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Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys Selection Byrand Joe and now your hosts

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Speaker 1: Dane Brugler, David Hellman and Brian brought us twenty seven

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Speaker 1: right now we get to try and investigate and educate

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Speaker 1: all things NFL Draft. You have the Draft Show with

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Speaker 1: Dan Brugler from CBS Sports and Dallas Cowboys dot Com,

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Speaker 1: David Hellman from Dallas Cowboys dot Com and now a veteran,

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Speaker 1: a two time veteran of draft or Pro Day coverage,

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Speaker 1: Yea Baylor and I need you, yeah, rapping wrapping them up.

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Speaker 1: Good job on all that. Probably one one more week

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Speaker 1: of Pro Days, one more weeks, one more week next

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Speaker 1: week ago what A and M and uh Memphis, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Memphis were getting We're getting close to teams, We're getting

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Speaker 1: close to visits. I feel we're getting close to that

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Speaker 1: time where like when you've studied enough, you're like I

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Speaker 1: know it or I don't you know and shut the

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Speaker 1: book and you're like whatever, let's do this. Well, that's

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Speaker 1: that's our show. I mean, we're gonna try twenty seven days.

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Speaker 1: I know. It's when we're looking at German wide receivers. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about that. Don't ruin that, all right, that's

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Speaker 1: coming up later in the show. I heard, Okay, well

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Speaker 1: that's a nice tease. Dave Good Radio right there again

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Speaker 1: the Draft Show here from the SWBC Mortgage Studios. I

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Speaker 1: got all the scouting guys involved here. Ken Garrison, Executive producer, Um,

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Speaker 1: I want to jump in like I always do. Dan,

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Speaker 1: you and I were talking about this earlier. Polarizing players. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: players that make us pause or make us fight, like

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Speaker 1: hell yeah, create debate, And I was interested in some

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Speaker 1: of your thoughts about that because you and I and

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Speaker 1: I like it when I don't see eyed eye with

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Speaker 1: you guys, and I loved it when I was working

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Speaker 1: in draft rooms and I didn't see eyed eye. But

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Speaker 1: we needed to come to a consensus. Sure, we're in

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Speaker 1: a political year right now, we're trying to figure these

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Speaker 1: guys out. But I think it's important though, as we

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Speaker 1: start to build this draft board, as we start to

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Speaker 1: look at these guys, you know you gotta put your

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Speaker 1: feelings aside. Once that's over with, but talk about what

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Speaker 1: you feel like though. I mean, you know, when when

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Speaker 1: we work through this, as we go along and you

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Speaker 1: and I talk about Bosa and guys like that, and

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Speaker 1: we get you know, we just kind of and it's

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Speaker 1: not that I think you're wrong, and I'm sure it's

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Speaker 1: not maybe you think I'm wrong, but but talk about

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Speaker 1: a little bit your feelings on that. Well. It's one

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Speaker 1: of the reasons the drafts is so fun is because

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Speaker 1: two sets of eyes can see totally different things, you know,

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Speaker 1: and ice cream exactly, I call that, say that all

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Speaker 1: the time. And so we talked about We talked to

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Speaker 1: Joey Bosa to death. You know, I like him a lot.

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Speaker 1: You don't like him as much. I think, you know,

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Speaker 1: mister Hellman somewhere in the middle. That's fair. Yeah, So,

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Speaker 1: you know, and there's a lot of those types of

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Speaker 1: of them and you know, kind of debate where we

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Speaker 1: think they are. One guy is really interesting, West Virginia's

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Speaker 1: safety Carl Joseph. You know, if you put on the highlights,

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Speaker 1: you know, watch him against Oklahoma last year. He's Earl Thomas. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the way he flies around the field, but he also

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Speaker 1: bringing this up because of what mister Riddick said on TV,

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Speaker 1: if you watch the highlights, he's Earl Thomas. But it's

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Speaker 1: watch the entire tape and he's flying around, missing these tackles.

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Speaker 1: then I've got three guys in that late second, early

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Speaker 1: somebody because he plays mad. Yeah, you could tell on

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Speaker 1: don't love about Neil is single digit passes defense over

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Speaker 1: But he's a solid player. I think he'd be a

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Speaker 1: starter in this league. Okay, I get some other guys

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Speaker 1: U Baylor's Corey Coleman. Ah, Yeah, I mean I know

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Speaker 1: You know what, I saw a guy that I thought

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Speaker 1: Dame Brugler, David Hellman. Looking to my left in our

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Speaker 1: control room, I see Derek Eagleton, the boss of all

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Speaker 1: things good for us and folks happier, looks happy, looks happy.

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Speaker 1: But folks need to go on Twitter and thank Derek.

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Speaker 1: He's the one that came up with that whole idea

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Speaker 1: about three days of draft coverage wall to wall, and

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Speaker 1: so he's the guy you need to think. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: We're also excited a couple of different things. Dame Bruglers

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Speaker 1: put out his sixty Elite Draft guide right there, Dane,

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Speaker 1: you can talk about that a little bit. Yeah, this

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Speaker 1: fan you know, it goes up the top sixty guys

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Speaker 1: in this draft, some really cool pictures, goes in death

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Speaker 1: and then My Beast comes out on Monday. Yeah, next

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Speaker 1: go and that's yeah, four hundred and fifty prospects deep.

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Speaker 1: That'll be on I'll put out the link out on Twitter. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: That's a must have as you're following the NFL draft.

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Speaker 1: These cats are going to pick some people that you

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Speaker 1: don't know about. Dane does know about him. He's gonna

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Speaker 1: have some, you know, some reports for you there. He's

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Speaker 1: also going to be in studio with us talking about

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Speaker 1: these guys each picks. We also got Star magazine. Now

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Speaker 1: this is the last year's issue. We got all our

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Speaker 1: information in on it, going through the players. There'll be stories,

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Speaker 1: there'll be mock draft. Dane's contributing, Dave's in it. Everybody

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Speaker 1: all hands on deck. This should be coming out here

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Speaker 1: in the next couple of weeks. You could buy individual

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Speaker 1: copies of that as well. You ought to also buy

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Speaker 1: the Star magazine a subscription for the year because a

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Speaker 1: lot of great things going on with that as well.

