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Speaker 1: Three and Out Podcast. How are we doing? My people?

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Speaker 1: It's a beautiful day, Monday afternoon. I'm recording this podcast

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Speaker 1: before the Monday night game. Here's the plan. I got

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Speaker 1: I wanted to hit on a couple of things from

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Speaker 1: argue that. But I'm bullish on the Lions because one

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Speaker 1: you just watch him play like they got some pieces,

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Speaker 1: like they st Brown, the dude from usc can play

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Speaker 1: like really good. Jamal Williams, the running back from BYU

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Speaker 1: that they signed from the Green Bay Packers. Every time

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Speaker 1: I looked yesterday, he was scoring a touchdown every single time.

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Speaker 1: So I'd be excited if I'm Alliance fan. This is

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Speaker 1: a pretty big week for the a f C East.

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Speaker 1: You know, the Patriots, whose offense is terrible. They're just

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Speaker 1: they're good on defensive Belichicks or head coach. So they

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Speaker 1: get Minnesota on this Thanksgiving night game, which Minnesota should win.

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Speaker 1: But Cousins at night, entire country wid against Belichick. You know,

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Speaker 1: if you told me Minnesota loses, I can see it. Now.

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Speaker 1: How does the Patriots if Minnesota get to like twenty points?

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Speaker 1: Can the Patriots I don't know, but can they just

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Speaker 1: stifle Kirk Cousins? Uh? Buffalo? You know, Buffalo is good.

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Speaker 1: Obviously when they are right there, you could argue they're

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Speaker 1: the best team in the league. But last week it

443
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Speaker 1: was going weird for him against Cleveland. Then they flipped

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Speaker 1: the switch and they kicked their ass, which they should.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're playing Jacoby Brissett. But they're displaced all

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Speaker 1: week because they're in Detroit, right because they had to

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Speaker 1: leave for the snowstorm. Detroit does just have some momentum

448
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Speaker 1: and they have definitely nothing to lose in this game.

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Speaker 1: You would think they're gonna be a lot of Lions

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Speaker 1: fans just excited to come watch this game because their

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Speaker 1: team is playing well. And then you have Miami, which

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Speaker 1: is actually in pretty good position. If Buffalo or New

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Speaker 1: England or some definitely if New England loses this game,

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Speaker 1: Miami's got the Texans this week. Now, they still got

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Speaker 1: games remaining at Buffalo at New England, so we'll see

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Speaker 1: how to operates outside. But you get to eight and three,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna be in pretty good position. I think there's

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Speaker 1: a very good chance. Like I'm sorry, I gotta discount

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Speaker 1: the Jets because I can't take their quarterbacks seriously anymore,

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Speaker 1: but it does look. You know, the Bengals are definitely alive.

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Speaker 1: So if you wanted to count the Bengals and the

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Speaker 1: Ravens and then these three teams, that might be your playoffs, right,

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Speaker 1: you get whoever wins it between Buffalo and Miami, and

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Speaker 1: then the other one is the wild card with New England,

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Speaker 1: and more than likely I would say the Bengals, but

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Speaker 1: you never know. It's not like the Ravens are just

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Speaker 1: running away with it. So whoever doesn't win the North

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Speaker 1: could get a wild card spot. Then the Raiders, or

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Speaker 1: excuse me not the Raiders, the Chiefs and the Titans,

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Speaker 1: and that's your a f C playoffs. So you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't I guess the only team that's not totally

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Speaker 1: dead would be the Chargers. But as long as Brandon

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Speaker 1: Sailor is your coach, I'm just not picking you to

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Speaker 1: make the playoffs. Who who am I taking them over? Belichick? Uh? Hardball, Jaborrow,

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen or what? Miami is already seven and three,

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Speaker 1: so they already got a two game cushion on the Chargers.

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Speaker 1: So I think the a f C playoff picture it's

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Speaker 1: kind of set. We just got to know the seating. Now.

