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Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot of people that have illnesses

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00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 1: come on, diabetes anything that they didn't know that they

430
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 1: had and then it pops up. I mean it's like,

431
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 1: I know, I sound like the doom and gloom guy,

432
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 1: and that's not who I want to be. But it's

433
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: just so hard to be positive right now when I

434
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 1: have been yelling about this at the top of my

435
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: lungs for months and people just have refused to listen.

436
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 1: Everything will be be up finding the fall when when

437
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:21,199
Speaker 1: football comes. Yeah, right, dude, I think I said that

438
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 1: back in like April, Ralph I was like, dude, everybody

439
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 1: thinks foot football is gonna be okay, we're if he

440
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,199
Speaker 1: right now, we're already if he's on baseball where and

441
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 1: even the NFL is gonna get if he real soon

442
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: because they actually have some issues on the horizon that

443
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: people don't even realize. So here, I just wanted to

444
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: so you are unequivocally laying the blame at the feet

445
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: of the people who didn't take it seriously, because I mean, okay,

446
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: so so I just want to get this street. So

447
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: what you're saying is is that had everybody rallied together

448
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: and participated in common sense solutions to slow the spread

449
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: of this. We would have sports. Yes, I am one

450
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: ent in that boat. So it's not some uniquely American

451
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 1: thing that this virus is still crushing us while a

452
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: bunch of other countries like Japan and South Korea and

453
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: Germany and Denmark are all seemingly past it. What did

454
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: they do different? I mean that's the clear and obvious thing.

455
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: Like you can't say, oh, well, look they're past it

456
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: and you didn't do the exact same thing. If you

457
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: don't do the exact same thing, you can't expect the

458
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: exact same res volts. I mean, it's it's clear, like

459
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: when when you have people who refuse to wear masks

460
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: out of just courtesy and you and you have people

461
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: who just won't do you know, like when when people

462
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: say they don't know, like so instead of just just

463
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: going along with it and say all right, look we

464
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: don't know, let's just you know, well that's just error

465
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: on the side of caution. No, they're like, no, this

466
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: impete in true to on my American rights. Yeah, but

467
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: this is the same like smoking, bro, you can't smoke

468
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: indoors can't smoke in a stadium because it affects other

469
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: people's health or potentially can there there there's no difference

470
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: where I don't get why this turned into something like

471
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 1: muzzling and whatever. But let's let's let's move on to

472
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: the man, the leader of the pact wall Uh Larry Scott. Yeah,

473
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: you're talking about what's going on with him? Move on

474
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: from Larry Scott or move on to Larry Scott. Yeah,

475
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: let's move on to moving on from Larry Scott. So

476
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: conference leadership is potentially putting the squeeze on Larry Scott.

477
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: The the c e O S may be ready to

478
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: buy buy him out because of UM. Ralph tweeted out

479
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: a wonderful uh, a wonderfully embarrassing uh uh infographic from

480
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: Axios And what all did it say? It? Well, it

481
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: was talking about the amount of providers that are available

482
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: to different UM sports and where was the PAC twelve

483
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 1: fallen in at? Well it doesn't look good. Um. So

484
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: this Axios article wasn't It wasn't meant to be specific

485
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: to the PACK twelve. Um. It was just a list

486
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: of the select sports and streaming options that you have

487
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: and a list of how much everything costs so um,

488
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: you know, not every single sports network out there is

489
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: actually available on every single one of these streaming service options.

490
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: The five biggest ones as far as streaming are Fubo TV.

491
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: Do you have that one, George, he'll know, Okay, neither

492
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: do I. Fubo Fubo actually offers everything everything you could

493
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: possibly want. They are the only ones who do. Yeah,

494
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: because they have NFL Network and NFL Red Zone and

495
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: YouTube TV, Hulu, Sling and A T and T TV

496
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: now do not have that and so, and Fubo actually

497
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: has Packed twelve network, uh, as well as everything else MLB, NHL, NB,

498
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: A Big ten, A, C, C, SEC FS one. Yeah,

499
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: Fubo might be the move, to be honest, because YouTube

500
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: tv just went from th month to sixty four ninety

501
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: nine a month, making it the second most expensive behind Fubo,

502
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,959
Speaker 1: one penny behind Fubo. But they don't have NFL network,

503
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: they don't have NFL the Red Zone, they don't have

504
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: NHL network. And guess what YouTube TV does not have

505
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: Packed twelve network. And you'd figure if they're gonna up

506
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: their prices out of nowhere, Not that Google needs the money,

507
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: but if YouTube tv is gonna up their prices out

508
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: of nowhere, then maybe they could afford to get Packed

509
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: twelve network on YouTube TV, and maybe I would keep

510
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: it because I just canceled my YouTube TV, and I

511
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: think you said you were in the same boat, right, YEP,

512
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 1: I canceled YouTube TV because they lost the Fox regional

513
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: channels too, And so I'm I had Hulu TV and

514
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: YouTube TV and and a a cite of Slink. But

515
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: but Sling gown they lost NFL Network and uh uh

516
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: and well or NFL Red Zone at least and the

517
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: pack Pack twelve gown. I had no reason to have you,

518
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: buddy and YouTube TV. It was my backup for Hulu.

519
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: But now that you've increased your price like, you've priced

520
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: me out like I used to be able to just

521
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 1: be like and as are nine. We used it some

522
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: It's cool, no problem now, no gotta go and U

523
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: and and Hulu does not have NBA TV, MLB, MET Network,

524
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: NHL Network or NFL Reds owner NFL Network and again

525
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: no pac Twel network either, and they're at a month.

526
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: Sling has up their prices yet again. They're now at

527
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 1: forty five dollars a month. They do have Packed twelve

528
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: network but guess what, George, It's not included in the

529
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 1: base price, so we get like up charge for it.

530
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: How much? How much is the charge for it? Um?

531
00:34:55,719 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 1: From what I remember, the sports add on package is

532
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 1: between ten and fifteen dollars, so it's like a bundle though. Yeah.

533
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: And then um, and also in order to record those things,

534
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: because that's how I watched all the Pack twelve games

535
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: last year is I had Sling TV plus the sports

536
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: add on, plus the DVR add on so that I

537
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 1: could go back and rewatch all the games before we

538
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: record it. So I was spending sixty bucks a month,

539
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: I believe for my Sling subscription by the time I

540
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: ended up taking everything off because there's no sports right now. Um.

