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Speaker 2: I gotta be honest with you, first of all, good morning,

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Speaker 2: Good morning. I got nothing from that game last night

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Speaker 2: in the NBA Finals that that that seemed like exactly

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Speaker 2: the way that game was gonna go. Yeah, and the

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Speaker 2: my mind completely focused on Game three. It was almost like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: we know what's gonna happen. All right, Oklahoma City is

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Speaker 2: series is going to be tied, and then we turn

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Speaker 2: our sights to Indiana for Game three and then we

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Speaker 2: figured it out from there.

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Speaker 3: That's what it felt, and I think that that's that's

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Speaker 3: the right approach. You knew that this was somewhat of

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Speaker 3: They responded, well, I didn't think that they would cover

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Speaker 4: What was it like ten and a half?

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Speaker 3: I believe it was eleven or eleven and a half

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Speaker 3: when I when I submitted my you know deal, it

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Speaker 3: said you know what, okay See will win. They will

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Speaker 3: hit the over the game, will hit the over on points,

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Speaker 3: which I believe it did, but I was I was

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Speaker 3: They bounced back. You know, Sga is a beast. He

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Speaker 3: does what he's going to do. It's a matter of

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Speaker 3: is he going to get you know, his help. You know,

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Speaker 3: Jay Williams contributed. Caruso showed up last night. He contributed,

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Speaker 3: and it wasn't just on the defense side. He gave

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Speaker 3: them points. But I think the tail of the tape. Honestly,

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Speaker 3: my takeaway from watching the game was if if OKC

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Speaker 3: can maintain that high level of defense where they just

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Speaker 3: make it totally uncomfortable for the Pacers to be able

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Speaker 3: It just it just didn't seem like the Pacers could

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Speaker 3: can can okay See continue to play defense at that

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Speaker 3: high of a level that it totally disrupted their entire

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Speaker 3: their entire flow of in fact, didn't allow Indiana to

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Speaker 3: really get into a real flow during the course of

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you can't breathe.

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Speaker 2: They just they suffocate you because no matter where you are,

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Speaker 2: they got somebody on the wing, they can get you.

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Speaker 2: They got some download they can get you. There's no

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Speaker 2: weakness defensively for them. And that's why they've been such

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Speaker 2: a pain in the ass for everybody all year. It's

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Speaker 2: why they won, you know, sixty eight games during the

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Speaker 2: course of the season. Was Yeah, SGA has been great,

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Speaker 2: giving up one hundred twenty one hundred and twenty five

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Speaker 2: He did speak afterwards. He talked about the difference in

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Speaker 2: how things feel in the NBA Finals as opposed to

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Speaker 5: The loss has hurt a little bit more, for sure,

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Speaker 5: And I've tried to just tell myself, like, like, as

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Speaker 5: the moment, are you, Absolutely, It's been amazing. It's been

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Speaker 4: It's been so fun.

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Speaker 5: And it's the best stage of basketball ever of all time,

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Speaker 5: and we get the opportunity to play in that.

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Speaker 4: And that's how I try to like view it. I

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Speaker 5: So just as much as I can enjoy it. But

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Speaker 3: Competitor far just a chill dude, just matter of fact,

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Speaker 3: You know you can tell he's in the moment and

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Speaker 4: Now, first one down. Now you're on the.

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Speaker 3: Largest stage, You're in the finals. You know a lot

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Speaker 3: You know, there are a lot of different players that

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Speaker 4: He's like all systems go right now.

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Speaker 3: like chet Chet had a really good game, good showing

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Speaker 2: Teach me to tell me chet Holmgren doesn't look like

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Speaker 3: Super strong for certain, he ain't he ain't built the

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Speaker 4: Would you would you.

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Speaker 4: And there's nothing wrong with that.

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Speaker 2: But stop trying to manufacture, well, who's the who's the

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Speaker 4: Like that's who.

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Speaker 2: Who's everybody is compared to any time of conversation comes.

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Speaker 3: Agree with the idea of yes, it's whenever you're talking greatness,

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Speaker 4: I don't get that from SGA. I don't get that

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Speaker 2: And with the NBA, all you hear about is Michael Jordan.

