> 0:47:24.000 team loves their international. UM. A year ago, at this time, 0:47:24.040 --> 0:47:25.560 I thought this guy would have been a first round 0:47:25.640 --> 0:47:28.160 pick and he's not even on the radar now. So 0:47:28.360 --> 0:47:32.719 tell me more about Duke Williams out of Auburn, also 0:47:32.800 --> 0:47:35.440 known as Duck Heel. Yeah. Over the summer, you know, 0:47:35.520 --> 0:47:37.399 he was one of the top five wide receivers, top 0:47:37.440 --> 0:47:40.640 five senior wide receiver of prospects going into the year. Um, 0:47:41.000 --> 0:47:43.040 he just he couldn't got get out of his own way. 0:47:43.320 --> 0:47:46.040 He was in the doghouse constantly, uh suspended for the 0:47:46.080 --> 0:47:49.360 Bowl game last year as a junior than his past 0:47:49.480 --> 0:47:53.160 year with Gus Mason and the coaching staff just constantly 0:47:53.239 --> 0:47:56.880 butting heads and a bar fight ultimately led to his 0:47:57.120 --> 0:48:00.840 dismissal from the program. Um. But he was allowed to 0:48:00.960 --> 0:48:03.800 work out and at the combine. Somehow he got a 0:48:03.840 --> 0:48:07.399 combine invite, right, you know, thinking as lucky star as 0:48:07.440 --> 0:48:09.680 that happened. But he goes to the combine runs a 0:48:09.719 --> 0:48:12.000 four to seven, right, I mean, he's very unimpressive there. 0:48:12.320 --> 0:48:14.360 So I don't know how you could possibly even use 0:48:14.400 --> 0:48:16.840 a draft pick on this guy. He's a priority free agent, 0:48:16.880 --> 0:48:19.480 a guy that you bring in the camp and I'll 0:48:19.480 --> 0:48:21.880 be shocked that he makes a roster. Yeah, the times, 0:48:22.640 --> 0:48:24.920 the times on him were had such a great junior season. 0:48:25.680 --> 0:48:29.360 Four six nine is his speed thirty on the vertical jump. 0:48:29.760 --> 0:48:31.880 And then you know when you look at his twenty shuttles, 0:48:31.920 --> 0:48:35.080 they were four four seven four five three three cone 0:48:35.320 --> 0:48:38.719 seven four three and seven four three twice. A matter 0:48:38.719 --> 0:48:41.120 of fact, Yeah, he's gotten incredible size of six two 0:48:41.200 --> 0:48:43.800 two twenty nine. But for a guy that got the 0:48:43.960 --> 0:48:47.680 opportunity like he did, you know, to try and show people. 0:48:48.600 --> 0:48:51.359 It just showed you he was not committed to come 0:48:51.400 --> 0:48:53.640 into the combine and being ready to go, and he should. 0:48:53.719 --> 0:48:55.800 He could have wowed people. That's the combine is a 0:48:55.840 --> 0:48:59.239 way to change people's opinions of you. And by his 0:48:59.520 --> 0:49:03.200 measure pools and buy his workout, he showed, Hey, I 0:49:03.320 --> 0:49:04.960 just wanted this is what I want to be, and 0:49:05.080 --> 0:49:07.600 that's that's unfortunate. When you're talking about guys with these 0:49:07.719 --> 0:49:10.279 character concerns, you know, you look at their history and 0:49:10.760 --> 0:49:13.120 some For some guys it's one or two things you know, 0:49:13.200 --> 0:49:16.040 out of character maybe, but with this guy, it goes 0:49:16.080 --> 0:49:19.360 back to high school. It's one thing after another. He 0:49:19.520 --> 0:49:22.960 was a juco guy before college, which, um right, Yeah, 0:49:23.120 --> 0:49:25.880 that's unfortunate. He was a beast to watch in college, 0:49:26.640 --> 0:49:30.960 small school special. This is a brand brought us suggestion. 