541
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 1: But yeah, so Sling is continuing to get more and

542
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: more expensive. And then a T and T TV now,

543
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: which I did not even know was an option. I'm

544
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 1: a T mobile guy, But a T and T TV

545
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: now has everything but NFL Network, NFL Red Zone, f

546
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: S two, and Pack twelve network. The only things you

547
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: get with a T and T TV now, which is

548
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: fifty five dollars a month as a Bay price, is

549
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 1: FS one and ESPN. That's it. Everything else that for

550
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: them is an add on. So we're we're basically at

551
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: the point where streaming was supposed to be a better

552
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 1: option than cable, but it's now all pretty much the

553
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: same price as cable. Yeah. Yeah. The only thing better

554
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: about it is that you have the convenience of being

555
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: able to, you know, of being able to take it

556
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: with you where wherever you go. Like it's easier. I

557
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: found it at least easier to be able to like

558
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: take it with me when I travel. I just pack

559
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: a I can either watch it on my phone, pack

560
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,760
Speaker 1: my Apple TV or whatever, and I always have access

561
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: to all these things, and I can even share it

562
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: to the I can even share from my phone to

563
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: the Apple TV to the to the Yeah. So it

564
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: makes a very convenient thing streaming does, and some of

565
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:03,919
Speaker 1: the cable providers haven't quite guidened that streamline yet. So

566
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: I mean, but just just this infographic alone, and it

567
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: was it was part of an article that said an

568
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: overview of the sports streaming landscape, and there's not really

569
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: a lot of extra information in that back on July

570
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 1: five on axios dot com. But just the infographic alone

571
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: of the PAC twelve network being the least available of

572
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 1: all of the college sports networks. In fact, the only

573
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: place that any other college sports network is not accessible,

574
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: and this is incredibly frustrating. So the PAC twelve is

575
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 1: not available on three of the five major sports streaming options.

576
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: All of the other conference networks combined only have one availability,

577
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,720
Speaker 1: and that's that there's no Big Ten network on Sling.

578
00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: Everything else is available everywhere else. How embarrassing is that?

579
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 1: So the PAC twelve is not available on three streaming services,

580
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,240
Speaker 1: and then the Big ten A, C, C, and SEC

581
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: combined only have one unavailability and that's Sling for the

582
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: Big Ten network. What what have I always said that

583
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 1: the PAC twelves problem is they suffer from UM the

584
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: most that they don't have the most important ability in life,

585
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: which is availability. You can't raise your brand if you're

586
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,760
Speaker 1: not available for people to to to see. We've seen

587
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: how popular, you know, like how influential that just being

588
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 1: famous and being available is. Look at look at the Kardashians.

589
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: They've built brands on being able to stay relevant. They

590
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: can't sing, they can't dance, they can entertain you because

591
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: they found a way to stay relevant with their shows,

592
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,439
Speaker 1: with their social media, just staying relevant, like they don't

593
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 1: have any just natural talent. I mean, there's a lot

594
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: of people that are like that. I mean, it's not

595
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: like being a comedian. It's not like being a writer,

596
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: you know what, something that it takes so long to

597
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: dedicate this craft. And yes, being popular and being relevant

598
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: is a skill. It is a skill like that. I

599
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: don't want to take away or trying to like be

600
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: smirched them at all. But it's not like some guy

601
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 1: given talent that that you know that some people cannot have,

602
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? I feel like the pool

603
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,439
Speaker 1: of people who could be Kim Kardashian, of pretty girls

604
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: who could be Kim Kardashian with the right molding and

605
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,760
Speaker 1: the right backing behind them is longer than the people

606
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 1: who could be beyond Yeah, yeah, you're right, all right, Um,

607
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:59,399
Speaker 1: next thing up? We got oh right, we have Oh wait,

608
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: actually hold up, we didn't. We didn't even finish. So

609
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 1: Larry Larry Scott, do you think he's gonna get bought

610
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:08,720
Speaker 1: out or not? I don't think that there is any

611
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: advantage whatsoever to the PAC twelve having Larry Scott in

612
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: any position of influence within its ranks whatsoever. That being said,

613
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: what has changed nothing has changed. It's still the same

614
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 1: people that have allowed Larry Scott to dig the Pack

615
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:30,919
Speaker 1: twelve into this hole in the first place. Um, all

616
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 1: I have ever seen Larry Scott do is survived. He's

617
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 1: getting away with paying eight million in rent and not

618
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: paying the loan back that he got for his house. Uh.

619
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: You know, several years down the line, in the middle

620
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: of a massive global financial COVID nineteen related crisis, the

621
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: Pack twelve is still out there paying eight million in

622
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 1: rent or whatever. So Um. The fact that all of

623
00:40:56,440 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 1: these things are plainly within view for any buddy of

624
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: influence of any kind. Uh, and and the fact that

625
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,479
Speaker 1: the tables haven't turned yet, I just I don't see

626
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: what would make them do it, you know, I I

627
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: don't see that. Uh. As much as you know, these

628
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: stories keep getting put out here and there, you know,

629
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: I haven't seen anyone go public, uh, in a position

630
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: of leadership to say we need a change. And until

631
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 1: I see that, I'm completely convinced that he's going to

632
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 1: be the Pact twelveth Commissioner for Eternity. Don't lose phaise Man,

633
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: don't lose faith, because I mean, like it's got to

634
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: stop somewhere right. Yeah. I mean, will they keep him

635
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: on after they cancel sports completely? Will they just keep

636
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 1: keep paying him? Uh? In retainer? There's no more sports

637
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: because nobody will get with these uh you know, guide

638
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,760
Speaker 1: ends on how we can slow the spread. So sports

639
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 1: are gone forever, but somehow we'll still have Larry Scott.

640
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: That That's That's the way that I I'm looking at

641
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 1: it is he's not going anywhere. Nothing's ever going to change,

642
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: because if it han't, if it hasn't changed by now,

643
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: what was the tipping point? Everything is the same as

644
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 1: it was last year and the year before that and

645
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: the year before that. The PAC twelves trajectory has been

646
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 1: painfully obvious. It has been right out there for absolutely

647
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 1: everyone to see. And I mean when you have people

648
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 1: who barely follow this conference who um laugh when they

649
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: hear some of the things that this conference has done.

650
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: And you know, every single time that reignites all of

651
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: this huge fan base for the PAC twelve that has

652
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: been saying get rid of him this entire time. You

653
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: know it. I don't know a single sensible person that

654
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 1: isn't on the receiving end of the conference. Uh. Money

655
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: that gets handed out that thinks that he should be

656
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: in that job. So what that should tell you is

657
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: I know a couple of administrators of different colleges who

658
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: aren't coming out and saying it because they get paid.

659
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: Other than that, it's a unanimous, absolutely unanimous. And if

660
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: it's unanimous and nothing's changed so far, I don't think

661
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: anything's gonna change. Oh see, like the pandemic has put

662
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 1: him in a position. It's put him in a weird spot, right,

663
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: because he could say, all right, look, look, I understand

664
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:48,399
Speaker 1: we're in a pandemic. My contract is up next year.

665
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 1: A couple of years, we got the we have the

666
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: UH negotiates his rights. I want to be a part

667
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: of that. I'll lower my salary to three million. I

668
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 1: do everybody a solid because it's gonna cost you more

669
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 1: to buy me out. And you know, like we don't

670
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 1: need to do this, like we don't need to change leadership.

