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Speaker 1: trickle out, not just about the lab leake theory, but

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Speaker 1: for your emails. Is it because China is so opaque?

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Speaker 1: Is it because who was not sharing information? Why is

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Speaker 1: this so difficult? There are several reasons Willie Wine's difficult.

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Speaker 1: I think one of the things is that we need

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Speaker 1: better access to all the information. I mean, it's obviously

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Speaker 1: in China's interest to find out exactly what it is,

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Speaker 1: and the is of the natural theory would be defined

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Speaker 1: that link, So you have to keep looking for it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you want openness and cooperation. One of

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Speaker 1: Try to get both a forensic, a scientific and an

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Speaker 1: investigational approach. I think the accusatory part about it is

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Speaker 1: We've got to do it in a combination of diplomacy,

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Speaker 1: scientific forensic investigation, and do it in a way that

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Speaker 1: the people of good faith, not who want to do blame,

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Speaker 1: out what the origin is. Who we're seeing a lot

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Speaker 1: of you know, I didn't even want to describe it,

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Speaker 1: a lot of pointing of fingers and things like that.

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Speaker 1: Keep an open mind and go after the truth. Go

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Speaker 1: after the truth. He says, as if the Chinese Communist

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Speaker 1: a break, friends, This is absurd, absurd, but he's a bureaucrat,

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Speaker 1: very clear theme. Doctor Anthony Fauci has no interest whatsoever

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Speaker 1: These emails are exposing more and more of who doctor

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Speaker 1: held accountable. What do you think are the one of

429
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Speaker 1: the greatest sins that Faucci has created here? There's so

430
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Speaker 1: many things, um, it seems the common theme in the

431
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: in the emails was that Faucci was trying to protect

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00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 1: the bureaucracy from any critiques or even just he wanted

433
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 1: to project this sense onto the nation that he was

434
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: kind of like this all knowing scientists, you know, this

435
00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 1: the foremost infectious disease expert that we kept hearing the

436
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: corporate press echoing and over again to try to sell that,

437
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 1: you know, the US response to COVID nineteen was based

438
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 1: on science, whether it was social distancing masks, all these closures,

439
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,199
Speaker 1: and the reality was that there was never any evidence

440
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: for any of this stuff. But Fauci was more um,

441
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: you know, as a as a really as a politician.

442
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: He understood the power of crafting a narrative that works,

443
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 1: and he used the media to his benefit to craft

444
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 1: these narratives. But largely every single thing, um, it seemed,

445
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: every single thing was a lie and it was based

446
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 1: it was based on nothing, you know, this six foot

447
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,239
Speaker 1: social distancing, and a lot of us, you know, you

448
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: included especially, have been saying this for a while, like,

449
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: where is the evidence. I'm not relying on Fauci's credentials,

450
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: where's the evidence? And you know, the emails kind of

451
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: go to show that they didn't really they were really

452
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: too concerned with evidence. They were just more concerned with

453
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: being in a position of authority. It seems to me,

454
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: Jordan them that that a lot of this was pushed

455
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 1: by we we have these you know, large, expensive, cumbersome

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00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: health bureaucracies here in America and a lot of places

457
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: around the world, and here we are. This was the

458
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: their moment, so to speak, right, this is what we

459
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: have them for. And really, at the beginning of this pandemic,

460
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: if they had told us the truth. It was going

461
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: to be we don't really know how to stop this

462
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: from spreading. A lot of you are going to get it,

463
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Speaker 1: and it's going to take us at least a year

464
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Speaker 1: to get a vaccine out there and start getting the

465
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: people's arms. So do your best. I mean that was

466
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Speaker 1: actually where they were. But they came up with this

467
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: whole framework of mask six foot six feet of distancing lights,

468
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Speaker 1: all your groceries, you know, all these things we were

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Speaker 1: being told. It's it feels like they just came up

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Speaker 1: with a plan so they could have a plan. Yeah,

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00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 1: it seemed like they came up with a plan so

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Speaker 1: they could be seen and perceived as doing something you know,

473
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Speaker 1: morally and scientifically appropriate. And for actually it paid off.

