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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to the Jim Acosta Show. It's Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: You can see on screen there is Steve Schmidt. Always

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Speaker 1: loved talking to Steve Schmidt. And you know you and

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Speaker 1: I booked this appearance a week ago or so, and

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Speaker 1: it just so happens you are the perfect guest to

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Speaker 1: talk about what we're going to talk about first, and

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Speaker 1: that you are an advisor to Arizona Senator John McCain

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Speaker 1: presidential candidate John McCain, Maverick John McCain. And you have

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Speaker 1: another Arizona Senator in the last twenty four hours being

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Speaker 1: referred to as a trader by Elon Musk. That's where

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Speaker 1: we are right now in America, ladies and gentlemen. You

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Speaker 1: have Elon Musk, the world's richest man ahead of Doge,

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Speaker 1: talking about slashing things like social Security. He calls social

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Speaker 1: Security a Ponzi scheme. He's got his minions running through

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Speaker 1: agencies at the federal government vacuuming up people's personal data. Well,

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Speaker 1: yesterday Washington Post reporting this that Elon Musk called Mark Kelly,

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Speaker 1: Senator from Arizona, a decorated Navy pilot and former NASA astronaut,

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Speaker 1: a trader in a post on X after the Senator

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Speaker 1: visited Ukraine and expressed his support for the country and

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Speaker 1: it's war with Russia. I mean, I said this the

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Speaker 1: other day, Steve, after you know, Trump gave a speech

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Speaker 1: before Joint Session of Congress. I said it the other

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Speaker 1: day when Lindsey Graham, you know, came out and was

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Speaker 1: trashing Zelensky. John McCain would be rolling in his grave

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Speaker 1: over all of this. But to have Elon Musk refer

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Speaker 1: to Senator Kelly, a veteran an astronaut, as a trader,

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Speaker 1: you know, can we can we put Elon Musket a

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Speaker 1: spaceship and launch him into outer space. I mean your.

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Speaker 2: Thoughts, well, great to be with you, Jim, and good

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Speaker 2: to see everybody. Let me just say this that what

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Speaker 2: Elon Musque said does not indict Captain Mark Kelly US

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Speaker 2: Navy's character. It indicts Elon Musk's and it shows this

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Speaker 2: profound arrogance, a unbridled meglomania, an assertion really of mental

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Speaker 2: illness fused with a malevolent political dogma. That is a acute

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Speaker 2: national emergency in a growing global crisis. And so what

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Speaker 2: we saw here is a venomous strike by a serpent

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Speaker 2: at the leg of a great American, and so Captain

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Speaker 2: Kelly has the right stuff. There's a book about this.

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Speaker 3: This man great Movie is an aircraft carrier, qualified combat aviator,

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Speaker 3: who has flown into harm's way, who stood by his

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Speaker 3: wife's side through a terrible event when she was shot

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Speaker 3: in the head deranged assassin at a town hall meeting.

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Speaker 3: A man of rectitude and probity.

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Speaker 2: If you are a mother or a father, you want

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Speaker 2: your child to grow up to be Mark Kelly. In

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Speaker 2: this country that was forged by great men and women

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Speaker 2: into the greatest nation in the world, all of those

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Speaker 2: people had to deal with low men and women. And

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Speaker 2: so when Donald Trump attacks John McCain, he attacks all

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Speaker 2: of the POWs. He attacks Admiral Stockdale, he attacks the

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Speaker 2: men of the eighth Air Force in the fifteenth Bomber

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Speaker 2: of the Second World War. He repudiates our history, and

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Speaker 2: he poisons our virtues. And the lifeblood of a nation

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Speaker 2: is not wealth, it's not riches, it's valor to commitment

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Speaker 2: to human dignity. And Mark Kelly's life of excellence refutes

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Speaker 2: Elon Musk's incandescent bullying and arrogance and bluster through action. Indeed,