671
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 1: It's gonna cost more more money. Let's do the economically

672
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: sensible thing. I'll take a huge pay cut, but then

673
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: after we renegotiate, my salary goes back up. Right, That's

674
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: what he's gonna gonna do. So I hope to make

675
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: sure he's taken care of on the back end. Oh

676
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: for sure, for sure he's giving back like what of

677
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: his salary or something like that. It probably should be

678
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: twenty because the highest the conference is giving up people

679
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: in the conference is the majority are at twelve. Some

680
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: schools are at ten and five, like Colorado's, whose salaries

681
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: aren't super high. But come on, bro, like you're you're

682
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: you're making like you've been getting over for a pretty

683
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: long time. Like oh yeah, yeah, no, no, I'm gonna

684
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: be commensurate with everyone else at twelve percent, So I

685
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: think that's fair. Maybe you make more of everybody else,

686
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 1: Like maybe that top down, maybe that extra eight percent

687
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:15,240
Speaker 1: can go to paying back his home loan. Maybe maybe

688
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: that actually might be the sensible thing to do. So

689
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: I will put that axios graph that we talked about

690
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:27,280
Speaker 1: earlier in the show notes, so you guys can check

691
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 1: that out. But yeah, Larry, Larry Scott's a joke, and

692
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:36,959
Speaker 1: he's put the conference in such a bad position, a bad,

693
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: bad position. But with that said, some teams are still

694
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:46,280
Speaker 1: in a good position as it relates to recruiting, and

695
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 1: Ralph found a tweet from sports Pack twelve about recruiting

696
00:45:53,680 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 1: and if anybody follows follows followed. If anybody follows recruiting

697
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 1: very closely, you would look at, you know, the top

698
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: teams right now in the pack twelve are you have

699
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: Organs ranked fifth or sixth depending on which which recruiting

700
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: side or whatever, and the team rankings USC is right

701
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: behind them, and then you have Washington creeping in. I

702
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: think they're but like thirty three right now or something

703
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 1: like that. So and beyond there, the pack twelve is

704
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: kind of fledgling. Well actually what Washington came up to

705
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: in seven, and then it is a while until you

706
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: get to u C l A. And the forties cal

707
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: around fifty. I don't it takes you have to get

708
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 1: to number fifty Ralph to get five pack twelve teams.

709
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,399
Speaker 1: I think that's a problem, right, I mean I get

710
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: that it's only July and it's a pandemic, haven't had

711
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: on campus visits and all of that, But people are recruiting,

712
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: so I think that this is a problem, right. I'm

713
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,959
Speaker 1: not sure. I'm not sure yet. I need to see

714
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: how things shake out. Um, you know last year, I

715
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: think they're actually as far as the rankings, they're better

716
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: now than they were at any point last year, I think. So,

717
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a little bit encouraging. But the tweet

718
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:28,399
Speaker 1: that I found from sports Pack twelve and found by

719
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,280
Speaker 1: you know, scrolling with my my thumb on my own feed,

720
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,879
Speaker 1: which ps, I follow these guys, they should follow me back.

721
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 1: They don't, but I'm not gonna hold that against them

722
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: because they're a good follow at sports pack twelve. Um.

723
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: And also I'm not a good follow, so maybe they're

724
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 1: smarter uh than the other people who who do follow me.

725
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 1: In fact, everybody should just mass unfollow my account. Everybody

726
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 1: go and follow the Pack twelve Apostles Twitter instead of me.

727
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 1: That would be a really good idea because then you

728
00:47:57,880 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: won't have to deal with all of my garbage and

729
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 1: then the real of and stuff. I'll just retweet from

730
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: the from the Pack twelve Apostles Twitter. Let's see if

731
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,879
Speaker 1: we can get those follows up. But this, uh, this

732
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: Twitter account sports pack twelve U saysack twelve football commits

733
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 1: in the Rivals Top one hundred and I work with Rivals, um,

734
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: and so this is something that I was, Um, I

735
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: was really unaware of that that it was, you know,

736
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,879
Speaker 1: broken down this way, and I liked it. It It listed Uh,

737
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 1: the eleven players from Rivals current iteration of the top

738
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,399
Speaker 1: one hundred that are committed to Pack twelve schools. First

739
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: of all, I didn't know that there was a total

740
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: of eleven, and I think that's actually probably pretty good,

741
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: um for where we're at right now in the recruiting cycle.

742
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: Even though there are a lot more players committed than usual,

743
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 1: the top one hundred players don't necessarily have that incentive

744
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 1: on them to commit early because you know the schools

745
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 1: are going to take them regardless of how long they

746
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: wake they wait. Um. But only three teams in the

747
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,439
Speaker 1: Pac twelve currently have a verbal commitment from a top

748
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: one and player according to Rivals, and the team that

749
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: has the highest ranked player is University of Washington. Uh,

750
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 1: the young Heward who is is committed to University of

751
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 1: Washington is currently the top player in the Rivals one

752
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: hundred who is committed to a Pac twelve school, and

753
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 1: then everybody after that. The other ten are split between

754
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: University of Oregon and USC. Oregon has six, I believe

755
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 1: in USC has four, and um, so yeah, first of all,

756
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting that only three Pack twelve

757
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 1: schools have a commitment from a top one hundred player,

758
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: but I was encouraged that there are eleven current commitments,

759
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 1: and then I found it very interesting that most of

760
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 1: them are to two schools, UM USC and University of Oregon,

761
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 1: which if you're a fan of any other team in

762
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: the Pac twelve, that has got to make you feel

763
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 1: sick to your stomach, because there looked to be a

764
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 1: light at the end of the tunnel UH in the

765
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: last couple of years that it felt like, you know,

766
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 1: people could wrestle the control of the South away from

767
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: you see, in the North, away from from Oregon long term,

768
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: not just having one or two down years at a time. UM.

769
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: But here we are in and Oregon's really only had

770
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: one good year in the last three and it's arguable

771
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: that USC hasn't really had a good year according to

772
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: their own program standards in quite a while. And they're

773
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: the ones that are cleaning up and recruiting UM. And

774
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 1: that just goes to show you that sometimes it's it's

775
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 1: really about making sure that you have people who can

776
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:32,720
Speaker 1: just get out of the way and let the brand

777
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 1: recognition do its thing. Yeah, and when you look at

778
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 1: last year, you had Oregon State, Washington State, and Arizona

779
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: were the only packed twelve schools that did not sign

780
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: it at least one four star recruit. Cow's Cow had one.

781
00:50:54,719 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: USC only had two, which was like wow, Um, Colorado

782
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: re u c l A three, Arizona State eight, Utah four,

783
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: Stanford eight, and um, Washington had ten when you consider

784
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 1: their one five star in Oregon had ten when you

785
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: consider the three five stars and when you go to

786
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 1: one right now, the pact twelve you have you only

787
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: have at this point in time with commits with four

788
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:33,320
Speaker 1: star or better commits. Oregon has eleven, USC as eleven,

789
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 1: Washington has two. U c l A has one. Cal

790
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: has five, which is a testament to what Justin Wilcox

791
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 1: is doing around that program, and Utah has one and

792
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: that's it. I think that that is kind of the

793
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 1: more telling thing. I think that Stanford is going to

794
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 1: come up quickly because you we we've seen a couple

795
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: of kids put out tweets like yo, I gotta accept

796
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 1: it to Stanford, like you have to get accepted to

797
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:08,879
Speaker 1: Stanford before you can commit, which is crazy. So um yeah,

798
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 1: So I don't know how to feel about this recruiting.

