WEBVTT - Jay "Pablo Michaels" Manuel

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<v Speaker 1>Celebrity Book Club. Will Stephen and Lily please step forward.

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<v Speaker 1>Two beautiful girls stand before me, but only one of

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<v Speaker 1>you will continue on in the hopes of becoming America's

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<v Speaker 1>next top model in the winner of a one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars contract with iHeartRadio on the Outspoken Network. Lily,

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<v Speaker 1>when you came into this competition, no one thought you

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<v Speaker 1>could hack it. You were a mess, You were slurring

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<v Speaker 1>your speech, you seemed tired. One of the judges thought

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<v Speaker 1>you were high. You could barely put one foot in

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<v Speaker 1>front of the other, and you didn't even know how

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<v Speaker 1>to tie your shoes. But week after week you've improved

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<v Speaker 1>or what this competition is all about. You've showed grit, determination,

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<v Speaker 1>and a chameleon like quality to make us laugh in

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<v Speaker 1>various different disguises, like your Charlie Chaplin photo shoot, which

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<v Speaker 1>blew our socks off. But there's one thing you still

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<v Speaker 1>don't have, and that's good teeth. And your refusal to

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<v Speaker 1>get adult braces suggests to the judges that maybe you

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<v Speaker 1>don't have what it takes to go far in the

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<v Speaker 1>real world of modeling.

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<v Speaker 2>Tyra, thank you so much for this chance. Today I

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<v Speaker 2>double knotted my shoelaces in Midtown Manhattan, and I was

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<v Speaker 2>thinking I couldn't have done this six weeks ago. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>hearing so many voices in my head, and sometimes I'm

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<v Speaker 2>told by the girls or Miss Jay that I shouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>get braces because then I'll never get the contract with

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<v Speaker 2>Elle Lily.

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<v Speaker 1>What I'm hearing is excuses. Thank you for saying your piece, Stephen.

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<v Speaker 1>You have everything Lily doesn't, but she has everything you need.

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<v Speaker 1>You came into this competition brilliant, a strong face, a

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<v Speaker 1>severe jawline, wide hips. Every week. The judges have been

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<v Speaker 1>wowed by your consistency. But there's one thing you don't have,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's a normal hairline. We've tried to get you

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<v Speaker 1>to wear wigs and you refuse. So why is your

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<v Speaker 1>inability to change so prominent? And why are you refusing

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<v Speaker 1>to do what you need to do to make it

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<v Speaker 1>in this business?

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<v Speaker 2>Tyra, don't get it. When I was a little boy

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<v Speaker 2>on the school yard, a girl came up to me

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<v Speaker 2>and she pulled my hair and she pulled a patch out,

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<v Speaker 2>and she said, you'll never make it in this town ever,

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<v Speaker 2>And that day I promised myself I would make it. Bald,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't care what you say, Taira. I'm gonna make

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<v Speaker 2>it bald.

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<v Speaker 1>Watch me. The judges have made our decision. America's next

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<v Speaker 1>top Model is Lily.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much. I'll do whatever. I'll take out

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<v Speaker 2>my people, I'll get danchers.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember this moment. You earned it. This is your moment hip.

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<v Speaker 2>Obecca's that next top model. Oh my god, Oh my god, Stephen,

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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna get a contract for all. I'm sure cut.

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<v Speaker 1>Who's that knocking at the door. It's all your friends.

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<v Speaker 1>You've filthy horse, your husband's gone, and you've got books

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<v Speaker 1>and a bottle of wine to kill.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Hollywood, it's books, it's gossip.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm shook. It's memoir, it's martinis.

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<v Speaker 2>Celebrity Poop Club. Read it while it's hot.

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<v Speaker 1>Celebrity poop Club, tell your secrets.

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<v Speaker 2>We won't talk celebrity books.

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<v Speaker 1>No boys are a loud celet book, say it loud

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<v Speaker 1>and pound. Celebrity book Club.

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<v Speaker 2>Buzz me in. I brought the queer voe.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, my friend, Merry holiday season? Am I right?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god? Sorry, put down the eggnog. Wait. I

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<v Speaker 2>have to tell you about this completely insane I heard

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<v Speaker 2>on lay it on me radio that was just like, ugh,

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<v Speaker 2>is your aunt over the holidays? Like on your nerves?

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<v Speaker 2>Like and then it's like an impression of an aunt

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<v Speaker 2>and they're like, oh god, Susie has had so much

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<v Speaker 2>eggnog and she's like, so, who are you dating? And

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<v Speaker 2>then like the voiceover is like, want to escape from

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<v Speaker 2>like this dumbass aunt who keeps like asking you, like

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<v Speaker 2>why you're so single? Come to Boston. It was an

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<v Speaker 2>ad for Boston, an ad for Boston, and Boston is

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<v Speaker 2>the place where you escape aunts, which is just so

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<v Speaker 2>crazy because boss is aunt. It's like it is a

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<v Speaker 2>city of aunts.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so insane.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was like come like ice skate on the

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<v Speaker 2>frog pond, like shop on Newberry Boston.

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<v Speaker 1>And like the idea is that like instead of like

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<v Speaker 1>booking travel to go spend the holidays with your family,

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<v Speaker 1>you would book like a solo trip.

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<v Speaker 2>Single strip to Boston on Christmas Day.

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<v Speaker 1>Boston's a great place, you know, as a woman traveling alone,

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<v Speaker 1>safety is one of my top concerns, and Boston is

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<v Speaker 1>such a safe place I mean for women to be.

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<v Speaker 2>It would be such a good place if you were

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<v Speaker 2>like a single lawyer to take the Amtrak and be like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what, I'm going to get a room just

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<v Speaker 2>for myself on Boxing Day, you know, at the Copley Hotel.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so funny because I met my boyfriend when he

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<v Speaker 1>went to Boston alone over Thanksgiving, see, and you're.

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<v Speaker 2>A single woman. He literally was like getting way to

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<v Speaker 2>the big city of Boston.

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<v Speaker 3>And you were being like he was doing major and

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<v Speaker 3>you were being like local Boston tree keeping girl or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, honestly, go to Boston, like whether it's for

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<v Speaker 3>the holidays or like kind of that.

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<v Speaker 2>After that week between.

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<v Speaker 1>A KA Global Purgatory.

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<v Speaker 2>Boston dot com, check it out, hit us up for Rex.

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<v Speaker 1>There's so many things happening in Boston now.

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<v Speaker 2>There really are. I mean, it is beautiful around the holidays, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>let's just be real, if it's pray for snow. I

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<v Speaker 2>remember as a kid hoping for snow so I could

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<v Speaker 2>see Santa's little footsteps on my porch of my condo

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<v Speaker 2>was like so small, I had like a little deck.

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<v Speaker 1>You didn't think he was doing chimney stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Well we didn't have a chimney, so I was like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>of course for condos and lands on your very small

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<v Speaker 2>porch and slide the sliding door moves aside the kind

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<v Speaker 2>of copper planter and an African mask obviously, and then

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<v Speaker 2>one year there were like little kind of footprints and

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, uh, proof, dear done.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh like like some wildlife I've been there, and you're

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<v Speaker 1>like gotta be the brain bear or my parents like

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<v Speaker 1>imprinted it and they should have kind of like jostled

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<v Speaker 1>the mask on the walls.

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<v Speaker 2>Things are going crazy there, like, oh.

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<v Speaker 1>Gosh, my parents was the thing where they like they

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<v Speaker 1>left the like you know, two bites in the cookie

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Classic did you guys do carets too?

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<v Speaker 1>I do remember doing carrots at one point. Real was

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<v Speaker 1>that like a trend in Boston and like ninety seven

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<v Speaker 1>for us all to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Trends in nineteen No, the carrots are for the reindeer.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's what it was.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not like slim down Santa and so like slim fast.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now now I'm remember and it was like nilla

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<v Speaker 1>wafers and carrots and like glass of milk.

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<v Speaker 2>But I do love that instead of a glass of milk,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a glass of slim fast for Santa. Oh. In

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<v Speaker 2>these days, I'm sure Santa is having a collagen Smoothie arowon.

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<v Speaker 1>Santa Snatched Mama. Okay, she's looking good, making a new

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<v Speaker 1>notch in that belt.

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<v Speaker 2>Hmmm, Ozam to the GOLs.

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<v Speaker 1>Missus Claus is just like wait, I like you fat.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And it's like, oh, you're leaving me behind.

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<v Speaker 1>No, he's like more creating.

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<v Speaker 2>She's right, she's alop and he's so like protein pro Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's like making gains and like lifting so many like

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<v Speaker 2>wooden toys and like he's like, oh, I'm only eating

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<v Speaker 2>I guess he wouldn't eat venison, because that's means he

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<v Speaker 2>would be eating.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm reindeer. Some of them are for play and some

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<v Speaker 1>of them are for work, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>Work and play? Yeah, work hard, play harder, eat venison.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't play more with your reindeer speak speaking of

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<v Speaker 2>honestly looking snatched and also traditions changing. Yes, today we're

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<v Speaker 2>doing a book that I mean, we've done obviously fiction before.

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<v Speaker 1>This is maybe the most adult fiction we've done, although

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<v Speaker 1>that's really debatable. It feels like it's a children's book.

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<v Speaker 2>We've done children's but when we did Millie Bobby Brown's

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<v Speaker 2>historical novel, have we done a self published Actually it

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<v Speaker 2>was by word I think that's a site where you

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<v Speaker 2>do self publish, not.

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<v Speaker 1>To throw stove, literally like blog spot.

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<v Speaker 2>I think word you dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Wordy with two ease. Yeah. Yeah, it's giving him

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<v Speaker 1>self kind of thought. He had a meeting with like

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<v Speaker 1>the Wordy exact and they were like.

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<v Speaker 2>No, you're gonna be really taking care of this independent publisher.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm actually surprised that this wouldn't have gotten at least

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<v Speaker 1>like some imprint of Harper to come on, it's literally famous.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a tell all right.

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<v Speaker 2>Some kind of like pop culture imprint Samon Schuster, Harper.

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<v Speaker 1>Random Gallery Books, Hello anyone. Yeah, so it's basically it

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<v Speaker 1>is a tell all. It is fiction, but it's very

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<v Speaker 1>like the names have insightly changed and it is extremely

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<v Speaker 1>inspired by this person's real life experience.

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<v Speaker 2>Suddenly thinly veiled novel. And when I say the names

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<v Speaker 2>have been changed.

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<v Speaker 1>They've barely been changed.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, we are talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>You know him as mister J. Native director of America

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<v Speaker 1>Sex Top Model Mister J.

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<v Speaker 2>Is full name J.

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<v Speaker 1>Men Uel and his book. This is the title of

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<v Speaker 1>the book and it's.

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<v Speaker 2>In top Model font.

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<v Speaker 1>The Wig, the Bitch and the meltdown, the wig the bitch,

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<v Speaker 1>and the meltdown sorry, and the meltwn like lion the

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<v Speaker 1>witch in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess I got excited. Okay for one second, you're

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<v Speaker 2>actually being so Keisha right now.

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<v Speaker 1>So this book is all about a young, sexy, biracial

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<v Speaker 1>adoptee named Pablo Michaels who lives in a tiny apartment

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<v Speaker 1>in Midtown and gets whisked away at Mercedes Benz Fashion

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<v Speaker 1>Week whist Away.

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<v Speaker 2>So Pablo works as a Michael Course fashion producer and

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<v Speaker 2>guts whist away by supermodel Keisha Cash, known for her

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<v Speaker 2>modeling in a little catalog called Veronica's Privates.

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<v Speaker 1>And he keeps just being like, yeah, she was thirty

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<v Speaker 1>two and she was a groundbreaking black model in the

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<v Speaker 1>nineties and she is a little bit bigger now and

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<v Speaker 1>it's just like every other page and being like.

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<v Speaker 2>She was downing ribs, she does rips. So this book

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<v Speaker 2>is it's madness, how thinly veiled it is.

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<v Speaker 1>What's crazy about this book, though, is it takes place

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty basically, and America sexub model exists in

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<v Speaker 1>this universe.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the craziest reveal where basically like when Keisha

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<v Speaker 2>Cash pitches to Pablo that they should have a show

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<v Speaker 2>called Model Muse.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, Babe, that's just an America sext some model. She's like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>this time it's going to be different.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to be totally different. And in this kind

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<v Speaker 2>of crazy universe, it's revealed that Pablo has a mentor

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<v Speaker 2>and his mentor is j Manuel.

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<v Speaker 1>Like later book, it just gets so mad and there's

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<v Speaker 1>all these seeds where it's like him being like, ugh,

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<v Speaker 1>j Manuel was like so sexy. He was the hottest mentor.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I love my mentor.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's break down. I feel like, break down the characters

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<v Speaker 2>and what their names are, just.

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<v Speaker 1>To Yeah, there's there's a Janice Dickinson known as Sasha,

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<v Speaker 1>Sasha Berenson, Jane Sickens and Sasha Baronson, and Sasha Benson

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<v Speaker 1>is always drunk because they have a bottle of Chardonnay

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<v Speaker 1>before every shooting that it's like falling asleep and they're

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<v Speaker 1>pumping adderall on her.

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<v Speaker 2>So they're always like crushing up addall into diet coke

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<v Speaker 2>and giving it to her.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen, this book is funny and I pore through it.

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<v Speaker 1>It does feel like a book written for twelve year

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<v Speaker 1>olds basically, but like it also reads an adult novel.

