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Speaker 1: Celebrity Book Club. Will Stephen and Lily please step forward.

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Speaker 1: Two beautiful girls stand before me, but only one of

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Speaker 1: you will continue on in the hopes of becoming America's

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Speaker 1: next top model in the winner of a one hundred

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars contract with iHeartRadio on the Outspoken Network. Lily,

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Speaker 1: when you came into this competition, no one thought you

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Speaker 1: could hack it. You were a mess, You were slurring

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Speaker 1: your speech, you seemed tired. One of the judges thought

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Speaker 1: you were high. You could barely put one foot in

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Speaker 1: front of the other, and you didn't even know how

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Speaker 1: to tie your shoes. But week after week you've improved

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Speaker 1: or what this competition is all about. You've showed grit, determination,

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Speaker 1: and a chameleon like quality to make us laugh in

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Speaker 1: various different disguises, like your Charlie Chaplin photo shoot, which

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Speaker 1: blew our socks off. But there's one thing you still

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Speaker 1: don't have, and that's good teeth. And your refusal to

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Speaker 1: get adult braces suggests to the judges that maybe you

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Speaker 1: don't have what it takes to go far in the

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Speaker 1: real world of modeling.

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Speaker 2: Tyra, thank you so much for this chance. Today I

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Speaker 2: double knotted my shoelaces in Midtown Manhattan, and I was

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Speaker 2: thinking I couldn't have done this six weeks ago. I'm

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Speaker 2: hearing so many voices in my head, and sometimes I'm

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Speaker 2: told by the girls or Miss Jay that I shouldn't

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Speaker 2: get braces because then I'll never get the contract with

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Speaker 2: Elle Lily.

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Speaker 1: What I'm hearing is excuses. Thank you for saying your piece, Stephen.

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Speaker 1: You have everything Lily doesn't, but she has everything you need.

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Speaker 1: You came into this competition brilliant, a strong face, a

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Speaker 1: severe jawline, wide hips. Every week. The judges have been

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Speaker 1: wowed by your consistency. But there's one thing you don't have,

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Speaker 1: and that's a normal hairline. We've tried to get you

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Speaker 1: to wear wigs and you refuse. So why is your

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Speaker 1: inability to change so prominent? And why are you refusing

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Speaker 1: to do what you need to do to make it

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Speaker 1: in this business?

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Speaker 2: Tyra, don't get it. When I was a little boy

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Speaker 2: on the school yard, a girl came up to me

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Speaker 2: and she pulled my hair and she pulled a patch out,

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Speaker 2: and she said, you'll never make it in this town ever,

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Speaker 2: And that day I promised myself I would make it. Bald,

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Speaker 2: I don't care what you say, Taira. I'm gonna make

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Speaker 2: it bald.

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Speaker 1: Watch me. The judges have made our decision. America's next

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Speaker 1: top Model is Lily.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. I'll do whatever. I'll take out

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Speaker 2: my people, I'll get danchers.

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Speaker 1: Remember this moment. You earned it. This is your moment hip.

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Speaker 2: Obecca's that next top model. Oh my god, Oh my god, Stephen,

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Speaker 2: you're gonna get a contract for all. I'm sure cut.

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Speaker 1: Who's that knocking at the door. It's all your friends.

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Speaker 1: You've filthy horse, your husband's gone, and you've got books

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Speaker 1: and a bottle of wine to kill.

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Speaker 2: It's Hollywood, it's books, it's gossip.

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Speaker 1: I'm shook. It's memoir, it's martinis.

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Speaker 2: Celebrity Poop Club. Read it while it's hot.

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Speaker 1: Celebrity poop Club, tell your secrets.

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Speaker 2: We won't talk celebrity books.

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Speaker 1: No boys are a loud celet book, say it loud

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Speaker 1: and pound. Celebrity book Club.

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Speaker 2: Buzz me in. I brought the queer voe.

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Speaker 1: Hey, my friend, Merry holiday season? Am I right?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god? Sorry, put down the eggnog. Wait. I

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Speaker 2: have to tell you about this completely insane I heard

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Speaker 2: on lay it on me radio that was just like, ugh,

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Speaker 2: is your aunt over the holidays? Like on your nerves?

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Speaker 2: Like and then it's like an impression of an aunt

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Speaker 2: then like the voiceover is like, want to escape from

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Speaker 2: like this dumbass aunt who keeps like asking you, like

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Speaker 2: why you're so single? Come to Boston. It was an

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Speaker 2: ad for Boston, an ad for Boston, and Boston is

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Speaker 2: the place where you escape aunts, which is just so

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Speaker 1: And like the idea is that like instead of like

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Speaker 1: Boston's a great place, you know, as a woman traveling alone,

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Speaker 1: It's so funny because I met my boyfriend when he

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Speaker 2: A single woman. He literally was like getting way to

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Speaker 1: There's so many things happening in Boston now.

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Speaker 1: Oh like like some wildlife I've been there, and you're

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Speaker 1: Gosh, my parents was the thing where they like they

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Speaker 1: I do remember doing carrots at one point. Real was

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Speaker 1: Right now now I'm remember and it was like nilla

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Speaker 2: these days, I'm sure Santa is having a collagen Smoothie arowon.

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Speaker 1: Santa Snatched Mama. Okay, she's looking good, making a new

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Speaker 2: Hmmm, Ozam to the GOLs.

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Speaker 1: Missus Claus is just like wait, I like you fat.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's like, oh, you're leaving me behind.

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Speaker 1: No, he's like more creating.

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Speaker 1: I'm reindeer. Some of them are for play and some

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Speaker 1: of them are for work, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: You can't play more with your reindeer speak speaking of

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Speaker 2: honestly looking snatched and also traditions changing. Yes, today we're

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Speaker 1: This is maybe the most adult fiction we've done, although

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Speaker 1: that's really debatable. It feels like it's a children's book.

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Speaker 2: We've done children's but when we did Millie Bobby Brown's

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Speaker 2: historical novel, have we done a self published Actually it

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Speaker 2: I think word you dot com.

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Speaker 1: It's Wordy with two ease. Yeah. Yeah, it's giving him

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Speaker 2: No, you're gonna be really taking care of this independent publisher.

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Speaker 1: I'm actually surprised that this wouldn't have gotten at least

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Speaker 1: like some imprint of Harper to come on, it's literally famous.

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Speaker 1: It's a tell all right.

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Speaker 2: Some kind of like pop culture imprint Samon Schuster, Harper.

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Speaker 1: Random Gallery Books, Hello anyone. Yeah, so it's basically it

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Speaker 1: is a tell all. It is fiction, but it's very

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Speaker 1: like the names have insightly changed and it is extremely

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Speaker 1: inspired by this person's real life experience.