799
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 1: I think that it it's great for conferences to be

800
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 1: strong at the top with Oregon, USC in Washington especially

801
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: Cal is coming on strong. I think it's important for

802
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: Arizona State and u c l A if nobody else

803
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: shows up in recruiting that those two teams and then

804
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 1: well and then aside of Stanford as well, that those

805
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 1: teams have to show up big time in recruiting. And

806
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: you can't just have just a you know, like, you

807
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 1: can't have a two teams with a top ten class,

808
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: Washington in the top twenty five and then not have

809
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: anybody until the late thirties or forties. If you want

810
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:54,280
Speaker 1: to be competitive, like you need to have your best

811
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 1: five or six teams in the top thirty period and

812
00:52:57,719 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: then a couple of them and then at least three

813
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 1: of in the top fifteen if you really want to

814
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 1: be competing for national championships. That's one of the reasons

815
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: that I I really enjoy working with you, Georgia's I

816
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 1: don't have to like I don't have to explain to you,

817
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 1: and you don't have to explain to me that talent

818
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 1: is destiny, right, that that getting good players is it

819
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: just increases your ability to not be the reason that

820
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 1: your team loses, right, It's it's a lot harder to

821
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 1: screw things up when you have an entire team full

822
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 1: of UH four and five star recruits, which is why

823
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 1: guys like Willie Taggert didn't get to hang on to

824
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: the reins out there at Florida State, because with the

825
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 1: amount of talent that they had out there, you run

826
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: out of excuses. Most of the teams that are playing

827
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: for a national championship year in and year out, you

828
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 1: can trace three, four and five years back. They're almost

829
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 1: always in the top ten, even more so often in

830
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: the top five in the way that they're recruiting rankings

831
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 1: shake out. And so if the Pac twel wants to

832
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 1: be competitive, obviously, then they need to think they need

833
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:18,800
Speaker 1: to be able to get better players, they need to

834
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:22,439
Speaker 1: be able to keep players home. UM. I don't think

835
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 1: that this particular graphic about just the top one hundred

836
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 1: is necessarily as reflective, because you really build your your

837
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: roster out with those higher end three star guys and

838
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 1: then the occasional four star that you can get if

839
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: you're most of these packed twelve programs. Um. But just

840
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: the idea that it's just really coming down to USC

841
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 1: and Oregon again is the thing that stands out to

842
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 1: me the most, especially because the immediate track record, the

843
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 1: immediate immediate track record is okay, you know, whether it's

844
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 1: the excitement of Keatan Slovis or what University of Oregon

845
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 1: was able to do last year, but even the two

846
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 1: ear window shows that, like, hey, these aren't necessarily perennial contenders, right,

847
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: and so for them to be back up on top

848
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 1: in in recruiting, you really have to look at the

849
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 1: staff that's in place and figure, you know, how, how

850
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:18,439
Speaker 1: are they doing it this way? Why are they doing

851
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 1: it this way? Who's involved? And obviously USC made some

852
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:24,319
Speaker 1: of the right decisions with bringing in the people that

853
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 1: they brought in, and obviously Oregon continues to do things,

854
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: uh and in a way that's incredibly effective. The teams

855
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 1: that I think should be concerned by this are you know,

856
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 1: you had teams with momentum like cal and Colorado, and

857
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 1: the next step is to start landing some of these

858
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 1: top one players, right um And and Washington. While they

859
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 1: do have the top player on this list, they do

860
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 1: need to make sure that that they're in there doing

861
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: that as well. And then with Arizona State, you know

862
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 1: that they had a lot of momentum last year and

863
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 1: they have not serially been able to have that translate

864
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:04,240
Speaker 1: over You and I have talked about in previous shows

865
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 1: why that's potentially the case. But then there's some schools

866
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 1: that really don't have an excuse for what's going on

867
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 1: right now, and I I put University of Arizona in

868
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 1: that in that category, um and and you see l

869
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 1: A as well, you know, but obviously they're taking Chip

870
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 1: Kelly's approach to recruiting to the nth degree of you know,

871
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 1: making sure that like kids have sleep studies and are

872
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: are measured by three different doctors before they can garner

873
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 1: and offer from from the pruince. So you know, that

874
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 1: makes it a little bit more complicated on their end.

875
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:41,360
Speaker 1: But we'll see if that works out long term. But

876
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:44,399
Speaker 1: in in in the meantime, if you don't see your

877
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 1: name amidst this list of contending for top players, then

878
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: you're probably not gonna contend for the conference. And that's

879
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:56,839
Speaker 1: just the way it is. Yeah, And but there will

880
00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 1: people be people who tell you, Ralph, it doesn't matter here,

881
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: like you can develop three stars, Yes you can. But

882
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 1: they like these recruiting sites, whether it's Rivals or seven

883
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:15,800
Speaker 1: what whatever, recruiting service. Is your is your pleasure? Um,

884
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 1: there is a hit rate on five stars and very

885
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 1: high four stars, Like you are more likely to get

886
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 1: an NFL player out of a four and five star

887
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 1: player then you are out of three star players. That

888
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 1: does not mean that your three star players that individually

889
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 1: they cannot be successful and go onto I mean and

890
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 1: go on to high heights and do wonderful things. However,

891
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 1: there is a there is a it's it's almost like

892
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 1: when you start on you know, third base athletically, you

893
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 1: have a better chance of being being a professional athlete

894
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 1: if you start off. If you walk into college six

895
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 1: five to five running a four five with a forty

896
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: in vertical and and can catch a BB in a sandstorm, Uh,

897
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 1: the chances of you going to the NFL are probably

898
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 1: pretty high, you know what I mean? Like or or

899
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 1: if you show up to college six one hundred and

900
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 1: a hundred eighty pounds and you're trying to play one

901
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 1: hundred sixty pounds, you're trying to play safety and you're

902
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 1: you're running for eight. You know, it's different. It's just different.

903
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 1: And I will say that I feel like Utah was

904
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 1: probably the best coach team in the conference last year. Um, which,

905
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 1: by the way, did you see that our guy? Uh?

906
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 1: I guess our guy? Can we say our guy? He's

907
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: in the He's in the pack twelve. So um, Morgan

908
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 1: scally is going to hold on to his job out there,

909
00:58:54,760 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 1: uh in Salt Lake City. Um, they've they've essentially announced

910
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 1: that he's not going to be the coach in waiting anymore, um,

911
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:12,959
Speaker 1: which I found to be interesting. Um. But he's been reinstated,

912
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 1: and so uh, you know, I'm sure that you have

913
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 1: something to say about that, But I will say I

914
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 1: feel like Utah was the best coach team in the

915
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 1: conference last year, and they had a lot of senior talent,

916
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 1: some of those three stars that they had developed up

917
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 1: over time. And look what happened when they played against

918
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 1: USC and Oregon. That that I mean, that's that's ultimately

919
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 1: what it comes down to is can you imagine what

920
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 1: Utah could do if they were recruiting at the same

921
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 1: level as as USC or Oregon? Because you know, even

922
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 1: when you have guys out there, um like Bradley and

923
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 1: I and Lucky Foe too on your defense, when when

924
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:56,439
Speaker 1: you bring Penay seul in, it doesn't matter that he's

925
00:59:56,440 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 1: a sophomore and you're in your fifth year. It doesn't

926
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 1: matter the amount of development that went into it. Panay

927
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 1: Sewell was one of is quite possibly one of the

928
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 1: best offensive linemen of my lifetime. Yeah, And I mean

929
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 1: I had doubts about him in high school because I've

930
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 1: been out to St. George and I see the level

931
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 1: of competition he was playing against. But obviously he'd come

932
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 1: into these camp settings and show that he was completely dominant,

933
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 1: and so you know, he was deserving of the rank

934
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 1: of ranking that he had going into any University of Oregon.