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Speaker 1: So a couple different ways of falling along the NFL

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Speaker 1: Draft on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and then through our

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Speaker 1: guides and things that we have here. Okay, it's that

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Speaker 1: time of day where I thank ed Cahill for coming

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Speaker 1: up with this, and I turn over to David Helmet.

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Speaker 1: It is Twitter. On the Twitter, Dane gave me a

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Speaker 1: really great segue right at the end of the first segment.

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Speaker 1: He talked about Christian Hackenburg, who the Cowboys reportedly worked

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Speaker 1: out privately. There you go, yeah, uh what. First of all,

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about that too. It seems like

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Speaker 1: they have been leaning way more on these private workouts

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Speaker 1: and not so much the pro day's. Is the reasoning

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Speaker 1: for that the high quality, high placement of their pick. Also,

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Speaker 1: John wants to know if he's a realistic option at

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Speaker 1: thirty four? Is that too rich for Hackenburg? I have

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Speaker 1: him in the third myself, and again they don't care

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Speaker 1: what we think, but myself, I have him the third.

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Speaker 1: I could understand why they're doing their due diligence on

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Speaker 1: these quarterbacks though, because he's in that mix. Once you

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Speaker 1: get past those top three that everybody have has on

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Speaker 1: their board, and I guarantee the Cowboys will bring all

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Speaker 1: three of those guys in as well on that thirty visit.

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Speaker 1: They were going to figure this thing out. But the

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Speaker 1: the the reason why they do the workout by themselves

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Speaker 1: is they could They could incorporate their routes, they can

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Speaker 1: incorporate their ops, they can incorporate their terminology, a lot

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Speaker 1: of stuff, find out how this kid really ticks. And

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Speaker 1: I think that's the important thing. You can go to

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Speaker 1: a pro day like we did yesterday at TCU and

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Speaker 1: watch boy can just kind of throw the ball around

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Speaker 1: in the scripted workout, but if you really really want

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Speaker 1: to get to know the kid, have him do some

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Speaker 1: of your passes to see if he can do that.

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Speaker 1: That's why this is important absolutely And you know, the

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Speaker 1: Pro Day, like you said, it's scripted, so you know

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Speaker 1: there's no you should look awesome as a quarterback going

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Speaker 1: through a pro day workout. That's why come to me

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Speaker 1: quarterback Pro Day workouts being really just absolutely nothing. But

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Speaker 1: for the teams to individually work out these players, you know,

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Speaker 1: they can tell them what routes they want exactly. Do

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Speaker 1: the full round tree. They want to do, they want

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Speaker 1: to see certain things. It's unrehearsed stuff exactly. It's total

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Speaker 1: unrehearsed to undersnap, rollout whatever you want to do, you

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Speaker 1: can make them do that. So I think it's it's

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Speaker 1: it's smart for these for the Cowboys to be going

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Speaker 1: through each one of these quarterbacks, working them out and

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Speaker 1: just finding out more about them. This is that age

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Speaker 1: old issue though. I mean you have you have hack

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Speaker 1: as a third round grade too, right, but later late

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Speaker 1: fourth boom. I mean I don't but if you want him,

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Speaker 1: you probably have to take him a thirty fourth when

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Speaker 1: that's what I was gonna say, is I mean we

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Speaker 1: talk about that all the time. Quarterbacks are probably overvalued

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Speaker 1: by like a full round because so always on a

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Speaker 1: draft board that realistically, No, I don't over under five

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks draft in the first two rounds over or over

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Speaker 1: under five quarterbacks first two, three, four? Yeah probably over yeah,

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Speaker 1: all right, so I think the top three and then

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Speaker 1: you throw in Cook throwing Hackenburg, probably Cardale Jones and

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Speaker 1: that somewhere in that second. Don't discount the precept kid

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Speaker 1: from I like North Carolina State. I know, I know,

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Speaker 1: and I know you're gonna give me that look, and

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Speaker 1: that's fine. But again, I'm like you though, this time

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Speaker 1: year you get to talk to some people. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's got a lot of fans. Yeah, and you get

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Speaker 1: a lot and you don't don't, don't discount because there

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Speaker 1: I think there's like three levels of these guys. You

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Speaker 1: talked about the Cooks and the Hackenburgh and those guys.

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Speaker 1: There's like three different levels of quarterbacks. Don't you think

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Speaker 1: it's like a little bit ego too, Like we we

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Speaker 1: can fix him, we got this dad. Ego always gets

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Speaker 1: you trouble. Then they'll be coaching at some other place

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Speaker 1: when that ego gets in the way. Right, Aaron's got

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Speaker 1: a really good question between his measurables and his everything

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Speaker 1: about him really. William Jackson third, I mean, he's he

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Speaker 1: seems like he should be in the conversation for like

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Speaker 1: top corner in the draft, but you kind of see

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Speaker 1: him more so toward the back end of the first round.

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Speaker 1: What's what's holding him back? Why? Why is that or

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Speaker 1: or where do you see him? For the right defense?

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Speaker 1: I think he will be the top corner in the

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Speaker 1: draft on certain draft boards, right, you know, And I

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Speaker 1: think just comes down to what kind of scheme do

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Speaker 1: you run? Because William Jackson, he's the best corner in

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Speaker 1: this draft. With his back to the ball, he does

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Speaker 1: an outstanding job of feeling the pass, making a play.

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Speaker 1: He finds the ball really well. He closes on routes,

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Speaker 1: so if you want him the press, he can do that.