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Speaker 2: Suddenly thinly veiled novel. And when I say the names

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Speaker 1: They've barely been changed.

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Speaker 2: Of course, we are talking about.

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Speaker 1: You know him as mister J. Native director of America

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Speaker 1: Sex Top Model Mister J.

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Speaker 1: Men Uel and his book. This is the title of

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Speaker 1: The Wig, the Bitch and the meltdown, the wig the bitch,

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Speaker 2: actually being so Keisha right now.

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Speaker 1: So this book is all about a young, sexy, biracial

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Speaker 1: adoptee named Pablo Michaels who lives in a tiny apartment

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Speaker 1: in Midtown and gets whisked away at Mercedes Benz Fashion

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Speaker 2: So Pablo works as a Michael Course fashion producer and

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Speaker 1: And he keeps just being like, yeah, she was thirty

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Speaker 2: She was downing ribs, she does rips. So this book

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Speaker 2: is it's madness, how thinly veiled it is.

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Speaker 1: What's crazy about this book, though, is it takes place

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Speaker 2: That was the craziest reveal where basically like when Keisha

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Speaker 2: Cash pitches to Pablo that they should have a show

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Speaker 1: He's like, Babe, that's just an America sext some model. She's like, no,

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Speaker 1: this time it's going to be different.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be totally different. And in this kind

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Speaker 2: of crazy universe, it's revealed that Pablo has a mentor

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Speaker 2: and his mentor is j Manuel.

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Speaker 1: Like later book, it just gets so mad and there's

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Speaker 1: j Manuel was like so sexy. He was the hottest mentor.

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Speaker 1: Like I love my mentor.

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Speaker 2: Let's break down. I feel like, break down the characters

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Speaker 2: and what their names are, just.

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Speaker 1: To Yeah, there's there's a Janice Dickinson known as Sasha,

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Speaker 1: Sasha Berenson, Jane Sickens and Sasha Baronson, and Sasha Benson

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Speaker 1: I'm just like so it is two thousand and nine,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So the one part of this novel that's not

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Speaker 4: Okay, this is so like the book I would write

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Speaker 2: What I mean, Like you're a genius nine year old

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Speaker 2: if you're being like, what's a job, what's a weird job?

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Speaker 2: Or eating like the first time that Jay Sorry, Pablo

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Speaker 1: Okay, wait, this part's of the same. Okay, Keisha squilled

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Speaker 1: Of it all in. Yes, she was now behind and

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Speaker 2: I love? And this is like how like Jay places

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Speaker 1: Was like a weird, like racist, yeah, like joke that's

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Speaker 2: Basically what happened is clearly, you know, I think Jay

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Speaker 1: Flowers, because what he says in the book is that

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Speaker 2: And it was always like I'm in my hell's kitchen apartment.

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Speaker 2: I had to come up with all these like decks

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Speaker 2: to pitch, like you know, or you know, goes home

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Speaker 2: So in life, Jay was like, I'm gonna quit at

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Speaker 1: And then there's this quote where he was like, We've

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Speaker 2: There was something that was like Tyro like isn't happy

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Speaker 1: I'm so confused why it didn't because I feel like

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Speaker 2: feel like people started like rewatching, Yes, But I do

437
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 2: feel like right now there's always like I think, just

438
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:50,119
Speaker 2: like different gays that start watching it every year. Yes, sorry,

439
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 2: it's a cycle.

440
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 1: It's literally a cycle, and like new generations are discovering

441
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 1: the magic, the aggon the ecstasy of Top Model.

442
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,399
Speaker 2: And you know, so of course, you know, when the

443
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 2: gen z started watching it, they got upset about a

444
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 2: few episodes like well, this actually didn't even happen on

445
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 2: Top Model, but the best episode ever of the tyber

446
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 2: Banks Show, and she pretended to be homeless.

447
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and yeah, and they've pulled the race swapping

448
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 1: episode they've pulled. Is there any others that they've pulled?

449
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,919
Speaker 2: And peop don't think so, but.

450
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 1: But did they also do that on multiple cycles? Probably anyway,

451
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 1: But yeah, and then so they're all being like, oh,

452
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 1: it's so problematic and she's like so abusive to all

453
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 1: the girls, and of course, and like you know, what

454
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 1: we see in this book is that like it is

455
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 1: such like abusive working conditions. But of course that's what

456
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 1: produced such a.

457
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,239
Speaker 2: Such amazing television. I mean, if we can just go

458
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 2: back Storry TBT. You called me, I think we were sixteen,

459
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 2: and you were like, this amazing show just came out

460
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:51,919
Speaker 2: and you had just watched the first episode, and you

461
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 2: came over and we rewatched the first episode. Yes, and

462
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 2: I remember it's just like jaw on the floor. I

463
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 2: had never seen something like that. I mean was of

464
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 2: course we've done Jennis Dickinson's book, we've talked about Top Model,

465
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 2: but I mean the best reality show in the entire world.

466
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 1: No, it was crazy. It was Manna from Heaven and.

467
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 2: Survivor had just come out, so it was like early contest.

468
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there weren't all the other competition shows yet,

469
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 1: and like the girls were so real, so.

470
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 2: Real, and I think like Queer Eye probably had just

471
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 2: come out, but it was like you were really seeing

472
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 2: like fags on.

473
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 1: Evs, like you see mister and missus. J was like,

474
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sorry, Like Tyra exploded the world with

475
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 1: that show, and she absolutely changed the course of human culture.

476
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 2: Literally she changed humanity.

477
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: And you know, like my friend Eric's I was saying this,

478
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 1: but like RuPaul.

479
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,160
Speaker 2: Like took everything from Top.

480
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: Everything from Top Model.

481
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 2: I mean, let's think for your life, what about Like

482
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 2: remember first season, they have to like swim with sharks,

483
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 2: they have to dance with cheetahs, like they all have

484
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 2: to shave their heads like they have to put scales

485
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 2: on themselves, like they have to like fly off the

486
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 2: Empire's date thing, just like it's incredible.

487
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: So in this book, there's the scene where they all

488
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 1: have a different animal and then Adriana faints and Jay

489
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 1: suggest sorry, Pablo suggests that maybe Adriana's fainting was fake,

490
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: fucking fake, And of course, if we all remember back

491
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: to cycle one, Adrian faints in the like snake episode

492
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: or whatever, Yeah, and perhaps.

493
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 2: That maybe was fake. And if you guys are an

494
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 2: up to date with quote unquote Adriana aka Adrian Curry,

495
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 2: she won Top Model, then she had a show where

496
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 2: she because she married Greg Brady. Then she left Hollywood

497
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 2: and became the most back to the land insane trumper.

