Speaker 1: Welcome to the Solid Verbal I'll that for me. I'm
Speaker 1: a man, I'm forty.
Speaker 2: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to
Speaker 2: be happy.
Speaker 1: You want to be happy for day Ado State? Is that?
Speaker 1: Whoo whoom? And Dan and Tye welcome back to the
Speaker 1: Solid Verbo boys and girls. My name is ty Hildebrand,
Speaker 1: joining me over there in New York City, My man,
Speaker 1: the one and only Dan Rubenstein. Sir, how are you? Ty?
Speaker 2: I have a proposal, and I didn't run this by
Speaker 2: you beforehand because I'm fifty percent owner of Solid Verbal
Speaker 2: Media LLC.
Speaker 1: Correct, Yes, I believe that's correct.
Speaker 2: Okay, fifty percent, And so I would like to offer,
Speaker 2: not necessarily and I do have a Saturday nickname, but
Speaker 2: not necessarily that I want to. I want to propose
Speaker 2: a general theme for a show this important, in which
Speaker 2: we preview Championship weekend. Okay, my thematic proposal is cleanliness.
Speaker 1: Cleanliness, cle Darryl Saturday.
Speaker 2: And you can probably already hear in my voice, but
Speaker 2: I just got out of the shower, okay, and I
Speaker 2: feel great. And that's where I think, Tie, that's where
Speaker 2: I washed just not just my body.
Speaker 1: But also my mind.
Speaker 2: Sure clans where I really yes, sure, And so that
Speaker 2: to me is going to be at least my half
Speaker 2: of the show in terms of theme cleanliness, what are
Speaker 2: teams doing, what are teams not doing? And I just
Speaker 2: for a show this special, I feel like we have
Speaker 2: to really focus on where we want to go. And
Speaker 2: I also do have a Saturday nickname proposal, but we
Speaker 2: can get into that in a moment. But I just
Speaker 2: wanted to put that into your mind and into listeners'
Speaker 2: minds right off the top, because also, it's a December
Speaker 2: to remember.
Speaker 1: Tie, It's always a December to remember. Very soothing to
Speaker 1: play that background track here as we get into the
Speaker 1: month of December. Now, of course we're talking about all
Speaker 1: things Conference championships. Yeah, yeah, that's what we got going
Speaker 1: on this weekend. We've got ten of them that we're
Speaker 1: going to go through, some a little bit more deeply
Speaker 1: than others. But a last we've got Power five Games.
Speaker 1: We've got a group of five games. Thank you for
Speaker 1: coming back to the show, for downloading, and for embarking
Speaker 1: on this one final weekly preview show for the twenty
Speaker 1: nineteen season. Can you believe it? Oh my god?
Speaker 2: So the final one this season actually flew by some
Speaker 2: seasons crawl. This one was a flyer, and it's a
Speaker 2: bit of a bummer to me because we had some
Speaker 2: really fun weeks.
Speaker 1: We had some really fun weeks.
Speaker 2: And now ahead of what shampoo Saturday, she watched away
Speaker 2: the Pretenders.
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Speaker 1: Did I get that address? Correct? You got it? You
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he nailed everything, and we should probably
Speaker 2: start talking about branding the weekend, start talking about our thoughts.
Speaker 2: I know you wanted to break down you specifically earmarked
Speaker 2: your UAB linebacker depth thoughts.
Speaker 1: I'm ready for everything. Well, let's start here. Okay. I'm
Speaker 1: not going to yell breaking news in that high pitched
Speaker 1: tone that I normally do because say it in German
Speaker 1: if you mean it, I'm not going to go there
Speaker 1: because I want to try and preserve these pipes. I'm
Speaker 1: excited for the show. If it is our final weekly
Speaker 1: preview show of the calendar year, I need to bring
Speaker 1: it for the full sixty minutes. That is true. Let's
Speaker 1: start here. Clay Helton reportedly, according to our friend Bruce
Speaker 1: Felman from The Athletic in Fox Sports, he will be retained.
Speaker 1: He is staying at USC, which comes, as I guess,
Speaker 1: a bit of a surprise, you know, eight and four.
Speaker 1: I think it's the final tality for USC. We talked
Speaker 1: before the sea in that nine wins maybe was the cutoff.
Speaker 1: But it seems to be a situation, if I have
Speaker 1: read the tea leaves correctly, where USC was looking around,
Speaker 1: they were setting their sites very high on Urban Meyer,
Speaker 1: on guys like Bob Stoops. Clearly, if they could have
Speaker 1: gotten one of those guys, Clayhelton would no longer be
Speaker 1: the coach. But it seems as if the top rung
Speaker 1: guys that they may have pursued were not available, slash,
Speaker 1: not interested, and rather than make a change and go
Speaker 1: to someone else that they were unsure of, they decided
Speaker 1: that they would stick with Clay Hilton.
Speaker 2: Right when So who knows because nothing official has come
Speaker 2: out that is, I mean, what the quote is that
Speaker 2: Bruce said was what that they're leaning or that's he's
Speaker 2: reportedly that's going in that direction. So there's nothing absolute.
Speaker 2: There's no release from USC. Which is also a weird
Speaker 2: thing to release. Right, You're like, yeah, so our coach
Speaker 2: is still the coach.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like when they pick a pope and nope,
Speaker 1: they're still in conclave, right exactly. So there is no thing,
Speaker 1: I guess an official from the school. And there was
Speaker 1: rumors of, you know, the always fun coaching search season
Speaker 1: emergency meeting. We are going to be monitoring at least
Speaker 1: during this show. Oh yes, perfect, whether or not there
Speaker 1: is an actual emergency meeting and what comes of it.
Speaker 1: They're obviously a lot of things to go around, blame
Speaker 1: wise with USC in terms of recruiting has fallen off.
Speaker 1: That's not great. Attendance has fallen off, defense at times
Speaker 1: has fallen off in big games. They have aspirations of
Speaker 1: being a double digit win team year in and year out,
Speaker 1: and I think that's pretty reasonable. I you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know what can be done in terms off It's
Speaker 1: a it's a money thing, is why they're retaining Clay Helton.
Speaker 1: The continuity thing, a maturity at the top thing, which
Speaker 1: they haven't always had. I get all of those reasons,
Speaker 1: but if you can't find a guy who you definitely
Speaker 1: think is better, it's a tough spot. I don't envy
Speaker 1: the USC administration, and I certainly don't envy and I
Speaker 1: absolutely relate to frustrated USC fans who think that should
Speaker 1: be rooting for a better team. So tough situation. I
Speaker 1: don't know who they can get if they do move
Speaker 1: on from Helton. But in like, I don't know if
Speaker 1: you fire Clancy Pendergast and try to start over there,
Speaker 1: I don't know how you retain Graham Harrell if Texas
Speaker 1: is coming hard after him and he's from the state.
Speaker 1: So it's a pretty topsy turvy situation. And I tweeted
Speaker 1: this last night. I just love USC coaching mill rumor season.
Speaker 1: It's just it's delightful.
Speaker 2: It's great because there are so many there's so much
Speaker 2: misinformation out there, but I just I like bathing in
Speaker 2: all of it as a college football fan. So hopefully
Speaker 2: everything gets squared away to everybody's liking eventually, because USC
Speaker 2: being good tends to be good for the sport. But yeah,
Speaker 2: nothing absolute at the time, we're recording.
Speaker 1: Nothing. At time of recording, this show drops six am
Speaker 1: Eastern Time on Thursday morning, which means by about ten
Speaker 1: thirty we're gonna find out that he got fired. Yeah,
Speaker 1: h of course that's okay, because we'll do a show
Speaker 1: and talk about our thoughts about you know, why they
Speaker 1: moved on and what we think Jack del Rio can
Speaker 1: do in LA Also exactly pertinent response type topic. So
Speaker 1: if you get any updates on that super secret emergency meeting, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll break in and we'll we'll play a real talk
Speaker 1: sound okay, okay? Yes. Elsewhere, the recently fired Willly Taggart
Speaker 1: is apparently mixing it up with USF, a former suitor.