0:49:31.880 --> 0:49:35.640 Tell me more about David Perkins out of Illinois State, 0:49:35.960 --> 0:49:39.600 former Buckeye, Ohio State Buckeye. You got you got anything 0:49:39.640 --> 0:49:41.680 on Perkins? Is he a former buck Eye for the 0:49:41.760 --> 0:49:45.120 same reason that Noah spenses now, he just wanted more 0:49:45.160 --> 0:49:48.719 playing time, so I'm transferred out. Yeah, you know, undersized 0:49:48.760 --> 0:49:52.879 pass rusher, edge rusher. Uh, well, hey, who he can close? Yeah, 0:49:53.120 --> 0:49:55.120 he's got some closing bars to him. He's and he's 0:49:55.120 --> 0:49:58.440 an athlete. Um where did you where? Did what position 0:49:58.480 --> 0:50:00.880 do you project him best at? I put him. I 0:50:00.960 --> 0:50:03.680 put him as a defensive end. It's where I thought 0:50:03.760 --> 0:50:07.480 because I felt like that he could be that right 0:50:07.600 --> 0:50:11.200 side guy. I mean I was really you talk about 0:50:11.280 --> 0:50:14.279 the ability to close, and the and the tape and 0:50:14.360 --> 0:50:16.600 there was game. I mean they played Iowa and that 0:50:16.760 --> 0:50:19.560 that one opened my eyes. And I know Iowa. You know, 0:50:19.719 --> 0:50:22.960 you talk about Iowa offensive lineman and whatever. But I 0:50:23.120 --> 0:50:27.440 just the thing about him is that he he can 0:50:27.520 --> 0:50:29.160 make plays on the move. And I mean I'm just 0:50:29.239 --> 0:50:32.319 looking through my notes that stop start quickness, gets up 0:50:32.360 --> 0:50:34.680 the field, he could spin, he finds the ball, he 0:50:34.760 --> 0:50:37.800 plays with leverage, He's relentless, he finishes, he has a 0:50:37.880 --> 0:50:41.200 feel on the twist. I mean he could split double teams. 0:50:41.239 --> 0:50:43.360 I saw that he's got the burst, the hands to 0:50:43.440 --> 0:50:46.960 get rid of blockers. This guy, I could see why 0:50:47.040 --> 0:50:49.080 he was at Ohio State. Now he's six two, two 0:50:49.160 --> 0:50:55.640 hundred two pounds and that's that's he's and he's at 0:50:55.680 --> 0:50:58.600 four seven six on the speed. But there's some pop 0:50:58.680 --> 0:51:01.239 in his hands. I mean, I'm I mean that he's 0:51:01.280 --> 0:51:04.360 playing on that right defensive end and he hits that 0:51:04.600 --> 0:51:08.480 Iowa left tackle and you see that his head snaps. 0:51:08.840 --> 0:51:11.000 I mean it's like snaps. He's got him, and then 0:51:11.080 --> 0:51:13.600 he's gone, and the plays going from the back and 0:51:13.719 --> 0:51:18.960 he's running. He's I talked about the twist. There's a 0:51:19.040 --> 0:51:21.759 reason why he was in Ohio State and then he 0:51:21.880 --> 0:51:25.120 ends up in Illinois State because he wants to play, 0:51:25.360 --> 0:51:27.400 and they don't let you go from Ohio State to 0:51:27.480 --> 0:51:33.279 Florida State and lets you graduate. Yeah, exactly. So keep 0:51:33.320 --> 0:51:35.920 an eye on David Perkins. There's the tape is very 0:51:36.040 --> 0:51:40.920 very good on him. All right. The listener suggestion, Okay, 0:51:41.239 --> 0:51:47.080 tell me more about Georgia Tech corner DJ White, three 0:51:47.160 --> 0:51:52.840 year starter. Yeah, he's a guy that I remember we 0:51:52.920 --> 0:51:56.360 watched him together, right, that's right. Um, when he was 0:51:56.440 --> 0:51:59.080 in press, when he got a chance to, you know, 0:51:59.200 --> 0:52:01.640 get up in the face of the wide receiver going 0:52:01.719 --> 0:52:04.440 his pedal, he looked very natural, right, he looked like 0:52:04.560 --> 0:52:07.480 he could do that with ease. But then when he's 0:52:07.520 --> 0:52:10.399 playing off coverage, he looked like a fish out of water. 