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Speaker 2: This is episode four hundred and seven with Michael Ray.

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Speaker 2: He walked in and he just looked like a wrestler,

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Speaker 2: professional wrestler. He did massive and Michael Ray has always

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Speaker 2: It's the first thing that I think of when I

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Speaker 2: Is the Ray bus thing?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's true.

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Speaker 2: We got so on and I was going to ask

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Speaker 2: So I was kind of feeling him out there, like

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Speaker 2: so you know, big growth. I think that's the takeaway

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Speaker 2: That's not even real life. So I had to go

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Speaker 2: But I will say after this, I like the guy.

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Speaker 2: got to. So Michael Ray here, follow him at Michael

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Speaker 1: That's all rap, that's okay, She's going to be one

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Speaker 2: multiple weeks. Yeah, come in all right, Michael Ray from

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Speaker 1: Man? I've been I started doing this carnivore diet where

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Speaker 2: I was single until I was thirty seven years old.

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Speaker 1: Right, yeah, so you're just eating whatever you want, whatever.

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Speaker 2: I want, grab go to the I would just literally

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Speaker 1: It's insane. Bro it just you go to now and.

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Speaker 2: To go to Whole Foods.

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Speaker 1: look at Knox. I'm like, I don't know. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I guess if she wants to re sing it, you know,

434
00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:19,159
Speaker 1: like let her do it. So she did it a

435
00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:22,000
Speaker 1: few times just to have you know, But dude, she

436
00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:25,280
Speaker 1: showed up, and she showed up every time and just nails.

437
00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:26,600
Speaker 1: We've been able to sing it a couple of times

438
00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:28,480
Speaker 1: live and she just crushed it. And it was like

439
00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:30,600
Speaker 1: soon as we as soon as we got in the

440
00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,480
Speaker 1: studio and we heard our voices together, even without any

441
00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:36,560
Speaker 1: polish or anything on it. Man, it just fit and

442
00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:39,960
Speaker 1: our voices fit real well together. And I'm excited for her, man,

443
00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:41,960
Speaker 1: and excited for her that she's a part of it.

444
00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:43,080
Speaker 1: I think that it was made.

445
00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:44,600
Speaker 2: For and that's a single, right, we played it before

446
00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:45,679
Speaker 2: you got here. That's a single.

447
00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,800
Speaker 1: It's just now what we released the day of the EP,

448
00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:52,440
Speaker 1: so we haven't picked a true single yet. I think

449
00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:54,600
Speaker 1: that's it. I think, so I'm shoot, that's what That's

450
00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:55,000
Speaker 1: what I want.

451
00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:55,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's really good.

452
00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:56,520
Speaker 1: Thank you man.

453
00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:58,520
Speaker 2: I was going through the EP and just looking at

454
00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:01,440
Speaker 2: some of I'd heard all the songs that I was

455
00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:02,880
Speaker 2: going through again just see who had written a bunch

456
00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:07,159
Speaker 2: of these songs. The last track Wallen and Hardy and

457
00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,600
Speaker 2: Josh I was born Jesse Frasier, which is pretty cool.

458
00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:13,399
Speaker 2: My favorite part of it though, is the song hate

459
00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:18,520
Speaker 2: this Town. So there's a place down here with my

460
00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,120
Speaker 2: wife and I would go eat all the time. And

461
00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:25,680
Speaker 2: this guy it was mask time too, so he just

462
00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:27,919
Speaker 2: didn't know what anybody looked like. You know. There were

463
00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:29,920
Speaker 2: times after COVID where people I had known for like

464
00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:34,480
Speaker 2: a year, I was like, that's your mouth, bro, Like

465
00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,280
Speaker 2: one way, the other was like that you have a goatee.

466
00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:39,680
Speaker 2: Like there are all these things that were discovered, and

467
00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:44,679
Speaker 2: that was one of them. I think. So we go

468
00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:46,879
Speaker 2: to this and and our waiter, we didn't really know

469
00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:49,400
Speaker 2: what his face looked like but every week we would

470
00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:51,120
Speaker 2: go and here we'd see him and he's just awesome.

471
00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:53,200
Speaker 2: And we knew his name, I knew where he lived,

472
00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:55,560
Speaker 2: and like, one of the last times we were there,

473
00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,200
Speaker 2: I was like, hey, so what's the deal. He says,

474
00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,080
Speaker 2: it's his last week working there. I said, well, like,

475
00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:01,679
Speaker 2: what are you going to do? And he said, man,

476
00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,000
Speaker 2: I'm about to sign a publishing deal? And I was like,

477
00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:06,360
Speaker 2: you're a writer. He'sai, yeah, I'm a writer, I'm an artist.

478
00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,680
Speaker 2: I said, we've been coming in here for twelve thirteen months.

479
00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,280
Speaker 2: You never once mentioned that. And I said, first of all,

480
00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:16,000
Speaker 2: in a way, that's awesome, cause everywhere, not everywhere, but

481
00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:17,879
Speaker 2: a lot of places I go, people will find a

482
00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:19,639
Speaker 2: way to either bring it up or bring bring it

483
00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:23,840
Speaker 2: to me. Not once did this guy do that. And

484
00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,360
Speaker 2: I said, well, are you any good? And he was like,

485
00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:31,480
Speaker 2: I mean I'm trying to be and so yeah, he

486
00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:33,800
Speaker 2: showed me his face. Honestly, I was like, can I

487
00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:35,280
Speaker 2: see we haven't in your face yet. We've been with

488
00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,400
Speaker 2: us forever. He takes his mask off and I was like, dang,

489
00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,160
Speaker 2: you're actually pretty good looking. And so I was doing

490
00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,480
Speaker 2: some stand up here at a theater in town, and

491
00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:45,280
Speaker 2: I said, hey, you're you've been awesome forever. Once you

492
00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,320
Speaker 2: come to this show, you and your friend could come

493
00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:49,959
Speaker 2: sit of the show. And he's like, oh cool. So

494
00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:51,679
Speaker 2: he comes to the show. Well, what he doesn't know

495
00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:53,480
Speaker 2: is I've got this thing planned and I say, hey,

496
00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,160
Speaker 2: will this Our waiter has been here for a while.

497
00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,200
Speaker 2: He has no idea he's going to get invited up here.

498
00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,160
Speaker 2: So his name is john the Clawson and he wrote

499
00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,240
Speaker 2: hate this Town yep, yep, and so and I didn't

500
00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,000
Speaker 2: put any of it together until I was looking back

501
00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:07,960
Speaker 2: through your EP again.

502
00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,600
Speaker 1: That's wild, dude, What a what a full circle moment.

503
00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,119
Speaker 2: And he came up and he killed. He did not

504
00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:15,760
Speaker 2: know he was going to perform. He didn't even have

505
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,560
Speaker 2: his guitar. We had Eddie's guitar. He came up and

506
00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:22,080
Speaker 2: he crushed. But so Johnny Clawson who was that guy?

507
00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,520
Speaker 2: Wrote it with Kaylin Roberson and John Wood. But that

508
00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:29,320
Speaker 2: song specifically hate this Town? How did it get to you?

509
00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,920
Speaker 1: You know? I love writing songs, and I write a lot,

510
00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,840
Speaker 1: but I also lean on the songwriting community, you know,

511
00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,560
Speaker 1: and all my heroes cut outside songs, and especially now

512
00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,440
Speaker 1: more than ever, I feel it's important for us to

513
00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:41,320
Speaker 1: lean into that community, you know, with just the way

514
00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:44,480
Speaker 1: that music is being bought. You know, there's the revenue

515
00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,639
Speaker 1: for songwriters isn't what it was when people were buying

516
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:50,440
Speaker 1: tangible albums anymore. And and we're torn so much. Man.