498
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 2: Like follow her on Twitter.

499
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 1: She is so so hilarious and I find because she's

500
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 1: also always selling like a weird and a and she's

501
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 1: just an avon lady who like lives in Arizona and

502
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: Montana and has big strong suspects.

503
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 2: And like the twitch stream all day and are so

504
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 2: video game because like her whole thing was that, like

505
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 2: she was from Juliet, Illinois and was like, fucking men,

506
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 2: I'm a nerd man, wait what did she say?

507
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 1: Once?

508
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 2: I remember she was in the cab and she was like, man,

509
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 2: I just won't go want to go home and listen

510
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 2: to fucking heavy metal.

511
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: And so like she and Elise were like friends because

512
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: like they were alt.

513
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 2: Even though Elise was like a kind of person, I

514
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 2: felt like, I guess I'm still gonna aligne with her

515
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 2: because like we're both Indie.

516
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 1: Because like when everyone else is like fully Christian.

517
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 2: Because then it came down to write Adrian and Shannon.

518
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 1: Yes, and Alis was number three. But one of the

519
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: kind of main I would say revelations of this book

520
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: is that there's always what he calls a ringer, which

521
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: is a girl who's basically picked by Tyra to win

522
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: each cycle, like very early on, basically at the beginning

523
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 1: of each cycle, and that she is just pulling the

524
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 1: strings to make sure that that girl ends up in

525
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,719
Speaker 1: the final two and then wins, and all the other

526
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 1: judge's critiques are just kind of like superfluous, and there's

527
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: basically someone who's supposed to win. And look back at

528
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: the seasons and I'm sorry, it makes so much sense,

529
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: like there are some seasons where we all know, wait,

530
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: you know that there was someone who like got kicked off.

531
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: I feel like it's often the girl I think who

532
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: like should have won gets kicked off.

533
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,959
Speaker 2: Like four six yeah, and everyone's like wait what, But

534
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 2: she was like the most she was.

535
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: The most high fashion. Her photos were the best, and

536
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: like somehow like she's gone.

537
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 2: There was this whole thing that like, I feel like

538
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 2: top model like brought to just us the public. Tyra

539
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 2: was like you're either high fashion or not high fashion.

540
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 2: And there were so many girls that came in and

541
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 2: were catalog I know, and it gave us a language

542
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 2: to like define sorry, women's bodies.

543
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: That we need that we does really need to talk

544
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: about women and your high.

545
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 2: Fashion in your catalog. And like at least like all

546
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 2: these girls who were catalog, like were so confused by

547
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 2: these high fashion girlies who are a little more fucked up,

548
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 2: looking like.

549
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: Winning more like angular and weird, and.

550
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 2: Like one girl in this is like she's gonna pick

551
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 2: you because you're ugly or something.

552
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: Okay, just going through the seasons if we may, Yeah,

553
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: let's go through the seasons. Because do you think should

554
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: have won the first season? Elise?

555
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 2: I mean put that on my gravestone. Alise should have

556
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 2: won the first season.

557
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: Okay, what about season two? Do you think it should

558
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: have been because that was Mercedes? No Joanna one?

559
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 2: Oh, I agree, I think Johanna should have won. I

560
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 2: like always had a crush on her.

561
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 1: Because Janna Stickinson thought Mercedes should have won.

562
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just thought Joanna did have such a kind

563
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 2: of high fashion face.

564
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: I know, but looking at her now and like how

565
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: basic in like Australian she's gotten, I'm a little just

566
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: like maybe it shouldn't have been her. Okay, I kind

567
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: of think it should have been April, the Asian girl

568
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: with really chic with the bangs.

569
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 2: Yes, with the ban she was really chic, she was

570
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 2: really fab.

571
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 1: Okay, I kind of think it should have been her.

572
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: Season three, Oh that was Eva.

573
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 2: I mean I love Eva and she's kind of happy.

574
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, should have been yeah, yeah, no question And yeah

575
00:30:58,320 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: went on to become the most successful.

576
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's been in like ten seasons of Chicago Fire.

577
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: And we celebrate, Yeah.

578
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 2: We celebrate her. I mean never forget yeah, yah saying

579
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 2: respect in Portuguese respect.

580
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: Do you remember Jenna from like season seven or eight

581
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: or nine or something whatever it was? There was the

582
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: one that Celicia won.

583
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 2: I don't remember.

584
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: Jenna had an incredible portfolio. Her face was so high fashion.

585
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: Jenna du set look her up. She was incredible. And

586
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: then Celicia, it turns out, had known Tyra previously and

587
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 1: done like Tyra's modeling girls or whatever.

588
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 2: Oh my god, this girl was such a random was

589
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 2: like no, no, Jenna.

590
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: And it's set and Jenna do set like totally slay own.

591
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 2: Oh notes, but I wonder where she is now and

592
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 2: she was five eleven, she.

593
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: Like couldn't have been more model, And it's like, this

594
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: is why I think j Manuel's revelation that there's a

595
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: ringer each season was completely correct.

596
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 2: So one of like the big plot points in this

597
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 2: book is basically kind of a fictionalized version of though

598
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:10,239
Speaker 2: we were all rooting for you scene and let's all

599
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 2: go to our pages.

600
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: Oka. Wait, so in this version, instead of Tiffany or Brittany,

601
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: Tiffany this is her name in the real and the

602
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: real show. So instead it's this Irish codet with long

603
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: red hair that Tyra forced to cut the hair so

604
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: she could not win so she would look bad and

605
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 1: like shaved her head like later in the season.

606
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 2: Which, by the way, like I think that's what Alta

607
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 2: was so insane about NTM like it just like made

608
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 2: girls do these crazy things. And even though Jay Pablo

609
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 2: is shaking his head on set being like, they're not

610
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 2: actually gonna shave her beautiful red hair.

611
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: Okay, wait and you do. You be Keisha and I'll

612
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: be Nicole with an h because she's Irish.

613
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 2: Nicole, I challenge you with your new cash branded look,

614
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 2: but by the disturbed expression on your face, I don't

615
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 2: think you handled it well. Nicole smiled and interrupted the star.

616
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: Actually, I'm extremely proud to rock my bald head.

617
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 2: Because she paused for a moment swallowed me.

618
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: Mum fought a long and painful battle with breast cancer.

619
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 2: Droplets of tears formed along her lower lash line.

620
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: Listening to what Youja said reminded me of a true

621
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: inner strength and integrity that my mother instilled in me.

622
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 2: Keisha tried to cut the teared medal off. Oh that's sweet,

623
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 2: and Nicole cut a second time.

624
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: Having my long red hair shaved off gives me a

625
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: far more noble cause than your TV eighteings. Bald is

626
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: beautiful will be my new identifier, my brand. So I

627
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: thank you for freeing me from wanting to model myself

628
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: after you.