Speaker 1: The quote here that I've got on my sheet is
Speaker 1: I've learned representatives of USF have been in contact with
Speaker 1: former Bulls coach Willy Taggart regarding his old job. Taggart
Speaker 1: badly wants a second act in Tampa, willing to commit
Speaker 1: in writing that he's in it for the long haul.
Speaker 2: I think it's the Tampa Bay Times deserves the credit
Speaker 2: for that report, and I suppose it makes sense. Sometimes
Speaker 2: coming home is the best move after all.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And by the way, you can set your way to
Speaker 2: the tweet welcome home, oh coach reader, the Greg Shanna,
Speaker 2: welcome home to Rutgers, Welcome home Mac Brown, North Carolina.
Speaker 1: I made that joke on the Fantasy Thing show Scott
Speaker 1: Frost right, Welcome Home. The Welcome Home Thing is a
Speaker 1: personal favorite.
Speaker 2: Willie Taggart certainly had USF peaking as a double digit
Speaker 2: win team before he left for Oregon, so perhaps it
Speaker 2: makes sense and he would just be happy to have
Speaker 2: a head coaching job at least in a pretty big conference.
Speaker 2: So good for there. Willie Fritz another Willy and head
Speaker 2: coaching rumors speaking with both Arkansas and MISSOO about their openings.
Speaker 2: I just saw Mike Bobo. They were very careful about
Speaker 2: the way they described it was a mutual separation, like
Speaker 2: the Gwyneth Paltrow Chris Martin well conscious decoupling. That was
Speaker 2: a conscious So Mike Bobo and Colorado State have consciously decoupled,
Speaker 2: and so Colorado State will now be in the market,
Speaker 2: joining UNLV in the in the Mountain West. We've had
Speaker 2: some draft declarations. TI, Oh, it's that season and I
Speaker 2: don't know if you have Mike Bobo thoughts. I apologize
Speaker 2: for skimming over that.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: No, ygm very terrifically talented pass rusher for Penn State.
Speaker 2: Isaiah Hodgens Oregon State receiver JJ Taylor at Arizona. This small, little,
Speaker 2: very quick back Leavis.
Speaker 1: Skty let me Scottiska for Colorado.
Speaker 2: The crazy talented receiver, Anthony McFarland, Jalen Reger, and Big
Speaker 2: albert O are the headliners at the time we're recording this.
Speaker 2: Do you have any thoughts about any of those early
Speaker 2: declarations and if any of them are dramatic losses for
Speaker 2: those teams?
Speaker 1: And we have confirmed that Anthony McFarlane is not Booger's son,
Speaker 1: correct confirmed confirmed confirmed? Okay, No, I mean I figured ye,
Speaker 1: Tor gross Matos would go pro for Penn State, and
Speaker 1: Laviskus Channault figures to be a first round talent. Real
Speaker 1: curious to see about a guy like Jalen Reger mm HM,
Speaker 1: who we've been really high on. And Anthony McFarland. You know,
Speaker 1: he bursts onto the scene and has I think been
Speaker 1: pretty good in his short time Maryland. So curious to
Speaker 1: see what the next level may have in store for him.
Speaker 2: Ran all over Ohio State last year and then otherwise.
Speaker 2: Felipe Franks I think we talked about maybe we didn't
Speaker 2: is exploring his options both in the transfer portal and
Speaker 2: his draft options.
Speaker 1: I think does he have draft options you think.
Speaker 2: It's It appears to be a pretty good draft year
Speaker 2: for quarterbacks, so I don't know if it looks great
Speaker 2: in that arena. Also, Jake Bentley staying in the SEC East.
Speaker 2: He has declared his intention at least has entered the
Speaker 2: transfer portals. He's looking around to see what's out there
Speaker 2: in terms of quarterback needs. I don't know if there's
Speaker 2: any other administrative things to hit on. I'm monitoring the
Speaker 2: Clay Helton Twitter search. Nothing's really popping up at the moment.
Speaker 1: Okay, I got the soundarady, let me know.
Speaker 2: I'm seeing right now, a fake Missoo account is tweeting
Speaker 2: do you want to know what the fake Mizoo coach?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: I think the redditsb Twitter account fell for it. So
Speaker 2: Miszoo Football probably with eyes for L's Jim McLane is
Speaker 2: the fake thirty third head coach at Miszoo.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Got to click the links, people, You gotta click
Speaker 1: the links. All right, Well, that's it, keep us posting
Speaker 1: what's going on out there in the Twitter sphere. Dan,
Speaker 1: Let's get the games, Damne. It is conference championship week.
Speaker 1: We got a bunch of games here that we want
Speaker 1: to get through. Have you given much thought to how
Speaker 1: we are branding our final Saturday court. Do you want
Speaker 1: to do this or do you want to do a
Speaker 1: window of Opportunity first? I want to do this because
Speaker 1: I need more time to think about the week opportunity.
Speaker 1: That's okay, that's okay.
Speaker 2: So obviously, if I'm going with a theme of cleanliness,
Speaker 2: I think it's both of cleanliness of body, of mind
Speaker 2: of attitude, which I guess fits in with mind. And
Speaker 2: I'm probably going to offend people by saying that, because clely,
Speaker 2: this of mind is a kind of a loaded phrasing. Sure,
Speaker 2: but there is a chemical tie that your nerve cells
Speaker 2: produce that regulates so much in your body. And whyline
Speaker 2: dot com lie to me, this is magic school bus
Speaker 2: going inside the body. Right here we are We absolutely
Speaker 2: are so just in talking about reducing depression, regulating anxiety,
Speaker 2: healing wounds, stimulating nausea, Serotonin Saturday sarahtone in Saturday Tie
Speaker 2: maintains your bone health. I'm talking about people getting good
Speaker 2: night's sleep. Serotonin affects that diet. Serotonin affects that libido.
Speaker 2: How aroused are you to run that extra yard tie
Speaker 2: push forward?
Speaker 1: Uh? See, people take don't people take serotonin to go
Speaker 1: to sleep. I think you're thinking of melody. Oh that's melatonin, yeah,
Speaker 1: melot yes, correctly, yeah, Okay. It can help in your
Speaker 1: your deuces tie, it can help with your sleep, your
Speaker 1: blood clotting, your bone health. Because everything needs to come together.
Speaker 1: And I'm even talking about for Clemson, who is what
Speaker 1: a twenty eight point favorite? You know, I still think
Speaker 1: there's a there's a certain part of Clemson that if
Speaker 1: they're going to separate themselves from I think we can agree.
Speaker 2: Pretty decent Virginia team. Sure, it's all got to come together.
Speaker 2: And if everything's coming together, you gotta have saratonin at
Speaker 2: the wheel.
Speaker 1: Not a sponsor, not a sponsor. No, I have that
Speaker 1: your nerve cells produced, not a sponsor. I have Savor
Speaker 1: the flavor Saturday. Okay. Being so it's our final Saturday,
Speaker 1: and it's pretty good after this. I mean, you have
Speaker 1: Bowl games, you'll playoffs and all that, but it sort
Speaker 1: of won't be the same for a full eight or
Speaker 1: nine months. I've got shock Me Saturday, Oh, which is
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not trying to be like sadistic here,
Speaker 1: but shock Me Saturday. I'm looking at these games and
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out, Okay, are there any shockers
Speaker 1: out there? Are there any games? As a college football fan,
Speaker 1: as someone who has long been a proponent of as
Speaker 1: much chaos as possible, I need that. I need that shocker.
Speaker 2: I don't see any game, and I'm including every single
Speaker 2: FBS conference. Do you see any game in which there
Speaker 2: is a spread of five or fewer points? No, Chicago
Speaker 2: Chain super Dog Saturday, because we could lean into the
Speaker 2: yakos and just give regional hot dog places shout outs
Speaker 2: super Dog Saturday. Super Dog is not the superdog. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna roll with Serotonin Saturday. You can do what you want.