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Speaker 4: It's it's I happen to have a birthday in this

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Speaker 4: It's like.

438
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:53,200
Speaker 3: Locker room culture, like football facility culture. It's its own culture.

439
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,880
Speaker 3: And if you haven't lived in it and you haven't

440
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 3: been a part of it, then you can speak to

441
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 3: it as a fan if you want to, But in reality,

442
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 3: it's like, what are you really doing it for it

443
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 3: because you don't You'll never understand it unless you lived

444
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 3: in it.

445
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 2: It's I think people also get a little insecure about

446
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 2: that because that is one of the things I've talked

447
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 2: to Brady about.

448
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 4: This before to where.

449
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 2: Like there there should be a respect level to yeah,

450
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 2: you don't get it, you've never been there. Like I

451
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,160
Speaker 2: played high school, for I know what a high school

452
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:27,199
Speaker 2: football locker room's like.

453
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 3: But do you know how like when people do that,

454
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 3: you know, do you know how Like it's pretty funny

455
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 3: when you hear somebody say, well, I played football, I

456
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 3: was in high school, I played youth league. Like it's

457
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 3: not even any reason to say it that because it's

458
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 3: it's so it's so insignificant from even college. It's like,

459
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 3: it doesn't make any sense to even say, well, I

460
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,399
Speaker 3: was in the locker room in high school. It's not

461
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 3: it's not the same. It's like and I just so

462
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 3: when I hear you guys talk about the law, I don't.

463
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 3: I look at it and I go, yeah, you're right,

464
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:03,439
Speaker 3: that is.

465
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 2: Your That is an experience that only a few a

466
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 2: fraction of society can speak to. And I've heard stories

467
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 2: from other people have told me stories about a weird

468
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:16,880
Speaker 2: stuff that's happened in a locker room.

469
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 3: I mean some of the most outlendo things, some of

470
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 3: the most outlets things you'll ever hear.

471
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 4: I remember, David, some of if some of the stuff

472
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 4: came out that was being done in locker rooms. John

473
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 4: Grutin's emails would see like romper room compared to some

474
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 4: of the stuff that people do in the locker room.

475
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 4: I remember my buddy David Anderson, who played in the

476
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 4: NFL for a while. He told me a story about

477
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,719
Speaker 4: there was alignment he played with on the Texans who

478
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 4: used to eat his food in the stall while he

479
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 4: was on the toilet. He would eat like McDonald's or

480
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 4: whatever he was eating that day while he was on

481
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,679
Speaker 4: the toilet. He just thought that that was the more

482
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 4: efficient way to eat his lunch. And then also, you know,

483
00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 4: drop the kids off at the same time.

484
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 3: I mean, there's way worse than that. There's way worse

485
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 3: than that. It's just like super repulsive things that take

486
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 3: place in the locker room, man, and for better or

487
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 3: for worse. Like, the only time it becomes an issue

488
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 3: is when somebody you know, feels like they need to

489
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 3: tell all about it or whatever it may be. You know,

490
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 3: it becomes an issue when it's an issue. But for

491
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 3: the most part, there are always a handful of dudes

492
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 3: that are going to do some wild s in the

493
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 3: locker room.

494
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's why I think there should be a

495
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 2: little more leeway given to that.

496
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 3: If that's where but that's where the line gets blurred

497
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 3: really badly. It gets blurred really badly, because what you

498
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 3: do know is if it does become public knowledge, it's

499
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 3: almost like secret like secret service, right like you get

500
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 3: sent on a mission.

501
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 4: We sent you, we paid you your commission to do it.

502
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 4: But if you get caught, we don't know you. That's

503
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 4: that's how it is.

504
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 3: If you are if you are going to do something

505
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 3: that's going to possibly come up and bring reproach on you,

506
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 3: this team, this league, we don't know you. We don't

507
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 3: know you, and we don't owe you. So in these moments,

508
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter what your reputation was. It doesn't matter,

509
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 3: you know, how good of a person you are, doesn't

510
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 3: matter how many Super Bowls you got, doesn't none of

511
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 3: those things matter.

512
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 4: All that matters is the.

513
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 3: Damning information that made it to the public to be consumed.