517
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,560
Speaker 1: I just I sometimes I just feel like it's best

518
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:54,479
Speaker 1: I just hit my songwriter buddies and go, hey, man,

519
00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,040
Speaker 1: here's what we're looking for. If you're writing today and

520
00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,000
Speaker 1: you've you know, got anything in this vein, He's kind

521
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:03,120
Speaker 1: of what we need. Knox actually got this song sent

522
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 1: to him and he put it in our drop box

523
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:08,719
Speaker 1: and I heard it, and I grew up in Florida, man,

524
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,840
Speaker 1: where it was southern rock and and you know, I

525
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,320
Speaker 1: grew up on a lot of traditional country and and

526
00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,919
Speaker 1: so it had some of that pieces to it, you know,

527
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 1: and it just I love the I felt like i'd

528
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:21,960
Speaker 1: gone I'd gone through that, you know a little bit.

529
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,280
Speaker 1: And I think everybody's gone through that when especially in

530
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,199
Speaker 1: a small town where you something has happened, and you

531
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:28,720
Speaker 1: know a lot of times that's a breakup or something

532
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:30,639
Speaker 1: where you never thought that this town would be a

533
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,159
Speaker 1: place you wanted to get out of or needed a

534
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,800
Speaker 1: break from for a little bit. Uh. And you always

535
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:36,199
Speaker 1: a place that you loved and you went to, but

536
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,320
Speaker 1: now there's so many memories too, There's so much going

537
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 1: on that you just need a break from it. I

538
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:42,520
Speaker 1: just felt like we'd all been there and it's a

539
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:43,880
Speaker 1: it's been a fun one to play. Man.

540
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Speaker 3: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor. Wow,

541
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Speaker 3: and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

542
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Speaker 2: You feel like you've aged a lot in the past

543
00:22:59,400 --> 00:22:59,879
Speaker 2: five years.

544
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

545
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 2: Do you feel like you have a lot of advice

546
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 2: now that you wouldn't have been able to give that

547
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:04,960
Speaker 2: now you can give.

548
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:06,959
Speaker 1: Oh, I feel like a grandpa.

549
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 2: There was a time to in my career. Yeah, where

550
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 2: I went. I've been through some real crap now and

551
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 2: for the first time I have somebody said, hey, can

552
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:14,400
Speaker 2: you help me Mandy's advice?

553
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,400
Speaker 1: I'd be like, yep, I sure can and have Yeah, yep, absolutely, man.

554
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 2: And it takes challenge, It takes going through challenges to

555
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 2: actually be understand why you're grateful for stuff too. Absolutely,

556
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:26,160
Speaker 2: it gives you a new perspective.

557
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, man. And and you just have no other choice.

558
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,360
Speaker 1: It's like you get everybody's life's going to have ups

559
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 1: and downs. But I believe, especially now man, that no

560
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:36,640
Speaker 1: matter if it's the up or the down, it's all

561
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 1: part of the purpose to get you where you're going

562
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 1: to be, you know, and who you're supposed to be.

563
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 1: And sometimes having that wake up or having that jerk,

564
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 1: you know, just oh my god, life altering something happening

565
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:51,199
Speaker 1: is what makes a lot of people reassess everything, you know,

566
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:52,440
Speaker 1: and then you're in that fork in the road where

567
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 1: you go, Okay, well do I go this way? Do

568
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 1: I go this way? And either you know, and now

569
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you got a clear mind because

570
00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 1: you went through all this. And the Rocky movies are

571
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,680
Speaker 1: my favorite ever, and so I always tell people on

572
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 1: my dude at the end, it was like Adrian, we

573
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:06,719
Speaker 1: he's all beat up, you know, but he did it.

574
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 1: You know, he's a champion. It's like going through those

575
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,680
Speaker 1: things I used to always, you know, my one of

576
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 1: my biggest problems was showing vulnerability. You know, I grew

577
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 1: up in a divorced home, a lot of fighting, you know,

578
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 1: a lot of verbal abuse, a lot of you know,

579
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 1: I was always in different places all the time, and

580
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:26,400
Speaker 1: and so I never wanted people to see that side

581
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:31,160
Speaker 1: I never wanted people think the bad of yeah. Yeah,

582
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 1: and so I always wanted I just never showed vulnerability.

583
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 1: Always try to keep that wall up, you know, And

584
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 1: it's exhausting. It's what I found out through the year.

585
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 1: So my parents got divorced when I was eight, and

586
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 1: then do you remember them together a little bit? I

587
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 1: remember one Christmas and it was a Christmas where we

588
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 1: grew up in this double white trailer on ten Acres

589
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 1: and my family donated. My family started the first fire station.

590
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 2: In your town.

591
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 1: In that town, yeah, uh, in that area, is it,

592
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,880
Speaker 1: like what Eustace? Yeah, And so my grandfather, my grandmother

593
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 1: started that and that was at the front end of

594
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 1: our acreage, and everybody kind of lived all our family

595
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 1: lived pastors apart, you know. And so I remember one Christmas.

596
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 1: I don't other than that, very little, very little memories.

597
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: And it's weird how me and my little sister talks

598
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: about it. It's weird how you block out a lot

599
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 1: of things, you know. And when you look back at

600
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: my childhood, I'm like, man, there's some I don't There's

601
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 1: like years I'm like, where did what do we do?

602
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 1: Like it's just like kind of gone, did.

603
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 2: Your my parents had divorced on five or six, and

604
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 2: I can remember barely them before my biological dad left,

605
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 2: just barely, right, and so I do have like this shred.

606
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 2: But then my biological dad was never around. I never

607
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 2: saw him ag until I was almost thirty six, thirty

608
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 2: seven years old. Did your mom and dad are they

609
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 2: still alive? Yeah?

610
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 1: Okay?

611
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 2: And did they remain in the same town. Did you

612
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 2: have a relationship with both of them? Did you go

613
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:54,919
Speaker 2: back and forth?

614
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:58,479
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I did, and they they you know, my

615
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,399
Speaker 1: mom was from you to there. She's from Tallahassee. But

616
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 1: when Ustic's high school moved down there when she was

617
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 1: grown up, and she grew up in a real tough

618
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 1: environment to you know, abused and divorced home and kind

619
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: of split and so luckily, I mean that the one

620
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: thing they did do right is they kept me and

621
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: my sister together. You know, even though I live with

622
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: my dad and my sister lived with my mom. Our

623
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 1: weekends were at the same time, you know, unless I

624
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 1: was playing music with my grandpa or whatever, then I

625
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 1: was out with him. But yeah, and that what what

626
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 1: was tough though, And it was tough bro until not

627
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: that long ago. Was my mom and my dad.

628
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 2: Their relationship was so tumultuous.

629
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah. I mean we to a point where

630
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 1: I was like, man, listen, I can't put somebody over

631
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,120
Speaker 1: here and somebody. You know, I didn't ask for any

632
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: of this, you know, I was we were I was eight,

633
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: my sister was six. Like, we didn't ask for any

634
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 1: of this, you know, like both of y'all remarried and separated.

635
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 1: You know. Let's you know, also, I need you to

636
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 1: look at it as I know you got some personal

637
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 1: stuff there. But that's my dad and that's my mom.

638
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,160
Speaker 1: So I you know, imagine.

639
00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 2: You have these conversations with them. That's a that's a

640
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 2: tough conversation to be the kid and the adult.

641
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 1: It's tough, man, It's tough, and it's and it's a

642
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,360
Speaker 1: weird thing too. Is. I feel like in life there

643
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 1: is that switch where it starts we all of a sudden,

644
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: your parents are like my mom is you know, call

645
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 1: me and my sister and my dad's calling us for advice.

