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Speaker 1: NFL podcast. My name is Dan Hansa is coming to
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Speaker 1: general Kevin patra Um. No Chris Westling today. Um as
Speaker 1: everyone knows, west is in another fight right now against
Speaker 1: the Big Sea, and uh, you know, before we get
Speaker 1: going today, it's it's it's incredible for us to be
Speaker 1: able to see it, but you the listeners don't always.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you could hear it, because you could hear
Speaker 1: in West's voice the fight that he's putting in on this,
Speaker 1: But how much of his heart he's putting into doing
Speaker 1: these shows and doing the work writing on the website
Speaker 1: the Great Hube Index and Um doing the tape study
Speaker 1: and still delivering top West analysis, and we're so lucky
Speaker 1: that we've had West to this point this season. But
Speaker 1: today is kind of a reminder Um of the fight
Speaker 1: that he's up against and how it takes so much
Speaker 1: out of him. And I know all the listeners obviously
Speaker 1: boys are and ten percent behind Chris Um and we
Speaker 1: don't want to, you know, put undue focus on on
Speaker 1: his fight, but at the same time, like when he's
Speaker 1: not here on today's show, it's more like an appreciation
Speaker 1: of what he's been able to do while going through
Speaker 1: this situation all over again. Yeah, I think the last
Speaker 1: week's been a tough one. If people knew Um and
Speaker 1: in West have been public about at the back pain
Speaker 1: that he said, what what he's going through like waiting
Speaker 1: for like a four hour window where he's not feeling
Speaker 1: as much back pain so he can pound out like
Speaker 1: one of the best like three thousand word QB and
Speaker 1: Tecks columns like on the internet. It's really it's kind
Speaker 1: of amazing how he's been pushing through. So I echo
Speaker 1: all your thoughts to all, and I would say that
Speaker 1: the handoff from Greg to West on QB Index is
Speaker 1: sort of a Brett Farv Aaron Rodgers type scenario. I mean,
Speaker 1: I really it's two people that couldn't work harder on
Speaker 1: those pieces. But you're getting West right now. Those are
Speaker 1: the vibrant hours of his week and he's putting it
Speaker 1: into watching Game Pass and those things have been like
Speaker 1: so juicy to read. I mean, there's just not, as
Speaker 1: people have said, not a wasted word. So anything West
Speaker 1: offers you almost have the analogy mark what because it
Speaker 1: wasn't with you know, Farving Rogers direct handoff. This is
Speaker 1: more like the cults, where it was of course Peyton
Speaker 1: Manning then the cur of this paint painter year and
Speaker 1: now Andrew. I didn't want to dig into deep on
Speaker 1: the brief interlude between the two UH giants, so I
Speaker 1: you know, I kind of left that off off there.
Speaker 1: But you flamed our edity editing death so that that
Speaker 1: they can handle that on their own. So I would
Speaker 1: never do anything like that. They do great work as well.
Speaker 1: Um So anyway, keep the fight West, We love you. Uh.
Speaker 1: This is the flagship program. Nick Shook's gonna join us
Speaker 1: in just a little bit. Usually he joined us later
Speaker 1: in the show, but one of the games he covered
Speaker 1: happened to have, uh, you know, the biggest injury story
Speaker 1: of the season. So we're gonna get to that also. UM,
Speaker 1: I guess we should just knock it out. In terms
Speaker 1: of Little League news up top before we get to
Speaker 1: the first game. The NFL, in the middle of the
Speaker 1: early games today dropped a bomb press release. Um that's
Speaker 1: not like slang like oh the releases the bomb. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Basically how they've juggled their regulars regular season schedule because
Speaker 1: of Corona virus outbreaks. The Titans and Patriots um, of
Speaker 1: course affected directly by that, but nine teams are affected
Speaker 1: by the schedule um reconfiguration, some over a period of
Speaker 1: weeks through November twenty two. New England, Tennessee, Denver, Buffalo,
Speaker 1: Kansas City, Miami, LH Chargers, New York Jets, and Jacksonville Jaguars.
Speaker 1: Denver's game at New England originally scheduled for Sunday, then
Speaker 1: moved to Monday night when the Patriots had more COVID
Speaker 1: night teen tests now will be played next Sunday afternoon.
Speaker 1: Then that move came after the Patriots had another new
Speaker 1: positive test for COVID nineteen on Sunday morning, according to
Speaker 1: a report, So unbelievable. No TNF this week. That was
Speaker 1: kind of my biggest takeaway from all the shuffling. Assuming
Speaker 1: Bills Titans happens on Tuesday, Yeah, that they were scheduled
Speaker 1: on Thursday, and so there's no TNF game this week.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's still technically TNF. If you wanted just
Speaker 1: to go acronym for Tuesday Night, that's gonna be very weird.
Speaker 1: It's not not really ever. You know something, it's never
Speaker 1: happened during our show at Tuesday Night. Usually you're in
Speaker 1: the clear to do other human things. Not this time.
Speaker 1: Didn't We learn though through last Monday Night Mark that
Speaker 1: they're very serious about the property infringement of different games
Speaker 1: that are connected to days, you know, the Monday Night
Speaker 1: football snaphoo of Monday. But you know, the less said
Speaker 1: the better. No, No, you're right, I mean I'll probably
Speaker 1: be found in a in a van by the side
Speaker 1: of the highway at some point for you know, going
Speaker 1: down that road. All right, let's get to the game.
Speaker 1: Starting with to me, the most surprising outcome. It happened
Speaker 1: at Arrowhead. They have got to go there down two scores.
Speaker 1: Andy Reid knows it. They need seven yards here for
Speaker 1: a first down, fourth down, end seven. Here's my homes
Speaker 1: back into the pocket. It holds fires deep down the middle.
Speaker 1: Intercept there it is picked up by the Raiders. Jeff
Speaker 1: ten five. Yeah, yeah, baby, first down and call at
Speaker 1: the two yard line. Brent Musburger so crazy. It's Brent
Speaker 1: Musburger every Time's like three years old. But you know what,
Speaker 1: that was a good call. Who was doing all the
Speaker 1: Raiders games now for the past couple of years in
Speaker 1: Vegas where he is running also an empire of some kind,
Speaker 1: I believe Musburger Anyway, Patrick Mahomes was shut out for
Speaker 1: most of the second half through that late interception that
Speaker 1: was really a dagger, uh, and the Raiders offense piled
Speaker 1: up nearly five hundred yards of offense on Kansas City
Speaker 1: and a forty to thirty two win over the defending champions.
Speaker 1: Like I said at Arrowhead and Boys, this was a
Speaker 1: perfect day for the Raiders. You had Henry Ruggs, who's
Speaker 1: a big difference maker when he's in the lineup for
Speaker 1: this team because they desperately need that. Other guy, Josh
Speaker 1: Jacobs is a very nice running back. Darren Waller is
Speaker 1: a playmaking tight end. But you need that guy that
Speaker 1: that could spread the off spread the defense and make
Speaker 1: big plays. And that's what Rugs did with two long
Speaker 1: catches including a touchdown. And Derek Carr, when you guys
Speaker 1: fire up the old game pass with this, you will
Speaker 1: be impressed. Uh. He you know a man that's often
Speaker 1: criticized for conservative play we talked about in this podcast.
Speaker 1: I told him just that it's okay to be Derek.
Speaker 1: Derek Derek uh and what he did today, the the
Speaker 1: guy that gets killed for being a checkdown machine through
Speaker 1: two bombs for touchdowns, had played with poison precision, outplayed
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes. Uh. This one was for the haters of
Speaker 1: Derek Carr. And if you're the Chiefs, yeah, Is it
Speaker 1: a bad game or a sign or bigger issues? I
Speaker 1: don't know yet, but it's quite a loss. Well, their
Speaker 1: offense hasn't been the same this year, and they looked.
Speaker 1: They put up a lot of points against the Raiders today,
Speaker 1: but to have a long stretch in the second half
Speaker 1: where they don't do anything that's out of character. Almost
Speaker 1: all their numbers are out of character. Offensively. But I
Speaker 1: think it's a reminder. Yeah, it's like players matter, and
Speaker 1: sometimes we're like, well, this team is banged up, but
Speaker 1: then we go on and kill them. Um, but you
Speaker 1: get Trent brown Back, who's an All Pro caliber tackle,
Speaker 1: and you get your first round pick, Rugs Back, who
Speaker 1: when he's been on the field this year, has absolutely
Speaker 1: made a big difference. And suddenly a very good offense
Speaker 1: turns maybe into a great offense, and and you get
Speaker 1: some plays and you coach around your defense, and what
Speaker 1: what a win. They've had a brutal schedule to be
Speaker 1: three and two despite this schedule, uh, And it doesn't
Speaker 1: really get much easier after the buy. I think they
Speaker 1: have the Bucks uh and then another really tough game
Speaker 1: that I'm forgetting off the top of my head. But
Speaker 1: they've done amazing to be three and two at this
Speaker 1: point of I mean, if you're if you're a Raiders supporter,
Speaker 1: or if you're Derek Carr, or if you're everyone that's
Speaker 1: flamed Derek Carr left and right, including me, I mean
Speaker 1: I I've just never really loved his style of game,
Speaker 1: and a lot of it had to do with the
Speaker 1: fact that, like, while the league becomes a deep ball league.
Speaker 1: He doesn't seem to be part of that party. And
Speaker 1: today is the kind of win that you just can
Speaker 1: save her because you knocked out a team that is
Speaker 1: not just beating you, but destroyed you. UM in the
Speaker 1: Mahomes era times, I mean your defense especially, and you've
Speaker 1: you've beaten a arch rival. Um, You've made it a
Speaker 1: rivalry again, at least for now. It hasn't made it
Speaker 1: as it's a division race, and Derek Carr did it
Speaker 1: UM in a way that shuts everyone up. So it's
Speaker 1: a pretty sweet. It's about as sweet as Sunday as
Speaker 1: you could script for the Las Vegas Raiders, right, Like
Speaker 1: I said, it was a perfect day for them, and
Speaker 1: it does show their ceiling, like when they are humming,
Speaker 1: which I didn't think they could play at this level.
Speaker 1: And I'll point specifically at the defense. You know, they
Speaker 1: finished with over twenty pressures, the second most I believe
Speaker 1: that Mahomes has ever faced in a game. They forced.
Speaker 1: As you heard his first interception of the season that
Speaker 1: nearly went back for a pick six that came on
Speaker 1: a throw made from a crumbling pocket and uh Colletcheosemile
Speaker 1: who had been a big pick up for Kansas City.
Speaker 1: He went out of this game with an injury, so
Speaker 1: they also got dinged up on their offensive line the Chiefs.
Speaker 1: But to me, it's a great game, and it's a
Speaker 1: fascinating game because I think there's big stories on both
Speaker 1: sides of this. That the Raiders ceiling might be a
Speaker 1: little higher than we realized, that Derek Carr might be
Speaker 1: a little bit more dina. I mean, we talk about
Speaker 1: and we'll get to the Dalton scale in a little bit.
Speaker 1: We talked about where he fits in the landscape and
Speaker 1: how players like him go up and down depending who
Speaker 1: they're with. Well, if Henry Ruggs is a superstar deep threat, uh,
Speaker 1: you know we're gonna see Derek Carr start hitting on
Speaker 1: more of those big plays if everyone stays healthy. So
Speaker 1: nice job of the Raiders, Jeeves. We'll see is this
Speaker 1: closer to the Chiefs team from a couple years ago
Speaker 1: where the defense was an issue and they had to
Speaker 1: score forty points every week because usually that doesn't win
Speaker 1: the whole damn thing. All right, that's r in Nick Shook.
Speaker 1: Now Shook he gets called up to the early portion
Speaker 1: of the show. Um, we wish it was under better circumstances, Nick,
Speaker 1: how are you, by the way, I'm fantastic. I'm doing
Speaker 1: better than some people in the league. All right now, exactly,
Speaker 1: all right, Let's hit the highlights of what went down
Speaker 1: in jaral world. Snap back for man rush deep all
Speaker 1: out of the right side forget Up, cut up at
Speaker 1: the fifty yard line and then out of bound. The
Speaker 1: call from Brad Sham the Sham God and Babel Affenberg
Speaker 1: O k r L d Yes. Michael Calip Galup had
Speaker 1: two incredible catches on the final Cowboys drive on passes
Speaker 1: thrown by Andy Dalton and Greg the Leg closed the
Speaker 1: game out with a field goal Cowboys thirty four thirty
Speaker 1: one over the windless Giants. An important win for Dallas
Speaker 1: puts in the first place in the Wolf of NFC East.