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Speaker 2: that makes Elon's words as cheap as his ideology.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, to me, you know what, how

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Speaker 1: does Elon Musk have the time, quite frankly, to go

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Speaker 1: after the character of a Mark Kelly when he's so

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Speaker 1: busy blowing up rockets, presiding over a car company whose

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Speaker 1: stock has plummeted in the last couple of weeks, is

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Speaker 1: presiding over this doge effort that has I mean almost

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Speaker 1: united the entire country against what he's doing. But on

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Speaker 1: top of that, you know, there's there's a better question here,

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Speaker 1: and that is in it it ties to Trump. Is

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Speaker 1: there a kind of desperate envy going on here? A sad, pathetic,

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Speaker 1: desperate form of envy. Mark Mark Kelly is is twice

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Speaker 1: the man, five times the man that Elon Musk will

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Speaker 1: ever be. He's he's five times the man Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: will ever be. And I and I wonder if that's

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Speaker 1: part of the reason why Donald Trump went after John

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Speaker 1: McCain and said I like heroes that aren't captured and

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Speaker 1: that sort of thing. And and Elon Musk goes after

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Speaker 1: Mark Kelly when he goes to Ukraine and says, you know,

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Speaker 1: these are the people we must stand behind, and the

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Speaker 1: struggle for freedom and the struggle for democracy, the struggle

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Speaker 1: against tyranny. And there's just something sad about Elon musk

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Speaker 2: Well, so I'm gonna I'm gonna divide the question and

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Speaker 2: let's stay on Elon Musk.

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Speaker 4: Ye.

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Speaker 2: And so I was in Germany two weeks ago, and

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Speaker 2: asked a version of the question that you did, which

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Speaker 2: is which is why?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: And I said, maybe it's because he's a Nazi. Great

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Speaker 2: and parents were. They were Canadian Nazis who never had

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Speaker 2: the chance to live in the Reich, so they moved

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Speaker 2: to South Africa. And maybe when he did the Hitler

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Speaker 2: salute three hours after the inaugural three times, he was

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Speaker 2: trying to tell you something. And maybe, just maybe, when

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Speaker 2: you look at the brutalism of his ideology, the rise

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Speaker 2: of his techno fascism, you can give consideration that he

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Speaker 2: has a meaningful intent to obliterate something sublime and divine,

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Speaker 2: which is the notion that our purpose is the pursuit

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Speaker 2: of happiness. Elon Musk in attacking the Polish foreign Minister

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Speaker 2: Radoslaw Sikorski, I think revealed for all of us how

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Speaker 2: he thinks about all of us because he called him

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Speaker 2: a little man. Well, from Elon Must's point of view,

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Speaker 2: we're all little men and women, aren't we insignificant? And

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Speaker 2: if you look at his treatment of people who work

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Speaker 2: that they're insects and trust right, even if you agree

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Speaker 2: that the government has bloated and that there should be

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Speaker 2: a massive downsizing, there is a respectful way to treat

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Speaker 2: human beings who have spent their careers in a position

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Speaker 2: of service. But the dogma that Elon Must is advancing

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Speaker 2: is a dogma of a new tech feudalism. And so

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Speaker 2: the soft and muddled, benign, Silicon Valley tech utopianism of

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Speaker 2: right now is an assertion of control. These men are

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Speaker 2: going for They are a moment right now, and they

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Speaker 2: must be stopped. And so there are a pre vifurcated

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Speaker 2: things that are happening right now. One, there's an absolute

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Speaker 2: collapse of political opposition in Washington, DC, with few exceptions

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Speaker 2: within the Democratic Party under the appeasement wing of the

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Speaker 2: Schumercrats and the sleepiness of Hakim Jeffery's leadership. And in

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Speaker 2: the cont tree the tip of an uprise. And so

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Speaker 2: there is as a fruit of that uprising, chaos in

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Speaker 2: the financial markets. Yes, I mean lapse of the testless stock.