646
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: And I'm like, when did this happen? You know what

647
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: I mean? Like when did we become the I'm like, Dad,

648
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: what are you doing?

649
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 2: Bro?

650
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: You can't do you know you can't do that, or Mom,

651
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 1: don't you know? And uh, it is, it's it's weird, man.

652
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: But I wasn't confident in doing that until I went

653
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 1: to I did my first ever. I never really done

654
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: therapy before. And uh, there's a group of guys and

655
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: a guy named Al here in Nashville that has helped

656
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: a lot of artists out and him and a guy

657
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 1: named Miles.

658
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 2: And so I've been on site, so that's okay, yeah.

659
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: No, but I went to a place in Arizona that's

660
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: like yeah, and so it was dude, I won't mention

661
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: because we obviously got to keep things of private in

662
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 1: those things. But I go to Arizona, right, This is

663
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: this was a this is such like a god like

664
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: universe moment of just like humbleness but also what people

665
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 1: think our lives are, you know, from the Instagram or

666
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 1: from a social media whatever they've made in their hip. Bro,

667
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: I go to Arizona for therapy seven days intense. I

668
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: mean it was, like the guy told me, because you

669
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: pretty much went from not driving a car to the

670
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,239
Speaker 1: Daytona five hundred, right, and h I go in there

671
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 1: and known exactly what dude, I just started feeling like

672
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: I was getting angry, started feeling I was getting some

673
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: traits that people in my family had and I wasn't

674
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 1: being able to control them. And I was like, I'm

675
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: I want to nip this in the butt. I've always

676
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: felt since I was a kid, I was a guy

677
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: that was going to change my family's path. And I

678
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 1: started seeing those things pop up, and you know, all

679
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: of a sudden, my anger or this shit that's not me,

680
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm like, we got to do something.

681
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: And h somebody at a friend of mine at the

682
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: label reached out to al and aw hook me up

683
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: at this place. And first person I meet when I

684
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: walk in, their first person in my group, it's from Franklin,

685
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: tonnes site.

686
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 2: Really you had to go random Arizona, Random Arizona.

687
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: And it even better, I do.

688
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 2: Do you see at the wy Yeah, Steve, what are

689
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 2: you doing here?

690
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: B So I thought maybe I'd get out and it'd

691
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: be you know, no one would know, and it would

692
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: just be you know, me and a bunch of people

693
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: in a group. And it was when I want to

694
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: I'm driving to my first day park, get a call

695
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: from my management, Hey, congratulations, whiskey and rain went number

696
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: one A week early. It looks like you're about to

697
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: have your first two week number one. And it was

698
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: already right to go, about to go platinum. I just

699
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: pulled into therapy. I'm sitting in the parking lot, get

700
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: this call, dude, And it was just this rush of

701
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: emotions because I think I didn't realize, you know, coming

702
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: from the South, coming from you don't talk about stuff.

703
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 2: Therapy was not a thing for what people did, what

704
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 2: rich people did on TV. Yeah, and there were shrinks

705
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 2: and that's just not for us because we got to

706
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 2: worry about eating, not going to have mental health jet yeah,

707
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 2: or are you looking?

708
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: You go, I'm not paying you one hundred and fifty

709
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: dollars an hour to talk to you. You know, I'll

710
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,479
Speaker 1: go and do this or I'll go whatever. And all

711
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: douz is just push it down and push it down.

712
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: And at some point it's like filling up a five

713
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: gallon bucket. You know, it only can hold five gallons,

714
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: you put five and a half. Half of it's falling out,

715
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: you know. And so I think it's what we do

716
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: as humans. We just push it down, push it down,

717
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: push down, and then it comes out in an angry

718
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: way or in a way that you grew up that

719
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you're like, oh, wow, why did

720
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: I just say that, you know? Or why did I

721
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: just do that?

722
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 2: It's funny you were seeing some of those traits that

723
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 2: you didn't want to have that maybe you had seen

724
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 2: though as a kid in yeah, and you to even

725
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 2: acknowledge to even have the where it's all to go, oh,

726
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 2: I see this, Yeah, I don't like it. Yeah, because

727
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 2: sometimes I'll have these but I don't I can't notice.

728
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 2: I don't have the capability to go oh. Some of

729
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 2: my wife would be like, hey, just so you know,

730
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 2: you're spiraling, and I'm like, oh, you're right.

731
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

732
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 2: The fact that you could see it in yourself, like

733
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 2: that's that's pretty mature.

734
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it was. It was. I think I

735
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: just those are the memories I have growing up of

736
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: some of those you know, holes punched in walls and

737
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: you know, all of that stuff that I never did that,

738
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: but it was like those little things where I was like, oh,

739
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: that's close. And then I also had a my mom's sister.

740
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: Not to get all down, but my mom's sister took

741
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: her own life around just before that time, and I

742
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: remember sitting at the service, and for the first time

743
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: ever before I went into the therapy, like I literally,

744
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: dude could sit on my count and this is not me,

745
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: Like I'm up in the morning at the gym, like

746
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: I try to like live every second I can. And Dude,

747
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: for months, man, I couldn't get off the There'd be

748
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: days where I just didn't literally no, no, should just

749
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: checked out and numb Laurie like I could. I'd look

750
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: at that water bowl and go, man, I'm thirsty and

751
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: sit there for ten hours, you know, and I had,

752
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: and I could, and I'd break out of it for

753
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: a little bit, but then I'd go out, you know,

754
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: and then I'd come back and isolate. And that was

755
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: my problem, is isolation. And I realized that once stuff

756
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,959
Speaker 1: get bad, I just removed myself from the stuff.

757
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 2: I do the same thing.

758
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: And it's tough, man, And it's from friends, you know,

759
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: people calling you, people hitting you up, and and luckily, man,

760
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: I got a good group of guys around me. You know.

761
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: Brandley Gilbert was one of them that called me and

762
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: was like, hey, get in that jeep, get your ass

763
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: down to my house for a few days and come

764
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: hang out, you know. And so it was all these things.

765
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: I started realizing, I'm like, I don't like the fact

766
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: that I feel like somebody's driving the ship and I'm

767
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: looking at it.

768
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 2: Did they were you diagnosed as being clinically depressed when

769
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 2: you were started going to therapy?

770
00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: All right? Yeah?

771
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 2: Or were you just like going that I was depressed?

772
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: Uh no, They told me that because I had to go.

773
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: So what it ends up happening? They said that when

774
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: your body has so much going on that there's two

775
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: ways that it reacts, right, and it's either this hyperactive

776
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: thing where that's the nervous people that are you know,

777
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: or it's like paralyzed. And they're like, that's what you

778
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: fighter flight. Yeah, it's fight or flight exactly. Yeah. And

779
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: so that's pretty much what I was what I was

780
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: dealing with, you know. And then and then what's what's

781
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: more messed up about that situation is in your mind,

782
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: you're like, why am I doing this? I know I

783
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: shouldn't be doing this. Why am I not answering this call?

784
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: Why am I not doing this whatever? But it's like

785
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: your body's not It's like I can't go. I want

786
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: to grab that book, but like someone's holding me down,

787
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: you know, And it was the weirdest thing. So I

788
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: think all of that and then starting to notice like

789
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: anger and the different things I didn't like seeing growing up.

790
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: And like I said, I always felt like I was

791
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: a guy that was meant to change the path of

792
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: my my family, and and I just wanted to wanted

793
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: to change it, man. And luckily, you know, somebody at

794
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: Warner stepped in, and a lot like your wife, you

795
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: know something we need people like you need your wife,

796
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: And those situations where it's like, hey, Bobby, because I

797
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: love you.

798
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 2: And I'm always irritated and you don't even understand. You

799
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 2: don't even know what I mean, what I've been through.

