Speaker 1: You're tuned into The Gangster Chronicles. Well, James McDonald, RIXI,
Speaker 1: Rei Jr. And Allen Tomanso on the Digital Soapbox Network
Speaker 1: material witness on an aggregated Battery, I was a hang
Speaker 1: gun and um they believe this might be in retaliation
Speaker 1: to her testimony. All right, welcome to another episode of
Speaker 1: The Gangster Chronicles. My name is Alex Alonso from Street
Speaker 1: Gangs dot Com ak Street TV, where I interview gang members,
Speaker 1: former and current gang members, hip hop artists, authors, entertainers,
Speaker 1: and other influencers. And I'm here today with Reggie right,
Speaker 1: Julia and James. And James is back. He is back
Speaker 1: from Australia and we're gonna talk a little bit about that.
Speaker 1: But I just want everyone to know that this is
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Speaker 1: why Reggie's interrupted me, but for those who don't have
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Speaker 1: tickets to our live show will be available through that website.
Speaker 1: And Reggie still interrupted me, but also want um to
Speaker 1: give our social media contexts. James McDonald could be found
Speaker 1: on Facebook under James McDonald. You have two Facebook pages,
Speaker 1: so it could be a little confusing. Well big j
Speaker 1: uh thirty six thirty six okay. And your Instagram is
Speaker 1: also the same, the same thing. You could also find
Speaker 1: leave Me Alone. You can find Reggie Right Junr. And
Speaker 1: sometimes they'll give us questions. You can find Reggie Right Jr.
Speaker 1: On his face Facebook page Reggie Right Jr. And he's
Speaker 1: also on Instagram under Reggie dot Right dot Jr. And
Speaker 1: you can feed us some questions there. And I'm on
Speaker 1: on Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook all under Alex Alonso. One
Speaker 1: oh one. Al right, So before we get into our episode,
Speaker 1: I just want to do a couple of quick fact
Speaker 1: checks from a couple of previous episodes. Actually episode number seventeen,
Speaker 1: which was called Rumors. Russell Pool died August nineteen, two fifteen,
Speaker 1: at the age of fifty eight. He died of an
Speaker 1: aneurysm Oh, my goodness, this guy is clapping the death
Speaker 1: of a person. I think we might have said he
Speaker 1: died of a heart attack some but he died of
Speaker 1: aneurism at the age of fifty eight, so he's relatively young.
Speaker 1: And it was just and it was just a few
Speaker 1: years ago on August nineteen. That was Reggie Wright clapping,
Speaker 1: y'all that was wondering who that was. He's clapping the
Speaker 1: death of murder, murder, trying to get my lively the
Speaker 1: police do you should know as a former police officer,
Speaker 1: you investigate DVDs and books. Okay, let me say this.
Speaker 1: Here it is and I trying to keep you one
Speaker 1: hunting on this. Yeah, this is why we are the
Speaker 1: way we are today because we applauded it like this
Speaker 1: and and we just don't give a funk about life.
Speaker 1: I have a whole different understanding of life. As they're
Speaker 1: coming from Australia. Those people do not live the way
Speaker 1: we live. They do not think the way we think.
Speaker 1: They're not accused people of false well I mean not
Speaker 1: even that either. But it's every individual itself have to
Speaker 1: learn and and just really understand theirselfs before they get
Speaker 1: the applaud and death. What happens when when you die
Speaker 1: and somebody applaud your death part You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: My life insurance policy paid up, but your wife ain't
Speaker 1: gonna like it, your kids ain't gonna like it. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. You never want to wish death
Speaker 1: upon your worst enemy. You don't. You don't. And and
Speaker 1: as a cop, I understand Russell Pool. Even before he
Speaker 1: retired from the l ap D. He was going down
Speaker 1: all these weird theories that had nothing to do with
Speaker 1: bro It got personal. You don't even more. But how
Speaker 1: many of his theories were wrong, Not just the Reggie
Speaker 1: Wright theory, but all of it. I thought he had
Speaker 1: a couple of other theories of got killed cooking ramparts
Speaker 1: that I've been telling me, and that he's done showed
Speaker 1: that never I've never known, I didn't have no connections
Speaker 1: with all right, and that he could never prove so
Speaker 1: he should have left it there. Well, we're gonna hear
Speaker 1: more about your trip to Australia. James um more more
Speaker 1: fact check Kevin gaines Um. He was actually shot and
Speaker 1: killed at the intersection of Lancashim Inventura in Studio City,
Speaker 1: which is the city of l a um Mark j
Speaker 1: T s at the young age of thirty one. Damn.
Speaker 1: He was born in sixty six, got killed in ninety seven.
Speaker 1: He was also mentioned in the episode Rumors episode number seventeen.
Speaker 1: So that's all I have for fact checking. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if we're gonna go into the this audio
Speaker 1: clip first. Let's get the audio clip first, and then
Speaker 1: we're going to James is a trip to Australia because
Speaker 1: it's the first time we've been together, um since James
Speaker 1: got back three weeks. In three weeks, we did that
Speaker 1: show two weeks ago with you on the phone. So yeah,
Speaker 1: this is the first time all three have been together.
Speaker 1: So let's get into this this phone call and Reggie,
Speaker 1: let's set it up first before we run this clip.
Speaker 1: All right, So you know Snoop Dogg being um lately
Speaker 1: on this campaign. We're in the death row chains and
Speaker 1: and because the no Limit stuff didn't work out for him,
Speaker 1: because he was wearing the no Limit chain but that
Speaker 1: didn't work out and people didn't react to it, and
Speaker 1: so now he's trying to get the music licensed and
Speaker 1: all of that. So he's trying to do a kiss
Speaker 1: Snoop chilks asked from jail and doing songs and all
Speaker 1: of that. Uh, but you know, Snoop, you remember when
Speaker 1: you're supposed to shot three thousand dollars through the cash app.
Speaker 1: You never did that, homie. But anyway, um so anyway,
Speaker 1: he uh, he's been on this big campaign and then
Speaker 1: he also in this campaign and said he is the
Speaker 1: reason that U Suge Knight went to the Prison of
Speaker 1: Good Tupac a prison. It was his idea for that.
Speaker 1: He's trying to take credit for it. So well, y'all
Speaker 1: does he deserve partial credit? Speak So y'all don't never
Speaker 1: want to listen to Reggie right because I've been telling
Speaker 1: you how they went how they went down, and so
Speaker 1: here's something that shigs on words that y'all can listen to,
Speaker 1: and then we'll talk about it after that. The prison,
Speaker 1: all the people he helped in helogy talk with from
Speaker 1: business and parts and make him down like uh like uh,
Speaker 1: interschool people. He was over the state a certain artist.
Speaker 1: He didn't you want to talk about the letter with
Speaker 1: that Madonna was sold piss because he was joking when
Speaker 1: Donna never came to see and she never putting that
Speaker 1: one dollar on his books when he when he reached
Speaker 1: out for me to come to see him. He didn't
Speaker 1: have money for not doing that alone, Commissary, he's not hidings,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. He didn't have ship and
Speaker 1: all recorded my loving Madonna no thing getting put on
Speaker 1: the jaff and guide and putting note on the brook
Speaker 1: And so he was saying, man, I'm not gonna wrap
Speaker 1: no woman of about the did I said, wouldn't give me?
Speaker 1: Wanted to? Did this made sure you eat? He said,
Speaker 1: you're right now. The only person which I think we
Speaker 1: really should interview her and put on it because most
Speaker 1: people don't know him is a woman named Pisa. She
Speaker 1: was prosy wife. She married Park when he was in prison.
Speaker 1: She sa, Morny called my office. They'll give his wife
Speaker 1: right from New York. Yeah, she called office and she
Speaker 1: come off and everybody can laughing and then take the message.
Speaker 1: And when you give it to me, so possible you're
Speaker 1: laughing about let said, is a program keep saying you
Speaker 1: toobox life. And you know they got married and he
Speaker 1: would need to help, and they said, you know, I'm crazy.
Speaker 1: And I said, we'll look. Let me talk to him
Speaker 1: because it might be a chance you tause and it's truth, right.
Speaker 1: So I get on the phone with and she said said,
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you took my call to everybody become crazy.
Speaker 1: I said, I know there was Tony, don't talk to you,
Speaker 1: he said, but we're really mad, or I show you.
Speaker 1: Then Now to the Kate, I can said, he is,
Speaker 1: I can, said you, Dad, I said, don't want to
Speaker 1: do all that. Tell me what you need? I thought
Speaker 1: to my need is some bread, or I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: give it to it. She said, look two o'clock and
Speaker 1: the only person can you help him, it's you. Please
Speaker 1: come seeing for you can get him out of prison.
Speaker 1: So I said, look, I ain't a person alone as
Speaker 1: we speak, I'll call my lawyer and keep permission for
Speaker 1: us to go out to New York. And then those
Speaker 1: things I want to see park I was. I wasn't
Speaker 1: throw it up and I was illegal, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. That's how I got in with the lorder,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. The first time we went there,
Speaker 1: we had to we flew the private plans from l
Speaker 1: A to New York, and we had to supply a
Speaker 1: smaller plane from New York to the are you had
Speaker 1: to go to the busy by a prison. So we
Speaker 1: had to take a jet because the big plane can
Speaker 1: you know, wouldn't be too big. Then we had to
Speaker 1: take a hour and something lim a V from the
Speaker 1: from the jet, I remember the first time I got there.
Speaker 1: They go seeing how I came out, passes in the head.
Speaker 1: You know you can tell you in stressing. So he
Speaker 1: sat down and talking to these people halfies. I look,
Speaker 1: I feel like the dead. I'm not gonna wrap no
Speaker 1: more while people looking so like slumming my hands on
Speaker 1: the things for hey, look that's how we came up with.
Speaker 1: Then our lives on me, I said, all lives on you,
Speaker 1: and then hope is in you and you's random box.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna wrap no more. Not to get that
Speaker 1: boys your head, I said, don't don't do no one
Speaker 1: to do with the vibe fan This person be dispers
Speaker 1: said that for all that bullshit. He said, well, just
Speaker 1: I'll see you all my post. I said, I want
Speaker 1: the post. He said, my mother's you know she don't
Speaker 1: have a place to say. I said the person I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do. Let's work hard on getting you out, secting
Speaker 1: them to do well, I leave your out of here.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call can count up with your mother, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna buy a house so you don't get a part.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna buy your house, like buyre ocast or ship.
Speaker 1: I said. Then we're gonna work, don't getting you out.
Speaker 1: I looked at the lawyer. I said, hey, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do everything I can. I hope everything I can act.
Speaker 1: The lawyer couldn't get him out. He said, yeah, he
Speaker 1: said anything. You know, he said anything to you. I said, well,
Speaker 1: there's a slam dunk or because every time we talk
Speaker 1: about cases, I talked about the basketball times. I said
Speaker 1: the slam luck it's no, I said, the lad you
Speaker 1: know he says the self shot. I said, we'll check
Speaker 1: this up. When you shoot that tumb side from that range,
Speaker 1: how many times you make him? He saidn't usually I've
Speaker 1: never missed that name. So most of the time over here.