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Speaker 1: It feels like the Chiefs should be the number one seed,

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Speaker 1: but you know who knows. Still a lot of games

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Speaker 1: left to be played. But the Chiefs, the Titans, and

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Speaker 1: then three teams from the a f C East and

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Speaker 1: the two teams from the a f C North. Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's dive into the mail bag. It's really simple. At

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Speaker 1: John Middlecoff is the Instagram. At John Middlecoff is the Instagram.

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Speaker 1: Fire into those d m s and get your question

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Speaker 1: answered here on the show. Again, it's just my name

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Speaker 1: firing those d m s. Get your question answered here

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Speaker 1: on the show. Let's start with Tom. I love the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Assuming the Giants come back to Earth, I

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Speaker 1: think it's fair to assume that what do you do

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Speaker 1: as a GM in the off season and over the

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Speaker 1: next few years. Well, you obviously got a lot of

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Speaker 1: positives going for you, right, you have some core players

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Speaker 1: that feel like they're gonna be pretty good. A couple

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Speaker 1: of guys you drafted high this year. Uh, Leonard Williams

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Speaker 1: a good player. Say Kwan is a good player. They've

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Speaker 1: saidnal table the contract negotiations. You're not gonna break the

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Speaker 1: bank for a running back before we can talk about

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Speaker 1: any position. Obviously, you guys are gonna talk a ton

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Speaker 1: this offseason about wide receivers. You need wide receiver help.

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Speaker 1: I gotta figure out the quarterback position because just pulling

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Speaker 1: up your page one to twenty nineteen to sixteen, twenty

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Speaker 1: to twelve, twenty four to twenty twenty three to seventeen,

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Speaker 1: twenty four to sixteen, you lost eighteen, you lost seven

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Speaker 1: and thirteen. You're not a very potent offense, you know.

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Speaker 1: And part of that is the quarterback. Who is dramatically

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Speaker 1: better then I think I know that I thought he was.

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Speaker 1: He is does he have the upside to be like, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know of what Alex Smith became with Harbaugh and

511
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Speaker 1: Andy Reid, that's he's probably best case. But if you

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Speaker 1: get that guy, you can win with him if you

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Speaker 1: build up your team. Pretty sure, he's not under contract

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00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 1: next year, right, so you gotta what are you gonna

515
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Speaker 1: do there? Can you resign him to like a two

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Speaker 1: year million dollar deal? Is he getting more money than

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Speaker 1: that on the open market? So before we can figure

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Speaker 1: out like who you need to add wide receiving, you know,

519
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Speaker 1: firepower you need, you got to figure out the quarterback

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00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 1: because clearly your coach is pretty solid and the GM,

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Speaker 1: I mean Thibodeaux and the offensive lineman you took her

522
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Speaker 1: pretty good. So I I'd be pretty bullish with my administration,

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Speaker 1: which has been the opposite of what you had, right

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Speaker 1: Pat Shermer, Joe Judge, no way around it, they were

525
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Speaker 1: terrible gettleman joke like these guys seem young, competent, experience,

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Speaker 1: just high level guys. If you don't have a quarterback

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Speaker 1: though in your team, you guys have really overachieved. And

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna try to like diminish what you've accomplished,

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Speaker 1: because what's your record right now? Seven and three? You

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Speaker 1: beat the Panthers, you beat the Bears, you beat a

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Speaker 1: bad packer team, you beat the jag you beat the Texans,

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean you haven't exactly beat you know, Alabama, Georgia,

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Speaker 1: Ohio State here. Uh so. But I but the good

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Speaker 1: thing about New York fans like you guys know if

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Speaker 1: you're my age, like you saw those ELI teams, like

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Speaker 1: you know what good teams look like, and you know what,

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Speaker 1: what just why I think you should be excited about

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Speaker 1: this team is just how much heart they've shown, how

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Speaker 1: tough they are, how many games they would have lost

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Speaker 1: under previous administrations. Now it's just about getting getting quarterback

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Speaker 1: and maybe just extend Daniel Jones for a couple of

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Speaker 1: years and then use the firepower other places in the draft.