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Speaker 1: That's right just now. And I've been calling what we've

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Speaker 1: been seeing lately the Great American pushback. I'm very patriotic

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Speaker 1: about what we're seeing right now. I think it's something

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Speaker 1: that should give a lot of people hope for what

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Speaker 1: is taking place. When thousands of people pack themselves into

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Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders rallies, it's not just the folks who are

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Speaker 1: showing up these Republican town halls and giving them a

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Speaker 1: showing up at any town hall. And this is the

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Speaker 1: your elected leaders know that you are not on board

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Speaker 1: with this bullshit. And I mean you talk about Elon

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Speaker 1: Musk and the way he looks at people as insects

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Speaker 1: and so on. I mean, the way he's talking about

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Speaker 1: social secure. Steve, You've been in American politics for a

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Speaker 1: long time. In what way, shape or form has anybody

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Speaker 1: ever talked about social security? I mean to I mean,

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Speaker 1: just in the last twenty four hours, he has talked

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Speaker 1: prompted the White House to come out and say just

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Speaker 1: today that oh no, no, Donald Trump, don't worry, He's

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Speaker 1: all on board with social Security. He's going to protect

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Speaker 1: I mean to me, what this speaks to is what

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Speaker 1: you just said a few moments ago. At what point

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Speaker 1: are they ever going to have the opportunity that they

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Speaker 1: and so they Yes, You're absolutely right, they are going

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Speaker 1: to go for it. And when Elon Musk talks about

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Speaker 1: the last twenty four hours with cutlower or whatever it was,

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's the tell right there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to say something and I want to

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Speaker 2: preface it by saying everything I talk about is through

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Speaker 2: the prism of civil disobedience and peaceful, non violent protest.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 2: So contact has been made on a line in an

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Speaker 2: assault that was aggressively waged by Trump and Elon Musk,

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Speaker 2: and now all over America that assault is in contact

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Speaker 2: with the American people, and the American people are called

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Speaker 2: to rise up against this. So our public lands are

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Speaker 2: must rise up again. That. But there is no point

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Speaker 2: that is more important to gather at in every Tesla

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Speaker 2: dealership in this country. They must be blockaded. There must

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Speaker 2: be a constant, absolute application of pressure on this administration

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Speaker 2: until these illegal, un constitutional and immoral actions stop, including

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Speaker 2: the threats against Canada, the threats against our allies. And

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Speaker 2: this will not be led by the sumocrats, who are

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Speaker 2: effectless and incapable. It will be led in communities bottom up.

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Speaker 2: The courage of one will give courage to others. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: go stand outside to test the dealership with a sign alone.

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Speaker 2: I promise you you will not stand alone for long.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Pushback on this, Yeah, I mean, I've seen the

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Speaker 1: bumper stickers that people have put on their tesla's saying,

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Speaker 1: you know, I bought this before I figured out that

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Speaker 1: Elon Musk was crazy, and and that's the kind of

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Speaker 1: stuff that you're seeing out there. I do want to

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Speaker 1: I mean, I did not foresee us having a financial

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Speaker 1: It just it seems like it's going in a bad place.

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Speaker 1: And you know, when you've lost Jim Kramer, you know

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Speaker 1: you're in some deep shit. Mediat reporting, CNBC host Jim

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Speaker 1: Kramer went off on Trump for fueling recession fears and

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Speaker 1: cratering the stock market, noting competitor markets are crushing us

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Speaker 1: and accusing Trump of potentially quote manufacturing end quote a recession.

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Speaker 1: Jim Kramer is speculating that Donald Trump is manufacturing a recession.