Speaker 1: The only other one that I had here was Selena Saturday,
Speaker 1: and that's because I sent you with Selena Gomez YouTube
Speaker 1: clip before we connect it up here. But I don't
Speaker 1: know if that one really applies in the way of
Speaker 1: shock me Saturday. Right.
Speaker 2: Also, again, I want to clarify because I am a
Speaker 2: very stupid person. Serotonin, uh is a good thing, it seems.
Speaker 2: And when I say cleanless cleanliness of mind, if you're
Speaker 2: a little off in your mind, that's cool, doesn't mean
Speaker 2: you're unclean. I just am reading from healthline dot.
Speaker 1: Com, all right, fair enough important disclaimer. Thank you, okay,
Speaker 1: thank you for getting that in there. Yeah, window of
Speaker 1: opportunity last one before the whole damn thing is a
Speaker 1: window of opportunity. Yes, I don't really know how I
Speaker 1: feel about this. I am looking at some of these
Speaker 1: games here, and I'm feeling an awful lot like the
Speaker 1: weakest link is probably the Virginia Clemson game. The problem
Speaker 1: is that that's at the same time as Ohio State Wisconsin. Right,
Speaker 1: there is no window. I don't know if there's a window.
Speaker 2: I don't see a damn window. This is a cheap
Speaker 2: New York apartment that you're going to have to hang
Speaker 2: up one of those fake skylight things to make it
Speaker 2: seem like you're not going insane.
Speaker 1: I don't know there's a window here. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: the window is the wall. And again listen after this.
Speaker 1: The whole damn thing is a window of opportunity. Go
Speaker 1: see cats. You can actually go see cats again.
Speaker 2: Have you heard knives Out? I've heard amazing things about
Speaker 2: knives Out. No, I'm gonna go see that, I hope.
Speaker 2: Go see whatever you want.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but give yourself this Saturday, even this Friday, if
Speaker 1: you're really into it. No, window of opportunity this week,
Speaker 1: you're ready to dive in here. Well, if you're if
Speaker 1: you're on the West coast, you got what a five
Speaker 1: pm kick? Yeah? Sure, still, you got late dinner. You're
Speaker 1: good to go. The Doctor Pepper Big twelve Championship game.
Speaker 1: They're gonna be doing the tuition throw here. There're gonna
Speaker 1: be multiple tuition throws this weeks past. Kids, we will
Speaker 1: be doing a full breakdown on the Sunday Show. I
Speaker 1: have recommitted myself to the tuition throw controversy. This one
Speaker 1: is at high noon on Saturday. It's on ABC. It
Speaker 1: is eleven and one Bailer. It is eleven and one Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: The Sooners are an eight point favorite. You may recall
Speaker 1: this is a rematch from about three weeks ago. That
Speaker 1: was the game Bayler probably should have could have maybe
Speaker 1: won after a really start. Also the same game where
Speaker 1: Oklahoma came all the way back and won thirty four
Speaker 1: to thirty one in Waco, a real heartbreaker for the
Speaker 1: Baylor Bears. So this is a real opportunity for Baylor
Speaker 1: to get that sweet redemption if they won it, and
Speaker 1: for both teams. Of course, there are playoff implications. I
Speaker 1: think they both need some help, but it's certainly on
Speaker 1: the table for both, is it not? Absolutely? I mean,
Speaker 1: we can talk about the latest rankings, I suppose I'd
Speaker 1: rather just talk about these games. Yes, an enormous game.
Speaker 1: I'm actually pretty excited by this game. And one of
Speaker 1: the things that we've talked about is how many points
Speaker 1: will it take to beat blank Sure we know exactly
Speaker 1: how many points it takes for Baylor to beat Oklahoma
Speaker 1: thirty five? How many did they give up last time
Speaker 1: at home? Thirty four?
Speaker 2: Takes thirty five to beat Oklahoma, especially now on a
Speaker 2: neutral side field at Jerry World. And Oklahoma, for their
Speaker 2: part this year, they've really done a good job improving
Speaker 2: their past defense, and I guess they probably should have
Speaker 2: considering this year's crop of big twelve quarterbacks as a whole.
Speaker 2: And it seems like the Sooners should win if they're
Speaker 2: able to keep it what's the theme clean, If they
Speaker 2: are able to avoid turnovers and play relatively disciplined, it's
Speaker 2: going to be very difficult for Baylor to score thirty
Speaker 2: five points, even in a revenge spot.
Speaker 1: They'll probably need to run.
Speaker 2: The ball pretty successfully, much better than they did in
Speaker 2: the second half the first time they played, Probably get
Speaker 2: some turnover luck. And here's the thing. If it takes
Speaker 2: thirty five to beat the Sooners, how many times you
Speaker 2: don't have this at the top of your head. Probably
Speaker 2: did Baylor score thirty five against a pretty decent Big
Speaker 2: twelve team? The answer is once, Yeah, they scored it
Speaker 2: against Oklahoma State, and that's not how they beat teams.
Speaker 2: And the defense has been a luxury and that they
Speaker 2: haven't needed to score a ton of points. But man
Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley offense, even with the topsy turfiness. That's today's
Speaker 2: phrase of Jalen Hurts. I have it thirty to twenty
Speaker 2: seven Oklahomas. I'm gonna take take the points there. I
Speaker 2: think Baylor covers the defense is too good to be
Speaker 2: separated from, but I think the Sooners take it.
Speaker 1: I think you're right to mention some of the defensive
Speaker 1: improvements that Oklahoma's made. But have you noticed we haven't
Speaker 1: really talked much about Alex Grinch since late October? Right,
Speaker 1: and this defense hasn't played as well since that case
Speaker 1: State lost In the last few games, they've gotten their
Speaker 1: act back together here, but well, they didn't play that
Speaker 1: well against kse State. Well they certainly didn't play that
Speaker 1: well against k State, but there have been moments here
Speaker 1: that have caused me to question the I don't know
Speaker 1: validity of that defense, let's.
Speaker 2: Say, but if you can hang around and you're not
Speaker 2: forced to throw from behind, right, you can sure really
Speaker 2: interesting things on the ground against Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: There's a path. There's absolutely a path. My point here
Speaker 1: with the defense is, I don't know if that's an
Speaker 1: issue here. Even if they should have lost that first game,
Speaker 1: they did come back and win, and the defense came
Speaker 1: up big in the second half half of that game.
Speaker 1: So it's just kind of a maybe a factoid that
Speaker 1: would only interest Tom Hammond, but something that I've been
Speaker 1: paying attention to over the last couple of weeks. I
Speaker 1: do think Oklahoma is a better team here. I just
Speaker 1: think that eight's a lot of points. So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say Baylor plus eight maybe something like thirty eight thirty
Speaker 1: one Oklahoma. The concern, man, is Thatler's defense giving up
Speaker 1: nearly forty. They gave up field, they gave up thirty four.
Speaker 1: I know they gave up three what in in the
Speaker 1: first half, they gave up thirty four counts. I know
Speaker 1: they did that. The concern here though, from a point
Speaker 1: spread standpoint, is especially if you're betting Baylor plus eight.
Speaker 1: Whoever wins this game has to try and do it
Speaker 1: with as many style points as possible correct, and I
Speaker 1: think that makes for a lot of front door cover potential.
Speaker 2: Oh sorry, doggies. Also, it should be noted that in
Speaker 2: that first game, as this is to your point, Ceedee,
Speaker 2: Lamb didn't play for Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: No, he did. It seems like a difference maker. I
Speaker 1: would agree with that. I would agree with that, So
Speaker 1: we agree. Yeah, I think there's a lot we agree
Speaker 1: on here. I'm also going to take those points. I'm
Speaker 1: on the fence though. I'm on the fence, and it
Speaker 1: does feel like the kind of game where Oklahoma could
Speaker 1: get up and try to run away with it and
Speaker 1: try to lay it on as thick as they can.
Speaker 2: I think you're right and throw chess passes. Kids get money,
Speaker 2: however you can. College is expensive. Don't listen to Tie.
Speaker 2: Tie would throw chess passes if put in that opportunity
Speaker 2: he needs.