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Speaker 1: I've gotten at least five of my buddies to start

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Speaker 1: listening to your podcast. Keep up the good work, thanks

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Speaker 1: Man Turner. Just wondering what your thoughts are of the

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Speaker 1: World Cup and Kitar right now. I always thought the

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Speaker 1: NFL was kind of corrupt, but after reading about everything

548
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Speaker 1: in the world, everything going on over there in the

549
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: World Cup, I have found a new appreciation for the NFL.

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Speaker 1: We really do have it good here. Thanks keep killing it.

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Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I haven't paid much attention. Uh the

552
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: game was on today when I was at the gym.

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Speaker 1: I'm really out of the loop on this one. And

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Speaker 1: I'm not a soccer guy, but I would say have

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Speaker 1: come around. I I appreciate the sport and it entertains

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Speaker 1: me if done in doses. But what's up with the

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Speaker 1: timing of this? Isn't the World Cup usually in the

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Speaker 1: summer now? Maybe it's because of the VID I I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I'm a little lost. Um. Also, like I

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Speaker 1: think the World Cup and the Olympics have some parallels,

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Speaker 1: like what are we doing with those? Like it's it's

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Speaker 1: very corrupt, But I also think it's different, right when

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Speaker 1: you have an event that's every four years, you know,

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Speaker 1: the NFL, Professional Baseball, the e p L, the NBA.

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Speaker 1: Like these guys, these are consistent leagues every single year, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean they're three businesses. The World Cup obviously it's

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Speaker 1: enormous business, but it's somewhat of a one off thing,

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Speaker 1: you know, every four years. Um, But I'd be lying

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Speaker 1: if I told you that I've we we tied to Wales.

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Speaker 1: My issue with American soccer is when I worked for

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Speaker 1: the Eagles, like Manchester United, I think Chelsea we used

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Speaker 1: to host big games Jeffrey Leary was really good at that,

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Speaker 1: and I remember them sending their B teams and usually

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Speaker 1: they would work out on our practice ccility, definitely in

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Speaker 1: the off season, so you would like they would be practicing.

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Speaker 1: I'd be done with work, I go to the gym

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Speaker 1: and then I'd see the guys and they used to

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Speaker 1: have guys that were I remember thinking physically like they

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Speaker 1: had some dudes. And then I remember our team two

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Speaker 1: thousand ten, uh it was the World Cup maybe I

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Speaker 1: want to say Germany, and they practiced before they went

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Speaker 1: over there, um at our facility, and I remember going

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Speaker 1: and watching them practice, and it was the year I

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Speaker 1: forget the bald headed goalie's name, who's sweet like Landon

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Speaker 1: Donovan was still on the team, and I remember them

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Speaker 1: running by me and I'm you know, I'm five ten,

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Speaker 1: a buck eighty, not very big relatively like professional athletes,

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Speaker 1: and all these guys running by me unless and I

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Speaker 1: understand soccer is different like the NFL. I just remember

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Speaker 1: us being small and clearly we're not talented enough to

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Speaker 1: like be a bunch of little guys. I just wonder,

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Speaker 1: like today the Whales game, everyone wants our team, like

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Speaker 1: in the media, and fans to be so good. We're

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Speaker 1: just not. Like there's just no way around it. We're

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Speaker 1: just not. And it sucks because everything we've always cared

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Speaker 1: about we've dominated at. Right, we want to be best

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Speaker 1: in the world of basketball, best in the world, want

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Speaker 1: to be the best in the world of golf, best

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Speaker 1: in the world, want to be the best. I say

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Speaker 1: this all the time about rugby. If we focused on

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Speaker 1: rugby like we do football, we'd beat the ship out

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Speaker 1: of everybody. Now I get pushed back from the soccer

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Speaker 1: release that said if we focused on soccer, if soccer

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Speaker 1: was our ethos like football and basketball are in this country,