0:52:10.840 --> 0:52:13.680 And so I think there's a big, big difference it's 0:52:13.760 --> 0:52:17.120 like you were watching two different guys. The traits are there, Um, 0:52:17.520 --> 0:52:19.880 you know, I think he can be a cornerback that 0:52:20.239 --> 0:52:23.560 helps your depth. I don't think I don't see a starter. Yeah, 0:52:24.000 --> 0:52:26.880 I'm just going back. And he plays as a boundary corner, 0:52:27.320 --> 0:52:31.160 which means he uses the sideline to his advantage. He 0:52:31.200 --> 0:52:33.400 only has he has to play half the field, or 0:52:33.520 --> 0:52:36.120 really a quarter of the field. So that kind of 0:52:36.160 --> 0:52:38.400 tells you when they put somebody at the boundary corner, 0:52:39.080 --> 0:52:41.960 they're really not too comfortable with him having to carry 0:52:42.040 --> 0:52:45.400 guys and and going back. Dane's absolutely right, though. I 0:52:45.480 --> 0:52:47.280 just see a guy who played with a lot of balance, 0:52:47.840 --> 0:52:49.520 you know, and he's when he pedaled. I thought he 0:52:49.560 --> 0:52:52.440 got overpowered at times. You know, he didn't always want 0:52:52.440 --> 0:52:55.279 to get in on the tackle, right. I just don't 0:52:55.320 --> 0:52:58.200 see much ketchup speed either. Was another thing that I noticed. 0:52:58.200 --> 0:53:01.120 They're about it so not good. You're telling me, Yeah, 0:53:01.120 --> 0:53:03.719 I just didn't. I didn't. I think Dane's got him right. 0:53:04.320 --> 0:53:06.440 But again, the thing about it is you get a 0:53:06.480 --> 0:53:09.960 guy that doesn't have much speed that plays in the boundary. 0:53:10.120 --> 0:53:12.680 I don't like anything you're saying. Yeah, he's a guy 0:53:12.760 --> 0:53:14.400 like when you say, well, when he does this, this 0:53:14.520 --> 0:53:17.480 and this, he's not bad. But the problem is he 0:53:17.520 --> 0:53:20.040 doesn't always play like that. He plays like another guy. 0:53:20.160 --> 0:53:23.000 So yeah, it's hard. You know. I think he can draftable. 0:53:23.360 --> 0:53:25.160 He's draftable and I think he can feel I think 0:53:25.200 --> 0:53:27.239 I put him in the seventh round. Yeah, I think 0:53:27.239 --> 0:53:29.400 he can fill a spot, you know, in the secondary 0:53:29.440 --> 0:53:31.480 on death chart. But you know he's gonna have to 0:53:31.520 --> 0:53:33.479 tweak some things in order to make a roster. Okay, 0:53:33.560 --> 0:53:35.279 we could do a whole segment on this guy, so 0:53:35.640 --> 0:53:38.480 we'll just be quick about it. But I don't tell me. 0:53:38.680 --> 0:53:42.520 I just want Yell's opinion on Vernon Adams. Yeah, I 0:53:42.640 --> 0:53:45.239 know exactly. Yeah, you know what, I was impressed with 0:53:45.360 --> 0:53:47.400 Vernon Adams's ability. I didn't think he had the ability. 