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<v Speaker 2>It reads like an amazing crazy fan fiction you stumble

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<v Speaker 2>upon and you're like, oh my god, this is hilarious.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like it is fan fiction. It's basically fan fiction.

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<v Speaker 2>So Sasha Benson at the top, I'm a little mad

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<v Speaker 2>he doesn't give honestly, the alcoholic Sasha I felt enough.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she needed more sassy fun lines.

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<v Speaker 2>He just makes her like an alcoholic who always has

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<v Speaker 2>like a pulland spring bottle full of lot.

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<v Speaker 1>He CA's probably reflected with the fact that j Manuel

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<v Speaker 1>and Jenna Sickinson maybe just didn't interact that much. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because she was like there for judging and he was

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<v Speaker 1>obviously like hanging out.

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<v Speaker 2>With miss Miss Things.

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<v Speaker 1>So Miss Thing is the runway coach Jay Alexander, Miss

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<v Speaker 1>Jay and Miss Thing and him have this like rivalry

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<v Speaker 1>over the course of the show and ups and downs.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it starts out and Pablo is actually very

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<v Speaker 2>mean about Miss Thing and it is always like, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>like Miss Thing is like ugly and Miss Thing just

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<v Speaker 2>like it's all about herself and is always like making

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<v Speaker 2>quips and like wanting the camera towards her. And then

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<v Speaker 2>towards the middle of the book is like mad at

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<v Speaker 2>the antm editors for like, oh sorry, the model muse

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<v Speaker 2>editors for cutting out all of Miss things amazing lines.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, which she does kind of like suggest is more

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<v Speaker 1>tyra akakish cash just being incredibly narcissistic and wanting to

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<v Speaker 1>make herself the start of the show and like reduce

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<v Speaker 1>everyone else's personality and make sure that they're not like

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<v Speaker 1>to now the focus.

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<v Speaker 2>Because she's the focus. And then there is Mason Ah,

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<v Speaker 2>a British.

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<v Speaker 1>Photographer British photographer but a fashionhtographer who's very sexy but

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<v Speaker 1>very naughty.

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<v Speaker 2>And in this book is a closeted bisexual. Yeah. Clearly

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<v Speaker 2>I think mister Jay is fantasy.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for saying.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I think a lot of this book I think

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<v Speaker 2>is true.

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<v Speaker 1>You can tell what's fan and you can tell and

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<v Speaker 1>what's the nonfiction and we'll get into that. So I

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<v Speaker 1>love when Miss Thing is introduced again, who is a

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<v Speaker 1>run cipher for Miss j Alexander Pablo knew instantly why

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<v Speaker 1>Miss Thing was chosen controversy. He was known for his

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<v Speaker 1>Twitter account profile and then he like italicizes what the

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<v Speaker 1>profile is for all my lgbt Q X y Z,

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<v Speaker 1>rainbow colored friends of the alphabet. I am not bisexual, transsexual,

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<v Speaker 1>or a transvestite. I'm a gay man who parades around

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<v Speaker 1>a women's cature to confuse white straight America. He was

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<v Speaker 1>an appropriate, flamboyant, wicked, witty, and had been a runway

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<v Speaker 1>coach since the dawn of time. He was going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a handful also just calling him old.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it'd be like since the dawn of so.

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<v Speaker 1>Older than dirt. She's like, and he's not a woke activist, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>And that's getting America ruffled.

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<v Speaker 2>Because it's twenty twenty two and everyone's woke.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the part of the book where it's just

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<v Speaker 1>every time he's like trying to make it betweeny twenty

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<v Speaker 1>two and not two thousand and nine, it's a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit like why did we.

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<v Speaker 2>Why did we do this? Because then all the references

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<v Speaker 2>are just like Pablo was so mad that he didn't

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<v Speaker 2>get to go to the after party at tow and

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<v Speaker 2>Keisha made I made him come back with her to

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<v Speaker 2>her loft at three sixty five broom and have Hoggin

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<v Speaker 2>DAWs and Shuman like from Joe's Shang.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just like so it is two thousand and nine,

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to too, We're going to tell.

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<v Speaker 2>And then it's finally when Pablo gets a chance to

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<v Speaker 2>go to a rap party after season one of Model

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<v Speaker 2>Muse they go to Budicuin.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's insane, Buddha Kan like what. But I guess

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<v Speaker 1>he wouldn't have been able to insert himself as a

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<v Speaker 1>character in the book if.

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<v Speaker 2>It was, because he has to make it and met

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<v Speaker 2>and make himself like a young, like impressionable Pablo, but

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<v Speaker 2>also show to the world through this fan fiction that

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<v Speaker 2>he's actually so wise and it's fiction. And then the

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<v Speaker 2>last person that you may not think about but you've

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<v Speaker 2>seen on the credits of Top Model is ken Mock,

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<v Speaker 2>who is the executive producer of Top Model is Jovang.

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<v Speaker 1>Jouvong, who's portrayed as like this angry Asian male executive.

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<v Speaker 2>He always calls him the Korean which the so sex

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<v Speaker 2>and the City and actually so two thousand and one

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<v Speaker 2>of him and two sold and his storyline is that

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<v Speaker 2>he's this just like balls out producer who produced a

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<v Speaker 2>cops show called Officers with a Z.

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<v Speaker 1>Did Ken Buck actually produce Cops?

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<v Speaker 2>I looked up his IMDb and he did it, but

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<v Speaker 2>he did produce the amazing show The mussy Cat Doll

0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:03.280
<v Speaker 2>Search for the Next pussy Cat Doll, So he's actually

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<v Speaker 2>more like Top Model Pussycat Doll other reality shows, but

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't produce Cops.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So the one part of this novel that's not

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<v Speaker 1>just like basically a direct like retread of Jamie Manuel's

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<v Speaker 1>Top Model days and like him basically saying how much

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<v Speaker 1>of a huge bitch Tyra is every other page is

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<v Speaker 1>there's this like plotline I'm putting in quotes the word

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<v Speaker 1>plot line of like how Tyra's mom was arrested so

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<v Speaker 1>good on this Cops Stoke called officers with the z

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<v Speaker 1>that Joe Vong was producing and but it turns out

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<v Speaker 1>she was wrongfully arrested. And then she like sends her

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<v Speaker 1>own like ransom note with some blood to ty to exonerate.

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<v Speaker 2>Her and is basically begging Tyra to like use this

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<v Speaker 2>blood to like free her.

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<v Speaker 1>But then it's later revealed that Tyra Iki Kisha Kash

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<v Speaker 1>wants her mother to stay rotting in jail.

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<v Speaker 2>So she tells like one of the producers to throw

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<v Speaker 2>out the blood that would exonerate her. Oh and by

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<v Speaker 2>the way. Her mother's crime is that she was a

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<v Speaker 2>photographer at a morgue who stole jewels from the morgue.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, give it up for fiction with that one.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, this is so like the book I would write

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<v Speaker 4>if I were nine, but like Tyra's mom, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>What I mean, Like you're a genius nine year old

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<v Speaker 2>if you're being like, what's a job, what's a weird job?

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<v Speaker 2>But also being like pink panther jewels. And then there's

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<v Speaker 2>this whole scene where like Jay, I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>jump ahead, but basically like j becomes Slash Pablo becomes

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<v Speaker 2>an investigative reporter and figures out Tisha Kasha's mom's ransom

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<v Speaker 2>note by YouTube discovering what anagrams are.

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<v Speaker 1>But he does it. I mean again, the book is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of good, like, yeah, he kills aids the show Unreal,

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<v Speaker 1>which I love where he's trying to figure out this

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<v Speaker 1>ransom note because he knows if he can bring this

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<v Speaker 1>kind of victory to Kisha Cash aka Tyra, then she'll

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<v Speaker 1>like show up on set. Because one of the main

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<v Speaker 1>complexes of the book is that Tyra's this huge fucking

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<v Speaker 1>bitch who's like always four hours, like to set and

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<v Speaker 1>would rather be eating ribs at this time spare ribbery

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<v Speaker 1>than coming to set at Silver Cup Studios and Queens.

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<v Speaker 2>Or eating like the first time that Jay Sorry, Pablo

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<v Speaker 2>and Keisha become friends. Kisha invites Pablo over to her laws.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, wait, this part's of the same. Okay, Keisha squilled

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<v Speaker 1>with delight. I love rags to riches stories. This calls

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<v Speaker 1>for ice cream and more champagne. She pointed to the

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<v Speaker 1>double door subsuro refrigerator, got up and opened the unit's doors.

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<v Speaker 1>Her fridge was bigger than the bathroom in his apartment. Hell,

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<v Speaker 1>it was bigger than his bedroom, and there was enough

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<v Speaker 1>room to sleep in it. There was nothing but champagne

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<v Speaker 1>and leftovers on one side and quarts of ice cream

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<v Speaker 1>on the other. My con marie consultant organized it by flavor.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so that's where he's putting the twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>Of it all in. Yes, she was now behind and

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<v Speaker 1>picking over his shoulders. Pablo couldn't believe Keisha had a

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<v Speaker 1>certified tidying specialist organizing her frozen treats. It's also like

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<v Speaker 1>looking up the saurus ice cream frozen treats. It was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a rainbow of flavors, coconut, blue moon, green tea, mint, lemon, cello, tangerine, raspberry,

0:21:39.840 --> 0:21:46.000
<v Speaker 1>red bean, cookie dough, chocolate, caramel, latte, coffee. Pablo never

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<v Speaker 1>seen so much ice cream in one person's freezer. What's

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<v Speaker 1>your poison? She giggled like a little girl pulling at

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<v Speaker 1>a tub of Hoganda's dull shade of leche and headed back, just.

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<v Speaker 2>Like this fat Like it's like we're on page ten here,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's be like, do know, tires a fat fucking

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<v Speaker 2>bitch is basically what he's trying to let you know. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>and if I may just add in this part where

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<v Speaker 2>like she fires her assistant and is like, Pablo, you

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<v Speaker 2>need to get me Chinese food. But I'm such a

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<v Speaker 2>diva celebrity that I have no idea what like Chinese

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<v Speaker 2>I love? And this is like how like Jay places

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<v Speaker 2>us in modern times with deft deficiency. Pablo type the

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<v Speaker 2>word Chinese into his food delivery app and began to

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<v Speaker 2>read out the list of names of restaurants in the area.

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<v Speaker 2>Jade Garden, the Big Wong, Low Hung Cock, Omg, they're

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<v Speaker 2>next to each other. If somebody's name Joe's Shang Hai

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<v Speaker 2>on this.

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<v Speaker 1>Was like a weird, like racist, yeah, like joke that's

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of inserted into the writing of being like

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<v Speaker 1>low hung cock as the name of a Chinese restaurant,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're just like, this is random, this is random.

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<v Speaker 2>No, this book is kind of wildly racist gansation people.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's like, I guess because Jay really hates Ken Mack. Yeah,

0:22:59.840 --> 0:23:02.200
<v Speaker 2>he's like, no, I'm actually going to go all the way.

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<v Speaker 1>Off the mock definitely is one of the other sort

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<v Speaker 1>of greater villains. Well, you know, so I was reading,

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<v Speaker 1>I did a little bit about said research and name reading.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you see like the Variety interview with him, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of the only press that really is about

0:23:14.400 --> 0:23:14.800
<v Speaker 1>this book.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically what happened is clearly, you know, I think Jay

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<v Speaker 2>was overworked and felt like he didn't get his.

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<v Speaker 1>Flowers, because what he says in the book is that

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<v Speaker 1>he basically does every single shoot, comes up with the

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<v Speaker 1>concept for every single shoot, and then he's also doing

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<v Speaker 1>all this work, like behind the scene design work, made

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<v Speaker 1>the logo.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was always like I'm in my hell's kitchen apartment.

0:23:37.600 --> 0:23:39.760
<v Speaker 2>I had to come up with all these like decks

0:23:40.160 --> 0:23:42.920
<v Speaker 2>to pitch, like you know, or you know, goes home

0:23:42.920 --> 0:23:45.439
<v Speaker 2>from Top Model and has to you know, come up

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<v Speaker 2>with the ideas for the photo shoots and the hair

0:23:47.760 --> 0:23:51.640
<v Speaker 2>and this and that. But then also we're shown that

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<v Speaker 2>Keisha cast doesn't really give him a good contract in

0:23:54.480 --> 0:23:58.520
<v Speaker 2>the beginning, and Pablo aka J will work for free.

0:23:58.920 --> 0:24:03.040
<v Speaker 2>So in life, Jay was like, I'm gonna quit at

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<v Speaker 2>season nine, and he did, and he did, and then

0:24:05.840 --> 0:24:09.840
<v Speaker 2>Tyro was so offended that they didn't speak.

0:24:10.000 --> 0:24:12.760
<v Speaker 1>And then there's this quote where he was like, We've

0:24:12.920 --> 0:24:15.240
<v Speaker 1>sent a few emails and that's it.

0:24:15.359 --> 0:24:19.280
<v Speaker 2>There was something that was like Tyro like isn't happy

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<v Speaker 2>about his book, but it was also kind of like

0:24:21.359 --> 0:24:22.919
<v Speaker 2>a fake quote. It's like, I don't even know if

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<v Speaker 2>this book reached Tyra.