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Speaker 1: But he's just a little bit different type a player

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Speaker 1: when he's playing off plan zone. Doesn't have that, you know,

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Speaker 1: the lower body twitch to you know, really make up

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Speaker 1: ground a small spaces. He more a long strider, So yes,

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Speaker 1: a little different. So I think for some teams he

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Speaker 1: will be the number one corner on the draft board,

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Speaker 1: But it just depends on schemes. You know what teams

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Speaker 1: will like about this guy. You could throw on tape

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Speaker 1: and he's knocking the ball down. There's a lot of

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Speaker 1: times you'll watch some of this tape and then and

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Speaker 1: you never see a guy knock a ball down. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you'll see him cover all day. Twenty eight passes defended

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Speaker 1: this past year, and that tells you a little bit like, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, teams are throwing the ball at him though

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Speaker 1: as well, Yeah, they were trying to, they were trying to.

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Speaker 1: They felt like teams felt like they can make plays

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Speaker 1: on this guy. He's That's why I think, excuse me, Dave,

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Speaker 1: the measurables, the things that dates some about some of

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Speaker 1: the traits. He's absolutely right about this kid. But the

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Speaker 1: thing that I think teams like is you could actually

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Speaker 1: see him knocking the ball down. Yeah. I think he's

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Speaker 1: one of those guys that we saw as a possibility

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Speaker 1: for thirty four a month ago, and now I get

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Speaker 1: the idea that that's not realistic late that teams and

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Speaker 1: looking at him in the late one, Yeah, I was

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Speaker 1: killed it and I and I and I you know,

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Speaker 1: I'll mock him every time they mocked him. It might

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Speaker 1: have been you. Somebody mocked him as high as fourteen.

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Speaker 1: Ye have him going to Oakland right now? Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean now, they took a Houston receiver, they took a

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Speaker 1: Houston corner before. Hey, that was that was kind of

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Speaker 1: my big thing. Don't don't get caught up at the

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Speaker 1: Houston part. Because William Jackson's a good player. By trapped

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Speaker 1: in an LSU corner here exactly, Hey, yeah, exactly, Uh,

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Speaker 1: simple man. Notre Dame had their protay yesterday. Yeah, he

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Speaker 1: wants some information about Procis and his fit here. What

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Speaker 1: you think about him, I know you like him a lot.

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Speaker 1: I do like him a lot. He's a top five

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Speaker 1: back in this class. Yeah, I believe no doubt about that.

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Speaker 1: And and the thing about pro Sis that I like.

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Speaker 1: I think he's learning how to be a running back.

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Speaker 1: I mean when you talk that he just but he

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Speaker 1: looked comfortable. He looked comfortable last year at Notre Dame

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Speaker 1: when they handed him to football, he took it between

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Speaker 1: the tackles. He's able to bounce it outside. I love

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Speaker 1: his I love his uh, his demeanor with carrying the football.

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Speaker 1: I think he finishes runs. I think when he gets

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Speaker 1: near the goal line and he gets in the end zone,

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Speaker 1: and I think he could run himself in and out

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Speaker 1: of trouble. He's got the juice. He has got some juice.

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Speaker 1: And I could see somebody taking him and him having

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Speaker 1: a nice long career being an every down. I think

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Speaker 1: people will develop him. He's he's got the arrow old

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Speaker 1: scouting arrow going up. Guy. He's got arrow going up

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Speaker 1: because he's he can learn and he's and he's proven

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Speaker 1: though at Notre Dame in a big time stage, that

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Speaker 1: he can can handle that on that swing. He's still

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Speaker 1: developing his run tempo in sting, especially between the tackles.

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Speaker 1: But you see, I mean he'll feel for a player

633
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Speaker 1: that never played running back until a few weeks before

634
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: the sounds field, Yeah, he has it. And we know

635
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: he can catch the ball in the backfield. Right. He

636
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: was Notre Dame Special Teams Player of the Year last year,

637
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: so he can play special teams as well. So I

638
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: mean there's a lot of times that you like about

639
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: him that. Yeah, he's a top five back in this class.

640
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: Dang ye the third, third round. I had him in

641
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: the third Yeah. Uh. Word coming out this week that

642
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: San Diego told Miles Jack that they see him as

643
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: a safety. Justin wants to know what you think about

644
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: his I mean so much if you're well, you want

645
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: that's he wants a comparison. I guess a comparison Ramsey

646
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: and Jack. I mean, we talk about Jack all the time,

647
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: and we talk about him as a linebacker. I mean,

648
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: if you're planning on playing him exclusively at safety, is

649
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: he still that high of a pick? Is he worth

650
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:28,479
Speaker 1: a top five pick if you're going to play him

651
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: at safety? I say, I don't, I don't, I don't

652
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: know he's not a traditional safety hard you know, he

653
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: needs answered that. I realize if you're gonna play him

654
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: at safety, you're it's got to be a hybrid version

655
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: of a safety. You know, it's got to be something

656
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: where uh you know, he's lined up over the slot

657
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: receiver or he's playing a lot close to the line

658
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: of scrimmage. I don't want Miles Jack single high. Could

659
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: he do it? Sure? He god, I mean there's nothing

660
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: he can't. He could play quarterback for my team, right,

661
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: you know he can do it all. But in terms

662
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: of maximize his value and what his strengths are and

663
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: what he does best, I want him the slot. I

664
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: want him close the line of scrimmage, so he can

665
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: you know, show that off that range versus run, uh,

666
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: you know, making plays in the perimeter, covering guys dropping.

667
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: So I mean, could he play safety? Sure, but I

668
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: think you're not using his strengths. I think I'm gonna

669
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: steal some words out of your mouth because I think

670
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: you said it yesterday. Is that you get him near

671
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: the ball? Yeah you won't want him, right? Yeah, you

672
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: won't him? Yeah? Why would you allow offenses to dictate

673
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: where you play him? Right? They spread you out and

674
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, No, No, he's his safety and

675
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: he's gonna go walk in coverage and you do something

676
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: else on the other side of the field and he's

677
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: over here standing, you know, not doing anything. No, his

678
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: strength is being around the ball. Whatever you can do

679
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: to put him nearer the ball, you're helping your team

680
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: playing his safety. It's just and I asked, I asked

681
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: them NFL people, but I would you lean Miles Jack

682
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: up and haven't play safety and that? And because I

683
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: knew the answer, I knew the answer, just what I

684
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: gave you. Why would you remove him from the defense? Sure?

