1 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: Soon. 2 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Ozone Podcast with Jaguars senior writer John Oser. 3 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 3: All Right, welcome to this week's Ozone podcast, and I'm 4 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 3: joined this week by Jaguars left tackle Camra Robinson. I'm 5 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 3: excited about this because, as I told him right before 6 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 3: the start, if I'd ask Cam to come in here 7 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 3: six seven years ago when he first got here, might 8 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 3: have gotten an eye roll, might not have gotten a 9 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 3: guy to show up because it just didn't like doing it. 10 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 3: First of all, welcome in, and I appreciate you doing this. 11 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:41,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no problem. 12 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 3: Am I right in that because you've become sort of 13 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 3: a guy that the media likes talking to. And I 14 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 3: know you probably don't love it. You don't mind it 15 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 3: like you were, ye talk about that change. 16 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 2: A little bit. 17 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: Oh No, I think it's just something that happened naturally. 18 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: I'm still not the most. 19 00:00:58,680 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 3: Oh. 20 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: I think it's just my confort level. Should have to 21 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: get extremely comfortable with people just because I mean, like 22 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 1: if you, for example, if you see me in the 23 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: locker room, just like on an everyday basis, then like 24 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:10,279 Speaker 1: my teammates have known about my personality for right forever. 25 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 1: It's because I'm around them the most and that they 26 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: see it a lot and they see me a lot. 27 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: So yeah, I think it's just I think that's the 28 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: only thing that's really changed, honestly, got you. 29 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 3: Is it crazy to think I was prepping for this 30 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 3: last night seventh year. I assume it's gone by in 31 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:26,960 Speaker 3: a blank. 32 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 1: Flowing by. It's it's flowing by. I can't even I 33 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: can't even can't even explain it. It's been crazy. 34 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 2: But it's like you blame come in right, that's probably 35 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 2: told you that. 36 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:41,479 Speaker 1: I don't even know if it was that, I didn't 37 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: believe them. It's just kind of something that when you 38 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: when you're that young, you don't see you don't see 39 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: the the you don't even you you don't know that, 40 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: you don't know. You just kind of you just kind 41 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: of rolling with the punches and just kind of just 42 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: kind of going with it and just kind of going 43 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: with the flow. The older you get, you kind of 44 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: your you're you kind of learn being the moment more 45 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: appreciate every situation because you I mean, you know, you're 46 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: closer to being on the back end and you watch 47 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: to the front of you. So yeah, I think that's 48 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 1: just something that you eventually started to develop appreciation for 49 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: and that you just everything is the most important part 50 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: is the most important important point is the point where 51 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:18,639 Speaker 1: right now is just being in the moment. 52 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 3: I was thinking about this last night, and I guess 53 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 3: your career you have seen and been through just personally, 54 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 3: I'm talking about you tear your ACL and year two 55 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 3: have you come back from that? Have an injury last year? 56 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 3: Also you play on the franchise tag, you wait and 57 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 3: get the big contract. I guess my point is you've 58 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 3: sort of seen everything the NFL has to offer on 59 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 3: that front. 60 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 2: What's the key to sort of making it through a 61 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 2: starter your whole career. 62 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 3: What do you know about the NFL now that you 63 00:02:58,520 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 3: didn't know when you were a kid? 64 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 2: Just how to make it? I guess because you're a pro. 65 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: I think, well, the the thing I did was when 66 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: I first got in, I just kind of followed the guy. 67 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: I mean, because you're you're green, and you just I 68 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: think when you first came you just trying to be 69 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 1: a spongor just taking as much as possible. But I 70 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: think what I really just kind of did a good 71 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: job of is just paying paying attention to the older 72 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 1: guys and just how they approached every day guys like, really, 73 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: my guy, Lender was my lender, was my I still 74 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: talk to him to this day. That was my That 75 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: was my guy. I love him to death, and that 76 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: was who I just kind of like followed behind and 77 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: just kind of I don't even know if he knows. 