Speaker 1: Cash, he probably would wouldn't I of course, if it's quicker,
Speaker 1: I probably would. I don't like you're watching it, but
Speaker 1: if I'm in that situation, and I could win.
Speaker 2: It if any of Tye, if any of your if
Speaker 2: any of your three kids were on the field and
Speaker 2: not throwing a chess pass ended up costing.
Speaker 1: You an extra hundred grand. Sure have you talked about
Speaker 1: your kids on the show yet? No? Not yet. Okay,
Speaker 1: you would kind of be furious. I would have a
Speaker 1: hard time with that. Yeah, yeah, no, Okay, the rent
Speaker 1: would go up. Okay, I'm glad we agree on everything. Now.
Speaker 1: SEC Championship game. This one's at four pm on Saturday.
Speaker 1: It's on CBS. It's eleven and one Georgia, It's twelve
Speaker 1: and o LSU. The Bayou Bengals are a seven and
Speaker 1: one half point favorite. They didn't play during the regular season.
Speaker 1: They played this one in Atlanta, so it's sort of
Speaker 1: a home game for the George Bulldogs. Would you agree
Speaker 1: that this game is our best chance for an upset
Speaker 1: this weekend? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean upset in quotes, right. It's number It's two
Speaker 2: top four teams playing. I don't know what they'll end
Speaker 2: up after the fact, but yeah, I suppose Georgia in
Speaker 2: Atlanta in a dome. I mean's fast track for LSU
Speaker 2: has a very good shot at winning this game. But
Speaker 2: they're a touchdown dog here there, a dog is a dog. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think I think this is the best chance for upset.
Speaker 2: I took a while with this one. It was at
Speaker 2: what seven and a half eight points? It came down
Speaker 2: to seven.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have this as a push to you. Really. Yeah.
Speaker 2: What I do a lot of the time is I
Speaker 2: don't look at the spread and I just think about
Speaker 2: what I think the final score will be. If I
Speaker 2: had to go one direction or the other, I think
Speaker 2: I would probably take Georgia to cover this, But I
Speaker 2: have LSU winning either way. Their offense, as we've seen
Speaker 2: all year, incredible, amazing. I think the biggest concern with
Speaker 2: the Tigers from time to time has been their run defense,
Speaker 2: especially if we're comparing it to what the Georgia offense
Speaker 2: can or can't do down I guess a receiver and
Speaker 2: a half since George Pickens is suspended for the first half.
Speaker 2: Not a lot of firepower from Georgia in the passing game,
Speaker 2: at least creatively, there isn't. LSU's defense has played pretty
Speaker 2: well against the run. They did a decent enough job
Speaker 2: against Alabama. We saw them completely hold down Texas A
Speaker 2: and m and it was all missed running a different
Speaker 2: style offense that really succeeded, and Georgia won't be running
Speaker 2: that style. So if we're really going to reduce it,
Speaker 2: it's stopped DeAndre Swift. A beat up DeAndre Swift and win.
Speaker 2: But that's easier said than done, ty. So on the
Speaker 2: Georgia side, to me, their defense is clearly great with
Speaker 2: the caveat The best quarterback they've played is almost assuredly
Speaker 2: Kyle Trask, right, definitely, and they did a pretty good
Speaker 2: job against him. But they really haven't been tested by
Speaker 2: a top flight quarterback, so we really don't know how
Speaker 2: they respond in the face of a killer offense. So
Speaker 2: I guess you got to score thirty to beat LSU,
Speaker 2: and that seems like a lot for this Georgia team,
Speaker 2: which hasn't really gotten there against good teams. So I
Speaker 2: originally twenty seven to twenty, I guess I can make
Speaker 2: a twenty seven to twenty one Tigers very cleanly get
Speaker 2: into the playoff.
Speaker 1: I am also taking the points here. George is really
Speaker 1: good against the pass. I don't think they're outright stopping
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow because no one's done that, right, But can
Speaker 1: they curtail him. Yeah, I think they can, Oh my gosh, yeah,
Speaker 1: of course. And because they are so shorthanded out wide,
Speaker 1: it wouldn't surprise me at all if they just try
Speaker 1: to run clock and they take the air out of
Speaker 1: the ball. They play that ugly sec man ball that
Speaker 1: we came to love or hate at Alabama over the years.
Speaker 1: But it's kind of their style, you know, in SEC
Speaker 1: play this year, their first in time of possession. It
Speaker 1: does sound like, thankfully DeAndre Swift is okay and he's
Speaker 1: gonna play here. We already talked about it being sort
Speaker 1: of a home game in Atlanta. I just it feels
Speaker 1: to me like there's a lot to like about Georgia here.
Speaker 1: I too, am very concerned about offensive firepower. That's been
Speaker 1: a recurring theme so far this year. And I certainly
Speaker 1: don't think that they can win in a shootout with LSU.
Speaker 1: But can they muddy it up? Has Georgia played in
Speaker 1: a shootout this year? I don't know. I don't think
Speaker 1: they have. Can Georgia muddy it up? Can they make
Speaker 1: it an ugly game? I think they can? And I'm
Speaker 1: getting a little nuts here, but I've Georgia twenty eight
Speaker 1: twenty seven.
Speaker 2: Wow, okay, And have you softened it all on your
Speaker 2: thoughts of LSU being in. No matter what happens in
Speaker 2: this game, this game means nothing. LSU might as well
Speaker 2: start their third stringers. Have I thought more about it? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean we had this discussion. I sort of put
Speaker 2: you on the spots. Sometimes you need a little bit
Speaker 2: more time to meditate on things and maybe change your position.
Speaker 1: I certainly can. If it's twenty eight twenty seven, I
Speaker 1: think they get in.
Speaker 2: If it's twenty eight twenty seven, LSU, it does not
Speaker 2: matter what happens in this game, they're in.
Speaker 1: Yes. Agree.
Speaker 2: And if Oklahoma just blows the doors off of a
Speaker 2: really good Baylor team doesn't matter to you.
Speaker 1: I mean it matters to me. I don't want to
Speaker 1: go make it. I mean it doesn't matter to you.
Speaker 1: In terms of LSU's positioning in this I think LSU
Speaker 1: teams in because at that point, Dan, at that point,
Speaker 1: when you are comparing teams, you're comparing the body of
Speaker 1: work over the full year.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, it's very difficult to compare bodies of work.
Speaker 2: It's it's also like how they win. You know what
Speaker 2: the actual scenario is. When I think it's important.
Speaker 1: But if it's one v one v one, if we're
Speaker 1: talking about LSU against Utah against Oklahoma, I'm taking LSU
Speaker 1: la losing to Georgia. I'm taking ls's loss to Georgia
Speaker 1: over Utah's loss over Oklahoma's loss.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that renders the game meaningless then it would.
Speaker 2: And I'm not just I can't get behind a college
Speaker 2: football even if that's a reality in which I live
Speaker 2: and you live and everybody listening to this lives. I'm
Speaker 2: just not going to say I'm on board with it
Speaker 2: fair I am. I am completely out, and I would
Speaker 2: put either one of the conference champions, not necessarily because
Speaker 2: they're conference champions, but because they won. Right now as
Speaker 2: a fully formed team, we have what twelve data points
Speaker 2: on all of these teams, and LSU has an opportunity
Speaker 2: to beat a playoff team and firmly establish themselves as
Speaker 2: a top four team, and they lose on a neutral field.
Speaker 2: I don't understand why that earns them a do over,
Speaker 2: and we don't get to see if Oklahoma or Utah
Speaker 2: is able to beat Georgia. I'm not I'm out on it.
Speaker 1: It's two different trains of thought for sure, we could
Speaker 1: do a full podcast on this, but I think we
Speaker 1: are in agreement that we're both taking the points. Though,
Speaker 1: yes we agree. As far as I can tell, no
Speaker 1: Georgia game would qualify as a shootout, and that's good
Speaker 1: credit much credit to their defense. The ACC Championship game
Speaker 1: play this one in Charlotte. It is seven point thirty
Speaker 1: Saturday evening on ABC. It is the nine to three
Speaker 1: Virginia Cavaliers. It is the twelve and zero Clemson Tigers.