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Speaker 1: The stock market was down, the Dow Jones was down

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Speaker 1: another four hundred and seventy eight points today. Trump, despite

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Speaker 1: all of this, said he's got this plan to double

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Speaker 1: tariffs on steel and aluminum from twenty five percent to

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Speaker 1: fifty percent. He again referred to Canada as they should

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Speaker 1: become our cherished fifty first state. He said on truth

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Speaker 1: Social this would make all terriffs and everything else totally disappear. Steve,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to throw you that grab bag to see

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Speaker 1: what you wanted to do with it. The fifty first

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Speaker 1: state thing, to me, I don't know. Maybe it's because

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Speaker 1: I was a correspondent who covered the White House and

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Speaker 1: I tend to chase the bright shining object from time

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Speaker 1: to time. But talk about the biggest dipshit idea that

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Speaker 1: has come out of Donald Trump's mouth, It's hard to

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Speaker 1: come up with the top ten. The fifty first state

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine the Republicans ever winning the fifty first

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Speaker 2: All of this is utter madness. Yeah, this is, as

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Speaker 1: criminal and that's not just siding with the bad guys,

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Speaker 1: a fucking war criminal. The fact that we can side

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Speaker 1: with them, to me, it makes me sick to my

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Speaker 1: stomach as an American. And you know that is what

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Speaker 1: Mark Kelly was doing when he went over to Kraine.

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Speaker 1: I've talked to Mark Kelly before. I've talked to Scott Kelly,

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Speaker 1: his brother. I used to interview Scott all the time

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00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: on my old show, and I used to tell them,

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00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: you know, when you have the astronaut suit behind you

439
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: on set, you're you're going to guarantee that the producers

440
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: are going to invite you back on because that's just

441
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: one of the coolest damn things. I'm also a space nut.

442
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: The Right Stuff one of the best friggin movies of

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00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: all time. I love that love I could watch that

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00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: over and over again. I don't care if that's four

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00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: hours long or wherever the hell it is, and that's

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00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:21,479
Speaker 1: Ukraine has the right stuff. Voladimir Zelensky has the right stuff.

447
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: Mark Kelly has the right stuff. Have you and I

448
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: been transported to a different dimension? Steve, where the people

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00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: who are most admired in our book are the ones

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00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: who are really under the gun right now? Are the

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Speaker 1: ones who are being called the trader or are being

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Speaker 1: called the dictator. For Zelensky to be called the I mean,

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Speaker 1: give me a goddamn break. These are heroes.

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Speaker 2: They are heroes, and we need to we need to

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Speaker 2: recognize them. The answer to your question, uh, is the

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Speaker 2: American people will not tolerate this. The Americans people know

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Speaker 2: that the Russians stand for a hideous and barbarous proposition,

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00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 2: and that democracy and freedom and liberty who is defending it?

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00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 2: And so this desecration of our values by Trump will

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Speaker 2: not hold. But I want to I just want to

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Speaker 2: share a story that I think as a person who's

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00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 2: going to be a big figure in American life over

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Speaker 2: the next couple of years, even more so than he is.

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Speaker 2: It's my friend Bishop William Barber, And I think you

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Speaker 2: look at what Bishop Barber did, a gathering of clergy

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Speaker 2: and a statement of moral principle in opposition to all

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Speaker 2: of this, attached deeply to the moral foundations of the

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Speaker 2: of the of the country. But I was on a

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Speaker 2: call on Friday evening late with Bishop Barber, and he

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00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 2: told me the story. I'm gonna I'm gonna try to

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Speaker 2: share this story.

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Speaker 1: I love him.

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Speaker 2: In eighteen fifty seven, the most hideous Supreme Court decision

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Speaker 2: in our nation's history came down, the dread Scott decision.

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Speaker 2: And Frederick Douglas, born a slave, is a genius orator

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Speaker 2: and thinker and writer. And this has hit him, devastating him.