629
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 2: Nicole's smile was radiant, victorious, lethal. Pablo's body levitated into

630
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 2: the air. The judges, everyone, even Joe Vong was gobsmacked.

631
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 2: No one could believe that a model contestant was actually

632
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 2: standing up to Keisha and calling her out on camera.

633
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 2: It was a bit like watching this giant cyclone building

634
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 2: on stage. There was a reason her brother used to

635
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 2: call her column. Keisha's eyes bugged so far off her

636
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 2: head that she looked like she was about to blow

637
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 2: her lip. Literally.

638
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,399
Speaker 1: I loved him just being like such a crazy bitch. Yeah,

639
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: he's always There's a reason Tyr is like such a

640
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: fucking nasty, disgusting.

641
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:25,280
Speaker 2: Even her brother thinks she's a swamp, ugly bitch.

642
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: Her bug eyes. Okay, I'll be the narrator now over

643
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: the headsets, Pablo could hear the low pitched rumble of

644
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: Keisha's don't fuck with me, demonic possession voice.

645
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 2: Do you know what? Do you know where I've come from,

646
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 2: what I've gone through? Oh do you think you are?

647
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: I'm a proud bald woman who's going to raise prest

648
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: comes her awareness and raise money to stop this awful disease.

649
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: Nicole's eyes blazed with defiance. Brilliant Harper accidentally chirped out loud.

650
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: Pablo had never seen Keisha like this, but the scene

651
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: felt like deja vu. This would undoubtedly haunt her for

652
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: the rest of her career. Stop talking, Keisha screamed.

653
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 2: What I speak to you? You listen? Everybody listen.

654
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: The shouting woke Sasha up. This is Jennis Dickerson. She

655
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 1: swoveled her head towards mess thing. What's going on?

656
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 2: Meltdown?

657
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: Alert like a gunslinger. Sasha reached between her recently plumped breath,

658
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: pulled out her iPhone from her comatose vantage point aimed.

659
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 2: How dare you challenge me? You are nothing before you

660
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,879
Speaker 2: came here. You think you're better than all the other

661
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 2: girls who felt like hell to get here. You're nothing,

662
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 2: no one, and you're done. You can leave now, go

663
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 2: back to Grandma's house and sleep on that radiass mattress

664
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 2: with your brother Davy and his club foot.

665
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 1: Well did I? Keisha pointed Nicole's body, with you look

666
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: at this.

667
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 2: This is gonna last. Men are gonna tire of you

668
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,439
Speaker 2: and find the next hot young thing. Designers will turn

669
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 2: on you too. Everyone will leave you in the end, everyone.

670
00:35:54,840 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, be quiet, And that was it. That

671
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 1: was the scene. You guys all remember.

672
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 2: We all rooted for you, but Jay makes it not

673
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,439
Speaker 2: even we all rooted for you because there was some

674
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 2: kindness in Tyra's true freak out.

675
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think the thing about Tyra's true freakout

676
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: that it was also more like she's like, I'm supporting

677
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: this young black girl, yes, who's like coming up from poverty,

678
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 1: and I'm rescuing her, but I also like know what

679
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: it's like and like cause you know, a huge part

680
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: of like Tyra's whole thing was like telling black girls

681
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 1: that they needed to like you know, I mean, remember

682
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 1: what's her name who? She was like, you need to

683
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 1: close your gap, which was actually the worst advice ever

684
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 1: is her gap? God, because she was kind of thinking

685
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,760
Speaker 1: of it that's like, oh, you're like too black.

686
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 2: I mean like you need to play the game like

687
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 2: I did basically and like for Victoria's privacy.

688
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 1: And was always telling her that her like voice was

689
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: too country and she needed to like be like more

690
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: elocution and like sound more white and then like have

691
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: her teeth like not.

692
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 2: Because but then here's something on Momimia dot Com Australia

693
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 2: that says, when Tyra banks, why didn't it contestant?

694
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, what's funny is because then Tyra later realized that.

695
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,760
Speaker 2: Danielle Danielle needed to get the gap fixed.

696
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, and now we have daniel Evans brigs her house

697
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: and we start as a clip of Tyra Beks holding

698
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 1: her to have her teeth cut, closing and market blah

699
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: blah blah. Anyway, so we all remember that, but like

700
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 1: that was this huge thing. And so what Jamie Nouel

701
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 1: is kind of he does criticize the Tyra character like

702
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: somewhat for being like, you know, very hypocritical and her

703
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: like kind of savior.

704
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 2: Role towards young well you know, he does it mostly

705
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 2: when he basically roast her for writing Model Land.

706
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,280
Speaker 1: Yes, which is Tyra's shitty novel.

707
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 2: Right, And so there comes upon the book Plagiarize, right,

708
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 2: where like Tyra is always tip tapping, He's always like,

709
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 2: she's always two thumbs deep. And then it's like he

710
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 2: quotes miss Thang is going maybe this beacons she is not.

711
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: But she writes this can't type.

712
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 2: So she writes this sci fi novel called Planet Fearce

713
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 2: that's like a one hundred pages and then there's a

714
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 2: fake review in it where they're like, it's not that

715
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 2: it's cliche. It's not that it's like stupid, it's that

716
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 2: like they make it like all the characters are still

717
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 2: so stereotypical.

718
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 1: But you know it's interesting because he also has this

719
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 1: thing where he's seeing that Tyra is like completely cynical

720
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 1: in her choices of who the ringer is, and she's like,

721
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: I view these girls stories as only useful in so

722
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: far as it like plays with the audience, and so

723
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: like we' of course always want there to be the

724
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: ugly duckling into the swan. We want to like take

725
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: the poor black girl and then like make her like

726
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,399
Speaker 1: successful and palatable. We want to like have the first

727
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 1: plus size model, but only like because we can say

728
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 1: we had the first plus size model.

729
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 2: This is the I feel like, the most kind of

730
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 2: like scarring part to Tyra's personality. In the fake review

731
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 2: of Model Land, it says, if there is to be

732
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 2: any redeeming quality of missus Cash's hulking wreck of literary debut,

733
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 2: it's that her exidential crisis serves as a wonderful psychological

734
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 2: case study for explaining theories of internalized racism. Perhaps this

735
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 2: is the greatest literary contribution Planet Fears could make.

736
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 1: Wait, this part of is amazing. So you're just reading

737
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: from this on it's there's a fake review and it's

738
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: like a different fond and everything.

739
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 2: They laid out like a newspaper and everything.

740
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 1: The writing is much better in this fake review, and

741
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: it's kind of interesting that Jamanuel managed to like get this.