78 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: I don't even know if he knows how much I 79 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: took from him or how much I but I was 80 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: just not just watching everything he did and the way 81 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: he went about his business on the day to day, 82 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: and the way the way he approached everything professionally, and 83 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: just the way, just the way he carried hisself on 84 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: and off the field. 85 00:03:55,840 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 3: What's the difference in, uh, the ability to prepare hair, 86 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 3: the ability to know what's going on for a rookie 87 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 3: compared to what you are now. Well, just to sort 88 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 3: of get it and know how to go perform and 89 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 3: be consistent every week. 90 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: Right, I think what you do is well when you're younger, 91 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: you don't even when it comes to preparation, I don't even. 92 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: I think you're just trying to find yourself. You're just 93 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: trying to find like your your routine and just kind 94 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 1: of trying to find what works for you. The older 95 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: you get, you kind of get a grip onto what 96 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 1: works for you and kind of what serves you best, 97 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: and you just kind of I think you just kind 98 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 1: of find that sweet spot and just kind of stay 99 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: in it. I mean, if you need to make a tweets, 100 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: if you feel like you need to make tweets here 101 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: and there. Of course there's always space to do that, 102 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: and there's always opportunities to do that. But I think 103 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:49,359 Speaker 1: it's just finding a finding a routine, finding finding that balance, 104 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: and just just sticking to it. 105 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 3: I'm always fascinated to talk to Alabama guys. There's such 106 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 3: a I guess the fraternity maybe the way Miami used 107 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 3: to be. There's such a fraternity among you as such 108 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 3: a pride. How is playing their influenced your career? 109 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I think it's funny because I think 110 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 1: about this a lot, especially recently. I think what I 111 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: what I maybe took from Coach Saban is just the 112 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: whole program there is. It's honestly just to just the 113 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: worker's attitude and the never being satisfied, never feeling like 114 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 1: you got it, or never feeling like you got a 115 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: grip on it, or never feeling like you It's a 116 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: funny story. I remember so after my sophomore year, we 117 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 1: had won we won a national championship. We had played 118 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: Clemson and we beat him. Every won a national championship. 119 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: And so we're in our meeting I think it was 120 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: like that Monday or two whatever, that next that next 121 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 1: team meeting, and everyone's before everyone's always sitting in the 122 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: team meeting room. And then he comes walking in and 123 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 1: he addresses the team. So we're all sitting there, it's 124 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: kind of laughing, chopping it up and just enjoying ourselves. 125 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: And he walks in the room and he's talking and 126 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: we're still like loud, and he's like, I don't understand 127 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: while we walk while we're so damn happy. We really 128 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: didn't play that well. I was just like I was 129 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: just like like, man, like, we just want a national championship. 130 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 1: And still the only thing is I mean, of course 131 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: he allowed us to, He allowed us room to celebrate 132 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 1: and enjoy it and do all that. But he just 133 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: always did a really good job of keeping us with 134 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: that worker's mentality and with that just never never getting complacent, 135 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,559 Speaker 1: no complacency, never feeling like you got it. It's always 136 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: something to get better, and there's always something to work 137 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 1: on and I honestly, just the workers mentality I think 138 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: is what I took most from him. 139 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 2: Are there's still times you hear him in your head 140 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 2: all the time. 141 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 1: I think it's just I don't even know if it's 142 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 1: that I hear things. I don't even know if it's 143 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: that I hear him in my head. It's just so 144 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 1: much stuff that he said stuck with me, and it's 145 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: just that constantly replays in my mind. 146 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're walking through maybe doing good work out that day, like, well, 147 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 3: if I did that, he's gonna be yeah. 148 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Yeah. It's just kind of like it's just 149 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: kind of like he instilled that. It's just like he 150 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: instilled a certain just like a certain worker, blue collar attitude. 151 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 1: It's not just gonna happen. You've got to work for it, 152 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: and every and everything you do and what you're doing 153 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: practice is what you're going to do in the game. 154 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 1: There's no switch. You can't just turn it on and 155 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: just and just do what you want in a game. 156 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: You gotta work on what you want to get better. 