685
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: And that's exactly what these these guys were saying. It's

686
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: not that he can't do it, because he can, right,

687
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: but it's just, you know, to maximize his value and

688
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: his strengths. Absolutely, play through the line. Yeah, close to Yeah,

689
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: get me, get me right by the In the middle

690
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: of all that, Aaron just literally just tweeted something to

691
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 1: Miles Jack being big Nickel and I actually love that

692
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: a lot. I mean, yeah, bring that on all day. Yeah.

693
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: I had a guy. I had a guy did the

694
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: day on Twitter, and I love all my Twitter people.

695
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 1: You know, the guy on Twitter, goes I said, well,

696
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: you could take if you drafted Miles Jack, you could

697
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 1: play if you wanted to keep you want to keep

698
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: Rolando on the field with Lee and then take Miles Jack.

699
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 1: Had put him in bury Church's spot. And someone says,

700
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,399
Speaker 1: you would never just play with one safety. Miles Jack

701
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: could cover if he has to. It's like having a

702
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: safety on the field but with the linebacker size. So

703
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: I mean you'd like to go. You would never just

704
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 1: have one, say bs if the safety was if the

705
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: safety was Jones, You'd had it. You'd be just fine.

706
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: Creative with these guys. I mean, don't just if this

707
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 1: isn't Madden where you you know, you had to find

708
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: a free safety, had to find a strong safety had Yeah,

709
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: you know, and be creat with these guys and all

710
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: the different things they get locked up in the position.

711
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: Just figure out where to play him. I think I

712
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: trust undrafted, never played in the NFL. I feel better

713
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 1: about Jack and coverage than J. J. Wilcox. Yeah, uh

714
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: sorry anyway, Uh, Roderick wants to know we talk. We

715
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,760
Speaker 1: have talked a lot about wide receivers. Yeah, which raises

716
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: the very solid point that the Cowboys have six of them,

717
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: and if they were to do that, I people forget

718
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: about Bryce Butler. And basically is what I'm trying to say,

719
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: And you would you spent a fifth round pick on

720
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 1: the guy? Is that viable when you consider who's here?

721
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 1: And if they did do that, who's the odd man

722
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 1: out in that scenario? I think that how much more

723
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: leash does Devin Street have? That's yeah, there's your that's

724
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 1: your question. That's the answer right there. Yeah, that that's

725
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 1: your end to me that if there was one guy

726
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: that that I was hopeful for would have taken to

727
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: jump the fact that the coaches committed to playing him,

728
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: he was active every week. Yeah, they threw him out there.

729
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: That gave him opportunity. You know, he's on the about

730
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: to be in the third year of a program where

731
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 1: it's time to go yea, you know they they you

732
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: know somebody you know as as an organization, they made

733
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 1: the decision to pick him in the fifth round. That's

734
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: that's significant right there. Tell me tell me this though,

735
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: I think this makes a whole hell of a lot

736
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,760
Speaker 1: of sense. Knowing what we know about this coaching staff.

737
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 1: They spent a fifth round pick to get Butler in here.

738
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: He's fast, he's big, he showed a pension for making

739
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,800
Speaker 1: big plays when he wasn't injured. I won't be surprised

740
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: at all if they're like, we got our big playmaker guy.

741
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: We they basically spent a draft pick on him last year,

742
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 1: and I wonder if that means that receiver is not

743
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: the priority for them that we make it out to be.

744
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 1: I think you have to do your due diligence though

745
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: on guys like Treadwell, sure, because of what happens. If now,

746
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: if he's you're in a position now as you go

747
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: further down the back into this draft, then maybe the

748
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 1: questions become a little bit less, you know. I mean

749
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: we talk about we've talked about the kid from from

750
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: Colorado State Higgins. You know, maybe if you get down

751
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: into that fourth fifth round again, I mean, I I

752
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: don't want to do it over on Devin Street in

753
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: the fifth round, but maybe there's some guys that they're

754
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 1: talking about are looking at absolutely that you know that

755
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 1: they could It makes sense. I just this staff is

756
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: so loyal to their guys, and then they've showed that

757
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: with who they resign in free agency too. Yeah, so

758
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: it's not going to surprise me. If stef Jack Crawford

759
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: didn't get any loyalty that is all. Well, I think

760
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: you can't pay everybody. Yes, I don't know, but I'm

761
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: not going to be surprised if they decide and yeah,

762
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:39,919
Speaker 1: I mean maybe a late round pick or something. But

763
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be surprised if they decide not to

764
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: spend a big, a big pick on that position when

765
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,919
Speaker 1: you consider what they spent to get Butler, Yeah, that's fair.

766
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 1: I think first we get third, fourth, fifth round. I

767
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 1: think you know those middle rounds like that, we could

768
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: see possibly see a receiver if the right one is there,

769
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: and he might be the best player available for them. Um,

770
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: I know in my The Star magazine, my mock for

771
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 1: the Cowboys to have a receiver going I think fourth round.

772
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, that'd be interest because a lot of people

773
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,879
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm guilty of this talking about receiver at

774
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: thirty four. Now what you know, the way you the

775
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: way the way are you talking about it might not

776
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 1: might not be a risk realistic at all. I don't know,

777
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: even though even though the position might be the strongest

778
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: on the board right at that time, and talking about

779
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: so much because that's the sweet spot Yeah, they're in

780
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 1: a good position with the defensive tackles as well. You know,

781
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: they're probably not gonna take a one technique at thirty four,

782
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: but you know, talking about that's where the sweet spot

783
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: is to find value. That might be the pick they move.

784
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: Thirty four might be the one. And by the way,

785
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: I hate that though, I know, I'm just telling you.

786
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 1: By the way, yesterday at a at pro Day, I

787
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: went up to Less Snead at the rams GM. I

788
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: told him, Hey, everybody on Twitter watching, to move forty

789
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 1: three and forty five to Dallas. He goes, who am

790
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 1: I take it? I said, just move it. Don't worry

791
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: about it. I worry about just just yeah, just come

792
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: on up there, and that's the pick last It is like, well,

793
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: who am I gonna take? I said, don't worry about that.