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Speaker 2: And so we look at the man who is the

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Speaker 2: most important African American in the nineteenth century, right the

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Speaker 2: preface to King and Obama, a man whose sons fight

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Speaker 2: in the fifty fourth Massachusetts Infantry Regiment at Fort Wagner,

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Speaker 2: South Carolina. A few years later. Way, Frederick Douglas isn't

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Speaker 2: a God, not a prophet. He's a man. He's an

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Speaker 2: ordinary man, and he's down. And Harriet Tubman sees this,

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Speaker 2: and she says to him, Frederick, who is a very

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Speaker 2: devout man, is God dead. And Frederick Douglas realizes in

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Speaker 2: this instant that he has been guilty of defiling his values,

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Speaker 2: that he's succumbed to what he said was an idolatry,

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Speaker 2: that he put his faith in men and institutions and

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Speaker 2: not God's plan, and so Frederick Douglas is immediately reinvigorated.

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Speaker 2: And he doesn't have acts or a Twitter or YouTube.

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Speaker 2: So Frederick Douglas has to prepare an oration speech, and

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Speaker 2: he goes in the first half of that speech and

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Speaker 2: he denounces the evil of this decision, but then in

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Speaker 2: the back half he says, consideration must be given to

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Speaker 2: the idea that there is a plan in which this

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Speaker 2: decision is a necessitous chain, in a link of events

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Speaker 2: that will bring about the downfall of the whole evil institution,

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Speaker 2: which in that moment in eighteen fifty seven was stronger

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Speaker 2: than it had ever been in American life. The founders

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Speaker 2: desecrated slavery, they viewed it as an evil that would

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Speaker 2: be dealt with under the umbrella of the institutions that

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Speaker 2: were left for the next generations. But by eighteen fifty

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Speaker 2: seven it was stronger than ever. And yet in five

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Speaker 2: years time it was vanquished.

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Speaker 1: Correct, And so.

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Speaker 2: As we go through these dark days and troubled times, well,

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Speaker 2: you have to have faith in is that a proposition

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Speaker 2: that is shocking in its advancement, that has stunned us all,

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Speaker 2: even those of us who were prepared for it have

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Speaker 2: warned about it for ten years. Yeah, that as we

511
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Speaker 2: make contact with it and don't let it go and

512
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 2: hold on to it and push it back. Yeah that

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00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 2: in the end, this will all be buried back in

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Speaker 2: the ground with some immutable lessons. I'll tell you something.

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Speaker 2: Marco Rubio, the National puta you signed documents as the

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Speaker 2: son of a Cuban refugee who sends a million people

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Speaker 2: to death, his food aid rots on the shelves. Well,

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00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:20,760
Speaker 2: you passly tweet out Bible verses. If you were forty

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00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 2: years old in nineteen fifty nine, you be Fidel Castro,

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Speaker 2: shine boy, and he would he's abandoned. Like all of

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Speaker 2: these people have what John McCain called the faith of

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Speaker 2: our fathers, and they're trying to raise a new faith. Yeah,

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00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 2: we must reject it because it is unholy. It is

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Speaker 2: an American and it will lead to catastrophe here and

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Speaker 2: around the world.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And Steve, I mean you know, I'm the son

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Speaker 1: of a Cuban refugee. My dad is a Cuban refugee,

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Speaker 1: came over nineteen sixty two, three weeks before the Cuban

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Speaker 1: missile crisis, made a new life for himself with my

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Speaker 1: grandmother in the United States. They moved from Miami up

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Speaker 1: to the Washington, DC area, and then I came along

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Speaker 1: not too long after that. And one of my guiding

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Speaker 1: you know, principles in life has always been that this

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Speaker 1: country is still the greatest hope on earth, even right now.