Speaker 1: The points spread here is a meaty twenty eight and
Speaker 1: a half points, obviously in favor of your defending national champions.
Speaker 1: These two teams last played back in twenty thirteen during
Speaker 1: the ballyhooed Mike London era. Dan Sure, Clemson won that
Speaker 1: game fifty nine to ten. Okay, So to say that
Speaker 1: it's a bit of a revenge spot for or Virginia
Speaker 1: might be a bit of a stretch, but isn't entirely off.
Speaker 1: I struggled with what I want to say about this game. Oh,
Speaker 1: keep it clean, tie, that's the theme. They're kids listening.
Speaker 1: I have a hard time breaking this one down because
Speaker 1: it feels like so much of a foregone conclusion. I
Speaker 1: really like Bryce Perkins, he's certainly not good enough to
Speaker 1: do it on his own against the really good Clemson defense.
Speaker 1: I like the UVA defense, but not enough to really
Speaker 1: hold down Trevor Lawrence and all the weapons that he has.
Speaker 1: On the Clemson side, they are clearly the better football team.
Speaker 1: M UVA is. I guess you could argue legitimately the
Speaker 1: second best team that they've played all year. So maybe
Speaker 1: there's something there. But I really struggled with trying to
Speaker 1: put together like why Sam Clemson played I guess Texas
Speaker 1: A and m Okay, I'm just curious. I really struggled
Speaker 1: with thoughtful commentary that could actually advance to discussion on
Speaker 1: the a SEC Championship game.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, first of all, I think North Carolina probably
Speaker 2: is because they got within one, and that automatically does
Speaker 2: it for me. Before I talk about this game and
Speaker 2: address all of those comments, can you play the breaking
Speaker 2: news sound?
Speaker 1: I can. Don't tell me Clay Hilton got fired because
Speaker 1: this will already be news to everybody listening. It's for
Speaker 1: you and me. Mike Bone, USC athletic director verified account
Speaker 1: just tweeted out, I'm pleased to let you know Coach
Speaker 1: Helton will continue to be our head coach. Yes, we
Speaker 1: got one right. His commitment to our student athletes and
Speaker 1: to leading with integrity. Oh interesting? Interesting? What is he
Speaker 1: saying with that.
Speaker 2: Is vital to restoring our championship program, which is the
Speaker 2: goal for all of our teams. So far, it has
Speaker 2: two hundred and seven retweets and eight hundred plus replies,
Speaker 2: So Mike Bon's getting ratio a ratio situation. We'll see
Speaker 2: what happens with the assistant situation and how they perhaps
Speaker 2: will attempt to improve and add to and adjust and
Speaker 2: tweak and overhaul the USC program under Clay Helton.
Speaker 1: I understand the move, it is still somewhat surprising.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, the ACC Championship game. So you're right, it
Speaker 2: is very hard to figure out how this is a
Speaker 2: competitive game for as good as Bryce Perkins as a
Speaker 2: do everything talent, and he's probably the best do everything
Speaker 2: quarterback Clemson will face this year. Sam Howell might be
Speaker 2: the best thrower, but in terms of somebody who can
Speaker 2: take over a game, that's Bryce Perkins. Unfortunately, I think
Speaker 2: he is really good at times and okay other times,
Speaker 2: and his ceiling is just not what somebody like Johnny
Speaker 2: Manzel or Cam Newton or somebody like that who can
Speaker 2: just be an all purpose quarterback and take over a
Speaker 2: game in a huge spot against a very good team.
Speaker 2: So if Virginia is going to hang around, if they're
Speaker 2: going to make this a game, it's gonna take Bryce Perkins.
Speaker 2: It's going to take probably a pick six, It's probably
Speaker 2: gonna take a kick return for a touchdown.
Speaker 1: Luckily, they might have the best kick returner in the country. Hi,
Speaker 1: Joe Reid, Hi, nice to see you. The problem is
Speaker 1: away from from Whoville, Array, away from Charlottesville. Bryce Perkins
Speaker 1: sort of takes a dip away from home, and it's
Speaker 1: not far to Charlotte. But this Clemson defense is just absurd,
Speaker 1: especially against the pass, especially throwing the ball, and Virginia's
Speaker 1: beat up in their secondary. So I would expect success
Speaker 1: both deep and turning small passes into big passes for Clemson.
Speaker 1: And I didn't see the spread before I.
Speaker 2: Came up with the score. I have it thirty five
Speaker 2: to ten Clemson, So I guess Virginia covers Array.
Speaker 1: It feels like a lot of points, doesn't it. It does,
Speaker 1: she doesn't feel like many points.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And also, and I don't know how much I
Speaker 2: believe this, But if this is the cliched conventional, Clemson
Speaker 2: doesn't want to put too much on film ahead of
Speaker 2: a potential playoff matchup, so you could see them not
Speaker 2: wanting to get somebody hurt. If they're way ahead in
Speaker 2: this game'd be great if it were competitive late, but
Speaker 2: I think the breaks will be on, especially in light
Speaker 2: of Dabbo.
Speaker 1: Saying how good the ACC is. Right, there's that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean the one game that keeps bouncing around in
Speaker 1: my mind is Clemson losing to Miami seventeen to nine
Speaker 1: or something like they didn't even score. I mean Virginia
Speaker 1: losing Virginia Sorry, yeah, Virginia losing on the road at
Speaker 1: Miami seventeen to nine. Yeah, that was the final score.
Speaker 1: They look really bad in that game. And I just
Speaker 1: don't know what happens when you go up against clearly
Speaker 1: the best defense you've faced all year. Right, So I
Speaker 1: think it's right on that number. I think it's something
Speaker 1: like forty nine to ten, forty nine to seventeen, somewhere
Speaker 1: in that range.
Speaker 2: Okay, So first, how many points does Virginia need to score?
Speaker 2: Just what is their final score? Where if you just
Speaker 2: saw it on ESPN's bottom line, you'd be like, oh wow,
Speaker 2: good for you Virginia.
Speaker 1: In terms of total points. Yeah yeah, if they got
Speaker 1: to twenty eight. Yeah, that's exactly what I had in
Speaker 1: my mind. Twenty eight would impress me.
Speaker 2: Okay, and what percentage? What are your odds? Just from
Speaker 2: a zero to one hundred?
Speaker 1: That?
Speaker 2: Uh, this is you know, Virginia can do all of
Speaker 2: those things. Cleanliness is the theme. They can keep it.
Speaker 2: They can keep it clean. No turnovers, no, no big mistakes,
Speaker 2: no crazy penalties. And get that kick return, get that
Speaker 2: pick six, get that ten percent crazy field position.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have it like seven and a half percent,
Speaker 1: ten percent. Okay, yeah, I man, that's a lot of
Speaker 1: points though it is. I'm taking points. I'm changing for
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Speaker 1: This one is also on Saturday night at eight pm.
Speaker 1: It is on the Fox Network. It is Ohio State
Speaker 1: at twelve and oh It is Wisconsin at ten and two.
Speaker 1: And this one also is a meaty seventeen point Spreaddan.
Speaker 1: You may recall these teams played back at the end
Speaker 1: of October Ohio State one that one by thirty one.
Speaker 1: It was a thirty eight to seven final. In that game,
Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor tailback was held to fifty two yards. This
Speaker 1: was also just the in the early days of Jack
Speaker 1: Cone before he turned into Dan Marino. Like we saw
Speaker 1: last week. He was ten of seventeen for one and
Speaker 1: eight yards in touchdown. Meanwhile, JK. Dobbins had a big game,
Speaker 1: Chase Young had four sacks. You get the point. They
Speaker 1: won by thirty one. That's just the way these things go.
Speaker 1: Pretty impressive. Absolutely. My question to you, and something that
Speaker 1: I have been dealing with in trying to break down
Speaker 1: this game, is do we feel that anything significant has
Speaker 1: changed over the last month or so of football that
Speaker 1: would change how you how we feel about Wisconsin.