0:53:47.480 --> 0:53:49.040 I didn't think he was gonna have the ability to 0:53:49.080 --> 0:53:51.960 throw a deep ball, and he can. He could. He 0:53:52.040 --> 0:53:53.719 could throw. I mean, I think he's got some deep 0:53:53.760 --> 0:53:56.919 ball touch. The problem is, though he has to move 0:53:57.520 --> 0:54:00.960 around to make throws, and the guys in the league 0:54:00.960 --> 0:54:04.600 that are moving around making throws, He's gonna tear up 0:54:04.600 --> 0:54:06.799 the CFL. That's how I think about it. Yeah, I mean, 0:54:06.800 --> 0:54:08.759 I think he's gonna tear up the CFL, and I 0:54:08.840 --> 0:54:11.800 think that he's that type of player. There are a 0:54:11.840 --> 0:54:13.520 lot of people that do like him, and it wouldn't 0:54:13.560 --> 0:54:16.399 shock me if he goes as early as the fourth round, yeah, 0:54:16.719 --> 0:54:19.360 and fighting for the NFC West. It would make a 0:54:19.400 --> 0:54:21.560 lot of sense for teams that have to play Russell 0:54:21.560 --> 0:54:23.399 Wilson twice a year, kind of get him a little look, 0:54:23.480 --> 0:54:26.080 get him in practice, and you know he can play 0:54:26.160 --> 0:54:28.640 fill that type of role. So I think Russell Vernon 0:54:28.680 --> 0:54:31.120 Adams in the mid rounds to an NFC West team, 0:54:31.239 --> 0:54:33.520 I could understand that. I tell you, the mobility is 0:54:33.719 --> 0:54:38.000 unbelievable ball handler mobility. Seeing him in the pocket, yeah, 0:54:38.000 --> 0:54:39.960 and seeing him up playing personal the Shrine game, I 0:54:40.320 --> 0:54:43.920 did appreciate that, but I also got so scared off 0:54:44.000 --> 0:54:46.879 by his He's short, we know that, but his launch 0:54:47.000 --> 0:54:50.560 points so low. Yeah, that worries the heck does on 0:54:50.640 --> 0:54:53.000 the tapes we were watching though, the ball right Hash 0:54:53.280 --> 0:54:57.480 left sideline making his arm talent and the body armor too. Yeah, 0:54:57.480 --> 0:55:00.920 he's just he's just a smaller guy. And we talked about, well, 0:55:01.000 --> 0:55:03.319 when he was healthy, well that's kind of the point, right, 0:55:03.400 --> 0:55:05.839 he was hurt multiple times at Oregon and even at 0:55:05.920 --> 0:55:10.680 Eastern Washington as FCS level your prediction if if fan 0:55:10.760 --> 0:55:13.640 favorite Jamil Showers can make a roster. Yeah, I'm not 0:55:13.719 --> 0:55:16.320 gonna bet against this guy. Okay, thanks day for a 0:55:16.440 --> 0:55:18.640 I appreciate. Tell me more. Okay, Ken, I'm gonna turn 0:55:18.680 --> 0:55:20.319 the show over to you now. We got about five 0:55:20.440 --> 0:55:22.640 minutes left and I want to kind of bang through 0:55:22.680 --> 0:55:24.440 some calls here. By the way, folks, we're all doing 0:55:24.480 --> 0:55:27.239 great today. Thanks for being with us. And Ken, go ahead. 0:55:27.280 --> 0:55:28.720 Who we got Yeah, we got one of my favorites, 0:55:28.800 --> 0:55:32.160 Rain fort Worth. Go ahead, Ray, Ray, Hey, can you 0:55:32.239 --> 0:55:34.680 talk about these two players? I like it running back? 0:55:34.800 --> 0:55:37.800 I like, can you talk about Paul Perkins and and 0:55:38.400 --> 0:55:41.400 uh and I know Keith Marshall. Keith Marshall really handsome speed. 0:55:41.719 --> 0:55:43.200 What do you what do you think about those? I 0:55:43.320 --> 0:55:46.360 really love show? Okay, thanks Ray, Okay, we got Perkins. 