474
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,959
Speaker 1: Like Faucci won a one million dollar prize, he got

475
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Speaker 1: a book deal, he had a Disney crew following him

476
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: around shooting a documentary. I don't even know if the

477
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: White House knew about that, which is kind of fascinating.

478
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 1: But Faucci, he won the battle for you know, public

479
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: of public perception. The problem was just that the science

480
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: wasn't on his side, and he ended up screwing over

481
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: you know, the entire country, and I think his decisions

482
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: impacted not only the United States but the entire world

483
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Speaker 1: who looked to him for guidance. And he was really basically,

484
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Speaker 1: you know, the equivalent of a quack quack doctor at

485
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Speaker 1: the entire time. We're speaking to Jordan Shacktel, investigative journalist

486
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Speaker 1: who's been covering COVID from I mean, I think I

487
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 1: would say a contrarian perspective is fair. And I've been

488
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: doing the same thing Jordan, because to go against the

489
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: consensus in any way, you're considered some kind of you know,

490
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: radical contrarian on all this stuff. So I have to

491
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: wonder what is the role of Peter Dajak. I'm not

492
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: sure I'm saying his name right, But this guy, Peter

493
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: Dajac and all this, who was the one who directed

494
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Speaker 1: some of the funding to the Wouhan Institute of Virology.

495
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: What do we know about this guy? Yeah, so it

496
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: seems like he was running some kind of like middleman

497
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: operation between the US government. He actually I've never interacted

498
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: with this guy in social media and he's blocked me

499
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: and like every single platform says like, oh, that's kind

500
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: of weird. But he seemed to be the intermediary between

501
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: the Chinese communists and the US health bureaucracy, especially when

502
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: it came to like funding this kind of this sketchy research,

503
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: they preferred not to do it directly. So he was

504
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: like this like black market type situation, NGO, very sketchy.

505
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: There's so much sketchy stuff going on in that in

506
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Speaker 1: that world. Even though you know these government health institutions

507
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: have a history of dangerous and reckless behavior, they seem to,

508
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: you know, try to find cutouts to avoid congressional scrutiny.

509
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: And he seemed to be an integral player in that mess.

510
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: Of all the decisions Jordan that have come down from

511
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: the health bureaucrats during this in retrospect, I mean, which

512
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: is the one that you find the most egregious, Whether

513
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: it's the suppression of the lab leak theory, the enormous

514
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: about face on masks, the lockdown mantra, all this stuff,

515
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: which is the one that, for you is just the

516
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: most inexplicable and destructive. Yeah, it just had to be

517
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: the lockdowns and the messaging about the lockdowns and the

518
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: confidence they expressed when they were really just weighing it

519
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: the entire time. And that's you know, the most discippointing

520
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: thing is how much damage they did to our global

521
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: society because they expressed false confidence and really had no

522
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: idea what was going on. I mean, we've been talking

523
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: about this for so long that the lockdowns had never

524
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: been tried before on this scale in human history, and

525
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: it was all based on a you know, Chinese communist

526
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: model out of Wuhan, China, and it was so destructive

527
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: and countries are still attempting lockdowns to this day. Australia

528
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: just went into another lockdown. It's just the lockdowns I

529
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: think have been by far the most damaging because it

530
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: shuts down the economy, it creates, you know, a paranoid society,

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Speaker 1: and it's going to take so many years to recover

532
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: from that that, Yeah, it's got to be the lockdowns.

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Speaker 1: Do you think we're ever going to really find out

534
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: what happened with this virus in the early days? I mean,

535
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: do you think where we're going to find out where

536
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: it really came from and what the Chinese Communist Party

537
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: did to make sure that the world didn't know where

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00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: it started. I hope so. And the role of social

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00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: media in censoring these voices who were trying to talk

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00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: about this. You know, there was a lot of legitimate

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00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: expert virologists and you know, other scientists in biological fields

542
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: who are trying to identify, you know, if any of

543
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,479
Speaker 1: this stuff was genetically engineered and whatnot. And I think

544
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: it's time to you know, get these people back into

545
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: the spot. Like. Unfortunately, you know, these these Facebook, Twitter,

546
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: Instagram folks basically like censored these people out of the