514
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 3: And now you've been judged by the public. That's all

515
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 3: that matters. And once that happens, you have to disassociate

516
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 3: yourself with those types of people. And that's what happened

517
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 3: with John Gruden and Will that happen Like I felt

518
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 3: like that could have possibly happened to the coach buddy

519
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 3: from from Miami when he started suing and he's like,

520
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 3: all right, I'm going to sue, and I thought he

521
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 3: might be done, Brian Flores, Brian Flores, but he ends

522
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 3: up getting onto a team. So obviously what he said

523
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 3: and what he went through and what he was putting

524
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 3: out there wasn't egregious enough for the ownership pool the

525
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 3: ring to say that he's out. I don't know for

526
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 3: certain what John Gruden's status is and that you know,

527
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 3: in that circle, but you would think after all this time,

528
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 3: you said, what year, twenty twenty one, twenty twenty one,

529
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 3: that's a long time, bro, that's a long time to

530
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 3: circle back and be like, you know what, let's give

531
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 3: him another go, because what does that say about your

532
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 3: coaching pool and development to begin with?

533
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I've thought, you know, maybe as an OC,

534
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 2: maybe in some capacity like that, Just the fact that.

535
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 4: He's getting as many.

536
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 2: That teams are consulting with him, like you know, it

537
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 2: was New Orleans last year, it was you know, Baltimore

538
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 2: this year. It just feels like we're inching closer towards

539
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 2: it being more of a possibility of him getting a

540
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 2: chance at some level in the NFL. So you know,

541
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 2: we'll keep you posted if we have any more developments

542
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 2: on John Gruden potentially back in the NFL.

543
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 4: With his I get I'll get kicked off the air.

544
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 3: I was about to use what he said, Oh, I him,

545
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 3: and then it would have been funny and then but

546
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 3: then I might have lost my job. But it's so

547
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 3: funny because if he was joking, like if we was

548
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 3: joking about that in the locker room, everybody would have

549
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 3: been left and they would have turned that on him.

550
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 3: They would have said something about him, They would have

551
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 3: they would have played the dozens on him. In fact,

552
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 3: I mean there were a lot of people that didn't

553
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 3: even like to do that. He was he was speaking

554
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 3: on to begin with. Yeah, so there's that.

555
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 4: There's that.

556
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 3: But you know, when color gets involved and race gets

557
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 3: involved and it becomes a thing, you know, the league

558
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 3: has to handle those things in a certain type of way,

559
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 3: and it's always going to be handled the same way. Yeah,

560
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 3: hidden women, racially driven, you know, racially insensitive deals, inequality

561
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 3: type of dips, you're gonna be in trouble. Man, like

562
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 3: you're gonna be in some serious trouble. They've taken teams

563
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 3: away from owners off of being inappropriate, and they have

564
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 3: taken jobs away from coaches for being inappropriate, and they

565
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 3: have taken jobs away from players for being inappropriate.

566
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 4: So you got to choose wisely.

567
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,280
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568
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Arrington and

569
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern, three am Pacific.

570
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 2: Do you want to mention some news that just came

571
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 2: out a short time ago. Uh, not the biggest surprise

572
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 2: in the world. This was the expectation at some point

573
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 2: if they couldn't get a deal done. But that's a

574
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 2: wrap Jay r Alexander has been cut by the Green

575
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 2: Bay Packers, so that is Uh, that'll wrap up his

576
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 2: time with the Green Bay Packers. That according to Ian Rappaport, Hey,

577
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 2: what's your.

578
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 4: Reaction to that, Lee? How you feel? How does that

579
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 4: make you feel?

580
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 3: Lee?

581
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Speaker 7: Well, I'm bummed that he just never panned out as

582
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 7: a great player for for the whole season. He was

583
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 7: always injured. He never really lived up to the full potential.

584
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 7: He was great, He's a great player still still great

585
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 7: years old, but whatever.

586
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 4: Rub it in Sorry, please distraught. That was one of

587
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 4: his Packers jerseys. Sorry, didn't you have a gy your

588
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 4: Alexander Jersey. No, never to get I don't get players

589
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 4: who get stay injured.