800
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 2: And then it's like after like after she tells me

801
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 2: this and I have an hour, I'm like, god, dang,

802
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 2: she was right. She was right. And sometimes she tells

803
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 2: me this and I'm like, you don't even and in

804
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 2: my mind be going, She's been right the other right time.

805
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 2: So still I'm like, you don't even know. It's like

806
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 2: I cannot stop the cycle of telling her she's wrong

807
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 2: when she's always right.

808
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 4: The Bobby cast will be right back, Welcome back to

809
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 4: the Bobby Cast.

810
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 2: I just think, are we have parallel paths here in

811
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 2: a lot of ways, from where we come from, the

812
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 2: culture that we were in, what we were exposed to,

813
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 2: what the people in our towns did. I'm from a

814
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 2: very hard working mill town. Like that's work. You go

815
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 2: and you work, and then you have a few hours

816
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 2: in the evening and then you go to sleep and

817
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 2: you go to work again.

818
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: Right.

819
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 2: And so for me, I always been so scared to

820
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 2: have kids because I don't want to make that mistake

821
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 2: that my biological father did, which he was just gone.

822
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know him now met him. We

823
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 2: don't hate him anymore, but we don't have a relationship.

824
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 2: You coming from where you come from, does that concern

825
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 2: you at all with having children? Because again you can

826
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 2: sit and have the understanding of I'm going into these patterns.

827
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 2: Does that Does it concern you that you would do

828
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 2: that as a dad?

829
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 1: No, because I wanted to break that before that ever happened,

830
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: you know, before I ever have a family. I didn't

831
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:36,479
Speaker 1: want that to be my first reaction. And so because

832
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 1: I feel, I really feel what you're saying, because I've

833
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 1: always kind of battled that too, of like do I

834
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: want to have kids? What if I repeat this process.

835
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,800
Speaker 1: That's my fear, you know. And if I repeat it

836
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: and I don't even know I'm going down that rabbit,

837
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: that pattern, I don't see it, and all of a

838
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: sudden boom, I look up and I'm in it. You know,

839
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: this is not what I wanted. And now I'm dragging

840
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: a kid through. You know what I went through and

841
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: all that as hell, Man, you don't want I would

842
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 1: never want to do that. But then there's also a

843
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:02,879
Speaker 1: part of me, man, and I think over the last

844
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: couple of years, it just really made me feel like

845
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: there's a bigger purpose in life, and that's something I

846
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 1: want to I hope to experience one day.

847
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 2: You know, when you were at and we'll just call

848
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 2: it your therapy camp, that's what I called. I was

849
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 2: at a pretty bad place where i'd have any connections, Like,

850
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 2: I didn't feel true connections with people. I was just numb.

851
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 2: Instead of drinking because I don't drink. I've never drank

852
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 2: because of my biological debt. They all drink, so I've

853
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:34,479
Speaker 2: never drank. But what I would do is I would

854
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,760
Speaker 2: just work just the same thing. Just you just find

855
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 2: something to consume yourself with so you don't feel other things.

856
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 2: And that's what I was doing all the time, all

857
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 2: the time, all the time. And so I had a

858
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 2: couple different friends and I said their names. I don't

859
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:48,919
Speaker 2: think they would care, and it's not a name drop,

860
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 2: but just to acknowledge how important they were at the time.

861
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,959
Speaker 2: Dave Haywood, Oh yeah, he's one of the sweetest guys

862
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 2: from Lady, A very analytical guy but also super creative.

863
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 2: And he was like, hey, man, you're having to run

864
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 2: your own crap and you're also having to like be

865
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 2: creative and think and and you know, come up with

866
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 2: these ideas at the same time you're managing folk. He

867
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 2: was like, if you thought about on site and I

868
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 2: want to go some therapy, I mean, I'd go to therapy,

869
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 2: but I'm not going on something hoity toty therapy. Yeah,

870
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 2: what am I going to live for?

871
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: As I feel that was the same way man.

872
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 2: And so he's like, just think about it. I said, okay, okay.

873
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 2: Nicole Galli and I talked to me about it a

874
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 2: little bit because Nicole and myself and Ross Kaufran had

875
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 2: done this secret writing project together. We'd written all these

876
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 2: songs and did it under a fake name, and so

877
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,240
Speaker 2: we did, and and then it was honestly, Tyler Hubbard

878
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 2: and I had got into a huge fight. A couple

879
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 2: of them. They had like come at me randomly, and

880
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 2: then we'd always like get on the phone and he'd

881
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 2: yell at me, I'd yell at him, and then we'd

882
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 2: be like cool again. And we went to have coffee

883
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 2: once and he was like, bro, you need to go

884
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 2: out to Osie. That's my best tiler of impression. And

885
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 2: I was like, really because he had helped me complete it,

886
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 2: and so it was freaking Tyler.

887
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

888
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 2: Who And We've been up and down in our relationship

889
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 2: for my whole time I've been here, but it was

890
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 2: definitely one of those places we were good. He was like,

891
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 2: it would really help you because I think Tyler and

892
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 2: I very I think that's probably why we but had

893
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 2: sometimes two were very similar.

894
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's at workaholic too.

895
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 2: That guy stop very similar. So I trusted him and

896
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 2: I went and there was an entire group that was together,

897
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,879
Speaker 2: and then there was me and some of the folks

898
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 2: that were like, you won't want to get in a

899
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 2: group because people are gonna know who you are and

900
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 2: you're gonna worry that they're going to be telling folks

901
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 2: stuff off your show. So I did I think six days,

902
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 2: five or six days of eight hours a day.

903
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 1: One on one on one, one on Oh.

904
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 2: I hadn't cried in years, and I remember telling the

905
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 2: lady that same therapist, that same therapist every day.

906
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 1: Right, Oh my goodness. I'm like, that's heavy.

907
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 2: I don't cry. I wish I could cry. I'm like

908
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 2: a bathtub that hasn't been unclothed.

909
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's got like hair in and the waters

910
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 5: like green. There's maybe some book. And she was like, well,

911
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 5: I'm not going to force you to cry, but at

912
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 5: some point it's gonna happen.

913
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 2: Day one, Nope, Day two. Note a couple of things

914
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 2: happened day three. Day four. We did this thing where

915
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 2: you put like a scarf on it and you talk

916
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 2: to it. It's the scarf like reminds you of one

917
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 2: of your relevant Dude, Yeah, it's my grandma who raised me.

918
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:05,399
Speaker 1: Yep.

919
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:06,760
Speaker 2: So she's like, talk to your grandma.

920
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: Boom bude, just gone.

921
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 2: And I couldn't from then on for the next couple

922
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:16,399
Speaker 2: of days, I could not not cry. Yeah, because once

923
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 2: it hit and it was the biggest breakthrough I've ever had.

924
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 1: Mine was I and Ed m R. Yeah done that too,

925
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: That was mine, dude. Mine and I went there very

926
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: and it was funny cause it's a very similar thing.

927
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: They were like, do you want to do the group whatever?

928
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: And I was like, I don't want to stay there,

929
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 1: so I gotta I got a place next to it.

930
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 1: But I was like, I'll I think in my mind

931
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: it was like I just I'll do whatever I got

932
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 1: to do to get out of this, right, and so

933
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:40,800
Speaker 1: just where I need to go, let's go, let's do it,

934
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: and I'll be a part of all of it. So

935
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: the first day I get there and they're doing the group,

936
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 1: which is like, you know, everybody's saying there's strangers in there,

937
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: like they're saying what they're there for, and like some

938
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 1: people were there for, like I mean, they're really going

939
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: through stuff, you know, And it gets I'm like last,

940
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: and everybody's saying and I'm like, then what am I

941
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: going to say? I'm a little mad, you know, like

942
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 1: I've got to going through some anger issues like this

943
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: guy's like his family's falling apart, you know, and I'm

944
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: like and so I just stood up there and I

945
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 1: was like, hey, I don't really know how to say this.