794
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,359
Speaker 1: Just give him the picks and we'll all move on.

795
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 1: I think he called Steven right after he got so

796
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,240
Speaker 1: I'm on the fence with that one. With a possible

797
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: trade like that, Yeah, if I'm moving back ten plus

798
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,760
Speaker 1: spots in the first round, I want a future first rounder.

799
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: That's just me. Honestly, it sounds great in theory, but

800
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: that doesn't seem rich enough to me for forty three

801
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: and forty five, would you like to have four picks

802
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,399
Speaker 1: inside the top fifty It sounds great. No, and it's

803
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: trust me. I'm on the fence with this because I'm

804
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: with two second rounders. To me, that's two. That's two, Starry.

805
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: This is where this is where I think thirty four

806
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 1: is gonna get moved. I think, don't worry about four.

807
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: Someone's gonna want to come get thirty four. That's the

808
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: one that's the Browns. At thirty two they hold the

809
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: car because they have that first pick on Day two

810
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 1: on Friday. Yeah, I think the Browns. I don't think

811
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: there's any way they pick at thirty two. Yeah, I

812
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: think the Browns move out of that spot. And so

813
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: depending on who the team that moves up is going

814
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: to take. Yeah, absolutely, we could see the Cowboys move back.

815
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: And by the ways, the crap out, what are you getting? Well,

816
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: just get real. I was gonna give you a little,

817
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: a little promo here. Okay, as we get close to

818
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,280
Speaker 1: the draft, we're gonna have one of those mock drafts.

819
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 1: We do need to do that where where we get closer,

820
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: like the week of the draft. I want to sit

821
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: down and we're gonna go through every possible way this

822
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,839
Speaker 1: football team could help themselves hurt themselves. So stay tuned.

823
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:19,760
Speaker 1: We need that. We need to do a trade episode

824
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: two where we chart and all, oh yeah, we'll trade.

825
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 1: We'll have some fun. We've got plenty of shows the

826
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: week of the draft. But I hate the idea of like,

827
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: because if you're trading back from thirty four, how far

828
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 1: back are you trade it? And like that top fifty

829
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,439
Speaker 1: is that's where I want to be picking. You're talking

830
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: about picking at four and then not picking until like

831
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: the sixties, people sitting around looking at their board or

832
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: that after that first round, going okay, let's position ourselves

833
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: to get this guy to buy. Okay, you're at thirty four,

834
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 1: so you move back twelve spots, you're still in the

835
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 1: top fifty. Plus you pick up you know, a third

836
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: or fourth? Yeah, you know it could make sense. Who

837
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: wants a fourth? Really? Like, what are you really get? Well,

838
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: it depends who depends who is there who we were

839
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,439
Speaker 1: teams trading up for. I want first and second round

840
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 1: picks round thirty four to forty three. Take the rams

841
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: forty five, get another second round pick. See pick it

842
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: at forty three and forty five back to back. That

843
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: doesn't seem remotely good enough, not for thirty four. It's

844
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Speaker 1: David Helman, Kent Garrison, executive producer. I know, it's all

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00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: I was just thinking to sometimes as I was pausing

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00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 1: for something, we were talking about mock drafts and stuff

886
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: like that. So I'm looking forward to all that. I mean,

887
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: it's just it's I want to get into the trades

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00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,959
Speaker 1: at back and fourth. Now it's like it's the time

889
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: where nobody can accuse it of being too soon now,

890
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 1: you know, like back in January it was like, really

891
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 1: we're talking about this now Now that we know the

892
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 1: medicals and all, now it's like let's go. Yeah it is.

893
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 1: And also, um, we're gonna take calls at the end

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00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 1: of the show, okay, and the numbers right there on

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Speaker 1: five two two ninths. Oh yeah, eight eight, five five

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Speaker 1: two two nine seven is the number. We will take

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Speaker 1: some calls at the end of the day. But right

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Speaker 1: now we're gonna play a little tell me more. This

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Speaker 1: is uh. I always forget that was coming on now.

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00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: I forget every time. There we go. Now, this is

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00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 1: the crowdsourced edition of Tell Me More, and a lot

903
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 1: of people are gonna be happy based on my Twitter

904
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: mentions that we're bringing us up. So tell me more

905
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:52,240
Speaker 1: about Morett's borringer how I don't know if I pronounced

906
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: that right. The German super freak receiver who is six

907
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: four two thirty and ran a four three eight this week.

908
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: Measurables are off the charts. I mean on paper, he

909
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,919
Speaker 1: looks like an early round pick. I mean he sure

910
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: he not only that, but his three cone was outstanding,

911
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: his vert was great. Um, he watched the highlights and

912
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: you know he's going up against these corners that look

913
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: like me and Dave. I mean they're you know, five

914
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: foot nine, and uh, they're not very fast. No one

915
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: can challenge him. He's sure faced a corner who's really

916
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,399
Speaker 1: going to challenge him with a line of scrimmage. It's tough.

917
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: It's a huge projection. Um. Could I see him getting

918
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 1: drafted in the seventh round? Sure, you know it could happen.

919
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,399
Speaker 1: You know these teams love measurables. Sure, I think it's

920
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: looking for traits, Yeah, exactly. I think it's more likely

921
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: as a priority free agent, but wouldn't shock me at

922
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: all if he's a later round pick. Somebody ran a

923
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: photo of him catching and it looked real bad, like

924
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 1: he was kind of doing this number like you know,

925
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: like we just started playing the sport a couple of years.

