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Speaker 1: Author of America Narcan on Amazon. Doctor William Maroney, I

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Speaker 1: she would saying, oh well, what, Kenya Johnson, are you

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Speaker 1: telling me another woman was wearing his dead wife's clothing,

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Speaker 1: her designer clothing, I might add, absolutely, And that's what

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Speaker 1: really brought police to suspect that the shooting may have

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Speaker 1: been intentional. So in this current case, the fact that

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Speaker 1: she's not allowing help. Who wouldn't want help from anyone

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Speaker 1: that was offering it, even strangers. It just doesn't show

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Speaker 1: a sense of urgency or desperation, and that raises that

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Speaker 1: else this reminds me? I mean, I hate to even

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Speaker 1: say his name. Rachel Hammer's joining me hunts Froll Alabama

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Speaker 1: journalist Drew Peterson. Drew Peterson, who's in jail already for

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Speaker 1: murdering wife number three, Kathleen Savio. Remember when his fourth,

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Speaker 1: much younger wife, Stacy Peterson, goes missing, he tried to

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Speaker 1: give her fur coats and bikini's away to another woman.

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Speaker 1: I mean almost immediately. That's creepy, you know I'm talking

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Speaker 1: about For those of you just joining us, a thirty

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Speaker 1: seven year old young man, many people think that he's handsome,

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Speaker 1: Jim Capello junior with a four year old little girl

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Speaker 1: left behind without a dad. So co workers come and

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Speaker 1: try to help look for him, and the wife will

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Speaker 1: not let them in the front door. And there's his

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Speaker 1: car parked out in the front. They know that's there,

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Speaker 1: but that's not all. Listen to our friend w F

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Speaker 1: forty eight reporter Lindsay Kneale. Private investigator Jim Capello was

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Speaker 1: found dead on the floor of his garage at the

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Speaker 1: family's South Huntsville home. His wife had reported him missing

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Speaker 1: told her that he wasn't really missing and that she

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Speaker 1: killed him with insolin seeking help to dispose of the body.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. His wife had reported him

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Speaker 1: missing in September, but investigators say she called a friend

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Speaker 1: she killed him with insolent, seeking help to dispose of

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Speaker 1: the body. Her friend then called police, leading to the

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Speaker 1: sad discovery. Jim was investigating his wife because he thought

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Speaker 1: she was abusing drugs. Nicki, meanwhile, was very open to

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Speaker 1: co workers about the re lationship problems they were having.

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Speaker 1: According to police, she showed no emotion after her husband's

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Speaker 1: body was found. A small grave was also discovered in

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Speaker 1: the backyard. The evidence that came out today is pretty

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Speaker 1: clear and pretty horrendous. Like I said, we're still pursuing

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Speaker 1: a murder charge. Wow, wait a minute, now it's all

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Speaker 1: starting to fit together, to see Lampley, detective, author of

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Speaker 1: How to Catch a Liar Or Another thing that happened

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Speaker 1: was when police came to the home. She says, sure,

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Speaker 1: search the home everything, but the garage, ding ding, ding,

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Speaker 1: ding ding, and now what idiot? No offense Marjorie Nicole

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Speaker 1: Nicki Capello, age thirty two. But who calls someone and asks, Hey,

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Speaker 1: my husband's not really missing. Don't worry about him, he's dead.

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Speaker 1: How does that even fit in the same sentence, don't

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Speaker 1: worry about him, he's not missing, he's dead. Can you

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Speaker 1: help me get rid of his body? I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: a surefire way to get caught an episode of Orible

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Speaker 1: dumbas Criminals. This case has been the I guess, the

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Speaker 1: comedy of errors from the beginning, because it's my understanding

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Speaker 1: telling her co workers that the only way she was

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Speaker 1: going to be out of the marriage or something along

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Speaker 1: those lines, was if he was dead. And then she

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Speaker 1: steals the drug that has to be counted, knowing that's

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Speaker 1: going to come up missing, takes it home, she injects

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Speaker 1: the insulin. Then she asked for help from two different people.

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Speaker 1: I understand the dispose of the body. She digs a

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Speaker 1: gray and then she avoids the police help. It couldn't

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Speaker 1: have been much easier for the police officers. I don't believe.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Karen Smith, forensics expert, found her bare bones, consulting.

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Speaker 1: What is it? Where the husbands and the wives? I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's the first person cops look at and she's asking

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Speaker 1: people to help dispose of the body. Yeah, D, I,

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Speaker 1: V O, R and C E. Anthony. I don't understand this.

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Speaker 1: It's you know, they always have the thing. It's always

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Speaker 1: the husband. It's always the wife. Well not always, but

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Speaker 1: a lot of the time it is. And in this case,

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Speaker 1: police smelled the odor of a decomposing body at the

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Speaker 1: front door. If the body is in the garage, I

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Speaker 1: don't know many garages that have air conditioning in them.