946
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 1: I go, this is my first time doing this, I said,

947
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: but and I debated on if I want to do this,

948
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: and I schod. But Michael Roach is my actual name,

949
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: Michael Ray is a stage name or whatever you want

950
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 1: to call it. I go, I'm a country artist. I go,

951
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 1: here's why I'm here. Blah blah blah. I go, And I,

952
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: oddly enough have the number one song in country radio

953
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 1: right now. And this guy I'll never forget. He was

954
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: sitting over there, and he was an older guy. And

955
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 1: after the group, he comes up to me and that

956
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: kind of opened up everybody and then all of a sudden,

957
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: everybody starts talking a little bit more. And now that group, dude.

958
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: By day two, day three, we were like we're in

959
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 1: a group text, you know, and like really leaning on

960
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: each other. And the one guy had been in therapy

961
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: quite a bit throughout his life, and he was in

962
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: his late sixties, mid sixties, and he told me, he's like, man,

963
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: he goes, you come in here in your early thirties.

964
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: He goes, you won't go through what I've had to

965
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 1: go through. You know, you're doing it now. And and

966
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: we would do the group and then we would do

967
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: a few sessions one on one and then group, and

968
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: there's a few sessions and the group we had to

969
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: do those where you set the hear up. And it

970
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: was that same exact thing to me, man, And it

971
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 1: was like, my grandpa died two weeks before my first

972
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: single came out, and three days before my house a

973
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 1: blue show where all the in Orlando we sold out,

974
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: all radios comeing, they Warner brought everybody in. He passed

975
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 1: away two days before that. And then and then he

976
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 1: was supposed to be the opry and me and him.

977
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: That's how I learned it all. Three weeks after he passed,

978
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: I get an email, Hey, pick your opry date, and

979
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, And so I didn't realize that

980
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 1: I was in the radio tour. So what did I do?

981
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: I go honor my grandfather at the show. That's what

982
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 1: he'd want me to do. Show goes great. I said,

983
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: as guitar that he played for forty fifty years up

984
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: there had a light on it, went to the service,

985
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: wrote us a bituary, did everything right back out on

986
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: the road. And I did that every time someone passed away.

987
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: Didn't mourn never, never, Really, I'm mourned in that moment.

988
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 2: But not you didn't. You didn't have time to like

989
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 2: natally and yeah, and I just.

990
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 1: Left, you know. And then and then I realized I

991
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 1: did that E M D R DMR whichever. Someone messed up.

992
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: But dude, that was why I went, like, I didn't

993
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: know anything about that stuff. But many this one they

994
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: put these prongs in your hand like vibes, and I'm

995
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: closed my eyes and I'm talking. And one of the

996
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: craziest things do that happened on the last day. She

997
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: goes to you, she goes, what do you see now?

998
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: And I go, I see my grandparents in there in

999
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: that door, And I said, my grandma's wearing this white

1000
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: shirt with like some stuff like embroidery on it. But

1001
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: she's not old. She's like in her fifties, see on forties.

1002
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: I said, she's got these coke bottle big glasses on

1003
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: they used to wear in the nineties, and her hair

1004
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 1: prin druss and my grandpa's wearing a blue polo shirt.

1005
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: I describe everything right, And then it hits me. I

1006
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:44,399
Speaker 1: have that photo in my phone, in an old photo,

1007
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: and they were standing there, man, and it was just

1008
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: it was And then again, they tell you to talk

1009
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 1: to them it, which sounds so crazy when you're talking

1010
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:51,720
Speaker 1: right now.

1011
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 2: You know, it sounds crazy to even start doing it.

1012
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 2: But once you start, oh dude, then you're like.

1013
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:57,839
Speaker 1: It's like a baptism. Bro. It's like it's like you're

1014
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: you just you know, bro, you know, I'm bubble ugly crying.

1015
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 1: And it was like that man, I told him, I

1016
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: go if that's the only reason I came, like I

1017
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,439
Speaker 1: felt like this massive. I feel like God just put

1018
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: a took his hand and pulled the way off, you know.

1019
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 1: But it's because al and then got me into that place,

1020
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: and I know how because of Tyler and all them.

1021
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: So it's kind of a weird yeah, weird circle.

1022
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 2: But you know, I guess I never cried. There was

1023
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 2: a little shame for me and crying, not because there

1024
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 2: was any sort of masculinity, like men don't cry. I

1025
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 2: didn't have a male influence really, right, my dad was gone,

1026
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 2: but I didn't even call my dad. But for the

1027
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 2: sake of this, my biological I was gone. I had

1028
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 2: a head football coach who was a father figure ish

1029
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 2: as much as you can be when it's not even

1030
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 2: your kid. Very much disciplined, how a youth director who

1031
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 2: helped but never had a dad, so it was very missed.

1032
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,399
Speaker 2: So my not crying was never oh I can't, men

1033
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 2: don't cry. It was like, people already think I'm weak

1034
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 2: and I'm already the charity case, so I'm not gonna

1035
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 2: cry because I can't show weakness because they already think

1036
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 2: I'm weak. So it was never a masculinity thing, but

1037
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 2: it was a shame in being not as much. I

1038
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 2: didn't feel like people would feel like I had value.

1039
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 2: So I have trouble crying. And even the first time

1040
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 2: I started crying in therapy, I was just so embarrassed.

1041
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,479
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I was just like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

1042
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 2: She was like, great, why are you sorry? And I

1043
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 2: was like, no, no, I shouldn't be doing this. And

1044
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 2: I still struggle with that, but that was a big

1045
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 2: part of that for me, was just crying and not

1046
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 2: apologizing for it.

1047
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think people grew up like we did.

1048
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 1: Sorry is our first go to. Yeah, I apologize. I'm like,

1049
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 1: why did I just apologize? Sometimes I'm sorry? It's like

1050
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: just comes out. And I think it's because growing up, man,

1051
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: you know, my dad was a paramedic firefighter too for

1052
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: twenty something years, and so the PTSD that he never

1053
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,879
Speaker 1: got taken care of until later on in his career. Dude,

1054
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: that I mean it made growing up sometimes hell, you know.

1055
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 2: And he probably didn't even know why he was being

1056
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 2: affected in ways he was being affected.

1057
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 1: Dude. He would wake up in the mill of the night.

1058
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,439
Speaker 1: And I remember one that some of the craziest stuff,

1059
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 1: manbe I was like eight or nine. My parents got divorced,

1060
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,280
Speaker 1: and I was at my grandparents' house and I stayed

1061
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: a lot with them, and my grandpa was, you know,

1062
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: teach me chords on the guitar, and I was always

1063
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 1: over there. He would call it like two in the

1064
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 1: morning and my grandpa coming, hey, wake up, say hey

1065
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 1: your dad. I'm like, hey, hey, you good? Yeah? All,

1066
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,800
Speaker 1: I love you. And that'd be it. Later on in life,

1067
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: I'd ask my dad later on as an adult, I'm like, hey, man,

1068
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: why would you call us like two in the morning,

1069
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 1: you know where we were at? And he goes, Man goes,

1070
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: because I just worked a call on an eight year

1071
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 1: old who God had the same here you know everything,

1072
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 1: And it was like and then the dude, these these

1073
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: men and women are trained to literally me and you

1074
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: go see horror I mean a horror movie in real life,

1075
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: take it to the hospital, do all this stuff, and

1076
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 1: then go you good, Yeah, all right, Hey, we're we're

1077
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 1: back in yeah, or go eat a sandwich, you know,

1078
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: And they push it back in here because they have to.