935
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 1: And then he's just continued to prove that. You know,

936
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 1: you really see the difference that talent makes when you

937
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 1: also get it into a situation where it's against people

938
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 1: who are are essentially overachieving right according to um their talent.

939
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 1: That that when what it comes down to is if

940
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 1: you can harness that talent. People always say that hard

941
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 1: work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard, But guess what,

942
01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 1: some talent works hard and there's no beating. And so

943
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 1: about that, you know, if if UTAH wants to continue

944
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 1: the trajectory that they've been on, they want to take

945
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 1: this conference over, they're gonna have to recruit at the

946
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 1: level that USC and Oregon are doing it right now,

947
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 1: and with the coaching staff that they have in place,

948
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 1: with Morgan Scaltley getting reinstated, with Kyle Whittingham's track record,

949
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:21,919
Speaker 1: then they might have the conference wrapped up for ten

950
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 1: straight years. But if they can't get players to Salt Lake,

951
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Yeah, the getting better talent decreases the greatness

952
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 1: that you need to to to coach to win. I

953
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 1: mean it's simple math. Like if you have five Lebron

954
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 1: James's or five NBA All Stars versus you know, the

955
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 1: the New York Knicks, who's probably going to win. I mean,

956
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 1: like I could coach him. I hey, just go out there,

957
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 1: just don't screw it up. Okay, okay, bye, So you

958
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:58,440
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So on the Morrigan Scallely thing, uh,

959
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 1: he had gotten a raise from five five thousand a

960
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 1: year to one point one million annually. They rescinded that race.

961
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 1: So essentially this scandal um and the scandal that we're

962
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 1: referring to. If you if you've been living under a rock,

963
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 1: is Morgan scally On, I guess multiple occasions has used

964
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 1: the N word in the presence of of black players.

965
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:24,960
Speaker 1: And uh, that's no good. Um, But you and I

966
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 1: had talked extensively on this podcast about what we think

967
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 1: should happen. We never said he should be fired. Um,

968
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 1: you know, we said the players should probably have a

969
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 1: voice in it or whatever. Um, But it looks like

970
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:37,120
Speaker 1: so he's he's been reinstated, and his salary is going

971
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:40,640
Speaker 1: from one point one million back down to five thousand

972
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 1: dollars where it was. So it's costing him more than

973
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:47,560
Speaker 1: half of what his salary would have been heading into

974
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 1: this year. And they said that they are Um, they

975
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 1: had made a verbal offer to him to be Utah's

976
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 1: coach in waiting to keep him around, sort of like

977
01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:02,440
Speaker 1: the Jimmy Lake situation in at univer S you have Washington. Um,

978
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 1: and they have rescinded that as well. I'm not sure

979
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 1: what that means. I'm sure maybe he'd still get the

980
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 1: opportunity interview or something. Um, you don't think so, Uh, Okay,

981
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 1: Well then yeah, this is a heat in five or

982
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 1: teen years maybe, but he's gonna be toast for it.

983
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:24,120
Speaker 1: He's toast for a while though. But there's a cost.

984
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:29,320
Speaker 1: I mean, there's quite a cost here. I mean more

985
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 1: than half of his salary five seventy dollars gone out

986
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 1: the window, and the expectation that he was going to

987
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:39,280
Speaker 1: be able to step in and be head coach of

988
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:45,479
Speaker 1: this program um is is also gone, you know, which

989
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 1: is which is interesting that they would have that in

990
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 1: place anyway, with you know, with with the NFL holding

991
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:55,920
Speaker 1: onto the Rooney rule but still struggling with its effectiveness

992
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:59,400
Speaker 1: and everything like that. The idea that that UTAH wouldn't

993
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 1: UM wouldn't interview I was probably something that they needed

994
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 1: to remove from the situation. So, you know, the the

995
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:13,920
Speaker 1: if this becomes open or Kyle Winningham ever goes you know,

996
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 1: I know there's b y U fans and USC fans

997
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 1: who have all wondered about, you know what his future

998
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:22,360
Speaker 1: um in Salt Lake and if he'd ever jumped ship

999
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:24,800
Speaker 1: you know there that's going to need to be an

1000
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:28,959
Speaker 1: open interview process. I'm sure, oh for sure, yeah, there

1001
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 1: there's no just oh yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, he's our

1002
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 1: head coach and wait wait really are you sure about that?

1003
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 1: Are you sure that's what you want to do? Um? Yeah,

1004
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 1: I figured that that would be the result of it.

1005
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:48,640
Speaker 1: Um onto Ralph probably, I think your Favorite New Favorite segment.

1006
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 1: Part of the PAC twelve Apostles is is the ratings

1007
01:04:52,840 --> 01:05:01,479
Speaker 1: discussing our ratings and how this all started was, um wait,

1008
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 1: how did it? How did the ratings discussion start? I

1009
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:07,959
Speaker 1: feel like you were telling people to leave a five

1010
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 1: star review and I just like meekly piped up in

1011
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 1: the background or four stars, and uh that upset you,

1012
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 1: and that led to people leaving us four star reviews.

1013
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:22,840
Speaker 1: But we did get some just honest reviews, you know,

1014
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 1: letting us know that the specific people thought that we

1015
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 1: were not doing a good job. Um. And that seems

1016
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 1: to have ceased as as our um are talking about

1017
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:38,000
Speaker 1: Morgan scally has has died down. So maybe our one

1018
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:42,160
Speaker 1: are one one star review has been removed. After being

1019
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:45,800
Speaker 1: updated week to week, it has now been removed, um,

1020
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:50,640
Speaker 1: which is which is nice. So thank you for or

1021
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:54,080
Speaker 1: was he like, hold up, they're not really jerks like

1022
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:57,920
Speaker 1: I thought they were, so let me back off, and

1023
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:00,360
Speaker 1: you're you're talking about our guy Guerrilla Bears and he's

1024
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:03,040
Speaker 1: an avid listener and so he just didn't like what

1025
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:05,560
Speaker 1: And I think he also went into it with the

1026
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 1: understanding that, like we were saying that he should be

1027
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:11,440
Speaker 1: Oregon Scalie should be fired. And we never went down

1028
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 1: that road, but we did. We definitely talked about it

1029
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:16,520
Speaker 1: for a really long time, and you know that hadn't

1030
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:20,000
Speaker 1: probably wasn't a comfortable subject for any Utah fans who

1031
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 1: do listen to the show, So you know, he and

1032
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 1: then he updated his one star review to say something

1033
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 1: else the next week, which then we challenged him to

1034
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:31,080
Speaker 1: just continue to update his one star review and that

1035
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:33,200
Speaker 1: we would read it every week. And now his one

1036
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:35,680
Speaker 1: star review has gone completely but he still gets a

1037
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:39,480
Speaker 1: shout out on the show Guerrilla Bears, we love you, um,

1038
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:42,240
Speaker 1: but this week, uh, since our last show, it's been

1039
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:45,320
Speaker 1: two weeks. Um. But I did find it interesting we

1040
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:48,920
Speaker 1: have three five star reviews, no four star reviews, George,

1041
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:56,040
Speaker 1: no four star reviews, no four star reviews. That's what

1042
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 1: I like to see. Well, I yes, I also enjoy

1043
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:01,840
Speaker 1: a good five star review, but I would rather have

1044
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 1: the Um, I'd rather have a lot more information to

1045
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:09,920
Speaker 1: sort through, So I would rather have ten four star reviews.