590
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 3: Oh gosh, geez, oh they're there. I guess, uh, the

591
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 3: organization don't keep players that stay injured. I think it

592
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 3: was more he wanted out. Okay, yeah, they they offered

593
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 3: him a restructured contract.

594
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 7: He said he wanted to stay, but he was always

595
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 7: I don't know, he was always saying something like he

596
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 7: wanted out.

597
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 2: By the way, did you see LEBARGI happened to see

598
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 2: the latest on Jalen Ramsey. Speaking of defensive backs, tell

599
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 2: everyone so the very latest on Jalen Ramsey. This also,

600
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 2: according to NFL Network, Ramsey will stay away from the

601
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 2: Dolphins off season program. They're still trying to trade him. God,

602
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 2: I can't imagine why they haven't been able to execute

603
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 2: a trade yet. It was almost like, you know, they

604
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 2: let everybody know it advance. Yeah, we're trading this player.

605
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 2: I still don't understand, and I know it's well, why

606
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 2: beat around the you know, why not make it public

607
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 2: that you know if you're going to move on from

608
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 2: a guy, and move on from a guy, why let

609
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 2: any of that information out? If you want to get

610
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 2: a trade done, and you are actually motivated to get

611
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 2: a trade done and you want to move a player,

612
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 2: why would you give any tell at all that you're

613
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 2: trying to trade the guy. If have conversations, you know,

614
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 2: with teams, if teams ask, hey, anybody available, I don't know,

615
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 2: what do you think about Jalen Ramsey? But instead you

616
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 2: come out and you tell everybody you're trying to trade

617
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 2: the guy. Why would teams around the league make a

618
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,720
Speaker 2: move when they can just sign him if he gets released?

619
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 2: Like Jerry Alexander and the Packers probably had several conversations

620
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 2: with teams, but they're like, dude, they're just gonna end

621
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 2: up releasing them anyways, because it's been so public. I

622
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,280
Speaker 2: just I don't I don't understand the thought, and teams

623
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 2: still do it, still talking, Oh well, listen, we're going

624
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 2: to try to trade. Like Chris Greer, the GM for

625
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 2: the Dolphins, say oh, we're going to try and trade

626
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 2: Jalen Ramsey.

627
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 4: Why go publicly that? Why not keep that behind close tours?

628
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 4: I don't.

629
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 3: I then didn Jalen Ramsey make it so that they

630
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 3: had to go public though? Didn't he say, you know,

631
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 3: bit farewell to everyone in Miami.

632
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 2: I think it was after Chris Greer. Was it after Yeah,

633
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 2: that's why I don't understand, Like, if you really we

634
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 2: get it.

635
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 4: It didn't work. It hasn't worked out there.

636
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 3: But do you feel as though he may have leveraged

637
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:30,879
Speaker 3: them into having to say something, you know, I don't

638
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 3: like if y'all don't release me or trade me or whatever,

639
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 3: like I'm gonna let people know I'm not coming back.

640
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, but they came first the market.

641
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 2: Players do that all the time though, to where they'll

642
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 2: do something passive aggressive on social media like that's that's

643
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 2: you know, the new move in the NFL, like or

644
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 2: the new move in sports where if somebody wants out,

645
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,919
Speaker 2: oh they they unfollowed the team and they.

646
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 4: Put not no longer a part of it, like it's

647
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 4: not in their bio that they're on the team.

648
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 2: It's like the new it's like the new Facebook relationship thing.

649
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 2: It's complicated.

650
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 4: It's a good thing.

651
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 2: Why don't you just say I'm looking for something strange? Okay,

652
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 2: just say that. But these but like so players will

653
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 2: post that all the time the organization. You don't hear

654
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 2: gms come out even if he did post something like

655
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 2: that and come out and say, oh, yeah, we are

656
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 2: trying to trade him. Okay, So why would I do

657
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 2: a deal with you if he's just gonna get cut.

658
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 2: I'll just wait until he's available and I don't have

659
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 2: to give anything up for him. Just doesn't make any

660
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 2: sense to.

661
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 3: Me unless you really need him. And if you have

662
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 3: a real need for him and you believe that he's

663
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 3: got enough gas in the tank, then you don't want

664
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 3: somebody else to get a hold of him. So you

665
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 3: try to figure out a deal. What does that look like?