Speaker 1: I looked the podcast, said, well, they mean I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get yourn. We went back to work, and all that
Speaker 1: ship done. Time I got out, I meantime I left there,
Speaker 1: flew back to l A. I boughttom mother bought his
Speaker 1: mother house and huh last pay cash forard, got ship
Speaker 1: off and from his books, gotting straight, kept talking the
Speaker 1: keyshas she was going to visiting, went back out there,
Speaker 1: and David back out there. All his people with mothers
Speaker 1: tunnels come to the visitings of my friends and you
Speaker 1: know they comes to being recorded. You gotta be subing.
Speaker 1: It's the time because they don't win one game out
Speaker 1: And he came back out. He was smiling, you know,
Speaker 1: he walke my George Jefferson. I was trying me like
Speaker 1: he went where to do that? That of walk? He
Speaker 1: was just you know, swinging the shoulders and ship. So
Speaker 1: we'd asked, does that we said, I said, hey, I
Speaker 1: know you had choosing the West coast. I ain't know
Speaker 1: you had to choosing the East coast if I told me,
Speaker 1: And you're talking to big shots. Man, we know me
Speaker 1: for my old boys. He said, Man, they gave you weed.
Speaker 1: They gave me foo, they gave me cosmetics, and he
Speaker 1: gave me the place. Said I got so much weed,
Speaker 1: I'm fired right now. We just thought, right, I said,
Speaker 1: all right, well, Ship, I'm from the team. Now I
Speaker 1: can't I'll be setting you in the free world. I'll
Speaker 1: stopped to get you working on tracks right now. And
Speaker 1: then we started talking. I said, what kind of cards
Speaker 1: you like? He's like this, like this Eddie card. He said,
Speaker 1: like I already had bought for it. And then when
Speaker 1: you know, when I set the product, fans pick him up.
Speaker 1: I sent in my brief base to pull the mother
Speaker 1: for the money. And so when you let me running
Speaker 1: committed this three year. The first one did was my
Speaker 1: business of writer. The hooks are are he on it?
Speaker 1: So you know he's smoking, drinking for bab hen until
Speaker 1: he's doing the booth. And he started rapping, and there
Speaker 1: was an incredible ship to When he was wrapping, he said,
Speaker 1: you know, what's your pay? I was like, ships, all right,
Speaker 1: but that ship was bombed and I said it's all
Speaker 1: right because my possitive tell me that football made me
Speaker 1: work hard. I need to start rapping again. I tell
Speaker 1: the engineer, whatever you do, don't race the saving and
Speaker 1: go to another verse, you know, another tape. Don't raise
Speaker 1: Anne of the verses and said, yeah, what's you think?
Speaker 1: I said, a little bets all right, but you know
Speaker 1: that you were losing my mind how he was extrapping
Speaker 1: and flowing. This is gonna take your shirt off. You're drinking,
Speaker 1: he said, her headphones in his Then go hey, fucus plunt,
Speaker 1: somebody bring me a newport. They're bringing a newport. He's
Speaker 1: all right, he told me he's called the reporting and
Speaker 1: he at the new port, took two long drags and
Speaker 1: that motherfucker started doing. He was better than the first
Speaker 1: three bot tasts he did. I said, this, monther Pup's incredible.
Speaker 1: So we finished that song and a whole bunch of
Speaker 1: more ships. So as we at this time to leave,
Speaker 1: you don't smoke, and he drinking the systems. He being
Speaker 1: jails in prison, so you know, and you saw that
Speaker 1: he was talking to me how much funny I had,
Speaker 1: how much he appreciated, and he just passed out in
Speaker 1: my car him for his failed and I started laughing.
Speaker 1: And then you came and heard the spot and put
Speaker 1: you down something. He woke up to their I ain't
Speaker 1: got too high, talk too much, so I put him
Speaker 1: in them on. I got him biggest sweet fun and
Speaker 1: I had seven does the dads pitches in California. I
Speaker 1: tell him that don't try selling his money, don't targe
Speaker 1: stilling the jury, getting baths and shiz and ever he want.
Speaker 1: You gotta do everything for him. All yea up and
Speaker 1: get when you get there, we'll take care of them
Speaker 1: all night. In the morning, im up and called me
Speaker 1: the morning, said he will. He said, they already got
Speaker 1: me a rolled up, that's already got me a checked me.
Speaker 1: He said me. He gave me the most beautiful nick
Speaker 1: bitches of being a bill with me, and I never
Speaker 1: felt so good in my life. When we started laughing,
Speaker 1: I said, we're sick. Don't don't don't try, don't bring
Speaker 1: yourself about too much. You know, we're back in the studio.
Speaker 1: He's I can't wait. And that's how we started. You know.
Speaker 1: But Keitha, if they want for her, it never would happen,
Speaker 1: and nobody never gave her a dude, you know. So
Speaker 1: that was an eight minute clip of Sugar Night talking
Speaker 1: to him. Well, guess we're gonna keep that person's identity
Speaker 1: on the on the phone talking from the California Department
Speaker 1: of Corrections to a person whose identity we're not revealing.
Speaker 1: And Reggie brought this clip and it's the first time
Speaker 1: I'm hearing it. James, I'm assuming it's the first time
Speaker 1: you're hearing it too, and read, um, what's so significant
Speaker 1: about this conversa? Was just trying to show how the
Speaker 1: story has always been out there and anybody that follows
Speaker 1: me on Bomb First or any interviews that I've done
Speaker 1: on Black how I always said it wasn't Snoop, it
Speaker 1: wasn't anyone it was Park's wife at the time, Keisha,
Speaker 1: who eventually got on no man from who was the
Speaker 1: one that reached out the show and to have ship
Speaker 1: to go up there. And his intentions originally wasn't to
Speaker 1: go up there to to try to get him out
Speaker 1: of prison. He was just going out to look out
Speaker 1: as a friend and talk to the man who needed
Speaker 1: some money because his record company, Interscope at the time,
Speaker 1: was cut it cut it off, cut right in the
Speaker 1: checks for him, even though he had the number one
Speaker 1: album to come in the country out at the time.
Speaker 1: They was like, hey, your legal bills and all the
Speaker 1: fees and lawsuits and stuff, we can't cut you no
Speaker 1: more money. Shouldn't I stepped up to the plate. Why
Speaker 1: that's Snow trying to say that it was it was him,
Speaker 1: That's my point. That's my point. Niggas can say stuff
Speaker 1: like that because they think she has gone now and
Speaker 1: he can't reach out and he don't have spokespersons out
Speaker 1: here to tell it, and people cloud chasing off a
Speaker 1: Park's name to try to make themselves look cook good.
Speaker 1: Some motherfucking liar. The only thing that I may give
Speaker 1: Snow credit for possibility is Shi might have went to
Speaker 1: him because she'll do does talk like this, and said, Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm about to go see about Pop getting out or
Speaker 1: trying to go visit Pop. What you think about me
Speaker 1: maybe trying to get him other jail? And I can
Speaker 1: see Snoop thing. Yeah, yeah, make it happened off. You know,
Speaker 1: if you can make it happen, make it happen. That's
Speaker 1: the only possibility I'll give it. Well, I know it
Speaker 1: was a lot of jealousy when Tupac came home. I
Speaker 1: mean it came to death Row. And I know a
Speaker 1: lot of those guys man, because if you was number one,
Speaker 1: you number two or number three now because Tupac was
Speaker 1: the ship. You know what I'm saying, Just like Shoot
Speaker 1: said that dude go in the studio and was doing
Speaker 1: it off his head, and and and they and they
Speaker 1: and they tell him and in all the interviews that
Speaker 1: I ever hear them saying, they always said they love
Speaker 1: his work, that th that they learned his worth that
Speaker 1: good from him. Now Snoop saying this recently that he
Speaker 1: has something to do with it or is this a
Speaker 1: story that he's been saying for years. He's been well,
Speaker 1: you haven't heard it before, but lately, he's been on
Speaker 1: the gas. He's been doing songs called and this the
Speaker 1: new song he just wrapped about that that he just
Speaker 1: released in the last week, let Bygones Be Bygones. He
Speaker 1: talks about it in that song. So he's on the gas.
Speaker 1: Snoop Dogg is trying to be cool with you now.
Speaker 1: But what it's a reason? All right, I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: him now, they got a movie that they don't shot already.
Speaker 1: Who's that Snoop and people affiliated with him. It's been
Speaker 1: a lot of money, a lot of money on this
Speaker 1: movie already, but he and it's not a licensing the
Speaker 1: music to him, and they're not going to license the
Speaker 1: music until they get blessed in from shut And so
Speaker 1: I think that's what his get down there is. And
Speaker 1: I don't they just go to shoog and here he
Speaker 1: goes five million dollars dollars that much. You gotta you
Speaker 1: gotta warm me up, you gotta you gotta grease me
Speaker 1: up before you come to me and talk to me
Speaker 1: like that. I'm not saying that's not gonna eventually happen,
Speaker 1: but you come to me right now and say that
Speaker 1: after you've been dissing me and not fucking I'm working
Speaker 1: on my own ship right now. I'm doing my own movie.
Speaker 1: I got my own people. But the Snoop is is
Speaker 1: taking credit for bringing pop to death row, isn't that
Speaker 1: gonna piss Sugar off and not want to help him
Speaker 1: with the music that he needs for his movie. He
Speaker 1: just did this in the last week. He just probably
Speaker 1: ain't heard about it yet and so he probably haven't
Speaker 1: been able to reach out and talk about it. And
Speaker 1: he don't want to piss Snoop off either, because they
Speaker 1: got some things working, they got some things working. They're
Speaker 1: cool right now. They got some things work, because it
Speaker 1: does matter. So your point is to say, Okay, snoopbody
Speaker 1: here Ryan on shugk Dick now didn't want to be
Speaker 1: cool and saying he did this and did that. Let
Speaker 1: me show y'all that Snoop ain't got a mother fucking
Speaker 1: thing to do with want, so stop it. So that's
Speaker 1: your point Planet, Okay, But just because Snoop is not
Speaker 1: mentioned by Sugar the conversation does not mean Snoop didn't
Speaker 1: have a role in it. I'm not disagreeing with you
Speaker 1: reg what I'm just saying. The phone call don't prove nothing,
Speaker 1: go ahead any credit. The only thing improves is that Snoops,
Speaker 1: I mean Tupac's wife is the one that should have
Speaker 1: got credit for hooking him up. Because if it like
Speaker 1: he should have said it, then if it wasn't for
Speaker 1: his wife, this would have never happened. So that's the
Speaker 1: one who get credit. There's no Snoop, There's no no
Speaker 1: Nate Dog, no Reggie Rights. Nobody can take credit for
Speaker 1: that because his wife hooked it up. According to Sugar, Well,
Speaker 1: Sugar is the main one that that that don't even
Speaker 1: know if if Tupac I mean Snoop would have saying
Speaker 1: you need to go get him out of jail, sure
Speaker 1: would have said that we need to get Tupac on line,
Speaker 1: we need to get him out of jail, we need
Speaker 1: to get him down here. Death Bro never had a
Speaker 1: conversation like that. Show. Tupac has nothing, I mean, Snoop
Speaker 1: has nothing like that. You know, I'm just saying sound.