742
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 2: So when they were mentioning like Octavia Butler and you're

743
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,399
Speaker 2: kind of like, who did he call on to write?

744
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: Now, well, there are references. He does say his favorite

745
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: movie is The Matrix. Like he is he is very.

746
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 2: Sci fi because he's silver haired, and like the whole

747
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 2: end of the book is him being like I should

748
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 2: have taken the blue pill, but the red pill is

749
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 2: going on antim let's make that meme.

750
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: And like later he says that his dream was to

751
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: be in an ethnically diverse Dan Brown novel. Right, He's

752
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: like he seen together the like ransom note of the

753
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: Blood from the Mom and.

754
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 2: He actually he mentions Dan Brown a lot because it's

755
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 2: like the mom in prison has like the is like

756
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,879
Speaker 2: a big mom in prison who helps out Tyger's mom

757
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 2: and it's like she had an amazing cell. It was

758
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 2: full of Michael Connolly and Dan Brown novels.

759
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:12,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, so mama likes to read. He's a readist, he's

760
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 1: a sci fi nerd. So maybe he did write the

761
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: fake review, but that it's interesting that the rest of

762
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: the book is written in so like Babysitters Club, ass

763
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 1: like there are.

764
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 2: Some type of ice cream flavors for Red Store Bay

765
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 2: and like the back of the book. The printing is

766
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 2: so close to the edge of the.

767
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: Cover getting closer and closer. Okay, I do want to

768
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: talk about the Nigel Barker. It was a sex scene,

769
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 1: so there is a me too scene in here or.

770
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 2: And the phrase me too is mentioned so much in

771
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 2: this book, right, They're always like, we have a me

772
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 2: too on our hands. Fuck, we have a me too?

773
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: Okay, wait do you want to do yeah? Okay, so

774
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: actually started ninety seven. All right, do you want to

775
00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: be Mason Hughes or do you want to be Papla?

776
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,919
Speaker 2: I want to be Mason Hughes. Okay, you should model

777
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 2: BVDS mate.

778
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 1: Mason leaned on the door jam and if Pablo had

779
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: no manner, he swear he was checking him out. Are

780
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 1: all Britt's metrosexuals pretty much? Mason shrode into the room

781
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: and looked around.

782
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 2: Dion said there was wardrobe to try on. Looks like

783
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 2: there's more than a wardrobe.

784
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: Pablo felt so much Shyle of a sudden, Why haven't we.

785
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 2: Talked about doing a test shoot with you yet?

786
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: Mason framed his face, looking through his hands like they

787
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: were camera lens, and made some mock shots of Pablo's

788
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 1: nearly naked body.

789
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,280
Speaker 2: I'm positive we could create magic together. Wrap that body

790
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 2: in my seductive.

791
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:41,720
Speaker 1: Light, corny British humor, extreme close up. Mason moved in close.

792
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: Now Pablo could smell his easily recognizable extreme noir tom

793
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: Ford cologne. He did a little voguing, twisting his shoulders,

794
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:54,760
Speaker 1: his hips, all in good fun. Suddenly, Mason slapped Pablo's

795
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 1: nipples like they were frat boys and grabbed his ass. Hey.

796
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 1: Pablo turned away. Mason raised an eyebrow as if to say,

797
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: you game was he? Mason was handsome, sexy, straight, a

798
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: strange attachment between the president and the pass kipp across

799
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,439
Speaker 1: Pablo's mind. Half of him was still the ugly, awkward kid.

800
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: The biracial boy in a sea of white faces. Don't

801
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: let them get you down, his mother used to tell him,

802
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 1: while wiping the tears from his eyes. You are more

803
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: than you're outside. They just can't see beyond their own

804
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 1: skin and narrow minds. You've got to be better than

805
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: him and show them that you're there equal. Papa could

806
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: hear voices if it were yesterday. Like a predator about

807
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: to pounce on his prey, Mason moved closer.

808
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 2: No one has to know know what.

809
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: Pablo was confused. Mason grabbed Paula by the chest and

810
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 1: threw him to the floor, and, like a seasoned initiator,

811
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: dropped his own pants all in one quick gesture. What

812
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 1: are you doing? Pablo pushed back.

813
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 2: Oh, don't be a cock tees. You've been coming on

814
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 2: to me for months.

815
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: Mason slammed his hard body on top of him and

816
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: thrust his tongue down Pablo's throat. His saliva tasted sweet,

817
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: but Pablo was still disgusted. I know how your people

818
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: like it in a Boa construction. They rolled across the

819
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,240
Speaker 1: wardrobe and Mason's legs snapped on Paplo's You make.

820
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 2: Me so hord, yeahs.

821
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: A drust was against Papula's Mason try humpt and heaved

822
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 1: a hard and ribbed direction across the trapped creative director. Sorry,

823
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: keeping a ribb direction across the trapped creative director.

824
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,359
Speaker 2: Pablo forced himself to relax. Mason eased his grip on him.

825
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 2: That's how he likes.

826
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: Bubblo punched him, slam, Get off me. He's campered to

827
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 1: his feet, you arrogant fuck what Mason was a god?

828
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,399
Speaker 1: Paplo grabbed his clothes and bolted for the door. Why

829
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: don't you go on porn hub and jerk off. He

830
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 1: exited the dressing room and roared behind him, Patriet, go

831
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: fuck yourself.

832
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 2: Okay, so this is okay, this is the wild. This

833
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:52,439
Speaker 2: is the most fantasy that you know. Jay obviously thought

834
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 2: Nigel was so hot, and that was the thing of it.

835
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 2: Nigel was so hot, but he was married.

836
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,080
Speaker 1: I just don't think Nigel ever, I means.

837
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 2: Think Nigel Boka like came on to Jay and was like,

838
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 2: don't your people like it like that?

839
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: I knows.

840
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 2: And then but this scene in the book is just

841
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 2: a way again to show how like fucked up Tyra

842
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 2: is because after it, Jay slash Pabla goes over to

843
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 2: Keisha's house for Mordal Delche and ribs and to watch

844
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 2: a Judy Garland movie and tells her about it. It is crying,

845
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 2: and Tyra's basically just like, don't say anything. You should

846
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 2: be happy he hit on you, Okay, this hot British guy.

847
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 2: It was like you're not a woman. It's also like yeah,

848
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 2: and he's trying to be like, oh he said your

849
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 2: people like and made it like this like oh well

850
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 2: I'm this like straight guy yeah, and like you're just

851
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 2: this little fagot.

852
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: But then it becomes this other like running point where

853
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 1: then Miss Thing keep making fun of Nigel, insinuating that

854
00:44:56,360 --> 00:45:00,720
Speaker 1: his wife is trail. Yeah, this is surgery, not that convinsed.

