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Speaker 1: got all the scouting guys involved here. Ken Garrison, Executive producer, Um,
Speaker 1: I want to jump in like I always do. Dan,
Speaker 1: you and I were talking about this earlier. Polarizing players. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: players that make us pause or make us fight, like
Speaker 1: hell yeah, create debate, And I was interested in some
Speaker 1: of your thoughts about that because you and I and
Speaker 1: I like it when I don't see eyed eye with
Speaker 1: you guys, and I loved it when I was working
Speaker 1: in draft rooms and I didn't see eyed eye. But
Speaker 1: we needed to come to a consensus. Sure, we're in
Speaker 1: a political year right now, we're trying to figure these
Speaker 1: guys out. But I think it's important though, as we
Speaker 1: start to build this draft board, as we start to
Speaker 1: look at these guys, you know you gotta put your
Speaker 1: feelings aside. Once that's over with, but talk about what
Speaker 1: you feel like though. I mean, you know, when when
Speaker 1: we work through this, as we go along and you
Speaker 1: and I talk about Bosa and guys like that, and
Speaker 1: we get you know, we just kind of and it's
Speaker 1: not that I think you're wrong, and I'm sure it's
Speaker 1: not maybe you think I'm wrong, but but talk about
Speaker 1: a little bit your feelings on that. Well. It's one
Speaker 1: of the reasons the drafts is so fun is because
Speaker 1: two sets of eyes can see totally different things, you know,
Speaker 1: and ice cream exactly, I call that, say that all
Speaker 1: the time. And so we talked about We talked to
Speaker 1: Joey Bosa to death. You know, I like him a lot.
Speaker 1: You don't like him as much. I think, you know,
Speaker 1: mister Hellman somewhere in the middle. That's fair. Yeah, So,
Speaker 1: you know, and there's a lot of those types of
Speaker 1: guys this year. Um, so let's go through a few
Speaker 1: of them and you know, kind of debate where we
Speaker 1: think they are. One guy is really interesting, West Virginia's
Speaker 1: safety Carl Joseph. You know, if you put on the highlights,
Speaker 1: you know, watch him against Oklahoma last year. He's Earl Thomas. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the way he flies around the field, but he also
Speaker 1: has some negative place. He's also coming off a knee injury,
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of things you have to worry
Speaker 1: about there. But you know, there are a lot of
Speaker 1: people that like him, think he's one of the best
Speaker 1: defensive backs in this class. May I ask if we're
Speaker 1: bringing this up because of what mister Riddick said on TV,
Speaker 1: and Lewis is one of them. I mean, he has
Speaker 1: a lot of fans out there. He has a ton
Speaker 1: of fans, so and he top top draft, top defensive
Speaker 1: back in the draft. That's amazing to me. And that's
Speaker 1: if you watch the highlights, he's Earl Thomas. But it's
Speaker 1: hard for me to get on that train when you
Speaker 1: watch the entire tape and he's flying around, missing these tackles.
Speaker 1: He's putting himself out of position because he's sure over aggressive,
Speaker 1: sure that it works against him. I mean, his best
Speaker 1: trait is his aggressiveness. That's also his worst trait. It's
Speaker 1: also the thing that when you do you will watch
Speaker 1: him fly forward in a hurry, I mean like it's
Speaker 1: a blue blur coming for the football and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden. He is four yards passed the ball
Speaker 1: care and the ball care is going up the field,
Speaker 1: and you're going, wait a minute, he just Okay, he
Speaker 1: three plays ago he made that tackle. Right now he's
Speaker 1: missing that tackle. I was surprised Lewis went that route
Speaker 1: on him, though. I really draft value on Karl Joseph
Speaker 1: until I saw that on TV saying he's the best
Speaker 1: defensive back in the draft. I was under the impression
Speaker 1: he was like a consensus thirty to fifty type pick.
Speaker 1: That's where I would have pegged him. Yeah, I had
Speaker 1: him in the second round. Yeah, and I don't know
Speaker 1: if if if, and I don't think it's Brian Broadest.
Speaker 1: Looking at highlights, I see I see some value there.
Speaker 1: I do see a guy. I do see a guy
Speaker 1: that the ball does gravitate towards him, interceptions, balls, fumbles,
Speaker 1: he's around the football like his highlights again, and his
Speaker 1: highlights are like really impressive too, because he kills me.
Speaker 1: He does. Yeah, he just he does. He is a blur.
Speaker 1: He is a blue blur when they when they play.
Speaker 1: Maybe my biggest disappointment of the Senior Bowl was that
Speaker 1: he pulled out of it. He was supposed to be there.
Speaker 1: Wasn't he his knee? Yeah, yeah, he's not right. He
Speaker 1: couldn't work out of the combine. Yeah, at the combine.
Speaker 1: He's why aren't we talking about that? Well, I mean
Speaker 1: that's part of it. That's definitely part of it, because
Speaker 1: he's I asked him at combine, you know, when do
Speaker 1: you think he'll be back on or ready to go?
Speaker 1: And he said, well, hopefully by training camp. Now that
Speaker 1: that was a little a little bell went off, like
Speaker 1: great training camp. That's not a good well, and we'll
Speaker 1: know more about it. You know, we got we got
Speaker 1: the rechecks coming up on the floor. You seem like
Speaker 1: you don't have him as a second round or a
Speaker 1: player in the thirty to fifty range. I have him
Speaker 1: in an early third because, look, your safety is your
Speaker 1: last line of defense. Yeah, Okay, he's a guy you
Speaker 1: need to rely on, and he's going to give you
Speaker 1: those splash plays, and so you have to you know,
Speaker 1: wigh the splash plays, the positive plays with the plays
Speaker 1: he's going to give up, and so you know, what's
Speaker 1: better to have a boring safety who just kind of
Speaker 1: does everything. Okay, Bell exactly not gonna not gonna make
Speaker 1: a lot of mental mistakes, but you're not really going
Speaker 1: to create either. Or is it better to have a
Speaker 1: Karl Joseph who is going to create some action, but
Speaker 1: he's also gonna miss it as well. And safeties are
Speaker 1: tough because again they're the last line of defense. You
Speaker 1: have to be able to trust them. It's a fine
Speaker 1: line there. And Karl Joseph, he's a very interesting test case.
Speaker 1: And you throw in the knee injury. That's why I
Speaker 1: have an early third on him. Yes, this, where do
Speaker 1: you have cash? He's he's in that late second, early third. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a little different because he needs he needs. For
Speaker 1: one team, he might be a late second or early third,
Speaker 1: but for another team he might be you know, a
Speaker 1: fourth or a fifth because of the way that he'd
Speaker 1: be used. You know, he needs that Dion Buchanan role
Speaker 1: where he's going to be hunting downhill versus a run.
Speaker 1: I don't trust him in reverse, right, and he plays
Speaker 1: a lot in the slot. Yeah, exactly right, but you
Speaker 1: know I want him against the run. So in the
Speaker 1: right situation, in the right scheme, he's worth a late second,
Speaker 1: early third. And the reason I asked that is because
Speaker 1: he does tackle. He is consistent tackle yeah, but he
Speaker 1: doesn't also doesn't have the rain, but he doesn't have
Speaker 1: the rain nearly that Joseph. I was just trying to
Speaker 1: get a gauge because I have cash on my board
Speaker 1: the third round, so I was trying to gauge if
Speaker 1: you have if you have Joseph in the third round.
Speaker 1: I was trying to see, so you obviously have do
Speaker 1: you have him like a cash like a round later
Speaker 1: I have. Let me look at Ramsey's my number one safety, right,
Speaker 1: Vaughn Bell's number two at the second round grade and
Speaker 1: then I've got three guys in that late second, early
Speaker 1: third that's Karl, Joseph, Kean O'Neil, and uh Jeremy Cash. Okay,
Speaker 1: give me range, cash money. It's Lindsay cash drop right there.