Speaker 1: All I'm saying is you're you're assuming that maybe this
Speaker 1: is just over your head. I got over my head.
Speaker 1: All are assuming everything that was just said in that
Speaker 1: conversation is the truth. But why you have to lie
Speaker 1: about that? I don't know why should lie about anything
Speaker 1: he liked about, you know, I don't know. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying that you're assuming it as a truth. I was
Speaker 1: there and so I know most of the stuff I
Speaker 1: would don't like Snoop. So anything against Snoopop, I just
Speaker 1: like the truth. I just know the real I just
Speaker 1: don't bullshit many of the episodes another one. So if Sugar,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, this this clears everything. So if Sugar
Speaker 1: and Snoop Dogg is doing ship right now, what difference
Speaker 1: does this make? Who run two? Got you? If I
Speaker 1: gotta jail? They passed that they're working together, and now
Speaker 1: Snoop is trying to butter his way in to get
Speaker 1: Ship to say, okay, I need your help on this music,
Speaker 1: to you to release this so we can go on
Speaker 1: and put this movie out. So if they're doing this,
Speaker 1: then I mean that's had. It has no relevance to
Speaker 1: what the Cats is doing. Now. They're working with each other,
Speaker 1: with Reggie is saying Snoop need to stop saying some
Speaker 1: false bullshit out there. That's the bottom line. You're already
Speaker 1: sucking with Sugar, y'all doing y'all things, and there's no
Speaker 1: need for you to try to take credit for something
Speaker 1: that you haven't done. But today this recording is he
Speaker 1: relevant because who gives a fuck Tupac is gone, so
Speaker 1: it don't matter who got him by to jail. Whoever
Speaker 1: got him by the jail and want to take credit
Speaker 1: for it, and they can take credit for his death.
Speaker 1: You didn't say the man like when he was out here,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying on and motherfucker's out of
Speaker 1: here on some bullshit. So man, I wouldn't take credit
Speaker 1: for getting him out. I wouldn't want that. All I'm
Speaker 1: saying is I agree what you read. But what I'm
Speaker 1: saying is this phone call doesn't prove that it's just
Speaker 1: one man telling his version of what happened. That the
Speaker 1: nf CEO telling what's happening. The man that went and
Speaker 1: got him, the one to put the million point five
Speaker 1: up for him to get out. But Snoop don't have
Speaker 1: a track record of being a liar, Like how many
Speaker 1: that's not get down of doing interviews and just blatantly
Speaker 1: sit where you saying nas and then was about the
Speaker 1: whoop on us and and he was snapped just like
Speaker 1: Snoop speaks to whoever the motherfucking audience is and whoever
Speaker 1: he's trying to impres said that time is what he says.
Speaker 1: I can tell you about five different lines that snooped
Speaker 1: and told all right, I want to talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about this call outside of the Snoop issue. I
Speaker 1: found it interesting that that Sugar actually said Poc didn't
Speaker 1: have nothing, and he was already a superstar at this time.
Speaker 1: Why was it that Park had no support? His mama
Speaker 1: was homeless doll ninety nine. PC already had a movie career,
Speaker 1: He already had like two or three albums out. How
Speaker 1: come he had nothing? How much money was getting he
Speaker 1: always said, because of the legal bills and all of that.
Speaker 1: I'll say that, and people that was working for him,
Speaker 1: So from me, I'll say it again. His mama was homeless.
Speaker 1: That's all I want to say. What's the guy what's
Speaker 1: the guy name that played in UH and IQ movie Friday?
Speaker 1: The pops Um I know you're talking about. He said,
Speaker 1: the first, the first uh, the first Friday. He got
Speaker 1: paid first five thousand dollars, five thousand dollars. You would
Speaker 1: think he was rich after that. But but this is
Speaker 1: all something because we were on the outside looking in
Speaker 1: we don't know how much this guy was getting paid.
Speaker 1: When two when snooping him was when they first came
Speaker 1: and dropped they they they their music. Snoop wouldn't getting paid, Snoop.
Speaker 1: Shoot bought the car for his birthday. He gave it
Speaker 1: to his mama. He didn't have money like that. Those
Speaker 1: guys didn't have no money until what after? What? What?
Speaker 1: What's he needs? Well? Snoop? When then when had his
Speaker 1: own money? Snoop part of um he had already ran
Speaker 1: up a bill of four and a half to five
Speaker 1: million dollars before dropping one album for his legal defense. Okay,
Speaker 1: I was just wondering what was poks financial status. He
Speaker 1: had a lot of legal fees. Um, he had a
Speaker 1: lot on legal situations. And I hate speaking negatively on
Speaker 1: Park because he has a lot of fans and they
Speaker 1: get mad when you talk negative. I think broke it
Speaker 1: did show you if you can't bail out of jail,
Speaker 1: if you can't bail out of jail, you just high
Speaker 1: figure like show great point million a half dollar and
Speaker 1: you think you you think this is a millionaire, and
Speaker 1: then you can't bail out of jail on a ten
Speaker 1: million dollar. Now the shows your your your true stats.
Speaker 1: You could argue that Park even at that time, was
Speaker 1: the number one rapper on the plane. Was it just
Speaker 1: he had a number one album out in the country.
Speaker 1: Couldn't be Bruce breen Stree greatest straightest out, greatest Hits album.
Speaker 1: He was number one on the chart timing and then
Speaker 1: they broke. At what point did they start making really
Speaker 1: really start making money? You know what I'm saying, got bad.
Speaker 1: Charlie Wilson, You tell you those stories. Why why did
Speaker 1: you say that Jasmine guy didn't put anything on pox books?
Speaker 1: Because people always saying how you had all the high
Speaker 1: profile friends that were doing that was successful. And Pap
Speaker 1: was saying, how he's gonna live off females and he's
Speaker 1: going to delive up and ship pointed to him was
Speaker 1: what females came through for you? Who came through who
Speaker 1: helped out? No Madonna, he was part of going to jail.
Speaker 1: You were saying that, uh a warshow or somewhere with them.
Speaker 1: We got pictures out there where they were writing each
Speaker 1: other love letters in prison. I think that love letter
Speaker 1: just wrote so for thirty or forty dollars recently online
Speaker 1: that you know that that they wrote back and forth
Speaker 1: to each other. But did she step up to the plate,
Speaker 1: did she come and pay for it? Did she put
Speaker 1: the me happen just part of the game. Well, at
Speaker 1: that time, Jasmine guy was pretty close to Park Jasmine
Speaker 1: Jada Um, Sally Richards, Janet, Janet, Well Janet and Janet
Speaker 1: After fully Justice, I got to hear the story from
Speaker 1: where he was. They're gonna hook up and they're gonna
Speaker 1: kick it, she said the day. Then the next day
Speaker 1: he tried to call that phone number number was changed,
Speaker 1: that Janet Jackson. But you know he he always said,
Speaker 1: Michael didn't want it. All right, where's Keysha that today?
Speaker 1: The wife that got Noman? That's what chill point was
Speaker 1: in talking about. They said that these are the type
Speaker 1: of person we need to be talking to an interview
Speaker 1: on because this is you're out there listening. You know,
Speaker 1: here's just a successful attorney somewhere now. But yeah, they
Speaker 1: got a Yeah. They said she was a smart young
Speaker 1: lady and so she must have been from the New
Speaker 1: York area because at that time that's what talk was
Speaker 1: based at. I know nothing about it, Like I said,
Speaker 1: I was around it for eleven months and she never
Speaker 1: came around. Um, all right, keeps we gotta we gotta
Speaker 1: find you, We gotta track you down because you're a
Speaker 1: big part of this history. Um. If if what she
Speaker 1: said in this phone call that we just played at
Speaker 1: the beginning of the episode is true, you are the
Speaker 1: reason the call. You are the reason part coming to
Speaker 1: death Row records then and you get say, we're getting
Speaker 1: built out. They thought it was funny when she was calling. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't think they thought it was funny. I think
Speaker 1: they didn't think it was her. You get a lot
Speaker 1: of treats that part, that's the that's the part are
Speaker 1: that you know somebody's calling that Park's trying to reach
Speaker 1: out because she had been trying to get there Frow
Speaker 1: before in ninete and and and Park was like, now
Speaker 1: now I'm cool where I'm at? How cool over there
Speaker 1: in the scope and so all of that probably played
Speaker 1: a part. So what happened to uh Ifannyshakor's house in
Speaker 1: Atlanta that should bought for for her? I think they
Speaker 1: still living, They still have it. They still have that house. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's the house. It's not Atlanta, it's the city
Speaker 1: right outside of Atlanta. Yeah, we'll figure look up the
Speaker 1: city next to Atlanta. The letter D the cat I
Speaker 1: don't want to mess with Atlanta in the house and
Speaker 1: Decatur back and the nineties was probably like less than
Speaker 1: like a four bedroom, five bedroom house, a little bit
Speaker 1: of nothing for a death row at the time. That
Speaker 1: was the flight that we cost. The fly from New
Speaker 1: York out there on the private plane traveling to go
Speaker 1: see Park probably cost more than buying that house. He
Speaker 1: was standing in the Peninsula. He had one of my
Speaker 1: security guards, big psych and Park was in the US
Speaker 1: in the suite. You know, they have bungalows over there.
Speaker 1: I think the hotel bill a day then was three
Speaker 1: to five thousand dollars a day. He stayed in there
Speaker 1: for three months. Now. I had a legal question because
Speaker 1: when Park was incarcerated, he obviously didn't know he can
Speaker 1: get out, and I'm I'm thinking that Sugar's attorney figured
Speaker 1: out a loophole to bail him out on appeal that
Speaker 1: most people can't bail loud on appeal. Yeah, that's um. Well,
Speaker 1: if you have the money, you can. Um you have
Speaker 1: to be willing to put up whatever the amount. Ye,
Speaker 1: it's pretty sometimes automatic, especially on civil and I know
Speaker 1: that about the self civil judgments. But he, like you said,
Speaker 1: he had to have a reason to be appealing the
Speaker 1: case to get out. So this is Kenner made the
Speaker 1: deal happen, but they needed a New York attorney to
Speaker 1: you hear some people that want to shoot down death
Speaker 1: Row and said she never did it, Jimmy, I been
Speaker 1: said on the fighting ones that they don't want to
Speaker 1: put up the money they did. They cut the check,
Speaker 1: but they builded the death row. So ship, I don't care.
Speaker 1: I got a credit card in my pocket right now.