855
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 2: And Miss Thing is always just like I've been seeing

856
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 2: her yoga videos, like she looks like a man. And

857
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 2: at one point a Miss Thing sends a picture of

858
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 2: his dick to mister J.

859
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then mister j is like, I'm going to

860
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: put your dick pic like all over social media. Also

861
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: like this other racist joke that Miss Thing is making

862
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: about Nigel's wife, right, is there something you're not telling

863
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: us about? Suck Deep, the model coach interrupted. She don't

864
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: pass to a trained eye like mine, and ps, she

865
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: may want to stay out of harsh daylight hashtag just

866
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 1: saying he's.

867
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, actually everyone on set was racist.

868
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 1: Everyone was like really really continue abusive.

869
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 2: But me, I'm just kind of.

870
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: Anas Dickinson, who seems like the nicest person.

871
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 2: Right, which is probably true, not.

872
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: Being mean to anyone. No, I do believe that because

873
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: it's like she's harsh in her critiques because she's fabulous and.

874
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 2: She's an actual model, so she's probably just been like, yah,

875
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 2: star for yourself and just model ways. But like wasn't

876
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,760
Speaker 2: backstabbing and so crazy and the Tyra way.

877
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 1: No, because all the rest of them were just like

878
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:05,959
Speaker 1: literally being evil to each other and like not showing

879
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: up and said, and you're quing completely I'm professional where

880
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: it's like, yes, Jane's maybe passing out because she's wait,

881
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: she's there, there.

882
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 2: She was there the whole time. Yeah, at the end

883
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 2: of the day, like I love mister J and I

884
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 2: love Tyra, and mister J like obviously contributed, so no.

885
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: I and I'm sure your top model, and I'm sure

886
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: that his grievance is largely found in the fact that

887
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: he was not like pain enough. He wasn't respected enough

888
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,439
Speaker 1: for the amount of work he was doing to make

889
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: that show good, like on to make it.

890
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,320
Speaker 2: What it was, because I remember like watching that in

891
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 2: high school and I was like, wait, I want I

892
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 2: was like whatever, mister Jay's job is, I want it,

893
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 2: and like, yeah, do I create photo shoots for my

894
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 2: own damn self?

895
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: Now? Yeah? Period. So in a way, yes, but isn't

896
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: Tyra's insanity why the show is good?

897
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 2: But then also he kind of is a little bit

898
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 2: of a hypocrite because when talking about the kind of

899
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 2: the controversial, unwoke episodes of Top Model, well, all decisions

900
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, we're Ken malk and

901
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 2: Tyra oh.

902
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: In the variety, Yeah, in the variety, Oh yeah, No,

903
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 1: he is like suddenly being so like I'm going to

904
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: do it's politically trendy and throw them under the bus.

905
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 2: But then he's kind of saying like, well, all my

906
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 2: amazing ideas for the photo shoots were me.

907
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, so look, I'm.

908
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 2: Sure everyone was a huge bitch except for Janas. Yeah,

909
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 2: I'm like the nicest person alive Jannis, And I just

910
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 2: think probably like Tyra did like make j come over

911
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 2: for ice cream, and made him feel like they were BFFs,

912
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 2: and then when he left, she was just kind of

913
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 2: like you're dead to me.

914
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 1: I remember reading it in every once with her or

915
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: like a profile of her in the Times or something,

916
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: and it was about how she had IBS and it

917
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 1: was like she had these assistants and like it was

918
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 1: like she was like kept like sitting up and then

919
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,399
Speaker 1: like sitting down again and was like wearing a big

920
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: white belt and like one of the assistants just goes,

921
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 1: is it ibs? And like even in the article, I

922
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: was like, Oh this assistants like so scared, like you

923
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: can tell, and like she's.

924
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 2: I mean the gut rules all yeah, if something ain't right,

925
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:03,439
Speaker 2: you're gonna lash out.

926
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. And it's funny that he didn't give the character

927
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: IBS in this book because maybe he thought that would

928
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 1: be like too many.

929
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 2: I think. So he's just gonna make it like, oh,

930
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 2: look she's downing a rib and I'm gonna send this

931
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 2: photo of her eating ribs to Miss Things, but then

932
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 2: goes through Miss Thing's phone in the book and deletes

933
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 2: the photo to show like, oh look how nice I

934
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 2: am I delete the photo of like reading the ribs.

935
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: Also just about him putting out fires, yes, constantly, just

936
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: about like how a gay guy has to put out fires.

937
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 2: And like there's a moment of the book where he

938
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 2: gets like a like Golden Globes runway job with Heidi

939
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,439
Speaker 2: Klum and finally gets like a better inner ear mic

940
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:44,399
Speaker 2: where he hears more going on.

941
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 1: And then well because she refuses to have an inner

942
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 1: ear mic because she doesn't want all these voices in

943
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 1: her head control. Yes, but he actually loves like knowing

944
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:54,800
Speaker 1: what's going.

945
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 2: On, hearing everything.

946
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 1: Okay. Also later in the book when he just quotes

947
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 1: more endowed randomly, No, I mean again, I was like,

948
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: you are an insane Like.

949
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 2: Well, I wonder, okay, do you think though this part

950
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 2: is that's very Octavia Butler truth or fiction. The basic

951
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 2: culmination of this book is that Tyra promises.

952
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 1: Oh hay, I'm a talk show together, and then she

953
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 1: gets it just by herself.

954
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 2: And he hears on the mic her being.

955
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:23,760
Speaker 1: Like somewhere in between.

956
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 2: Right where it's like, I don't think it was going

957
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 2: to be the Tyra and Jay show. Maybe it was

958
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 2: like he was gonna have a segment or something like that,

959
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:31,240
Speaker 2: and something happened.

960
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: I'm sure there were conversations where she was not promising anything,

961
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:39,879
Speaker 1: but he interpreted it as more of a promise than

962
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 1: it was. And she was like, oh, I'm thinking of

963
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 1: a talk show, and she didn't say my talk show,

964
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 1: but she didn't say our talk show, and then he

965
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:49,399
Speaker 1: interpreted that as like, we're going to have a talk show.

966
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:51,840
Speaker 1: And then you know, conversations came and maybe.

967
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 2: She made a joke like oh my god, and like

968
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,399
Speaker 2: you're so great on camera and Evere loves you. Now

969
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 2: maybe you can do a B and C.

970
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 1: Maybe she's a will work it all out. But I

971
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 1: doubt that she promised him the Tyrat And.

972
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,879
Speaker 2: I don't think ABC because or it was like on

973
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 2: ABC or CW.

974
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: Was on Yeah UPN and then c W.

975
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 2: I don't think they were going to ever have the Tyra.