Speaker 1: I have a feeling give me a range every day,
Speaker 1: especially on this team, because that's what they don't have
Speaker 1: at safety here. Yeah, and if he makes some mistakes,
Speaker 1: that's fine. I mean it's not fine. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Oh, Dave, don't say that. I go be
Speaker 1: sitting in hinds field and Joseph comes running up and
Speaker 1: misses a player want to pull up and you want
Speaker 1: to pull up the tape of JJ Wilcox. Oh sure,
Speaker 1: but I hear you. I hear crying every game almost
Speaker 1: and especially on the road, and you're like, oh god,
Speaker 1: he's gonna tackle today? Yeah? Does? He takes horrible angles
Speaker 1: and he doesn't have any range. Okay, doesn't get to
Speaker 1: the ball. Okay, he doesn't. Does he get to the
Speaker 1: ball ever? I mean, hey, I'm just saying he doesn't.
Speaker 1: I'm saying you're saying you're not giving the guy with
Speaker 1: rage and you're not going to complain. I'll deal with
Speaker 1: the mistakes if he's capable speaking of it. And I
Speaker 1: know you want to get to another guy to talk
Speaker 1: about Neil a little bit. Now, there's a guy that
Speaker 1: kind of will miss on you a little but has
Speaker 1: ranged right when he hits you, you feel it, you do.
Speaker 1: He plays He's one of those guys that misses a
Speaker 1: tackle and then the next three plays he is hurting
Speaker 1: somebody because he plays mad. Yeah, you could tell on
Speaker 1: tape he's playing mad because his teammates are trying and
Speaker 1: he's just he didn't want anything to do with his teammates.
Speaker 1: He's just kind of, you know, going back to the huddle,
Speaker 1: get away from me. Yeah, because he plays mad. He's
Speaker 1: a decleter. He looks to take the ball carrier and
Speaker 1: just eliminate him, a separate man from ball. What I
Speaker 1: don't love about Neil is single digit passes defense over
Speaker 1: his career. Uh not gonna get make a lot of
Speaker 1: plays on the ball in the air. Um, too much
Speaker 1: spacing when you you know, put him a man coverage.
Speaker 1: But he's a solid player. I think he'd be a
Speaker 1: starter in this league. Okay, I get some other guys
Speaker 1: on that. You know a guy we've talked about before,
Speaker 1: U Baylor's Corey Coleman. Ah, Yeah, I mean I know
Speaker 1: this is a player that I think could be a
Speaker 1: first round pick. I put him up there. I know
Speaker 1: you're not as high as him, and you're not alone.
Speaker 1: I mean, there are a lot of people that have
Speaker 1: strong concerns just coming from that offense. Is that the
Speaker 1: biggest reason why you're not as high in Corey Coleman?
Speaker 1: You know what, I saw a guy that I thought
Speaker 1: was short on tape, short and as far as height, yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't see yet stature I didn't see. Again, he's
Speaker 1: not a big guy. Yeah. And you were at the
Speaker 1: and you were and you were at the Baylor pro day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: your impressions of him, he wowed me. I was really impressed.
Speaker 1: I mean it's funny like whenever you see a guy
Speaker 1: or watch something or you get this experience, you know, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: Brian Broad is telling you something in your head, just
Speaker 1: get a foggy brain for I mean, I would have
Speaker 1: taken Corey Coleman not at four, but I certainly I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be surprised if he's a first round pick.
Speaker 1: I think he's that good. And I know the Baylor
Speaker 1: thing scares a lot of people, but sure, I and yeah,
Speaker 1: he's definitely he's not tall. I mean, what what's do
Speaker 1: y'all have a Yeah, he measured five. I thought he was. Listen,
Speaker 1: I thought he was a five nine guy. I thought
Speaker 1: he was a f And then, like Dane says, so
Speaker 1: you watch him and half the time he's not doing anything.
Speaker 1: I hate to make this comparison because he's so good
Speaker 1: and so explosive, but like, everything from his demeanor to
Speaker 1: his versatility reminds me of Odell Beckham a little bit.
Speaker 1: I know that that's I hate that, and I know
Speaker 1: that's why people hate making much because that's just the
Speaker 1: vibe that I get, And honestly, I think he between
Speaker 1: his speed and his versatility, I think he can do
Speaker 1: a little bit of that. You know, I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people probably see him as a slot guy,
Speaker 1: but I think he could line up outside too. I've
Speaker 1: had multiple scouts tell me they see Steve Smith. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's it. That's a great comparison to the third round pick. Still,
Speaker 1: Steve Smith was a bad man. That guy. Let me
Speaker 1: tell you what he is. He's got some hindes warding him,
Speaker 1: that Steve Smith. And I love hin kinds word has
Speaker 1: some Steve Smith, and I mean Steve Smith. I think.
Speaker 1: I'm mean Odell Beckham is the new hotness in the NFL.
Speaker 1: But I think that's a more flattering comparisons being Yeah. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: you can make a case he's Hall of Fame work. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So anyway, so what it was, what do you think? Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's it goes. Part of it is, you know,
Speaker 1: he's running such a basic route tree. It's unchallenged routes.
Speaker 1: It's half field reads in that Baylor offense, so it
Speaker 1: is tough to get a true read. Keep preaching day,
Speaker 1: But I just I think there's too much athleticism and
Speaker 1: aggressiveness and just pure want to that. I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't see how he's going to be simply an
Speaker 1: average player in the NFL. I mean, I think he
Speaker 1: can be at worst, you know, a low end starter
Speaker 1: and a player that's gonna push for Pro Bowls because
Speaker 1: he just he finds a way to be productive and
Speaker 1: make an impact. I mean twenty touchdowns in the first
Speaker 1: like ten games last year, of all of all of
Speaker 1: the all right, I mean you got were universally agree
Speaker 1: that tread Well's the top receiver. Yeah, he'll probably be
Speaker 1: gone by fifteen or so. Ye, So of that pack
Speaker 1: of guys after that, you got your Coleman, you got
Speaker 1: your Docks, and you got your toast, your fuller. Rank
Speaker 1: them where, because I I feel I would probably put
Speaker 1: Coleman first in that group. I'm with you. I've got
Speaker 1: uh tread Rolls number one, and then Corey Coleman, Dockson Thomas.
Speaker 1: I have those three guys. I have very close late
Speaker 1: first early second round grades on all three of them.
Speaker 1: I went Dotson, Thomas, Coleman not a fan. I'm just
Speaker 1: telling you. And you have Coleman in your second or third.
Speaker 1: I had him. I had him in the second round. Come, hey,
Speaker 1: that's we're talking about molar rising guys. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: got a low. There are plenty of people that are
Speaker 1: not sold on Corey. See, you guys make an interesting
Speaker 1: argument because when you start comparing somebody to Steve Smith.
Speaker 1: For me, but that freaks me out though, because you're
Speaker 1: comparing to him a possible Hall of Fame player. He's
Speaker 1: never played in the NFL. But I just hey, there's
Speaker 1: stings you're going back to. Look at. There's things about Coleman.
Speaker 1: You see throwing him to football and there you see
Speaker 1: the explosiveness and the speed and all that. With the
Speaker 1: ball in his hands. I think he's got better hands
Speaker 1: than the Baylor prospect that we're familiar with as well.
Speaker 1: Well the ball, the ball gets on this guy. I know,
Speaker 1: we know that. We we talked, we had draft shows
Speaker 1: talking about saying, yeah, you know people here you know
Speaker 1: that always said they're like, don't draft him. He went
Speaker 1: to Baylor, Karence went to Baylor. Like that he's a
Speaker 1: different player. That's not that's not true. Actually was a
Speaker 1: past to Beasley. Yeah, thanks, coach. Polarizing players. Um let's
Speaker 1: do another one. Arkansas running back are y'all gonna be okay,
Speaker 1: They're like, are y'all gonna fight right now? No, No,
Speaker 1: they're sure. There are people that y'all got into it
Speaker 1: about this guy at the combine. I remember it decidly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Alex Collins for some people as a second round player,
Speaker 1: is are you one of those people? I don't have
Speaker 1: him in the second round. My only second round back
Speaker 1: is Dixon. Where do you have him? Third? Okay? I
Speaker 1: thought you were gonna say fourth, Yeah, I'm the third round. Well,
Speaker 1: there are a lot of people that love him in
Speaker 1: the second Yeah, I like Dixon Moore in the second. Yeah.