Speaker 1: I just want to buy some gas credit credit. Capital
Speaker 1: one is going to pay for it. They paid it
Speaker 1: up front to these people, but I gotta pay that
Speaker 1: ship back. If not, you know, they're gonna come after
Speaker 1: whatever I want to have or or suit me. So
Speaker 1: you know that's the argument that some people have. I hear,
Speaker 1: I don't know this for a fact that uh Madonna
Speaker 1: attorneys had started some paperwork um to get it the
Speaker 1: process going. Um. But I was always told it was
Speaker 1: David Kenner that made it happen. Well, I guess that
Speaker 1: was some real clever legal work to bail Pock out
Speaker 1: on appeal after he was convicted of with like a
Speaker 1: second re rapera and I feel like I don't know
Speaker 1: how active some of these other documentaries were about his case,
Speaker 1: but it looked like he should have never even been
Speaker 1: in prison. In the first PARSI that the chick gave
Speaker 1: him a blow job on the dance floor in a nightclub.
Speaker 1: He came back home, but what he did had messed up.
Speaker 1: He kind of did what Kobe Bryant did. He kind
Speaker 1: of did with uh well, Mike Tyson. Did he treat
Speaker 1: him like ship after big mistake. You don't treat a
Speaker 1: woman like that after you know you're honestly believe that's
Speaker 1: why the woman did that. For sure. They didn't have
Speaker 1: no man send them to get them. Because she felt
Speaker 1: she was in love with Park or not in love.
Speaker 1: She wanted to be with Pop Pop. There was corrupting them.
Speaker 1: Said in the song with the dog Eat style on
Speaker 1: Doggi Style, they passed it to the homie. Once she
Speaker 1: passed them to the homie. Is there a is there
Speaker 1: a chance or a likelihood that the homie raped her
Speaker 1: and that had nothing to do with Park. That's what
Speaker 1: she portrayed. That's how well, that's what she said in
Speaker 1: her interview that she gave about a year ago. I
Speaker 1: know you don't follow I didn't follow it, I know,
Speaker 1: but I don't want to watch that one. Okay, I
Speaker 1: can't look at the bed. All right. Um, interesting phone call,
Speaker 1: and I mean I can talk about this for a
Speaker 1: whole another thirty minutes, but I want to know about
Speaker 1: james trip to Australia and uh, you went on a
Speaker 1: five city or three city tour? Well we started off
Speaker 1: at five, but we we did three. Um. It was
Speaker 1: a beautiful place, man, it was it was all the
Speaker 1: people was nice, had a good time. We have one
Speaker 1: not a bad incident, but we have one lady talking
Speaker 1: crazy in the audience. You know. He told that story
Speaker 1: on the last show. Yeah, so it was a good
Speaker 1: thing because none of the other people, I mean everybody
Speaker 1: attacked her and I didn't have to say about that.
Speaker 1: But other than that, man, the beaches, I mean it's
Speaker 1: so clean. It's is you know, tell us about the
Speaker 1: weather here. That was like wintertime when you was it
Speaker 1: was wintertime, but the weather was so bum man, it
Speaker 1: was just you just walk out and when we were staying,
Speaker 1: you walk right out the door, make it right, and
Speaker 1: you're right there on the beach. And man, just to
Speaker 1: see the beach and the sunrise come up in the
Speaker 1: morning out there, man was beautiful. I said I would
Speaker 1: move there. I would move. The people so nice, but
Speaker 1: those people are so strict on other people coming to
Speaker 1: their country, to coming out there, as if you're gonna
Speaker 1: change it. They like everything the way it is. You
Speaker 1: don't see no crime. Man. It was one of the
Speaker 1: guys Melachar got a ticket for two hundred and sixties
Speaker 1: six bucks for thumping a cigarette butt on the ground.
Speaker 1: This is where they're not playing. Our city is gonna
Speaker 1: stay clean, and you're gonna pay for it if you
Speaker 1: dirty it out. I heard my son this came from Japan,
Speaker 1: and he told me they don't even have public trash
Speaker 1: cans out there. He said. People were walking around with
Speaker 1: like little trash bags. The throw of their trash. Well
Speaker 1: they had they had this little just a little truck
Speaker 1: come dumped the trash. Thirty minutes later, here come another one,
Speaker 1: so they own it they. I mean, it's so beautiful, man,
Speaker 1: watching these women exercise early in the morning. Every guy
Speaker 1: you see out there, it got on the tight shirt.
Speaker 1: It makes you feel bad and no really, it makes
Speaker 1: you feel like you you you're just using your body
Speaker 1: in a bad way, because everybody is so fit, even
Speaker 1: the older people. You're not a lot of obesity at
Speaker 1: all at all. And and their food is totally different
Speaker 1: from ours. And and the only thing I see them
Speaker 1: doing it, The only way I see them killing themselves
Speaker 1: is the way they drink. That's it. But other than that,
Speaker 1: I mean, but you got older women sitting there at
Speaker 1: the bars while they're eating, taking shots. But they're probably
Speaker 1: so healthy and other aspects of their life they could
Speaker 1: afford alcohol. You know. I doubt if they even uh
Speaker 1: know what diabetes is down there. I doubt it, I
Speaker 1: really do. You didn't you never seen the police um
Speaker 1: sirens and the police that we've seen didn't have a gun.
Speaker 1: But when we went to the club, they had. They
Speaker 1: had pistols on them. All of these guys that I
Speaker 1: was hanging in and I met at the bars. We
Speaker 1: don't carry guys. We know. I never had a gun
Speaker 1: to day in my life. I never had one of
Speaker 1: my hands. It's like, what right now? Did you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying? That's what I'm telling them, But it, man,
Speaker 1: I learned a lot just by being there. You know.
Speaker 1: We take what we have here. I mean, we take
Speaker 1: like for granted, just saying how those people live and
Speaker 1: how those people get along with each other and they
Speaker 1: coincide with each other. Everything is so good, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Whether they go to the little casino
Speaker 1: and gamble, you lose your money and I'm gonna go in,
Speaker 1: they come out, they're fucking in. Put it in the machine.
Speaker 1: You ain't gonna see that out here. Well, they do
Speaker 1: got a history of extreme racisms against the Aboriginal people.
Speaker 1: We don't want to give them a pass of being
Speaker 1: like some utopian society. No, I'm just saying from what
Speaker 1: from my perspective, what I've seen, they're good. Have you
Speaker 1: seen any Aboriginals when you were there those guys when
Speaker 1: we went down to where the some Morns and all
Speaker 1: of them at and they call it the Lord Bottom
Speaker 1: or whatever. Man, you should see how the people interact
Speaker 1: with each other. And they's like stay today's self. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. We had this just just one
Speaker 1: lady was walking by. I don't know this dude. He
Speaker 1: looked at purple and he was exchanging his money because
Speaker 1: he was leaving, and she, oh good, he's out of here.
Speaker 1: They're leaving. They knew they're changing their money and they
Speaker 1: must get about it here. So this is everybody stays
Speaker 1: to theirselves and do them and they know you you dirty.
Speaker 1: You tell me when they called him the N word
Speaker 1: out there, when one lady called him the N word,
Speaker 1: but she said, everybody else said they had deal with her,
Speaker 1: they had discipline her, and they took offense to it.
Speaker 1: They took offence to it. And everybody in that audience
Speaker 1: was like, what the she just say? And then I
Speaker 1: walked out, I dropped, I set the mic down, and
Speaker 1: I'm and I'm like, oh my god, what how do
Speaker 1: I react to this? So when I turned my back,
Speaker 1: I'm really trying to like, man, dude, dude, you know
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to be just cat coming from Constance. Do
Speaker 1: I just attacked this female? So when I turned my
Speaker 1: back and I hear all the people, I said, let
Speaker 1: me let this play out. But guess what. She laid
Speaker 1: down and had two kids with a black man. Now
Speaker 1: now she got four black kids by by African dude.
Speaker 1: She tried to stay their case, tell her whole story.
Speaker 1: I go outside and I'm smoking a cigarette because I
Speaker 1: just ran around the whole building from her. She chased me.
Speaker 1: So yeah, exactly. So the whole time I'm sitting out
Speaker 1: here smoking a cigarette, here comes to these women. These
Speaker 1: women was like, no, I'm evenna put her ass out
Speaker 1: of here, and we don't treat our guests like that. Man,
Speaker 1: Australia is lovely. So the woman is telling me and
Speaker 1: and telling me, like where you know what? You want
Speaker 1: to go to my room? You just call me a nigger.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. She said, no, it ain't.
Speaker 1: She said, told her son, my nigga, come here, Come here,
Speaker 1: my nigga, and everybody looked. Everybody looked at her. Everybody
Speaker 1: looked at her and was like she is tripping. But
Speaker 1: she had a lot of drinks. She had a lot
Speaker 1: to drink. And they toss him. I'm sitting there with
Speaker 1: two cats and they want to take a picture and
Speaker 1: they asked me to have a drink win him. I said, okay.
Speaker 1: They started taking off their shoelesser, what's this this? Uh
Speaker 1: damn a bootlegs, a boot front or whatever whatever? It was?
Speaker 1: My bad food forgetting the name of it. They pulled
Speaker 1: the beer in their shoe and start drinking it. So
Speaker 1: they think, I don't know, man, I've been walking too long.
Speaker 1: And need shops. I'm not being to drink shop. I
Speaker 1: ain't doing it. So but anybody lady soon wind up
Speaker 1: telling her, come on, it's time to go. You're tripping.
Speaker 1: So and it was his birthday and she brung in
Speaker 1: for for his birthday to see the show and then
Speaker 1: she got drunk in act before. But she trying to
Speaker 1: get me in my room to go to my room.
Speaker 1: I don't think she press. So, who's fault is it
Speaker 1: for saying my nigga? Quote unquote you're just about to
Speaker 1: say who's fault that? Rappers? Ok? Yeah, I don't say
Speaker 1: no all of them know, just goes back to yeah,
Speaker 1: I call your niggas and my nigga all the time.
Speaker 1: Eminem in proof of them, the people that was hanging
Speaker 1: around him when they when when they allowed when they
Speaker 1: allowed eminem eminem however, he says name when they allowed
Speaker 1: him to use the words. So now for people say,
Speaker 1: because I'm cool with black folks or the black guys,
Speaker 1: I'm cool, so I can say that one she called
Speaker 1: her son. She called her son on one rapper culture
Speaker 1: hip hop has used that word very loosely. They never
Speaker 1: lose it when trying to be cool. They used that word.