666
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 3: What would that type of deal look like? How much

667
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 3: money is is? Is he you know, is his contract

668
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 3: worth like? What does that look like? I think that

669
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 3: that would play the biggest role in what takes place here.

670
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 3: If that's a too that's a nut that's too big

671
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 3: to crack, you're not going to go get them. And

672
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 3: and Miami has to know that going into this. So

673
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 3: what is the scenario Why why would you have not

674
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 3: tried to salvage the situation with him? And if it

675
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 3: were not a salvageable situation and you are indeed moving

676
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 3: on from him. I would have been way more aggressive

677
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 3: with trying to move him, you know, earlier on like

678
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 3: pre draft, you know all that, like the start of

679
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 3: the NFL season, the new NFL season. I would have

680
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 3: been all over that to try to make that work.

681
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 3: Why is this why is this drug out into June? Well,

682
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:42,359
Speaker 3: it's like the Kirk Cousins stuff. At this point, Kirk

683
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 3: Cousins has two options because he you know, he wants

684
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 3: to play, he wants an opportunity, and he wants to

685
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 3: be elsewhere. And he talked to the Falcons. He went

686
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 3: to Arthur Blank, he you know, gave him his case

687
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 3: as to why he you know, can you trade me?

688
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 4: Can you move on?

689
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 2: And the Falcons are like, no, no, we want to

690
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,760
Speaker 2: keep around for a veteran insurance at the backup quarterback spot.

691
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 2: We picked up his ten million dollar option. So if

692
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 2: you're Kirk Cousins, and this is just the cruel reality

693
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 2: of where he's at this offseason, if you're Kirk Cousins

694
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 2: at this point in the offseason, you got two choices, right,

695
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 2: you got two options. Either you're playing for the Falcons

696
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 2: next year, or somebody gets hurt and if a team

697
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,720
Speaker 2: has a starting quarterback who gets hurt and they're desperate,

698
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 2: that's when you would see them make a move. But

699
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 2: at this point, to your point, it's a little late

700
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 2: in the game to start. It's a little light like

701
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 2: wheeling and dealing, and for whatever reason, you know, at

702
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 2: least you know the Packers have moved on reportedly from

703
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 2: JayR Alexander. That'll be done later on today, and then

704
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,720
Speaker 2: we still wait to see what happens with Jalen Ramsey.

705
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 2: Now Aaron Rodgers is a Pittsburgh Steeler quarterback. Speaking of

706
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 2: former Packers, jay R Alexander is going to be one.

707
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers is one. He's now the starting quarterback for

708
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,879
Speaker 2: the Pittsburgh Steelers, as he signed his one year deal

709
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 2: over the weekend, made it official one year, nineteen million

710
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 2: dollars with incentives thirteen million dollars in change, but really

711
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 2: the guarantee is ten million dollars, So basically it's a

712
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 2: one year, ten million dollar deal and he can get

713
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 2: to those other numbers if he hit certain incentives in

714
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 2: certain benchmarks in the contract.

715
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 5: All that.

716
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 3: Can we talk Can we talk about this whole Aaron

717
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 3: Rodgers situation, him wearing number eight, who were number eight

718
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 3: in Pittsburgh.

719
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 4: I think they're a ponter did. But now he's going

720
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 4: to wear a number three. Why is he wearing number eight?

721
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 4: That's not what I want.

722
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 3: I want to talk about Aaron Rodgers getting a one

723
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 3: year deal and getting ten million guaranteed and having an

724
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 3: upwards of nineteen million and escalators and incentives in his contract. Again,

725
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 3: I will say this, and I said this when they

726
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 3: got Russ and I said this when they got Buddy

727
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 3: from Chicago, Josh Justin Fields, when they got filled. So

728
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 3: you're saying Tramisky, No, I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say,

729
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 3: with the quarterbacks they brought in last year, you got

730
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 3: discounted rates for both of them, one still being on

731
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:24,879
Speaker 3: their their rookie contract, the other one just not having

732
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 3: any value at this point in time when you brought

733
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 3: them on. So you have two quarterbacks that are pretty

734
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 3: comparable and what their contracts look like, and so there's

735
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 3: no real you know, you have the feeling there's no