1079
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: That next call might be right as soon as they

1080
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:48,959
Speaker 1: call in. That next call might be the exact same

1081
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: or worse, or it might be some you know, an

1082
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: older lady slipping fella needs help picking up, or it

1083
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: could be what you just saw. And so he all

1084
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 1: he never got help for that. He never talked to

1085
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 1: anybody and did it. We did. Just came out in anger.

1086
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: He was pissed off because of you know, stuff that

1087
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 1: he had gone through, and it was over controlling and

1088
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: just a lot of like you know, a lot of

1089
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 1: just got whatever can stop the fighting, I'll do.

1090
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 2: That's heavy stuff that I don't think that I think

1091
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 2: about enough either. With the jobs military, I understand, I

1092
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 2: don't even understand, but like I understand that I don't understand,

1093
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 2: like I stand with it. But yeah, even like a

1094
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 2: paramedic you're just see or a police officer. Yeah, man

1095
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 2: aside from the possibility of you dying by some bad

1096
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 2: dude killing you. Just what you're seeing by going to Rex,

1097
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 2: like like, that's some traumatizing stuff.

1098
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, Or hearing like the screams of somebody that's

1099
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: pulling up to a scene and they don't know if

1100
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: their loved one's okay. You know, it's just I mean,

1101
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 1: I and there's a lot that I didn't understand obviously

1102
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,399
Speaker 1: growing up, I'm like, why is my dad this way? Yeah,

1103
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: and it was. He made it made a lot of

1104
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 1: things really tough. But as you get older, I think

1105
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 1: you have empathy. You know. Also when I went to there,

1106
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 1: but we did this like family tree thing. Dude, when

1107
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: you look at it written up, you're like, man, we've

1108
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: been screwed up for generations.

1109
00:45:53,680 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 2: This is generations total pull.

1110
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was. So I think that made me

1111
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 1: have a little more empathy. And then he went and

1112
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: got taught to somebody really figured out, you know, man,

1113
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: you got to you gotta get this stuff straighten out

1114
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: because it's getting where it's hard to live with you,

1115
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: you know. And so I think I think him just

1116
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: going through that stuff really caused it to be harder.

1117
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: And then because of that, it was all, there's so

1118
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 1: much fighting all the time that I would just a

1119
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 1: people pleased. And that was one of the things I

1120
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 1: brought with me into my adult life, I guess, which

1121
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 1: made stuff really hard. And you're like, yeah, i'll do

1122
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: this yet, and then you're panicking because you add too

1123
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: much stuff to your plate. Now you got all this

1124
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: stuff going on. So I think the saying I'm sorry

1125
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: or the people pleasing all this stuff guys like you

1126
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: and I where we grew up. Man, it's just it's

1127
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: it just comes out. You know, I'm crying, I'm sorry.

1128
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: Who are you started for?

1129
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 2: I feel like you have so much perspective, and perspective's

1130
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 2: hard to get because you never want to have to

1131
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 2: get it because for you to have to get perspective

1132
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 2: means a lot of things didn't go right. But it's

1133
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 2: also like the most valuable thing. Perspective and empathy are

1134
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 2: like the most valuable things you could possibly own, but

1135
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 2: you can't own them if you don't do the work

1136
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:57,439
Speaker 2: or go through the crap to get on Yep. Yeah,

1137
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 2: I feel like at this point in your life you

1138
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 2: have had to develop so much perspective, yeah, man, and

1139
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 2: understanding what would you do differently if you could go back,

1140
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 2: because I feel like a little bit this is I

1141
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 2: don't know you that well. You know, I've spent a

1142
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,439
Speaker 2: couple of months. I don't know your ex at all,

1143
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 2: so I have no I know nothing. What would you

1144
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 2: have done differently with that whole relationship? Would you have

1145
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 2: slowed it down a little bit?

1146
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: Yeah? You know, I think too, if I'm being honest,

1147
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: I think being really the only true thing I ever

1148
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: knew about love or marriage was my grandparents, or my

1149
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: aunt and uncle, my gun uncle, my dad's brother him

1150
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,280
Speaker 1: and my aunt Kim. They'd met when they were fifteen

1151
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 1: and fourteen, and that was it for the rest of

1152
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: their life, you know, until my uncle passed away. And

1153
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: so those are the only two things. And I always going, man,

1154
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: I want that. Or I'd go to my friend's house,

1155
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: you know, and i'd see them and their family or whatever,

1156
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: and there was none of the at least obviously when

1157
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: you're over there, they're not showing you what's really happening.

1158
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 1: But I think, you know, I can't speak for her,

1159
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: but I think from it was like, man, look at

1160
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: all this going right, I think she was, you know.

1161
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: I also we weren't around each other a lot, and

1162
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 1: we're both touring arts. Yeah, man, and so you got

1163
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: the one day and that you're trying to cram it

1164
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: in to see each other and do what you know,

1165
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 1: and you're packing and you know you're out again. And

1166
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,760
Speaker 1: so I probably would have slowed things down. I wouldn't

1167
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 1: have been so influenced by I think the people, you know,

1168
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: fans being involved in it, and you know, to be honest,

1169
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: I think I knew in the beginning or around that time,

1170
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 1: that this was something we probably should have slowed down.

1171
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 2: If I could go back, I would not have exposed

1172
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 2: my wife to the public as early as I did.

1173
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 2: And we still waited a while, but I was like,

1174
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 2: you know, I lived my life very openly. She never

1175
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 2: really had an interest in being exposed. Right, exposed is

1176
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 2: a weird word, but just like, you know, really just

1177
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 2: exposing people, because it really made it hard, really hard

1178
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 2: for her because she that's not her favorite thing is

1179
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 2: to be public. She's not trying to be an influencer.

1180
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 2: That's not her life. She's very family oriented, not trying

1181
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 2: to be famous. But what I did by doing it earlier,

1182
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 2: I think it came on so hard and strong for her.

1183
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 2: It was a it was a negative, and she was like,

1184
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 2: I don't like this very much, and I already already

1185
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:18,399
Speaker 2: didn't love it, So I'm just gonna kind of take

1186
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 2: another half step back where I wish I would have

1187
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 2: just waited a little longer in that What was that

1188
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 2: conversation like for you guys, like, Okay, are we going

1189
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 2: to do this? Because I would also think if I

1190
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,399
Speaker 2: were you guys, I would love the attention because two together.

1191
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 1: Oh dude, I mean, I mean, listen, I'm not gonna lie.

1192
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the greatest thing ever.

1193
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: It's cool as shit, you know when you want, you know,

1194
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: and you see Tim and Faith and you know Garthatricia,

1195
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 1: and you know, we were both coming up kind of

1196
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: at the same time, her and I. So it was

1197
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: like it wasn't like one was over here and the

1198
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: other one was, you know, first starting out, it was

1199
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: like we're kind of right there at you said, So

1200
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: it was a lot to celebrate. But yeah, I mean, yeah,

1201
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: it's it's yeah, I'm not gonna lie do it is

1202
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: It's a lot of.

1203
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 2: A lot of perks come with you flatch some of

1204
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:01,359
Speaker 2: the toughness, honestly, like all three hundreds, like look, at

1205
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 2: these two. I don't want to say names. I'm not

1206
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 2: gonna bring her name up because it's not but it's like,

1207
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 2: look at these two together, because sometimes when you put

1208
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:08,839
Speaker 2: two together, it's.

1209
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: Bigger than the absolutely man then the two individual lead. Yeah.

1210
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: And one thing too that we didn't like, we didn't

1211
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 1: do counseling. We didn't do any of that before. And

1212
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 1: I think that and there was moments that I look

1213
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 1: back now and I'm like, why didn't I speak up

1214
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:23,879
Speaker 1: on that? Like that was one of the first times

1215
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:27,240
Speaker 1: I realized her and I are opposite, you know, and

1216
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 1: I'm a very much more extroverted, you know person, and

1217
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 1: she's not. And so there was a lot of different things.