Speaker 1: She was saying that we're in a term of endearment
Speaker 1: because they started that allow him that, yeah, she had
Speaker 1: her hands. She's called her son that you're a cop
Speaker 1: and you she loved her son. Well it's a point
Speaker 1: of respect. I don't care what it is because she's
Speaker 1: been doing it and don't dispect no big old black
Speaker 1: niggah up here. I can say she had babies. She
Speaker 1: ain't got not prejudiced. You don't do that. Didn't know
Speaker 1: what she was doing. All right. So while he was
Speaker 1: on this tour in Australia, you were, you were doing
Speaker 1: the tour with Greg Hating, former l ap D officer,
Speaker 1: big investigator. How was that? How did that go? It
Speaker 1: went real good, man, It went real good. You know,
Speaker 1: he did his show, He did his thing, and then
Speaker 1: I came in on people asking the questions and it
Speaker 1: was basically part of my life. A lot of things
Speaker 1: they've seen him blad. They asked questions about that, um
Speaker 1: and you know, I tell everybody, it ain't too much
Speaker 1: of Tupac that I dealt with. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I wasn't part of they clicked. I wouldn't. My brother
Speaker 1: did his name with with with Tupac. Now that that
Speaker 1: wasn't my whole get down, And and all of the
Speaker 1: questions that people asked was basically, you know me and
Speaker 1: shug Uh, why didn't I like Tupac? Now, I never
Speaker 1: had a problem with Tupac, but I just didn't believe
Speaker 1: Tupac come in and just saying he from my hood,
Speaker 1: he from the mob. No, it don't work like that.
Speaker 1: Tupac just came jump. I don't care how much money
Speaker 1: you got. I lived and banging for this ship. I
Speaker 1: just heard tray von On on first Saide Park was
Speaker 1: a damn mob part rule didn He said something along
Speaker 1: those lines. And to james point is number one, you
Speaker 1: don't think trade is in the position to put him on.
Speaker 1: But number two he said in Jameson said Bunchy and
Speaker 1: and and and neck Ball did so he had to
Speaker 1: respect that. But he said because they were o gs
Speaker 1: and people that that uh paved that way. But he
Speaker 1: just said as his opinion and and with his status,
Speaker 1: he would not allow with it. And I understand what
Speaker 1: you a'm saying on that part. I understand both sides.
Speaker 1: I understand. And that's what Jay said. He never got
Speaker 1: in the car and did bust a great for them
Speaker 1: him showed, you know, but the other four would be
Speaker 1: I didn't find that a lot of ships going on
Speaker 1: over here, you know, Like you said with that you
Speaker 1: would from Okay, how people have done things other than
Speaker 1: jumped in the car. I agree that you don't have
Speaker 1: to bust. You don't have to shoot people up to
Speaker 1: earn your reputation in the hood. But grow up there
Speaker 1: and be there when you were thirteen, fourteen, fifteen Park neighborhood,
Speaker 1: living in the neighborhood, and that game banging, it's called
Speaker 1: guilty by association. That's all that because well, you know
Speaker 1: from the neighborhood, so everybody's gonna assume you from there anyway.
Speaker 1: That's totally different from coming. And then this guy passed
Speaker 1: and you see these cats with Tupac tattoos. No, y'all
Speaker 1: got like funked up. That's wrong. Okay, what about all
Speaker 1: of the all of your homies that you've been knowing
Speaker 1: for thirty years that's passed and you ain't put a
Speaker 1: mark on your body for now one, So you're telling
Speaker 1: me a different story. You can get to know Tupac
Speaker 1: for ten months and and and say this is the
Speaker 1: O G. No, you're not know O G from I
Speaker 1: think money could buy you into almost any Hood's changed
Speaker 1: a lot of the homies. You've got a lot of
Speaker 1: talent in every hood. In every hood, somebody come out
Speaker 1: of there and make it that person start looking out
Speaker 1: for the homies. Once you start looking out for the homies,
Speaker 1: it's hard. It's just stop looking out for the homies.
Speaker 1: And every story ends up the same way because we've
Speaker 1: got people like that. Little Wayne claims the mob. What's
Speaker 1: your opinion about Little Wayne? And when when she started
Speaker 1: that act ship without said we at never seen this
Speaker 1: little nigga. Good credit to ship for a little Wayne. Uh,
Speaker 1: we have to get out the term. Okay, I understanding
Speaker 1: when he came to the wolf is in that bush
Speaker 1: him and and and all them cats from from down
Speaker 1: when it was at in that big bush smoking them
Speaker 1: hug But you ain't from the mob. Okay, Well, po
Speaker 1: do you you know Pooch? We can say, I can
Speaker 1: say I could throw a whole bunch of names the
Speaker 1: people that that didn't grow up with. This is what
Speaker 1: these guys just doing that that don't have to you
Speaker 1: see Nick Cannon. Nick Cannon ain't no blood not that
Speaker 1: I know. Why do you have to live like that?
Speaker 1: You don't even want that title? This is my thing
Speaker 1: to them guys. The same thing with with Chris Brown.
Speaker 1: You don't even want that title. Why would you want
Speaker 1: to fit in and be a part of that. That's
Speaker 1: not how you living. But on the other hand, employing
Speaker 1: about five dudes that wouldn't normally have jobs that that
Speaker 1: that that's eaten good off of them, Big Dave and
Speaker 1: Duck and all of that were even good because of
Speaker 1: their relationship in their association with and that's cool, and
Speaker 1: that's cool, and there's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing
Speaker 1: wrong with that. I just say I would are different,
Speaker 1: it would be done, and I wouldn't look out for
Speaker 1: those guys. I would employ those guys with something that
Speaker 1: they're good at and give them a business and be
Speaker 1: a third owner, be a part owner to it. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Ip post to being subject to
Speaker 1: all of this, or you ain't from the hood. Now
Speaker 1: you got to prove that you're from the hood with
Speaker 1: a cat that's mad and everybody give me you more
Speaker 1: cloud than than you're getting. But you the killer. But
Speaker 1: that's usually the ones that's on the outside that that
Speaker 1: got a problem. But that's if you're supposed to have
Speaker 1: a problem. That that's where the problem comes from. You
Speaker 1: are my hood repping, and and just because you're taking
Speaker 1: care of homies, you ain't putting it down like we do.
Speaker 1: We let this every day. Man, five dudes from from
Speaker 1: from their it could be thirty. Yeah you can be
Speaker 1: put on, Yeah you can be put on. You could
Speaker 1: be put on anyway. So I came by my way in. However,
Speaker 1: get you basically that's what you're doing, buying your way
Speaker 1: in pretty much because you ain't started from scratch, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So if if, if, if it's
Speaker 1: gainst by nature not by choice, whether you fit in
Speaker 1: at you don't fit in because this is two thousand
Speaker 1: and nineteen. Don't come in here and and at two
Speaker 1: thousand and seventeen to say you're a game banger. You're not.
Speaker 1: You feel me, you're not. You got these women coming
Speaker 1: up here talking about their game bankers. You know what
Speaker 1: I did to game banging broads. I treated them just
Speaker 1: like niggas, just like niggas. But if you want to
Speaker 1: sit here and wear raging flagging in my face, you
Speaker 1: got me fucked up. I kill you like I do
Speaker 1: one of them dudes. I treat you like I treat
Speaker 1: the nigger and that, and that's that's her fault, because
Speaker 1: you're putting yourself in a situation that you don't belong in.
Speaker 1: You don't belong in this world. Find them line. And
Speaker 1: those guys just making money, man, never make your money
Speaker 1: to do something right with it. Chris Brown, you're listening.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about all of them. All those guys just
Speaker 1: want to be thug niggas and ain't thug niggas, and
Speaker 1: and and and ain't ready to to stand up to
Speaker 1: that goddamned first chest when the big homie come at
Speaker 1: you and say I won't woot the woof when you
Speaker 1: ain't ready to give it, they're gonna bust your ass. Now.
Speaker 1: They didn't put you out. I should have the right
Speaker 1: niggas around me taking care of me to say, hey,
Speaker 1: I got a calm James down, dog you need to
Speaker 1: deal with Somebody got to talk to him. Somebody got
Speaker 1: to talk to him. You got one of them in
Speaker 1: every hood, every hood, if if, if, if you stop
Speaker 1: what you're doing for me. You shouldn't have put me
Speaker 1: out there like that you shouldn't made me feel like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm ship, I'm good. Now you're gonna tell me you're done,
Speaker 1: you ain't. I can't look out for you no more.
Speaker 1: Get your bit ass out of here. And that's how
Speaker 1: it goes. And that's what they do because they're not
Speaker 1: getting it and they're not shining like that no more.
Speaker 1: So I tell all of these cats, if you ain't
Speaker 1: trying to trying to put yourself in a A, I
Speaker 1: ain't gonna even use Nipsey in a tuparc and a
Speaker 1: and a bunch ofy and hand run and all of
Speaker 1: these other cats situations. Man, you don't have to be
Speaker 1: from a gang. You don't have to be from a
Speaker 1: game to be a man. Year old James Versus year
Speaker 1: old years old learned from history, pay attention to what
Speaker 1: happens with other cats, such as yourself in the same
Speaker 1: position you in that's making money. You don't got out
Speaker 1: the hood, but then you come back with everything that
Speaker 1: you would you made, and then now you gotta splurt
Speaker 1: it Like mc hammer, he's taking care of all of
Speaker 1: these people. And at the end of the day when
Speaker 1: he was broke, how many of them are still there?
Speaker 1: Ain't that many there, Ain't that many left. Ain't that
Speaker 1: many there successes of motherfucker, you gotta get you're gonna
Speaker 1: keep it. You gotta stay away, you gotta stay away.
Speaker 1: Ain't nothing wrong with getting out the neighborhood man, and
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with it. This is why I'm where I'm
Speaker 1: at right now today, because I understand that now I
Speaker 1: don't have to be violent to be somebody. But I
Speaker 1: think I think it's also a business move for guys, artists, rappers,
Speaker 1: singers to take on a gang identity because they're trying
Speaker 1: to get street cred. They're trying to get They understand
Speaker 1: that fans buy records from people like fifty who get
Speaker 1: shot nine times, you can come back. And I think
Speaker 1: it's a protection move all day. It's hard going into
Speaker 1: you going to an other clubs, other towns with other
Speaker 1: I mean, because there's gangsters, and every town in New
Speaker 1: Orleans got their niggas. You don't want to Detroit everywhere.
Speaker 1: But if I'm bringing Ale Reptable like James with me
Speaker 1: and and and the Neckbone and Bunty and all of them,
Speaker 1: and I'm coming walking in there, don't niggas fot real
Speaker 1: recognized real, and they spot each other and they know
Speaker 1: how to talk to each other. You look at it,
Speaker 1: it stays that I say that, it's kind of weird.
Speaker 1: What what James or Bunty will say. They'd be like,
Speaker 1: oh okay, those are real niggas, and I think they
Speaker 1: get accepted a little more. And I think that's why
Speaker 1: do it? Well, when you see real, recognized real, you
Speaker 1: ain't so quick to approach that. You gotta. You gotta
Speaker 1: come with a different way on getting this cat and
Speaker 1: not just walking up to him and slapping it. Now
Speaker 1: we got altercation because this nig are gonna pipe back.
Speaker 1: We know that, so now we're gonna have to catch
Speaker 1: him outside when he opened his mouth, just pill his
Speaker 1: cat and do what you do. It's totally different. You gotta.