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Speaker 1: That body is going to decompose even more rapidly because

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Speaker 1: of the heat. There's no doubt in my mind. As

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Speaker 1: soon as she opened that front door, the officer got

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Speaker 1: a whiff of that human decomposition. He went, woo, we've

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Speaker 1: got a huge problem here. You tape off the house,

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Speaker 1: you lock the doors, you take her downtown for questioning,

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Speaker 1: and you get a search warrant for the house, which

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Speaker 1: is exactly what they did too. Doctor William Moroney, Deputy

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Speaker 1: Medical Examiner, Bay County, Michigan, author of American narcan doctor Moroney.

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Speaker 1: I know this is elementary for you. Try to break

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Speaker 1: it down for us regular folks. Why would the cops

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Speaker 1: have smelled his body. The body begins to decompose within

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Speaker 1: the first twenty four hours. It swells and it gives

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Speaker 1: off gases. Those gases burst. It's the bacteria inside the body,

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Speaker 1: and worse than that, it's blowflies come and plant larva,

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Speaker 1: and then there's maggots that begin eating the body and

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Speaker 1: all that gives off putrescine, sperming and other fatty based, organic,

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Speaker 1: nasty smelling things. That that's the reason why we embalm bodies.

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Speaker 1: It prevents all that bad chemistry. And without it, especially

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Speaker 1: at ninety degrees plus humidity, blowflies, maggots, swelling gas, it

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Speaker 1: takes about a day, and that all starts at ninety

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Speaker 1: degrees in the summer. Okay, I want, I wanted you

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Speaker 1: to dummy down for me, but I think you kind

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Speaker 1: of went a little overboard. You just don't have any

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Speaker 1: in between daya dotor Maroney to Rachel Hammers, Huntsville, Alabama journalist,

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Speaker 1: what was wrong with their marriage? Why not just get

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Speaker 1: a divorce like normal people? That would make sense in

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Speaker 1: doing some additional digging the Niagaragazette where he grew up,

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Speaker 1: and Lotport had reported that there was according to his sister,

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Speaker 1: that he was investigating her. He was investigating his wife,

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Speaker 1: I should say, for drug abuse, and the sisters quoted

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Speaker 1: as saying, I think the problem slowly grew over time.

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Speaker 1: He wanted her to seek hope. So it sounds like

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Speaker 1: perhaps he wanted to save the marriage. Wow, we understand

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Speaker 1: that Jim had become suspicious that wife NICKI was using drugs.

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Speaker 1: Don't know what kind. Could have been over the counter,

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Speaker 1: could have been prescription drugs, we don't know. So he

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Speaker 1: the PI private investigator starts investigating her and gathering evidence.

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Speaker 1: He at some point decided he wanted to leave her

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Speaker 1: and get custody of the four year old daughter Riley.

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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, at one point he even

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Speaker 1: finds a bottle of insolent, takes a photo of it

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Speaker 1: and sends it to a friend, but they didn't know

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Speaker 1: what it was at the time. Now, this is what

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Speaker 1: I don't understand. How does this work in a hospital,

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Speaker 1: doctor William Moroney? How do they not know that insulin

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Speaker 1: is missing? Don't they have to keep that locked up

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Speaker 1: and sign out. They do. But somebody can fraud the

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Speaker 1: use of insulin and say that they took it out

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Speaker 1: for a patient that was listed on the floor is diabetic,

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Speaker 1: and they faked entries into the computer. And with narcotics

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Speaker 1: with scheduled substances, you're required to have a witness, and

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Speaker 1: if you dispose of it, it's called wasting. And the

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Speaker 1: person verifies that you got rid of the fentonel, you

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Speaker 1: got rid of the morphine, you got rid of the dlotted,

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Speaker 1: you got rid of the injection, and two people assume

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Speaker 1: the responsibility. Because insulin is a what you call a

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Speaker 1: generic organic daily drug, you're not required to have a witness.

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Speaker 1: You can fake the entry yourself, and that's how they

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Speaker 1: do that in the hospital. I have a short explanation

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Speaker 1: of why her and her friend talked casually about him dying.

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Speaker 1: It's her drug use, if she is involved in drugs,

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Speaker 1: has hijacked her brain, and this other person may be involved,

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Speaker 1: and that's why they could talk about it openly to

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Speaker 1: try to cover up their drug use. As soon as

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Speaker 1: somebody finds out that she's dependent on substances or addicted,

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Speaker 1: her nursing license is gone. So she's going to try

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Speaker 1: to hide that, you know. Another issue that we heard

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Speaker 1: from Stephen Lampley earlier is that Nicki Cappello, a young mom,

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Speaker 1: a charge nurse at the hospital, told co workers that

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Speaker 1: she was miserable in her marriage and the only way

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Speaker 1: she could ever be free and rid of her husband

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Speaker 1: is if he was dead. Now, co workers actually caught it.

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Speaker 1: They were looking through medication supply and they found insulin missing.

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Speaker 1: And this is according to waff and that they contacted

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Speaker 1: Nicki Cappello and she said she accidentally bought a bottle

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Speaker 1: of the diabetes drug home with her. So they did

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Speaker 1: catch it, and they called her on it. Rachel Hammers

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Speaker 1: until Alabama journalist What's next in the case in early

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty, We wait as justice unfolds Nancy Grace crime story,

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Speaker 1: signing off Goodbye friend,