157 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: And yeah, I think just that just that worker's attitude. 158 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 3: I know you're a guy who follows the league, you're 159 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 3: a fan of the league. So I assume you watch 160 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 3: analysis some give me. I'm always probably more with offensive 161 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 3: lineman than any of the position. I'm always fascinated by 162 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 3: out of the analysis that you see how much is. 163 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 2: Correct, as far as as far as well just when 164 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 2: people get on there and. 165 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: Say, hey, oh other people like all us. 166 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, this lineman did this, because I know from experience 167 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 3: that it's so hard for outsiders, and I think you 168 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 3: guys get that as you get older. It's hard for 169 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 3: outsiders to analyze you guys, because you got to do it. 170 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 3: But you don't understand the blocking scheme. 171 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: It's just a lot that goes into it. I honestly don't. 172 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: There's a lot of analysts that really do a good 173 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: do a good job, and then they know their stuff 174 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: and they really lock in and they really focus on 175 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: on their job, and I think it's just something. It's 176 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: I mean, it's gonna be. 177 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 2: What year do you learn to shut it out? 178 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: It's gonna take it. It's gonna take it. For me, 179 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: it took I think it was year four or five 180 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: to where you just kind of get like, man, I 181 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: don't care, Like I don't care what people think. I 182 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: don't care because I mean, I think the natural instinct 183 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: for any player, probably any person in general, is you 184 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: want to be likes. So you want to be you 185 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:36,599 Speaker 1: want to feel like you're appreciated, and you want to 186 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: feel like you're But I think once you get over 187 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: the the the that mental hurdle of just everybody not 188 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: gonna like, everybody not gonna like, it's always it's always 189 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: not it's never gonna be all good. 190 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 3: Like, you finally learn that no matter how well you play, 191 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 3: it's never. 192 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: Going to be all good like. Somebody's gonna have something 193 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: to say. But I think the point the point where 194 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: I got to that point where I was just like, bro, 195 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:58,439 Speaker 1: I don't care, it was probably year four, year five. 196 00:08:59,120 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 2: Because you knew. 197 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 3: I guess you learn that you're going to get the 198 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 3: feedback that you want and need that matters. 199 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 1: Yep, while your teammates, while you're in the building. 200 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 3: So you learn to sort of just trust that and 201 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 3: listen to the cliche you can't worry about the haters. 202 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, well I was not even the yeah, yeah, wonderful, 203 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:20,959 Speaker 1: I get what you're saying. Definitely not. But I think 204 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,319 Speaker 1: it's just the fact that you just learn who's in 205 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: You learn whose opinion is actually like important, right, And 206 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: it's just, like I mentioned, that natural instinct to want 207 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: everybody to like you want everybody to say nothing but 208 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: good stuff about you. I won't never, but I think 209 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: once you just kind of get over that. And I 210 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: think the fun part is you can kind of notice 211 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 1: it when it happens for guys. And I know for 212 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: me it was sure the year for it, that year 213 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,199 Speaker 1: four or year five, And I honestly think that's when 214 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: my game started to take even more steps and just 215 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 1: kind of started to get better and better every year. 216 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 2: That's when you know you're a pro. Right, That's that's 217 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 2: sort of the. 218 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's part of it. 219 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 3: Now. Remember when I first got back here in twenty eleven, 220 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 3: David Garrard saying something to me the lines of you 221 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 3: can see a quarterback got criticized all the time. Offensive 222 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 3: linemen are always criticized because if you give up a 223 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,079 Speaker 3: sack out of seventy plays, you've had a bad game. 224 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: Right, So it's the only position you can lose. You 225 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: can win ninety something percent of your reps. 226 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 3: And consider that'll tell you say it to me all 227 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 3: the time, he said, if if if, if a linebacker 228 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 3: had as good a game as I did. Oh pro right, 229 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 3: for a linebacker, you can make it up because you 230 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 3: can go force a fumble and you've had a great game. 231 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:30,559 Speaker 3: You have a lowsy game, you get interception, all of 232 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 3: a sudden, you're a hero. So out of all the 233 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 3: guys on this team, everybody likes football. Everybody loves football. 