926
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 1: I mean, the route running, the technical, technical points of

927
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: the game, they're just not there. And so it's a

928
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 1: long term projection. This is where. This is where and

929
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: you're talking about a guy that was an NFL europe veteran,

930
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: you know, and Mike mcagnan, who's the GM at the Jets,

931
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 1: was an NFL Europe veteran, and this is where they

932
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: miss inn FFL Europe where those guys could have been

933
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 1: over there, they could have been playing football, they could

934
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: have been more comfortable. I mean, you could have found ways. Yeah,

935
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: there were, there were, there were. That was the source

936
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: if you wanted if we were gonna see UH players

937
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: develop in Europe and then common play in the National

938
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Speaker 1: Football League. And we don't have that. We haven't had

939
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: that for ubly ten years now, you know, or more.

940
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: And that's that's the disappointing thing. The guys who are

941
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: the NFL h NFL Europe veterans they understand, they understand,

942
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 1: not only could you have supplemented and the guys live. Mike,

943
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: Mike mcagnan was in London. He saw it, so he

944
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: you know, he and then we tried to bring guys in,

945
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: whether it was a javelin throw or a discus guy,

946
00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: a shot whatever, we tried to get those guys rugby players,

947
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: and it just we didn't have enough time to get

948
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 1: it all done. And that's and that's that's where, that's

949
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:10,320
Speaker 1: where the I think the European population that has potential

950
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: to play NFL football or even college football. You know,

951
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: Jack Crawford, I mean Jack Crawford played. Yeah, those guys,

952
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. So anyway, it's a shame this

953
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: team loves their international. UM. A year ago, at this time,

954
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: I thought this guy would have been a first round

955
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: pick and he's not even on the radar now. So

956
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 1: tell me more about Duke Williams out of Auburn, also

957
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 1: known as Duck Heel. Yeah. Over the summer, you know,

958
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,399
Speaker 1: he was one of the top five wide receivers, top

959
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: five senior wide receiver of prospects going into the year. Um,

960
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: he just he couldn't got get out of his own way.

961
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: He was in the doghouse constantly, uh suspended for the

962
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 1: Bowl game last year as a junior than his past

963
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: year with Gus Mason and the coaching staff just constantly

964
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 1: butting heads and a bar fight ultimately led to his

965
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 1: dismissal from the program. Um. But he was allowed to

966
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 1: work out and at the combine. Somehow he got a

967
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:07,399
Speaker 1: combine invite, right, you know, thinking as lucky star as

968
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: that happened. But he goes to the combine runs a

969
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: four to seven, right, I mean, he's very unimpressive there.

970
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 1: So I don't know how you could possibly even use

971
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 1: a draft pick on this guy. He's a priority free agent,

972
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: a guy that you bring in the camp and I'll

973
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 1: be shocked that he makes a roster. Yeah, the times,

974
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 1: the times on him were had such a great junior season.

975
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 1: Four six nine is his speed thirty on the vertical jump.

976
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 1: And then you know when you look at his twenty shuttles,

977
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: they were four four seven four five three three cone

978
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 1: seven four three and seven four three twice. A matter

979
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: of fact, Yeah, he's gotten incredible size of six two

980
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 1: two twenty nine. But for a guy that got the

981
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: opportunity like he did, you know, to try and show people.

982
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,359
Speaker 1: It just showed you he was not committed to come

983
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: into the combine and being ready to go, and he should.

984
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 1: He could have wowed people. That's the combine is a

985
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 1: way to change people's opinions of you. And by his

986
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: measure pools and buy his workout, he showed, Hey, I

987
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 1: just wanted this is what I want to be, and

988
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: that's that's unfortunate. When you're talking about guys with these

989
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 1: character concerns, you know, you look at their history and

990
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 1: some For some guys it's one or two things you know,

991
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: out of character maybe, but with this guy, it goes

992
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 1: back to high school. It's one thing after another. He

993
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 1: was a juco guy before college, which, um right, Yeah,

994
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 1: that's unfortunate. He was a beast to watch in college,

995
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 1: small school special. This is a brand brought us suggestion.

996
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: Tell me more about David Perkins out of Illinois State,

997
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: former Buckeye, Ohio State Buckeye. You got you got anything

998
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 1: on Perkins? Is he a former buck Eye for the

999
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: same reason that Noah spenses now, he just wanted more

1000
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: playing time, so I'm transferred out. Yeah, you know, undersized

1001
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:52,879
Speaker 1: pass rusher, edge rusher. Uh, well, hey, who he can close? Yeah,

1002
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 1: he's got some closing bars to him. He's and he's

1003
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 1: an athlete. Um where did you where? Did what position

1004
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 1: do you project him best at? I put him. I

1005
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: put him as a defensive end. It's where I thought

1006
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 1: because I felt like that he could be that right

1007
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: side guy. I mean I was really you talk about

1008
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 1: the ability to close, and the and the tape and

1009
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: there was game. I mean they played Iowa and that

1010
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: that one opened my eyes. And I know Iowa. You know,

1011
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 1: you talk about Iowa offensive lineman and whatever. But I

1012
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 1: just the thing about him is that he he can

1013
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 1: make plays on the move. And I mean I'm just

1014
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 1: looking through my notes that stop start quickness, gets up

1015
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: the field, he could spin, he finds the ball, he

1016
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,800
Speaker 1: plays with leverage, He's relentless, he finishes, he has a

1017
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: feel on the twist. I mean he could split double teams.

1018
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 1: I saw that he's got the burst, the hands to

1019
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 1: get rid of blockers. This guy, I could see why

1020
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: he was at Ohio State. Now he's six two, two

1021
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: hundred two pounds and that's that's he's and he's at

1022
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: four seven six on the speed. But there's some pop

1023
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: in his hands. I mean, I'm I mean that he's

1024
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 1: playing on that right defensive end and he hits that

1025
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 1: Iowa left tackle and you see that his head snaps.