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Speaker 1: we would dominate. We We just would. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: I don't even think it'd be close. And people like, well,

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Speaker 1: it's not about the size of the athlete. I get it,

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Speaker 1: But you're telling me that some of the best athletes

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Speaker 1: in this country, from Russell Westbrook to Odell back Um

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Speaker 1: to Ray Lewis to you name it, over the years,

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Speaker 1: if they hadn't lived, breathed and eating soccer from when

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Speaker 1: they were young, they wouldn't be good at it. Like

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Speaker 1: if Kevin Garnett had just focused on being the best

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Speaker 1: goaliean soccer from the moment he was five. He wouldn't

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Speaker 1: be unscoreable. Of course he would. Um. I feel very

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Speaker 1: good about that argument, but we'll never prove it, and

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Speaker 1: we're just gonna keep you know, losing or tying Whales.

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Speaker 1: Lifetime Seahawks fan here, but have lived in Scottsdale for

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Speaker 1: the past decade. It's been fun hearing about your move

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Speaker 1: to Arizona. I love this place. It really is. It

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Speaker 1: gets a little cold in the winter, but I think

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Speaker 1: I got my golf course that I'm gonna join next

623
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Speaker 1: year kind of circled. And this is just something something

624
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Speaker 1: about a place that's new, you know. I needed to change.

625
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Speaker 1: It was just time for me. I've been in the

626
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Speaker 1: Bay for a decade. It had just become stale in

627
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Speaker 1: my life. I needed to mix it up. And it's

628
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Speaker 1: just for my own sanity, uh and finances. The Geno

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Speaker 1: Smith resurrection had me thinking about his upcoming contract. With

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Speaker 1: his top five quarterback play this year, he could easily

631
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Speaker 1: demand over thirty million dollars. I always thought Brady was

632
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Speaker 1: a genius for taking less money to help his team's cap.

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Speaker 1: I'd love to hear for Gino do the same, and

634
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Speaker 1: hopefully help build an amazing team around him. Do you

635
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Speaker 1: have any idea how much financial benefit being a winning

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Speaker 1: quarterback has? Are the commercials brand deals Gino will get

637
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: if he has a consistent playoff team worth taking a

638
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: lot less salary? Curious to hear your thoughts. Well, I'd

639
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: even take a step back. Are we sure Geno Smith

640
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: would get thirty million dollars a year? Like it's November

641
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: twenty one, He's had a fantastic season, He's played ten games,

642
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: he still has a bunch of more games like I'm

643
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: gonna pump pump the brakes on, he'd get thirty million dollars.

644
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: I think under no circumstance any team would pay him

645
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: thirty million. Who's paying thirty million dollars? The Jets, No,

646
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 1: the Texans, No, Seattle. And I don't think you gotta

647
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: pay ingim thirty million dollars? Like, I just don't think

648
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: he's getting a premium contract now. Could he get like

649
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: eighteen with incentives to get to million dollars? Probably, But

650
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: you can't be a one year wonder at thirty two

651
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: years old and get thirty million dollars like pretty sure, Brady,

652
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: and I know he's taken less makes thirty million dollars, Like,

653
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: I have a hard time seeing that. I know what

654
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: you're saying. Obviously, Dak Prescott being the starting quarterback for

655
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: the Cowboys probably makes my guests would be fifteen plus

656
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 1: million dollars off the field. Patrick Mahomes being one of

657
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: the best quarterbacks probably does something like that. Obviously, Josh

658
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: Allen's and a lot of commercials make a lot. I

659
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: mean these commercials when if you just did a one day,

660
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: one off commercials like a million bucks. I mean, the

661
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 1: money these people make is stupid. It's it's monopoly cash.

662
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: Most people in America, like our richest people, are owners.

663
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: They have equity, like they have juice in the deal.