Speaker 1: But that was not the big story after the game.
Speaker 1: Not even close. Hittery and here's a quarterback draw up
Speaker 1: the middle. Prescott bouncing out to the left across the twenty.
Speaker 1: He's inside the Sherwin Williams red zone. Nine. Prescott's hurt.
Speaker 1: I didn't like the way he fell. When you run
Speaker 1: your quarterback, you're always taking a chance. He's holding his
Speaker 1: right leg and he's gonna get McCarthy off the side. Well,
Speaker 1: and they immediately the official there in front of immediately
Speaker 1: waved for medical personnel to come over and attend attack. Yes,
Speaker 1: it was a serious right ankle injury for Dak Prescott.
Speaker 1: In fact, that was a compound fracture of the right ankle.
Speaker 1: He has surgery scheduled for Sunday night. It will end
Speaker 1: his season and in the eyes of many, will end
Speaker 1: the Cowboys season. Uh. Shook. That was a really sad
Speaker 1: moment as the gravity of the situation revealed itself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: no doubt. I mean the replays that when they were
Speaker 1: showing them immediately after it happened. We're gruesome enough, but
Speaker 1: you know, see be Dak tearing up and wiping the
Speaker 1: tears from his face with a towel. Uh, As he's
Speaker 1: on the cart and getting driven away, you just realized
Speaker 1: all the ramifications of the injury that he had just sustained,
Speaker 1: both of the Cowboys season and also with his future
Speaker 1: with him playing on the Tag. The risk associated with
Speaker 1: that all of a sudden becomes reality. Um, of course,
Speaker 1: it tanks a season that was already a struggle and
Speaker 1: in a game that was already a struggle. I mean,
Speaker 1: Dallas is down seventeen three at one point before they
Speaker 1: charged back, it looked like they were gonna be able
Speaker 1: to to kind of pull away before this happened, and
Speaker 1: the air kind of got sucked out of the stadium
Speaker 1: at the same time that he got hurt. And you know,
Speaker 1: you worry as a fan of a team about the
Speaker 1: future of your team, but really more importantly, you worry
Speaker 1: about the future of Dak Prescott, who has done more
Speaker 1: than enough to try to lift the Cowboys the victories
Speaker 1: early in the season as their defense has not done
Speaker 1: its part, and he has thrown for an incredible amount
Speaker 1: of yards, He's made plays with his legs, and he
Speaker 1: unfortunately gets hurt making a play with his legs, and
Speaker 1: it really just makes you wonder, you know, is this
Speaker 1: the last time we've seen Dak Prescott in Dallas. It
Speaker 1: is possibility. Well, I'm not sure if they're done this
Speaker 1: season in terms of that that NFC East. But when
Speaker 1: you think about what Prescott's been through, man, I mean
Speaker 1: you feel for him. Um. He spoke so eloquently about,
Speaker 1: you know, struggling with mental health this year with like
Speaker 1: like a lot of people have. I mean, he lost
Speaker 1: his brother to suicide this year, he lost his mom um,
Speaker 1: you know, as a lot of people know before the draft,
Speaker 1: and uh, he seems like about as good a leader
Speaker 1: as there is in the NFL. UM. I I don't
Speaker 1: know where the Cowboys team goes like next. We could
Speaker 1: have that discussion in a second, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: I I guess I have a hard time believing he's
Speaker 1: gonna be anywhere else um but Dallas in the future.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying this injury raises that or lowers it.
Speaker 1: I had a hard time really buying that that would
Speaker 1: happen before this, and I think that's still true, just
Speaker 1: because because he's played too well and it's just too crazy, Um,
Speaker 1: too crazy to let a guy that that that good go.
Speaker 1: I think you're right, And I mean, there aren't that
Speaker 1: on the juxtaposition on the same day that we'll get
Speaker 1: into it that we saw Alex Smith return um to
Speaker 1: the field from his injury, that the day began with
Speaker 1: that and it ended with this UM. But the parallel
Speaker 1: also is that the outpouring of genuine care from enemy
Speaker 1: lines and beyond and within the own locker room UM
Speaker 1: that was pro Alex Smith. DAC has that too. I mean,
Speaker 1: I really, you know, players get injured every week, but
Speaker 1: the outpouring of people just saying how much Doc has
Speaker 1: meant to them, and these stories that are bubbling up
Speaker 1: about things that we never knew about, things that he
Speaker 1: went out of his way to help people. Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: saying that how how much Dak Prescott has impacted him
Speaker 1: during their short time together. You know, now, Mike McCarthy,
Speaker 1: you couldn't script a sort of a more rough and
Speaker 1: tumble um beginning to your career as a Cowboys coach
Speaker 1: than he has. And then what he's been through over
Speaker 1: the first five weeks of the seasons. It was a
Speaker 1: little surreal because Jason Garrett, now the offensive coordinator of
Speaker 1: the Giants, is one of the first people that gets
Speaker 1: the Garrett on the far sideline, Uh, when he gets
Speaker 1: to dock on the far sideline, when he's on the ground.
Speaker 1: You had Tony Romo in the booth for CBS, of course,
Speaker 1: who handed the baton as Cowboys quarterback to Dac And yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a like I said, compound fracture, which is
Speaker 1: the gnarly one. It's the one where the bone breaks
Speaker 1: through the skin. Uh. The good news is as nasty
Speaker 1: as that injury is. Um, it's we've seen it a
Speaker 1: lot where that's something that gets repaired and players return
Speaker 1: at full strength. And I'm I'm with you, Greg, I
Speaker 1: think barring some type of unforeseen complication in his rehab,
Speaker 1: I would imagine that Jerry Jones is going to still
Speaker 1: richly richly reward doc and he'll enter next season, hopefully
Speaker 1: week one, as their starter and as one of the
Speaker 1: highest play paid quarterbacks in the league. None of that
Speaker 1: would surprise me, but none of that helps him right now.
Speaker 1: That speculation or the Cowboys Andy Dalton, I thought that
Speaker 1: was an awesome signing by them. I mean, not that
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton's awesome, but I thought that was like when
Speaker 1: they signed on Andy Dalton quietly this offseason. It struck
Speaker 1: me as one of the better moves for depth that
Speaker 1: we saw at the quarterback position. And you saw what
Speaker 1: he was able to do, which is come into that
Speaker 1: game and um put points on the board, beautiful past
Speaker 1: the gallop to set up the game winning kick. And
Speaker 1: the great Chris Wessling, who coined the Dalton scale where
Speaker 1: we try to figure out where quarterbacks exist and who
Speaker 1: is the prime meridian and Andy Dalton famously is the
Speaker 1: prim Ridian. Now what Sometimes the definition of that will
Speaker 1: get lost, and I'll even I lose it sometimes. But
Speaker 1: what West always said was he's the prim Ridian because
Speaker 1: he he rises and falls based entirely on what the
Speaker 1: team is around him. So if the Cincinnati Bengals had
Speaker 1: nobody on offense and the coaching stunk, he would stink.
Speaker 1: If if they if they were loaded, you would see
Speaker 1: what happened in two thousand fifteen. This is the ultimate
Speaker 1: test of the Dalton scale because he now joins an
Speaker 1: offense with the three best you know wide receiver, the
Speaker 1: best wide receiver triplets in the league, and an all
Speaker 1: Pro running back and it's still solid offensive line. I'm
Speaker 1: excited to see Dalton's second act of his career. Obviously
Speaker 1: not the expense of deck, but I'm excited to see
Speaker 1: how he does here. Yeah, and you know he did
Speaker 1: find success today nine of eleven for a hundred and
Speaker 1: eleven yards, and of course that past has set up
Speaker 1: that game winning field goal, which was a beauty and
Speaker 1: a great grab by by Michael Gallup. But it will
Speaker 1: change their offense a little bit because it's just that
Speaker 1: you don't have the same guy running the system, I mean,
Speaker 1: and that is going to be an adjustment they're gonna
Speaker 1: have to make on the flag. But it still comes
Speaker 1: down to the same thing for them, which is their defense.
Speaker 1: You can't give up thirt or four points to the Giants.
Speaker 1: I don't care if one of those courts was a
Speaker 1: defensive touchdown. That's not gonna win you games against almost anybody.
Speaker 1: And it almost cost him today. Well, it's also like,
Speaker 1: what's the goal here? If the goals to to possibly
Speaker 1: go win this division, you know that that seems attainable.
Speaker 1: But for the Cowboys, you know they've done They've they've
Speaker 1: had first round losses. Like that'll be a good story
Speaker 1: and maybe it's something you can build on going into
Speaker 1: next year. But they're not winning the title without Tyrone Smith,
Speaker 1: Lyle Collins and Dak Prescott. They're not going to the
Speaker 1: NFC Championship Game without both of those tackles for the
Speaker 1: year in Dak Prescott and this defense by the way,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just not gonna happen. So they know,
Speaker 1: but I would I would say that if you're if
Speaker 1: you're Mike McCarthy, if you're the coaching staff, like you've
Speaker 1: got to salvage something here. Sure, I mean, it's it's
Speaker 1: been a pretty disappointing head coaching job in general. I mean,
Speaker 1: I just you know, part of it is Mike Nolan
Speaker 1: has his plan feels shotgun from decades ago, and it
Speaker 1: doesn't function in according to you know, the players seem
Speaker 1: you know, peaked with it too. But I mean, you can't,
Speaker 1: like if you can't win this NFC East with the
Speaker 1: talent they have defense though well they I mean it's
Speaker 1: one sided, but their offensive like they're collection offens on paper,
Speaker 1: they mean they they're gonna have, They're gonna get Vanderish back.
Speaker 1: They have Jalen Smith. The secondary on paper doesn't look terrible,
Speaker 1: and they have Everson Griffin and Lawrence and Alvin Smith.
Speaker 1: It's it doesn't add up. But they are two and three.
Speaker 1: That's good for first place. What about the ewing theory,
Speaker 1: All right, let's move about not here's the snap A
Speaker 1: little god a man first half cooks left side ten five,
Speaker 1: he's in touchdown Houston on fourth down twenty eight yards.
Speaker 1: Mark Vandermere of k I l T. No Bill O'Brien,
Speaker 1: no problem, I mean, like no problems anymore. Maybe the
Speaker 1: Shawn Watson and Brandon Cooks found their rhythm, and the
Speaker 1: Texans finally got off the Schneide fourteen win over the
Speaker 1: Jaguars and the debut interim coach Romeo Crannell Shook. The
Speaker 1: Texans that look different to you today. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: they played a little more life. But I think they
Speaker 1: got a gift by playing the Jaguars. I mean, the
Speaker 1: Texans had an extremely difficult first three years. Shook when
Speaker 1: you look at their schedule, I mean, I mean look
Speaker 1: like they went from Kansas City to Baltimore, to Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: to to Minnesota, which you know, you can say what
Speaker 1: you want about Minnesota, but it's Jacksonville who has not
Speaker 1: played well since Week two. That Thursday night game that
Speaker 1: lost against Miami was essentially the start of their downfall.
Speaker 1: They haven't been able to pick up the pieces there.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't exactly the greatest challenge still an NFL team,
Speaker 1: of course, but it wasn't like the competitions they've played before,
Speaker 1: So I think they did look out a little bit there.
Speaker 1: But for the first time this season, I saw Texans
Speaker 1: offense that actually moved the football with rhythm. Uh Deshaun
Speaker 1: Watson despite his two interceptions, he was pretty sharp for
Speaker 1: the most part. For the first time this season, he
Speaker 1: established a connection with Brandon Cooks, who had eight catches
Speaker 1: for a hundred and sixty one yards in a touchdown
Speaker 1: um they had, They had pretty solid pace. David Johnson
Speaker 1: flurred with a hundred yards rushing for the first time
Speaker 1: in two years. He didn't get there, so we can't
Speaker 1: say that, you know, he officially rushed for hundred yards
Speaker 1: after two years, but he finished with nineties six and
Speaker 1: they did a good job of putting the game away.