0:24:24.359 --> 0:24:27.679
<v Speaker 1>I'm so confused why it didn't because I feel like

0:24:27.760 --> 0:24:30.320
<v Speaker 1>maybe it was just like the moment he decided Toself published.

0:24:30.320 --> 0:24:31.600
<v Speaker 1>It's like I feel like if it came out now,

0:24:31.600 --> 0:24:33.840
<v Speaker 1>it'll be better because I'm feeling like everyone's doing a

0:24:33.840 --> 0:24:36.160
<v Speaker 1>Top Model rewatch. Maybe it's just me and like, no,

0:24:36.160 --> 0:24:36.720
<v Speaker 1>no people.

0:24:36.720 --> 0:24:40.159
<v Speaker 2>I know, like since it got on like Hulu, I

0:24:40.200 --> 0:24:43.000
<v Speaker 2>feel like people started like rewatching, Yes, But I do

0:24:43.040 --> 0:24:45.800
<v Speaker 2>feel like right now there's always like I think, just

0:24:45.800 --> 0:24:50.119
<v Speaker 2>like different gays that start watching it every year. Yes, sorry,

0:24:50.160 --> 0:24:50.840
<v Speaker 2>it's a cycle.

0:24:51.200 --> 0:24:56.160
<v Speaker 1>It's literally a cycle, and like new generations are discovering

0:24:56.359 --> 0:24:59.240
<v Speaker 1>the magic, the aggon the ecstasy of Top Model.

0:24:59.200 --> 0:25:01.399
<v Speaker 2>And you know, so of course, you know, when the

0:25:01.440 --> 0:25:04.080
<v Speaker 2>gen z started watching it, they got upset about a

0:25:04.160 --> 0:25:07.399
<v Speaker 2>few episodes like well, this actually didn't even happen on

0:25:07.440 --> 0:25:09.399
<v Speaker 2>Top Model, but the best episode ever of the tyber

0:25:09.440 --> 0:25:11.680
<v Speaker 2>Banks Show, and she pretended to be homeless.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, and yeah, and they've pulled the race swapping

0:25:18.400 --> 0:25:22.200
<v Speaker 1>episode they've pulled. Is there any others that they've pulled?

0:25:22.600 --> 0:25:24.919
<v Speaker 2>And peop don't think so, but.

0:25:24.520 --> 0:25:27.119
<v Speaker 1>But did they also do that on multiple cycles? Probably anyway,

0:25:27.160 --> 0:25:28.440
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, and then so they're all being like, oh,

0:25:28.440 --> 0:25:30.800
<v Speaker 1>it's so problematic and she's like so abusive to all

0:25:30.800 --> 0:25:32.399
<v Speaker 1>the girls, and of course, and like you know, what

0:25:32.400 --> 0:25:35.440
<v Speaker 1>we see in this book is that like it is

0:25:35.640 --> 0:25:39.720
<v Speaker 1>such like abusive working conditions. But of course that's what

0:25:39.880 --> 0:25:40.680
<v Speaker 1>produced such a.

0:25:40.880 --> 0:25:44.239
<v Speaker 2>Such amazing television. I mean, if we can just go

0:25:44.320 --> 0:25:47.760
<v Speaker 2>back Storry TBT. You called me, I think we were sixteen,

0:25:47.840 --> 0:25:49.840
<v Speaker 2>and you were like, this amazing show just came out

0:25:50.040 --> 0:25:51.919
<v Speaker 2>and you had just watched the first episode, and you

0:25:52.000 --> 0:25:55.240
<v Speaker 2>came over and we rewatched the first episode. Yes, and

0:25:55.440 --> 0:25:57.840
<v Speaker 2>I remember it's just like jaw on the floor. I

0:25:57.840 --> 0:26:00.320
<v Speaker 2>had never seen something like that. I mean was of

0:26:00.359 --> 0:26:03.200
<v Speaker 2>course we've done Jennis Dickinson's book, we've talked about Top Model,

0:26:03.240 --> 0:26:06.000
<v Speaker 2>but I mean the best reality show in the entire world.

0:26:06.480 --> 0:26:09.240
<v Speaker 1>No, it was crazy. It was Manna from Heaven and.

0:26:09.480 --> 0:26:12.600
<v Speaker 2>Survivor had just come out, so it was like early contest.

0:26:13.119 --> 0:26:16.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and there weren't all the other competition shows yet,

0:26:16.200 --> 0:26:19.120
<v Speaker 1>and like the girls were so real, so.

0:26:19.080 --> 0:26:20.960
<v Speaker 2>Real, and I think like Queer Eye probably had just

0:26:21.000 --> 0:26:22.600
<v Speaker 2>come out, but it was like you were really seeing

0:26:22.640 --> 0:26:24.280
<v Speaker 2>like fags on.

0:26:24.440 --> 0:26:29.040
<v Speaker 1>Evs, like you see mister and missus. J was like,

0:26:29.200 --> 0:26:33.359
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm sorry, Like Tyra exploded the world with

0:26:33.440 --> 0:26:36.359
<v Speaker 1>that show, and she absolutely changed the course of human culture.

0:26:37.359 --> 0:26:38.760
<v Speaker 2>Literally she changed humanity.

0:26:38.920 --> 0:26:40.840
<v Speaker 1>And you know, like my friend Eric's I was saying this,

0:26:40.880 --> 0:26:42.520
<v Speaker 1>but like RuPaul.

0:26:41.920 --> 0:26:44.160
<v Speaker 2>Like took everything from Top.

0:26:44.280 --> 0:26:45.280
<v Speaker 1>Everything from Top Model.

0:26:45.320 --> 0:26:47.359
<v Speaker 2>I mean, let's think for your life, what about Like

0:26:47.840 --> 0:26:50.000
<v Speaker 2>remember first season, they have to like swim with sharks,

0:26:50.040 --> 0:26:53.159
<v Speaker 2>they have to dance with cheetahs, like they all have

0:26:53.280 --> 0:26:56.160
<v Speaker 2>to shave their heads like they have to put scales

0:26:56.200 --> 0:26:59.240
<v Speaker 2>on themselves, like they have to like fly off the

0:26:59.240 --> 0:27:02.480
<v Speaker 2>Empire's date thing, just like it's incredible.

0:27:03.320 --> 0:27:05.840
<v Speaker 1>So in this book, there's the scene where they all

0:27:05.880 --> 0:27:11.880
<v Speaker 1>have a different animal and then Adriana faints and Jay

0:27:12.280 --> 0:27:18.520
<v Speaker 1>suggest sorry, Pablo suggests that maybe Adriana's fainting was fake,

0:27:18.600 --> 0:27:21.240
<v Speaker 1>fucking fake, And of course, if we all remember back

0:27:21.240 --> 0:27:25.760
<v Speaker 1>to cycle one, Adrian faints in the like snake episode

0:27:25.840 --> 0:27:28.960
<v Speaker 1>or whatever, Yeah, and perhaps.

0:27:28.560 --> 0:27:32.280
<v Speaker 2>That maybe was fake. And if you guys are an

0:27:32.400 --> 0:27:36.760
<v Speaker 2>up to date with quote unquote Adriana aka Adrian Curry,

0:27:37.240 --> 0:27:39.400
<v Speaker 2>she won Top Model, then she had a show where

0:27:39.440 --> 0:27:42.520
<v Speaker 2>she because she married Greg Brady. Then she left Hollywood

0:27:42.560 --> 0:27:46.160
<v Speaker 2>and became the most back to the land insane trumper.

0:27:46.359 --> 0:27:47.800
<v Speaker 2>Like follow her on Twitter.

0:27:47.880 --> 0:27:50.680
<v Speaker 1>She is so so hilarious and I find because she's

0:27:50.720 --> 0:27:54.120
<v Speaker 1>also always selling like a weird and a and she's

0:27:54.160 --> 0:27:56.560
<v Speaker 1>just an avon lady who like lives in Arizona and

0:27:56.640 --> 0:27:59.960
<v Speaker 1>Montana and has big strong suspects.

0:27:59.600 --> 0:28:01.639
<v Speaker 2>And like the twitch stream all day and are so

0:28:01.880 --> 0:28:03.879
<v Speaker 2>video game because like her whole thing was that, like

0:28:03.920 --> 0:28:06.639
<v Speaker 2>she was from Juliet, Illinois and was like, fucking men,

0:28:07.240 --> 0:28:09.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm a nerd man, wait what did she say?

0:28:09.520 --> 0:28:09.720
<v Speaker 1>Once?

0:28:09.720 --> 0:28:11.840
<v Speaker 2>I remember she was in the cab and she was like, man,

0:28:12.400 --> 0:28:14.200
<v Speaker 2>I just won't go want to go home and listen

0:28:14.200 --> 0:28:16.280
<v Speaker 2>to fucking heavy metal.

0:28:17.960 --> 0:28:19.720
<v Speaker 1>And so like she and Elise were like friends because

0:28:19.760 --> 0:28:20.520
<v Speaker 1>like they were alt.

0:28:20.960 --> 0:28:24.760
<v Speaker 2>Even though Elise was like a kind of person, I

0:28:24.960 --> 0:28:26.800
<v Speaker 2>felt like, I guess I'm still gonna aligne with her

0:28:26.840 --> 0:28:28.680
<v Speaker 2>because like we're both Indie.

0:28:28.440 --> 0:28:30.440
<v Speaker 1>Because like when everyone else is like fully Christian.

0:28:31.400 --> 0:28:34.040
<v Speaker 2>Because then it came down to write Adrian and Shannon.

0:28:33.920 --> 0:28:36.600
<v Speaker 1>Yes, and Alis was number three. But one of the

0:28:36.640 --> 0:28:39.160
<v Speaker 1>kind of main I would say revelations of this book

0:28:39.560 --> 0:28:42.120
<v Speaker 1>is that there's always what he calls a ringer, which

0:28:42.160 --> 0:28:44.840
<v Speaker 1>is a girl who's basically picked by Tyra to win

0:28:44.920 --> 0:28:47.680
<v Speaker 1>each cycle, like very early on, basically at the beginning

0:28:47.720 --> 0:28:50.480
<v Speaker 1>of each cycle, and that she is just pulling the

0:28:50.520 --> 0:28:52.720
<v Speaker 1>strings to make sure that that girl ends up in

0:28:52.720 --> 0:28:54.719
<v Speaker 1>the final two and then wins, and all the other

0:28:54.800 --> 0:28:57.760
<v Speaker 1>judge's critiques are just kind of like superfluous, and there's

0:28:57.760 --> 0:29:00.560
<v Speaker 1>basically someone who's supposed to win. And look back at

0:29:00.560 --> 0:29:02.520
<v Speaker 1>the seasons and I'm sorry, it makes so much sense,

0:29:02.600 --> 0:29:05.040
<v Speaker 1>like there are some seasons where we all know, wait,

0:29:05.080 --> 0:29:07.720
<v Speaker 1>you know that there was someone who like got kicked off.

0:29:07.880 --> 0:29:09.800
<v Speaker 1>I feel like it's often the girl I think who

0:29:09.880 --> 0:29:11.280
<v Speaker 1>like should have won gets kicked off.

0:29:11.120 --> 0:29:13.959
<v Speaker 2>Like four six yeah, and everyone's like wait what, But

0:29:14.040 --> 0:29:16.480
<v Speaker 2>she was like the most she was.

0:29:16.480 --> 0:29:18.200
<v Speaker 1>The most high fashion. Her photos were the best, and

0:29:18.280 --> 0:29:19.840
<v Speaker 1>like somehow like she's gone.

0:29:20.000 --> 0:29:21.920
<v Speaker 2>There was this whole thing that like, I feel like

0:29:21.960 --> 0:29:25.480
<v Speaker 2>top model like brought to just us the public. Tyra

0:29:25.680 --> 0:29:27.920
<v Speaker 2>was like you're either high fashion or not high fashion.

0:29:28.040 --> 0:29:29.520
<v Speaker 2>And there were so many girls that came in and

0:29:29.560 --> 0:29:33.560
<v Speaker 2>were catalog I know, and it gave us a language

0:29:33.640 --> 0:29:37.360
<v Speaker 2>to like define sorry, women's bodies.

0:29:36.600 --> 0:29:39.200
<v Speaker 1>That we need that we does really need to talk

0:29:39.280 --> 0:29:40.840
<v Speaker 1>about women and your high.

0:29:40.680 --> 0:29:44.040
<v Speaker 2>Fashion in your catalog. And like at least like all

0:29:44.080 --> 0:29:47.640
<v Speaker 2>these girls who were catalog, like were so confused by

0:29:47.680 --> 0:29:50.560
<v Speaker 2>these high fashion girlies who are a little more fucked up,

0:29:50.600 --> 0:29:51.160
<v Speaker 2>looking like.

0:29:51.360 --> 0:29:54.400
<v Speaker 1>Winning more like angular and weird, and.

0:29:54.360 --> 0:29:57.040
<v Speaker 2>Like one girl in this is like she's gonna pick

0:29:57.080 --> 0:29:59.400
<v Speaker 2>you because you're ugly or something.

0:30:00.120 --> 0:30:02.920
<v Speaker 1>Okay, just going through the seasons if we may, Yeah,

0:30:03.000 --> 0:30:04.800
<v Speaker 1>let's go through the seasons. Because do you think should

0:30:04.800 --> 0:30:06.400
<v Speaker 1>have won the first season? Elise?

0:30:06.880 --> 0:30:09.800
<v Speaker 2>I mean put that on my gravestone. Alise should have

0:30:09.880 --> 0:30:10.880
<v Speaker 2>won the first season.