Speaker 1: It is a certain way to deal with every cat
Speaker 1: out here. Ain't no one hell of a nigga and
Speaker 1: he running the whole planet. It just don't work like that.
Speaker 1: You ain't the badest cat. You're gonna run into a
Speaker 1: cat that got hands and and gonna get you. So
Speaker 1: just amount of time. But those dudes don't have to
Speaker 1: do that. Those dudes are making money. If you want
Speaker 1: to put money, who said you can't put money back
Speaker 1: in the neighborhood. Who said you gotta be a part
Speaker 1: of the hood to clean up the hood. You don't
Speaker 1: have to do that. So those excuses and then us
Speaker 1: as black man, when we get out, look what we're doing.
Speaker 1: We they're sucking up. We are They're going to these
Speaker 1: these pretty as places getting charged for touching fucking females.
Speaker 1: You dudes are are man. I'm keeping one hunting man.
Speaker 1: I had motherfucking sending my motherfucking left and buying me
Speaker 1: three drinks at the time. Wait a minute, hold up,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm married, And it was it was, it
Speaker 1: was damn saying. You know what I'm saying, You don't
Speaker 1: just because who you are, you don't have to touch
Speaker 1: a woman like that. You don't have to be a
Speaker 1: disrespectable ass cat. But we we we take advantage of
Speaker 1: it and we funk up. Now the money going down,
Speaker 1: everything going down. You're back in the neighborhood. But you
Speaker 1: you can't come back to the neighborhood because you ain't
Speaker 1: got no money. You can't help nobody. You're done. So
Speaker 1: these these man we gotta wake up. We we truly
Speaker 1: gotta wake up. I seen some beautiful ship out there. Man,
Speaker 1: the most peaceful is people I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 1: And it just said, man, I gotta step my game up.
Speaker 1: Australia is beautiful. Well, I think you were getting the
Speaker 1: celebrity treatment because your history. So I don't want everyone
Speaker 1: who's listening to the average brother think, Hey, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go to Australia and get treated the way. Guarantee you
Speaker 1: if you just go out there, you ain't gotta be
Speaker 1: uh doing those shows and nothing. Go sit at the
Speaker 1: bar and see how do people come at you, come
Speaker 1: and talk to you and sit there. Where are you from? Matekay?
Speaker 1: Let's you start messing around with their women and you
Speaker 1: just some regular dude visiting from the United States of America.
Speaker 1: You know, You've got a lot of people that come
Speaker 1: from America and still down there, especially the military guys
Speaker 1: come down there. They stay down there and they hook
Speaker 1: up and and they meet a woman and they live
Speaker 1: in their life out there. I'm just saying, man, it's
Speaker 1: just the way we treat ourselves. We don't have to
Speaker 1: be the way we are the United Stage, California, l A, whatever.
Speaker 1: We don't have to be like that. I think not
Speaker 1: having guns in a society like that is one of
Speaker 1: the main things that makes it more appealing. Ball my
Speaker 1: fish and we fight, mate, and we go home sabble,
Speaker 1: and that's a beautiful thing. Man. We don't squabble in America. Man.
Speaker 1: Just just imagine nine cats get out of the car
Speaker 1: just to fight three cats that's standing there on the corner.
Speaker 1: I guarantee you you ain't gonna get that many fights
Speaker 1: because all these cats ain't good. From here. It's easy
Speaker 1: to shoot somebody, man, It's not hard to shoot nobody.
Speaker 1: And once you pull the trigger at one time, you're
Speaker 1: gonna keep popping. You're gonna keep popping because the ship
Speaker 1: feel Does it feel good? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But just to get out and just just throw hands
Speaker 1: and then okay and get back in the car. No, no, man,
Speaker 1: we really got to pay attention to the way we live.
Speaker 1: And and see, man, I should is short. We sell
Speaker 1: it not short. I said short. Every day the way
Speaker 1: we live out here, the way we live period. They
Speaker 1: drinking the alcohol out of the Your shoe is called
Speaker 1: a shoe a shoey. I couldn't do it. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: hadn't been, idn't been up. But I thought you ended
Speaker 1: up doing it. No, you didn't do it at all.
Speaker 1: Don't know. I ain't drinking. He supposed to participate in
Speaker 1: all that. I didn't participate. I took that beer and
Speaker 1: drinking that. They kicked his ass on that he's spit
Speaker 1: in half in the cup and he had to spit
Speaker 1: that out and they were like, and they finished it.
Speaker 1: I got that on video time. I don't know what
Speaker 1: are you talking about. Stopped drinking. Go to Nick None's
Speaker 1: Instagram and you'all can see it. Drin drink. Couldn't drink
Speaker 1: with the boys. James can't drink with the boys. He
Speaker 1: embarrassed us over there a lot of these countries. I'll
Speaker 1: drink you, you know, the England, Ireland, austral Then out drink.
Speaker 1: I went to this one guy slick house, drink, Bring God,
Speaker 1: bring mom. James over to us. Man, come on, let's
Speaker 1: have a shot and we can we can. Wouldn't do
Speaker 1: God got nice, nice little shut up. He got two
Speaker 1: different types of liquor, but they dark. I didn't want
Speaker 1: to say no, I don't drink dark liquor. He got
Speaker 1: this monkey sitting on his table with his uh. He
Speaker 1: puts his joint in his mouth and let him do
Speaker 1: his thing and it blows whatever. I don't know, James,
Speaker 1: I don't know. And then we take another shot. We
Speaker 1: leave from there and go somewhere else. Here we are,
Speaker 1: we taking another shot, and then we get you, my boy,
Speaker 1: what we did this this this interview. There he got
Speaker 1: like nine women, not women are in his house. I'm
Speaker 1: walking up the sidewalk. This is to a married man,
Speaker 1: exactly exactly they were. They were young women. The young women.
Speaker 1: I'm that guy that don't do I'm fifty four. I
Speaker 1: don't do nothing under forty. You out to be old,
Speaker 1: old enough to deal with it. I don't do chilling.
Speaker 1: So I'm walking up just his driveway. The dude got
Speaker 1: the gym the whole nights. So I said, this dude
Speaker 1: better be buffed with all of this exercise equipment in there.
Speaker 1: You got a tennis lion in his garage. So I
Speaker 1: go in there. I've seen may nice chunky Chucky cat
Speaker 1: said he came from one of the little islands out
Speaker 1: there and and made his way there. No selling, no drugs,
Speaker 1: no nothing. So he got all of these different little
Speaker 1: businesses in these houses set up with with all of
Speaker 1: these women that do interviews with people. What type of
Speaker 1: drugs they have over there? I don't know what I
Speaker 1: ain't saying, but it was one of those. One little
Speaker 1: cat at the club was like you got some some
Speaker 1: type of ship. And then the girl that was with us,
Speaker 1: she was like, may now you get out here enough
Speaker 1: here know somewhere else. With that, he turned around and
Speaker 1: went upstairs. You know, we didn't be and like what
Speaker 1: you're talking to He just went up the stairs. Right.
Speaker 1: They're just so cool. So what basically what I'm saying
Speaker 1: is is we don't have to live the way we
Speaker 1: live in But I mean, I guess is we customed
Speaker 1: to it the way we are and everybody good with that.
Speaker 1: But just go just go out there and see it.
Speaker 1: You you'll come home thinking totally different, especially about your
Speaker 1: life and the ship you put in your body. Well,
Speaker 1: it sounds like you had an amazing time in Australia.
Speaker 1: Hopefully the next time you go, all of us can
Speaker 1: go like a tensity tour. I've never been Australia, but
Speaker 1: I definitely want to go. But let's get into a
Speaker 1: couple of questions before we wrap up this episode of
Speaker 1: The Gangster Chronicles. The first one I want to ask
Speaker 1: is I guess I guess Reggie, you might know this.
Speaker 1: Uh oh. Someone actually says they remember you mentioning this
Speaker 1: on bomb First, that Shook shot himself by accident at
Speaker 1: the Kanye West after party and they were a little
Speaker 1: confused on what actually happened based on what you said
Speaker 1: on Bomb First. I said it was that was investigated
Speaker 1: and that was my opinion. But Shook sue Kanye West. Um,
Speaker 1: but there's people out there now from um Jimmy Henchman
Speaker 1: camp that's uh taking credit for it. Okay, So, Um,
Speaker 1: he didn't shoot himself on accident. It was investigated. It's
Speaker 1: still my opinion, um, because I know some investigations going
Speaker 1: down while he's on proovalation and the way the the
Speaker 1: gunshot appeared to be going down. But he sued Kanye West,
Speaker 1: sending someone that is out too roch and recently someone
Speaker 1: from Jimmy Henchman UM camp came out saying he was
Speaker 1: the one that did it. And so there's two theories
Speaker 1: on that he he shot himself or someone Jimmy Henchman
Speaker 1: did it, or someone from Kanye West camp was Jimmy
Speaker 1: Henchman connected to Kanye's camp. Okay, so three theories. Jimmy
Speaker 1: Henchman one of Kanye's people, or he did it himself
Speaker 1: and you believe he did it himself? Why is that
Speaker 1: just the way? Uh? In the pants and and his
Speaker 1: parooser was really on it. They almost violated on it.
Speaker 1: And he had a go through some some legal troubles
Speaker 1: that I know behind the scenes too to prove and
Speaker 1: they just they just went on and dropped it and
Speaker 1: nothing at all and suld sue Kanye. What came about
Speaker 1: that lawsuit? Was there a settlement or I think this
Speaker 1: got dropped all right? That question came from a swim
Speaker 1: Factor on Twitter. I appreciate that. Um James, when you
Speaker 1: walked away from my part, aru, did you ever feel
Speaker 1: that your life was in danger? That's a question that
Speaker 1: came in on Instagram. Did I ever feel like my
Speaker 1: life after you walked away? I know you probably while
Speaker 1: he was living my party, your life was in danger
Speaker 1: every day life your your Yeah, your life is in
Speaker 1: danger every day. But the question was really really from
Speaker 1: your own homies like lead the Hood, not at all,
Speaker 1: not at all. Uh No, when I when I left
Speaker 1: and decided to that that this one for me and
Speaker 1: and I'm living a whole lot. No, I walked away.
Speaker 1: I said I'm done, And I honestly believe that if
Speaker 1: I'm done, no more throwing up the size, no more
Speaker 1: saying blood, no more, none of that. So I put
Speaker 1: all of that to the side, and we'll just walked
Speaker 1: away and just y'all leave me alone. I leave y'all alone.
Speaker 1: I'm cool. I think that's important because there's this Hollywood theory.
Speaker 1: Law enforcements also believes this that once you're in the gang,
Speaker 1: you can never get out. A long time ago, they
Speaker 1: have they have shipped like that, and I believe the
Speaker 1: Messicans that's one of they, Uh, who's going to this
Speaker 1: when when you get jumped in, either you get jumped
Speaker 1: out of you get killed. Some of my things, so
Speaker 1: you can look that up. And I don't believe that happens.