Speaker 1: But again, it was as much you give credit to
Speaker 1: their defense to a to an extent, but it was
Speaker 1: as much as the Jaguars kind of making those mistakes
Speaker 1: and making it just you know, grease and the skids
Speaker 1: little bit for him becau their first win. But hey,
Speaker 1: good on Romeo Cornell, who's proven in the pass that
Speaker 1: he has a good interim head coach now and he's
Speaker 1: a regular head coach. It's a different story, but he's
Speaker 1: want to know, is the interim head coach this year.
Speaker 1: The Jags are the slump busters of the NFL and
Speaker 1: ye and to be fair, they were the worst defense
Speaker 1: in the league. Before they lost their best player by far,
Speaker 1: Miles Jack, their second best player UH Josh Allen, and
Speaker 1: their third best player d J. Hayden before this game
Speaker 1: even started, so they were already coming into this game
Speaker 1: as a tire fire UH and Houston took care of business,
Speaker 1: at least their defense shook. I guess played a little
Speaker 1: bit better at the Texans. I'm always like, I'm surprised
Speaker 1: that when Minshew doesn't put up more points in this Yeah,
Speaker 1: especially when he throws for three hundred plus yards right,
Speaker 1: which he's done, and the record UH in in games
Speaker 1: in which Minshew has thrown for three hundred plus yards
Speaker 1: is not a good sign, so you don't want to
Speaker 1: rely too much on him. But they didn't get anything
Speaker 1: out of James Robinson today, who often met brick walls
Speaker 1: when he was running the ball. Lewis Kaschenalt still contributed
Speaker 1: as he has for the majority of this year. But
Speaker 1: this is just a team that lacks weapons at lack cohesiveness.
Speaker 1: It doesn't outlook anything like the unit on both sides
Speaker 1: of the ball, the team that we saw in the
Speaker 1: first two weeks, and it is it does have a
Speaker 1: lot to do with the losses, like you said of
Speaker 1: guys like Miles Jack, I still find this to be
Speaker 1: this Houston team to be somehow more depressing than the
Speaker 1: Cowboys at this point. And I'm gonna need to go
Speaker 1: watch this tape closely, um if I choose to do so,
Speaker 1: to see if that opinion holds true. Well, they were
Speaker 1: certainly more depressing I thought when Billy was there, because
Speaker 1: a real ugliness had settled over there. I think they
Speaker 1: love Romeo. I think I saw after the game they
Speaker 1: were saying that all the meetings, like Romeo just says
Speaker 1: funny stuff all the time, that how can you not
Speaker 1: love Roman kind of like a love of old Bear.
Speaker 1: But just watch out here, guys, because their schedule is
Speaker 1: going to soften up, and they now they can rally.
Speaker 1: It's like in Major League we all shook you. You know,
Speaker 1: you're Cleveland usually, like sometimes it's good to rise up
Speaker 1: against the father figure or the owner or the general
Speaker 1: manager slash coach that you didn't like. What better way
Speaker 1: to stick it to Billy O'Brien out the door than to,
Speaker 1: you know, reel off five of the six wins after
Speaker 1: his departure. You're back in. It's Jack Easter be with
Speaker 1: the Texans. You want to come coach to Texans. Texans?
Speaker 1: All hold on, I got a guy on the line,
Speaker 1: asked about white walls. Romeo has been a players coach.
Speaker 1: There's a famous clipping in Brown circles, which there aren't
Speaker 1: many of those in the last twenties plus years. Maybe
Speaker 1: there will be some this year, but there aren't many.
Speaker 1: Where he was in the locker room after a victory
Speaker 1: in two thousand seven, he's one great year with them
Speaker 1: when he said, when you guys do well, it makes
Speaker 1: me look good. And I'm looking pretty good right now
Speaker 1: and today, and the Texans looked pretty good. I guess,
Speaker 1: so not bad for your first win. Alright, Speaking of
Speaker 1: those Brown's, nick hang around here as we dig into
Speaker 1: the latest Cleveland conquest. Rivers on third down and four
Speaker 1: from US on forty six yards line, motioned by Taylor
Speaker 1: back into the backfield, shotgun for Rivers. Third down, the
Speaker 1: Browns showing off the left side. Then they drop off.
Speaker 1: Rivers back to pass pressure coming stepped up product pickock.
Speaker 1: They got a don a sideline picked up by Ronny Harrison.
Speaker 1: It's a pick six touchdown, Jim Donovan. Was it called
Speaker 1: w K R K Philip Rivers pick six was the
Speaker 1: one of was one of several killer mistakes by the
Speaker 1: veteran quarterback. Who has to have Frank Wright in mc
Speaker 1: cults brain Trust thinking after a thirty three loss to
Speaker 1: the Browns. For Cleveland, it's four straight wins and the
Speaker 1: team's first four and one starts since the British Old
Speaker 1: days with Billy Belichick in the nine nineties, Mark, would
Speaker 1: you take out of this one? I would note that
Speaker 1: the last time that happened, when they made an interesting
Speaker 1: nugget at the end of the telecast that it was
Speaker 1: prior to the first season of Friends. Like culturally, that's
Speaker 1: a really long time ago. I mean, beside all the
Speaker 1: little football you know items, this game is to me
Speaker 1: another study in what this Browns team is this season.
Speaker 1: You know, the talk was, Okay, this is a run
Speaker 1: heavy team. Their systematically running for two d three hundred
Speaker 1: yards a game and that's how they that's how they've
Speaker 1: basically squeezed the life out of their opponents to get
Speaker 1: to three and one. What would happen in this affair
Speaker 1: against a really good Cults defense. They came out throwing
Speaker 1: the ball. I mean it was it was they couldn't run,
Speaker 1: they were unable to move the ball on the ground.
Speaker 1: But it really was the focus was putting it on
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield's back early on, and he I thought he
Speaker 1: had the best half that I've seen him play arguably. Ever,
Speaker 1: that's just I'm talking about just like the defense you
Speaker 1: were playing, you weren't playing the Bengals. He had two
Speaker 1: yards over the first thirty minutes. Um. They were aggressively
Speaker 1: attacking Indies secondary right up the middle of the field,
Speaker 1: and it was working. And you know, this Browns team
Speaker 1: is learning to get up quickly as they did against Dallas.
Speaker 1: But then you've got to deal with the other thirty minutes.
Speaker 1: And they were lucky that Philip rivers Um is a
Speaker 1: quarterback right now, who I think number one. They're playing
Speaker 1: around the best they can, and that's not easy to
Speaker 1: do because they're not littered with stars the Cults, but
Speaker 1: I don't think that they necessarily trust Philip rivers And
Speaker 1: I also think that he just doesn't fit into what
Speaker 1: the Cults probably should be on offense. So there were
Speaker 1: like that that was coming into view as this game
Speaker 1: was melting down the stretch for the Cults, but the
Speaker 1: Cleveland secondary allow is inviting and allow sort of anyone
Speaker 1: back in and I think one of the stories of
Speaker 1: the game for Cleveland And Nick, I know you watched
Speaker 1: this too, but the you know, there are days away
Speaker 1: from playing the Steelers and they came out of here
Speaker 1: with Baker Mayfield, Wyatt Teller, they're badass right guard Ryan
Speaker 1: Harrison who had the pick six, who they brought into place,
Speaker 1: safety Harrison, Bryant, Jacob Phillips, Jordan Elliott, Sheldon Richardson, Olivier Vernon,
Speaker 1: and Kareem Hunt, all with injury questions heading into Monday.
Speaker 1: So you know it's this is this team is not
Speaker 1: extremely healthy, but instead of classic sort of Cleveland melt job,
Speaker 1: they made just enough plays down the stretch to get
Speaker 1: to form one. And it's something that I mean, Nick,
Speaker 1: I don't know where you were in I know where
Speaker 1: I was, and it feels like a long time ago.
Speaker 1: I was to Um Jacobs Field had opened and my
Speaker 1: dad took me to the exhibition game the day before
Speaker 1: it opened and we sat in the front row in
Speaker 1: the upper deck, which he still sits back and wonders
Speaker 1: why he ever did that with a two year old son. Um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, you think about. Belichick was the
Speaker 1: head coach. Um Nick Saban was the defensive coordinator. Addy
Speaker 1: Newson was a front office executive who had yet to
Speaker 1: become the first black GM in the NFL in NFL history. Um,
Speaker 1: this is an extremely long time ago. Of course, it
Speaker 1: would be the year that we're in a pandemic that
Speaker 1: Browns fans can't enjoy this, but that's neither here nor there.
Speaker 1: You're right about the how they've had this, this identity
Speaker 1: of a run first team, and I just didn't work today.
Speaker 1: Kareem Hunt was under eight yards rushing today. Dennis Johnson
Speaker 1: ripped off a run to kind of put things away
Speaker 1: at the end, but for the most part, they couldn't
Speaker 1: run the ball well. The Holts tackle really well individually.
Speaker 1: That's one thing that really jumped out. They were not great.
Speaker 1: The Kareem Hunt and Nick Chubb are guys who do
Speaker 1: not go down on first contact. Usually they usually break
Speaker 1: through an arm tackle. The Colts were very, very good
Speaker 1: at tackling, and it forced the Browns and Kevin Stefanski
Speaker 1: to just try to figure out a different way to
Speaker 1: move the football. And I do give him credit, especially
Speaker 1: in that first half. I thought these were two coaches
Speaker 1: who had pretty solid game plans and it was just
Speaker 1: a matter of execution. In the first half, the Browns
Speaker 1: offense executed very well, moved to move the ball down
Speaker 1: the field pretty easily. I think they outgained the amount
Speaker 1: of the Colts allowed last week. I think they outgained
Speaker 1: him almost entirely through maybe two and a half three quarters.
Speaker 1: So the offense was moving, they were getting past this defense,
Speaker 1: but they also ran into those troubles that you mentioned
Speaker 1: and um and it really came down to basically Philip
Speaker 1: Rivers story and pick six and also getting hit with
Speaker 1: a safety because of a grounding penalty in the end zone.
Speaker 1: That was the difference in the game. Frank Reich said
Speaker 1: he thought Philip Rivers is playing very good, and he's
Speaker 1: the least of my worries after the game when they
Speaker 1: don't don't know what he's gonna say. But i' just
Speaker 1: see someone that you know, I'm with you. I thought
Speaker 1: going into this game, that's why I thought the Browns
Speaker 1: would win, because offense beats defense. In everyone talking about like, oh,
Speaker 1: the Chief's defense, they're pretty frisky. Okay, you give up
Speaker 1: forty points. The Colts defense number one in the league.
Speaker 1: They didn't get a single stop in the first half
Speaker 1: of this game. I know they made some plays and
Speaker 1: they didn't have Darius Leonard, but ultimately good offense beats him.
Speaker 1: And I know you got you guys are picking on
Speaker 1: the running game a little bit. But the test of
Speaker 1: the the ultimate test of a great running team is
Speaker 1: can you run it at the end of the game
Speaker 1: when the other team knows it's coming to win the game?
Speaker 1: And they ran for two first downs? Not just that
Speaker 1: the dearness Johnson won to win the game at the
Speaker 1: end against this defense. That's I know, that's getting like
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler's He's getting him sizzling to have such a
Speaker 1: run heavy Brown's team, I I usually don't like. I
Speaker 1: can't really even look at these games until we get
Speaker 1: out of this show and after Sunday Night Football. Then
Speaker 1: it starts to become reality. Sitting at a desk um
Speaker 1: like doing this and like typing out data points and
Speaker 1: looking at like a hideous Dolphins Niners game at the
Speaker 1: same time at all is very surreal until later in
Speaker 1: the night. The Colts defense, I mean the Colts brutal
Speaker 1: because Baker, as good as his first half was, was
Speaker 1: terrible in the second half. He threw two picks, could
Speaker 1: have been a third. He had a fumble that they recovered,
Speaker 1: and after he got driven to the turf by Justin Houston,
Speaker 1: and he's in a lot of pain, as Mark said,
Speaker 1: uh he is. You know, he was getting X rays.
Speaker 1: After the game. They reported, Um, I don't think he
Speaker 1: could have completed a big pass on that last possession.