1218
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 1: I come from a big family that, you know, everybody helped.

1219
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: My cousins had keys on my dad's you know, we

1220
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 1: used to just go we'd go and we wouldn't have

1221
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: food at the house, and we'd go just go to

1222
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: my uncle's house and we'd be in there cooking. They

1223
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:47,879
Speaker 1: weren't even home, you know, Like it was just that,

1224
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 1: you know, So there were little things that I think

1225
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: if we would have done that, I think we would

1226
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: have seen that, oh, this isn't We're when when you

1227
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: do have the two at the same time and it's

1228
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: even the same business and it's all the eyes are

1229
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 1: on you, it's very easy to keep that Hey everything's good,

1230
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 1: even when you're home, you know, and you're really not

1231
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: going you're really not addressing issues, you're not really knowing

1232
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: each other. Honestly, it's just like, hey, we're here for

1233
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 1: twenty four hours and I kind of got to do

1234
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: this meeting. I do just this meeting. You going to

1235
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: do dinner at five? Cool? You know, And I don't

1236
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:22,879
Speaker 1: think we really just realized that, man, this is we're opposite.

1237
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 2: At one point on the internet, did you go, I

1238
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:25,800
Speaker 2: can't read this. I can't look at this up anymore

1239
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 2: because one it's either not fear not true, or it's

1240
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 2: just overwhelming for me to see.

1241
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I uh yeah, I thought for a while, I

1242
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,240
Speaker 1: went I went dark for a little bit, just because

1243
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 1: there was there was so much that isn't true, and

1244
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: there's so much that was twisted, and it was just

1245
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 1: like out of nowhere, everybody's just like, oh, look what

1246
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: he did. I'm like, well, what are you talking about? Like,

1247
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 1: first off, none of y'all were around, you know, for

1248
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 1: three years and you don't know anything that happened. You

1249
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 1: just know what this headline on what she has said.

1250
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 1: And because I don't believe in throwing shade at her

1251
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 1: or any of that stuff. We were both learning and

1252
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 1: growing up. And I'm not trying to ruin what she's

1253
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: trying to go into. If she wants to, you know

1254
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 1: what I mean, she gets another relation, I don't. I

1255
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:11,879
Speaker 1: don't want to ruin any of that. I don't want,

1256
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: you know, I hope she has the best success and

1257
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:15,919
Speaker 1: does everything that she wants. I'm not trying to make

1258
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,840
Speaker 1: this this you know, beef. Yeah, between us two, Like listen,

1259
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: both of us dropped the ball in a lot of ways.

1260
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 1: And that's the truth, you know, And so we I

1261
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,879
Speaker 1: didn't show up after, you know, the wedding day because

1262
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: by that point in time, there was a lot of

1263
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 1: stuff that she did show up for and it was

1264
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: just kind of like there's stuff that happened that day

1265
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: where I was like, I'm out, you know. And and

1266
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 1: again I never went to therapeut and never did any

1267
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 1: of this stuff. So it was just I had all

1268
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: this stuff built up, and then I think the fear

1269
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 1: of am I repeating this process? What did I do

1270
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 1: what about you know, and so all of that kind

1271
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: of just it was a lot, man. It really took

1272
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 1: its toll, and I think just we just didn't we

1273
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 1: showed up at two different times. And then then to

1274
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 1: to kind of go back to where you're asking about

1275
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 1: the comments, I had to I had bought my tongue

1276
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 1: a lot, man, because I was your restraint.

1277
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, top notch, just having a restraint period. Even if

1278
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 2: every comment was right or wrong, I would have just

1279
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 2: been in the mix. Yeah, it would have been completely

1280
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 2: unhealthy and for me, and i'd have been but I'd

1281
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 2: have been in it, and I'd made myself worse. But

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00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 2: you never You didn't say anything. He didn't put a

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00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 2: song out, you didn't get in the comments. I mean,

1284
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 2: I don't know how. I don't know how you did

1285
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:24,439
Speaker 2: it if you had good people in your ear.

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00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, I think a lot my management

1287
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: team who was helping me a lot during that time also, Man,

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00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: I just realized too. I went home, I went to Eustless, Florida,

1289
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: and stayed at my uncle and ant's house and they're

1290
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: downstairs and hung with family. And it was at that

1291
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 1: COVID time where no one was working we weren't toaring

1292
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 1: it was. It was Florida, so it was open, you know,

1293
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 1: Florida we were doing. Never got Florida, never got COVID

1294
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 1: yet stopped at the Georgia line. Yeah. So dude, I

1295
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 1: think I just got re and retouched with your roots, man,

1296
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: because you know, I mean, like you were saying, we're

1297
00:53:57,719 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 1: all over the place all the time, and it's very

1298
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 1: easy to get disconnected. And I think I was during

1299
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 1: that ang that that was when I started seeing some

1300
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: of that anger start popping up. And then I went

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00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 1: from oh, you won't say that, Okay, Well now the

1302
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 1: trailer park uses Florida kick comes out, you know, and

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00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 1: I'm like I'm ready to fight, and I'm like, what

1304
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 1: do you say? You don't know anything about this, And

1305
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 1: so I was like, I need to go home, chill

1306
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 1: with my mom, you know, with my buddies, fish with

1307
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 1: my cousin, just do stuff that we did and just

1308
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: reconnecting and push that all away and not even not

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00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: even look at it.

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Speaker 2: It had been hard to even listen to the radio though,

1311
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 2: because you're on all of a sudden, you hear a

1312
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 2: song about you and you're like, mother, oh yeah, I.

1313
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,839
Speaker 1: Just embraced that. I just turned it up. Good for you. Yeah,

1314
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 1: I was like, screw it up, man, let's go.

1315
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Speaker 3: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor.

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Speaker 3: This is the Bobby Cast.

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Speaker 2: Did you write songs that you'd never put out?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there's a couple. I wrote one with my

1319
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 1: buddy John Saderfield and John Stone that might put out

1320
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: at some point, but it's not. It was mainly just honestly,

1321
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Speaker 1: I don't I don't think I actually will. Because we

1322
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 1: were on my bus one day and they came out

1323
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 1: to write, and I was just like, man, because everybody

1324
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 1: kept asking he gonna write a song, you know, just

1325
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 1: I was like.

1326
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Speaker 2: No, because everybody felt like they would have backed. I mean, honestly,

1327
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 2: we're all like, yeah, wow, like he's it's going hard

1328
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 2: on him? True, not true. We don't know. I don't

1329
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 2: know your relationship. I don't know what happened. But it's like, god, dang,

1330
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 2: there's like six songs in every song about you, like,

1331
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 2: how's he not respect FONDI.

1332
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:30,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was, you know, I mean I think

1333
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 1: she could have gone a different way of that, and

1334
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 1: I think it was you know, I think you know, also,

1335
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 1: I don't think people realize we we both we grew

1336
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 1: up and broken broken homes. We know people from our

1337
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 1: hometown Sadly, in small towns, broken homes is more common

1338
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 1: than ever. Now. I know how hard a divorce can be.

1339
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 1: I've seen it, seen it when my parents have seen

1340
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:50,959
Speaker 1: it with buddies of mine. I got friend of mine

1341
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: with four kids. He's hundreds of thousands of dollars and

1342
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 1: still fighting. You know, in there, it's just wow, it's hell.

1343
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 1: We didn't own anything together. We both prenups. I haven't

1344
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: seen her, spoken to her in three and a half years.

1345
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 1: I went my way, she went hers vorce paper sent

1346
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 1: to my manager's office. I signed them, got sent to

1347
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 1: her business manager's office. She signed them. That was it.