664
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,720
Speaker 1: Most people that are worth hundreds of millions of dollars

665
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: owned businesses, right, That's where their wealth is. The amount

666
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: of people that's sniff the compensation that a guy making,

667
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: let's say Geno Smith makes twenty five million dollars. Non

668
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 1: athletes are like entertainers. How many people in this country

669
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: make a million dollar W two? The number small. I

670
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: mean even the CEOs are getting huge, huge stock bonuses.

671
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: You know, just get a straight W two like that

672
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: is you're in the one percent of the one percent.

673
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: You know, he's he's gotta living. You gotta living pretty good,

674
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: you know. Don't don't let anyone fool you. Most people

675
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: get it, but sometimes you see stuff on the media

676
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: You're like, God, you guys are so fucking stupid. Um,

677
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: I'm a dired Colts fan. It's from Tyler. Assuming we

678
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: continue to lose games, which I think is likely, how

679
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: do you see us moving up in the draft to

680
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: get off the quarterback carousel? Houston, Carolina, Detroit will definitely

681
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 1: prioritize getting their next quarterback. Houston, Jacksonville won't trade with

682
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: us being in the same division. Are we screwed for

683
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 1: another year? Yeah? I mean, I just think, what's your

684
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: record now? Four six and one. I bet you end

685
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: up going like six, what would be six six, nine

686
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: and one something like that. You know, that'd probably put

687
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: you somewhere between eight to twelve. Yeah, I just I

688
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 1: don't know. But what would show us that Chris Ballard

689
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: is likely to take a quarterback every single year? He

690
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: just passed on quarterbacks, And I know he said, like,

691
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: you keep wanting to stake quarterbacks, We gotta like one

692
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: of those guys. True. It's like you guys are taken,

693
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: Sam Ellinger, I guess the guy you've taken over the

694
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: last however handful of years, You're constantly trading for these

695
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: bridge type guys. So I have no faith, unless they

696
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: were like top two or three, that he'd use that

697
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:42,439
Speaker 1: pick on a quarterback. Uh. Now I'm trying to think.

698
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I could see Matt Ryan being the quarterback

699
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 1: again next year. I have a question regarding DeShawn Watson.

700
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: He's returning next week after being away from football for

701
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: almost two years to play against his former team, the Texans,

702
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,760
Speaker 1: and it made me think of something. Do you believe

703
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: he made the wrong decision to go to the Browns.

704
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: I understand the move from a financial and football perspective,

705
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: but from a legacy perspective, regardless of how successful he

706
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: is in Cleveland, I do not believe the Browns fans

707
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: will fully embrace him. I think he would be better

708
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: received if he had gone back to his home state

709
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: and played for Georgia for the Falcons. What's your take

710
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: on this? I hear what you're saying, but I just

711
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 1: I think it is so impossible to say what his

712
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: legacy will be right now, because right now, when you

713
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 1: say Deshaun Watson. People think of one thing, and one

714
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 1: thing only mustache therapists. No one thinks of anything else.

715
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: I don't think of the game winning touchdown against Alabama.

716
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 1: I don't think of the success he had with the

717
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: Houston Texans. I think of all these chicks coming after. Now.

718
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: I've said over and over, I wasn't there. You weren't there,

719
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: None of us were there. We have no clue. Guilty

720
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 1: or innocent. No one knows except him in those checks.

721
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: But to me, that's his legacy. So to me, the

722
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: only way to get the train back on the tracks

723
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: is just to be good. And if you're good in

724
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: the NFL, whether you played for the Jacksonville Jacks or

725
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 1: whether you played for the Dallas Cowboys, you become a star.

726
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: So like if he just is a good player, it

727
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: will take some time, but that's all that will matter.

728
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: So I hear what you're saying. It might have been

729
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 1: an easier transition for him, Like you're telling me, if

730
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: he doesn't lead the Browns of the playoffs four straight years,

731
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: they wouldn't embrace him, for sure, they would. He's not

732
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: playing for the packers here that are used to go

733
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: in the playoffs, and the Browns have historically sucked. I mean,

734
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 1: think how bad they've been for the last couple of decades.