Speaker 1: So and with Nick Chubb not playing, and with Baker
Speaker 1: Mayfield maybe not even able to make a throw, you
Speaker 1: let the Ernest Johnson beat you with the twenty eight
Speaker 1: yard run on top of everything else. Frank Roig probably,
Speaker 1: if I had a guess, because he's smart, he is
Speaker 1: trying to head this off at the past because he
Speaker 1: doesn't want to add anything else. Ron Rivera style into
Speaker 1: a potential quarterback controversy. You do have a solid backup
Speaker 1: and Jake Briskett a limited but solid backup. But Rivers
Speaker 1: did not play well. He is one of the biggest
Speaker 1: problems that the Colts have right now. I don't care
Speaker 1: what he told the media, that picks six is one
Speaker 1: of the easier ones you'll ever see in the NFL,
Speaker 1: no doubt. I mean he left that out down the sideline.
Speaker 1: He just has no juice behind his passes these days,
Speaker 1: which is understandable with his age. But for the most part,
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. I mean, it's it's a Colts team
Speaker 1: that this is a game that when we came in,
Speaker 1: we saw the Browns and the Colts each at three
Speaker 1: and one, and we said, okay, well, are either these
Speaker 1: teams for real? Because the Browns had a nice little
Speaker 1: easy patch against a couple of lesser teams than the
Speaker 1: same thing with the Colts. I guess we had an answer,
Speaker 1: but we really won't know for a month or two,
Speaker 1: if not longer. But today the Browns are a better team.
Speaker 1: The NFL is weird like that, but the Browns four
Speaker 1: or five to start season not bad at all. Shook,
Speaker 1: come back and join us on Sunday night football. Okay,
Speaker 1: sounds good. All right, let's move on, Ricky. He throws
Speaker 1: it down the field. Oh that is Chase play pool
Speaker 1: for our Pittsburgh stealer's touchdown. Why open from thirty five
Speaker 1: and Ben kind of new it. Yeah, Oh yeah, I've
Speaker 1: been saying it all day. That's our four times saying it.
Speaker 1: But that's top shelf Canadian bacon and said long, Oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's the Dave damage that football program being attached to
Speaker 1: another Steeler's win. I do love when the color guy
Speaker 1: all you here is like a guttural noise, like where
Speaker 1: did it come from? Was it from the booth, the bedroom,
Speaker 1: the bathroom. Bill Hill Grow with tonch Jilkin for w
Speaker 1: DV The Steelers. Yes, I've done it again. Chase Claypool
Speaker 1: is the latest wide receiver star to be drafted outside
Speaker 1: the first round for the Steelers. His four touchdown day
Speaker 1: the difference for Pittsburgh in a win over the Eagles
Speaker 1: at pines Field. This is the craziest stat of the
Speaker 1: day for New Bols. I don't know how it's possible
Speaker 1: because this span, this exactly spans my lifespan and basically
Speaker 1: as long as I can remember following football, the Steelers
Speaker 1: have been a good team and sometimes great and several
Speaker 1: times super Bowl winning. The Steelers are four and o
Speaker 1: for the first time in forty years. Okay, what I
Speaker 1: not a great season? Some of those fourty years, I
Speaker 1: I that threw me. That threw me comprehensively. And you
Speaker 1: know when, with a few tweets, most people were like what,
Speaker 1: because look, I understand they struggled before their dynasties rose
Speaker 1: up in the fifties and sixties and all that business.
Speaker 1: But like there, there you have your patriots. If you're
Speaker 1: a Jets fan dealing with the Steelers since like the eighties,
Speaker 1: you're telling me they never started four No, I like
Speaker 1: completely didn't buy that when I first saw it. Um,
Speaker 1: But back to the game. Yeah, So just an awesome
Speaker 1: performance by Claypool, who is a beast. And this came
Speaker 1: in the same game that the anti Deante Johnson, another
Speaker 1: highly touted wide receiver, was unable to finish the game. Uh,
Speaker 1: he had another injury. So uh it helps to have
Speaker 1: the depth that they have in Claypool will continue to
Speaker 1: play big snaps here, second round pick out of Notre Dame,
Speaker 1: and I mean think about it, got Mike Wallace, Antonio Brown, Martevis,
Speaker 1: Brian Juju Smith Schuster, James Washington, Deante Washington, all the James.
Speaker 1: Uh what I said, Deante Johnson, Uh, they just have
Speaker 1: an uncanny neck. So that's what I take away from
Speaker 1: this game on the Steeler side, just how they continue
Speaker 1: to populate that roster and that offensive side of the
Speaker 1: football with playmakers and and Ben Roethlisberger. For all the
Speaker 1: doubts around him in the off season, he is just
Speaker 1: as good, if not better, right now than he was
Speaker 1: before the elbow injury. He's just playing. There's none of
Speaker 1: those reckless and I know the schedule has been a
Speaker 1: little bit soft and it's been a weird year, but
Speaker 1: he's just been so smart with the football and on
Speaker 1: target and just running the whole scheme with ease and
Speaker 1: the defense. It was not very good today for the Steelers,
Speaker 1: and especially when you think about what the Eagles have
Speaker 1: going on their issues that they make Travis Falgum look
Speaker 1: like Jerry rice In in this game ten for one,
Speaker 1: fifty two and a touchdown UM, So that tells you
Speaker 1: kind of that they had some breakdowns themselves and they
Speaker 1: struggled um to get stops and put this game away.
Speaker 1: They were up thirty one ten Pittsburgh was and the
Speaker 1: Eagles had a fifty nine yard field goal attempt late
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter with the chance to take the
Speaker 1: lead before a miss and then a final Claypool touchdown
Speaker 1: for the final score. So yeah, the Steelers four and
Speaker 1: oh defense a little bump in the road, but the
Speaker 1: offense humming at a high power right now, and I
Speaker 1: just think that they are absolutely in the conversation is
Speaker 1: the best team in the a f C. It's funny
Speaker 1: because every game they've had has been so similar where
Speaker 1: their fans and you know, their coaches will probably say
Speaker 1: we didn't play a complete game, that it was close
Speaker 1: like about midway through the fourth quarter, but then you
Speaker 1: score the decisive important touchdown to win it, and to me,
Speaker 1: I think, like, well, that's that's that's a good way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you want to blow teams out, but they are getting
Speaker 1: in the habit of making game winning plays in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter. On both sides of the ball. The secondary
Speaker 1: has not been great this year, but I think he
Speaker 1: made a great point. Then on Roethlisberger. I've heard some
Speaker 1: like people picking him a little bit this year, but
Speaker 1: I think the decision making has been the difference. I'm
Speaker 1: with you. He has not been making those dumb throws.
Speaker 1: He's been just going for what's there, and uh, he's
Speaker 1: played really well, just kind of keeping them on schedule.
Speaker 1: He's looked great in the games I saw before this week.
Speaker 1: But the one little area, and I wonder if today,
Speaker 1: you know, just proved that to be a small sample size.
Speaker 1: Some of his deep shots. His deeper passes were seemed
Speaker 1: to be kind of like overthrows, just more off off
Speaker 1: target than I'm used to with Big Ben. But it
Speaker 1: wasn't a ton of throws. I don't know, was he
Speaker 1: td did he solve that? That didn't register to me
Speaker 1: that he was struggling with his deep ball, but maybe
Speaker 1: on a closer watch I would see that. I thought,
Speaker 1: you know, he led the offense. It was also another
Speaker 1: weird stat. It was the first time the Steelers had
Speaker 1: scored thirty points and something like eighteen games or so
Speaker 1: they I mean last year was last year obviously plays
Speaker 1: a big part of that, but that also, of course
Speaker 1: carried back to the end of the review season with
Speaker 1: Big Ben. So I thought, you're gonna say since nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy nine, and it's like, what what have I been
Speaker 1: watching for the past? Heads explode Carson Wentz. By the way,
Speaker 1: I'll just make this last comment. Uh, he threw two
Speaker 1: more interceptions now and and I believe he has nine,
Speaker 1: which is now well passed his total from sixteen games
Speaker 1: last year. But if you watch this game after a
Speaker 1: very slow start, um, you could start to see the
Speaker 1: old Carson Wentz starting to come out, and he started
Speaker 1: getting comfortable and he developed that rapport. Like I said
Speaker 1: with Fulgum, who might be a guy. He might be
Speaker 1: a guy. And when Jalen Rager comes back, maybe they
Speaker 1: have one too. And then you got zach Ertz and
Speaker 1: Sean Jackson's maybe a week await. They need the old
Speaker 1: zach Ertz to show up. And Lane Johnson gets hurt.
Speaker 1: Even like every Eagles game, someone else great gets hurt.
Speaker 1: So even when you have some good things happen, it's like, uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: and it would be good to get the other type
Speaker 1: tight end back to. I guess I'm out out on
Speaker 1: waiting for DeShawn Jackson to come back and make an impact.
Speaker 1: That just kind of been in two games over the
Speaker 1: last two two or three games over the last two seasons.
Speaker 1: Every year it's the same thing on the injury report.
Speaker 1: He might be practicing, please exactly. It's exhausting, and uh,
Speaker 1: for the Eagles, obviously this was a big day for them. Uh,
Speaker 1: you don't want to look at it that way, but
Speaker 1: this is a results human business. And Dak Prescott's out
Speaker 1: for the year, so you are in good position potentially
Speaker 1: still a win your division. But guess what they got
Speaker 1: the Ravens next week. So they gotta figure in a
Speaker 1: way to win some of these games. Right now, they
Speaker 1: are not. Let's move on. Brow throws to his left.
Speaker 1: It is complete to Mike Thomas. Thomas fumbles the ball.
Speaker 1: The Ravens happening scooped up at midfield. It's Patrick Queen
Speaker 1: down a sideline. He's still at twenty. That's Ted fine
Speaker 1: touch the raven Patrick Queen eight twenty one lefts gonna
Speaker 1: play the heyes of the bar. Nice job, Sandusky w
Speaker 1: b a L. It's called Patrick Queen stepped in front
Speaker 1: of a Joe Burrow pass. Speaking of a C North
Speaker 1: teams that just know what they're doing. Uh. Queen stepped
Speaker 1: in front of the past took it to the house.
Speaker 1: Another impact defensive play for the Ravens and three win
Speaker 1: over the Bengals. Queen also forced the fumble by Borrow,
Speaker 1: his old l s U teammate. Just another direct hit
Speaker 1: in the first round by the Ravens. Greg This one
Speaker 1: didn't look competitive from the outside. No, it wasn't at
Speaker 1: all at the Ravens defense, and that was Marlon Humphrey,
Speaker 1: who made one of the best players I've seen all
Speaker 1: year holding a guy up and then punching it out
Speaker 1: for Queen to to return at Humphrey has done that
Speaker 1: in three straight games. He just got a huge contract.
Speaker 1: He's one of the best cornerbacks in the league. He
Speaker 1: did that, forces fumbles on the REGs since three in
Speaker 1: a row now, and their defense played as good a
Speaker 1: defensive game as any team all year. Maybe the Rams
Speaker 1: today were in that mix to fifteen quarterback hits, seven sacks,
Speaker 1: nine tackles for loss. They gave up seven points or
Speaker 1: no three points. They scored seven points. They set up
Speaker 1: another seven points with a turnover in the red zone.
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow was hit every single time he dropped back,
Speaker 1: and early on it was on the communication and it
Speaker 1: was on the offensive line, but probably about midway through
Speaker 1: the second quarter, some of it was just on Joe
Speaker 1: Burrow having a rookie day and holding the ball forever
Speaker 1: when they're sending pressure, and even when they blocked it
Speaker 1: up sometimes he was just holding it and taking hits
Speaker 1: and no one's open and it was just a blood bath.
Speaker 1: You felt. I felt bad watching the Bengals offense in
Speaker 1: this game. They could have they could have had like
Speaker 1: twenty drives. They wouldn't have scored. It's a reminder away
Speaker 1: from those in Cincinnati. But I guess it could happen
Speaker 1: when you got a rookie quarterback. These things could happen
Speaker 1: against great teams. Yeah, because I mean last week was
Speaker 1: so we you know, the Bengals protected Burrow a little
Speaker 1: bit better, maybe the offensive line can figure out their
Speaker 1: act to some degree. Um, not the case. And it's
Speaker 1: it's a really rough division. Um. Every division is rough
Speaker 1: to be a rookie quarterback. But when you're dealing with
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh's front and Baltimore's, I mean, they're gonna teach you
Speaker 1: lessons that are to be hard to forget. And you
Speaker 1: just worry about anyone in Joe Burrow's position, where you
Speaker 1: say where you're starting to make rookie mistakes, Like, I mean,
Speaker 1: this is a heady quarterback. You can do it all.