234 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 3: From listening to teammates and from being around you, it 235 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:43,679 Speaker 3: seems like you're never. 236 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 2: Happier than when you're playing. You follow me, Yeah, Am 237 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:47,559 Speaker 2: I reading that right? 238 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: Yeah? I think it's just not even well, I don't 239 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 1: even know if it's that I'm never happier. That's just 240 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: when I can become like that's just when I can 241 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: like cut it all. That's just when I can just 242 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: like cut loose, Like, no, not a worry in the world. 243 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: I'm not worried about anything going on off the field. 244 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: I'm not worried about like when I'm on the field. 245 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:07,319 Speaker 1: The only thing that matters is what's happening on the field. 246 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 1: And so I think I just trying to I try 247 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 1: to keep it to the point of when you were, 248 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: however old you were when you started playing this game. 249 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: Five six, seven, however old you were you were you 250 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:20,719 Speaker 1: started playing the game because it was fun, right, So 251 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 1: I think it's important to not because I think in 252 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 1: my couple, like a couple of year stretches we had 253 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: around here, it could kind of start it was rough 254 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: and it's just like damn like whatever, like you can 255 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: kind of start to lose that. So I think I 256 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: kind of just kind of wanted to make a commitment 257 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:40,559 Speaker 1: of myself to never lose the never lose the reason 258 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 1: of my wife why I started playing the game in 259 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: the first place. So when I'm on the field, I'm. 260 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 2: Just having a ball and that comes out. 261 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 3: I talked to earlier this year about and I assume 262 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 3: of your teammates about I guess sort of camisms during 263 00:11:54,200 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 3: the game. Yeah, And would you consider yourself a trash taller, 264 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 3: a talker or because you have some dialogue going during 265 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 3: the game. 266 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 1: I'm not a trap. I think it's just more casual. 267 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: I think I'm more casual talk. If somebody starts talking 268 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: crazy to me, I'll probably I'm definitely gonna say something back. 269 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 1: But just more the older I get, it just turns 270 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: into more like casual talk. Because one thing I noticed 271 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: is that all that talking makes you tired. Once you're 272 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: tired old, kind of well, when you get older, you 273 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: just kind of learned the ways to kind of preserve 274 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:30,439 Speaker 1: as much as much as you can because you know 275 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: you're gonna need all right, Yeah, yeah, because you know 276 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,439 Speaker 1: you're gonna need it. So yeah, I think the game, 277 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 1: the game slows down and you kind of just start 278 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: to see everything slower, and it's it's honestly, actually just 279 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: a lot more like casual conversation. 280 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 3: But your teammates talk a lot about and even when 281 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 3: you were a rookie, I remember Nate Hackett telling me 282 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 3: that you were a guy who the teammates responded to, 283 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 3: and if there was something going on, you were going 284 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 3: to be the first guy there helping a guy up, 285 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 3: pushing an opponent away. They respond to that during the game, like, 286 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 3: do you feel responsibility for that, a little bit of 287 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 3: keeping guys up, keeping guys going. 288 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: I don't, even though I feel like it's a responsibility. 289 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:14,680 Speaker 1: That's just how I always have played, Always be the 290 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 1: one helping teammates. I've always be the one I'm gonna 291 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 1: have Any teammates I have, I'm always have their back. 292 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: I'm always right there behind them and it's just I 293 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: don't know where that Yeah, I don't know where that 294 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:28,559 Speaker 1: comes comes from. But it's just it always has been 295 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: there for me. And it's not something that I honestly 296 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: put too much thought into or nothing that I plan 297 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: or nothing that it's just a natural It's just a 298 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 1: natural thing for me. 299 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 3: You probably wouldn't like it. Sounds like you wouldn't like 300 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 3: an individual sport as much like the team. 301 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, because some days when you come into teammates is 302 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: what gets you. Like. There's days when you come in 303 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 1: you was just like, I'm tired, man, I don't feel 304 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:54,839 Speaker 1: I may not feel like man, I may now be 305 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 1: feeling up to and you like the teammates always will 306 00:13:57,679 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: always get you through. You get in and you get 307 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 1: around the teamates, you get around their energy, you get 308 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 1: around the guys, and it just always just like lips 309 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:03,959 Speaker 1: you up. 310 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 3: I think it's you and smooth behind Shatley as those 311 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 3: tenured guys. 312 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 2: Do you like that leadership? Well, I mean you probably 313 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:15,959 Speaker 2: don't even work to do it, and you're clearly a leader. 