1046
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:11,600
Speaker 1: And then if everything one of those people leaving a

1047
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:14,560
Speaker 1: four star review actually left an honest critique that could

1048
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 1: help us get better, then it would be like we're

1049
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:19,240
Speaker 1: receiving coaching, and then down the line, we never have

1050
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 1: to worry about getting any four star reviews ever, because

1051
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 1: we made the necessary adjustments and we'd be out there

1052
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:28,080
Speaker 1: getting that Pat Mahomes money. So I want to see

1053
01:07:28,080 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 1: ten four star reviews. And if there's gonna be some

1054
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:32,440
Speaker 1: five stars in there, that's fine too, But I want

1055
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 1: to see ten four star reviews by the next time

1056
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 1: we get back together to do a show. And I

1057
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:39,880
Speaker 1: got the ball rolling. I just left us a fourth

1058
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 1: star review. George, What You're gonna make my head explode? Ralph?

1059
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:51,920
Speaker 1: How why would you do that? Because you can still

1060
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:55,240
Speaker 1: have room for improvement and get five stars because people

1061
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:58,960
Speaker 1: can believe that this is a five star podcast and

1062
01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:01,640
Speaker 1: still let the same time say, oh, it'd be nice

1063
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:03,800
Speaker 1: to do this. No, give me the five stars and

1064
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:08,560
Speaker 1: give me the criticism because you like it. Alright, Well,

1065
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:13,320
Speaker 1: I will you give us a four star review? Do

1066
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Speaker 1: you're like, uh um oh, self self deprecating, way too

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01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:22,840
Speaker 1: self deprecating. No, man, this is on you. I got

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Speaker 1: my two and a half stars out of it, but

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01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 1: you get one and a half stars this week. Because

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01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:31,320
Speaker 1: our listeners aren't going to know this, because our podcast

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01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:37,000
Speaker 1: is heavily edited for flow. Uh, but you just forgot

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01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:39,280
Speaker 1: to meet your Mike when your dad walked in, and

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01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:44,799
Speaker 1: so so you you get the one and a half stars.

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Speaker 1: I get two and a half and that adds up

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01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:49,240
Speaker 1: to four. And I will change since we don't have

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01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:53,559
Speaker 1: since we don't have Guerrilla Bears around anymore, since he

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01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:57,400
Speaker 1: deleted his one star review, I'm gonna review our podcast

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01:08:57,520 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 1: and effort that we put in every weekend. I'll up

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01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:02,439
Speaker 1: so I'll let you know if you earn your two

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Speaker 1: and a half next week. Oh man, well, well, is

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01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:12,240
Speaker 1: it possible some weeks that you pull more weight than

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01:09:12,320 --> 01:09:14,720
Speaker 1: others and you're like, oh, Georgie, I think I get

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01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 1: three and a half today and you only get one

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01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:19,880
Speaker 1: and a half. Yeah, well yeah, I'm I mean, I'm

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01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:23,200
Speaker 1: not competitive, right, So me not being a competitive person,

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01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:25,040
Speaker 1: I should just be honest about the effort that I

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01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:27,880
Speaker 1: put into each each show. So, I mean, if it

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01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:31,080
Speaker 1: all have to be specific when I actually update my

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01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:34,640
Speaker 1: review each week, uh, whether or not I felt like

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01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:43,120
Speaker 1: I pulled my weight. Okay. The last thing that we

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01:09:43,240 --> 01:09:49,760
Speaker 1: have is so the IVY League announced. So we talked

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01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:54,400
Speaker 1: briefly earlier about the IVY League announcing um about spring

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01:09:54,520 --> 01:10:01,640
Speaker 1: foot about no fall sports impossible, exclusive spring sports, and

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01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:05,439
Speaker 1: they may or may not have football. The n C

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01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:09,599
Speaker 1: Double A is on the no Plan Plan and Ralph,

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01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:14,360
Speaker 1: do you think college football season kicks off? Because well, actually, actually,

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Speaker 1: first first question do you think it kicks off? The

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01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:21,120
Speaker 1: second thing is I had a dude in my tweets

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Speaker 1: who said, the crazy part is that people like you

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Speaker 1: in the media aren't discussing the impact of not having

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01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:36,679
Speaker 1: a season, and most of it, I believe is driven

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01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:41,559
Speaker 1: by your people's political affiliations. And it's sad to see

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01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:46,760
Speaker 1: your people. Uh, I don't know about that one man,

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01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:50,559
Speaker 1: I'm not touching that. I mean, haven't but but haven't

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01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:55,120
Speaker 1: we talked about the impact of it, the financial impact,

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Speaker 1: the impact on recruits, the impact the families and your

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01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 1: This is devastating and how upset emotionally that I am

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01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 1: going to be about this if if it happens. So

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Speaker 1: and so I tweeted at him back. I was like, hey, bro,

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01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:14,200
Speaker 1: like I like, this is pure lunacy here. And the

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Speaker 1: second thing is, what do you assume my political affiliations

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Speaker 1: are and why do you think that they would have

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Speaker 1: anything to do with this? Like I just despised that

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Speaker 1: this has become a political issue. I absolutely believe it's

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Speaker 1: a public health issue. Well here, I got an email

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Speaker 1: from a guy, um he signed at Santa Barbara Larry,

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01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:36,040
Speaker 1: and I think it's a good email and might answer

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01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:38,360
Speaker 1: to your question is I don't I don't at this

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Speaker 1: point today, Um, I'm I'm not confident there's gonna be football.

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Speaker 1: But he said, Hey, Ralph, really enjoy the pactual apostles

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01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:48,240
Speaker 1: with you and George have a bone to pick with you, guys.

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Speaker 1: One of you said the fatality rate for college football

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Speaker 1: players from COVID nineteen will be one percent if they

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Speaker 1: play this year. My best estimate right now is point

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Speaker 1: zero three twos. Your estimate is more than thirty times

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Speaker 1: too hot. But more to ly, you must ask yourselves

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01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 1: what college football players be safer by playing football or

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Speaker 1: not playing? I think the evidence is clear. A college

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Speaker 1: football player in a major conference will be far safer

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Speaker 1: from COVID nineteen playing football. Think about it. If they play,

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01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:16,040
Speaker 1: their daily activities will be highly regulated. They'll have significantly

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01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:19,160
Speaker 1: more testing and more immediate support services than if they

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Speaker 1: do not play. So keep our pack twelve players healthy

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Speaker 1: by playing some football regards Santa Barbara Larry. So, uh me,

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01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:29,800
Speaker 1: right now where I'm at, I do not think that

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Speaker 1: the season is going to kick off on time, if

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Speaker 1: at all. I'm not very optimistic at this point in time.