736
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 3: real loss if neither one of them proves out. Now

737
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 3: you do that one off season with two former starters

738
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 3: of two different organizations last season, that's fine, is it,

739
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 3: okay to do it two seasons in a row. It

740
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 3: works so good last year, Well, it didn't work so

741
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 3: good last year. Pushing through your sarcasm, it didn't work

742
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:10,439
Speaker 3: very well last year. In fact, it did not work

743
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 3: to the degree of where you didn't want one of

744
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 3: the quarterbacks. Speculation says that you possibly wanted one of

745
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 3: the quarterbacks back, and both of them are gone and

746
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 3: you go back to a quarterback that was a starter

747
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:33,399
Speaker 3: for you from before that. Really, which if you look

748
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 3: this up, Lee or you Jonas is Mason Rudolph eight

749
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 3: and four as the starting quarterback of the Pittsburgh Steelers.

750
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 3: I think he's a winning record quarterback during his tenure

751
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 3: as a Pittsburgh Steeler quarterback. Nonetheless, they did not prove

752
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 3: out and show that they were a Super Bowl contending

753
00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 3: team with Mason Rudolph. And so now you bring him back.

754
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 3: You got Will Howard the draft pick.

755
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 4: Is he the guy?

756
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 3: So is the setup in the scenario of this to say,

757
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers gives us one year to give Will the

758
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 3: opportunity to learn from Aaron Rodgers, watch his habits, watch

759
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 3: how he studies, study him, and learn from him.

760
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 4: If something were to happen.

761
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 3: Mason Rudolph is our safety net to put in so

762
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 3: that we can still try to be competitive for the season,

763
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 3: and then at some point we're going with will as

764
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 3: our starting quarterback. If that's what it is, then I

765
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 3: don't know at this point, is it? I feel like,

766
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 3: is it? It's prudent to let the plan be made known.

767
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 3: This is what we're planning on doing. This is why

768
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 3: we didn't sign Aaron Rodgers to a long term contract.

769
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 3: This is why we didn't sign Aaron Rodgers to a

770
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 3: large contract because this is what we're planning on doing.

771
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 3: But we do feel as though we can improve our team,

772
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 3: impact our team right now with a motivated Aaron Rodgers.

773
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 3: Which now the question becomes, with everything that he's gone

774
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 3: through and all the speculation with good authority, what it

775
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 3: is that he's experienced this offseason, with the personal things

776
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 3: he's had to get through, does it translate into Aaron

777
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 3: Rodgers coming in and having one amazing year And if so,

778
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 3: then now doesn't that create another issue where now the

779
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 3: conversation has to be we gave him a one year contract,

780
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 3: he played his ass off, he played well. Are you

781
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 3: rewarding him with a long term con Are you rewarding

782
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 3: him with a different contract, I think, or are you

783
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 3: moving on and sticking to the plan of what it

784
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 3: may have been to move on to Will Howard, who

785
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 3: you drafted in this year's draft class. I think he's

786
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 3: hit a one year at a time basis at this

787
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 3: point in his career. And I think he said as

788
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 3: much in interviews as well too, is that you know,

789
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 3: just gonna take it one year at a time.

790
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 4: If he plays well enough this year and they.

791
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 2: Have a good year and he looks, you know, more

792
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 2: like the Rogers of old, and what looks more like

793
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 2: the Rogers we saw in the back end of last

794
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 2: year when he played much better. I mean, I think

795
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,959
Speaker 2: then the conversation becomes, well, let's just do it again,

796
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 2: Like why wouldn't we just do it again, especially if

797
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 2: they're out of contention and getting a top draft pick.

798
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 2: But at some point they're going to have to figure

799
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 2: out their quarterback of the future, and they've been scrambling

800
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 2: to do that for years now. I mean, you know,

801
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 2: Ben Roethlisberger got a red ass when they took Mason

802
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 2: Rudolph in the third round or whatever it was. I

803
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 2: remember talking about it at the time when Roethlisberger called

804
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 2: into a sports radio show in Pittsburgh and it was

805
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:53,280
Speaker 2: like a Saturday Saturday afternoon. He called into some sports

806
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 2: radio show in Pittsburgh and was just sort of criticizing

807
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 2: the Steelers. Well, why would we take a quarterback there?