Speaker 2: About Wisconsin, yes, yeah, I mean they're a little bit
Speaker 2: more beat up on defense.
Speaker 1: I know they're down their nose tackle. He's been out
Speaker 1: since Iowa. He's out for the year. AJ Taylor's beat up.
Speaker 1: I think he's their second leading receiver. I don't know
Speaker 1: pass catcher, but receiver. I think a corner is hurt
Speaker 1: who has a terrific name, cat you remember. I think
Speaker 1: it's Rashad wild goose. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love that he's.
Speaker 2: Beat up and so that that has changed. But in
Speaker 2: terms of their actual performance since they played Ohio State,
Speaker 2: they edged Iowa, and that looks better now how Iowa
Speaker 2: finished out their season beating Minnesota. Both I guess both
Speaker 2: Iowa and Wisconsin beat Minnesota. Their defense, to me, has
Speaker 2: not looked amazing.
Speaker 1: Didn't look great against Nebraska, but managed to clean things
Speaker 1: up against Minnesota in that sort of tumultuous weather.
Speaker 2: So I don't think dramatically. Jack Cone having a nice
Speaker 2: game against Minnesota certainly is a.
Speaker 1: Plus, but the answer is no.
Speaker 2: Though the answer they haven't gotten back like a game
Speaker 2: changing receiver. They haven't gotten back three defensive linemen who
Speaker 2: can't be can't be blocked, that kind of thing. So no,
Speaker 2: I for better or worse, they seem similar.
Speaker 1: They seem similar. If anything, I think Ohio State's gotten better,
Speaker 1: and no that that's a problem as we enter this matchup.
Speaker 1: The only thing that I would be hanging my hat
Speaker 1: on if I picked Wisconsin to win and or cover,
Speaker 1: to be honest, is the fact that this is a rematch,
Speaker 1: that perhaps there is some familiarity between these two teams. Well,
Speaker 1: the first game was in Columbus, right, it's in Columbus, right,
Speaker 1: so this neutral side, it's in India. I get it
Speaker 1: different atmospherics at play, but it's just that Ohio State
Speaker 1: is so good against the run, they're even better against
Speaker 1: the pass. I don't feel like this game is drastically
Speaker 1: different from the first. Maybe Wisconsin gets to fourteen or
Speaker 1: twenty one points somewhere in that neighborhood, but I think
Speaker 1: Ohio State's like eighteen to twenty one points better here.
Speaker 1: I still stand by the fact that they're the best
Speaker 1: team in the country, and I don't see this game
Speaker 1: being that different from what we saw the first time
Speaker 1: they played. Can I ask you a follow up? Please?
Speaker 1: Would you say the left knee of Justin Fields is
Speaker 1: exactly the same? It is not. Time they play, it
Speaker 1: is not Would you say that Justin Field's mobility in
Speaker 1: terms of scrambling for first downs on third and nine
Speaker 1: or buying himself more time to find an open receiver
Speaker 1: who is popping out of a pretty good Wisconsin defense,
Speaker 1: would you say that helped them the first time? It
Speaker 1: helped them the first time? Sure?
Speaker 2: Would you say he's probably going to be more limited
Speaker 2: with an mcl sprain in terms of cutting and speed
Speaker 2: and changing directions and being able to be the dual
Speaker 2: threat sort of.
Speaker 1: Was it wunderkind? No German? Sure, gotta go the wunderkind wounderkind?
Speaker 1: Do you think that is altered? I knew he came
Speaker 1: off the bench after his injury against Michigan and threw
Speaker 1: a pass to the back of the end zone off
Speaker 1: the short leg. So no, I think he'll be fine.
Speaker 1: I don't. He might not be as explosive, and to
Speaker 1: your point, sure, maybe he's not as quite as big
Speaker 1: old knee brace. Yeah, but I think he'll be fine.
Speaker 1: He's fine good enough when he is normally a game
Speaker 1: changer at full health, when you have all of these weapons,
Speaker 1: when you have JK. Dobbins being a bowling ball with eyes.
Speaker 1: Dobbins back there, Thank you, Gus. It's a gus game.
Speaker 1: I think it is a gust game, so beware. But
Speaker 1: I just I don't feel like anything is so drastically different.
Speaker 1: Ohio State has not shown any signs of letting up
Speaker 1: all year. I don't understand why it would start. I'm
Speaker 1: not seeing anything that would tell me it's going to
Speaker 1: start now.
Speaker 2: So here is another difference. Right leading up to the
Speaker 2: Wisconsin game. For Ohio State, I believe they had the
Speaker 2: Northwestern Friday night game leading up to it. You remember
Speaker 2: that one. Yep, sure it's close, close for a few
Speaker 2: minutes that it was Michigan State, a bye week, Northwestern
Speaker 2: Wisconsin in retrospect, not a terribly challenging lead up leading
Speaker 2: up to this game. Penn State somewhat close, Michigan emotional,
Speaker 2: not super close at the end. But it's a double
Speaker 2: body blow game.
Speaker 1: Is it? Not? Facing Wisconsin a week after Michigan a
Speaker 1: week after Penn State. You think Ohio State's the best
Speaker 1: team in the country, and that's fine, I do. I
Speaker 1: think it's significant with another week on the road. They
Speaker 1: were in an arbor last week, a beat up quarterback,
Speaker 1: so you have that let down post rivalry. Not that
Speaker 1: they're not taking this game seriously, but these are all
Speaker 1: human emotions. Maybe the Badgers are peaking.
Speaker 2: A little bit and a little more confident after Jack
Speaker 2: Cone showed a sort of different element against a good
Speaker 2: team last week. The good news for Ohio State is
Speaker 2: Sean Wade, who the corner who missed last week's game
Speaker 2: against Michigan, appears to be The quote is should be ready,
Speaker 2: so the secondary should be in better shape for Ohio State.
Speaker 2: I just Wisconsin's gonna need two of the following. They're
Speaker 2: gonna need some sort of fluke slash broken play. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they're gonna need a big return. They're gonna need a
Speaker 2: big slash timely turnover. They're gonna need a noticeably immobile
Speaker 2: justin fields. Hope it's not the case, but that would
Speaker 2: certainly help Wisconsin's cause they need no JK. Dobbins run
Speaker 2: to go longer than like fifteen or twenty yards, and
Speaker 2: I have down here they need major carpet and turf
Speaker 2: issues at key moments to really help them out.
Speaker 1: I have.
Speaker 2: The defense is actually the bigger issue to me, but
Speaker 2: I still have because I think they might be able
Speaker 2: to get one or two of those. Ohio State twenty eight,
Speaker 2: Wisconsin twenty wow. Yeah, so super dog Saturday for me.
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean fair enough. I understand the logic. Wisconsin's
Speaker 1: defense the last six weeks of the year, HM hasn
Speaker 1: necessarily been much to write home about. Look good last week,
Speaker 1: yeah on the ground against Nebraska. Yeah, look good last
Speaker 1: week against Minnesota. But there have been spots across the
Speaker 1: I don't know the second half the season here that
Speaker 1: have left me wondering at points, but I just don't
Speaker 1: think it's drastically different. I'm taking Ohio State minus whatever.
Speaker 1: So we disagree, disagree, and then our final Power five
Speaker 1: Championship game if we could travel back in time, Dan,
Speaker 1: Because this show drops on a Thursday morning, we want
Speaker 1: to give people ample time to listen to the other
Speaker 1: content before we get to the Friday game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we can listen to our wrongness about Friday
Speaker 2: night as they go to a Saturday game.
Speaker 1: Save the best for last. Correct. This one is eight pm,
Speaker 1: it is Friday, It is on ABC. It is Utah
Speaker 1: at eleven and one, it is Oregon, your Oregon Ducks,
Speaker 1: the defending Red Box Bowl champions Where's my hat? At
Speaker 1: ten and two? The point spread here is six, Dan, oh,
Speaker 1: six points.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty low considering the other games that we
Speaker 2: have in front of us.
Speaker 1: They still play this one in Santa Clara. Correct, Levi Stadium,
Speaker 1: far as I know, as far as I know, So
Speaker 1: talk to me about this one. How do you feel
Speaker 1: as an Oregon fan and alum.