0:30:11.560 --> 0:30:14.160
<v Speaker 1>Okay, what about season two? Do you think it should

0:30:14.200 --> 0:30:18.040
<v Speaker 1>have been because that was Mercedes? No Joanna one?

0:30:18.040 --> 0:30:20.160
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I agree, I think Johanna should have won. I

0:30:20.280 --> 0:30:21.480
<v Speaker 2>like always had a crush on her.

0:30:21.440 --> 0:30:23.880
<v Speaker 1>Because Janna Stickinson thought Mercedes should have won.

0:30:24.160 --> 0:30:26.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I just thought Joanna did have such a kind

0:30:26.240 --> 0:30:27.240
<v Speaker 2>of high fashion face.

0:30:27.320 --> 0:30:29.240
<v Speaker 1>I know, but looking at her now and like how

0:30:29.280 --> 0:30:32.400
<v Speaker 1>basic in like Australian she's gotten, I'm a little just

0:30:32.440 --> 0:30:36.760
<v Speaker 1>like maybe it shouldn't have been her. Okay, I kind

0:30:36.760 --> 0:30:39.000
<v Speaker 1>of think it should have been April, the Asian girl

0:30:39.160 --> 0:30:43.160
<v Speaker 1>with really chic with the bangs.

0:30:43.280 --> 0:30:45.400
<v Speaker 2>Yes, with the ban she was really chic, she was

0:30:45.400 --> 0:30:45.920
<v Speaker 2>really fab.

0:30:46.000 --> 0:30:47.560
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I kind of think it should have been her.

0:30:48.480 --> 0:30:51.640
<v Speaker 1>Season three, Oh that was Eva.

0:30:51.800 --> 0:30:55.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean I love Eva and she's kind of happy.

0:30:55.840 --> 0:30:58.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, should have been yeah, yeah, no question And yeah

0:30:58.320 --> 0:30:59.880
<v Speaker 1>went on to become the most successful.

0:31:00.080 --> 0:31:02.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she's been in like ten seasons of Chicago Fire.

0:31:02.920 --> 0:31:04.600
<v Speaker 1>And we celebrate, Yeah.

0:31:04.520 --> 0:31:08.520
<v Speaker 2>We celebrate her. I mean never forget yeah, yah saying

0:31:08.720 --> 0:31:10.800
<v Speaker 2>respect in Portuguese respect.

0:31:11.240 --> 0:31:13.680
<v Speaker 1>Do you remember Jenna from like season seven or eight

0:31:13.720 --> 0:31:15.280
<v Speaker 1>or nine or something whatever it was? There was the

0:31:15.280 --> 0:31:16.400
<v Speaker 1>one that Celicia won.

0:31:16.760 --> 0:31:17.600
<v Speaker 2>I don't remember.

0:31:18.040 --> 0:31:21.960
<v Speaker 1>Jenna had an incredible portfolio. Her face was so high fashion.

0:31:22.080 --> 0:31:26.080
<v Speaker 1>Jenna du set look her up. She was incredible. And

0:31:26.080 --> 0:31:30.040
<v Speaker 1>then Celicia, it turns out, had known Tyra previously and

0:31:30.080 --> 0:31:33.720
<v Speaker 1>done like Tyra's modeling girls or whatever.

0:31:34.360 --> 0:31:38.720
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, this girl was such a random was

0:31:38.800 --> 0:31:40.920
<v Speaker 2>like no, no, Jenna.

0:31:40.800 --> 0:31:43.560
<v Speaker 1>And it's set and Jenna do set like totally slay own.

0:31:43.640 --> 0:31:46.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh notes, but I wonder where she is now and

0:31:46.720 --> 0:31:48.160
<v Speaker 2>she was five eleven, she.

0:31:48.240 --> 0:31:50.200
<v Speaker 1>Like couldn't have been more model, And it's like, this

0:31:50.400 --> 0:31:54.200
<v Speaker 1>is why I think j Manuel's revelation that there's a

0:31:54.240 --> 0:31:56.520
<v Speaker 1>ringer each season was completely correct.

0:31:56.720 --> 0:31:59.560
<v Speaker 2>So one of like the big plot points in this

0:31:59.680 --> 0:32:03.480
<v Speaker 2>book is basically kind of a fictionalized version of though

0:32:03.560 --> 0:32:10.239
<v Speaker 2>we were all rooting for you scene and let's all

0:32:10.280 --> 0:32:11.360
<v Speaker 2>go to our pages.

0:32:12.000 --> 0:32:16.600
<v Speaker 1>Oka. Wait, so in this version, instead of Tiffany or Brittany,

0:32:16.640 --> 0:32:18.360
<v Speaker 1>Tiffany this is her name in the real and the

0:32:18.520 --> 0:32:22.080
<v Speaker 1>real show. So instead it's this Irish codet with long

0:32:22.160 --> 0:32:25.480
<v Speaker 1>red hair that Tyra forced to cut the hair so

0:32:25.520 --> 0:32:27.560
<v Speaker 1>she could not win so she would look bad and

0:32:27.600 --> 0:32:30.800
<v Speaker 1>like shaved her head like later in the season.

0:32:30.560 --> 0:32:32.480
<v Speaker 2>Which, by the way, like I think that's what Alta

0:32:32.760 --> 0:32:35.600
<v Speaker 2>was so insane about NTM like it just like made

0:32:35.600 --> 0:32:40.120
<v Speaker 2>girls do these crazy things. And even though Jay Pablo

0:32:40.200 --> 0:32:42.520
<v Speaker 2>is shaking his head on set being like, they're not

0:32:42.680 --> 0:32:45.440
<v Speaker 2>actually gonna shave her beautiful red hair.

0:32:45.400 --> 0:32:48.080
<v Speaker 1>Okay, wait and you do. You be Keisha and I'll

0:32:48.080 --> 0:32:51.200
<v Speaker 1>be Nicole with an h because she's Irish.

0:32:51.960 --> 0:32:55.840
<v Speaker 2>Nicole, I challenge you with your new cash branded look,

0:32:56.440 --> 0:32:59.040
<v Speaker 2>but by the disturbed expression on your face, I don't

0:32:59.080 --> 0:33:02.840
<v Speaker 2>think you handled it well. Nicole smiled and interrupted the star.

0:33:03.320 --> 0:33:06.360
<v Speaker 1>Actually, I'm extremely proud to rock my bald head.

0:33:06.360 --> 0:33:09.040
<v Speaker 2>Because she paused for a moment swallowed me.

0:33:09.160 --> 0:33:13.000
<v Speaker 1>Mum fought a long and painful battle with breast cancer.

0:33:13.560 --> 0:33:16.080
<v Speaker 2>Droplets of tears formed along her lower lash line.

0:33:16.800 --> 0:33:20.400
<v Speaker 1>Listening to what Youja said reminded me of a true

0:33:20.600 --> 0:33:24.200
<v Speaker 1>inner strength and integrity that my mother instilled in me.

0:33:25.160 --> 0:33:28.080
<v Speaker 2>Keisha tried to cut the teared medal off. Oh that's sweet,

0:33:28.200 --> 0:33:31.120
<v Speaker 2>and Nicole cut a second time.

0:33:31.160 --> 0:33:33.080
<v Speaker 1>Having my long red hair shaved off gives me a

0:33:33.080 --> 0:33:36.560
<v Speaker 1>far more noble cause than your TV eighteings. Bald is

0:33:36.680 --> 0:33:40.480
<v Speaker 1>beautiful will be my new identifier, my brand. So I

0:33:40.560 --> 0:33:42.880
<v Speaker 1>thank you for freeing me from wanting to model myself

0:33:42.880 --> 0:33:43.320
<v Speaker 1>after you.

0:33:43.720 --> 0:33:51.720
<v Speaker 2>Nicole's smile was radiant, victorious, lethal. Pablo's body levitated into

0:33:51.760 --> 0:33:55.760
<v Speaker 2>the air. The judges, everyone, even Joe Vong was gobsmacked.

0:33:56.160 --> 0:33:58.440
<v Speaker 2>No one could believe that a model contestant was actually

0:33:58.520 --> 0:34:01.200
<v Speaker 2>standing up to Keisha and calling her out on camera.

0:34:01.920 --> 0:34:04.800
<v Speaker 2>It was a bit like watching this giant cyclone building

0:34:04.840 --> 0:34:07.840
<v Speaker 2>on stage. There was a reason her brother used to

0:34:07.840 --> 0:34:10.640
<v Speaker 2>call her column. Keisha's eyes bugged so far off her

0:34:10.640 --> 0:34:12.040
<v Speaker 2>head that she looked like she was about to blow

0:34:12.080 --> 0:34:13.360
<v Speaker 2>her lip. Literally.

0:34:13.520 --> 0:34:16.399
<v Speaker 1>I loved him just being like such a crazy bitch. Yeah,

0:34:16.440 --> 0:34:18.759
<v Speaker 1>he's always There's a reason Tyr is like such a

0:34:18.800 --> 0:34:20.600
<v Speaker 1>fucking nasty, disgusting.

0:34:21.200 --> 0:34:25.280
<v Speaker 2>Even her brother thinks she's a swamp, ugly bitch.

0:34:25.520 --> 0:34:29.120
<v Speaker 1>Her bug eyes. Okay, I'll be the narrator now over

0:34:29.120 --> 0:34:31.440
<v Speaker 1>the headsets, Pablo could hear the low pitched rumble of

0:34:31.520 --> 0:34:35.000
<v Speaker 1>Keisha's don't fuck with me, demonic possession voice.

0:34:35.520 --> 0:34:38.360
<v Speaker 2>Do you know what? Do you know where I've come from,

0:34:38.400 --> 0:34:41.080
<v Speaker 2>what I've gone through? Oh do you think you are?

0:34:41.280 --> 0:34:43.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm a proud bald woman who's going to raise prest

0:34:43.920 --> 0:34:46.920
<v Speaker 1>comes her awareness and raise money to stop this awful disease.

0:34:47.920 --> 0:34:53.640
<v Speaker 1>Nicole's eyes blazed with defiance. Brilliant Harper accidentally chirped out loud.

0:34:55.280 --> 0:34:57.319
<v Speaker 1>Pablo had never seen Keisha like this, but the scene

0:34:57.320 --> 0:34:59.680
<v Speaker 1>felt like deja vu. This would undoubtedly haunt her for

0:34:59.680 --> 0:35:03.600
<v Speaker 1>the rest of her career. Stop talking, Keisha screamed.

0:35:03.160 --> 0:35:06.680
<v Speaker 2>What I speak to you? You listen? Everybody listen.

0:35:06.840 --> 0:35:09.680
<v Speaker 1>The shouting woke Sasha up. This is Jennis Dickerson. She

0:35:09.760 --> 0:35:12.279
<v Speaker 1>swoveled her head towards mess thing. What's going on?

0:35:12.680 --> 0:35:13.120
<v Speaker 2>Meltdown?

0:35:13.160 --> 0:35:16.680
<v Speaker 1>Alert like a gunslinger. Sasha reached between her recently plumped breath,

0:35:16.800 --> 0:35:20.680
<v Speaker 1>pulled out her iPhone from her comatose vantage point aimed.

0:35:20.719 --> 0:35:24.319
<v Speaker 2>How dare you challenge me? You are nothing before you

0:35:24.400 --> 0:35:26.879
<v Speaker 2>came here. You think you're better than all the other

0:35:26.920 --> 0:35:30.400
<v Speaker 2>girls who felt like hell to get here. You're nothing,

0:35:30.920 --> 0:35:34.759
<v Speaker 2>no one, and you're done. You can leave now, go

0:35:34.840 --> 0:35:38.440
<v Speaker 2>back to Grandma's house and sleep on that radiass mattress

0:35:38.440 --> 0:35:41.080
<v Speaker 2>with your brother Davy and his club foot.

0:35:41.640 --> 0:35:44.279
<v Speaker 1>Well did I? Keisha pointed Nicole's body, with you look

0:35:44.320 --> 0:35:44.640
<v Speaker 1>at this.

0:35:44.400 --> 0:35:47.080
<v Speaker 2>This is gonna last. Men are gonna tire of you

0:35:47.120 --> 0:35:50.439
<v Speaker 2>and find the next hot young thing. Designers will turn

0:35:50.480 --> 0:35:55.239
<v Speaker 2>on you too. Everyone will leave you in the end, everyone.

0:35:54.840 --> 0:36:00.160
<v Speaker 1>Wait a minute, be quiet, And that was it. That

0:36:00.360 --> 0:36:02.320
<v Speaker 1>was the scene. You guys all remember.

0:36:02.280 --> 0:36:05.520
<v Speaker 2>We all rooted for you, but Jay makes it not

0:36:05.719 --> 0:36:08.439
<v Speaker 2>even we all rooted for you because there was some

0:36:08.560 --> 0:36:11.480
<v Speaker 2>kindness in Tyra's true freak out.