547
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: conversation and marginalize them completely. So we need to, you know,

548
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: elevate the voices of actual experts who can get to

549
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: the bottom of this stuff. Jordan Shack tell everybody he's

550
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: been on this for the whole time, from begin one

551
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 1: of the few voices willing to be brave on this,

552
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: because if you wanted to be correct, you had to

553
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: be willing to go against the Fauci consensus. Go to

554
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: substack dot dot sia dot com for Jordan's latest Jordan,

555
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 1: thanks so much, man, appreciate it. Thanks book. There was

556
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: an email on April sixteenth, an email exchange between you

557
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: and NIH director Francis Collins. The email sent to you said,

558
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory gains MOMENTU and this again was the idea

559
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: of the lab league. Those emails though, as you can

560
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:05,479
Speaker 1: see on the screen, or I can see on the screen,

561
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 1: was all redacted between you and Francis Collins. Do you

562
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: have to remember? Do you remember, John? They only took

563
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,760
Speaker 1: about ten thousand emails from me. Of course I remember,

564
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: I remember all ten thousand of them. Give me a

565
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: break to be clear. You're saying you don't remember, you

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00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: can't tell us. But what was in the body of that.

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00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,919
Speaker 1: I don't remember what's in that redacted? But there I mean,

568
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: the idea I think is quite far fetched that the

569
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Speaker 1: Chinese deliberately engineered something so that they could kill themselves

570
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Speaker 1: as well as other people. I think that's a bit

571
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: far out, John, That's not what most of the people

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00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: who are pushing the lab leak theory believe happened. But see,

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Speaker 1: this is a version of what we've seen before from Fauci.

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Speaker 1: Avoid the avoid the main argument by by attacking these

575
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: diversionary arguments. It's not that the Chinese intentionally released this

576
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: virus in their own population first and then hope that

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00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: because China has a billion people, they were going to

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00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: come out ahead of the rest of the world, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's actually not the argument Now some people

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00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 1: may be arguing that, but what many of us are

581
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 1: saying is China was involved in doing this kind of research.

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Speaker 1: It was a place that the facilities, as we know,

583
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: had already had leaks in the past four leaks. I

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00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: believe that after the Stars scare, where you had about

585
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: seven hundred plus people die globally, but that was if

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00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: you got stars, you were in very very dire situation

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00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: of the much much higher mortality than what you had

588
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 1: from COVID nineteen. But the Stars situation created this sense

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00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: of urgency for the need to study these kinds of viruses.

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00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: And so what we're saying is that they were studying

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00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,879
Speaker 1: it and then it got out and there was gain

592
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 1: and function research going on. So they weren't just they

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00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: didn't just collect viruses and look at them and try

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Speaker 1: to understand them. They collected viruses and were toying with them,

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00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 1: changing them, and then one of those viruses that does

596
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 1: occur naturally in nature got out of the lab and

597
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: then spread all over the world and killed millions of people.

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00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: That's the basis of the theory. But see what Fauci

599
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: wants to do is tell everybody, oh, they're just these

600
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: crazy people out there who were talking nonsense. There's just

601
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: all this absurd stuff. Why should anything really in these

602
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,919
Speaker 1: emails be redacted? Think about that for a moment. This

603
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: isn't this isn't the CIA. They're not worried about sources

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00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: and methods. Why are there redactions in these emails from

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Speaker 1: the the nih you know, head of NAIAD, the National

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Speaker 1: Institive alergye Infectious Disease, which is under the umbrella of

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Speaker 1: the National Institute of Health. M Well, Fauci's just full

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Speaker 1: of it. He's skating all over the place here, trying to,

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00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: as you know, I always say, evade accountability. Here he

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00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 1: is on something near and dear to my heart. It's

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00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: all talk about masks in these emails, and how Matt

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00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: basically mocking the notion that masks are going to save

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Speaker 1: you from COVID. I mean it's really not. It's just

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00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: which we all know, right, masks they don't really do anything.

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00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: Can we finally? I love that we can finally say

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Speaker 1: that without everyone freaking out. I mean we said they

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Speaker 1: don't do anything. You know, you may you may prevent

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00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 1: yourself from you know, getting wet if you go out

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00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,720
Speaker 1: in the rain by holding a coke can over your head.