808
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 2: There were other positions of me that we needed, et cetera,

809
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 2: et cetera. They should have addressed their quarterback of the

810
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 2: future conversation a long ass time ago, because since Roethlisberger's

811
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:14,479
Speaker 2: final year, what they had since an he picket didn't

812
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 2: work didn't work.

813
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 4: It just it just didn't work. For whatever reason you had.

814
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 3: Nothing has worked out. No we could give the names.

815
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 3: Nothing has worked out. In fact, the last days of

816
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:30,879
Speaker 3: Ben Roethlisberger didn't work out. That didn't work out as well.

817
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 3: So it wasn't like you left him prematurely.

818
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 4: He was done too. Is just that the idea of

819
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 4: replacing a replacement has not that has not surfaced me.

820
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 2: So let me ask you that, because there was I

821
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 2: think it was Adam Schefter who said on Friday or

822
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 2: it was over the weekend at some point and he

823
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 2: made the mention that Aaron Rodgers is the Packers third option,

824
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 2: that they were all in on wanting to get Matthew Stafford.

825
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 2: That didn't work. They wanted to resign Justin Fields anyone elsewhere,

826
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 2: and so they end up with Rogers. Whether that's true,

827
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 2: who knows.

828
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 4: But Mike, this is what I do know.

829
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 3: Whether you kept Justin Fields, whether you got Aaron Rodgers,

830
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 3: whether you kept Russell Wilson, whether you brought in Mason Rudolph,

831
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 3: whether you drafted Will Howard, is there anything else we want?

832
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 2: Well, whether you win and got let me ask you

833
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,879
Speaker 2: this though, because let's let's play that out. That okay,

834
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,399
Speaker 2: they wanted Matthew Stafford. Well there's other teams that wanted

835
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 2: Matthew Stafford as well too. He ended up staying with

836
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 2: the Rams. The Justin Fields conversation, well, they wanted Justin Fields.

837
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 2: He chose to go to the Jets. And I look

838
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 2: at that and I'm like, what does that mean? Why

839
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 2: would he choose the Jets over the Steelers? And you know,

840
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 2: the easy answer is, well, because of money. They offered

841
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 2: him more guaranteed money, so on and so forth. I

842
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 2: feel like the Steelers probably could have stepped up. It's

843
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 2: not like Justin Field's got this monster contract. In comparison,

844
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 2: to other quarterbacks in the NFL, the Steelers, you know,

845
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,320
Speaker 2: had they wanted him bad enough, they would have stepped

846
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 2: up and made the move and made the money right

847
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 2: to try and keep him. But it just goes back

848
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 2: to Mike Tomlin has been through all these different combinations

849
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 2: of quarterbacks that they've been trying since Roethlisberger walked away,

850
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 2: and this feels like Mike Tomlin at the end of

851
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 2: this being like, hey man, we're going to give it

852
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:37,320
Speaker 2: one last go. And Lvar you brought this up last offseason.

853
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 2: I think Tomlin's days are numbered, Like I think if

854
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 2: this doesn't work, you'd have to assume that that's that's

855
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 2: what comes next. And that's why I continue to have

856
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 2: the conversation the way that I continue to have the conversation,

857
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 2: like what is your ultimate end by bringing in Aaron Rodgers.

858
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 2: You're bringing him in at this this this price, this

859
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 2: price tag. Where does that price tag rank with all

860
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 2: the other quarterbacks in the league right now? That's not

861
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,760
Speaker 2: even half, No, that's not even half of a one.

862
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 3: Year guarantee for some of these upper echelonts qbs, it's

863
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,280
Speaker 3: not even had because it's like starting at like forty

864
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:21,399
Speaker 3: these days. Right, it's like high thirties forties per year. Yeah,

865
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 3: So you got him with ten million guaranteed and an

866
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 3: upwards of nineteen million dollars and he took it, and

867
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 3: he took it, So you got to take into consideration

868
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 3: what that means. He took well below market value of

869
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 3: a position that he could have required way more.

870
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 4: He took it.