0:36:11.800 --> 0:36:13.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, I think the thing about Tyra's true freakout

0:36:13.840 --> 0:36:16.920
<v Speaker 1>that it was also more like she's like, I'm supporting

0:36:16.960 --> 0:36:20.640
<v Speaker 1>this young black girl, yes, who's like coming up from poverty,

0:36:20.680 --> 0:36:23.319
<v Speaker 1>and I'm rescuing her, but I also like know what

0:36:23.360 --> 0:36:25.960
<v Speaker 1>it's like and like cause you know, a huge part

0:36:26.040 --> 0:36:28.640
<v Speaker 1>of like Tyra's whole thing was like telling black girls

0:36:28.640 --> 0:36:31.360
<v Speaker 1>that they needed to like you know, I mean, remember

0:36:31.400 --> 0:36:32.880
<v Speaker 1>what's her name who? She was like, you need to

0:36:32.920 --> 0:36:34.920
<v Speaker 1>close your gap, which was actually the worst advice ever

0:36:34.920 --> 0:36:37.800
<v Speaker 1>is her gap? God, because she was kind of thinking

0:36:37.840 --> 0:36:39.760
<v Speaker 1>of it that's like, oh, you're like too black.

0:36:40.160 --> 0:36:41.799
<v Speaker 2>I mean like you need to play the game like

0:36:41.960 --> 0:36:45.040
<v Speaker 2>I did basically and like for Victoria's privacy.

0:36:44.640 --> 0:36:47.319
<v Speaker 1>And was always telling her that her like voice was

0:36:47.360 --> 0:36:50.520
<v Speaker 1>too country and she needed to like be like more

0:36:50.600 --> 0:36:53.080
<v Speaker 1>elocution and like sound more white and then like have

0:36:53.239 --> 0:36:54.080
<v Speaker 1>her teeth like not.

0:36:54.040 --> 0:36:57.239
<v Speaker 2>Because but then here's something on Momimia dot Com Australia

0:36:57.280 --> 0:36:59.520
<v Speaker 2>that says, when Tyra banks, why didn't it contestant?

0:37:00.080 --> 0:37:04.080
<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, what's funny is because then Tyra later realized that.

0:37:05.120 --> 0:37:07.760
<v Speaker 2>Danielle Danielle needed to get the gap fixed.

0:37:08.000 --> 0:37:10.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and now we have daniel Evans brigs her house

0:37:10.760 --> 0:37:12.319
<v Speaker 1>and we start as a clip of Tyra Beks holding

0:37:12.360 --> 0:37:13.799
<v Speaker 1>her to have her teeth cut, closing and market blah

0:37:13.800 --> 0:37:15.960
<v Speaker 1>blah blah. Anyway, so we all remember that, but like

0:37:16.000 --> 0:37:18.320
<v Speaker 1>that was this huge thing. And so what Jamie Nouel

0:37:18.440 --> 0:37:21.799
<v Speaker 1>is kind of he does criticize the Tyra character like

0:37:21.960 --> 0:37:26.000
<v Speaker 1>somewhat for being like, you know, very hypocritical and her

0:37:26.120 --> 0:37:28.440
<v Speaker 1>like kind of savior.

0:37:28.080 --> 0:37:32.040
<v Speaker 2>Role towards young well you know, he does it mostly

0:37:32.239 --> 0:37:36.680
<v Speaker 2>when he basically roast her for writing Model Land.

0:37:36.960 --> 0:37:39.280
<v Speaker 1>Yes, which is Tyra's shitty novel.

0:37:39.520 --> 0:37:42.759
<v Speaker 2>Right, And so there comes upon the book Plagiarize, right,

0:37:42.800 --> 0:37:45.840
<v Speaker 2>where like Tyra is always tip tapping, He's always like,

0:37:46.040 --> 0:37:48.600
<v Speaker 2>she's always two thumbs deep. And then it's like he

0:37:48.719 --> 0:37:52.000
<v Speaker 2>quotes miss Thang is going maybe this beacons she is not.

0:37:53.400 --> 0:37:55.000
<v Speaker 1>But she writes this can't type.

0:37:55.160 --> 0:37:59.160
<v Speaker 2>So she writes this sci fi novel called Planet Fearce

0:37:59.280 --> 0:38:02.799
<v Speaker 2>that's like a one hundred pages and then there's a

0:38:02.840 --> 0:38:05.360
<v Speaker 2>fake review in it where they're like, it's not that

0:38:05.400 --> 0:38:09.360
<v Speaker 2>it's cliche. It's not that it's like stupid, it's that

0:38:09.480 --> 0:38:12.279
<v Speaker 2>like they make it like all the characters are still

0:38:12.320 --> 0:38:13.600
<v Speaker 2>so stereotypical.

0:38:13.800 --> 0:38:15.759
<v Speaker 1>But you know it's interesting because he also has this

0:38:15.800 --> 0:38:19.239
<v Speaker 1>thing where he's seeing that Tyra is like completely cynical

0:38:19.360 --> 0:38:22.319
<v Speaker 1>in her choices of who the ringer is, and she's like,

0:38:22.520 --> 0:38:25.000
<v Speaker 1>I view these girls stories as only useful in so

0:38:25.200 --> 0:38:27.440
<v Speaker 1>far as it like plays with the audience, and so

0:38:27.560 --> 0:38:29.759
<v Speaker 1>like we' of course always want there to be the

0:38:29.840 --> 0:38:33.200
<v Speaker 1>ugly duckling into the swan. We want to like take

0:38:33.280 --> 0:38:35.960
<v Speaker 1>the poor black girl and then like make her like

0:38:36.440 --> 0:38:39.399
<v Speaker 1>successful and palatable. We want to like have the first

0:38:39.400 --> 0:38:42.800
<v Speaker 1>plus size model, but only like because we can say

0:38:42.840 --> 0:38:44.320
<v Speaker 1>we had the first plus size model.

0:38:44.560 --> 0:38:46.000
<v Speaker 2>This is the I feel like, the most kind of

0:38:46.040 --> 0:38:49.600
<v Speaker 2>like scarring part to Tyra's personality. In the fake review

0:38:49.600 --> 0:38:52.040
<v Speaker 2>of Model Land, it says, if there is to be

0:38:52.160 --> 0:38:55.960
<v Speaker 2>any redeeming quality of missus Cash's hulking wreck of literary debut,

0:38:55.960 --> 0:38:59.400
<v Speaker 2>it's that her exidential crisis serves as a wonderful psychological

0:38:59.440 --> 0:39:02.520
<v Speaker 2>case study for explaining theories of internalized racism. Perhaps this

0:39:02.600 --> 0:39:05.480
<v Speaker 2>is the greatest literary contribution Planet Fears could make.

0:39:05.560 --> 0:39:07.840
<v Speaker 1>Wait, this part of is amazing. So you're just reading

0:39:07.880 --> 0:39:11.200
<v Speaker 1>from this on it's there's a fake review and it's

0:39:11.239 --> 0:39:12.640
<v Speaker 1>like a different fond and everything.

0:39:12.440 --> 0:39:14.520
<v Speaker 2>They laid out like a newspaper and everything.

0:39:14.560 --> 0:39:17.880
<v Speaker 1>The writing is much better in this fake review, and

0:39:17.920 --> 0:39:20.920
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of interesting that Jamanuel managed to like get this.

0:39:21.239 --> 0:39:23.799
<v Speaker 2>So when they were mentioning like Octavia Butler and you're

0:39:23.880 --> 0:39:26.399
<v Speaker 2>kind of like, who did he call on to write?

0:39:26.440 --> 0:39:28.680
<v Speaker 1>Now, well, there are references. He does say his favorite

0:39:28.719 --> 0:39:31.000
<v Speaker 1>movie is The Matrix. Like he is he is very.

0:39:30.880 --> 0:39:33.480
<v Speaker 2>Sci fi because he's silver haired, and like the whole

0:39:33.600 --> 0:39:35.319
<v Speaker 2>end of the book is him being like I should

0:39:35.360 --> 0:39:37.640
<v Speaker 2>have taken the blue pill, but the red pill is

0:39:37.640 --> 0:39:40.759
<v Speaker 2>going on antim let's make that meme.

0:39:43.680 --> 0:39:45.719
<v Speaker 1>And like later he says that his dream was to

0:39:45.760 --> 0:39:50.000
<v Speaker 1>be in an ethnically diverse Dan Brown novel. Right, He's

0:39:50.040 --> 0:39:53.040
<v Speaker 1>like he seen together the like ransom note of the

0:39:53.080 --> 0:39:54.200
<v Speaker 1>Blood from the Mom and.

0:39:54.520 --> 0:39:57.319
<v Speaker 2>He actually he mentions Dan Brown a lot because it's

0:39:57.360 --> 0:40:00.279
<v Speaker 2>like the mom in prison has like the is like

0:40:00.320 --> 0:40:02.879
<v Speaker 2>a big mom in prison who helps out Tyger's mom

0:40:02.920 --> 0:40:05.000
<v Speaker 2>and it's like she had an amazing cell. It was

0:40:05.040 --> 0:40:07.480
<v Speaker 2>full of Michael Connolly and Dan Brown novels.

0:40:07.560 --> 0:40:12.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so mama likes to read. He's a readist, he's

0:40:12.440 --> 0:40:15.279
<v Speaker 1>a sci fi nerd. So maybe he did write the

0:40:15.320 --> 0:40:17.120
<v Speaker 1>fake review, but that it's interesting that the rest of

0:40:17.120 --> 0:40:19.920
<v Speaker 1>the book is written in so like Babysitters Club, ass

0:40:20.040 --> 0:40:21.239
<v Speaker 1>like there are.

0:40:21.160 --> 0:40:27.719
<v Speaker 2>Some type of ice cream flavors for Red Store Bay

0:40:28.719 --> 0:40:31.200
<v Speaker 2>and like the back of the book. The printing is

0:40:31.239 --> 0:40:32.920
<v Speaker 2>so close to the edge of the.

0:40:32.880 --> 0:40:37.719
<v Speaker 1>Cover getting closer and closer. Okay, I do want to

0:40:37.760 --> 0:40:41.520
<v Speaker 1>talk about the Nigel Barker. It was a sex scene,

0:40:41.640 --> 0:40:44.759
<v Speaker 1>so there is a me too scene in here or.

0:40:44.800 --> 0:40:47.320
<v Speaker 2>And the phrase me too is mentioned so much in

0:40:47.400 --> 0:40:49.719
<v Speaker 2>this book, right, They're always like, we have a me

0:40:49.880 --> 0:40:52.799
<v Speaker 2>too on our hands. Fuck, we have a me too?

0:40:53.160 --> 0:40:56.920
<v Speaker 1>Okay, wait do you want to do yeah? Okay, so

0:40:56.960 --> 0:40:59.880
<v Speaker 1>actually started ninety seven. All right, do you want to

0:40:59.920 --> 0:41:01.520
<v Speaker 1>be Mason Hughes or do you want to be Papla?

0:41:02.040 --> 0:41:04.919
<v Speaker 2>I want to be Mason Hughes. Okay, you should model

0:41:04.960 --> 0:41:06.000
<v Speaker 2>BVDS mate.

0:41:06.040 --> 0:41:08.279
<v Speaker 1>Mason leaned on the door jam and if Pablo had

0:41:08.320 --> 0:41:11.000
<v Speaker 1>no manner, he swear he was checking him out. Are

0:41:11.040 --> 0:41:14.839
<v Speaker 1>all Britt's metrosexuals pretty much? Mason shrode into the room

0:41:14.840 --> 0:41:15.480
<v Speaker 1>and looked around.

0:41:15.719 --> 0:41:18.000
<v Speaker 2>Dion said there was wardrobe to try on. Looks like

0:41:18.080 --> 0:41:19.359
<v Speaker 2>there's more than a wardrobe.

0:41:19.640 --> 0:41:22.239
<v Speaker 1>Pablo felt so much Shyle of a sudden, Why haven't we.

0:41:22.200 --> 0:41:24.040
<v Speaker 2>Talked about doing a test shoot with you yet?

0:41:24.200 --> 0:41:26.600
<v Speaker 1>Mason framed his face, looking through his hands like they

0:41:26.640 --> 0:41:29.200
<v Speaker 1>were camera lens, and made some mock shots of Pablo's

0:41:29.280 --> 0:41:30.360
<v Speaker 1>nearly naked body.

0:41:31.120 --> 0:41:34.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm positive we could create magic together. Wrap that body

0:41:34.280 --> 0:41:35.680
<v Speaker 2>in my seductive.

0:41:35.239 --> 0:41:41.720
<v Speaker 1>Light, corny British humor, extreme close up. Mason moved in close.

0:41:41.719 --> 0:41:45.920
<v Speaker 1>Now Pablo could smell his easily recognizable extreme noir tom

0:41:46.040 --> 0:41:49.920
<v Speaker 1>Ford cologne. He did a little voguing, twisting his shoulders,

0:41:49.920 --> 0:41:54.760
<v Speaker 1>his hips, all in good fun. Suddenly, Mason slapped Pablo's

0:41:54.800 --> 0:41:58.279
<v Speaker 1>nipples like they were frat boys and grabbed his ass. Hey.

0:41:59.000 --> 0:42:01.839
<v Speaker 1>Pablo turned away. Mason raised an eyebrow as if to say,

0:42:02.040 --> 0:42:07.759
<v Speaker 1>you game was he? Mason was handsome, sexy, straight, a

0:42:07.760 --> 0:42:10.000
<v Speaker 1>strange attachment between the president and the pass kipp across

0:42:10.040 --> 0:42:12.439
<v Speaker 1>Pablo's mind. Half of him was still the ugly, awkward kid.

