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Speaker 1: On this episode of Newsworld. On Monday, President Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: signed the Take It Down Act, bipartisan legislation that enacts

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Speaker 1: stricter penalties for the distribution of non consensual intimate imagery,

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Speaker 1: sometimes called revenge porn, as well as deep fakes created

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Speaker 1: by artificial intelligence. A legislation which goes into effect immediately.

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Speaker 1: Was introduced by Senator Ted Cruz, a Republican from Texas,

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Speaker 1: and Senator Amy Klobushar, a Democrat from Minnesota, and gained

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Speaker 1: the support of First Lady Milania Trump. The law makes

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Speaker 1: it illegal to knowingly publish or threaten to publish intimate

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Speaker 1: images without a person's consent, including AI created deep fakes.

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Speaker 1: It also requires websites and social media companies to remove

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Speaker 1: such material within forty eight hours of notice from a victim.

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Speaker 1: Here to talk about the Take It Down Act, I'm

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Speaker 1: really pleased to welcome my two guests, Senator Ted Cruz,

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Speaker 1: representing the great State of Texas, and Scott Berkowitz, founder

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Speaker 1: and president of Rain, said, Welcome to knuts World.

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Speaker 2: That's great to be with you, Nut.

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Speaker 1: I'm really curious how did you become involved in the

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Speaker 1: Take It Down Acting? How big of impact was the

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Speaker 1: meeting you had with Elliston, Barry and her mom, who

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Speaker 1: had snapchat, refused for nearly a year to remove an

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Speaker 1: AI generated deep fake of the then fourteen year old.

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Speaker 2: What had happened to Alliston was infuriating and it was wrong.

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Speaker 2: And over a year ago, Elliston was then fourteen. She

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Speaker 2: was a freshman in high school and one morning her

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Speaker 2: phone started blowing up. All her friends were texting her.

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Speaker 2: And what had happened is a classmate of hers, who

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Speaker 2: was a boy in her class, had taken a perfectly

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Speaker 2: innocent picture of her from social medi and had used

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Speaker 2: an app that uses AI or artificial intelligence, to create

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Speaker 2: a deep fake, and then sent to all of her

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Speaker 2: classmates in ninth grade what appeared to be naked pictures

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Speaker 2: of Elliston. And the technology is such that it's not

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Speaker 2: a photoshop with someone's head stuck on a body, but

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Speaker 2: it appears perfectly real. But it was entirely fake, and

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Speaker 2: Elliston understandably was in tears. Listen, it's hard to be

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Speaker 2: a teenage girl today. As the father of two daughters,

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Speaker 2: I know the pressures that are on particularly our girls.

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Speaker 2: It was even more frustrating because the way the law was,

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Speaker 2: what the boy had done was not illegal. It was

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Speaker 2: perfectly illegal to do that. The Take It Down Act

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Speaker 2: corrects that now. And what it does is two things. One,

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Speaker 2: it makes it a crime, a felony to post non

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Speaker 2: consensual intimate imagery, either real pictures so called revenge porn,

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Speaker 2: or in Elliston's case, deep fakes of real people. But two,

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Speaker 2: and this goes right to your question, new it puts

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Speaker 2: a legal obligation on the tech platforms to pull the

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Speaker 1: When you'd decided to sponsor the Take It Down Act,

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Speaker 1: I notice she got your colleague, Senator Emmykloboshar. How did

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Speaker 1: you and Amy come together to make this a bipartisan bill.

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Speaker 2: The way the issue came to my attention initially is

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Speaker 2: because Elliston is a Texan and her mom, Anna is

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Speaker 2: a Texan. They live in Alito, Texas, which is North

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Speaker 2: And my staff elevated it to me and we looked

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Speaker 2: at what happened to Alliston and thought it was horrible,

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Speaker 2: and we discovered this was a phenomenon that was happening

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Speaker 2: all over the country. Last year there was a three

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Speaker 2: thousand percent increase in deep fakes, and over ninety percent

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Speaker 2: of the victims are women and teenage girls. And so

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Speaker 2: we drafted the Take It Down Act to fix this problem.

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Speaker 2: And Amy Klobuchar and I worked together quite a bit.

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Speaker 2: We're on two committees together. We're on Judiciary together, and

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Speaker 2: relationship for thirteen years, and so I approached Amien. She's

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Speaker 2: And in fact, the first time I met Elliston and

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Speaker 2: And we're sitting in my office and I asked, I said, well,

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Speaker 2: expressed enormous frustration. She said, you know, this was nine

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Speaker 2: I want you to get the CEO of Snapchat on

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Speaker 2: the phone today. I want those pictures down today. Within

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Speaker 2: two hours, they pulled them down. But it shouldn't take

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Speaker 2: a sitting senator making a phone call to make that

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Speaker 2: happen and to take it down act now that President

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Speaker 2: do not have my consent, they have a federal statutory

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Speaker 1: It's impressive at a time of great partisanship. The bill

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Speaker 1: I mean, they are not many things that have that

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Speaker 1: And I'm curious, how did you craft this to fit

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Speaker 1: within the First Amendment rights.