Speaker 1: But when you're getting knocked around playoff to play game
Speaker 1: after game, I mean, you could be a shell of
Speaker 1: yourself by late December. It could be a really long season.
Speaker 1: And to be clear, his mistakes were really just kind
Speaker 1: of holding it and in decision, not knowing what he
Speaker 1: was seeing, and then taking some hits sometimes trying to
Speaker 1: make a play and then taking a hit at the
Speaker 1: end of the game. And it's a brutal game for
Speaker 1: the Bengals because they ended up losing DJ Reader, their
Speaker 1: big free agent signing. It sounds like for the season.
Speaker 1: A J. Green left with a hamstring at this point. Um,
Speaker 1: that's I don't think that really hurts the way their
Speaker 1: offense was going. Sam Hubbard also, who's played really well
Speaker 1: on their defensive line, got hurt, and that one looked
Speaker 1: a little dicey. Their defense played amazing. I know, I know,
Speaker 1: it's hard to imagine that this was one of the
Speaker 1: worst games of Lamar Jackson's career. I think he I
Speaker 1: think he would admit that. That's two in a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks. He had three yards rushing. He could have
Speaker 1: had about four or five interceptions. They struggled to move
Speaker 1: the ball. I think they scored I counted it up.
Speaker 1: They had ten drives you know that started not you know,
Speaker 1: not in the red zone. They had one that you know,
Speaker 1: they kind of got a layup, and they scored thirteen
Speaker 1: points in those drives. The in the in the one
Speaker 1: touchdown they had they had to really work hard for
Speaker 1: on like a fifteen play drive. So the Bagels defense
Speaker 1: actually played great in this game and has played better
Speaker 1: this year, but then they lose three starters and there's
Speaker 1: not much good to feel it. But there's a number
Speaker 1: of games you could point to with Baltimore now where
Speaker 1: it's huh, they just don't look themselves. They don't look
Speaker 1: as explosive, and then their stars aren't on offense operating
Speaker 1: to that degree. I mean, we asked a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago, you know, and they Lamar Jackson was asked like,
Speaker 1: as your offense been diagnosed, and he said, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: sort of the Titans thing like this other you know,
Speaker 1: another team came in and did the same thing. Is
Speaker 1: there any of that that seems like it's carrying over?
Speaker 1: Was it just a bad game? Yeah? I think they
Speaker 1: shut them down. The fact that they shut down their
Speaker 1: running games so easily. The only runs they had was
Speaker 1: like a Devin duverne Um kind of trick play early.
Speaker 1: It's putting a lot of pressure on the passing game
Speaker 1: and that's been a little erratic. Let's move. Here's a
Speaker 1: play Fax sets up to throw. He's going vertical deep
Speaker 1: down the left side, and it's Robert Woods to catch
Speaker 1: it to twenty, he goes in touchdown, l A, you
Speaker 1: wanted more top shell serving there. It was from Sean McVeigh,
Speaker 1: Jared Goff and the Rams. That's a pro. That's a bro,
Speaker 1: who's a pro. JB long with a call where KSPN
Speaker 1: Jared Goff through two touchdowns, including that long strike to
Speaker 1: Robert Woods, and Aaron Donald's matched a career high with
Speaker 1: four sacks as the room, I mean, can we appreciate
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald Donald's greatness as the Rams coasted to a
Speaker 1: thirty to ten win over the Washington football team. L
Speaker 1: A needed just five games this season to complete a
Speaker 1: sweep of the NFC East Mark. I'm guessing the Rams
Speaker 1: are a little more and to watch this week compared
Speaker 1: to last Sunday slog in the Swamps of Jersey. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it was there were three teams in this game.
Speaker 1: It was it was Washington the Rams and like the
Speaker 1: hideous rainstorm that you know, basically changed this into one
Speaker 1: of those games where it's hard to kind of evaluate
Speaker 1: what was happening to I like, I like weird weather
Speaker 1: as much as the next person, but it didn't help um.
Speaker 1: The second quarterback that came in the game for Washington,
Speaker 1: it was the story of the day. For me. It
Speaker 1: was Kyle Allen got a helmet to helmet hit with
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey and was removed from the game, and Alex
Speaker 1: Smith came in. I don't know if we have the
Speaker 1: sound of that, but if we don't, I can just
Speaker 1: tell you that it was. You can find it all
Speaker 1: over the place. It was a pretty amazing emotional moment
Speaker 1: and one of those things that I, you know, I
Speaker 1: can be pretty cynical about the NFL and football in general,
Speaker 1: but it kind of cut through a lot of that
Speaker 1: because there were the scenes of Elizabeth um Smith and
Speaker 1: their young children up in the stands. You know, they
Speaker 1: had a few fans in there, and just uh. I
Speaker 1: think Erica Ricky tweeted that it was as gripping and
Speaker 1: kind of anxiety um written to watch Elizabeth Smith responding
Speaker 1: to every play, and one of the reasons was that
Speaker 1: you're dealing with Aaron Donald on the other side, and
Speaker 1: it's like, you want Alex Smith to have a nice
Speaker 1: game where he doesn't get please, no one hurt him
Speaker 1: and just let him operate, and instead Aaron Donald, you know,
Speaker 1: is becoming an absolute nightmare. They had eight sacks, as
Speaker 1: you mentioned, I mean, it was a really rough game
Speaker 1: for the Redskin. For the Washington offense, they just they
Speaker 1: they've got a long way to go. And at one
Speaker 1: point Kyle Allen was healthy enough to come back, and
Speaker 1: Ron Rivera refused to do that. But Alex Smith, you know,
Speaker 1: for he had about thirty seven yards passing in this game.
Speaker 1: I mean, their offense has many issues. Weather was a factor.
Speaker 1: Um it was a nice return. But this is another
Speaker 1: one of these NFC East teams that's you know, telling
Speaker 1: themselves we're gonna win the division and we'll have probably
Speaker 1: two wins by the end of October, but we still
Speaker 1: have a chance to win one of the worst divisions
Speaker 1: we've ever witnessed with our eyes. Everyone is was the
Speaker 1: same way really since the injury to Smith, which was
Speaker 1: almost two years ago. Alex Smith, and you know how
Speaker 1: gruesome it was, and then the ESPN Special Project eleven
Speaker 1: I believe it was called, where you just saw the
Speaker 1: how um insane the recovery process was, how he almost
Speaker 1: lost his life, and then when he gets activated and
Speaker 1: moved up to backup quarterback this week, there is that
Speaker 1: feeling of kind of nerves around it because now everyone's
Speaker 1: invested in this idea of this guy completing this comeback.
Speaker 1: But also like, now that we've seen the documentary, we've
Speaker 1: been following the story, we know that he has a wife,
Speaker 1: we know he has kids, we know he's a nice guy,
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, my goodness. So you know, on Twitter,
Speaker 1: I had no no viewpoint on this game other than
Speaker 1: what was going on in my tweet deck. It was
Speaker 1: like all of football Twitter was like, um, Apollo Creed's
Speaker 1: wife in Rocky four when we see her in the
Speaker 1: crowd one he's fighting Apollo create fighting Vrago, and you
Speaker 1: just see her getting more and more nervous, and then
Speaker 1: I could I'm only imagine that's how like random football
Speaker 1: fans feel. And then this woman, Elizabeth Smith, I believe
Speaker 1: she's actually on camera reacting to this moment in real time,
Speaker 1: and apparently, according again to Twitter, one of the first snaps,
Speaker 1: he takes Aaron Donald, who's you know, six ft three
Speaker 1: pounds of pure muscle, jumps on his back and puts
Speaker 1: all that pressure on the on the rod in his leg.
Speaker 1: My goodness. Well, and and he hadn't been experiencing contact
Speaker 1: and practice. So that's the first hit he took in
Speaker 1: six hundred ninety three days. So welcome back to the NFL.
Speaker 1: And I mean, if you want an NFC East champion,
Speaker 1: how about the Rams. They've just swept the NFC East, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, the the numbers for this game are outrageous.
Speaker 1: Washington had fifty two plays, they gained a hundred and
Speaker 1: eight yards. So that's that's that's in the that's in
Speaker 1: the clubhouse. That has a chance to be the worst
Speaker 1: off into performance in NFL team has all season to
Speaker 1: average one point eight yards per pass play um. That's insane.
Speaker 1: So we couldn't have been a tougher spot for Alex
Speaker 1: Smith to come into mark. Did we get a Ron
Speaker 1: rivera white flag moment for the fourth straight week. Did
Speaker 1: he do something that clearly and you know, telegraph that
Speaker 1: he wasn't trying to win on any level. I mean,
Speaker 1: the whole game looks like they weren't trying to win
Speaker 1: on any level. But it's you know, I do think
Speaker 1: that you know you're onto your third quarterback. What happens
Speaker 1: to these teams? It doesn't go well, And it looked
Speaker 1: like a team that's disorganized on that side of the
Speaker 1: ball is to two incredible heights in If Aaron Donald
Speaker 1: was a quarterback and did similar things, he'd be the
Speaker 1: biggest star in America. He plays on the defensive line,
Speaker 1: so it's different. But four sacks today, like I said,
Speaker 1: three tackles for loss, three quarterback hits. He leads the
Speaker 1: NFL seven and a half sacks this season, He's on
Speaker 1: pace for twenty four sacks and longtime listeners in the show, No,
Speaker 1: there's one thing that I want more than even the
Speaker 1: Jets being respectable again, and that is the NFL all
Speaker 1: time sack record to get its dignity back after the
Speaker 1: evil Brett Farve slid at the feet of Michael Strahan
Speaker 1: and in the most heinous act of two thousand one.
Speaker 1: I like to call it takes take I said what
Speaker 1: I said, take back the dignity of the sack record,
Speaker 1: because that's I think that's the last thing Aaron Donald
Speaker 1: needs to maybe get more love, is get the sexiest
Speaker 1: stat record that a defender can have. I know nobody
Speaker 1: thinks sacks are important sometimes, but that comes with some glory.
Speaker 1: I hope it happens because it would just be another
Speaker 1: notch on the belt of an all time great. Let's
Speaker 1: move on, let's come and gets it off to the
Speaker 1: last minute. Take to touch that Preston William cry hit
Speaker 1: right in the chest and puts the right on the money.
Speaker 1: It's what a beautiful prowl. What a day for Ryan Fitzpatrick,
Speaker 1: Jimmy Cephalo w q A M with Jason Taylor. Jayson Taylor,
Speaker 1: how about that fitz magic refuses to be contained. Three
Speaker 1: days after the old zuser predictive, Ryan Fitzpatrick would making
Speaker 1: his final start before two a time. The Harvard grad
Speaker 1: through for three fifty yards and three touchdowns with a
Speaker 1: nearly perfect passer rating and a forty three to seventeen
Speaker 1: destruction of the forty Niners, who apparently aren't as close
Speaker 1: to take off as this podcast thought. Greg. The big
Speaker 1: story after this game was Jimmy g benched at halftime
Speaker 1: after an ugly two quarters. Here's what Kyle Shanna and
Speaker 1: had to say after the game. I mean, just the
Speaker 1: way the whole game was going. I mean just kind
Speaker 1: of watching how we were playing as a whole, how
Speaker 1: he was playing. You can tell he was affected by
Speaker 1: his ankle. I mean, you can ask him more when
Speaker 1: he gets in, but I know he doesn't normally throw
Speaker 1: the ball that way, and I think he was struggling
Speaker 1: a little bit because of it and the way the
Speaker 1: game was going that I was gonna keep putting them
Speaker 1: in those positions and no one, We're gonna have to
Speaker 1: throw it a lot to come back. Did you sense that,
Speaker 1: Greg in the first two quarters, that he was not
Speaker 1: being able to play at a level that would be
Speaker 1: conducive to success. Yes, his throws were off target. You know,
Speaker 1: It's not like he was limping around there, but the
Speaker 1: ball was fluttering. He ended up seven for seventeen for
Speaker 1: seventies seven yards in two picks. I I found the
Speaker 1: ended sequence of that first half incredible, fascinating. They got
Speaker 1: the ball back with about thirty seconds left right after
Speaker 1: uh you know, the Dolphins had scored to go up
Speaker 1: seven after Jimmy Garoppolo through one of the worst interceptions
Speaker 1: anyone's throw it all year. That was awful. Uh So,
Speaker 1: then Jimmy Garoppolo gets the ball, throws it for no
Speaker 1: gain on first down, got seventy five yards to go.