1026
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: I mean it's like snaps. He's got him, and then

1027
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: he's gone, and the plays going from the back and

1028
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: he's running. He's I talked about the twist. There's a

1029
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 1: reason why he was in Ohio State and then he

1030
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: ends up in Illinois State because he wants to play,

1031
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 1: and they don't let you go from Ohio State to

1032
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 1: Florida State and lets you graduate. Yeah, exactly. So keep

1033
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: an eye on David Perkins. There's the tape is very

1034
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 1: very good on him. All right. The listener suggestion, Okay,

1035
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: tell me more about Georgia Tech corner DJ White, three

1036
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 1: year starter. Yeah, he's a guy that I remember we

1037
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 1: watched him together, right, that's right. Um, when he was

1038
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 1: in press, when he got a chance to, you know,

1039
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 1: get up in the face of the wide receiver going

1040
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 1: his pedal, he looked very natural, right, he looked like

1041
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: he could do that with ease. But then when he's

1042
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:10,399
Speaker 1: playing off coverage, he looked like a fish out of water.

1043
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: And so I think there's a big, big difference it's

1044
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: like you were watching two different guys. The traits are there, Um,

1045
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 1: you know, I think he can be a cornerback that

1046
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: helps your depth. I don't think I don't see a starter. Yeah,

1047
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 1: I'm just going back. And he plays as a boundary corner,

1048
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: which means he uses the sideline to his advantage. He

1049
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 1: only has he has to play half the field, or

1050
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 1: really a quarter of the field. So that kind of

1051
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 1: tells you when they put somebody at the boundary corner,

1052
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 1: they're really not too comfortable with him having to carry

1053
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 1: guys and and going back. Dane's absolutely right, though. I

1054
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,280
Speaker 1: just see a guy who played with a lot of balance,

1055
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: you know, and he's when he pedaled. I thought he

1056
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 1: got overpowered at times. You know, he didn't always want

1057
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 1: to get in on the tackle, right. I just don't

1058
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 1: see much ketchup speed either. Was another thing that I noticed.

1059
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: They're about it so not good. You're telling me, Yeah,

1060
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 1: I just didn't. I didn't. I think Dane's got him right.

1061
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 1: But again, the thing about it is you get a

1062
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 1: guy that doesn't have much speed that plays in the boundary.

1063
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: I don't like anything you're saying. Yeah, he's a guy

1064
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 1: like when you say, well, when he does this, this

1065
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 1: and this, he's not bad. But the problem is he

1066
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: doesn't always play like that. He plays like another guy.

1067
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's hard. You know. I think he can draftable.

1068
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 1: He's draftable and I think he can feel I think

1069
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 1: I put him in the seventh round. Yeah, I think

1070
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 1: he can fill a spot, you know, in the secondary

1071
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: on death chart. But you know he's gonna have to

1072
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:33,479
Speaker 1: tweak some things in order to make a roster. Okay,

1073
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 1: we could do a whole segment on this guy, so

1074
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: we'll just be quick about it. But I don't tell me.

1075
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 1: I just want Yell's opinion on Vernon Adams. Yeah, I

1076
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 1: know exactly. Yeah, you know what, I was impressed with

1077
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 1: Vernon Adams's ability. I didn't think he had the ability.

1078
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: I didn't think he was gonna have the ability to

1079
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 1: throw a deep ball, and he can. He could. He

1080
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 1: could throw. I mean, I think he's got some deep

1081
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,919
Speaker 1: ball touch. The problem is, though he has to move

1082
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 1: around to make throws, and the guys in the league

1083
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 1: that are moving around making throws, He's gonna tear up

1084
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:06,799
Speaker 1: the CFL. That's how I think about it. Yeah, I mean,

1085
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna tear up the CFL, and I

1086
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,800
Speaker 1: think that he's that type of player. There are a

1087
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 1: lot of people that do like him, and it wouldn't

1088
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:16,399
Speaker 1: shock me if he goes as early as the fourth round, yeah,

1089
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 1: and fighting for the NFC West. It would make a

1090
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 1: lot of sense for teams that have to play Russell

1091
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:23,399
Speaker 1: Wilson twice a year, kind of get him a little look,

1092
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 1: get him in practice, and you know he can play

1093
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: fill that type of role. So I think Russell Vernon

1094
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 1: Adams in the mid rounds to an NFC West team,

1095
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: I could understand that. I tell you, the mobility is

1096
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 1: unbelievable ball handler mobility. Seeing him in the pocket, yeah,

1097
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 1: and seeing him up playing personal the Shrine game, I

1098
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 1: did appreciate that, but I also got so scared off

1099
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,879
Speaker 1: by his He's short, we know that, but his launch

1100
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 1: points so low. Yeah, that worries the heck does on

1101
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 1: the tapes we were watching though, the ball right Hash

1102
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 1: left sideline making his arm talent and the body armor too. Yeah,

1103
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 1: he's just he's just a smaller guy. And we talked about, well,

1104
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 1: when he was healthy, well that's kind of the point, right,

1105
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,839
Speaker 1: he was hurt multiple times at Oregon and even at

1106
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 1: Eastern Washington as FCS level your prediction if if fan

1107
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 1: favorite Jamil Showers can make a roster. Yeah, I'm not

1108
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:16,320
Speaker 1: gonna bet against this guy. Okay, thanks day for a

1109
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 1: I appreciate. Tell me more. Okay, Ken, I'm gonna turn

1110
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 1: the show over to you now. We got about five

1111
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 1: minutes left and I want to kind of bang through

1112
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 1: some calls here. By the way, folks, we're all doing

1113
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 1: great today. Thanks for being with us. And Ken, go ahead.

1114
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:28,720
Speaker 1: Who we got Yeah, we got one of my favorites,

1115
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 1: Rain fort Worth. Go ahead, Ray, Ray, Hey, can you

1116
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 1: talk about these two players? I like it running back?

1117
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,800
Speaker 1: I like, can you talk about Paul Perkins and and

1118
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 1: uh and I know Keith Marshall. Keith Marshall really handsome speed.

1119
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 1: What do you what do you think about those? I

1120
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 1: really love show? Okay, thanks Ray, Okay, we got Perkins.