314 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 3: In the locker room. I guess like it's probably even 315 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 3: the wrong thing. It's just something kind of came natural. 316 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I think of this, and I think that's 317 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: exactly you. You phrased it perfectly. I think it's just 318 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: something that it's just it was just like a natural 319 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: maturation for me. It's never nothing that I've always it's 320 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: never anything that I've tried to force. I always feel 321 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: like the good one one thing that I've I feel 322 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: like that I've taken from good coaches that I've had 323 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: in the pass is that their leadership always just felt natural. 324 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: It never feels like they're trying to force anything on 325 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: you or force you to do anything like they do 326 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: or force you to They kind of just lead by 327 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: example and kind of just it's just natural. Leadership has 328 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 1: always been important, and knowing knowing how to lead, knowing 329 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: everybody doesn't respond the same way to everything, knowing just learning, 330 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 1: learning people, learning your teammates. So I think that's been 331 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: That's a huge part of it for me, just being like, uh, 332 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: just being a natural leader. 333 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 3: On a week like this where you've tough losses obviously, 334 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 3: but you've been around long enough to know these kind 335 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 3: of losses happened. 336 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 2: Is that a big message to younger teammates or they 337 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 2: even need to hear it, Like I think you get it. 338 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think for the for the most part, 339 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 1: for the most part, we get it. But I mean 340 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: that's always just I think you kind of just want 341 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: to echo that. All right, let's flush it. Let's just 342 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: flush it, put it, put it behind us. We didn't 343 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: play well, so we lost the game. We turned the 344 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: ball over. We did. Like it's mar concerning if you 345 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: play well, you do everything right, and then you still 346 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: lose the way you did. Like if you play the 347 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: way we play, Yeah, if you play the way we play, 348 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: you're going to lose the football game the way we 349 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: especially against a great team, and that's a great team. 350 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: So when you play a great team, the the margin 351 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: for area is extremely small. And we didn't play well 352 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: against a good team, and that's we lost. So that's it. 353 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: That's what it was. And not put too much start 354 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: into it. Let's think that the mindset was just kind 355 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: of let's come in, let's watch it, let's get over it, 356 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: and then let's move on. 357 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 3: I maybe a see this last year, but when we talked, uh, 358 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 3: the run hadn't quite happened. As somebody who's been here 359 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 3: since the beginning, you had a playoff year, your first 360 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 3: year then went through, as you said, some tough times. 361 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 2: What does it mean to you to be a part 362 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 2: of it? 363 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: It's special, It's special. It's extremely special. And the older, 364 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: I think, the older I get, the more appreciation I 365 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: have for it. Just kind of going through those ups. 366 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: So it's down, I've seen, You've seen some down man, 367 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: I've seen I've seen, but I've seen the highest of 368 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: highs that we've had in Jacksonville for probably in the 369 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: last ten, fifteen to twenty five ver many years. I've 370 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: been a part of those, and the lowers of lows. 371 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: I've also been a part of those. So I've been 372 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: five minutes from a Super Bowl and I've been number 373 00:16:57,800 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: one pick two years in a row, number like, so, 374 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: I've kind of I've kind of had the I've kind 375 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 1: of had the I've been through all the ups and downs, 376 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: and you kind of just develop our appreciation for the 377 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 1: ups and those downs, and because they kind of just 378 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 1: mowed you and turned you into the type of type 379 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,199 Speaker 1: of player and the type of person that you're ultimately 380 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: going to become. 