0:55:46.680 --> 0:55:49.080 I think that you talk about Perkins to me, I 0:55:49.239 --> 0:55:51.320 was expecting like a little guy and he's not a 0:55:51.400 --> 0:55:53.200 little guy. I mean, you watch more tape though, I 0:55:53.239 --> 0:55:56.280 mean there's some times where you know he bangs around 0:55:56.280 --> 0:55:58.560 a little bit in there's a tough guy. But yeah, 0:55:58.600 --> 0:56:02.360 I just I'll tell you what the patience speed or 0:56:02.440 --> 0:56:05.640 should be more quickness than speed. Carries the ball well, 0:56:05.719 --> 0:56:08.960 can catch the ball. I don't see many problems with 0:56:09.120 --> 0:56:11.320 him though. He has a lot of creativity and runner 0:56:11.520 --> 0:56:14.600 and he has the instincts to make guys miss uh 0:56:14.640 --> 0:56:17.400 in small spaces, big spaces. The lack of a power 0:56:17.480 --> 0:56:21.280 element bathers. I think that's my hang up with Paul Perkins. 0:56:21.800 --> 0:56:24.000 But I think he can absolutely play in this league. 0:56:24.040 --> 0:56:27.160 That's that's for sure. Social's the opposite for me on that. Yeah, 0:56:27.200 --> 0:56:29.960 I don't y'all. We talked about Marshall a week or two. Yeah, 0:56:30.080 --> 0:56:33.160 and I don't sixth round like special teamers. I just 0:56:33.280 --> 0:56:37.360 didn't see a guy that played explosive. Yeah. If he 0:56:37.400 --> 0:56:40.360 has a clear lane, yeah, well yeah, but running and 0:56:40.520 --> 0:56:42.600 finishing and being tough, he doesn't have the same type 0:56:42.600 --> 0:56:45.600 of feel. The contact balances him there. He's going down 0:56:45.680 --> 0:56:48.400 on first contact a lot. So yeah, I agree. And 0:56:48.719 --> 0:56:51.839 the injury history, yeah has to scary? All right, can't 0:56:51.960 --> 0:56:56.480 Sam and san Antonio? Go ahead? Hey, guys, I'm gonna 0:56:57.760 --> 0:57:00.759 couple well one quick question too, Yeah, one quid question? Great? 0:57:00.800 --> 0:57:03.359 Thanks you. So the first thing is, uh, I want 0:57:03.360 --> 0:57:05.880 to know if I feel like a defense has to 0:57:05.920 --> 0:57:08.000 be built from the you know, you want to be 0:57:08.200 --> 0:57:10.880 style of the middle of your defense on all three levels. 0:57:11.320 --> 0:57:13.080 And and we and right now, I feel like this 0:57:13.160 --> 0:57:16.280 team is avoid the playmakers on either side, with the 0:57:16.320 --> 0:57:19.400 exception of that Brian being the only exception on either 0:57:19.440 --> 0:57:22.920 side of the ball. I wanted to ask you and 0:57:23.400 --> 0:57:26.960 Miles jack Case, I like him as a as a playmaker, 0:57:27.280 --> 0:57:29.520 and what you thought about using him in a Troy 0:57:29.600 --> 0:57:33.880 Polamillo type role where he's actually and he gets to 0:57:34.040 --> 0:57:36.760 play inside the box quite quite a bit, and you 0:57:36.840 --> 0:57:39.560 can play games with him and utilize him as a 0:57:39.800 --> 0:57:42.800 as a real weapon. And I just want to get 0:57:42.840 --> 0:57:46.160 your thoughts about him and just about that aspect about 0:57:46.160 --> 0:57:48.600 building your your defense from the center all the way 0:57:48.760 --> 0:57:52.400 through the middle of your defense. Okay, thanks, I appreciate that. Yeah, 0:57:52.560 --> 0:57:54.640 kick the guy can play. I mean he's absolutely right. 0:57:54.680 --> 0:57:56.680 I mean, Troy Polamal is a guy in and out, 0:57:56.800 --> 0:57:59.520 I mean back. You know, wherever you wanted to play him, 0:57:59.520 --> 0:58:01.680 you could do that. This kid's got that kind of ability. 