0:42:12.440 --> 0:42:14.759
<v Speaker 1>The biracial boy in a sea of white faces. Don't

0:42:14.840 --> 0:42:16.480
<v Speaker 1>let them get you down, his mother used to tell him,

0:42:16.480 --> 0:42:17.880
<v Speaker 1>while wiping the tears from his eyes. You are more

0:42:17.920 --> 0:42:19.960
<v Speaker 1>than you're outside. They just can't see beyond their own

0:42:20.000 --> 0:42:21.440
<v Speaker 1>skin and narrow minds. You've got to be better than

0:42:21.480 --> 0:42:23.680
<v Speaker 1>him and show them that you're there equal. Papa could

0:42:23.680 --> 0:42:26.000
<v Speaker 1>hear voices if it were yesterday. Like a predator about

0:42:26.000 --> 0:42:28.440
<v Speaker 1>to pounce on his prey, Mason moved closer.

0:42:28.719 --> 0:42:31.200
<v Speaker 2>No one has to know know what.

0:42:31.560 --> 0:42:35.319
<v Speaker 1>Pablo was confused. Mason grabbed Paula by the chest and

0:42:35.440 --> 0:42:38.399
<v Speaker 1>threw him to the floor, and, like a seasoned initiator,

0:42:38.520 --> 0:42:41.200
<v Speaker 1>dropped his own pants all in one quick gesture. What

0:42:41.280 --> 0:42:43.640
<v Speaker 1>are you doing? Pablo pushed back.

0:42:43.520 --> 0:42:46.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh, don't be a cock tees. You've been coming on

0:42:46.040 --> 0:42:47.080
<v Speaker 2>to me for months.

0:42:47.320 --> 0:42:49.560
<v Speaker 1>Mason slammed his hard body on top of him and

0:42:49.680 --> 0:42:53.440
<v Speaker 1>thrust his tongue down Pablo's throat. His saliva tasted sweet,

0:42:53.640 --> 0:42:57.640
<v Speaker 1>but Pablo was still disgusted. I know how your people

0:42:58.000 --> 0:43:01.080
<v Speaker 1>like it in a Boa construction. They rolled across the

0:43:01.080 --> 0:43:04.240
<v Speaker 1>wardrobe and Mason's legs snapped on Paplo's You make.

0:43:04.160 --> 0:43:08.960
<v Speaker 2>Me so hord, yeahs.

0:43:10.600 --> 0:43:14.560
<v Speaker 1>A drust was against Papula's Mason try humpt and heaved

0:43:14.560 --> 0:43:18.840
<v Speaker 1>a hard and ribbed direction across the trapped creative director. Sorry,

0:43:19.080 --> 0:43:21.920
<v Speaker 1>keeping a ribb direction across the trapped creative director.

0:43:23.800 --> 0:43:27.359
<v Speaker 2>Pablo forced himself to relax. Mason eased his grip on him.

0:43:27.680 --> 0:43:28.520
<v Speaker 2>That's how he likes.

0:43:28.800 --> 0:43:31.560
<v Speaker 1>Bubblo punched him, slam, Get off me. He's campered to

0:43:31.640 --> 0:43:34.799
<v Speaker 1>his feet, you arrogant fuck what Mason was a god?

0:43:34.840 --> 0:43:37.399
<v Speaker 1>Paplo grabbed his clothes and bolted for the door. Why

0:43:37.400 --> 0:43:40.000
<v Speaker 1>don't you go on porn hub and jerk off. He

0:43:40.080 --> 0:43:42.480
<v Speaker 1>exited the dressing room and roared behind him, Patriet, go

0:43:42.760 --> 0:43:43.680
<v Speaker 1>fuck yourself.

0:43:45.320 --> 0:43:48.040
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so this is okay, this is the wild. This

0:43:48.120 --> 0:43:52.439
<v Speaker 2>is the most fantasy that you know. Jay obviously thought

0:43:52.520 --> 0:43:55.239
<v Speaker 2>Nigel was so hot, and that was the thing of it.

0:43:55.360 --> 0:43:57.120
<v Speaker 2>Nigel was so hot, but he was married.

0:43:57.560 --> 0:44:00.080
<v Speaker 1>I just don't think Nigel ever, I means.

0:44:00.920 --> 0:44:05.200
<v Speaker 2>Think Nigel Boka like came on to Jay and was like,

0:44:05.560 --> 0:44:07.799
<v Speaker 2>don't your people like it like that?

0:44:07.960 --> 0:44:09.560
<v Speaker 1>I knows.

0:44:09.680 --> 0:44:12.239
<v Speaker 2>And then but this scene in the book is just

0:44:12.280 --> 0:44:15.200
<v Speaker 2>a way again to show how like fucked up Tyra

0:44:15.440 --> 0:44:18.880
<v Speaker 2>is because after it, Jay slash Pabla goes over to

0:44:18.960 --> 0:44:22.839
<v Speaker 2>Keisha's house for Mordal Delche and ribs and to watch

0:44:22.840 --> 0:44:25.080
<v Speaker 2>a Judy Garland movie and tells her about it. It is crying,

0:44:25.080 --> 0:44:28.680
<v Speaker 2>and Tyra's basically just like, don't say anything. You should

0:44:28.680 --> 0:44:33.600
<v Speaker 2>be happy he hit on you, Okay, this hot British guy.

0:44:34.840 --> 0:44:40.200
<v Speaker 2>It was like you're not a woman. It's also like yeah,

0:44:40.239 --> 0:44:42.680
<v Speaker 2>and he's trying to be like, oh he said your

0:44:42.760 --> 0:44:46.120
<v Speaker 2>people like and made it like this like oh well

0:44:46.160 --> 0:44:48.799
<v Speaker 2>I'm this like straight guy yeah, and like you're just

0:44:48.800 --> 0:44:49.640
<v Speaker 2>this little fagot.

0:44:49.800 --> 0:44:52.640
<v Speaker 1>But then it becomes this other like running point where

0:44:52.680 --> 0:44:56.319
<v Speaker 1>then Miss Thing keep making fun of Nigel, insinuating that

0:44:56.360 --> 0:45:00.720
<v Speaker 1>his wife is trail. Yeah, this is surgery, not that convinsed.

0:45:00.880 --> 0:45:03.160
<v Speaker 2>And Miss Thing is always just like I've been seeing

0:45:03.160 --> 0:45:08.920
<v Speaker 2>her yoga videos, like she looks like a man. And

0:45:08.960 --> 0:45:11.520
<v Speaker 2>at one point a Miss Thing sends a picture of

0:45:11.880 --> 0:45:12.960
<v Speaker 2>his dick to mister J.

0:45:13.520 --> 0:45:15.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then mister j is like, I'm going to

0:45:16.040 --> 0:45:20.200
<v Speaker 1>put your dick pic like all over social media. Also

0:45:20.360 --> 0:45:23.000
<v Speaker 1>like this other racist joke that Miss Thing is making

0:45:23.080 --> 0:45:26.120
<v Speaker 1>about Nigel's wife, right, is there something you're not telling

0:45:26.239 --> 0:45:29.480
<v Speaker 1>us about? Suck Deep, the model coach interrupted. She don't

0:45:29.560 --> 0:45:31.719
<v Speaker 1>pass to a trained eye like mine, and ps, she

0:45:31.760 --> 0:45:34.160
<v Speaker 1>may want to stay out of harsh daylight hashtag just

0:45:34.239 --> 0:45:35.800
<v Speaker 1>saying he's.

0:45:35.640 --> 0:45:38.400
<v Speaker 2>Like, yeah, actually everyone on set was racist.

0:45:38.560 --> 0:45:41.440
<v Speaker 1>Everyone was like really really continue abusive.

0:45:42.120 --> 0:45:43.279
<v Speaker 2>But me, I'm just kind of.

0:45:43.280 --> 0:45:45.960
<v Speaker 1>Anas Dickinson, who seems like the nicest person.

0:45:45.960 --> 0:45:47.600
<v Speaker 2>Right, which is probably true, not.

0:45:47.520 --> 0:45:49.759
<v Speaker 1>Being mean to anyone. No, I do believe that because

0:45:49.800 --> 0:45:53.080
<v Speaker 1>it's like she's harsh in her critiques because she's fabulous and.

0:45:53.040 --> 0:45:55.719
<v Speaker 2>She's an actual model, so she's probably just been like, yah,

0:45:55.800 --> 0:45:58.640
<v Speaker 2>star for yourself and just model ways. But like wasn't

0:45:58.760 --> 0:46:01.760
<v Speaker 2>backstabbing and so crazy and the Tyra way.

0:46:01.719 --> 0:46:03.440
<v Speaker 1>No, because all the rest of them were just like

0:46:03.560 --> 0:46:05.959
<v Speaker 1>literally being evil to each other and like not showing

0:46:06.000 --> 0:46:08.200
<v Speaker 1>up and said, and you're quing completely I'm professional where

0:46:08.200 --> 0:46:10.279
<v Speaker 1>it's like, yes, Jane's maybe passing out because she's wait,

0:46:10.400 --> 0:46:11.960
<v Speaker 1>she's there, there.

0:46:12.160 --> 0:46:14.719
<v Speaker 2>She was there the whole time. Yeah, at the end

0:46:14.760 --> 0:46:17.400
<v Speaker 2>of the day, like I love mister J and I

0:46:17.400 --> 0:46:21.319
<v Speaker 2>love Tyra, and mister J like obviously contributed, so no.

0:46:21.680 --> 0:46:24.120
<v Speaker 1>I and I'm sure your top model, and I'm sure

0:46:24.160 --> 0:46:27.120
<v Speaker 1>that his grievance is largely found in the fact that

0:46:27.160 --> 0:46:30.200
<v Speaker 1>he was not like pain enough. He wasn't respected enough

0:46:30.239 --> 0:46:32.439
<v Speaker 1>for the amount of work he was doing to make

0:46:32.480 --> 0:46:34.040
<v Speaker 1>that show good, like on to make it.

0:46:34.120 --> 0:46:36.320
<v Speaker 2>What it was, because I remember like watching that in

0:46:36.360 --> 0:46:38.279
<v Speaker 2>high school and I was like, wait, I want I

0:46:38.320 --> 0:46:40.759
<v Speaker 2>was like whatever, mister Jay's job is, I want it,

0:46:41.080 --> 0:46:43.360
<v Speaker 2>and like, yeah, do I create photo shoots for my

0:46:43.400 --> 0:46:44.200
<v Speaker 2>own damn self?

0:46:44.200 --> 0:46:47.600
<v Speaker 1>Now? Yeah? Period. So in a way, yes, but isn't

0:46:47.640 --> 0:46:49.520
<v Speaker 1>Tyra's insanity why the show is good?

0:46:49.600 --> 0:46:51.880
<v Speaker 2>But then also he kind of is a little bit

0:46:51.880 --> 0:46:54.799
<v Speaker 2>of a hypocrite because when talking about the kind of

0:46:54.800 --> 0:46:59.920
<v Speaker 2>the controversial, unwoke episodes of Top Model, well, all decisions

0:47:00.040 --> 0:47:01.480
<v Speaker 2>at the end of the day, we're Ken malk and

0:47:01.520 --> 0:47:02.520
<v Speaker 2>Tyra oh.

0:47:02.400 --> 0:47:04.520
<v Speaker 1>In the variety, Yeah, in the variety, Oh yeah, No,

0:47:04.680 --> 0:47:06.759
<v Speaker 1>he is like suddenly being so like I'm going to

0:47:06.840 --> 0:47:09.600
<v Speaker 1>do it's politically trendy and throw them under the bus.

0:47:09.640 --> 0:47:11.799
<v Speaker 2>But then he's kind of saying like, well, all my

0:47:11.840 --> 0:47:13.680
<v Speaker 2>amazing ideas for the photo shoots were me.

0:47:14.120 --> 0:47:16.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so look, I'm.

0:47:16.600 --> 0:47:22.040
<v Speaker 2>Sure everyone was a huge bitch except for Janas. Yeah,

0:47:22.920 --> 0:47:26.319
<v Speaker 2>I'm like the nicest person alive Jannis, And I just

0:47:26.360 --> 0:47:30.040
<v Speaker 2>think probably like Tyra did like make j come over

0:47:30.080 --> 0:47:33.480
<v Speaker 2>for ice cream, and made him feel like they were BFFs,

0:47:33.520 --> 0:47:35.040
<v Speaker 2>and then when he left, she was just kind of

0:47:35.120 --> 0:47:35.759
<v Speaker 2>like you're dead to me.

0:47:35.920 --> 0:47:38.440
<v Speaker 1>I remember reading it in every once with her or

0:47:38.440 --> 0:47:40.160
<v Speaker 1>like a profile of her in the Times or something,

0:47:40.560 --> 0:47:43.200
<v Speaker 1>and it was about how she had IBS and it

0:47:43.280 --> 0:47:45.279
<v Speaker 1>was like she had these assistants and like it was

0:47:45.280 --> 0:47:47.080
<v Speaker 1>like she was like kept like sitting up and then

0:47:47.120 --> 0:47:49.399
<v Speaker 1>like sitting down again and was like wearing a big

0:47:49.400 --> 0:47:51.520
<v Speaker 1>white belt and like one of the assistants just goes,

0:47:51.640 --> 0:47:54.360
<v Speaker 1>is it ibs? And like even in the article, I

0:47:54.400 --> 0:47:56.759
<v Speaker 1>was like, Oh this assistants like so scared, like you

0:47:56.760 --> 0:47:58.279
<v Speaker 1>can tell, and like she's.