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Speaker 1: But is that an effective means of stopping you from

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00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,879
Speaker 1: getting wet in a rainstorm? But right, I mean, at

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Speaker 1: some point it's just it's just dumb. It doesn't work

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Speaker 1: well enough for anyone to care. I think that's where

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00:38:56,239 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: we are with cloth masks against this aerosolized virus. But

625
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:05,720
Speaker 1: here's Bouchy on that point, specifically Play twelve. Well, you know, John,

626
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 1: let's get real here. If you look at scientific information

627
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: as it accumulates what is going on in January and February,

628
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: what you know as a fact, as data guides what

629
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: you tell people and your policies. If March April may occur,

630
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 1: you accumulate a lot more information, and you modify and

631
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: adjust your opinion and your recommendation based on the current

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00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 1: science and current data. So, of course, if we knew

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Speaker 1: back then that a substantial amount of transmission was asymptomatic people,

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Speaker 1: if we knew then that the data show that masks

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Speaker 1: outside of a hospital setting are actually do work when

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Speaker 1: we didn't know it. Then if we realize all of

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00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 1: those things back then, of course, asking a question, would

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Speaker 1: you have done something different if you know what you

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00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: know now? Of course, people would have done that. That's

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00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 1: so obvious. Where's that data? Fouch on the masks working

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Speaker 1: outside of a hospital setting? Where where's that data? Oh?

642
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Speaker 1: You mean the lab studies with spray bottles? Yeah, laughable garbage.

643
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Speaker 1: Criticizing such things as the sixteen nineteen project, you know,

644
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Speaker 1: which tends to put that in date as something uniquely American.

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Speaker 1: There was a lot of slavery going on around the

646
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Speaker 1: world in the early sixteen hundreds. We fought the Civil

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Speaker 1: War in order to put our original sin behind us.

648
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Speaker 1: We passed the Voting Rights Act in nineteen sixty five

649
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Speaker 1: in order to further enfranchise minorities in our country. It's

650
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Speaker 1: been a long arc of trying to improve race relations

651
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Speaker 1: in this country. But I think trying to come completely

652
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: denigrade and downgrade American historical moments like seventeen seventy six,

653
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Speaker 1: seventeen eighty seven, nineteen sixty five critical moments is a mistake.

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Speaker 1: But I don't think the government's any better at prescribing

655
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Speaker 1: what ought to be taught than the universities themselves. But

656
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: they ought to be open to criticism about what they're doing.

657
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Speaker 1: So what exactly is Mitch McConnell saying about the solution.

658
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Speaker 1: Here he identifies when it comes to critical race theory,

659
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Speaker 1: much of the problem correctly. He understands that CRT seeks

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Speaker 1: to minimize, you know, the same way they accuse people

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Speaker 1: of minimizing the role of slavery in America from its origins,

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Speaker 1: and the sixteen nineteen Project does exactly that. We can say, well,

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Speaker 1: the other side minimizes that we had a civil war

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Speaker 1: in this country, a brutal, bloody civil war or that

665
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Speaker 1: killed hundreds of thousands of Americans, wounded many times more

666
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Speaker 1: than that, grievously wounded, people lost eyes, legs, arms, and

667
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Speaker 1: we fought a war to end slavery in this country.

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Speaker 1: And then after that went through a century or so

669
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Speaker 1: of continued effort to make real the promise of equality

670
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Speaker 1: fought for by the Union in the Civil War. And

671
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Speaker 1: we're just told that by cr team at the sixty

672
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Speaker 1: nineteen project not enough, not enough, not even close, not acceptable.