0:58:01.840 --> 0:58:03.240 I think he has the same I think he's got 0:58:03.360 --> 0:58:06.520 more He's probably he's got more speed right than not 0:58:06.600 --> 0:58:09.680 the same positions, but he has the same ability. Well, 0:58:09.720 --> 0:58:11.960 and I was Byron just in terms of where all 0:58:12.000 --> 0:58:13.680 the different places they could put him and all the 0:58:13.720 --> 0:58:15.880 different things he could do. I just hope wherever Miles 0:58:15.960 --> 0:58:17.680 Jack ends up, I hope he goes to a team 0:58:18.000 --> 0:58:20.120 that is creative with him. And that's you know, you 0:58:20.120 --> 0:58:22.280 look at different teams around the league. Some are some aren't. 0:58:22.280 --> 0:58:24.040 I think the team like the Arizona Cardinals, the way 0:58:24.040 --> 0:58:26.440 they use them Bikan and Tommy Matthew, they played to 0:58:26.480 --> 0:58:28.840 their strengths. I just hope wherever Miles Jack goes, they 0:58:28.920 --> 0:58:31.320 played to his strengths, whether it's a lineback or a 0:58:31.440 --> 0:58:33.840 hybrid version of whatever. So kind of worry that that 0:58:33.880 --> 0:58:37.120 wouldn't happen here. They seem so rigid with their structure 0:58:37.200 --> 0:58:40.040 sometimes I think I think they did move Byron a 0:58:40.080 --> 0:58:41.920 little bit last year with Byron yet but this is 0:58:41.960 --> 0:58:44.600 a very very you make a fair point, So you 0:58:44.680 --> 0:58:46.200 do make a fair point about that. I don't know, 0:58:46.320 --> 0:58:48.200 all right, kid, you got one more in yeah, last one? 0:58:48.280 --> 0:58:52.320 Shane in Ohio, Shane Ohio. Yes, I was climb to Jack. 0:58:52.360 --> 0:58:55.760 You'll see about two light round gyms. Doug Milson have 0:58:55.880 --> 0:59:00.760 a Appelachian state, and possibly Brian Poole back, I believe 0:59:00.840 --> 0:59:03.280 out of Florida. All right, thank you very much. Two 0:59:03.320 --> 0:59:07.200 solid players. Brian Pool played a nickel position for Florida 0:59:07.680 --> 0:59:10.720 corner safety Hybrid H surprise. He was invited to the 0:59:10.760 --> 0:59:12.320 combine because I thought he was a pretty good player. 0:59:12.360 --> 0:59:14.800 He was a Shrine game East West shrine game guy. 0:59:15.720 --> 0:59:19.080 I think he's borderline draft all late rounds. He's a 0:59:19.160 --> 0:59:22.280 solid player. Doug Middleton, I you know, just by looking 0:59:22.320 --> 0:59:24.680 at him, watching him on app state tape, I see 0:59:24.680 --> 0:59:26.840 an SEC player just by the look of I mean 0:59:26.880 --> 0:59:30.920 he physically looks the part, doesn't play the part. The 0:59:31.000 --> 0:59:32.960 angles all over the place. He'll come up and hit you, 0:59:33.040 --> 0:59:35.720 and when he connects, he connects. But the angles aren't 0:59:35.720 --> 0:59:39.360 always sound. Um. I questioned his vision what he's actually 0:59:39.400 --> 0:59:42.120 seeing out there at the instincts. So I think Doug 0:59:42.200 --> 0:59:45.720 Middleton's more of a p FA, a priority free agent 0:59:45.760 --> 0:59:48.439 type of guy. But definitely someone will be in a camp. Yeah, 0:59:48.440 --> 0:59:50.760 but you saw an SEC type of people looks like 0:59:50.840 --> 0:59:54.080 it because physically striped together and he can move. But 0:59:55.040 --> 0:59:58.640 like I said, the angles aren't sound the instincts, I questioned, 0:59:58.680 --> 1:00:01.280 So more of an under Okay, well that's all the 1:00:01.320 --> 1:00:03.680 time we have today for the Draft Show. I want 1:00:03.720 --> 1:00:07.680 to thank our team here, Dame Burglar, David Hellman, Kent Garrison, 1:00:07.760 --> 1:00:10.160 Executive produce. 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