Speaker 1: A lot of people think that we're gonna be talking
Speaker 1: about Collins as duking it out with Henry to be
Speaker 1: the number two running back drafted. Yeah, which Collins. Excuse
Speaker 1: me to say that again, Collins and Henry taking it
Speaker 1: out with Derek be the second running back back. I
Speaker 1: don't I know, it's it's it's it's it's Dixon or Henry.
Speaker 1: It's Dixon or Henry. I feel what do you say?
Speaker 1: What do you you're smirking at me? I don't like
Speaker 1: when you smirk it. I'm with you. I have I
Speaker 1: have a late third, early fourth on Collins. Oh okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not sold. He's the top one hundred
Speaker 1: guy at all. But see, the polarising guy you should
Speaker 1: have brought up was Henry. Well, it's a polarizing guy,
Speaker 1: but Collins is College is like, Okay, I can live
Speaker 1: with it. If you want to argue, I'll argue with
Speaker 1: you about Henry. But I'm saying there are plenty of
Speaker 1: people are gonna be the number two running back drafts.
Speaker 1: Oh so you're kicking some people in the in the
Speaker 1: you know what because of they think of Collins. Right,
Speaker 1: not just polarizing in this room, but polar rising. Run
Speaker 1: the people I talked to run the league, you know
Speaker 1: people I trust. People think that Collins could be the
Speaker 1: number two running back drafted a second round pick. That
Speaker 1: would be a shocker for me. That's like a look up,
Speaker 1: Like whoa that card gets. We're sitting here and by
Speaker 1: the way, our draft coverage, we're going wall to wall
Speaker 1: on our draft coach. We're gonna do the same exact
Speaker 1: thing we did last year. We're gonna sit here until
Speaker 1: every single picks made and talk about it. So when
Speaker 1: that card gets handed in in the second round, you're
Speaker 1: gonna think. I think we'll all do that. Well, this
Speaker 1: man right here, he'll have a heart attack. We'll say
Speaker 1: some stuff that and I don't need him to go
Speaker 1: away good or really bad. About a year. It'll be great.
Speaker 1: Dane will get real quiet. Running Backs are always tough,
Speaker 1: because I remember last year we talked about running backs
Speaker 1: at Nazi. Yeah, I mean the second third round and
Speaker 1: the order they came off. You know, TJ Yelden was
Speaker 1: the first one, and then I think Abdullah Can't was next. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, Tevin Coleman fell a little bit, Duke Johnson
Speaker 1: fell up it. So I mean with these these running backs,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't besides Zeke at number one, I don't think
Speaker 1: we can get too locked into an order after that.
Speaker 1: I mean after Zeko's number. Sure, we can't just follow
Speaker 1: my I know that's the way it should fall. It's
Speaker 1: not going to We're gonna see some surprise. Guarantee it
Speaker 1: guarantee we're gonna see with these running backs. He see Dan,
Speaker 1: I think he's running. We're in April now and he's
Speaker 1: starting to talk to some people here. I'm liking DeVante
Speaker 1: Booker as a second running back drafted would you be
Speaker 1: really that surprised. No, honestly, I would that I would.
Speaker 1: I would not Booker Collins. I would. Y'all are the
Speaker 1: y'all are the gurus. But I'm gonna be a little
Speaker 1: bit surprised if Henry's not the second running back taken,
Speaker 1: I think everything, and he'll do a handstand and cheer
Speaker 1: and no, I'll you know, a third round grade on. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know why this is surprising. I told you
Speaker 1: only have one back in the second round. That's third. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I don't know why this is surprising you, because we've
Speaker 1: been saying since February that, like after Zeke, you just
Speaker 1: have this disgusting jumble back. It's clearly a second running back.
Speaker 1: You had Dixon in the third earlier this year. We've
Speaker 1: had no no about this. I did say we had
Speaker 1: to do something. He's a better player. Yeah, you guys
Speaker 1: don't know running backs. That's the issue, however, man. I
Speaker 1: like though. I like the fact that we brought up
Speaker 1: collins name though. But the thing that worries me about
Speaker 1: Collins is I don't see him catching the ball. No,
Speaker 1: I don't see him blocking very well. Give me the
Speaker 1: guy that could do it. All my biggest worries the fumbles. Hey,
Speaker 1: let me give you a little heads up. There's a
Speaker 1: there's a NFC running back coach that was nice catching
Speaker 1: running back coach in the AFC saw this little quote
Speaker 1: he compared Zeke. He says he's got the same traits
Speaker 1: as Peterson. He says, you can't punch holes in Peterson.
Speaker 1: That's one of those you can't punch holes in Zeke
Speaker 1: people a pretty strong huh yeah, really strong person. Is
Speaker 1: just a freak. Though it might be the same guy
Speaker 1: like Collins though too, how about that though, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's a coach coming out. You know, hopefully it's not
Speaker 1: a rookie AFC running back coach. It might be one
Speaker 1: of those very cats. That's tough because Peterson's just such
Speaker 1: a freak athletically, just the way he's built. I agree
Speaker 1: with that, But can't you don't Zeke out. He's not
Speaker 1: the freakish athlete that Peterson, but he's still capable of
Speaker 1: doing all the same things, right, I mean, he is
Speaker 1: a complete back. Who can take twenty five about Girly
Speaker 1: last year the ball blocks? Who do you have a
Speaker 1: higher grade? I love Girly, I love I love girly.
Speaker 1: So if they're both, you're fantasy drafting, you're taking girly
Speaker 1: over zeke By just because I know, not even thinking
Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, I'm thinking about it girls in this
Speaker 1: draft draft. And then it's gonna be the same argument.
Speaker 1: We're doing the show next year from a really nice,
Speaker 1: beautiful studios over there, and Dane's neck of the woods,
Speaker 1: Leonard Fournett's going one. Overall, they're gonna be talking about
Speaker 1: running backs. All you folks. Are all these folks out
Speaker 1: there don't want to take a running back? Betty, here
Speaker 1: we go. Well, yeah, there's no shortage in Oklahoma. There's
Speaker 1: no shortage of people on Twitter and elsewhere who want
Speaker 1: to avoid running back this year, specifically because it's a
Speaker 1: stock class. Everybody's happy. Okay, you're the guy that follows
Speaker 1: the mock drafts and the fandom and all that. Everybody,
Speaker 1: would everybody cheer? Would there be a big cheer for
Speaker 1: Elliot if he's take, would would everybody just go ballist?
Speaker 1: I think not ballistic, but I think the the reaction
Speaker 1: would be overwhelmingly positive. But there would be no small
Speaker 1: number of people who would be aggravated or frustrated by
Speaker 1: it too. Especially. I think that's why anything is going
Speaker 1: to happen with this pick. So well, I said that
Speaker 1: last night. I said that last night. Well, I think
Speaker 1: there's one guy who really nobody would complain about, and
Speaker 1: I think it's Ramsey. Yeah, I think Ramsey. I think
Speaker 1: ninety nine percent of people would be happy with that pick.
Speaker 1: Polarizing players to those quarterbacks. Oh yeah, the moment. I
Speaker 1: mean you were nice not to mention him because that's
Speaker 1: an easy it's an easy thing to do. I didn't
Speaker 1: want to go into Christian I mean, that's here forever.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get it. We're gonna get into hack. God,
Speaker 1: you'm worrying about it. All right, we need to take
Speaker 1: our first break of the day. When we come back,
Speaker 1: we will have a little Twitter on the twenty, So
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Speaker 1: We're also excited a couple of different things. Dame Bruglers
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Speaker 1: These cats are going to pick some people that you
Speaker 1: don't know about. Dane does know about him. He's gonna
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Speaker 1: lot of great things going on with that as well.
Speaker 1: So a couple different ways of falling along the NFL
Speaker 1: Draft on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and then through our
Speaker 1: guides and things that we have here. Okay, it's that
Speaker 1: time of day where I thank ed Cahill for coming
Speaker 1: up with this, and I turn over to David Helmet.
Speaker 1: It is Twitter. On the Twitter, Dane gave me a
Speaker 1: really great segue right at the end of the first segment.