0:47:58.160 --> 0:48:02.120
<v Speaker 2>I mean the gut rules all yeah, if something ain't right,

0:48:02.440 --> 0:48:03.439
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna lash out.

0:48:03.560 --> 0:48:06.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And it's funny that he didn't give the character

0:48:06.160 --> 0:48:08.000
<v Speaker 1>IBS in this book because maybe he thought that would

0:48:08.000 --> 0:48:08.799
<v Speaker 1>be like too many.

0:48:08.800 --> 0:48:11.520
<v Speaker 2>I think. So he's just gonna make it like, oh,

0:48:11.560 --> 0:48:14.719
<v Speaker 2>look she's downing a rib and I'm gonna send this

0:48:14.800 --> 0:48:18.680
<v Speaker 2>photo of her eating ribs to Miss Things, but then

0:48:18.760 --> 0:48:21.680
<v Speaker 2>goes through Miss Thing's phone in the book and deletes

0:48:21.760 --> 0:48:24.520
<v Speaker 2>the photo to show like, oh look how nice I

0:48:24.560 --> 0:48:26.800
<v Speaker 2>am I delete the photo of like reading the ribs.

0:48:26.560 --> 0:48:30.200
<v Speaker 1>Also just about him putting out fires, yes, constantly, just

0:48:30.239 --> 0:48:33.200
<v Speaker 1>about like how a gay guy has to put out fires.

0:48:33.400 --> 0:48:35.360
<v Speaker 2>And like there's a moment of the book where he

0:48:35.400 --> 0:48:38.759
<v Speaker 2>gets like a like Golden Globes runway job with Heidi

0:48:38.840 --> 0:48:42.439
<v Speaker 2>Klum and finally gets like a better inner ear mic

0:48:42.719 --> 0:48:44.399
<v Speaker 2>where he hears more going on.

0:48:44.840 --> 0:48:46.799
<v Speaker 1>And then well because she refuses to have an inner

0:48:46.800 --> 0:48:49.600
<v Speaker 1>ear mic because she doesn't want all these voices in

0:48:49.640 --> 0:48:54.040
<v Speaker 1>her head control. Yes, but he actually loves like knowing

0:48:54.080 --> 0:48:54.800
<v Speaker 1>what's going.

0:48:54.600 --> 0:48:55.880
<v Speaker 2>On, hearing everything.

0:48:56.000 --> 0:48:58.440
<v Speaker 1>Okay. Also later in the book when he just quotes

0:48:58.480 --> 0:49:01.920
<v Speaker 1>more endowed randomly, No, I mean again, I was like,

0:49:02.040 --> 0:49:03.600
<v Speaker 1>you are an insane Like.

0:49:04.640 --> 0:49:07.080
<v Speaker 2>Well, I wonder, okay, do you think though this part

0:49:07.200 --> 0:49:11.520
<v Speaker 2>is that's very Octavia Butler truth or fiction. The basic

0:49:11.640 --> 0:49:15.040
<v Speaker 2>culmination of this book is that Tyra promises.

0:49:15.239 --> 0:49:18.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh hay, I'm a talk show together, and then she

0:49:18.719 --> 0:49:20.400
<v Speaker 1>gets it just by herself.

0:49:20.000 --> 0:49:22.200
<v Speaker 2>And he hears on the mic her being.

0:49:22.040 --> 0:49:23.760
<v Speaker 1>Like somewhere in between.

0:49:23.680 --> 0:49:25.040
<v Speaker 2>Right where it's like, I don't think it was going

0:49:25.080 --> 0:49:27.960
<v Speaker 2>to be the Tyra and Jay show. Maybe it was

0:49:28.000 --> 0:49:30.200
<v Speaker 2>like he was gonna have a segment or something like that,

0:49:30.280 --> 0:49:31.240
<v Speaker 2>and something happened.

0:49:31.800 --> 0:49:35.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure there were conversations where she was not promising anything,

0:49:36.040 --> 0:49:39.879
<v Speaker 1>but he interpreted it as more of a promise than

0:49:39.920 --> 0:49:43.360
<v Speaker 1>it was. And she was like, oh, I'm thinking of

0:49:43.400 --> 0:49:45.279
<v Speaker 1>a talk show, and she didn't say my talk show,

0:49:45.280 --> 0:49:47.239
<v Speaker 1>but she didn't say our talk show, and then he

0:49:47.320 --> 0:49:49.399
<v Speaker 1>interpreted that as like, we're going to have a talk show.

0:49:49.840 --> 0:49:51.840
<v Speaker 1>And then you know, conversations came and maybe.

0:49:51.640 --> 0:49:53.520
<v Speaker 2>She made a joke like oh my god, and like

0:49:53.560 --> 0:49:56.399
<v Speaker 2>you're so great on camera and Evere loves you. Now

0:49:56.920 --> 0:49:58.640
<v Speaker 2>maybe you can do a B and C.

0:49:59.480 --> 0:50:01.400
<v Speaker 1>Maybe she's a will work it all out. But I

0:50:01.440 --> 0:50:03.480
<v Speaker 1>doubt that she promised him the Tyrat And.

0:50:03.719 --> 0:50:06.879
<v Speaker 2>I don't think ABC because or it was like on

0:50:06.920 --> 0:50:08.960
<v Speaker 2>ABC or CW.

0:50:08.880 --> 0:50:10.520
<v Speaker 1>Was on Yeah UPN and then c W.

0:50:10.920 --> 0:50:14.080
<v Speaker 2>I don't think they were going to ever have the Tyra.

0:50:13.960 --> 0:50:16.319
<v Speaker 1>And J Show because America wasn't ready for a gig

0:50:16.360 --> 0:50:17.200
<v Speaker 1>guy co hosting a show.

0:50:17.239 --> 0:50:19.040
<v Speaker 2>But it's also it's just Tyre Max. It's gonna be

0:50:19.040 --> 0:50:20.080
<v Speaker 2>called it the Tyre MAXs Show.

0:50:20.200 --> 0:50:22.920
<v Speaker 1>It's funny also that he like is coming around the

0:50:22.920 --> 0:50:25.000
<v Speaker 1>same time as Stephen Cochocaru and was one of the

0:50:25.320 --> 0:50:29.719
<v Speaker 1>first gays on TV, like a real fag, And it.

0:50:29.640 --> 0:50:31.560
<v Speaker 2>Goes to what Kocho has told us that everyone was like,

0:50:31.640 --> 0:50:33.960
<v Speaker 2>so like, we can't handle what a faggot you are.

0:50:34.120 --> 0:50:35.960
<v Speaker 1>Kind of kind of yeah, yeah.

0:50:35.880 --> 0:50:38.120
<v Speaker 2>Like miss Jay and I think mister j was always

0:50:38.120 --> 0:50:41.000
<v Speaker 2>like I'm gonna be a little mask right, silver hair

0:50:41.640 --> 0:50:43.880
<v Speaker 2>and kind of be the more controlled gay guy of

0:50:43.920 --> 0:50:44.279
<v Speaker 2>the show.

0:50:44.520 --> 0:50:50.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, controlled gay guy with an up silver contact. But

0:50:50.719 --> 0:50:53.240
<v Speaker 1>see then I'm like he is like kind of uptight

0:50:53.280 --> 0:50:55.520
<v Speaker 1>and maybe he would have freaked out if Nigel like

0:50:56.040 --> 0:50:56.839
<v Speaker 1>came on to him.

0:50:57.000 --> 0:50:58.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he does seem a little up tight and like

0:50:59.400 --> 0:51:01.080
<v Speaker 2>he never looked hooks up in the book.

0:51:01.560 --> 0:51:02.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's interesting and.

0:51:02.840 --> 0:51:05.480
<v Speaker 2>He mentions like, oh, maybe like some of the lucky

0:51:05.520 --> 0:51:09.000
<v Speaker 2>people like in our three week break can have sex.

0:51:08.880 --> 0:51:11.799
<v Speaker 1>Because I'm sure also random contestants on the show were

0:51:11.800 --> 0:51:13.279
<v Speaker 1>fucking producers.

0:51:12.760 --> 0:51:14.960
<v Speaker 2>And the camera, which is another thing yes.

0:51:15.040 --> 0:51:16.719
<v Speaker 1>That happens in the book. And it's like, I'm sure

0:51:16.719 --> 0:51:18.760
<v Speaker 1>he's looking at this girls being like, damn, I'm jealous

0:51:18.760 --> 0:51:19.239
<v Speaker 1>of the fight that.

0:51:19.160 --> 0:51:21.440
<v Speaker 2>You're wish at the time. But here I am eating

0:51:21.440 --> 0:51:22.239
<v Speaker 2>ice cream.

0:51:22.160 --> 0:51:24.640
<v Speaker 1>With Tyra, with Tyra be four in the morning while

0:51:24.760 --> 0:51:27.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm like going over all the creative for this photo

0:51:27.600 --> 0:51:29.200
<v Speaker 1>shoot and she's not doing any of the.

0:51:29.200 --> 0:51:32.480
<v Speaker 2>Work, and then she's going in fucking a football player.

0:51:33.280 --> 0:51:37.120
<v Speaker 2>I still have to go through spreadsheets with Ken Mob. Ultimately,

0:51:37.160 --> 0:51:39.799
<v Speaker 2>the rule is, you can't believe anyone in Hold.

0:51:39.880 --> 0:51:41.719
<v Speaker 1>Don't believe anyone in Hollywood. You can't make an omelet

0:51:41.760 --> 0:51:43.680
<v Speaker 1>without breaking a few eggs. And no, you're not gonna

0:51:43.680 --> 0:51:45.680
<v Speaker 1>make one of the best reality shows of all time.

0:51:45.520 --> 0:51:47.800
<v Speaker 2>Without stepping on fucking tails.

0:51:47.960 --> 0:51:50.480
<v Speaker 1>Okay, and like causing a lot of trauma.

0:51:50.200 --> 0:51:53.960
<v Speaker 2>Because Pablo even gets in a fight with himself aka

0:51:54.080 --> 0:51:57.520
<v Speaker 2>j Manuel in the book, and that's the real lesson.

0:51:58.080 --> 0:52:00.319
<v Speaker 2>You get in a fight with your inner men tour

0:52:00.480 --> 0:52:14.440
<v Speaker 2>actually trust no one. Okay. Everyone is like, so fucking shady.

0:52:15.320 --> 0:52:18.359
<v Speaker 1>America's next top segments, What does she eat?

0:52:18.480 --> 0:52:21.359
<v Speaker 2>What does she wear? How does she live? Wait, I

0:52:21.400 --> 0:52:22.080
<v Speaker 2>have to read.

0:52:21.920 --> 0:52:24.840
<v Speaker 1>A passage about how does she live? About the apartment?

0:52:24.920 --> 0:52:25.640
<v Speaker 2>About the apartment.

0:52:25.760 --> 0:52:28.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think this passage is pretty probably accurate to

0:52:28.880 --> 0:52:29.920
<v Speaker 1>his personal style.

0:52:30.120 --> 0:52:33.120
<v Speaker 2>Well, and in this it's very like Pablo spent hours

0:52:33.200 --> 0:52:38.640
<v Speaker 2>designing his new apartment. Coming through the front door, Pablo

0:52:38.680 --> 0:52:40.920
<v Speaker 2>wanted his guest eyes to be drawn to the ultimate

0:52:40.960 --> 0:52:43.839
<v Speaker 2>focal wall opposite his bedroom. At first glance, it looked

0:52:43.840 --> 0:52:46.759
<v Speaker 2>like an architectural detail, but it concealed the components in

0:52:46.760 --> 0:52:49.880
<v Speaker 2>his bank Ulson home theater system, which revealed the press

0:52:49.960 --> 0:52:52.839
<v Speaker 2>of a button or a request from Siri. In front

0:52:52.880 --> 0:52:55.640
<v Speaker 2>of that was a light gray Minotti sectional sofa and

0:52:55.760 --> 0:52:59.720
<v Speaker 2>one of his last famous script rugs, with illeligible black

0:53:00.000 --> 0:53:03.600
<v Speaker 2>writing scribbled across the white fabric. A white lacquer desktop

0:53:03.600 --> 0:53:07.000
<v Speaker 2>appeared to be floating in space above clear loosite legs

0:53:07.080 --> 0:53:10.080
<v Speaker 2>that had been fashioned to look like cut crystal stemmed

0:53:10.200 --> 0:53:13.640
<v Speaker 2>champagne glasses. He'd actually splurged on having a custom made

0:53:13.640 --> 0:53:17.360
<v Speaker 2>Eames executive chair created for his desk, white, of course,

0:53:17.880 --> 0:53:21.240
<v Speaker 2>like the clean palette of a painter. Pablo had created

0:53:21.239 --> 0:53:25.640
<v Speaker 2>a modern neoclassical vibe to help him keep a clear

0:53:25.719 --> 0:53:28.319
<v Speaker 2>mind when he wasn't on the chaotic set of Model Muse.

0:53:28.480 --> 0:53:30.400
<v Speaker 2>So it's just so gay, and it's like everything is

0:53:30.440 --> 0:53:34.760
<v Speaker 2>like white and loosit and like modern and metal and

0:53:35.200 --> 0:53:37.799
<v Speaker 2>like a white Eames chair. It's just like everything is

0:53:37.840 --> 0:53:41.919
<v Speaker 2>so just like Gay Guy twenty twelve, like white, clear and.