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00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:12,800
Speaker 2: That's clean.

1349
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 1: That was clean. It's c There's not this like And

1350
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 1: I'm not downplaying anything, and I'm not downplaying Hardbury, what

1351
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 1: anybody goes through, or any of that. But when you

1352
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 1: look at what my problem was, why are we trying

1353
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 1: to make a financial gain on something that is not

1354
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:28,320
Speaker 1: what is being portrayed? You know, when I see friends

1355
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 1: of mine that have gone through hell and back, you know,

1356
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: on both sides of the fence, man process of a divorce,

1357
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 1: the process through the fighting back and forth. I'm like,

1358
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 1: you know, yes with ours was public. Yes there is

1359
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 1: some answers to fans, Like you said, they feel like

1360
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 1: they needed and a we let them in, so you

1361
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 1: got to you know. But on the on the whole thing,

1362
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 1: I was like, man, this isn't as what This isn't

1363
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 1: what people think it was, you know, and it was

1364
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:54,720
Speaker 1: as clean as it could be. It was a breakup

1365
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 1: with paperwork. I hate that it happened. No one gets

1366
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 1: married to get divorced. I It's something that haunted me

1367
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,919
Speaker 1: for years, you know, made me mad at myself, made

1368
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 1: me you know, you over you played things through where

1369
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 1: I did look back and go, maybe I should have

1370
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,360
Speaker 1: done that different. You know, I think you have no

1371
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:11,839
Speaker 1: other choice in those situations to look in the mirror

1372
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 1: and go, Okay, what what did I What did I

1373
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 1: do out of this?

1374
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 2: What?

1375
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 1: How can I stop what I did? If what I

1376
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 1: contributed to this? How do I not bring this into

1377
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 1: the next and which is how it helped me get

1378
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 1: through all of it, you know. But that was the

1379
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: part that really just kind of stuck to me a lot.

1380
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 1: Was like, man, I don't think people realize like this

1381
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 1: wasn't this like gruesome battle. It was trying to be

1382
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 1: forced to be something way bigger than it was, you know.

1383
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 1: And I think too, that's why I didn't want to

1384
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 1: add any flame to the fire. Yeah.

1385
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 2: It's funny too, is you'll be able to help somebody

1386
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 2: else the way Brandley called you, because I'm thinking I've

1387
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 2: I've had a lot of contents with Branley, both in

1388
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 2: professional settings and like, if we're playing a festival at

1389
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 2: the same place, you just hang with people, right, And

1390
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 2: I like Brandley a lot me too.

1391
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: May it's salt of the earth. What you see is

1392
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 1: what you get. Don't get any better, man.

1393
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, probably pretty scary, dude, if you want to

1394
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 2: be scary towards you, I wouldn't, but.

1395
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 1: I wouldn't shove them in an alley, but.

1396
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 2: Ye, but I would also if I needed something. And

1397
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 2: Brandley and I don't talk a whole lot, but I

1398
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 2: do feel like I've had a connection with Brandley where

1399
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 2: I could call and be like, hey, dude, would you

1400
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 2: help me? And he would come and help me without

1401
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 2: it being said he did that for you. Because Brandley's

1402
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 2: been through some crap.

1403
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, crap that he probably.

1404
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 2: Was like if I handle that different, I would totally.

1405
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 2: And you're doing this now, and what's going to happen

1406
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:23,919
Speaker 2: is and I'm sure of it. It's gonna come around

1407
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 2: where you're gonna be able to do that for somebody now.

1408
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:25,959
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1409
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's that perspective and empathy that you never

1410
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 2: really want to sign up for that paperwork, like, I'll

1411
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 2: have some perspective and empathy because it sucks to have

1412
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 2: it because you had to get it through something.

1413
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't have it before.

1414
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 2: It's so valuable. Yeah, and it rounds you out as

1415
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 2: a person. And I feel like you're like, I mean

1416
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 2: like I'm just looking at you, but I feel like

1417
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 2: you're like happy.

1418
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 1: I am, man, I just feel in a good place.

1419
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 1: I feel I've also allowed you know, I think one

1420
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 1: of the cool things about therapy is it shows you

1421
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 1: how to use tools when you're out of there.

1422
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 2: What I say, like, if therapy doesn't fix you, it

1423
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 2: just give it.

1424
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 1: Gives you tools to understand how to do it. And

1425
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 1: so it's allowed me to win instant before when I

1426
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 1: I help myself feeling that like kind of just sitting

1427
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 1: on the couch. I don't want to do anything. You know.

1428
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's really feel sorry for yourself,

1429
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 1: but in a way, I guess, you know, And now

1430
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 1: I know how to stop that. Now I go, well,

1431
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 1: what am I doing?

1432
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 2: You know?

1433
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 1: Get up, do something, call.

1434
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 2: Somebody, or at least have the awareness that it's happening,

1435
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 2: or at least have the weareness to me is sometimes

1436
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 2: I can't stop it, but I'm like, I know this

1437
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 2: is not good. I know what's happening, and I can

1438
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 2: say something A want and they can. She can help

1439
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 2: me a little bit.

1440
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 1: Man.

1441
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 2: That's I mean, this has been a really good, like

1442
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 2: healthy mind. This is all health and wellness.

1443
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 3: Man.

1444
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 1: I think we might we might have.

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Speaker 2: So this is the new show.

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Speaker 1: This is it.

1447
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 2: Let me say this that Spirits and Demons out now

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00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 2: with Megan Patrick. The new EP, Dive Bars and Broken

1449
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 2: Hearts came out in June, because we're in July, so

1450
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 2: two weeks.

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Speaker 1: Ago, I believe.

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00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's out. It's six tracks. You are you

1453
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 2: on the road a lot? Now? Is it back full?

1454
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah? Man? Yo, it's this year really feels like

1455
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 1: it's like it's twenty nineteen, like the last couple of years.

1456
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 1: It was obviously twenty twenty one was weird. Twenty twenty

1457
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 1: two was more open. You kind of had some of

1458
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 1: the places that were you know, you had a show

1459
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 1: car whatever. But now it's Yeah, me and John Party

1460
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 1: played Barefoot Fest I think in New Jersey and it's

1461
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,960
Speaker 1: like third Thursday, like twenty seven thousand people out there

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01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 1: on a Thursday on the beast. If we're back, Yeah, it's.

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Speaker 2: Full full till congratulations. Man. I just I don't know

1464
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 2: a like an existence that just feels healthy.

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01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 1: Thank you man.

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01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 2: You know that's it's awesome, Like that's where it is. Yeah,

1467
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 2: that's that's what it is. And you're gonna have songs

1468
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 2: to go number one, and you're gonna have seasons that

1469
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 2: you can't get anything to work, and you're gonna get

1470
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 2: back to the number one again. Yes, seasons again. But

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01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 2: that ain't as much as what it's about. It is

1472
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 2: like just that that consistency and knowing that for me,

1473
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 2: like there's value regardless.

1474
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know there's more. We look, we're so

1475
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:48,919
Speaker 1: fortunate to do what we love and we're passionate about

1476
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 1: what we do what we do, but it's not who

1477
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 1: we are.

1478
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I struggle with that. My identity. I really struggle

1479
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 2: with what my identity is. Yeah, say man, I'm working

1480
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 2: towards it. I still suck at.

1481
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 1: He He's just making tomorrow better than today.

1482
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 2: You guys follow Michael Ray at Michael Ray Music, Instagram, TikTok,

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01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 2: Michael Ray Official on TikTok, and you guys check out

1484
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 2: the new music this is out now. Michael, good to

1485
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 2: see buddy

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01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 3: You tue, Buddy, Thank you man, thanks for listening to

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Speaker 3: a Bobby Cast production