1121
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 1: I think that you talk about Perkins to me, I

1122
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:51,320
Speaker 1: was expecting like a little guy and he's not a

1123
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 1: little guy. I mean, you watch more tape though, I

1124
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:56,280
Speaker 1: mean there's some times where you know he bangs around

1125
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 1: a little bit in there's a tough guy. But yeah,

1126
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:02,360
Speaker 1: I just I'll tell you what the patience speed or

1127
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: should be more quickness than speed. Carries the ball well,

1128
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 1: can catch the ball. I don't see many problems with

1129
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:11,320
Speaker 1: him though. He has a lot of creativity and runner

1130
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: and he has the instincts to make guys miss uh

1131
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 1: in small spaces, big spaces. The lack of a power

1132
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:21,280
Speaker 1: element bathers. I think that's my hang up with Paul Perkins.

1133
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: But I think he can absolutely play in this league.

1134
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 1: That's that's for sure. Social's the opposite for me on that. Yeah,

1135
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: I don't y'all. We talked about Marshall a week or two. Yeah,

1136
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 1: and I don't sixth round like special teamers. I just

1137
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 1: didn't see a guy that played explosive. Yeah. If he

1138
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 1: has a clear lane, yeah, well yeah, but running and

1139
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 1: finishing and being tough, he doesn't have the same type

1140
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 1: of feel. The contact balances him there. He's going down

1141
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 1: on first contact a lot. So yeah, I agree. And

1142
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:51,839
Speaker 1: the injury history, yeah has to scary? All right, can't

1143
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 1: Sam and san Antonio? Go ahead? Hey, guys, I'm gonna

1144
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 1: couple well one quick question too, Yeah, one quid question? Great?

1145
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:03,359
Speaker 1: Thanks you. So the first thing is, uh, I want

1146
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 1: to know if I feel like a defense has to

1147
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 1: be built from the you know, you want to be

1148
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 1: style of the middle of your defense on all three levels.

1149
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 1: And and we and right now, I feel like this

1150
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 1: team is avoid the playmakers on either side, with the

1151
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 1: exception of that Brian being the only exception on either

1152
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 1: side of the ball. I wanted to ask you and

1153
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 1: Miles jack Case, I like him as a as a playmaker,

1154
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 1: and what you thought about using him in a Troy

1155
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 1: Polamillo type role where he's actually and he gets to

1156
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 1: play inside the box quite quite a bit, and you

1157
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 1: can play games with him and utilize him as a

1158
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 1: as a real weapon. And I just want to get

1159
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 1: your thoughts about him and just about that aspect about

1160
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 1: building your your defense from the center all the way

1161
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 1: through the middle of your defense. Okay, thanks, I appreciate that. Yeah,

1162
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 1: kick the guy can play. I mean he's absolutely right.

1163
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 1: I mean, Troy Polamal is a guy in and out,

1164
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 1: I mean back. You know, wherever you wanted to play him,

1165
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 1: you could do that. This kid's got that kind of ability.

1166
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 1: I think he has the same I think he's got

1167
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 1: more He's probably he's got more speed right than not

1168
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 1: the same positions, but he has the same ability. Well,

1169
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 1: and I was Byron just in terms of where all

1170
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 1: the different places they could put him and all the

1171
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 1: different things he could do. I just hope wherever Miles

1172
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 1: Jack ends up, I hope he goes to a team

1173
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 1: that is creative with him. And that's you know, you

1174
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 1: look at different teams around the league. Some are some aren't.

1175
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 1: I think the team like the Arizona Cardinals, the way

1176
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 1: they use them Bikan and Tommy Matthew, they played to

1177
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 1: their strengths. I just hope wherever Miles Jack goes, they

1178
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 1: played to his strengths, whether it's a lineback or a

1179
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 1: hybrid version of whatever. So kind of worry that that

1180
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 1: wouldn't happen here. They seem so rigid with their structure

1181
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 1: sometimes I think I think they did move Byron a

1182
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 1: little bit last year with Byron yet but this is

1183
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 1: a very very you make a fair point, So you

1184
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 1: do make a fair point about that. I don't know,

1185
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 1: all right, kid, you got one more in yeah, last one?

1186
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 1: Shane in Ohio, Shane Ohio. Yes, I was climb to Jack.

1187
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 1: You'll see about two light round gyms. Doug Milson have

1188
00:58:55,880 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 1: a Appelachian state, and possibly Brian Poole back, I believe

1189
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 1: out of Florida. All right, thank you very much. Two

1190
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 1: solid players. Brian Pool played a nickel position for Florida

1191
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 1: corner safety Hybrid H surprise. He was invited to the

1192
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 1: combine because I thought he was a pretty good player.

1193
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 1: He was a Shrine game East West shrine game guy.

1194
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 1: I think he's borderline draft all late rounds. He's a

1195
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 1: solid player. Doug Middleton, I you know, just by looking

1196
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 1: at him, watching him on app state tape, I see

1197
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 1: an SEC player just by the look of I mean

1198
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 1: he physically looks the part, doesn't play the part. The

1199
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 1: angles all over the place. He'll come up and hit you,

1200
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 1: and when he connects, he connects. But the angles aren't

1201
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 1: always sound. Um. I questioned his vision what he's actually

1202
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 1: seeing out there at the instincts. So I think Doug

1203
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 1: Middleton's more of a p FA, a priority free agent

1204
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:48,439
Speaker 1: type of guy. But definitely someone will be in a camp. Yeah,

1205
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 1: but you saw an SEC type of people looks like

1206
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 1: it because physically striped together and he can move. But

1207
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 1: like I said, the angles aren't sound the instincts, I questioned,

1208
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 1: So more of an under Okay, well that's all the

1209
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 1: time we have today for the Draft Show. I want

1210
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 1: to thank our team here, Dame Burglar, David Hellman, Kent Garrison,

1211
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 1: Executive produce. I also want to thank Scott Purcell, Dave

1212
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 1: Burst and Blake Silverthorne for putting together the little bells

1213
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Speaker 1: and whistles that we have as part of the Draft Show.

1214
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Speaker 1: We'll be back next week from the SWBC Mortgage Studios.

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01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 1: Be twenty days until an NFL draft, so stay tuned

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01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 1: and we will see you then.