Speaker 1: He talked about Christian Hackenburg, who the Cowboys reportedly worked
Speaker 1: out privately. There you go, yeah, uh what. First of all,
Speaker 1: I want to talk about that too. It seems like
Speaker 1: they have been leaning way more on these private workouts
Speaker 1: and not so much the pro day's. Is the reasoning
Speaker 1: for that the high quality, high placement of their pick. Also,
Speaker 1: John wants to know if he's a realistic option at
Speaker 1: thirty four? Is that too rich for Hackenburg? I have
Speaker 1: him in the third myself, and again they don't care
Speaker 1: what we think, but myself, I have him the third.
Speaker 1: I could understand why they're doing their due diligence on
Speaker 1: these quarterbacks though, because he's in that mix. Once you
Speaker 1: get past those top three that everybody have has on
Speaker 1: their board, and I guarantee the Cowboys will bring all
Speaker 1: three of those guys in as well on that thirty visit.
Speaker 1: They were going to figure this thing out. But the
Speaker 1: the the reason why they do the workout by themselves
Speaker 1: is they could They could incorporate their routes, they can
Speaker 1: incorporate their ops, they can incorporate their terminology, a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff, find out how this kid really ticks. And
Speaker 1: I think that's the important thing. You can go to
Speaker 1: a pro day like we did yesterday at TCU and
Speaker 1: watch boy can just kind of throw the ball around
Speaker 1: in the scripted workout, but if you really really want
Speaker 1: to get to know the kid, have him do some
Speaker 1: of your passes to see if he can do that.
Speaker 1: That's why this is important absolutely And you know, the
Speaker 1: Pro Day, like you said, it's scripted, so you know
Speaker 1: there's no you should look awesome as a quarterback going
Speaker 1: through a pro day workout. That's why come to me
Speaker 1: quarterback Pro Day workouts being really just absolutely nothing. But
Speaker 1: for the teams to individually work out these players, you know,
Speaker 1: they can tell them what routes they want exactly. Do
Speaker 1: the full round tree. They want to do, they want
Speaker 1: to see certain things. It's unrehearsed stuff exactly. It's total
Speaker 1: unrehearsed to undersnap, rollout whatever you want to do, you
Speaker 1: can make them do that. So I think it's it's
Speaker 1: it's smart for these for the Cowboys to be going
Speaker 1: through each one of these quarterbacks, working them out and
Speaker 1: just finding out more about them. This is that age
Speaker 1: old issue though. I mean you have you have hack
Speaker 1: as a third round grade too, right, but later late
Speaker 1: fourth boom. I mean I don't but if you want him,
Speaker 1: you probably have to take him a thirty fourth when
Speaker 1: that's what I was gonna say, is I mean we
Speaker 1: talk about that all the time. Quarterbacks are probably overvalued
Speaker 1: by like a full round because so always on a
Speaker 1: draft board that realistically, No, I don't over under five
Speaker 1: quarterbacks draft in the first two rounds over or over
Speaker 1: under five quarterbacks first two, three, four? Yeah probably over yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, so I think the top three and then
Speaker 1: you throw in Cook throwing Hackenburg, probably Cardale Jones and
Speaker 1: that somewhere in that second. Don't discount the precept kid
Speaker 1: from I like North Carolina State. I know, I know,
Speaker 1: and I know you're gonna give me that look, and
Speaker 1: that's fine. But again, I'm like you though, this time
Speaker 1: year you get to talk to some people. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: he's got a lot of fans. Yeah, and you get
Speaker 1: a lot and you don't don't, don't discount because there
Speaker 1: I think there's like three levels of these guys. You
Speaker 1: talked about the Cooks and the Hackenburgh and those guys.
Speaker 1: There's like three different levels of quarterbacks. Don't you think
Speaker 1: it's like a little bit ego too, Like we we
Speaker 1: can fix him, we got this dad. Ego always gets
Speaker 1: you trouble. Then they'll be coaching at some other place
Speaker 1: when that ego gets in the way. Right, Aaron's got
Speaker 1: a really good question between his measurables and his everything
Speaker 1: about him really. William Jackson third, I mean, he's he
Speaker 1: seems like he should be in the conversation for like
Speaker 1: top corner in the draft, but you kind of see
Speaker 1: him more so toward the back end of the first round.
Speaker 1: What's what's holding him back? Why? Why is that or
Speaker 1: or where do you see him? For the right defense?
Speaker 1: I think he will be the top corner in the
Speaker 1: draft on certain draft boards, right, you know, And I
Speaker 1: think just comes down to what kind of scheme do
Speaker 1: you run? Because William Jackson, he's the best corner in
Speaker 1: this draft. With his back to the ball, he does
Speaker 1: an outstanding job of feeling the pass, making a play.
Speaker 1: He finds the ball really well. He closes on routes,
Speaker 1: so if you want him the press, he can do that.
Speaker 1: But he's just a little bit different type a player
Speaker 1: when he's playing off plan zone. Doesn't have that, you know,
Speaker 1: the lower body twitch to you know, really make up
Speaker 1: ground a small spaces. He more a long strider, So yes,
Speaker 1: a little different. So I think for some teams he
Speaker 1: will be the number one corner on the draft board,
Speaker 1: But it just depends on schemes. You know what teams
Speaker 1: will like about this guy. You could throw on tape
Speaker 1: and he's knocking the ball down. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: times you'll watch some of this tape and then and
Speaker 1: you never see a guy knock a ball down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you'll see him cover all day. Twenty eight passes defended
Speaker 1: this past year, and that tells you a little bit like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, teams are throwing the ball at him though
Speaker 1: as well, Yeah, they were trying to, they were trying to.
Speaker 1: They felt like teams felt like they can make plays
Speaker 1: on this guy. He's That's why I think, excuse me, Dave,
Speaker 1: the measurables, the things that dates some about some of
Speaker 1: the traits. He's absolutely right about this kid. But the
Speaker 1: thing that I think teams like is you could actually
Speaker 1: see him knocking the ball down. Yeah. I think he's
Speaker 1: one of those guys that we saw as a possibility
Speaker 1: for thirty four a month ago, and now I get
Speaker 1: the idea that that's not realistic late that teams and
Speaker 1: looking at him in the late one, Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: killed it and I and I and I you know,
Speaker 1: I'll mock him every time they mocked him. It might
Speaker 1: have been you. Somebody mocked him as high as fourteen.
Speaker 1: Ye have him going to Oakland right now? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean now, they took a Houston receiver, they took a
Speaker 1: Houston corner before. Hey, that was that was kind of
Speaker 1: my big thing. Don't don't get caught up at the
Speaker 1: Houston part. Because William Jackson's a good player. By trapped
Speaker 1: in an LSU corner here exactly, Hey, yeah, exactly, Uh,
Speaker 1: simple man. Notre Dame had their protay yesterday. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: wants some information about Procis and his fit here. What
Speaker 1: you think about him, I know you like him a lot.
Speaker 1: I do like him a lot. He's a top five
Speaker 1: back in this class. Yeah, I believe no doubt about that.
Speaker 1: And and the thing about pro Sis that I like.
Speaker 1: I think he's learning how to be a running back.
Speaker 1: I mean when you talk that he just but he
Speaker 1: looked comfortable. He looked comfortable last year at Notre Dame
Speaker 1: when they handed him to football, he took it between
Speaker 1: the tackles. He's able to bounce it outside. I love
Speaker 1: his I love his uh, his demeanor with carrying the football.
Speaker 1: I think he finishes runs. I think when he gets
Speaker 1: near the goal line and he gets in the end zone,
Speaker 1: and I think he could run himself in and out
Speaker 1: of trouble. He's got the juice. He has got some juice.
Speaker 1: And I could see somebody taking him and him having
Speaker 1: a nice long career being an every down. I think
Speaker 1: people will develop him. He's he's got the arrow old
Speaker 1: scouting arrow going up. Guy. He's got arrow going up
Speaker 1: because he's he can learn and he's and he's proven
Speaker 1: though at Notre Dame in a big time stage, that
Speaker 1: he can can handle that on that swing. He's still
Speaker 1: developing his run tempo in sting, especially between the tackles.