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Speaker 1: And I know that may come across as like yeah, right, Jim,

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Speaker 1: but even right now, to me, it is still the

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Speaker 1: greatest hope on earth. And it's because of your commitment, Steve,

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Speaker 1: the commitment of folks like yourself, who even in these

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Speaker 1: darkest times, even in this darkest hour, I suppose it

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Speaker 1: could get darker, still have the faith. You're keeping the faith,

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Speaker 1: and that's what it's all about, you know, when I

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Speaker 1: tell this story from time to time. I had the

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Speaker 1: chance to travel with Obama to Cuba when he was

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Speaker 1: trying to get diplomatic relations going again with Cuba, and

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Speaker 1: I had a chance to ask Raoul Castro a question,

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Speaker 1: and I you know, I was thinking to myself, what

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Speaker 1: do I ask him? You know, we should There was

548
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 1: only one thought on my mind, and that was to

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Speaker 1: ask about that country's practice of jailing political prisoners. And

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Speaker 1: you know, ral Castro, he pulled the translator headphones off

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Speaker 1: his head when I asked this question. You couldn't believe

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Speaker 1: what he was hearing. And he said, dami la lista,

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Speaker 1: Dami la lista, give me the list of the political

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Speaker 1: And he knew damn well who the political prisoners were

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Speaker 1: in that country. He had a hand in jailing those people.

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Speaker 1: And the thing that I cannot understand, I cannot fathom

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Speaker 1: about the current Secretary of State is how you could,

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Speaker 1: for one moment be a part of an administration that

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Speaker 1: would turn your backs against to the people who are

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Speaker 1: on the front lines of the cause of our time,

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Speaker 1: the cause of the ages, the cause of democracy. And I,

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Speaker 1: you know, I, I there's a part of me that

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Speaker 1: thinks that Marco is going to come to his senses,

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Speaker 1: and maybe before the end of this year he's going

565
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Speaker 1: to get out of there. He's going to be And

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Speaker 1: and maybe I'm being too nice about this, Steve, and

567
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: and and maybe you're hitting the nail on the head here,

568
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Speaker 1: but as a fellow Cuban American, it's just it's just

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Speaker 1: goddamn disappointing to see this happening right now, because the

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00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 1: defeating the Russians in Ukraine is as critical to what

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Speaker 1: is happening right now as anything else on this planet

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Speaker 1: at this moment. It's that it's that it's that vital when.

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Speaker 2: I think about in my life and my parents are

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Speaker 2: actually in the room next door, they're they're visiting, they're

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Speaker 2: pushing eighty. The first refugee I've met, it was a

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Speaker 2: guy who worked with my dad, and it was Fanny

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Speaker 2: and Gus, and they were Cuban refugees. And I remember

578
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:21,879
Speaker 2: the first crush I had was on Fanny and Gus's daughter, right,

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Speaker 2: it was it was a little bit older, older than

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Speaker 2: I was. But when you think about Cubans in America,

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Speaker 2: is that I never ever met a Cuban who was

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Speaker 2: against liberty right ever, because every Cuban in America was

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Speaker 2: for liberty. But yeah, that skews the view because not

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Speaker 2: every Cuban is for liberty, otherwise there wouldn't be Castro

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Speaker 2: controlled Cuba. And so there are Cubans who have served

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00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 2: the cause of tyranny. It's just unusual in America to

587
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 2: have ever seen one. It's like seeing a polar bear

588
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 2: in Central Park walking around. The Jenes just doesn't exist here.

589
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 2: It's out of place. So it is so despicable and

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00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 2: so contrary to the contributions of an amazing cohort of Americans,

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00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 2: which are the Cubans that have built lives and economies

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Speaker 2: and enormous contributions to the United States since arriving in

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Speaker 2: the country fleeing political persecution in nineteen fifty nine. And

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Speaker 2: to see the son of a Cuban immigrant asserting the

595
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Speaker 2: Russian propaganda position to the Polish foreign me is an astonishment.

596
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Speaker 2: But you have to recognize and here's the thing. The

597
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Speaker 2: man who interrogated out Off Iikman was named Abner Less.