871
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Speaker 3: Now people will sit out there and nail. Conventionally, the

872
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 3: conventional wisdom response to what I just said is he's

873
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 3: good enough, he's made enough. He can go prove that

874
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 3: he's that good and the money can come from somewhere else, right, Like,

875
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 3: this could be a different situation.

876
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Speaker 4: But I don't.

877
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 3: I don't think that that's it. I think that this

878
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 3: is the best price he could get if he's going

879
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 3: to continue to play, and this could be his best

880
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 3: opportunity to try to have success before he ends his career.

881
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 3: And if that's the case, I just feel like those

882
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 3: are hard circumstances. A one year contract, a team that's

883
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:30,359
Speaker 3: trying to figure it out, just got rid of their

884
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 3: number one, all right, they bring in DK whatever, blase blah.

885
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 3: I just don't think that this is a recipe that

886
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 3: is going to yield a very good looking or great

887
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 3: tasting product that is consumable.

888
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:46,359
Speaker 4: I just I don't feel that way right now.

889
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 5: Lee.

890
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 4: You've got the number from what I'm seeing.

891
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 7: If you were to look at his thirteen point six,

892
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 7: and even if you looked at his nineteenth, he would

893
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 7: still nineteen million. He would be ranked at nineteenth Steelers

894
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 7: just behind Justin Field at twenty million dollars ever annually

895
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,720
Speaker 7: with the Jets, ahead of rookie cam Ward in Tennessee,

896
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 7: who's getting twelve this year.

897
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 3: As a rookie, as a rookie, as a rookie on

898
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Speaker 3: a slotted scale. You guys don't think slotted scale contract.

899
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Speaker 2: You guys don't think I if Rogers wanted to haggle

900
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 2: the Steelers and squeeze a couple more million out of them,

901
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 2: he couldn't come on, Darren Rodgers.

902
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,479
Speaker 3: I mean. But again, that's that's the point that I'm making.

903
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 3: The point is is that that is what he took.

904
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 3: That is what he's getting, and that is what they're

905
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:32,240
Speaker 3: paying him. And you're gonna get if you're talking about

906
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 3: getting the top CEO for your company and you want

907
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 3: to steal him away for her away from this company

908
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 3: over here to bring him to your company and get

909
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 3: what you pay for. You get what you pay for

910
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 3: what you pay for, And I think that that's ultimately

911
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 3: what this comes down to. Like you could be thinking

912
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 3: you're getting a discounted, you know, rate for the same

913
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:58,399
Speaker 3: thing that you're getting, but you're ultimately you're only worth

914
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 3: what people are willing to pay you. And whether it's

915
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,839
Speaker 3: a car, whether it's like it's like I was talking

916
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 3: to somebody about mister Styx the other day and they

917
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 3: asked me, you know, they're they're thinking about getting a

918
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 3: boor bull and this that and the other and da

919
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 3: dah dah and this and that. We went through it,

920
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 3: talked through it, breeders died this, that did a lot

921
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 3: of homework, blase blah. This is what I paid for

922
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 3: when I wanted to get this dog in particular, and

923
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 3: that's what I paid for. And then he told me

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00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 3: what he was paying for to get his and I said, well,

925
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 3: that's what you're gonna get. I mean, that's that's fourteen

926
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:39,399
Speaker 3: off of what I paid. So if you think you're

927
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 3: going to get the same the same quality, good luck.

928
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Speaker 3: I mean, maybe maybe it does happen. Maybe maybe you

929
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 3: do feel like, the quality of the dog is that

930
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 3: of one that you would have to pay top dollar for.

931
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 3: And maybe that happened, but maybe it didn't. But you

932
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 3: do know what you're getting for when you pay top

933
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 3: dollar for what you paid for.

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Speaker 4: Did you just call Aaron Rodgers a borble?

935
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Speaker 3: Uh?

936
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 5: No?

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00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 3: And if I did, I would have said he was

938
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Speaker 3: the borble that's fourteen off from the other barble, which

939
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 3: I mean, is he okay with me? Is he okay

940
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 3: with being in that situation? Like you're being paid, you're

941
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 3: being paid like a backup, but you're going to be

942
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 3: asked to do what starters do. That's right, Okay, Well

943
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Speaker 3: there you go. Stillers