Speaker 1: But you see, I mean he'll feel for a player
Speaker 1: that never played running back until a few weeks before
Speaker 1: the sounds field, Yeah, he has it. And we know
Speaker 1: he can catch the ball in the backfield. Right. He
Speaker 1: was Notre Dame Special Teams Player of the Year last year,
Speaker 1: so he can play special teams as well. So I
Speaker 1: mean there's a lot of times that you like about
Speaker 1: him that. Yeah, he's a top five back in this class.
Speaker 1: Dang ye the third, third round. I had him in
Speaker 1: the third Yeah. Uh. Word coming out this week that
Speaker 1: San Diego told Miles Jack that they see him as
Speaker 1: a safety. Justin wants to know what you think about
Speaker 1: his I mean so much if you're well, you want
Speaker 1: that's he wants a comparison. I guess a comparison Ramsey
Speaker 1: and Jack. I mean, we talk about Jack all the time,
Speaker 1: and we talk about him as a linebacker. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you're planning on playing him exclusively at safety, is
Speaker 1: he still that high of a pick? Is he worth
Speaker 1: a top five pick if you're going to play him
Speaker 1: at safety? I say, I don't, I don't, I don't
Speaker 1: know he's not a traditional safety hard you know, he
Speaker 1: needs answered that. I realize if you're gonna play him
Speaker 1: at safety, you're it's got to be a hybrid version
Speaker 1: of a safety. You know, it's got to be something
Speaker 1: where uh you know, he's lined up over the slot
Speaker 1: receiver or he's playing a lot close to the line
Speaker 1: of scrimmage. I don't want Miles Jack single high. Could
Speaker 1: he do it? Sure? He god, I mean there's nothing
Speaker 1: he can't. He could play quarterback for my team, right,
Speaker 1: you know he can do it all. But in terms
Speaker 1: of maximize his value and what his strengths are and
Speaker 1: what he does best, I want him the slot. I
Speaker 1: want him close the line of scrimmage, so he can
Speaker 1: you know, show that off that range versus run, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, making plays in the perimeter, covering guys dropping.
Speaker 1: So I mean, could he play safety? Sure, but I
Speaker 1: think you're not using his strengths. I think I'm gonna
Speaker 1: steal some words out of your mouth because I think
Speaker 1: you said it yesterday. Is that you get him near
Speaker 1: the ball? Yeah you won't want him, right? Yeah, you
Speaker 1: won't him? Yeah? Why would you allow offenses to dictate
Speaker 1: where you play him? Right? They spread you out and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, No, No, he's his safety and
Speaker 1: he's gonna go walk in coverage and you do something
Speaker 1: else on the other side of the field and he's
Speaker 1: over here standing, you know, not doing anything. No, his
Speaker 1: strength is being around the ball. Whatever you can do
Speaker 1: to put him nearer the ball, you're helping your team
Speaker 1: playing his safety. It's just and I asked, I asked
Speaker 1: them NFL people, but I would you lean Miles Jack
Speaker 1: up and haven't play safety and that? And because I
Speaker 1: knew the answer, I knew the answer, just what I
Speaker 1: gave you. Why would you remove him from the defense? Sure?
Speaker 1: And that's exactly what these these guys were saying. It's
Speaker 1: not that he can't do it, because he can, right,
Speaker 1: but it's just, you know, to maximize his value and
Speaker 1: his strengths. Absolutely, play through the line. Yeah, close to Yeah,
Speaker 1: get me, get me right by the In the middle
Speaker 1: of all that, Aaron just literally just tweeted something to
Speaker 1: Miles Jack being big Nickel and I actually love that
Speaker 1: a lot. I mean, yeah, bring that on all day. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I had a guy. I had a guy did the
Speaker 1: day on Twitter, and I love all my Twitter people.
Speaker 1: You know, the guy on Twitter, goes I said, well,
Speaker 1: you could take if you drafted Miles Jack, you could
Speaker 1: play if you wanted to keep you want to keep
Speaker 1: Rolando on the field with Lee and then take Miles Jack.
Speaker 1: Had put him in bury Church's spot. And someone says,
Speaker 1: you would never just play with one safety. Miles Jack
Speaker 1: could cover if he has to. It's like having a
Speaker 1: safety on the field but with the linebacker size. So
Speaker 1: I mean you'd like to go. You would never just
Speaker 1: have one, say bs if the safety was if the
Speaker 1: safety was Jones, You'd had it. You'd be just fine.
Speaker 1: Creative with these guys. I mean, don't just if this
Speaker 1: isn't Madden where you you know, you had to find
Speaker 1: a free safety, had to find a strong safety had Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and be creat with these guys and all
Speaker 1: the different things they get locked up in the position.
Speaker 1: Just figure out where to play him. I think I
Speaker 1: trust undrafted, never played in the NFL. I feel better
Speaker 1: about Jack and coverage than J. J. Wilcox. Yeah, uh
Speaker 1: sorry anyway, Uh, Roderick wants to know we talk. We
Speaker 1: have talked a lot about wide receivers. Yeah, which raises
Speaker 1: the very solid point that the Cowboys have six of them,
Speaker 1: and if they were to do that, I people forget
Speaker 1: about Bryce Butler. And basically is what I'm trying to say,
Speaker 1: And you would you spent a fifth round pick on
Speaker 1: the guy? Is that viable when you consider who's here?
Speaker 1: And if they did do that, who's the odd man
Speaker 1: out in that scenario? I think that how much more
Speaker 1: leash does Devin Street have? That's yeah, there's your that's
Speaker 1: your question. That's the answer right there. Yeah, that that's
Speaker 1: your end to me that if there was one guy
Speaker 1: that that I was hopeful for would have taken to
Speaker 1: jump the fact that the coaches committed to playing him,
Speaker 1: he was active every week. Yeah, they threw him out there.
Speaker 1: That gave him opportunity. You know, he's on the about
Speaker 1: to be in the third year of a program where
Speaker 1: it's time to go yea, you know they they you
Speaker 1: know somebody you know as as an organization, they made
Speaker 1: the decision to pick him in the fifth round. That's
Speaker 1: that's significant right there. Tell me tell me this though,
Speaker 1: I think this makes a whole hell of a lot
Speaker 1: of sense. Knowing what we know about this coaching staff.
Speaker 1: They spent a fifth round pick to get Butler in here.
Speaker 1: He's fast, he's big, he showed a pension for making
Speaker 1: big plays when he wasn't injured. I won't be surprised
Speaker 1: at all if they're like, we got our big playmaker guy.
Speaker 1: We they basically spent a draft pick on him last year,
Speaker 1: and I wonder if that means that receiver is not
Speaker 1: the priority for them that we make it out to be.
Speaker 1: I think you have to do your due diligence though
Speaker 1: on guys like Treadwell, sure, because of what happens. If now,
Speaker 1: if he's you're in a position now as you go
Speaker 1: further down the back into this draft, then maybe the
Speaker 1: questions become a little bit less, you know. I mean
Speaker 1: we talk about we've talked about the kid from from
Speaker 1: Colorado State Higgins. You know, maybe if you get down
Speaker 1: into that fourth fifth round again, I mean, I I
Speaker 1: don't want to do it over on Devin Street in
Speaker 1: the fifth round, but maybe there's some guys that they're
Speaker 1: talking about are looking at absolutely that you know that
Speaker 1: they could It makes sense. I just this staff is
Speaker 1: so loyal to their guys, and then they've showed that
Speaker 1: with who they resign in free agency too. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: it's not going to surprise me. If stef Jack Crawford
Speaker 1: didn't get any loyalty that is all. Well, I think
Speaker 1: you can't pay everybody. Yes, I don't know, but I'm
Speaker 1: not going to be surprised if they decide and yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean maybe a late round pick or something. But
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be surprised if they decide not to
Speaker 1: spend a big, a big pick on that position when
Speaker 1: you consider what they spent to get Butler, Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 1: I think first we get third, fourth, fifth round. I
Speaker 1: think you know those middle rounds like that, we could
Speaker 1: see possibly see a receiver if the right one is there,
Speaker 1: and he might be the best player available for them. Um,
Speaker 1: I know in my The Star magazine, my mock for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys to have a receiver going I think fourth round.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that'd be interest because a lot of people
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm guilty of this talking about receiver at
Speaker 1: thirty four. Now what you know, the way you the
Speaker 1: way the way are you talking about it might not
Speaker 1: might not be a risk realistic at all. I don't know,
Speaker 1: even though even though the position might be the strongest
Speaker 1: on the board right at that time, and talking about
Speaker 1: so much because that's the sweet spot Yeah, they're in
Speaker 1: a good position with the defensive tackles as well. You know,
Speaker 1: they're probably not gonna take a one technique at thirty four,
Speaker 1: but you know, talking about that's where the sweet spot
Speaker 1: is to find value. That might be the pick they move.