Speaker 1: He couldn't be playing worset. Kyle so Inahan takes a
Speaker 1: time out right there. It says like in a kind
Speaker 1: of in a kind of like we we want to
Speaker 1: go score, and it almost felt like he was testing Garoppolo,
Speaker 1: like what do I have right now with Jimmy g
Speaker 1: in this game, and that the announcers were like apoplectic.
Speaker 1: Throws on second down, bad throw throws again on third down. Again,
Speaker 1: all you gotta do is run the ball and go
Speaker 1: to half time if you want. And he throws maybe
Speaker 1: an even worse interception than he did the first time. Now,
Speaker 1: these were terrible throws. They were also they were even
Speaker 1: worse decisions. Garoppolo just seemed scrambled. But I thought that
Speaker 1: was a really interesting coaching moment because I really do
Speaker 1: think he was kind of putting Garoppolo on the spot
Speaker 1: deciding what he was gonna do for the rest of
Speaker 1: the game. And uh, I think he was smart to
Speaker 1: take him out because their offensive line, now that's two
Speaker 1: straight weeks where their communication isn't there, and that's been
Speaker 1: a big part of the problem, along with the quarterback play.
Speaker 1: They're only touchdown with Garoppolo came on a drive where
Speaker 1: they literally didn't throw the ball. It's crazy. I was like,
Speaker 1: I want to get to the Dolphins, but I was
Speaker 1: I was thinking they were going to manage this part
Speaker 1: of the schedule well enough and then get all their
Speaker 1: players back. I think the last two weeks other than Dallas,
Speaker 1: has been worse for the forty Niners than than any
Speaker 1: team in the league because they just lost to the
Speaker 1: Eagles and the Dolphins in this fashion, and now their
Speaker 1: schedule gets absolutely brutal. Rams, Patriots, Seahawks, Um Bucks, the
Speaker 1: Packers are in there, the Bucks in a row, and
Speaker 1: we and we glbally kind of set up going into
Speaker 1: this game like, oh, it actually kind of worked out
Speaker 1: for the forty Niners because Nick Molans stunk out the
Speaker 1: joint in Week four. But now it clears the path
Speaker 1: through Jimmy G and it clears any potential controversy. Now
Speaker 1: Jimmy G will go back to being an efficient passer
Speaker 1: and the Niners offense will go back to being one
Speaker 1: of the top um attacks with the great Kyle Shanahan. Well,
Speaker 1: none of that works if Jimmy G is either ineffective
Speaker 1: or injured or both, because then it all implodes on
Speaker 1: itself because then you have a compromise Jimmy G. You
Speaker 1: have Nick Mullins throwing the ball all over the place,
Speaker 1: and then you have beat Hard going in there for
Speaker 1: the second consecutive week. Who is not gonna win any
Speaker 1: titles either. Yeah, but I mean like that, it doesn't
Speaker 1: change what I think about Kyle Shanahan for instance. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is another team onto their third quarterback, and like you,
Speaker 1: they they gave Jimmy G a monster contract based on
Speaker 1: a small but completely fascinating sample size. That was a
Speaker 1: calculated risk, and Jimmy G had some really good games
Speaker 1: last year. He takes them to the super Bowl. But
Speaker 1: I think there's this sense that we've never really gotten
Speaker 1: that Jimmy G since well he he wasn't healthy enough.
Speaker 1: I don't think to play today. So I think that
Speaker 1: was a bad decision or whatever it was. Um, that's
Speaker 1: a problem for them, I do. I know Dolphins fans
Speaker 1: are out there thinking, like talk about us, I really
Speaker 1: want to because this Sometimes blowouts are fun. I I
Speaker 1: I stand by that take. This was a fun blowout
Speaker 1: to watch. They blew the doors off him. I it
Speaker 1: was as good a performance as any team I think
Speaker 1: has had on both sides of the ball. I know,
Speaker 1: I know the competition. San Francisco is banged up in
Speaker 1: the secondary, but Fitzpatrick saw that every time Robert Salah
Speaker 1: tried to cook something up and he left his cornerbacks
Speaker 1: out there one on one. Fitzpatrick said, Okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: bomb it on you, and every time it was right
Speaker 1: on the money. And Henry Hotson's boy Preston Williams is
Speaker 1: making plays, Davante Parker's played like a number one receiver. Uh.
Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick's throws in this game, we're just like amazing. And
Speaker 1: Flores is throwing once they get ahead in terms of
Speaker 1: the down and in terms of the game. He's so
Speaker 1: good with those blitzes and people don't know where it's
Speaker 1: coming from. And it was just kind of wild to
Speaker 1: just see them stomping out the even deep into the
Speaker 1: second half, like they're doing fake punts up like to score.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, it was It was a
Speaker 1: lot of fun in this Dolphins team there well coached that.
Speaker 1: I mean, they know how to do in this they
Speaker 1: know how to put people away. Mean, what will Dolphins
Speaker 1: fans do when Miami in the off season decides to
Speaker 1: trade to UH and sign a d aging Ryan Fitzpatrick
Speaker 1: to a seven year contract. He seems to be getting
Speaker 1: younger and more ferocious and more lovable by the week. Well,
Speaker 1: that with the whole schedule change, they have the Jets
Speaker 1: next week, so they got a pretty good chance um
Speaker 1: to go to three. And oh and I apologize to
Speaker 1: Chan Gaily for everything I said about you know, I
Speaker 1: think at one point you said that he hadn't been
Speaker 1: an offensive coordinator since Byron Jones being back for the
Speaker 1: Dolphins changes their defense by the way, He's kind of
Speaker 1: their Gilmore and it sets up everything else and and there.
Speaker 1: I think they could be a problem. Maybe I'm overreacting,
Speaker 1: but I really do. Here's the stat that a lot
Speaker 1: of good stats today. Here's one that is another stunny one.
Speaker 1: It speaks to the times and how you know, passing
Speaker 1: is much more hyper driven than it used to be,
Speaker 1: but still according to uh Pro Football Reference, which is peerless.
Speaker 1: Please visit Pro Football Reference, and they're not paying me
Speaker 1: for it. Today is Ryan Fitzpatrick's twelfth game with three
Speaker 1: plus yards passing and three plus tds passing John Elway's
Speaker 1: career total. That is outrageous. I have one more crazy
Speaker 1: staff for there are people who believe John always the
Speaker 1: best quarterback ever, just you know, heads up, so insane.
Speaker 1: I have one more crazy stat. I just I have
Speaker 1: to bring up that. Yeah, Tim Posty looked in the mirror,
Speaker 1: locked up the nine point favorite forty Niners here and
Speaker 1: extended her winless straight. And I just want to I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to bury, but I'm just trying to imagine
Speaker 1: a situation where the situation was reversed, and I'm I'm
Speaker 1: going to be much kinder than Erica would be to
Speaker 1: me in that situation. What's happening a lot from for words,
Speaker 1: like when I flipped over to the game and saw
Speaker 1: what was happening, I literally, I think on the network,
Speaker 1: I was like, if the if the watch the Dolphins
Speaker 1: win this, like I'm gonna have to drive my car
Speaker 1: off a cliff. And I was like I said that
Speaker 1: on TV, like nothing within like thirty five seconds. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, it is. It is. I I don't even
Speaker 1: know what to say. It's getting special now I think
Speaker 1: you should lean into it. And it's getting getting important.
Speaker 1: How about this way? I'll go from this angle, Greg,
Speaker 1: we don't condone this, although I know the restrictions of
Speaker 1: loosened up in our country, Um, but we don't condone this.
Speaker 1: And you know sometimes you know, suspensions could come out
Speaker 1: of nowhere. So I just want to be careful of
Speaker 1: the wording here. But if you're not watching our Thursday
Speaker 1: program or either listening to our Thursday podcast or watching
Speaker 1: our NFL Network preview show on Saturday mornings where Ricky
Speaker 1: makes her Lock of the week, if you're someone that's
Speaker 1: looking to make some money, you're like, eric is telling
Speaker 1: you who's gonna win. She's not picking the winner, but
Speaker 1: she's telling you what's going to happen. She's like a
Speaker 1: reverse Biff from Back to the Future. Too, is unbelievable,
Speaker 1: Like I got I got s h I T from
Speaker 1: people online being like you locked up the forty niners,
Speaker 1: Like how cool? Like so I thought, like people are
Speaker 1: getting mad at me saying that, like, oh, you really
Speaker 1: stooped low to get a win. But Erica, I mean
Speaker 1: I have to ask you. Your dad was ready to
Speaker 1: unplug cable and not have that extra expense. He's kept
Speaker 1: NFL Networks simply to hear you make these picks and
Speaker 1: you know you are. Is he disappointed? A little embarrassed?
Speaker 1: I haven't talked to him today. Your dad had to
Speaker 1: sell off one of his helicopters to have that direct TVs. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's get onto the jets. Game, Dan, all right, let's
Speaker 1: move on. Dot Dom snapped to Kyler Murk from the
Speaker 1: pockets date pass side going for Hopkins touch. DeAndre Hopkins
Speaker 1: was blanketed by a Jet, but it don't matter. Hopkins
Speaker 1: makes the catch and the Cardinals may have just put
Speaker 1: the Jets to slay Go Dave pass with a call
Speaker 1: kat a r. Kyler Murray's at a career high an
Speaker 1: eighty yards passing, and the Cardinals coasting to a thirty
Speaker 1: to ten win over Joe Flacco and the New York Jets.
Speaker 1: Another blowout for New York Mark. There's been cause for
Speaker 1: concern and about this Arizona attack in recent weeks. Are
Speaker 1: the Jets is the perfect remedy for any team in
Speaker 1: need of a fix. They're a perfect remedy because here's
Speaker 1: a team, uh you know, we know their Jets are
Speaker 1: not good, but they're specializing and it almost just not
Speaker 1: showing up early on in a game like this. Two straight,
Speaker 1: three and ounce. Their third drive is a five play,
Speaker 1: fifteen yard march that ends nowhere three straight punts. The
Speaker 1: next march they get down to the Arizona thirteen thirteen
Speaker 1: yard line. It is a third down call, third and
Speaker 1: short they hand the ball off to a third string
Speaker 1: tight end named Trevin westco for no game, so in fashion,
Speaker 1: they go for it on fourth and one. Levan Bell
Speaker 1: stuffed turnover on downs. And here's the thing. I don't
Speaker 1: think Arizona looked very very good in this game until
Speaker 1: the offense opened up down the stretch. I know that
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray through for more yards than he has in
Speaker 1: any other game. You can watch this and tell me
Speaker 1: if it looked that way. I still see an offer
Speaker 1: is trying to figure out how they can be what
Speaker 1: they want to be. And Kyler Murray, um, he's gonna
Speaker 1: do Kyler Murray things. And I mean they are giving
Speaker 1: the ball to DeAndre Hopkins at an incredible rate at
Speaker 1: this point in Hopkins had a Hopkins game down the stretch.
Speaker 1: And you know that you didn't have to do much
Speaker 1: against this Jets team. But I would look at the
Speaker 1: Cardinals to me, are not that fun to watch, um
Speaker 1: just from a if you're just sitting there casually checking
Speaker 1: them out. Compared to what I thought they would be.