735
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: So if in the next three years, obviously this year

736
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 1: doesn't count for him, but in twenty five they go

737
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: to the playoffs three straight years, one of the years

738
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: they win the North, and he wins some playoff games,

739
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: I think Browns fans will like him a lot, because

740
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: you could argue the same thing about Falcons. He was

741
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: going to Atlanta where one of the best players in

742
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: the history of their franchise. He'd beat going filling in

743
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 1: for Matt Ryan. See what you wanted about Matt Ryan?

744
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: Like they made the playoffs a bunch? He want an

745
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 1: m v P. He was a really good guy, never

746
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: got any trouble, So I I don't think I don't

747
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: agree with that theory big USC fan fight on. As

748
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: much as I love watching Lincoln Riley's offense role, the

749
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball has been atrocious. USC fans

750
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: are hoping they went out and make it to the playoff,

751
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: But could you make the argument that it would be

752
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 1: better for them if they missed out this year and

753
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: avoided the embarrassment of another Lincoln Riley playoff loss on

754
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 1: a national stage. I'm just not sure we're ready to

755
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: compete with the lead programs. Listen, this year, what's your

756
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: record right now? Ten and one, you beat Notre Dame,

757
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: you're eleven in one, and you're in the conference championship

758
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: in Vegas. It has been an incredible season USC. I

759
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: think didn't they go four and eight last year? I

760
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: mean it can't be overstated. What and you know this

761
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 1: being a USC fan, but I think a lot of

762
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 1: people that live in different elements in the country, like

763
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: USC has been so bad, no one's even been paying attention.

764
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: It's been uglier than you realized. So for him to

765
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 1: get here now time you're able to take these transfers

766
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 1: and it's like free age and see, so it's it's

767
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: been much easier for him to flip the script right.

768
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,240
Speaker 1: He was literally able to take his five star quarterback

769
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: from Oklahoma, who's a fucking stud, but he believes in

770
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 1: this defensive coordinator, Alex grinch Is. I think it's how

771
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: you say his last name. Who you would say based

772
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 1: on Oklahoma and based on this year is pretty questionable.

773
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: I had an agent buddy who said, like, I don't

774
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: know why Lincoln is so loyal to him, But he is.

775
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: He was one of the few coaches he brought from

776
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,399
Speaker 1: Oklahoma with him. He believes in this guy, and once

777
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: upon a time, if you remember Sarkisian, you know, really

778
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: believed in in Justin Wilcox, who then resurrect his career.

779
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: But while he was with Sark was kind of getting

780
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: shipped on a lot. And my question with Lincoln is,

781
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:47,240
Speaker 1: I have no doubts he will recruit NFL quarterbacks, NFL

782
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 1: wide receiver's, NFL running backs, the NFL tight ends, NFL

783
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 1: offensive alignement, his offense will be worthy to win a Natty.

784
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: But and I'm a Lincoln Riley fan, I think for

785
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: being a younger guy, he is a serious old soul.

786
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: He is not people think like, oh, this four year

787
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: old rich guy now living up now. He you listen

788
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: to him talk, and I've interviewed him a couple of times,

789
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 1: and I've been around him and I know people that

790
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: have worked for him. He is. He is not wired

791
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: like some young, lucy goosey guy. But I don't know

792
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: from a recruiting standpoint, if he doesn't prioritize it, if

793
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: he doesn't care, if he doesn't know what it looks like.

794
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,959
Speaker 1: I do question whether he can recruit defense. He didn't

795
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: do it at Oklahoma and he will see it. USC.