Speaker 1: A long time ago. A long time ago, that was
Speaker 1: one of the that was one of the rules. But no,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I walked away and and a
Speaker 1: lot of cats walk away or disappear or what have you.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, everybody ain't cut for it, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And I think when when your
Speaker 1: time is up, your time is up. You don't have
Speaker 1: to die to get out the game. I wouldn't fin
Speaker 1: the die to get out. So basically to me, if
Speaker 1: you try to kill me, you better do it right
Speaker 1: the first time, because if you shoot me and don't
Speaker 1: what's going on, then I I don't have a choice
Speaker 1: but to come. Look at you. You were just over
Speaker 1: there in the hood with James about two weeks ago.
Speaker 1: How did you feel when you was with you? Oh?
Speaker 1: I felt I felt great and that I thought that
Speaker 1: was a great example of you walked away from the hood,
Speaker 1: But you're welcome to come back and talk to time.
Speaker 1: You want to come and go back over there and
Speaker 1: I go kick it and shit down dominoes whatever if
Speaker 1: I well, I used to go over there to sho
Speaker 1: down and have a drink. Uh. Where we was at
Speaker 1: over there, Mom's just just that's my baby, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I just pull up and go see
Speaker 1: her or go around the corner. And you even saw
Speaker 1: him at his mother funeral and you've seen a little
Speaker 1: that was given there. Absolutely well, I mean all of them,
Speaker 1: all of those cats was there from the neighborhood and
Speaker 1: my mom's funeral. Yeah, and uh and uh that's that way,
Speaker 1: I'm scared and uh, I'm just you know, I'm just
Speaker 1: maybe like funerals. Because we also revealed on the previous
Speaker 1: episode of The Gangster Chronicles you didn't go to bunt
Speaker 1: of his funeral, which if you guys want to hear
Speaker 1: that story, go back about two or three episode. Because
Speaker 1: I was actually surprised you you were surprised because I
Speaker 1: thought him, I know, I've seen his dad. I thought
Speaker 1: I've seen him and his that. But I mean that
Speaker 1: ain't no sweat off nothing. I mean, yeah, I see.
Speaker 1: Everybody gotta understand, man, I had a relationship with the
Speaker 1: rights way before the rights became police officers. It wasn't
Speaker 1: his before he was before before his dad became a
Speaker 1: police officers. His uncle Johns worked at uh Market Basket. Uh.
Speaker 1: His uncle Ulysses was our baseball coach when we were little.
Speaker 1: I know, the whole family, the sisters, his aunties. Man.
Speaker 1: I used to be so in love with him, and
Speaker 1: when we would go down the street just to take
Speaker 1: out the trash for him, you know, we his grandma
Speaker 1: and grandpa. I used to go over there and we
Speaker 1: used to go to the grocery store. So what do
Speaker 1: you think when his father became a cop, and then
Speaker 1: he became a cop, being a ma paru being in
Speaker 1: the streets, like, oh wow, the rights turned police. Even
Speaker 1: even when when when him, Jaws and all of them
Speaker 1: became police. Offer with Reggie and Jaws was finished six
Speaker 1: and we was a little younger. The privilege we had
Speaker 1: when he was the jailer. You know, they didn't want
Speaker 1: to give up cigarettes because you know, he would give
Speaker 1: a cigarettes. And and that was pretty all the guys
Speaker 1: that came through company police station. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Not as a jailer, not as a jailer, but I
Speaker 1: have history. His cousin Tony Little Will. All of these
Speaker 1: guys slid in our backyard on the concrete, went the
Speaker 1: concrete down and slide playing. So I go away further
Speaker 1: than that. So when they when Reggie turned police officer,
Speaker 1: it was I mean, we were still in your I
Speaker 1: was a police explorer fourteen. It was always dest that
Speaker 1: you know, he was gonna be like his daddy. But
Speaker 1: like I said right now, today, Reggie was a different
Speaker 1: type of person that people didn't know way back in
Speaker 1: the days. He just became a police officer. Now need
Speaker 1: them broke up out of that that that that uniform.
Speaker 1: This thugs in over here. Man about to go to
Speaker 1: a federal pitip sentry. I don't know if you wanted
Speaker 1: to talk about it. I ain't telling how I'm loan,
Speaker 1: but I'm on my way. But you said you looked
Speaker 1: out for I guess the people that you grew up.
Speaker 1: And when they came to the jail, Biggie and all
Speaker 1: of them, Biggie that told stories gonna bomb first where
Speaker 1: he was about to get rushed, and he said when
Speaker 1: he saw me, it was like the red I can't
Speaker 1: even know what you're doing in there with the niggas
Speaker 1: got him out. So it's been situation shaved me one
Speaker 1: day with with Eric. He was behind me, well allegedly
Speaker 1: behind me in the drive by shooting. So you Shay,
Speaker 1: who was Eric parrodon or whatever your name. And he
Speaker 1: was a police officer at the time at the time,
Speaker 1: he's a d A now and American American. He was
Speaker 1: apparently behind me. So as this situation went down, we
Speaker 1: buck the UH left going through the hood and next
Speaker 1: time we heard sign where sirens was heard. But when
Speaker 1: they called me, I was sitting down on the break wall, chilling,
Speaker 1: doing the whole nine kicking with all the others and
Speaker 1: they pulled up. He take me to jail, and he
Speaker 1: basically told me, I saw you shoot these motherfuckers. No
Speaker 1: you didn't, No you didn't. We need to get your
Speaker 1: daddy on here because this true story. So I'm in
Speaker 1: there and I'm telling you, no, you didn't. You didn't
Speaker 1: see me do nothing. So uh, he thought he was
Speaker 1: going to do something. But I've always plucked him at
Speaker 1: the limp with plunge every time Louis Park, Louis Park swimming.
Speaker 1: I used to walk through there and just haven't penned
Speaker 1: sucking over fifty cent. And we might have gone through
Speaker 1: now to a cop, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: he thought he played the big cop role all them
Speaker 1: in there. They unhandcuffed me. Hey come Big Red and
Speaker 1: he talking ship but looked over. When I seen Big Ridge,
Speaker 1: I got kind of like, more man, fuck you, you
Speaker 1: ain't see who whoo. So he goes to try to
Speaker 1: get me and I lunched back at him. He could
Speaker 1: have whoop my ass in there, but Reggy said, hold
Speaker 1: up topic and Reggie grabbed Bamas Church snatched me out
Speaker 1: there there. Do you know what you're doing. He could
Speaker 1: have went real bad in there for me, So I
Speaker 1: always thank him for that saving my ass, just just
Speaker 1: trying to be an asshole. Did you and Eric Cartty
Speaker 1: never you know Dannel never met him, never talked uh
Speaker 1: after after he became a police he became was he
Speaker 1: I think he was a d a Then I know
Speaker 1: I wasn't going to go to jail and have to
Speaker 1: deal with that dude. And then he became the mayor,
Speaker 1: so I was like, man, I used to what was
Speaker 1: this guy? And and and that goes to show man,
Speaker 1: you never know who you funk with. When you when
Speaker 1: you're dealing with somebody, messing with somebody, you never know
Speaker 1: what that person is gonna be. Then this time you
Speaker 1: see them. I say this to everybody. You can mess
Speaker 1: with the simplest person and that could be a demon,
Speaker 1: he could be a devil. You don't know who you're
Speaker 1: dealing with. And then you go messing with these people
Speaker 1: and then you get the shoulder end of the stick
Speaker 1: and then we complain. Ain't no complaining, it's too late.
Speaker 1: You don't you don't bid off too much already you
Speaker 1: started this ship. So I mean, man, we just gotta
Speaker 1: we just gotta fix this us, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And I just think and I wish all of us
Speaker 1: could just just sit out and pay attention to each
Speaker 1: other and just say, we don't have to kill each other.
Speaker 1: We don't have the gang bang. Let's get a big
Speaker 1: as boxing ring and then put these cats in the
Speaker 1: ring on the weekends and you can bet on the
Speaker 1: fight and do whatever. Put the gun, yeamn, you don't
Speaker 1: need the gun. We need to learn how to accept
Speaker 1: ass whopens I mean they do. Some cats don't know,
Speaker 1: and they ain't had that fight because it's always about
Speaker 1: a pistol. A lot of these cats ain't had no
Speaker 1: hand to hand, no no squad for a lot of
Speaker 1: these young cats thrive off of fade. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, how you should be a long time ago. Now, Man,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna kill his cat and get it over with.
Speaker 1: I'm fifty five, fifty four. I ain't finified. I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna blow your head off. No, why are you in
Speaker 1: this situation to do that? Anyway? Well, when you got
Speaker 1: a big age difference or generational difference, the youngster that's
Speaker 1: twenty one years old ain't gonna go head up with
Speaker 1: the O G. That's fifty two or fifty three or not.
Speaker 1: I agree, why not. But in most instances you're not
Speaker 1: gonna see that. If you ain't gonna see it. If
Speaker 1: you respect me, respect me to the fullest. Don't have
Speaker 1: as respect me just because you I'm the big homie.
Speaker 1: If I said this is the way it should be,
Speaker 1: or don't do it like this. I didn't play this
Speaker 1: game before. So I know these little cats out here
Speaker 1: in the street right now that they are hard hit it.
Speaker 1: They ain't listening to you. You you have to kill
Speaker 1: one of them. But it is a waste of fucking life,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And nine times out of ten,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, why did you kill
Speaker 1: that dude? You can honestly sit there and be kicking
Speaker 1: it with the homies and drinking. Why are you killing No,
Speaker 1: I just felt like shooting that food. Come on, man,
Speaker 1: that don't make no damn sense. And that's what I've
Speaker 1: never had a reason why. But he was a crip,
Speaker 1: or he was this or he was that. That's the
Speaker 1: only reason I had to do what I had to do.
Speaker 1: But this is what we're doing. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: all right, Reggie and James, this question is for both
Speaker 1: of y'all. If you can go back in time during
Speaker 1: the early death Row years, what would you do different
Speaker 1: that could possibly have changed the trajectory of Death Row forever?
Speaker 1: What can you if you can go back in hindsight course, Reggie,
Speaker 1: what would you do different? Um? Well, the obvious question
Speaker 1: is September the seven, what is it? Let's not go
Speaker 1: to this fight. Stay our asks in content, Let's not
Speaker 1: go to the fight. But you got the club six six,
Speaker 1: Let's stay home, Tupac, go watch it, go watch the Uh.
Speaker 1: You got that big old spot in Wilshire, on Wilshire
Speaker 1: with a big old, nice big screen TV that you
Speaker 1: just got. Well, you got this nice little house in Calabasas.
Speaker 1: That's well, you know, everybody's at go watch the fight there.