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Speaker 2: Well, we made it explicitly focused on non consensual intimate imagery.

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Speaker 2: And there are a lot of laws across the country

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Speaker 2: choose to take explicit pictures or videos, and then they

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Speaker 2: have a bad breakup and one or the other decides

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Speaker 2: a grotesque violation of privacy. And those laws have been

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Speaker 2: porn law. The problem is Texas's law did not cover

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Speaker 2: deep fakes. Deep fakes are a new enough phenomenon that

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Speaker 2: most of the laws in place. That's a hole in

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Speaker 2: naked pictures of a fourteen year old girl and a

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Speaker 2: so we define it. It's clear the First Amendment does

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Speaker 2: target an individual. And it's also clear the First Amendment

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Speaker 2: doesn't cover child pornography, and so we put deep fakes

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Speaker 2: in that explicit category. And I'll tell you on the

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Speaker 2: take it down obligation new What we did is we

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Speaker 2: borrowed from an existing legal framework. So there's a long

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Speaker 2: standing law called the Digital Millennium Copyright Act that if

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Speaker 2: you tweet out a song from the Lion King, they'll

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Speaker 2: every tech platform has an office that deals with notice

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Speaker 2: and takedowns where they get notified Okay, this is copyrighted

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Speaker 2: this is nonconsensual intimate imagery, that same office and that

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Speaker 1: I know it says you were developing this. First Lady,

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Speaker 1: Milennia Trump, had been leading a be Best campaign. One

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Speaker 1: of her concerns was online safety. How helpful was she

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Speaker 2: So the First Lady was incredibly helpful. In the last Congress,

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Speaker 2: House leadership had added it to the Continuing Resolution in

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Speaker 2: So it did not pass last Congress. And so this Congress,

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Speaker 2: House leadership has a million different demands in terms of

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Speaker 2: from Elliston directly heard her story. She heard from Francesca Mani,

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Speaker 2: who is a fifteen year old girl in New Jersey

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Speaker 2: who the exact same thing happened to her. That happened

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Speaker 2: more tragic. His son got a direct message from what

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Speaker 2: your parents, to your family, to your friends. And tragically,

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Speaker 2: this young man, Gavin, took his own life. He committed suicide.

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Speaker 2: And Brandon told that story. The time between the first

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Speaker 1: Line, teenage suicide has become a terrible problem and now

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Speaker 1: extends down to like eight, nine and ten year olds,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of it I think comes straight out

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Speaker 1: cell phones. Let me ask you, do you see additional

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Speaker 1: legislation evolving as we learn more about these kinds of problems,

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Speaker 1: and do you think they can evolve in a bipartisan way.

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Speaker 2: I think Congress needs to do more to protect kids online.

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Speaker 2: When you and I were teenagers, their challenges to being

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Speaker 2: Our kids. We give them a phone, and every predator

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Speaker 2: pressures that are on our kids. You look at social media,

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Speaker 2: they push substance abuse, they push self harm, they push

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Speaker 2: example of a build that I want to move is

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Speaker 2: a bill called Keep Kids Off Social Media or COSMA,

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Speaker 2: which I've introduced with Brian Shotts, Democrat from Hawaii, and

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Speaker 2: it does three things. Number one, it prohibits children under

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Speaker 2: media account. Number two, it prohibits tech platforms from using

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Speaker 2: they push particular messages at kids. And then number three,

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Speaker 2: there's a provision in a bill that I introduced separately

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Speaker 2: any schools that receive federal funds have to block social

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Speaker 1: The school issue of internet impacts psychologically is enormous. You

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Speaker 3: You're absolutely right. Creating non consensual intimate images has become

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Speaker 1: The degree to which younger people in particular live in

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Speaker 3: There has been some good action in the states, but

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Speaker 1: Forty eight states had enacted some kind of law criminalizing

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Speaker 3: Were flow to come to the game. I think that

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Speaker 1: So if somebody actually goes out now and deliberately sends

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Speaker 3: We're being optimistic here, but the law gives the federal

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Speaker 3: Sure so RAIN is the largest anti sexual violence organization

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Speaker 1: What does RAIN stand for.

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Speaker 3: Rape of These Incests National Network?

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Speaker 3: We originally started by launching the National Sexual Salt Hotline,

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Speaker 1: For During the twenty one years that you've been doing this,

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Speaker 3: We've seen a huge growth in usage of the National

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Speaker 1: If people do want to call with any help and support,

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Speaker 1: And we'll post both of those on our show page,

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Speaker 1: them that information and help them get to Scott and

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Speaker 1: to his team. I think there's a significant step forward

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Speaker 1: I want to thank you for joining me. Our listeners

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Speaker 1: you to my guest Senator Ted Cruz and Scott Berkowitz.

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