381 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, to come out the other side, it's pretty cool. 382 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 3: The last thing we do, call it the ozone five. 383 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 3: Very quickly what's the best binge watch ever? 384 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: Oh, that's binge watch ever. It's two all right, So 385 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: on Netflix I started, I know I was a couple 386 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:43,360 Speaker 1: of years later on it, but it was easily one 387 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 1: of the funniest things I've ever watched on Netflix. Just 388 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: the show Last Chance You about the junior college and 389 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: I know it did one in Mississippi, and it was 390 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: funny because I had a couple of teammates in college 391 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 1: that came from that. They came from that junior college. 392 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:58,919 Speaker 1: So I binge watched that. And just one of my 393 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 1: favorite shows ever that I've watched during the pandemic was 394 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: the show called Snowfall and it comes on FX. I 395 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: think the last season of it was recently just I 396 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: think maybe last year BENCH watched that. So Snowfall and 397 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: Last Chance You were probably two of my favorites. Like that. 398 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 2: Uh the last song you heard coming in this morning. 399 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 1: Amen by Drake and. 400 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 3: I'll show you a hip Bama here. He's got a 401 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 3: new album dropping, Is that correct? 402 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 1: I think it came out maybe a week or two ago. 403 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 2: Okay, Well that's about as hip as I can. 404 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: It's from that that's August from the. 405 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 3: Album Best Ex Bama player in the NFL. Right now, 406 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 3: iad phrase it the guy at Bama that just I 407 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:46,919 Speaker 3: mean so much talent, that the guy that just stood 408 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 3: out from the rest, because there's usually one where you're like. 409 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 1: Man that guess for me deep defensively, there's two probably 410 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: Minka Fitzpatrick and rub Ruben Foster. You got the two 411 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 1: that just jump out, that always jumped out. 412 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:04,439 Speaker 2: These guys were different. 413 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And when I first well offensively, I would 414 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:13,679 Speaker 1: probably go Derrick Henry and Mary Cooper. 415 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of people. Yeah. 416 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, so people forget Amaro was like OSMA finalists in college. 417 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, he was crazy. But it's a lot of names. 418 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:26,479 Speaker 2: I can see why. Yes, talking about national championships. 419 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 3: That's Can you remember every college loss? 420 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was absolutely. I can name them all. I 421 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: can name every year, every team, every I know exactly. 422 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: My freshman year, we lost the regular season game the 423 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 1: Old Miss, the Evan. It was Evan in them that 424 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: it's a regular season game, the Old Miss, and we 425 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: lost our first running the playoff game. He lost out 426 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: of the playoffs to Urban Ohio State to coach Meyrin. 427 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:52,120 Speaker 1: They had a squad. And my second year, my second year, 428 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 1: we lost the old Missigains. We lost the Evan them 429 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 1: again in the regular season. 430 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 2: Evan, let's just kill you on that. 431 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: He actually doesn't mention him, but he let me. And yeah, 432 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 1: so that was our only lost that year. We went 433 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: on to win the national championship. And then my last year, 434 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: my junior year, we didn't lose until the championship game. 435 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 2: So three three losses, yeah, three, Yeah. 436 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 3: It was very often your memory best NFL moment when 437 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 3: it stands out sick man. 438 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 1: Does there have to be a game or can it 439 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,719 Speaker 1: just be like just after my after my my rookie year, 440 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,880 Speaker 1: after we went and played at Pittsburgh the playoff game, 441 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 1: we came back here and like all the fans that 442 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: like gathered in the stadium after we after the plane 443 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: landed and we came back here to get in their 444 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 1: cars to get ready at home, and the it was 445 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 1: the fans in the stadium and we went in the stadium. 446 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: It just had a moment. I remember Jalen Ramsey grabbing 447 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: the mic and talk had some crazy stuff and that 448 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 1: was that was that was a special moment, just because 449 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: of the the gravity of the moment. We're headed to 450 00:20:55,080 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: the AF Championship. It's just that was the team, the guys, 451 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:02,199 Speaker 1: all the guys on the team. That was just that 452 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: was That was probably one of my favorites. We played 453 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: Seattle here my rookie year and we've been here in 454 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: the night gear and that was pretty fun. 455 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 2: Soon that was cool. Cam. I always enjoy it. 456 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,120 Speaker 3: Can't thank you enough on a busy week, a tough 457 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,880 Speaker 3: week for joining us. Uh as always thanks for joining. 458 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 2: It was on podcast, well, I appreciate it.