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Speaker 1: America's a racist, bad place. Really. Mitch McConnell pointed out

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Speaker 1: that there was a lot of slavery going on in

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Speaker 1: the world of the sixteen hundreds. That's true. In fact,

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Speaker 1: one of the places with the longest reach when it

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Speaker 1: came to the slave trade were the Barbary states of

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Speaker 1: North Africa. This is something that is often not taught

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Speaker 1: at all in schools. In fact, talk about something that's

680
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Speaker 1: that is edited out of basic history for people. We

681
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Speaker 1: fought our first foreign war against the Barbary pirates right

682
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 1: to the shores of Tripoli because President Jefferson had had

683
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Speaker 1: enough of our people, Americans being enslaved by Muslim Arabs

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Speaker 1: in North Africa, taken off of ships, the men worked

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Speaker 1: to death and the women used in sexual slavery for

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Speaker 1: harems of wealthy Muslim Arabs in places like Tripoli and

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Speaker 1: what is presently today Algeria and Tunisia and Morocco. Right

688
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: that was going on for hundreds of years. Straight up slavery,

689
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Speaker 1: the Muslim slave trade of European Christians and American Christians

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Speaker 1: was what was happening. And they went as far as

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Speaker 1: These slaving raids or slave raids went as far as Iceland, Ireland,

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Speaker 1: all up and down the coasts of Italy and Spain.

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Speaker 1: They would seize white Christians and put them into into slavery,

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Speaker 1: and in fact, they often were worked in minds in

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Speaker 1: North Africa until they died. And they died rapidly because

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Speaker 1: of the absolutely horrific conditions, and the women were taken

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Speaker 1: in prize for sexual slavery in the Harems. That's what

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Speaker 1: was going on for hundreds of years. Friends. You don't

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Speaker 1: often hear about this, do you. This is not something

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Speaker 1: that's really taught very much, but it's true. All throughout

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Speaker 1: the sixteen hundreds, all throughout the seventeen hundreds, this was reality.

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Speaker 1: And the Ottoman Empire, which is often talked about by

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Speaker 1: leftist historians as this, you know, great and sophisticated and powerful.

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Speaker 1: It was powerful, and it did end up accumulating a

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Speaker 1: lot of other cultures knowledge and advancements. You'd call it

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Speaker 1: cultural appropriation if you want, including the Byzantine Empire, the

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Speaker 1: Eastern Orthodox Christian Empire that came before it. But the

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Speaker 1: Ottoman Empire was built as a slave empire. Does anybody

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Speaker 1: want to try to go back in history and look

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Speaker 1: at this and come to a different conclusion, I welcome

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Speaker 1: them to try. Massive slave trade from the Muslim Ottomans.

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Speaker 1: The slave trade existed in Sub Saharan Africa at the

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Speaker 1: time of the Transatlantic slave trade, and in fact, as

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Speaker 1: we know, the white slave traders who would show up

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Speaker 1: along the West African coast of what is today the

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Speaker 1: coast of Well coast of West African, including places like

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Speaker 1: night Jeria and and some of the smaller African states

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Speaker 1: alongside it. They would use the existing slave network inside

719
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Speaker 1: of Africa, where tribes would enslave other tribes and then

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Speaker 1: they would be sold to the white Transatlantic slave traders

721
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Speaker 1: in what is unquestionably a horrific, inhumane, deeply immoral practice.

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Speaker 1: Many well, I can't even tell you the numbers, there'd

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Speaker 1: be estimates, but large percentage of those those enslaved Africans

724
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Speaker 1: died in that in transit, held in just the most

725
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Speaker 1: disgraceful conditions imaginable. So this is just to say that

726
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: these are horrific things. They should not have been done,

727
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Speaker 1: but human beings have been terrible to each other for

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Speaker 1: a long time. This is not new and this is

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Speaker 1: not unique to America. So if we're really going to

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Speaker 1: talk about this, if we're going to discuss the history

731
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Speaker 1: of slavery and depression, let's really discuss it through history

732
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Speaker 1: and all over the world, the Aztec Empire, you'll often

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Speaker 1: hear about how the conquest of the America's involved the

734
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Speaker 1: terrible treatment of the indigenous population here, right, and now

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Speaker 1: you have this new new term that is meant to

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Speaker 1: bring greater attention to indigenous populations bipoc, right, black indigenous

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Speaker 1: people and people of color. Well, the indigenous population of

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Speaker 1: the Americas was when you're talking about the Aztec Empire,

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Speaker 1: for example, they were not only engaged in massive slavery,

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Speaker 1: enslaving tribes and treating people like property, but also massive

741
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: human sacrifice. So we're going to talk about morality. You

742
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Speaker 1: start to look at what's going on here in places.