Speaker 1: That's Monday back quarterback. And that's so I don't believe
Speaker 1: in that, you know, trying to change you know, time
Speaker 1: and all of that. But yeah, that's a question. And
Speaker 1: that's what that changed. That was the start of the
Speaker 1: downfall of the front. They got shiged, got chilled by
Speaker 1: later they got you got shuged nine year violations. You
Speaker 1: did five pod losters life, and then a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of other things trickled out of control after that, I
Speaker 1: mean personally out of truly stayed on sugar Head. I
Speaker 1: should have stayed on sugar Head. Uh, I could have.
Speaker 1: I should have had a better, uh way better understanding
Speaker 1: with my brother. I'd have told him, cast this ain't
Speaker 1: how we're doing it. This is a business, treated like business,
Speaker 1: and and everything is cool. We didn't have to bring
Speaker 1: game baying and all that bullshit into this business because
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, we all lost. But
Speaker 1: I would have definitely stayed on sugar Head and then
Speaker 1: not have them bring all those guys in like that.
Speaker 1: If we're gonna go back to the hood, we can
Speaker 1: go back to the hood and take care of hood
Speaker 1: from this perspective, not from a gang perspective. You feel me,
Speaker 1: So I definitely would have stayed on Should come on, shoo,
Speaker 1: this ain't the right way, This ain't the way we
Speaker 1: should do it. And if he had listened, then because
Speaker 1: She'll had so much influence with all the people, everybody
Speaker 1: in that business is should could have got what he wanted.
Speaker 1: People understood that Should was was ready for whatever we
Speaker 1: was ready to fight. We was ready to do our ship,
Speaker 1: but we should have been more structured and that in
Speaker 1: that business and looked at up, looked at it from
Speaker 1: a longevity point opposed to right then and then type
Speaker 1: of ship. But I would definitely try to be on him,
Speaker 1: been on him and my brother slow your goddamn rolled
Speaker 1: and I probably would have just walked away as easy
Speaker 1: as I did. He probably you probably want to listen
Speaker 1: to you though. He would him, he would have, but
Speaker 1: I didn't apply that. I just let him do that.
Speaker 1: And and you know, it's it's a lot to it,
Speaker 1: and a lot of people don't understand, you know what
Speaker 1: we say, Like now, it's a lot more insight to
Speaker 1: it is a lot of the ship that was going
Speaker 1: on from the inside of it that that prevented a
Speaker 1: lot of real ship and positive ship from happening because
Speaker 1: everybody was on different pages and everybody wasn't working together. Everybody.
Speaker 1: You had you had guys hating the homies hating the homies,
Speaker 1: you had homies talking to other motherfucker's just trying to
Speaker 1: figure out when some other individuals getting paid. And it
Speaker 1: was it was a bunch of different ships that happened
Speaker 1: and led up to this. Things should have changed when
Speaker 1: Tupac came. And then that's why I said, well it
Speaker 1: should should have stepped his game up and said, Okay,
Speaker 1: I gotta protect this. This is this is high this
Speaker 1: is how we do this instead of just letting everybody
Speaker 1: just go just just run loose, and it is what
Speaker 1: it is. Actually, I have a question in in the
Speaker 1: MGM incident, there were no right way security in that entourage.
Speaker 1: Am I wrong? Okay? How many were there? Because if
Speaker 1: I'm in hindsight, I would say I would keep two
Speaker 1: people on POC to security on POC at all times.
Speaker 1: And if if Sugar is there are three, if if
Speaker 1: pockin Sugar together three so that that whole Orlando Anderson
Speaker 1: incident would have never happened and then everybody still be alive. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because and I say this too, with Reggie security there,
Speaker 1: and then you take brunchry Neckbone and and and uh
Speaker 1: and Heron and George, you just take somebody from there
Speaker 1: and their security they they policing Reggie security and Shoe
Speaker 1: and Tupac. They should never be in a way of
Speaker 1: nothing at homes way of anything. Tupac, like they said,
Speaker 1: he's hard hited. He took off on his own where
Speaker 1: you can't control that unless you have dudes on him.
Speaker 1: But would have had him, I would have been on
Speaker 1: him and wouldn't have been bad. I wouldn't trusted y'all
Speaker 1: a long pop because y'all got the gangster mentality. But
Speaker 1: that's what I'm would have been like joining in pop
Speaker 1: when when? So, who are you gonna take to the fight.
Speaker 1: You're gonna take You're gonna take the homies to the fighter.
Speaker 1: You're gonna take a much scarity cards to the both.
Speaker 1: I mean, all y'all know each other. The Homies was
Speaker 1: in there anyway, you know, had tickets and and that
Speaker 1: was like we didn't have tickets. Think that's why the
Speaker 1: outlaws got left that house. If Tray would a Shane
Speaker 1: Orlando good ruge, y'all just got into it. You know,
Speaker 1: its only cracket on site. He should have took off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: come back, I mean we could talk about what if.
Speaker 1: That's definite um. In his defense, he was pretty much
Speaker 1: saying that he was coming to get permission from his
Speaker 1: homeboys to do that. Who should Well that's when he
Speaker 1: by saying, I was talking to my big homies. I
Speaker 1: wasn't talking to two pop. That's Trade defense. And he
Speaker 1: never really went into detail about this in any interview.
Speaker 1: I know you had him on Bomb first a while ago,
Speaker 1: but very brief interview. He didn't want to answer too
Speaker 1: many questions. I know you to talk to him about
Speaker 1: this many talks how That's how I got the I
Speaker 1: was one of the ones. That's what he called me
Speaker 1: if I was a little red. Why do you keep
Speaker 1: saying I whispered in his ear? I didn't whisper in
Speaker 1: his ear. Your security guy is the one that started
Speaker 1: that rumor. I talked to Trade the day we did
Speaker 1: the interview, and I caught him on on the on
Speaker 1: the Block and uh, he said, and we agreed to this.
Speaker 1: I told him, yeah, I said that you he's the
Speaker 1: one that whishper and said YadA YadA, because she that's
Speaker 1: what she told me, that you whispered. If you wouldn't
Speaker 1: have whispered too, I used to say it, okay, So
Speaker 1: so Sul actually told you that Trade that he said
Speaker 1: he didn't, I said, okay, exactly, And I came back
Speaker 1: on the show and and and switched it up. Trade
Speaker 1: bonds there a sugar night life for you right there.
Speaker 1: Mistake is not a lie just because he said he
Speaker 1: don't know this is what was out there. You saying
Speaker 1: I was lying, Let me let me say I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm just responding to this. I just said we had
Speaker 1: a good If y'all believe that Trayvon Lane did not
Speaker 1: whisper in pox here, there's so it came from all
Speaker 1: of us. I used to say it. But I'm a
Speaker 1: liar because I used to say that that's what we perceived,
Speaker 1: that what we always heard. That's when we all all read,
Speaker 1: that's what we all put out there. A video showed
Speaker 1: the video that you didn't see that after that show,
Speaker 1: after that episode aired, somebody sent me a message chain
Speaker 1: there's another video. I don't know if it's true or not.
Speaker 1: It's another video or sixty minutes has another video where
Speaker 1: Trayvon Lane is whisper in his ear. Of course, I
Speaker 1: guess they should put that out. There's no but but
Speaker 1: we can only go by Trayvon's word, and I'm just
Speaker 1: saying what he reported, or until we see that video,
Speaker 1: then I gotta go by based on the man word.
Speaker 1: And did anyone ever Sugar or James, do you ask
Speaker 1: you why did you say that? If no, no, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's long after and when he said that, that's what
Speaker 1: I went by at this time. I'm not talking another
Speaker 1: believe that. I believe that I just had with this.
Speaker 1: He told me that when I was doing any interview
Speaker 1: with you, and okay, I'm saying, okay, no, So now
Speaker 1: you gotta think. Okay, if if if Trayvon didn't say that,
Speaker 1: somebody told Jupark who this cat was, because tray Bon don't,
Speaker 1: I mean Tupac don't know this dude from Jack the
Speaker 1: correct point. He said, I was talking to Bountry Neckbone Shilk,
Speaker 1: who was standing right there as well, my big homies.
Speaker 1: I'm coming to tell my big homies, Hey, there's the
Speaker 1: dude that I got into would or snatched my attempt
Speaker 1: at to snatch my change whatever the words were. Who
Speaker 1: knows what the work. But his whole point was, I
Speaker 1: didn't go whisper in pox air. I'm talking to my
Speaker 1: big homies, letting them know, and he over heard and
Speaker 1: took off in ran That's what he told you. That's
Speaker 1: what he's telling me. Hey, that's his story. It could
Speaker 1: be rehearsed, it could be after Monday back quarterback. I
Speaker 1: don't know. That's his story. Yeah, I mean it could
Speaker 1: be true. We don't know. I mean, it's it's a
Speaker 1: terrible thing to have people the world. I think that
Speaker 1: something you did cause pox death. No, no, not defensive traypon.
Speaker 1: I didn't tell the man to go take off. He
Speaker 1: did that on his own. Pockets are grown ass man
Speaker 1: twenty years also a grown man. Don't say that. Why
Speaker 1: as they saying that now? But they're claiming he from
Speaker 1: the hood and all his other bullshit. None of your
Speaker 1: because you from the hood. You don't mean you have
Speaker 1: to go take all when you gotta school and you
Speaker 1: don't know Jackson about that, don't And he had to
Speaker 1: go take off and do that. He could have said,
Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna get that nig as soon as
Speaker 1: he walked out of the plan well instead of out
Speaker 1: of the land, they should have snatched part off of
Speaker 1: him and took him the funk out of this and
Speaker 1: then they got him out there real good. I thought,
Speaker 1: I went to Lando and they got away, because what
Speaker 1: was gonna with that onge? What nobody did you see?
Speaker 1: How people getting it was damn foods. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: a little too late, so you know, it's that's what
Speaker 1: I would have did anyway, somebody should have stopped Pop,
Speaker 1: whether it was Right Way security or somebody from mob
Speaker 1: right with scary didn't get him on him. But I'm
Speaker 1: saying before he took off, before he started running, you're
Speaker 1: gonna get over your pocket running and grab him back.
Speaker 1: The video, I mean, he wasn't running, he wasn't doing
Speaker 1: ad this. This, This was walking past the homies. Get down. Now.
Speaker 1: The homies should have been to the side in the
Speaker 1: conference like mac man let me how let you now
Speaker 1: I didn't. They're gonna entourage and just you know, talking
Speaker 1: with all them people and you can actually hear what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. That's one thing they should have pulled
Speaker 1: to the side, and the homies shops should have got
Speaker 1: all the homies and homies. This motherfucker's right here. Now
Speaker 1: we do some game, bank and ship. It ain't tupark
Speaker 1: job to do this. Tuparc ain't getting paid to beat
Speaker 1: up no comforts, some comfort. Goddamnit. These are rivals. Let's
Speaker 1: go a hand on our business. And that's what that
Speaker 1: question came in from Mia Lynn on Instagram. I want
Speaker 1: to thank her and everybody else for submitting questions, and
Speaker 1: that is going to wrap up another edition of The
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