Speaker 2: I'll speak to this both as an organ fan and alum,
Speaker 2: and as somebody who has watched the Utah Utes play
Speaker 2: football this year. So for Oregon to win this game
Speaker 2: after a couple of pretty lousy performances from the offense.
Speaker 2: They're fine defensively last year, but their offense has certainly
Speaker 2: been a pretty disjointed lot. Justin Herbert has to win
Speaker 2: this game. I don't think they can ride the running game.
Speaker 2: I don't think they can ride that pistol. I don't
Speaker 2: think they can ride counting on those backs. To really
Speaker 2: move the chains, they need to play uncharacteristically smart, aggressive,
Speaker 2: and creatively in big moments on both sides of the ball.
Speaker 2: We saw them fail the moments on defense, even though
Speaker 2: they it was a pretty good defensive game, they gave
Speaker 2: up those big passes to Jaden Daniels and those ASU receivers.
Speaker 2: For me, there are just too many ifs about Oregon.
Speaker 2: There's too many questions about Oregon and too many answers
Speaker 2: about Utah. The big question for me about Utah is
Speaker 2: it's been a nice year to be in the Pac twelve.
Speaker 2: It's been a very nice year to be good in
Speaker 2: the Pac twelve, which I emphatically believe Utah to be.
Speaker 2: I don't know how tested they are. They tried to
Speaker 2: give away the Washington game in the third quarter with
Speaker 2: a couple of turnovers, and they came back like a
Speaker 2: good team should and overcame them and won that game.
Speaker 2: It was a five point game, but they're up twelve late,
Speaker 2: so it was fine. They lost to USC and their
Speaker 2: fourth string quarterback inexcusable the way they lost that game,
Speaker 2: Mistakes in the red zone, and just they just didn't
Speaker 2: look like themselves. Utah's the better team. Utah has more
Speaker 2: ways that they can win this game. Tyler Huntley can
Speaker 2: pick up first downs with his legs if everybody's covered
Speaker 2: on third and seven. I think Utah's just in a
Speaker 2: better space. Their front seven is ridiculous. They get after
Speaker 2: the quarterback, they stopped the run, they stopped big plays.
Speaker 2: If Oregon has a shot, they're going to need to
Speaker 2: go downfield a good amount. And I think it was
Speaker 2: Michale Wright who had the one hundred yard kick return
Speaker 2: against USC. I talk about cleanliness. I talk about you
Speaker 2: needing something plus something plus something. I think Oregon's in
Speaker 2: that spot because it's what we're thirteen or they're twelve
Speaker 2: games in and you watch their offense and you don't
Speaker 2: have a sense of like, what do we do well
Speaker 2: Oregon can That's that question.
Speaker 1: That is my Yeah, that is actually what I've got
Speaker 1: written down here on my show What's Our Bread and Butter.
Speaker 1: I want to know what Oregon does well? Right, And
Speaker 1: we've watched them playing defense pretty well, but offensively, I
Speaker 1: don't know, you've watched him a lot more than I
Speaker 1: have this year, But that that was the question that
Speaker 1: I kept coming back to. If I'm picking Oregon, what
Speaker 1: am I truly leaning on? I guess it's Justin Herbert.
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert's an incredible talent. He's got moments, of course,
Speaker 1: But what am I leaning on if I'm picking Oregon here?
Speaker 1: And do I value those flashes of brilliance over just
Speaker 1: the utter consistency of Utah so far the season? Right,
Speaker 1: a top ten team both in terms of offense and
Speaker 1: defense according to the sp plus efficiency metrics, which I
Speaker 1: know we both love, and they've just been very consistent Oregon, Dan,
Speaker 1: They've they've almost got a little bit of a half
Speaker 1: team complex going on. You just don't know what half
Speaker 1: of the team is going to be better. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it's almost like half of their games they look
Speaker 1: really good, right, Like half of the games they look
Speaker 1: like a complete team. We've seen it this year against
Speaker 1: you know, Colorado and USC teams like that, and other
Speaker 1: times you don't know what you know. Sometimes it's on execution,
Speaker 1: sometimes it's on play calling. Sometimes it's on the stubborn
Speaker 1: elements of how the offense is built.
Speaker 2: And here here's the I guess good news. If you're
Speaker 2: an Oregon fan, it should be a pretty mucked up
Speaker 2: game weatherwise.
Speaker 1: Oh, we got a rain game, don't we. We've got rained.
Speaker 1: Give that to me. Give it to me.
Speaker 2: I would grab the under if you're a betting sort, Okay,
Speaker 2: in a wind game, I think it's in the fifties. Uh,
Speaker 2: the over under is where it's set right now. If
Speaker 2: you toss favor by about six and a half. That
Speaker 2: means they see it as what like my quick math,
Speaker 2: like a thirty to twenty four ish type games.
Speaker 1: Twenty eight twenty three is what I have written down.
Speaker 2: Okay, So that would it's right around in a where
Speaker 2: the is right now. But I think Utah wins this
Speaker 2: game by thirteen points, and I just it's something like
Speaker 2: I don't know, twenty seven, fourteen, thirty to seventeen, I
Speaker 2: don't know. But I would hit that under, and I
Speaker 2: feel good enough about Utah both covering and the under
Speaker 2: that that's just a double barrel lock for me.
Speaker 1: Really, you want me to lock it up? Yes? Please?
Speaker 1: Look of the Week? Wow?
Speaker 2: Okay, is this the biggest game in Utah football history?
Speaker 2: Probably they beat Alabama in the Sugar Bowl. That's not
Speaker 2: insignificant to play in the Sugar Bowl against that type
Speaker 2: of legacy, crazy program. But for Utah to have an
Speaker 2: opportunity to waltz into the elite of the elite of
Speaker 2: the sports, I think this is the biggest game in
Speaker 2: program history. This is their Titanium super Bowl.
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna do. Think they're gonna walk into
Speaker 1: the playoff. I just think they're flat out better. I've
Speaker 1: been stumping for Utah for a while now. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think they're a good team. I am very curious to
Speaker 1: see if, because this game is on ABC, we get
Speaker 1: some sort of like sidebar conversation about Utah. It's got
Speaker 1: Paul Fine Bamb's comments on their bulletin board in the
Speaker 1: little I saw that America doesn't want Utah in the playoff. Whatever,
Speaker 1: Paul right, I got twenty eight twenty three. I think
Speaker 1: win game Rain game maybe kind of close, but Utah
Speaker 1: is better. I think they win. I think they get in.
Speaker 2: If you are going to this game as a Utah
Speaker 2: fan or as an Organ fan, one, bring like a
Speaker 2: poncho of some kind, maybe long underwear. Two you might
Speaker 2: be staying in San Francisco Del Popolo for pizza very
Speaker 2: very good. And number three if you're staying in San
Speaker 2: Jose Mexico Bakery for an incredible torta.
Speaker 1: We've got five group of five championship games that we
Speaker 1: need to get through here very quickly. If we want
Speaker 1: to be thorough, We've got Sun Belt. It's funny how
Speaker 1: that works out. There are five group of five games
Speaker 1: crazy in the sun Belt. We've got Louisiana at ten
Speaker 1: and two. We've got app State at eleven and one.
Speaker 1: It's at high noon on Saturday. App State one. This
Speaker 1: one by ten back in the beginning of October. They
Speaker 1: are a six point favorite. Here, Dan, who you got?
Speaker 1: Ragon Cagen's run the hell out of the ball. App
Speaker 1: State gives up some big runs, so I'm gonna stick
Speaker 1: with super Dog Saturday. Ragion Cagen's Louisiana by a touchdown
Speaker 1: in boone. I've got app State, But I think it's close.
Speaker 1: I think it's a field goal the Mountaineers. Let's go
Speaker 1: to the MAC Championship Game. Also at high noon, it
Speaker 1: is Miami, Ohio. At seven and five. It is Central
Speaker 1: Michigan at eight and four. Central Michigan is a seven
Speaker 1: point favorite. This is the first time these teams have
Speaker 1: played all year, Dan, Who you got?