743
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Speaker 1: And remember we're talking about fifteen hundreds, talking about sixteen hundreds,

744
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Speaker 1: We're talking about periods of time here that are roughly equivalent.

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Speaker 1: You could go back into slavery in the Bible and

746
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: the Jews in Egypt, and right, there's a reason why

747
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 1: throughout history when you look for slavery you find the

748
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Speaker 1: Roman Empire built on slavery. This, you know, human oppression

749
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 1: of other humans has been a constant in this country.

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Speaker 1: We actually had, thanks to the Constitution or the Declaration

751
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 1: of independence, thanks to the basic framework of our government,

752
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: we had the beginnings of the end of human bondage

753
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: and slavery put in place here. It wasn't as fast

754
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Speaker 1: as we wanted it to be. It wasn't as fast

755
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: as it should have been, right, And that's it's understandable

756
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: that we can go back and say that we wish

757
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: this had moved along much more quickly than it did.

758
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Speaker 1: But to ignore that process and to pretend that there

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00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: haven't been tremendous sacrifices made by many people outside of

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Speaker 1: the minority community. Isn't it fascinating how you never get

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00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: to say in this country, you're told, under critical race

762
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: theory and the sixteen nineteen Project view of America, you're

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Speaker 1: told that there's a degree of guilt that you have

764
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Speaker 1: just by nature of being white. Right, if you're white,

765
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 1: you're part of the oppressive class in America. This is

766
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Speaker 1: central to critical race theory. This is central to the

767
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: teachings of the deconstructionists like Derita, these far left intellectuals.

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Speaker 1: I mean, really, if you go back and see you

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Speaker 1: can trace critical race theory to those who believe in

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Speaker 1: who are putting forward moral relativism and the fashionable Marxist

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00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:48,240
Speaker 1: philosophies of European professors and European intellectuals from the nineteen

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Speaker 1: sixties and the nineteen seventies. That's where we get all

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Speaker 1: this critical race theory teaching. It's really the beginnings of

774
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: the origins of it, and then critical race theory just

775
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,879
Speaker 1: tries to codify it into law. Critical race theory takes

776
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Speaker 1: it a step further and says, well, we're going to

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Speaker 1: explicitly pursue political power as a component of this, and

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00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 1: that that's where we currently are. But you'll notice that

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Speaker 1: it's it's never something you can say, well, you know

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Speaker 1: my ancestors, my ancestors fought in the Union. You know

781
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: I lost, and some of my some of my ancestors

782
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Speaker 1: died fighting to end slavery. So do I get if

783
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Speaker 1: I get the downside of being white in America today

784
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: under the description of race relations forwarded by critical race theory,

785
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Speaker 1: Do I get to make a case that, well, my ancestors, actually,

786
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Speaker 1: some of them gave their lives fighting against the practice

787
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Speaker 1: of slavery? Does that know? No, of course, And then

788
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Speaker 1: you get into why am I even being held to

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Speaker 1: any standard based upon my ancestors. You should not hold

790
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,359
Speaker 1: the son guilty for the sins of the father. You

791
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: certainly shouldn't hold somebody guilty for the sins of their

792
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Speaker 1: great great great grandfathers and yet to crt grapple with

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Speaker 1: any of this. No, it is racial Marxism. It is

794
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:09,720
Speaker 1: meant to tear this country apart and elevate the few

795
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: at the expense of the many, elevate those who run

796
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 1: the apparatus under the pretense that they're helping those who

797
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 1: are oppressed, but really they just want to be the

798
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 1: ones doing the oppressing. Right Otherwise, explain to me what

799
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Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden and all these prominent Democrats,

800
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 1: what do they think they're really accomplishing with this the end,

801
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: it's just about power. It's certainly not about an accurate

802
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 1: reading of history. That's fine, I'm all for an accurate

803
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:45,800
Speaker 1: reading of history. I'm not for the politicized, an exaggerated

804
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: version of specific points in history meant to justify abuse

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00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 1: of constitutional rights and equality under the law today