976
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 1: And J Show because America wasn't ready for a gig

977
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: guy co hosting a show.

978
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 2: But it's also it's just Tyre Max. It's gonna be

979
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 2: called it the Tyre MAXs Show.

980
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 1: It's funny also that he like is coming around the

981
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: same time as Stephen Cochocaru and was one of the

982
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 1: first gays on TV, like a real fag, And it.

983
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 2: Goes to what Kocho has told us that everyone was like,

984
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 2: so like, we can't handle what a faggot you are.

985
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 1: Kind of kind of yeah, yeah.

986
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 2: Like miss Jay and I think mister j was always

987
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 2: like I'm gonna be a little mask right, silver hair

988
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 2: and kind of be the more controlled gay guy of

989
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 2: the show.

990
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, controlled gay guy with an up silver contact. But

991
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,240
Speaker 1: see then I'm like he is like kind of uptight

992
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: and maybe he would have freaked out if Nigel like

993
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:56,839
Speaker 1: came on to him.

994
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, he does seem a little up tight and like

995
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 2: he never looked hooks up in the book.

996
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting and.

997
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 2: He mentions like, oh, maybe like some of the lucky

998
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 2: people like in our three week break can have sex.

999
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 1: Because I'm sure also random contestants on the show were

1000
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 1: fucking producers.

1001
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 2: And the camera, which is another thing yes.

1002
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 1: That happens in the book. And it's like, I'm sure

1003
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:18,760
Speaker 1: he's looking at this girls being like, damn, I'm jealous

1004
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 1: of the fight that.

1005
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 2: You're wish at the time. But here I am eating

1006
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 2: ice cream.

1007
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: With Tyra, with Tyra be four in the morning while

1008
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: I'm like going over all the creative for this photo

1009
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: shoot and she's not doing any of the.

1010
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 2: Work, and then she's going in fucking a football player.

1011
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 2: I still have to go through spreadsheets with Ken Mob. Ultimately,

1012
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 2: the rule is, you can't believe anyone in Hold.

1013
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: Don't believe anyone in Hollywood. You can't make an omelet

1014
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: without breaking a few eggs. And no, you're not gonna

1015
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: make one of the best reality shows of all time.

1016
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 2: Without stepping on fucking tails.

1017
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 1: Okay, and like causing a lot of trauma.

1018
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 2: Because Pablo even gets in a fight with himself aka

1019
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 2: j Manuel in the book, and that's the real lesson.

1020
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 2: You get in a fight with your inner men tour

1021
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 2: actually trust no one. Okay. Everyone is like, so fucking shady.

1022
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 1: America's next top segments, What does she eat?

1023
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 2: What does she wear? How does she live? Wait, I

1024
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 2: have to read.

1025
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 1: A passage about how does she live? About the apartment?

1026
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 2: About the apartment.

1027
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this passage is pretty probably accurate to

1028
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 1: his personal style.

1029
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 2: Well, and in this it's very like Pablo spent hours

1030
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 2: designing his new apartment. Coming through the front door, Pablo

1031
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 2: wanted his guest eyes to be drawn to the ultimate

1032
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,839
Speaker 2: focal wall opposite his bedroom. At first glance, it looked

1033
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 2: like an architectural detail, but it concealed the components in

1034
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 2: his bank Ulson home theater system, which revealed the press

1035
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,839
Speaker 2: of a button or a request from Siri. In front

1036
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 2: of that was a light gray Minotti sectional sofa and

1037
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:59,720
Speaker 2: one of his last famous script rugs, with illeligible black

1038
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 2: writing scribbled across the white fabric. A white lacquer desktop

1039
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 2: appeared to be floating in space above clear loosite legs

1040
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 2: that had been fashioned to look like cut crystal stemmed

1041
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 2: champagne glasses. He'd actually splurged on having a custom made

1042
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 2: Eames executive chair created for his desk, white, of course,

1043
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:21,240
Speaker 2: like the clean palette of a painter. Pablo had created

1044
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 2: a modern neoclassical vibe to help him keep a clear

1045
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,319
Speaker 2: mind when he wasn't on the chaotic set of Model Muse.

1046
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 2: So it's just so gay, and it's like everything is

1047
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:34,760
Speaker 2: like white and loosit and like modern and metal and

1048
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 2: like a white Eames chair. It's just like everything is

1049
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:41,919
Speaker 2: so just like Gay Guy twenty twelve, like white, clear and.

1050
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:45,359
Speaker 1: Modern modern modern rome.

1051
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 2: And there's like so much loos site and like floating

1052
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:52,720
Speaker 2: mirrors everywhere. I almost think his apartment is like cheesy

1053
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 2: yours than this, and this is his fantasy.

1054
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you think that he's like Big Audrey Hepburn.

1055
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 2: Like do you think it's like silver white, fake crystal

1056
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 2: Big Audrey Heppern like mirror chandelier and like maybe there

1057
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 2: is like a loosight desk for sure, with like a

1058
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:13,240
Speaker 2: white lacquer tabletop. And I think it's like a white

1059
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 2: leather sexual or bouclet. Now probably you.

1060
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 1: Don't think he's gotten into any like more textiles in

1061
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 1: the past few years.

1062
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,839
Speaker 2: Well, I think he likes MASONI pillows because he mentions those,

1063
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 2: So I think he does have pops of color.

1064
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: Okay, and pattern, pops of color and pattern exactly.

1065
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 2: But he's still like white, silver and matrix. What does

1066
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 2: he wear? He's always wearing just like the tightis like buttoned.

1067
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:36,720
Speaker 1: The way he dresses is like kind of how everyone

1068
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,479
Speaker 1: dresses to the club now, Like every gay guy looks

1069
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:42,319
Speaker 1: like j Manuel now where they're wearing like it's so

1070
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 1: like bearragone. It's so like I'm wearing a tight animal

1071
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:50,720
Speaker 1: print vest and then flared jeans like bootcut distressed jeans,

1072
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,320
Speaker 1: and I have dyed my hair and I have an earring.

1073
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 2: He's now like so much, even more silver in his hair.

1074
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: He just like wet with silver and like cause.

1075
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 2: First cycle it was like bleached blonde and then I

1076
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 2: got more and more silver. What does he eat? I

1077
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:09,320
Speaker 2: mean he probably can't even look at Joe's Shanghai now yeah,

1078
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 2: or de Lache, But I think he's just like Sushi Taie.

1079
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 1: It's also funny because it's like Tyra does have an

1080
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 1: ice cream company now, so like the whole ice cream

1081
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 1: part is very true.

1082
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:23,320
Speaker 2: Not to say the amount. He must fucking hate Tyra.