Speaker 1: Thirty four might be the one. And by the way,
Speaker 1: I hate that though, I know, I'm just telling you.
Speaker 1: By the way, yesterday at a at pro Day, I
Speaker 1: went up to Less Snead at the rams GM. I
Speaker 1: told him, Hey, everybody on Twitter watching, to move forty
Speaker 1: three and forty five to Dallas. He goes, who am
Speaker 1: I take it? I said, just move it. Don't worry
Speaker 1: about it. I worry about just just yeah, just come
Speaker 1: on up there, and that's the pick last It is like, well,
Speaker 1: who am I gonna take? I said, don't worry about that.
Speaker 1: Just give him the picks and we'll all move on.
Speaker 1: I think he called Steven right after he got so
Speaker 1: I'm on the fence with that one. With a possible
Speaker 1: trade like that, Yeah, if I'm moving back ten plus
Speaker 1: spots in the first round, I want a future first rounder.
Speaker 1: That's just me. Honestly, it sounds great in theory, but
Speaker 1: that doesn't seem rich enough to me for forty three
Speaker 1: and forty five, would you like to have four picks
Speaker 1: inside the top fifty It sounds great. No, and it's
Speaker 1: trust me. I'm on the fence with this because I'm
Speaker 1: with two second rounders. To me, that's two. That's two, Starry.
Speaker 1: This is where this is where I think thirty four
Speaker 1: is gonna get moved. I think, don't worry about four.
Speaker 1: Someone's gonna want to come get thirty four. That's the
Speaker 1: one that's the Browns. At thirty two they hold the
Speaker 1: car because they have that first pick on Day two
Speaker 1: on Friday. Yeah, I think the Browns. I don't think
Speaker 1: there's any way they pick at thirty two. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think the Browns move out of that spot. And so
Speaker 1: depending on who the team that moves up is going
Speaker 1: to take. Yeah, absolutely, we could see the Cowboys move back.
Speaker 1: And by the ways, the crap out, what are you getting? Well,
Speaker 1: just get real. I was gonna give you a little,
Speaker 1: a little promo here. Okay, as we get close to
Speaker 1: the draft, we're gonna have one of those mock drafts.
Speaker 1: We do need to do that where where we get closer,
Speaker 1: like the week of the draft. I want to sit
Speaker 1: down and we're gonna go through every possible way this
Speaker 1: football team could help themselves hurt themselves. So stay tuned.
Speaker 1: We need that. We need to do a trade episode
Speaker 1: two where we chart and all, oh yeah, we'll trade.
Speaker 1: We'll have some fun. We've got plenty of shows the
Speaker 1: week of the draft. But I hate the idea of like,
Speaker 1: because if you're trading back from thirty four, how far
Speaker 1: back are you trade it? And like that top fifty
Speaker 1: is that's where I want to be picking. You're talking
Speaker 1: about picking at four and then not picking until like
Speaker 1: the sixties, people sitting around looking at their board or
Speaker 1: that after that first round, going okay, let's position ourselves
Speaker 1: to get this guy to buy. Okay, you're at thirty four,
Speaker 1: so you move back twelve spots, you're still in the
Speaker 1: top fifty. Plus you pick up you know, a third
Speaker 1: or fourth? Yeah, you know it could make sense. Who
Speaker 1: wants a fourth? Really? Like, what are you really get? Well,
Speaker 1: it depends who depends who is there who we were
Speaker 1: teams trading up for. I want first and second round
Speaker 1: picks round thirty four to forty three. Take the rams
Speaker 1: forty five, get another second round pick. See pick it
Speaker 1: at forty three and forty five back to back. That
Speaker 1: doesn't seem remotely good enough, not for thirty four. It's
Speaker 1: basically a first round work through it. I gotta go
Speaker 1: to a break all right, all right, thanks for bringing
Speaker 1: that up. Thanks for everybody out there, for all those
Speaker 1: Twitter questions. We do appreciate. Okay, coming up, we're gonna
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Speaker 1: David Helman, Kent Garrison, executive producer. I know, it's all
Speaker 1: I was just thinking to sometimes as I was pausing
Speaker 1: for something, we were talking about mock drafts and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. So I'm looking forward to all that. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just it's I want to get into the trades
Speaker 1: at back and fourth. Now it's like it's the time
Speaker 1: where nobody can accuse it of being too soon now,
Speaker 1: you know, like back in January it was like, really
Speaker 1: we're talking about this now Now that we know the
Speaker 1: medicals and all, now it's like let's go. Yeah it is.
Speaker 1: And also, um, we're gonna take calls at the end
Speaker 1: of the show, okay, and the numbers right there on
Speaker 1: the screen as you see eight eight eight eight five
Speaker 1: five two two ninths. Oh yeah, eight eight, five five
Speaker 1: two two nine seven is the number. We will take
Speaker 1: some calls at the end of the day. But right
Speaker 1: now we're gonna play a little tell me more. This
Speaker 1: is uh. I always forget that was coming on now.
Speaker 1: I forget every time. There we go. Now, this is
Speaker 1: the crowdsourced edition of Tell Me More, and a lot
Speaker 1: of people are gonna be happy based on my Twitter
Speaker 1: mentions that we're bringing us up. So tell me more
Speaker 1: about Morett's borringer how I don't know if I pronounced
Speaker 1: that right. The German super freak receiver who is six
Speaker 1: four two thirty and ran a four three eight this week.
Speaker 1: Measurables are off the charts. I mean on paper, he
Speaker 1: looks like an early round pick. I mean he sure
Speaker 1: he not only that, but his three cone was outstanding,
Speaker 1: his vert was great. Um, he watched the highlights and
Speaker 1: you know he's going up against these corners that look
Speaker 1: like me and Dave. I mean they're you know, five
Speaker 1: foot nine, and uh, they're not very fast. No one
Speaker 1: can challenge him. He's sure faced a corner who's really
Speaker 1: going to challenge him with a line of scrimmage. It's tough.
Speaker 1: It's a huge projection. Um. Could I see him getting
Speaker 1: drafted in the seventh round? Sure, you know it could happen.
Speaker 1: You know these teams love measurables. Sure, I think it's
Speaker 1: looking for traits, Yeah, exactly. I think it's more likely
Speaker 1: as a priority free agent, but wouldn't shock me at
Speaker 1: all if he's a later round pick. Somebody ran a
Speaker 1: photo of him catching and it looked real bad, like
Speaker 1: he was kind of doing this number like you know,
Speaker 1: like we just started playing the sport a couple of years.
Speaker 1: I mean, the route running, the technical, technical points of
Speaker 1: the game, they're just not there. And so it's a
Speaker 1: long term projection. This is where. This is where and
Speaker 1: you're talking about a guy that was an NFL europe veteran,
Speaker 1: you know, and Mike mcagnan, who's the GM at the Jets,
Speaker 1: was an NFL Europe veteran, and this is where they
Speaker 1: miss inn FFL Europe where those guys could have been
Speaker 1: over there, they could have been playing football, they could
Speaker 1: have been more comfortable. I mean, you could have found ways. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there were, there were, there were. That was the source
Speaker 1: if you wanted if we were gonna see UH players
Speaker 1: develop in Europe and then common play in the National
Speaker 1: Football League. And we don't have that. We haven't had
Speaker 1: that for ubly ten years now, you know, or more.