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01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:38,960
Speaker 1: But when I when I just am looking at this

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01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:41,800
Speaker 1: individual email from our guy, Santa Barbara Larry, thank you

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01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:44,360
Speaker 1: for listening to the show. By the way, Larry, UM,

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01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:47,400
Speaker 1: I don't feel differently. I don't feel differently. And I

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01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:51,320
Speaker 1: knew that when we were discussing, um, the potential, uh

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01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:53,280
Speaker 1: you know, whether or not somebody could die from COVID,

1144
01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:55,559
Speaker 1: and we talked about earlier in this show that for me,

1145
01:12:55,960 --> 01:13:00,679
Speaker 1: you know, one is too many if it's preventable. UM.

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01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:03,040
Speaker 1: But I I understand that we got some feedback on

1147
01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:05,960
Speaker 1: what our what our percentages were, but you have to

1148
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:08,639
Speaker 1: understand where our hearts at and and and we we're

1149
01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:11,040
Speaker 1: just trying to be cautious and make sure that lives

1150
01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:15,000
Speaker 1: aren't unnecessarily interrupted or devastated um due to this virus.

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01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:18,519
Speaker 1: We care about these kids, UM. But the idea that

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01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:20,840
Speaker 1: they would be safer playing football than they are not

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01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:23,840
Speaker 1: playing football, I'm not sure I disagree with that. I

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01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:26,800
Speaker 1: think I think that that's probably right on, But that's

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01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:32,439
Speaker 1: just not the only thing that's factored into making this decision. Yeah, yeah,

1156
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:35,519
Speaker 1: and yes they'll be tested in all that stuff all

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01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:39,200
Speaker 1: the time. But like we have seen a couple of

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Speaker 1: college administrators come out and saying they're like, well, we

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01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:46,200
Speaker 1: have put all these protocols in place, and then we

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01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:48,479
Speaker 1: go out and see them out eating at a restaurant

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01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:53,560
Speaker 1: out in the city. So it puts everybody in a

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01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:57,960
Speaker 1: precarious position. And I know that everybody is tired of

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01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:02,280
Speaker 1: dealing with this, and that's where I am. Dude, it's

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01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:08,320
Speaker 1: just so deflating because my son is going into high school.

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Speaker 1: We were faced with the choice this year because he's

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Speaker 1: a high level athlete. And as you know, Ralph, there

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01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:23,000
Speaker 1: are a number of people who choose to go the

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01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:27,400
Speaker 1: route of holding their kids back. And when if anybody

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01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:29,919
Speaker 1: doesn't know that this is a huge trend in sports,

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01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:35,080
Speaker 1: that they will either hold their kids back in sixth grade,

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01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:40,800
Speaker 1: eighth grade, or both, or sometimes they'll double hold back

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Speaker 1: eighth grade so they'll they'll complete their eighth grade year,

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01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:47,040
Speaker 1: then they'll basically have a gap year where they're still

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Speaker 1: taking ninth grade classes or repeating their eighth grade classes.

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01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:54,080
Speaker 1: Or a combination of both, and then go to high

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01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:56,800
Speaker 1: school the next year. That's why you get like, you

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01:14:56,840 --> 01:14:59,240
Speaker 1: know J. T. Daniels, where they're like, oh, he should

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01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:02,040
Speaker 1: have still been in college. No, I mean in high school. No,

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01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:05,080
Speaker 1: he shouldn't have. He was a holdback, so he was

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01:15:05,080 --> 01:15:08,439
Speaker 1: supposed to graduate. He just reclassified. You know, you have

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01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:12,040
Speaker 1: other kids, you know, night Jimmy Clawson was damn near

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01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:16,599
Speaker 1: twenty years old in high school. Yeah, all, I mean,

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01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:18,759
Speaker 1: all my kids are one year young for their grade,

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01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:22,200
Speaker 1: and it was the right move for some of them.

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01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:25,559
Speaker 1: And uh and I got one that's probably gonna take

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01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:29,519
Speaker 1: another go um because they were all they all age

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01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:34,040
Speaker 1: up prior to the UM or after the school year ends.

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01:15:34,479 --> 01:15:36,479
Speaker 1: And so you know, I got I got two July kids,

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01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:38,880
Speaker 1: an August kid, and a December kid, and they're all

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01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 1: every single one of them is on an early track.

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01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:44,439
Speaker 1: And so you know, I think you you do everything

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01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:47,759
Speaker 1: individually according to a kid's needs, but more and more,

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01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:50,919
Speaker 1: even locally here in Arizona, some of the high schools

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01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:54,360
Speaker 1: that I cover, you know that you've got parents that

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01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:57,679
Speaker 1: are being very open about the fact that they are

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01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:01,320
Speaker 1: giving their kids multiple opera unities at eighth grade so

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01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:05,479
Speaker 1: that they can increase their viability as a collegiate athlete.

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Speaker 1: I know of one long snapper and one linebacker who

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01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:13,800
Speaker 1: actually went to a Pack twelve school and has since graduated, um,

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01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:16,320
Speaker 1: who were both eighth grade hold backs, and it actually

1201
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:18,439
Speaker 1: worked for them. They got college scholarships out of it

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01:16:18,479 --> 01:16:21,760
Speaker 1: that they might not have otherwise. And so um, yeah,

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01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:25,400
Speaker 1: I mean that's definitely happening. Well that's the crazy like

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01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:29,760
Speaker 1: I kind of frown upon it because for most of

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01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:33,040
Speaker 1: the kids, especially the ones who are physically gifted and

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01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:37,439
Speaker 1: you know, big, tall, fast, strong already, I'm like, what

1207
01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:39,920
Speaker 1: did you do it for the big like the way

1208
01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:45,840
Speaker 1: you can't compete against younger people you're supposed to be better? Right, Yeah,

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01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:47,559
Speaker 1: I think, and well I think the whole idea of

1210
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:50,360
Speaker 1: like varsity football that I mean in the same with college.

1211
01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:54,200
Speaker 1: If you're ready to play as a freshman, then you play, right. Um.

1212
01:16:54,240 --> 01:16:57,160
Speaker 1: But when you're talking about tens of thousands of dollars

1213
01:16:57,200 --> 01:17:02,120
Speaker 1: and not being a wage sl to crushing collegiate related

1214
01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:05,120
Speaker 1: debt over the course of your life, having to do

1215
01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:07,280
Speaker 1: eighth grade twice, isn't that much of a penalty for

1216
01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:12,559
Speaker 1: some of these parents to make their kids pay. Um,

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01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:18,000
Speaker 1: you know, my kids aren't necessarily involved in athletics to um,

1218
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:20,760
Speaker 1: no organized athletics up to this point. You know, I

1219
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:22,840
Speaker 1: have and my two oldest kids I got two Irish

1220
01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:26,360
Speaker 1: twins are both eleven years old right now. Have are

1221
01:17:26,520 --> 01:17:29,040
Speaker 1: don't haven't really shown a ton of interest in in

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01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:33,200
Speaker 1: doing those things, and so, um, you know, would I

1223
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:37,519
Speaker 1: make a decision like that based on athletics for them, No,

1224
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:41,559
Speaker 1: because it hasn't even really been part of their their life. Um.