Speaker 1: I think they've got a ways to go. Um Kenyan
Speaker 1: Drake to me is a hot and cold act. I mean,
Speaker 1: they're just you know it's it's October, and they do
Speaker 1: not look like a finished product. And they might have
Speaker 1: lost Chandler Jones for the season. That's probably the biggest
Speaker 1: thing that came out of it for them. WHOA, So
Speaker 1: that's another big one. So you get you get Kirk
Speaker 1: and Edmonds and more involved, which I think people wanted
Speaker 1: to see. You get twenty eight first downs, but losing Jones. Look,
Speaker 1: this is a team that's only won eight games um
Speaker 1: in the last two seasons combined. So being three and two,
Speaker 1: you don't sneeze at that. But yeah, I think the
Speaker 1: ceiling feels a little lower than than we thought with
Speaker 1: this Cardinals. And if you listen to our preview show,
Speaker 1: for the first time in my ten years in NFL media,
Speaker 1: I did not draft the Jets in the preview. I
Speaker 1: didn't watch them really on Sunday. Wasn't it better I
Speaker 1: had in the corner of my eye. It was a
Speaker 1: much better experience, But obviously not I'm not gonna, you know,
Speaker 1: fill out a dossier like West did and quit on
Speaker 1: the Jets, but I'm not gonna watch them if it's
Speaker 1: an Adam Gays coached team with Joe Flacco at quarterback,
Speaker 1: there's nothing there for me to learn. There's no entertainment
Speaker 1: to be had, and I much rather watch the Steelers
Speaker 1: and Eagles and the Raiders and Chiefs in the early
Speaker 1: slot at just the way it's gonna be. The Jets
Speaker 1: have failed, and I've I've said this too many times
Speaker 1: over the past five or six years on this podcast. Now,
Speaker 1: the Jets are failing and their only real job is
Speaker 1: to provide entertainment to the fans that pump millions and
Speaker 1: millions of dollars into their enterprise. They can't even put
Speaker 1: a competitive team on the field. UM, So why should
Speaker 1: any Jets fans support them? Um? And I choose to
Speaker 1: support them from a distance. I support Sam Donald and
Speaker 1: I want to see him back on the field and
Speaker 1: hopefully he'll be back on the field next week, although
Speaker 1: that's no given. But here's before we throw it in
Speaker 1: the next game, just some stats to tell you how
Speaker 1: bad this team is, because this is the worst Jets
Speaker 1: team I've ever seen, and then includes co tight Jets. Uh.
Speaker 1: They've been outscored one six to seventy five. They've lost
Speaker 1: every game by two or more possessions. Their offenses scored
Speaker 1: more than seventeen points once their defense is allowed at
Speaker 1: least twenty seven points every game. That from Connor Hughes
Speaker 1: of the Athletic Dark Dark Days and Bill Parcels ain't
Speaker 1: walking through that door. Let's move on on. Starting four,
Speaker 1: Atlanta blitz is Joe Brady bridge Water goes left wing,
Speaker 1: con hit the yard line, down the sideline more forty
Speaker 1: to the thirty. D J. Moore's got a convoy and
Speaker 1: he'll social distance into the end zone for a touchdown
Speaker 1: because of course gone right down the tunnel. He continue
Speaker 1: to find right on the site. What a great value,
Speaker 1: what a great I needed. It's bringing me, bring me
Speaker 1: back to light, bringing me, bring me back to light.
Speaker 1: Please come, come, Come, Come come. Mcmixing with the called
Speaker 1: w BT. Denny Bridgewater delivered another solid performance and d J.
Speaker 1: Moore and Robby Anderson could find for more than two
Speaker 1: yards receiving including that long more TV and a twenty
Speaker 1: three to sixteen win for the Panthers over the house
Speaker 1: cleaning Atlanta Falcons. That's three wins in a row for
Speaker 1: Matt Rules Panthers without Christian McCaffrey. And we're gonna get
Speaker 1: to the Panthers and give them they're just Dukes. They're
Speaker 1: playing very well right now. But let's start with the
Speaker 1: big news that came down Sunday night the Atlanta Falcons,
Speaker 1: something that a lot of people were expecting to happen,
Speaker 1: maybe even sooner than this, but it happens now. After
Speaker 1: Week five, Dan Quinn out as head coach. The team
Speaker 1: has also fired long time g M Thomas Demetrough. That
Speaker 1: leaves CEO Rich McKay in charge of the football operations.
Speaker 1: Welcome back Nick Shook as well. Uh start here, Shook.
Speaker 1: The Falcons, they just they needed to win. They couldn't
Speaker 1: get it with They couldn't get it going this season,
Speaker 1: and uh, Quinn saved his job with a strong finished
Speaker 1: last year, but there was no saving at this time around. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean it's a situation where things were kind of
Speaker 1: about to go off. The rails are pretty close, and
Speaker 1: um this this appeared to be the final blow, uh
Speaker 1: in that pursuit. It's kind of sad because the Falcons
Speaker 1: last year, you know, they finished the season pretty strong
Speaker 1: and looked like they were promising and maybe they be
Speaker 1: able to turn a corner going into this year and
Speaker 1: they just haven't been able to do it. I mean,
Speaker 1: whether it's been blowing leads, which they've done twice, or
Speaker 1: just just not putting together strong performances. Um, it just
Speaker 1: hasn't reflected well on it. Well, they do that every year.
Speaker 1: Finished strong. It's the story of that dan Quinn era.
Speaker 1: Start bad, finished strong, not overcome you're in juries, and
Speaker 1: it's tough. You feel for him. He's obviously a good dude.
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn and Thomas Dimitroff took over in two thousand
Speaker 1: and eight. First draft pick was Matt Ryan. You do
Speaker 1: wonder about his future. Um Dimitrof, you know, led them
Speaker 1: to easily the best twelve years in the franchise history.
Speaker 1: It's not even close. But Arthur Blank, who's at the game,
Speaker 1: of course, he comes down at the sideline. How can
Speaker 1: he not help but compare his sideline to the Panthers
Speaker 1: who have a brand new head coaching staff, and they're
Speaker 1: much more efficient and well run on offense. And then
Speaker 1: I think about the Panthers defense, who lost four starters
Speaker 1: during this game, Uh gross, Matos, Brian Burns, Dante Jackson,
Speaker 1: Kwan Short And you know what they did. They held
Speaker 1: They hold the Falcons the sixteen points. They're resourceful, they
Speaker 1: can overcome injuries. It's not like, Okay, that's the excuse
Speaker 1: for their team. And you feel for Quinn because I
Speaker 1: mean at some point that he just had terrible luck.
Speaker 1: I mean, he had terrible luck in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: It was luck and design. He had terrible luck this
Speaker 1: this year too, with the some of the onset kick
Speaker 1: in the way those comebacks came. But that luck is
Speaker 1: part of the game. And ultimately they just were pretty
Speaker 1: mediocre for the last three years. And it gives Arthur
Speaker 1: Blanka a head start. Pretty interesting, Rich McKay is they're
Speaker 1: picking the next coach man talk about a survivor. He
Speaker 1: he got fired for Dimotroft to come in. He's like,
Speaker 1: you know, he's like Easterby before easter By. Well, I
Speaker 1: mean he he got nailed for fake crowd noise before
Speaker 1: fake crowd noise was a league mandated essential heading into
Speaker 1: this season. But I would say this about Dan Quinn
Speaker 1: because you know, I know that he was um a
Speaker 1: fascination of mine when he became their head coach. Chris
Speaker 1: Wesley fell into that spell too, And but I don't
Speaker 1: think it's a spell. I think he's a good He's like,
Speaker 1: it's the kind of thing like these guys. Dan Quinn
Speaker 1: knows more about football than like like nine percent of
Speaker 1: America and it and and Thomas de mitch Roff. It
Speaker 1: tracks back to prehistoric days with Bill Belichick's Browns, who
Speaker 1: we talked about. These guys are not lacking for knowledge
Speaker 1: or skill, but the marriage of GM head coach and
Speaker 1: head coach. The path of a head coach is um
Speaker 1: very unpredictable, no matter how good you are at it.
Speaker 1: And I don't think dan Quinn is someone that players disliked.
Speaker 1: It was the opposite, and like he was someone that
Speaker 1: owners all around the league wanted to interview. And there's
Speaker 1: people this year that will pop up in the same way,
Speaker 1: and they'll they'll be, you know, high, they'll be highly
Speaker 1: regarded going into year one, year two, and year three.
Speaker 1: But you don't want to run into Matt Rule, because
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury told you last week. You know, Matt Rule
Speaker 1: got him fired back in the college days, and now
Speaker 1: he's now You've run into dan Quinn and he mows
Speaker 1: down these guys. But on a serious note, I just
Speaker 1: think that dan Quinn is a good coach who couldn't
Speaker 1: deliver on But here's the thing we always pull you know,
Speaker 1: we always pull these courts. We've always pull these head
Speaker 1: coaches from mostly successful programs. This is the defensive coordinator
Speaker 1: of the super Bowl winning Seahawks. But then translating that
Speaker 1: and taking that to the next place tells us more
Speaker 1: about Pete Carroll than it does about Dan Quinn. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not easy to duplicate. He did well, he made it.
Speaker 1: He almost he should have won a super Bowl, and
Speaker 1: he won a couple. You know, you want to playoff
Speaker 1: game the next year. But he's a defensive coaches. Defenses
Speaker 1: were why are you why are you like giving me this?
Speaker 1: Like he was the defense and he's a defensive coach.
Speaker 1: It shows the cyclical nature of the NFL. Like just
Speaker 1: like Bill O'Brien fired this week. Once upon a time,
Speaker 1: you know, he was the guy that you know, saved
Speaker 1: programs and was the face of a very difficult situation,
Speaker 1: was championed in Houston as this guy that's brought life
Speaker 1: to the organization. And Dan Quinn was the head coach.
Speaker 1: And I know Kyle Shannon got a lot of credit
Speaker 1: for the Super Bowl run, but you know he was
Speaker 1: a scene as a great hire at the time, and
Speaker 1: everybody loved him, and it just you know, these firings
Speaker 1: remind you that you're you're you're hot, and then from
Speaker 1: nine out of ten guys, you're eventually not and everyone
Speaker 1: thinks you're nothing. Uh So it's you know, it's a
Speaker 1: tough situation for Quinn and Dimitrov who had plenty of
Speaker 1: time there, but also tough for him obviously, uh that
Speaker 1: it's ending this way. And yeah, you have to wonder
Speaker 1: with Matt Ryan. They're getting a little older and obviously
Speaker 1: this seems like a franchise ready to hit the reset button.
Speaker 1: What comes next there? They they're very interesting and beyond
Speaker 1: they could trade a lot of people. I don't know
Speaker 1: if they would trade Matt Ryan before the trading deadline,
Speaker 1: which is in a few weeks, but Tach McKinley's a
Speaker 1: free agent. I don't think they would. But I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: what do you think? What do you think about it? Um?
Speaker 1: But they have a lot of veterans too that they
Speaker 1: could trade, and they they are the you know, ultimate
Speaker 1: candidate to trade some veterans away at this point. And
Speaker 1: we should give some credit, uh to the Panthers who
Speaker 1: are absolutely thriving right now and they're like I said
Speaker 1: three and oh without Christian McCaffrey, and right now, Matt
Speaker 1: Rule has this team on a very good path. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I I was so impressed. You know, they lose these defenders,
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan makes some mental errors and miss throws and
Speaker 1: an interception, uh in the red zone with you know,
Speaker 1: about eleven minutes left, and the Panthers then just go
Speaker 1: on a six or seven minute drive where it's Mike
Speaker 1: Davis on fourth down. Mike Davis has three sixty one
Speaker 1: yards from scrimmage. The last three weeks, Teddy Bridgewater and
Speaker 1: this team are so fast offensively, you know, Robby Anderson
Speaker 1: and more and Teddy and they play fast with a tempo,
Speaker 1: but they can slow it down to they're they're pretty
Speaker 1: and they're an interesting team. They can speed it up,
Speaker 1: they can slow it down, and they slowed it down
Speaker 1: right at the end, and they just killed the clock
Speaker 1: on these third and shorts in Atlanta. Was was not
Speaker 1: tough enough for them, it was. It was a fairly
Speaker 1: decisive victory despite you know, only a touchdown final score.
Speaker 1: It's been a very exciting couple of weeks for the
Speaker 1: supporters of Joe Brady and anybody who had doubted that
Speaker 1: higher of a young guy who you know, coordinated the
Speaker 1: passing game at L s U and how could he
Speaker 1: make the transition the NFL. He has shown in the
Speaker 1: last two weeks that he is very well suited for
Speaker 1: this and and there's a big reason why the Panthers
Speaker 1: have been able to rip off two wins in a row.
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you what, a Uh, I got some credit.
Speaker 1: You know, we we bury him here as the last
Speaker 1: game before Sunday Night Football each and every week, and
Speaker 1: now they're they're even buried in this game recap because
Speaker 1: a coach got fired. The Panther some credit. Hey, but
Speaker 1: first time, long time, I got a theory here. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, not a lot of people talking about this,
Speaker 1: but uh, that that McCaffrey guy, I think you might
Speaker 1: have been the problem. The problem could be you theory.
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to Sunday Night Football. You know
Speaker 1: there are people that think that too leg Sunday Night
Speaker 1: touchdown that is an unbelievable druve. You gotta be kidding me.