Speaker 1: And that's that's the disappointing thing. The guys who are
Speaker 1: the NFL h NFL Europe veterans they understand, they understand,
Speaker 1: not only could you have supplemented and the guys live. Mike,
Speaker 1: Mike mcagnan was in London. He saw it, so he
Speaker 1: you know, he and then we tried to bring guys in,
Speaker 1: whether it was a javelin throw or a discus guy,
Speaker 1: a shot whatever, we tried to get those guys rugby players,
Speaker 1: and it just we didn't have enough time to get
Speaker 1: it all done. And that's and that's that's where, that's
Speaker 1: where the I think the European population that has potential
Speaker 1: to play NFL football or even college football. You know,
Speaker 1: Jack Crawford, I mean Jack Crawford played. Yeah, those guys,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. So anyway, it's a shame this
Speaker 1: team loves their international. UM. A year ago, at this time,
Speaker 1: I thought this guy would have been a first round
Speaker 1: pick and he's not even on the radar now. So
Speaker 1: tell me more about Duke Williams out of Auburn, also
Speaker 1: known as Duck Heel. Yeah. Over the summer, you know,
Speaker 1: he was one of the top five wide receivers, top
Speaker 1: five senior wide receiver of prospects going into the year. Um,
Speaker 1: he just he couldn't got get out of his own way.
Speaker 1: He was in the doghouse constantly, uh suspended for the
Speaker 1: Bowl game last year as a junior than his past
Speaker 1: year with Gus Mason and the coaching staff just constantly
Speaker 1: butting heads and a bar fight ultimately led to his
Speaker 1: dismissal from the program. Um. But he was allowed to
Speaker 1: work out and at the combine. Somehow he got a
Speaker 1: combine invite, right, you know, thinking as lucky star as
Speaker 1: that happened. But he goes to the combine runs a
Speaker 1: four to seven, right, I mean, he's very unimpressive there.
Speaker 1: So I don't know how you could possibly even use
Speaker 1: a draft pick on this guy. He's a priority free agent,
Speaker 1: a guy that you bring in the camp and I'll
Speaker 1: be shocked that he makes a roster. Yeah, the times,
Speaker 1: the times on him were had such a great junior season.
Speaker 1: Four six nine is his speed thirty on the vertical jump.
Speaker 1: And then you know when you look at his twenty shuttles,
Speaker 1: they were four four seven four five three three cone
Speaker 1: seven four three and seven four three twice. A matter
Speaker 1: of fact, Yeah, he's gotten incredible size of six two
Speaker 1: two twenty nine. But for a guy that got the
Speaker 1: opportunity like he did, you know, to try and show people.
Speaker 1: It just showed you he was not committed to come
Speaker 1: into the combine and being ready to go, and he should.
Speaker 1: He could have wowed people. That's the combine is a
Speaker 1: way to change people's opinions of you. And by his
Speaker 1: measure pools and buy his workout, he showed, Hey, I
Speaker 1: just wanted this is what I want to be, and
Speaker 1: that's that's unfortunate. When you're talking about guys with these
Speaker 1: character concerns, you know, you look at their history and
Speaker 1: some For some guys it's one or two things you know,
Speaker 1: out of character maybe, but with this guy, it goes
Speaker 1: back to high school. It's one thing after another. He
Speaker 1: was a juco guy before college, which, um right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's unfortunate. He was a beast to watch in college,
Speaker 1: small school special. This is a brand brought us suggestion.
Speaker 1: Tell me more about David Perkins out of Illinois State,
Speaker 1: former Buckeye, Ohio State Buckeye. You got you got anything
Speaker 1: on Perkins? Is he a former buck Eye for the
Speaker 1: same reason that Noah spenses now, he just wanted more
Speaker 1: playing time, so I'm transferred out. Yeah, you know, undersized
Speaker 1: pass rusher, edge rusher. Uh, well, hey, who he can close? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's got some closing bars to him. He's and he's
Speaker 1: an athlete. Um where did you where? Did what position
Speaker 1: do you project him best at? I put him. I
Speaker 1: put him as a defensive end. It's where I thought
Speaker 1: because I felt like that he could be that right
Speaker 1: side guy. I mean I was really you talk about
Speaker 1: the ability to close, and the and the tape and
Speaker 1: there was game. I mean they played Iowa and that
Speaker 1: that one opened my eyes. And I know Iowa. You know,
Speaker 1: you talk about Iowa offensive lineman and whatever. But I
Speaker 1: just the thing about him is that he he can
Speaker 1: make plays on the move. And I mean I'm just
Speaker 1: looking through my notes that stop start quickness, gets up
Speaker 1: the field, he could spin, he finds the ball, he
Speaker 1: plays with leverage, He's relentless, he finishes, he has a
Speaker 1: feel on the twist. I mean he could split double teams.
Speaker 1: I saw that he's got the burst, the hands to
Speaker 1: get rid of blockers. This guy, I could see why
Speaker 1: he was at Ohio State. Now he's six two, two
Speaker 1: hundred two pounds and that's that's he's and he's at
Speaker 1: four seven six on the speed. But there's some pop
Speaker 1: in his hands. I mean, I'm I mean that he's
Speaker 1: playing on that right defensive end and he hits that
Speaker 1: Iowa left tackle and you see that his head snaps.
Speaker 1: I mean it's like snaps. He's got him, and then
Speaker 1: he's gone, and the plays going from the back and
Speaker 1: he's running. He's I talked about the twist. There's a
Speaker 1: reason why he was in Ohio State and then he
Speaker 1: ends up in Illinois State because he wants to play,
Speaker 1: and they don't let you go from Ohio State to
Speaker 1: Florida State and lets you graduate. Yeah, exactly. So keep
Speaker 1: an eye on David Perkins. There's the tape is very
Speaker 1: very good on him. All right. The listener suggestion, Okay,
Speaker 1: tell me more about Georgia Tech corner DJ White, three
Speaker 1: year starter. Yeah, he's a guy that I remember we
Speaker 1: watched him together, right, that's right. Um, when he was
Speaker 1: in press, when he got a chance to, you know,
Speaker 1: get up in the face of the wide receiver going
Speaker 1: his pedal, he looked very natural, right, he looked like
Speaker 1: he could do that with ease. But then when he's
Speaker 1: playing off coverage, he looked like a fish out of water.
Speaker 1: And so I think there's a big, big difference it's
Speaker 1: like you were watching two different guys. The traits are there, Um,
Speaker 1: you know, I think he can be a cornerback that
Speaker 1: helps your depth. I don't think I don't see a starter. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just going back. And he plays as a boundary corner,
Speaker 1: which means he uses the sideline to his advantage. He
Speaker 1: only has he has to play half the field, or
Speaker 1: really a quarter of the field. So that kind of
Speaker 1: tells you when they put somebody at the boundary corner,
Speaker 1: they're really not too comfortable with him having to carry
Speaker 1: guys and and going back. Dane's absolutely right, though. I
Speaker 1: just see a guy who played with a lot of balance,
Speaker 1: you know, and he's when he pedaled. I thought he
Speaker 1: got overpowered at times. You know, he didn't always want
Speaker 1: to get in on the tackle, right. I just don't
Speaker 1: see much ketchup speed either. Was another thing that I noticed.
Speaker 1: They're about it so not good. You're telling me, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just didn't. I didn't. I think Dane's got him right.
Speaker 1: But again, the thing about it is you get a
Speaker 1: guy that doesn't have much speed that plays in the boundary.
Speaker 1: I don't like anything you're saying. Yeah, he's a guy
Speaker 1: like when you say, well, when he does this, this
Speaker 1: and this, he's not bad. But the problem is he
Speaker 1: doesn't always play like that. He plays like another guy.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's hard. You know. I think he can draftable.
Speaker 1: He's draftable and I think he can feel I think
Speaker 1: I put him in the seventh round. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: he can fill a spot, you know, in the secondary
Speaker 1: on death chart. But you know he's gonna have to
Speaker 1: tweak some things in order to make a roster. Okay,
Speaker 1: we could do a whole segment on this guy, so
Speaker 1: we'll just be quick about it. But I don't tell me.
Speaker 1: I just want Yell's opinion on Vernon Adams. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: know exactly. Yeah, you know what, I was impressed with
Speaker 1: Vernon Adams's ability. I didn't think he had the ability.