796
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: The reason USC competed for Natties and one Natties with

797
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll wasn't the offense. The offense was good. It

798
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 1: was they had guys at every level. There were NFL players,

799
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:45,760
Speaker 1: first rounders, lineman, ends, defensive tackles, inside, outside, linebackers, safeties

800
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: and corners. Guys that play start on Sunday. That was

801
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: the reason they could play with Ohio State USC. You

802
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 1: know all those teams, even Chip Kelly his couple of

803
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: years when he had national championship level teams DeForrest Buckner,

804
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: Eric Armstead, they had Kiko Alonzo, they had NFL players

805
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 1: on defense. If you do not have NFL players on

806
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: and I'm not talking like one guy that gets drapped

807
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: in the six round, I'm talking about first rounders, I

808
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: don't take you seriously. It's a reason Michigan, Ohio State, Alabama,

809
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: l s U, Georgia, Clemson when they're right, like, you

810
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: gotta have NFL defensive players at multiple levels. And to me,

811
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: until he proves that he can get those guys, I

812
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: can't take USC seriously as a national championship contender. I'd argue,

813
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: this year you made it. Can you imagine if you

814
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: beat Notre Dame, and let's assume you beat let's say

815
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: Oregon wins against Oregon State, which is gonna be a

816
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: hard game. You beat Oregan, which I think that's what

817
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: the pact Walton wants USC Oregon in Vegas. That's a

818
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: that's a cool product. USC wins that game, which they

819
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 1: would not be a guarantee to win that game, but

820
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 1: let's just say he does. Even if you get your

821
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,399
Speaker 1: ass kicked by Georgia or Ohio State or Michigan, who

822
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: cares like just going to that game? After Helton, you're

823
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 1: one of Lincoln Riley all worth it. Last year Michigan

824
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: got the living pist beat out of him by Georgia,

825
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: just absolutely curb stumped. It was all worth it. Every

826
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: single snap of that game was worth it for the season,

827
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,399
Speaker 1: like your season has been so successful, and for those

828
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 1: of us on the West coast that you know, let's

829
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: face it, we've had to gravitate towards the SEC and

830
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: Ohio State in Michigan and the occasional like Oklahoma or

831
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: Baylor or Clemson because the team's out here haven't been worthy.

832
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: It's cool to see these teams matter again. Mario brought relevance.

833
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 1: I appreciate Kyle Whittingham now Lincoln out here like I

834
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 1: I love college football, I really do. But uh, you know,

835
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: without Lincoln Riley coming to USC, that program wasn't major

836
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 1: major shambles. See if I can get one more question.

837
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 1: And speaking of I, I do believe the Caleb Willias

838
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 1: will be the number one pick in the draft. There

839
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: was this clip that went viral of him rolling to

840
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: his left and makeing this throw across his body against

841
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 1: U C. L A. He is a spectacular talent. I

842
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: mean from a as a thrower of the football, his

843
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: accuracy on the move, his playmaking ability, he's just he's

844
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: just stud he really is. Uh. Next year's quarterback draft,

845
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: it's probably better in this court. It is better in

846
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 1: this quarterback draft on paper. Obviously quarterback on paper doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: How you actually play matters. But I mean Zach Wilson

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Speaker 1: went too and he sucks, so you never know. I

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Speaker 1: mean Trey Lances played like two games. He's got a

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Speaker 1: broken angle, so there's no guarantee. Just because you drafted

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Speaker 1: how you're gonna be good. But you know, Bryce I

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Speaker 1: think is gonna go number one, but he is tiny,

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Speaker 1: He is really really small. And will Levice, I think

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Speaker 1: it's gonna go number two. And listen, people are gonna

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Speaker 1: go nuts when he goes number two, but people are

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Speaker 1: gonna bet on the physicality. Now will that translate? Time

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Speaker 1: will tell, but you know, next year Caleb Williams and

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Speaker 1: the dude from North Carolina lock and change. But does

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Speaker 1: feel like those two guys are kind of set in stone.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate everyone listening, Happy Thanksgiving, Thanks for sharing this podcast

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Speaker 1: with your friends. Thanks for you know, spending time with me.

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Speaker 1: And uh, I'm very If it's gonna sound cheesy, I'm

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Speaker 1: thankful for everyone that listens. I really am. Enjoy the turkey,

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