Speaker 1: You've got to be kidding me. Al Michaels with the
Speaker 1: call after a stuff on fourth and inches that kept
Speaker 1: the Vikings from running out the clock. In the final
Speaker 1: two minutes. The Seattle Seahawks takeover at their own six
Speaker 1: yard line with one time out and a little under
Speaker 1: two minutes to play, and they go thirteen plays ninety
Speaker 1: four yards in a minute forty two tap by that
Speaker 1: DK met cart bk metcaft touchdown the go ahead touched
Speaker 1: on the game winning touchdown in a win for the
Speaker 1: Seahawks over the Vikings. Mark That is obviously a great
Speaker 1: win for Seahawks and Seahawks fans and Russell will some
Speaker 1: m VP candidacy, But what a killer loss for the Vikings.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. Well, I think these are two like
Speaker 1: movie characters playing the script. We've seen this film multiple times.
Speaker 1: I mean, my my takeaway from more like a global
Speaker 1: level is that the Seahawks are a team that can
Speaker 1: play the worst half they've played all season and overcome it.
Speaker 1: And the Vikings are a team that can be against
Speaker 1: Seattle and have Seattle's worst half and not overcome it.
Speaker 1: And yeah, you know, we've like you just take it
Speaker 1: for granted that Seattle is going to find a way
Speaker 1: to get down there at the end, And there was
Speaker 1: definitely and I know that there you know, are my
Speaker 1: friend Patrick Claiband does not like the momentum thing, but
Speaker 1: I felt I do believe in a little bit, and
Speaker 1: I felt a momentum shift when Dalvin Cook went out
Speaker 1: of this game. And what happened. You have them up
Speaker 1: thirteen nothing and Seattle just climbed the way back in
Speaker 1: and they used Will disliked Greg Olsen early on, and
Speaker 1: they recover the Cousin fumble they scored two plays later.
Speaker 1: Cousins is then picked off by kJ Wright, who had
Speaker 1: a pretty crazy games tonight, and bang, suddenly it's like
Speaker 1: you're like you're if you're a Vikings fan, you're thinking,
Speaker 1: I've seen this a thousand times. If you're a Seahawks fan,
Speaker 1: you're thinking, I'm nervous as always, but I've seen this
Speaker 1: a thousand times. Suddenly you're about to cough up two
Speaker 1: straight long touchdown drive to Kirk Cousins. That was what
Speaker 1: was crazy. After that moment, when you think it's like Cousins,
Speaker 1: you know, gets himself together. You think they're just gonna
Speaker 1: totally choke, and he has two awesome long drives to
Speaker 1: put himself in position to put themselves on the third
Speaker 1: drive then into that fourth in one situation and I
Speaker 1: like that they went for It's not just because of
Speaker 1: the numbers, it was because of the situation that that
Speaker 1: night they were they were they were winning. Those those
Speaker 1: fourth thounds in the first half that they got are
Speaker 1: the reason that they were ahead, and they were so
Speaker 1: good running the ball, and if Dalvin Cook was in
Speaker 1: the game, he would have just bounced it outside. I mean,
Speaker 1: the whole is right there for Madison. But of course
Speaker 1: they didn't make it. They didn't stop a fourth and
Speaker 1: tenor and they didn't they You're right, the Vikings like
Speaker 1: didn't completely the tent, didn't just get swept away by
Speaker 1: a tornado, like they were still around. But did you
Speaker 1: trust that Kirk Cousins and the Vikings were gonna win
Speaker 1: this game? Because when we were heading into the that's
Speaker 1: all I'm saying that I'm agreeing with me there, of course,
Speaker 1: And in the minute, even though I thought it was
Speaker 1: a good idea to go for it unfourth and short,
Speaker 1: I just we're like, oh, they'll probably wind up losing
Speaker 1: this game. Now, I'm not going to defend a ship
Speaker 1: that appears to be taking on water. But I mean,
Speaker 1: the Vikings showed some serious resilience in this game. I
Speaker 1: mean the finish at the end of the first half,
Speaker 1: and then and then the way that you know, losing
Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook and the way that the Seahawks rebounded, you know,
Speaker 1: early in the second half. I mean, that would have
Speaker 1: wiped out a lot of teams. And even though you're
Speaker 1: not dealing with the crowd in Seattle and everything else,
Speaker 1: you lose your best running back, the momentum shift like
Speaker 1: you had mentioned Mark, and yet they still found a
Speaker 1: way to take the lead, and they were in position
Speaker 1: to win this game. And now some people might debate
Speaker 1: the whole kick the field goal go off by eight,
Speaker 1: even if they go down score touchdown, they gotta go
Speaker 1: for two or going for it on fourth down. And
Speaker 1: you're right, they did miss Dalvin Cook there, but I
Speaker 1: mean they do deserve some credit. It's just a bomber
Speaker 1: that it one in four. I mean there, it's going
Speaker 1: to take a hurculean effort to get back into I mean,
Speaker 1: it took up perfect play by the two best players
Speaker 1: in football maybe to beat him in that fourth. And
Speaker 1: that's kind of been their season. Like they've had some
Speaker 1: ugly performances, but they've also been in some situations where
Speaker 1: you're like, I just wish they could get over the hump,
Speaker 1: and and there were one in four. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: a terrible position to be in at this point. You
Speaker 1: think they would have more wins at this point, uh,
Speaker 1: considering their team, but it's just not there. This was
Speaker 1: an awesome performance for like fifteen minutes of game time.
Speaker 1: They were up thirteen nothing at the half in Seattle
Speaker 1: with Russell Wilson at the peak of his powers. They
Speaker 1: put it was a brilliant first half defensively, and they
Speaker 1: moved the ball and up on offense put up points.
Speaker 1: And then it goes from thirteen nothing from ten minutes
Speaker 1: of the third quarter untill eight minutes in the third quarter.
Speaker 1: It went from up nothing to down including the Chris
Speaker 1: Carson run, were just runs over the defense and you
Speaker 1: just think, oh, it's over. This is going to turn
Speaker 1: into a blowout for the Seahawks. But for them then
Speaker 1: to mount in eleven play seventy seven yard drive, a
Speaker 1: fifth for a touchdown, a fifteen play nineties seven yard
Speaker 1: drive for a touchdown, and the interception of Wilson in there,
Speaker 1: get the ball back and run it all the way
Speaker 1: down to the goal line, not be able to get
Speaker 1: the foot and then give up the nineties seven yard
Speaker 1: ninety four yard touchdown drive like that is to me,
Speaker 1: like it's unreal, and fourth and longs and on the
Speaker 1: game winning play ahead of bow has Russell Wilson dead
Speaker 1: two rights that he pulled up because he was afraid
Speaker 1: of getting a roughing the passer call, and he just
Speaker 1: he just had a free shot. Literally no one dropped
Speaker 1: blocked him on the play, and Wilson delivers just a
Speaker 1: perfect pass and an even better catch by Metcalf. I mean,
Speaker 1: you gotta kind of just give them credit for just
Speaker 1: being better. Oh my god, four a minute time of
Speaker 1: possession for the Vikings up. We spent every preview show
Speaker 1: we're saying Seattle can't rush the passer, they're deficient on defense,
Speaker 1: they don't have Jamal Adams, they can't do anything. They're
Speaker 1: they're a half big defense. And then it's like it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. They still everyone thought that, you know, expected
Speaker 1: them to win this game. But you're right, Mark, because
Speaker 1: I think this was Mike Zimmer's like dream game if
Speaker 1: you if you can't win, like he loves being so
Speaker 1: run heavy, And I was a little worried at half time, thinking, wow,
Speaker 1: they see your point Mark, they played absolutely perfect, but
Speaker 1: you're only up thirteen, Like you should be up more
Speaker 1: if you play perfect, and in terms of the long
Speaker 1: drives and the play count and the time. But like
Speaker 1: that's what Mike Zimmer wants and you still lose that
Speaker 1: game and fifty yards of offense for the Vikings. Dalvin
Speaker 1: Cook was eating before you got that, and then Madison
Speaker 1: goes twenty for one twelve. I mean, if you play
Speaker 1: that game ten times, I don't know how many times
Speaker 1: Seattle wins it, but it does speak to the times
Speaker 1: of Russell. But I think what I think what you're missing, Mark,
Speaker 1: was like this, this was not a typical Vikings effort
Speaker 1: from two thousand twenty. Like this, I'm not saying it's
Speaker 1: typical effort, but it's not. I'm not talking about the Vikings.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the Seahawks. Yeah, I'm talking about the
Speaker 1: Seahawks that we want to we want to we want
Speaker 1: to credit the Vikings as resilient. The Seahawks are the
Speaker 1: most resilient team around. They whatever happened to them, they
Speaker 1: that's fine, you can worry about them. But like we're
Speaker 1: not gonna We're not labeling the Vikings. It's more resilient
Speaker 1: than the Seahawks. They're completely different in that territory based
Speaker 1: on end results and and to pay you back off
Speaker 1: that too. There's a defining trade with teams that that
Speaker 1: end up with, you know, as a losing team. And
Speaker 1: this Vikings team, at least twice, if not three times,
Speaker 1: has built itself early leads. Has gotten stops in Week one,
Speaker 1: they did against Green Bay twice and they can't close.
Speaker 1: And even in this situation, they couldn't close. So you know,
Speaker 1: going against a team like Seattle with Russell Wilson at quarterback,
Speaker 1: if you can't close against other teams, you're definitely not
Speaker 1: gonna win that game. Even if they have to go
Speaker 1: ninety four yards, even if they have to convert a
Speaker 1: long or a fourth and long, even if they have
Speaker 1: to score the touchdown pass on fourth and goal with
Speaker 1: a guy bearing down in your quarterback, it becomes indicative
Speaker 1: of a team you are, and that's who the Vikings are.
Speaker 1: One yard. Just get the one yard and you have
Speaker 1: the biggest win of your season. You're two and three.
Speaker 1: But they couldn't do it, and I think everyone kind
Speaker 1: of had a vibe what was going to happen once
Speaker 1: they got stuff there because you give Wilson the ball back.
Speaker 1: The funny thing about him was he knew it and
Speaker 1: they got to two fourth and longs. That was the thing.
Speaker 1: Is everything possible? So amazing the thing that they got
Speaker 1: the ball back and then they like, oh, they only
Speaker 1: have one time out. They don't even need the time out.
Speaker 1: They got off to the goal the time out and
Speaker 1: they didn't get any long penalty or anything. It was
Speaker 1: just like, it's that easy for this offense right now.
Speaker 1: That was not cooking for most of the game because
Speaker 1: they didn't really have the ball just then. Incredible win
Speaker 1: for the Seahawks and a crushing loss for the Vikings.
Speaker 1: All right, wow, big Sunday. Two coaches fired in six days.
Speaker 1: Maybe the Jets will get around firing their guy at
Speaker 1: some point. That'd be cool. Um, it's like week five.
Speaker 1: This is like everyone's in a in a big hurry.
Speaker 1: So everyone's like, oh, it's Corona year. We're gonna be
Speaker 1: really at least coaches are going through a lot. We're
Speaker 1: gonna be real gentle with them, you know, kid gloves bang,
Speaker 1: Like two were gone and it's not even like Halloween. Um,
Speaker 1: all right, we'll be back on Tuesday with our next episode,
Speaker 1: of course, and that will also be a recap of
Speaker 1: the the Monday Night for I don't even know what
Speaker 1: the Monday night game is anymore. I don't even know
Speaker 1: what's happening with the schedule saying we're back to our
Speaker 1: normal Monday night no Broncos, so it's just back to
Speaker 1: just a Tuesday night game or Tuesday evening game Bill now, yeah,
Speaker 1: Bill's Titans, which you know by the time people listen
Speaker 1: to this, who knows. I can't keep track of this,
Speaker 1: but we'll just keep covering the sport until it's either
Speaker 1: not here or continues to stay here. Shook, thank you
Speaker 1: again for pitching in. We appreciate you as always always.
Speaker 1: All right, Uh, this is Dan hands a signing off
Speaker 1: for Nick Show, The Quiet Storm, The Old Boss, and
Speaker 1: Ricky Hollywood sitting on that oh and five. My goodness,
Speaker 1: she needs to win in a big way. Check out
Speaker 1: the Thursday show for that. Maybe she'll lock it up
Speaker 1: until Tuesday. S