Speaker 1: I didn't think he was gonna have the ability to
Speaker 1: throw a deep ball, and he can. He could. He
Speaker 1: could throw. I mean, I think he's got some deep
Speaker 1: ball touch. The problem is, though he has to move
Speaker 1: around to make throws, and the guys in the league
Speaker 1: that are moving around making throws, He's gonna tear up
Speaker 1: the CFL. That's how I think about it. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna tear up the CFL, and I
Speaker 1: think that he's that type of player. There are a
Speaker 1: lot of people that do like him, and it wouldn't
Speaker 1: shock me if he goes as early as the fourth round, yeah,
Speaker 1: and fighting for the NFC West. It would make a
Speaker 1: lot of sense for teams that have to play Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson twice a year, kind of get him a little look,
Speaker 1: get him in practice, and you know he can play
Speaker 1: fill that type of role. So I think Russell Vernon
Speaker 1: Adams in the mid rounds to an NFC West team,
Speaker 1: I could understand that. I tell you, the mobility is
Speaker 1: unbelievable ball handler mobility. Seeing him in the pocket, yeah,
Speaker 1: and seeing him up playing personal the Shrine game, I
Speaker 1: did appreciate that, but I also got so scared off
Speaker 1: by his He's short, we know that, but his launch
Speaker 1: points so low. Yeah, that worries the heck does on
Speaker 1: the tapes we were watching though, the ball right Hash
Speaker 1: left sideline making his arm talent and the body armor too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's just he's just a smaller guy. And we talked about, well,
Speaker 1: when he was healthy, well that's kind of the point, right,
Speaker 1: he was hurt multiple times at Oregon and even at
Speaker 1: Eastern Washington as FCS level your prediction if if fan
Speaker 1: favorite Jamil Showers can make a roster. Yeah, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna bet against this guy. Okay, thanks day for a
Speaker 1: I appreciate. Tell me more. Okay, Ken, I'm gonna turn
Speaker 1: the show over to you now. We got about five
Speaker 1: minutes left and I want to kind of bang through
Speaker 1: some calls here. By the way, folks, we're all doing
Speaker 1: great today. Thanks for being with us. And Ken, go ahead.
Speaker 1: Who we got Yeah, we got one of my favorites,
Speaker 1: Rain fort Worth. Go ahead, Ray, Ray, Hey, can you
Speaker 1: talk about these two players? I like it running back?
Speaker 1: I like, can you talk about Paul Perkins and and
Speaker 1: uh and I know Keith Marshall. Keith Marshall really handsome speed.
Speaker 1: What do you what do you think about those? I
Speaker 1: really love show? Okay, thanks Ray, Okay, we got Perkins.
Speaker 1: I think that you talk about Perkins to me, I
Speaker 1: was expecting like a little guy and he's not a
Speaker 1: little guy. I mean, you watch more tape though, I
Speaker 1: mean there's some times where you know he bangs around
Speaker 1: a little bit in there's a tough guy. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I just I'll tell you what the patience speed or
Speaker 1: should be more quickness than speed. Carries the ball well,
Speaker 1: can catch the ball. I don't see many problems with
Speaker 1: him though. He has a lot of creativity and runner
Speaker 1: and he has the instincts to make guys miss uh
Speaker 1: in small spaces, big spaces. The lack of a power
Speaker 1: element bathers. I think that's my hang up with Paul Perkins.
Speaker 1: But I think he can absolutely play in this league.
Speaker 1: That's that's for sure. Social's the opposite for me on that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't y'all. We talked about Marshall a week or two. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I don't sixth round like special teamers. I just
Speaker 1: didn't see a guy that played explosive. Yeah. If he
Speaker 1: has a clear lane, yeah, well yeah, but running and
Speaker 1: finishing and being tough, he doesn't have the same type
Speaker 1: of feel. The contact balances him there. He's going down
Speaker 1: on first contact a lot. So yeah, I agree. And
Speaker 1: the injury history, yeah has to scary? All right, can't
Speaker 1: Sam and san Antonio? Go ahead? Hey, guys, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: couple well one quick question too, Yeah, one quid question? Great?
Speaker 1: Thanks you. So the first thing is, uh, I want
Speaker 1: to know if I feel like a defense has to
Speaker 1: be built from the you know, you want to be
Speaker 1: style of the middle of your defense on all three levels.
Speaker 1: And and we and right now, I feel like this
Speaker 1: team is avoid the playmakers on either side, with the
Speaker 1: exception of that Brian being the only exception on either
Speaker 1: side of the ball. I wanted to ask you and
Speaker 1: Miles jack Case, I like him as a as a playmaker,
Speaker 1: and what you thought about using him in a Troy
Speaker 1: Polamillo type role where he's actually and he gets to
Speaker 1: play inside the box quite quite a bit, and you
Speaker 1: can play games with him and utilize him as a
Speaker 1: as a real weapon. And I just want to get
Speaker 1: your thoughts about him and just about that aspect about
Speaker 1: building your your defense from the center all the way
Speaker 1: through the middle of your defense. Okay, thanks, I appreciate that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: kick the guy can play. I mean he's absolutely right.
Speaker 1: I mean, Troy Polamal is a guy in and out,
Speaker 1: I mean back. You know, wherever you wanted to play him,
Speaker 1: you could do that. This kid's got that kind of ability.
Speaker 1: I think he has the same I think he's got
Speaker 1: more He's probably he's got more speed right than not
Speaker 1: the same positions, but he has the same ability. Well,
Speaker 1: and I was Byron just in terms of where all
Speaker 1: the different places they could put him and all the
Speaker 1: different things he could do. I just hope wherever Miles
Speaker 1: Jack ends up, I hope he goes to a team
Speaker 1: that is creative with him. And that's you know, you
Speaker 1: look at different teams around the league. Some are some aren't.
Speaker 1: I think the team like the Arizona Cardinals, the way
Speaker 1: they use them Bikan and Tommy Matthew, they played to
Speaker 1: their strengths. I just hope wherever Miles Jack goes, they
Speaker 1: played to his strengths, whether it's a lineback or a
Speaker 1: hybrid version of whatever. So kind of worry that that
Speaker 1: wouldn't happen here. They seem so rigid with their structure
Speaker 1: sometimes I think I think they did move Byron a
Speaker 1: little bit last year with Byron yet but this is
Speaker 1: a very very you make a fair point, So you
Speaker 1: do make a fair point about that. I don't know,
Speaker 1: all right, kid, you got one more in yeah, last one?
Speaker 1: Shane in Ohio, Shane Ohio. Yes, I was climb to Jack.
Speaker 1: You'll see about two light round gyms. Doug Milson have
Speaker 1: a Appelachian state, and possibly Brian Poole back, I believe
Speaker 1: out of Florida. All right, thank you very much. Two
Speaker 1: solid players. Brian Pool played a nickel position for Florida
Speaker 1: corner safety Hybrid H surprise. He was invited to the
Speaker 1: combine because I thought he was a pretty good player.
Speaker 1: He was a Shrine game East West shrine game guy.
Speaker 1: I think he's borderline draft all late rounds. He's a
Speaker 1: solid player. Doug Middleton, I you know, just by looking
Speaker 1: at him, watching him on app state tape, I see
Speaker 1: an SEC player just by the look of I mean
Speaker 1: he physically looks the part, doesn't play the part. The
Speaker 1: angles all over the place. He'll come up and hit you,
Speaker 1: and when he connects, he connects. But the angles aren't
Speaker 1: always sound. Um. I questioned his vision what he's actually
Speaker 1: seeing out there at the instincts. So I think Doug
Speaker 1: Middleton's more of a p FA, a priority free agent
Speaker 1: type of guy. But definitely someone will be in a camp. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you saw an SEC type of people looks like
Speaker 1: it because physically striped together and he can move. But
Speaker 1: like I said, the angles aren't sound the instincts, I questioned,
Speaker 1: So more of an under Okay, well that's all the
Speaker 1: time we have today for the Draft Show. I want
Speaker 1: to thank our team here, Dame Burglar, David Hellman, Kent Garrison,
Speaker 1: Executive produce. I also want to thank Scott Purcell, Dave
Speaker 1: Burst and Blake Silverthorne for putting together the little bells
Speaker 1: and whistles that we have as part of the Draft Show.
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Speaker 1: Be twenty days until an NFL draft, so stay tuned
Speaker 1: and we will see you then.