1083
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 2: It's crazy. The only thing he changed is make one

1084
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 2: girl irish and add in a sex scene for himself

1085
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 2: because he probably didn't like fuck for eight years anyway.

1086
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Speaker 2: I just think he's very like Sesame ginger dressing, but

1087
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 2: like he's buying.

1088
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 1: It from Annie's Annie's dressing.

1089
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, girls in the fridge, white.

1090
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 1: Snow because hello, he's so like Matrix Modern. He's not

1091
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: getting like bread and Circus asked like Cambridge mom dressing.

1092
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 2: I don't think he's going to like the Union Square

1093
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 2: Whole Foods right now and is grabbing a three sixty

1094
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 2: five Sesami ginger dressing.

1095
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 1: A Preta Mande loyalty card and that thing is worn out.

1096
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:07,959
Speaker 2: I think he is making like a salmon for him

1097
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 2: and like miss things sometimes.

1098
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 1: Or maybe he's like factor meals now.

1099
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 2: Oh, just delivery. I just don't you know if he

1100
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 2: can afford the factory meals right now. Like so I'm

1101
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:22,879
Speaker 2: saying she's grocery shopping. I like literally like Da Castino's.

1102
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 1: He's getting the pre mix, like mung bean salad. Yeah, okay, Chills,

1103
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:34,840
Speaker 1: who are you in the book? I honestly identified with

1104
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:36,799
Speaker 1: almost everyone in this book because I was like, wait,

1105
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:40,760
Speaker 1: I feel like Rachel Prod the like Xanax popping producer.

1106
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: I feel like Janis, who's just like a sleep. I

1107
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:46,720
Speaker 1: feel like Nigel, who's British. I feel Nigel.

1108
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 2: Sorry. The only person you're not in this book is.

1109
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 1: I feel like Tyra because she's like.

1110
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 2: You're Tyra Bean, Like, come over, I have flavors, but

1111
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 2: that are all to just.

1112
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:59,319
Speaker 1: Like go, yeah, come over, you need to leave.

1113
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:02,879
Speaker 2: You're always been like one of the dumplings. I love

1114
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 2: not that.

1115
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 1: Not that are you Jay, because like you are so

1116
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 1: like I went to fashion school and I dreamed of

1117
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 1: becoming a fashion designer and you're so f I T right.

1118
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 2: And I'm like working for Michael Cores, and I'm like,

1119
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 2: this is my one shot. Do you feel like I'm

1120
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 2: being so like.

1121
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 1: You do behind this?

1122
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 2: No? If you say, oh, you're so silly. Little do

1123
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 2: they know.

1124
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 1: I'm writing a podcast, writing podcast descriptions every week.

1125
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 2: And coming up with photoshoot ideas and like, I'm not adopted,

1126
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 2: but what if I was.

1127
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: No one will be surprised.

1128
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 2: The adoption storyline in this book. That's a reason to

1129
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 2: support Jay.

1130
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 1: Okay, you're Jay.

1131
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 2: You're Tyra. I think I'm also like miss d La

1132
00:57:55,760 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 2: renta stylist who I'm just like, girl, don't go there.

1133
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were Switzerland because he's so neutral and that

1134
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 1: is so you and you are like neutral in a war.

1135
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 2: And I'm kind of like getting the tea.

1136
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 1: But I'm like, don't I totally see Switzerland for you

1137
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 1: Switzerland and Tyra.

1138
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 2: But also you're Gemos. Thank you because you're actually Sweden.

1139
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 2: People think you're such a bitch, right, but you're actually

1140
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 2: just giving.

1141
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 1: Like no, it's like to criticism is bitchy, but like

1142
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:26,479
Speaker 1: as a human at.

1143
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 2: The end of the day, like picking someone up at

1144
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 2: the hospital, yes, and.

1145
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 1: You're not about taking care of my own loyalty is everything.

1146
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 2: To me in this industry. Okay, how do I it's

1147
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,919
Speaker 2: so crazy to write this book. On one hand, I'm

1148
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 2: like ten fierce catwalks out of ten, Like as a

1149
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 2: kind of piece of outsider art, it's so amazing. If

1150
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 2: I'm talking about fiction, fiction is not.

1151
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: So fiction is not literature. It is barely I I

1152
00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 1: do struggle with that and just the overall quality of it.

1153
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 1: But then I'm like, yes, as a piece of like

1154
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 1: mail art.

1155
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, like outsider mail art, like MoMA conceptual art from

1156
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 2: wordy dot com.

1157
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with it, and I'm obsessed that he just

1158
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 1: went forward and did it and was like, twenty twenty,

1159
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 1: I'm publishing this book that no one wants for some reason,

1160
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 1: even though it is it insane.

1161
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 2: Tell all, I just can't believe you went there and

1162
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 2: really tore Tyra a new one like this.

1163
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 1: I'm surprised that he didn't just write a memoir, but

1164
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 1: I guess it's like the legal issues of him too much,

1165
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 1: and he was like too afraid.

1166
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 2: May of us speak, and he is not well.

1167
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 1: I also feel like maybe on some level he's hoping

1168
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 1: for forgiveness, forgiveness from Tyra and he wants that relationship

1169
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 1: to be repaired in some way.

1170
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 2: He wants her to read it and be like, you're right,

1171
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 2: I was rude. I was a bit calm over. We're

1172
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 2: having literally movies Dulce delche. Yeah, all right, mister Jay, Congratulations.

1173
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 1: Thank you. You are one of the most important culture

1174
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 1: figures of the century.

1175
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 2: You are the winner.

1176
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 1: You are the winner of of America's next top podcast Best.

1177
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 1: My Daughter and Arms on the Runway is our fabulous producer,

1178
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 1: Darby Masters.

1179
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 2: This episode was supervised produced by none other than Miss

1180
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 2: Thing abou Zafar, work Bitch.

1181
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 1: And of course we have no one to thank but

1182
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 1: mister Thing. Our engineer Bahid Fraser.

1183
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 2: Our fierce executive producer is Christina Everett Mother.

1184
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 1: Our theme song was done by Fierce down in Dirty

1185
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 1: Divas Stephen Phillips Horst. He makes me strut down the

1186
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 1: sidewalk like the catwalk that it is.

1187
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 2: Artwork was done by a really sexy, sexy British artist

1188
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 2: I discovered when I was in Miami on a work

1189
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 2: trip with Teddy Blintz.

1190
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 1: I originally conceive this podcast in bed with Prologue projects

1191
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 1: eating ice Cream one night, Well, it was three in

1192
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 1: the morning, we were crying about boys, and we were like,

1193
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 1: wait a minute, we have to do it podcast about this. Ultimately,

1194
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 1: we have part of ways creatively, but I wish him

1195
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 1: the best in his future endeavors.