Speaker 2: You can throw on Central Michigan, but I don't see
Speaker 2: Miami being able to. I've watched them some during some
Speaker 2: action action. They beat up on a lot of terrible teams.
Speaker 2: So did Central Michigan.
Speaker 1: Uh, I'm gonna go Mac in the MAC Championship Chips
Speaker 1: by ten. I'm with you. I'm with you. Conference USA
Speaker 1: Championship Game. It is at one thirty on Saturday. It
Speaker 1: is UAB the Dragons. At nine and three, it is
Speaker 1: FAU the Owls Owl also at nine and three. The
Speaker 1: Fighting Kiffins are a seven and a half point favorite. Dan.
Speaker 1: They did not play during the regular season. Who you Got?
Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna take FAU. I don't think the
Speaker 2: Blazers are gonna be able to keep up, so I'm
Speaker 2: gonna take the Owls by ten, especially since pretty good
Speaker 2: defense for Lane Kiffin and Boca.
Speaker 1: They do, don't they? Yeah, And it could be his
Speaker 1: going away party, could be if he decides or if
Speaker 1: he's offered another job. So I'm with you. I like
Speaker 1: Fau by ten to fourteen points somewhere in that rain v. Fau, Yes,
Speaker 1: excuse me. American Athletic Conference Championship Game, three p thirty
Speaker 1: on Saturday. It is Cincinnati at ten and two. It
Speaker 1: is Memphis at eleven and one. They played last week, Dan,
Speaker 1: they played just last week. They played just last week Memphis,
Speaker 1: very same place, Well, very same place. Memphis won that
Speaker 1: game by ten points, thirty four to twenty four. Well,
Speaker 1: and behold the point spread here is nine in the rematch, Dan,
Speaker 1: who you got? I think there's something super back and
Speaker 1: forth about Cincinnati going to Memphis coming back. It's in
Speaker 1: a long trip, but I'm gonna take Memphis here by
Speaker 1: a couple of touchdowns. I don't trust the Cincinnati offense.
Speaker 1: Even though it's tough to beat a team two weeks
Speaker 1: in a row comfortably, I still think Memphis is that
Speaker 1: much better on offense. Cincinnati will get stops, but it's
Speaker 1: just it's gonna it's gonna wear on them. I think
Speaker 1: I got Memphis by two touchdowns. I think a point
Speaker 1: that you raised last week is the important one, and
Speaker 1: that's when they made us switch a quarterback. They made
Speaker 1: a switch a quarterback, but just on the whole. Cincinnati's
Speaker 1: offense has been sneaky terrible all year. Yeah, decent enough defense,
Speaker 1: but not as good as they were a year ago.
Speaker 1: And Memphis is really good on offense. Scoreman absolutely. And finally,
Speaker 1: the Mountain West Championship game four pm. It is Hawaii
Speaker 1: at nine to four. It is Boise State at eleven
Speaker 1: and one. The Broncos are a fourteen point favorite. These
Speaker 1: two teams did play back in mid October. Boise won
Speaker 1: that game by a fifty nine to thirty seven margin, Dan.
Speaker 2: You got fifty nine? Would you say fifty nine and
Speaker 2: thirty seven? Twenty two points? Yep, it's a lot of points.
Speaker 2: Great half team in Hawaii. Those offense is great and
Speaker 2: their defense can be a nightmare. I Boise was actually
Speaker 2: pretty lucky to win at Colorado State, and I guess
Speaker 2: what turned out to be Mike Bobo's final game. I'm
Speaker 2: expecting big things from Boise's terrific freshman running back George
Speaker 2: Halani so I have another twenty point or forty four
Speaker 2: to twenty four.
Speaker 1: Boise.
Speaker 2: That is all I have in the way, except for
Speaker 2: you have one other matchup, which you insist is bigger.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, baby, let's do it. I don't have a
Speaker 1: sound for this. I have all I played December to remember.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's time works. It sort of takes the
Speaker 1: steam out of this matchup. But it's at high noon.
Speaker 1: It is the number four Muhlenberg Mules, located right here
Speaker 1: in good old Allentown, Pennsylvania. Division three. It is the
Speaker 1: number sixth rank Salisbury Seagulls, a team that was their
Speaker 1: seafaring Team of the Week a couple of weeks ago. Yes,
Speaker 1: they are squaring off in the Division three quarter finals.
Speaker 2: Dan Muhlenberg undefeated, the Mules undefeated. How far are you
Speaker 2: from Muhlenberg.
Speaker 1: I used to be five minutes from Ulenberg. Oh okay.
Speaker 1: They beat by the way. They beat Mit in the
Speaker 1: first round of the tournament, and I think they won
Speaker 1: forty two to nothing. Last week they did.
Speaker 2: They took down the the Broxies of Brockport forty two nail.
Speaker 2: They have not let up a point, no, not a
Speaker 2: loot of point in the tournament, so some would say
Speaker 2: some would.
Speaker 1: Say a team of destiny. But here's where I'm going
Speaker 1: with this. Friend of the show and participant in our
Speaker 1: DC Live show, one Tim Murray, who's on NBC Sports Network.
Speaker 1: I know you've been on Tim Show a bunch of times, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so. He is named Muhlenberg Alump, and he
Speaker 1: also an athlete, former athlete, and also lives close enough
Speaker 1: to where this game is taking place. So I was
Speaker 1: talking to him today and I'm trying to get him
Speaker 1: to pack up the wife and the kids, throw him
Speaker 1: in the car, make the short jaunt down to Salisbury.
Speaker 1: Did you're on your alma mater? He refused? Tailgateing he refuses.
Speaker 1: He said it's going to be cold, So I think
Speaker 1: we should do it not so secret verbal and encourage
Speaker 1: him as only for ballers can to go and watch
Speaker 1: his Muhlenberg mules. Just tweet at him and say, what
Speaker 1: kind of man is scared of seagulls? Go watch some
Speaker 1: football coward? You don't have to do the left part
Speaker 1: one the numeral one one Tim Murray t I M
Speaker 1: m U R R A Y the number one Tim
Speaker 1: Murray on Twitter. Yeah, what kind of man is scared
Speaker 1: of seagulls. That's all.
Speaker 2: I got to go watch some football. Comma coward, That's
Speaker 2: all I have as well. I know he listens to
Speaker 2: the show, so he's going to hear that. But just
Speaker 2: encourage him to have a great time. He as a
Speaker 2: young child. Everybody can go have a great time with
Speaker 2: some were they D three?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Sure, D three football? Come on, make it happens done
Speaker 2: all right? I have time, cleanliness, serotonin, shampoo, whatever you need.
Speaker 1: Whatever you need, savor the flavor, what you ever? Do?
Speaker 1: You have a lock? My lock is Ohio State. Oh okay,
Speaker 1: I'm walking up Ohio State. It has been a pleasure
Speaker 1: doing these previous shows with you all season, Dan, Are
Speaker 1: you breaking up with me? Not yet? Okay. We will
Speaker 1: be back on Sunday to recap all of this action
Speaker 1: and much much more. Perhaps there will be other coaching
Speaker 1: news breaking in the college football sphere. If it does,
Speaker 1: we will be with you on Sunday to discuss it.
Speaker 1: We'll also be with you on Tuesday. La Florida State
Speaker 1: will name a coach by the end of the weekend.
Speaker 1: They claim they want to. They claim they wanted to
Speaker 1: before the end of November, but that didn't quite work out.
Speaker 2: Could mean that it's somebody involved in a conference championship game.
Speaker 2: Could be Mike Norvel, could be Mike Norvell involved in
Speaker 2: a conference championship could be one of the Clemson co
Speaker 2: offensive coordinators.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we will have to wait and see. We thank
Speaker 1: you again for downloading the show, for subscribing to the show,
Speaker 1: for being such a willing participant in our madness here
Speaker 1: on the solid verbal until we talk again on Sunday.
Speaker 1: Thanks again. Enjoy your weekend and stay solid. Peace.