1225
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:43,719
Speaker 1: But you know when you have a kid who's playing

1226
01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:46,479
Speaker 1: and you go to the doctor and the doctor says like, hey,

1227
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:49,680
Speaker 1: this is their expected height and weight. Um by the

1228
01:17:49,680 --> 01:17:53,320
Speaker 1: time they're eighteen, it could change by the time their nineteen. Uh,

1229
01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:55,960
Speaker 1: And you've got a hundred thousand dollars in tuition room

1230
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:58,640
Speaker 1: and board on the line. What do you do? And

1231
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:00,640
Speaker 1: so I'm not saying that I do that. I'm just

1232
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:03,120
Speaker 1: saying I haven't been in those shoes. And I understand

1233
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:08,519
Speaker 1: I think why it's done. Yeah, I understand why it's done.

1234
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:13,160
Speaker 1: But for for me, I made the decision to not

1235
01:18:13,240 --> 01:18:17,760
Speaker 1: do it because I just felt like he's six one

1236
01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:23,640
Speaker 1: buck fifty. Now he's got rocket arm. It's fast. He's like,

1237
01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:28,400
Speaker 1: he's a phenomenal athlete, and granted, holding him back would

1238
01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:32,519
Speaker 1: put him at a tremendous advantage going forward. No, I

1239
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:35,200
Speaker 1: mean like coming in as a freshman who would have

1240
01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:40,080
Speaker 1: an opportunity to start and potentially in multiple sports. And

1241
01:18:40,439 --> 01:18:42,840
Speaker 1: I was just like, do I want to give him

1242
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:47,320
Speaker 1: the easy route or do I want him to, you know,

1243
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:52,280
Speaker 1: like figure out where he fits. I mean, because I

1244
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:54,520
Speaker 1: looked at it, like because a lot of these parents,

1245
01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:57,600
Speaker 1: Like I know one parent there, her son is like

1246
01:18:57,760 --> 01:19:00,360
Speaker 1: six six right now, he's six six, He's went into

1247
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:03,080
Speaker 1: the ninth grade, but she's holding him back. He's like

1248
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:06,840
Speaker 1: six six, two fifty or something like that. Good lord.

1249
01:19:07,160 --> 01:19:11,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, and his brother plays college football at a

1250
01:19:11,439 --> 01:19:16,719
Speaker 1: power five university, big time school, a big time school,

1251
01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:20,639
Speaker 1: multiple national championships, they're everything like that type of football school,

1252
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:24,519
Speaker 1: and he's getting held back. Asked his mom was like why.

1253
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:26,800
Speaker 1: She was like, I don't think he's mature enough for

1254
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:28,600
Speaker 1: I was like, how mature do you expecting to be

1255
01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:33,439
Speaker 1: a fourteen? Like how mature? I'm just I'm just curious,

1256
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:35,840
Speaker 1: Like what is the purposes? She was like, wanting to

1257
01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:39,320
Speaker 1: get stronger, He's gonna get stronger if he's six five

1258
01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:41,720
Speaker 1: to fifty right now, Like, what what more do you

1259
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:46,160
Speaker 1: want from the kid? Yeah? I don't see. And then

1260
01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:48,559
Speaker 1: if I if I saw my kid was in eighth

1261
01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:50,719
Speaker 1: grade and he had to go line up against somebody

1262
01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:55,360
Speaker 1: who was pounds supposed to be ninth grader, I might

1263
01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:58,439
Speaker 1: have him faking ankle injury or something so that they're

1264
01:19:58,439 --> 01:20:03,320
Speaker 1: not nursing a real one. Um. You know, that's definitely affects.

1265
01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:05,720
Speaker 1: And that's the thing we've been talking about coronavirus. Your

1266
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:08,760
Speaker 1: decision that you make for your family does have an

1267
01:20:08,760 --> 01:20:11,799
Speaker 1: effect on the other decisions that other people make for

1268
01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:15,120
Speaker 1: for their family. And so you know, Um, when we

1269
01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:17,280
Speaker 1: have people who are just sort of doing what's best

1270
01:20:17,320 --> 01:20:20,760
Speaker 1: for for themselves, there is going to be a consequence

1271
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:23,799
Speaker 1: that comes out of that, uh in some way, shape

1272
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:27,040
Speaker 1: or form, and and and if everybody is willing to

1273
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Speaker 1: just deal with whatever those consequences are in order to

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Speaker 1: have the freedoms that we have, uh cool. But if

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Speaker 1: we lose those freedoms because of those consequences, then you know,

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Speaker 1: I think someone somewhere needs to take some action and

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Speaker 1: exercise some authority to get everybody back on the same page. Again,

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Speaker 1: you know, whether that's somebody who's six pounds being able

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Speaker 1: to play with people who are pounds or or you know,

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Speaker 1: whether that's you know, what we're gonna do as far

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Speaker 1: as um keeping our kids safe and and and have

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Speaker 1: and fall sports and protecting them and their families from disease.

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Speaker 1: You always have to consider you know yourself and what

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Speaker 1: you're doing, but you have to look at uh you

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Speaker 1: have to look at the trees for the forest, and

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Speaker 1: the forest for the trees. You have to see the

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Speaker 1: whole picture. Yeah, I just think that it is very important,

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Speaker 1: well if so so for me the decision to not

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Speaker 1: hold him back. I was just like, like, but it

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Speaker 1: made me think because I didn't you know, we all,

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Speaker 1: like you said, we want to do the best for

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Speaker 1: our kids who want to be We want to do

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Speaker 1: all of that. And I'm just sitting there's just like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: he may have to miss this whole entire season. I

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Speaker 1: mean yeah, like so am I then putting him at

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Speaker 1: a disadvantage. And then I looked at people like Steph

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Speaker 1: Curry and people like you know, I mean even Aaron

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Speaker 1: Steph went to um Day, evenson Aaron Rodgers went to

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Speaker 1: a Juco Like sometimes you get where you need to be,

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Speaker 1: you know, and and and I think that some sometimes

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Speaker 1: we try to knock down obstacles for our kids when

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Speaker 1: in reality, sometimes where they needed to be at that

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Speaker 1: point in time, what was the best place for them?

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Speaker 1: Because had Steph Curry been a bigger recruit and went

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Speaker 1: to Duke, things may not have worked the same. He

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Speaker 1: may not have had a chance, might not have been

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Speaker 1: able to shoot the ball as many times as recklessly

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Speaker 1: as he had to to develop the confidence to be

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Speaker 1: who he is. At same thing with Lillard at we

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Speaker 1: were stayed, Same thing with Aaron Rodgers going to UH

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Speaker 1: a Juco that like now Juico. So like a lot

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Speaker 1: of times we we we look for it like like

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Speaker 1: we want that five star review if you if, if

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Speaker 1: you will, we want that five star college, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean? But but sometimes I am I going

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Speaker 1: against my own UH agenda right now, But but sometimes

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Speaker 1: we need that three star lifestyle to motivate us to

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Speaker 1: something else. That's why I look at it, That's why

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Speaker 1: I decided not to do it. Well, I'm sure that people,

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Speaker 1: other people will have plenty to say about the decisions

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Speaker 1: that you've made for your personal life, because that's how

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Speaker 1: we function as a society. Yeah. Um, well, thank you

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Speaker 1: guys for listening to the Pack twelve Apostles. We appreciate

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Speaker 1: next show. Ka