0:53:41.840 --> 0:53:45.359
<v Speaker 1>Modern modern modern rome.

0:53:45.840 --> 0:53:48.400
<v Speaker 2>And there's like so much loos site and like floating

0:53:48.480 --> 0:53:52.720
<v Speaker 2>mirrors everywhere. I almost think his apartment is like cheesy

0:53:52.800 --> 0:53:55.040
<v Speaker 2>yours than this, and this is his fantasy.

0:53:55.480 --> 0:53:58.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, do you think that he's like Big Audrey Hepburn.

0:53:58.880 --> 0:54:03.120
<v Speaker 2>Like do you think it's like silver white, fake crystal

0:54:03.200 --> 0:54:07.160
<v Speaker 2>Big Audrey Heppern like mirror chandelier and like maybe there

0:54:07.239 --> 0:54:09.680
<v Speaker 2>is like a loosight desk for sure, with like a

0:54:09.719 --> 0:54:13.240
<v Speaker 2>white lacquer tabletop. And I think it's like a white

0:54:13.360 --> 0:54:16.480
<v Speaker 2>leather sexual or bouclet. Now probably you.

0:54:16.400 --> 0:54:18.880
<v Speaker 1>Don't think he's gotten into any like more textiles in

0:54:18.920 --> 0:54:19.840
<v Speaker 1>the past few years.

0:54:19.880 --> 0:54:22.839
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think he likes MASONI pillows because he mentions those,

0:54:22.880 --> 0:54:24.960
<v Speaker 2>So I think he does have pops of color.

0:54:24.840 --> 0:54:28.040
<v Speaker 1>Okay, and pattern, pops of color and pattern exactly.

0:54:28.120 --> 0:54:30.640
<v Speaker 2>But he's still like white, silver and matrix. What does

0:54:30.680 --> 0:54:34.040
<v Speaker 2>he wear? He's always wearing just like the tightis like buttoned.

0:54:34.560 --> 0:54:36.720
<v Speaker 1>The way he dresses is like kind of how everyone

0:54:36.840 --> 0:54:39.479
<v Speaker 1>dresses to the club now, Like every gay guy looks

0:54:39.520 --> 0:54:42.319
<v Speaker 1>like j Manuel now where they're wearing like it's so

0:54:42.440 --> 0:54:45.600
<v Speaker 1>like bearragone. It's so like I'm wearing a tight animal

0:54:45.640 --> 0:54:50.720
<v Speaker 1>print vest and then flared jeans like bootcut distressed jeans,

0:54:51.120 --> 0:54:53.320
<v Speaker 1>and I have dyed my hair and I have an earring.

0:54:53.520 --> 0:54:56.600
<v Speaker 2>He's now like so much, even more silver in his hair.

0:54:57.040 --> 0:54:59.600
<v Speaker 1>He just like wet with silver and like cause.

0:55:00.200 --> 0:55:01.880
<v Speaker 2>First cycle it was like bleached blonde and then I

0:55:01.960 --> 0:55:05.239
<v Speaker 2>got more and more silver. What does he eat? I

0:55:05.280 --> 0:55:09.320
<v Speaker 2>mean he probably can't even look at Joe's Shanghai now yeah,

0:55:09.440 --> 0:55:13.960
<v Speaker 2>or de Lache, But I think he's just like Sushi Taie.

0:55:14.360 --> 0:55:16.480
<v Speaker 1>It's also funny because it's like Tyra does have an

0:55:16.520 --> 0:55:18.319
<v Speaker 1>ice cream company now, so like the whole ice cream

0:55:18.360 --> 0:55:19.560
<v Speaker 1>part is very true.

0:55:20.040 --> 0:55:23.320
<v Speaker 2>Not to say the amount. He must fucking hate Tyra.

0:55:23.719 --> 0:55:27.279
<v Speaker 2>It's crazy. The only thing he changed is make one

0:55:27.320 --> 0:55:32.000
<v Speaker 2>girl irish and add in a sex scene for himself

0:55:32.280 --> 0:55:38.080
<v Speaker 2>because he probably didn't like fuck for eight years anyway.

0:55:38.200 --> 0:55:41.160
<v Speaker 2>I just think he's very like Sesame ginger dressing, but

0:55:41.239 --> 0:55:42.279
<v Speaker 2>like he's buying.

0:55:41.960 --> 0:55:44.480
<v Speaker 1>It from Annie's Annie's dressing.

0:55:44.920 --> 0:55:47.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, girls in the fridge, white.

0:55:47.280 --> 0:55:50.160
<v Speaker 1>Snow because hello, he's so like Matrix Modern. He's not

0:55:50.200 --> 0:55:54.640
<v Speaker 1>getting like bread and Circus asked like Cambridge mom dressing.

0:55:55.200 --> 0:55:57.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't think he's going to like the Union Square

0:55:57.080 --> 0:55:59.640
<v Speaker 2>Whole Foods right now and is grabbing a three sixty

0:55:59.719 --> 0:56:02.080
<v Speaker 2>five Sesami ginger dressing.

0:56:01.920 --> 0:56:05.040
<v Speaker 1>A Preta Mande loyalty card and that thing is worn out.

0:56:05.120 --> 0:56:07.959
<v Speaker 2>I think he is making like a salmon for him

0:56:08.120 --> 0:56:11.200
<v Speaker 2>and like miss things sometimes.

0:56:11.120 --> 0:56:13.360
<v Speaker 1>Or maybe he's like factor meals now.

0:56:13.320 --> 0:56:15.600
<v Speaker 2>Oh, just delivery. I just don't you know if he

0:56:15.640 --> 0:56:18.719
<v Speaker 2>can afford the factory meals right now. Like so I'm

0:56:18.760 --> 0:56:22.879
<v Speaker 2>saying she's grocery shopping. I like literally like Da Castino's.

0:56:26.280 --> 0:56:30.520
<v Speaker 1>He's getting the pre mix, like mung bean salad. Yeah, okay, Chills,

0:56:32.239 --> 0:56:34.840
<v Speaker 1>who are you in the book? I honestly identified with

0:56:34.840 --> 0:56:36.799
<v Speaker 1>almost everyone in this book because I was like, wait,

0:56:36.800 --> 0:56:40.760
<v Speaker 1>I feel like Rachel Prod the like Xanax popping producer.

0:56:40.840 --> 0:56:43.120
<v Speaker 1>I feel like Janis, who's just like a sleep. I

0:56:43.160 --> 0:56:46.720
<v Speaker 1>feel like Nigel, who's British. I feel Nigel.

0:56:46.800 --> 0:56:49.440
<v Speaker 2>Sorry. The only person you're not in this book is.

0:56:50.200 --> 0:56:52.040
<v Speaker 1>I feel like Tyra because she's like.

0:56:52.080 --> 0:56:55.080
<v Speaker 2>You're Tyra Bean, Like, come over, I have flavors, but

0:56:55.120 --> 0:56:55.920
<v Speaker 2>that are all to just.

0:56:55.880 --> 0:56:59.319
<v Speaker 1>Like go, yeah, come over, you need to leave.

0:57:00.719 --> 0:57:02.879
<v Speaker 2>You're always been like one of the dumplings. I love

0:57:03.080 --> 0:57:03.560
<v Speaker 2>not that.

0:57:05.239 --> 0:57:10.520
<v Speaker 1>Not that are you Jay, because like you are so

0:57:10.719 --> 0:57:13.080
<v Speaker 1>like I went to fashion school and I dreamed of

0:57:13.080 --> 0:57:15.640
<v Speaker 1>becoming a fashion designer and you're so f I T right.

0:57:15.520 --> 0:57:17.240
<v Speaker 2>And I'm like working for Michael Cores, and I'm like,

0:57:17.280 --> 0:57:19.840
<v Speaker 2>this is my one shot. Do you feel like I'm

0:57:19.840 --> 0:57:20.440
<v Speaker 2>being so like.

0:57:22.320 --> 0:57:23.200
<v Speaker 1>You do behind this?

0:57:23.400 --> 0:57:26.840
<v Speaker 2>No? If you say, oh, you're so silly. Little do

0:57:26.920 --> 0:57:27.280
<v Speaker 2>they know.

0:57:28.120 --> 0:57:31.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm writing a podcast, writing podcast descriptions every week.

0:57:32.080 --> 0:57:35.680
<v Speaker 2>And coming up with photoshoot ideas and like, I'm not adopted,

0:57:35.720 --> 0:57:36.520
<v Speaker 2>but what if I was.

0:57:37.000 --> 0:57:38.520
<v Speaker 1>No one will be surprised.

0:57:40.640 --> 0:57:43.520
<v Speaker 2>The adoption storyline in this book. That's a reason to

0:57:44.000 --> 0:57:46.080
<v Speaker 2>support Jay.

0:57:47.360 --> 0:57:49.160
<v Speaker 1>Okay, you're Jay.

0:57:49.640 --> 0:57:55.680
<v Speaker 2>You're Tyra. I think I'm also like miss d La

0:57:55.760 --> 0:58:00.200
<v Speaker 2>renta stylist who I'm just like, girl, don't go there.

0:58:00.480 --> 0:58:03.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they were Switzerland because he's so neutral and that

0:58:03.920 --> 0:58:06.120
<v Speaker 1>is so you and you are like neutral in a war.

0:58:06.280 --> 0:58:07.720
<v Speaker 2>And I'm kind of like getting the tea.

0:58:07.760 --> 0:58:12.400
<v Speaker 1>But I'm like, don't I totally see Switzerland for you

0:58:13.160 --> 0:58:14.600
<v Speaker 1>Switzerland and Tyra.

0:58:14.800 --> 0:58:17.760
<v Speaker 2>But also you're Gemos. Thank you because you're actually Sweden.

0:58:17.760 --> 0:58:20.880
<v Speaker 2>People think you're such a bitch, right, but you're actually

0:58:20.880 --> 0:58:21.280
<v Speaker 2>just giving.

0:58:21.320 --> 0:58:25.360
<v Speaker 1>Like no, it's like to criticism is bitchy, but like

0:58:25.440 --> 0:58:26.479
<v Speaker 1>as a human at.

0:58:26.400 --> 0:58:28.440
<v Speaker 2>The end of the day, like picking someone up at

0:58:28.480 --> 0:58:29.440
<v Speaker 2>the hospital, yes, and.

0:58:29.560 --> 0:58:34.760
<v Speaker 1>You're not about taking care of my own loyalty is everything.

0:58:34.320 --> 0:58:38.200
<v Speaker 2>To me in this industry. Okay, how do I it's

0:58:38.280 --> 0:58:40.919
<v Speaker 2>so crazy to write this book. On one hand, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>like ten fierce catwalks out of ten, Like as a

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<v Speaker 2>kind of piece of outsider art, it's so amazing. If

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<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about fiction, fiction is not.

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<v Speaker 1>So fiction is not literature. It is barely I I

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<v Speaker 1>do struggle with that and just the overall quality of it.

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<v Speaker 1>But then I'm like, yes, as a piece of like

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<v Speaker 1>mail art.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like outsider mail art, like MoMA conceptual art from

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<v Speaker 2>wordy dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm obsessed with it, and I'm obsessed that he just

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<v Speaker 1>went forward and did it and was like, twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm publishing this book that no one wants for some reason,

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<v Speaker 1>even though it is it insane.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell all, I just can't believe you went there and

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<v Speaker 2>really tore Tyra a new one like this.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm surprised that he didn't just write a memoir, but

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it's like the legal issues of him too much,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was like too afraid.

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<v Speaker 2>May of us speak, and he is not well.

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<v Speaker 1>I also feel like maybe on some level he's hoping

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<v Speaker 1>for forgiveness, forgiveness from Tyra and he wants that relationship

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<v Speaker 1>to be repaired in some way.

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<v Speaker 2>He wants her to read it and be like, you're right,

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<v Speaker 2>I was rude. I was a bit calm over. We're

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<v Speaker 2>having literally movies Dulce delche. Yeah, all right, mister Jay, Congratulations.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you. You are one of the most important culture

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<v Speaker 1>figures of the century.

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<v Speaker 2>You are the winner.

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<v Speaker 1>You are the winner of of America's next top podcast Best.

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<v Speaker 1>My Daughter and Arms on the Runway is our fabulous producer,

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<v Speaker 1>Darby Masters.

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<v Speaker 2>This episode was supervised produced by none other than Miss

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<v Speaker 2>Thing abou Zafar, work Bitch.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course we have no one to thank but

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<v Speaker 1>mister Thing. Our engineer Bahid Fraser.

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<v Speaker 2>Our fierce executive producer is Christina Everett Mother.

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<v Speaker 1>Our theme song was done by Fierce down in Dirty

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<v Speaker 1>Divas Stephen Phillips Horst. He makes me strut down the

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<v Speaker 1>sidewalk like the catwalk that it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Artwork was done by a really sexy, sexy British artist

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<v Speaker 2>I discovered when I was in Miami on a work

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<v Speaker 2>trip with Teddy Blintz.

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<v Speaker 1>I originally conceive this podcast in bed with Prologue projects

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<v Speaker 1>eating ice Cream one night, Well, it was three in

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<v Speaker 1>the morning, we were crying about boys, and we were like,

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<v Speaker 1>wait a minute, we have to do it podcast about this. Ultimately,

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<v Speaker 1>we have part of ways creatively, but I wish him

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<v Speaker 1>the best in his future endeavors.