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Speaker 2: He was a German Jew Israeli police captain whose family

599
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 2: was lost in the Holocaust. He lied about it, but

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Speaker 2: he was the interrogator. If you read the Less Ikman interrogations,

601
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 2: they're a masterclass in psychology. But twenty years after Aikman's dead,

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Speaker 2: Less has never talked about it. He's asked a question, Hey,

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Speaker 2: takeaways from the experience. He goes, yes, So a lot

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Speaker 2: of people talk a lot of bullshit about a lot

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00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 2: of things and politics and media journalism and have no idea.

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00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 2: So you know what, Yeah, I do want to know

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Speaker 2: what the takeaway of the guy was who sat across

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Speaker 2: from Adolph Iikman for two hundred and seventy five hours

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Speaker 2: and interrogated them. And what he said was it made

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Speaker 2: me understand and put at the center my faith in democracy,

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00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 2: because there are Adolph Kamans all around us everywhere. They

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00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 2: are latent in a democracy, but they become deadly in

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Speaker 2: a dictatorship of the left or the right. And the

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00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 2: truth of the matter is, and I'm not a smart

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00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 2: enough guy to be able to tell you why. I'm

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Speaker 2: not a smart enough person to be able to comprehend

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00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 2: these forces and where they bubble up from. I just

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00:46:54,480 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 2: know that I see a gleam in the eye that

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Speaker 2: my fluency in history instructs me is not a new gleam.

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Speaker 2: And there is a virus and.

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Speaker 1: A bola.

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00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 2: That rises up and creates a compulsion for some to

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00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 2: want to wreck and burn. And there is not a

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00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:37,320
Speaker 2: constituency right now of millions in favor of this that

625
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 2: must be severed from any intellectual construct around the dynamics

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00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 2: of this moment, which is that the Trump voter supports this.

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Speaker 2: This is being executed by a few thousand people in Washington,

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Speaker 2: DC around Donald Trump, some of the richest people in

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Speaker 2: the world. And what we are seeing is a profound

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00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 2: crisis of indifference in our civil society. But here's the news.

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Speaker 2: The strength of the country comes from the core of

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00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 2: its middle class, from its ordinary people, not from its CEOs,

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Speaker 2: not from the people who give each other certificates and

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00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 2: participation trophies for being really fucking rich at Davos. It

635
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 2: comes from America's.

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Speaker 1: People.

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Speaker 2: And so this moment of great contestation comes in an

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00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 2: epic year of celebration and anniversary. When we talk about

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00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 2: Mark Kelly, he is one of the finest men that

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00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 2: is ever put on the uniform of an institution that

641
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:23,280
Speaker 2: will turn two hundred fifty years old, United States Navy.

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Speaker 2: That's it famous around the world this year, beginning next month,

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Speaker 2: we will celebrate an instant, the shock Herd around the

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Speaker 2: world that ruptured history, that divided and aff that broke

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Speaker 2: it into two. The shock Herd around the world at

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Speaker 2: Lexington and conquered the beginning of the American Revolution. A

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Speaker 2: few days later, two hundred and fifty years ago, George

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Speaker 2: Washington to Virginia takes command. Two hundred and fifty years ago,

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Speaker 2: the Battle of Bunker Hill. Two hundred and fifty years ago,

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Speaker 2: the Congress decrees the formation from amongst the colonies, a

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Speaker 2: continental army of the whole, the United States Army is born.

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Speaker 2: And then in the need of the moment, the United

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Speaker 2: States Marine Corps is born. All of this is the

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Speaker 2: preface to what happens next your life for the most

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Speaker 2: important moment since the birth of Jesus Christ and Mohammedan

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Speaker 2: world history, the inception of the United States of America. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and so Donald Trump is a hustler and a con

658
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Speaker 2: and a criminal who we elected president. Yeah, because of

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Speaker 2: the failure of a political party to offer anything better

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Speaker 2: and to stop the madness. They face the threat with

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Speaker 2: the politics of joy and brat summer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Gaslighting about a senile, eighty two year old man. It

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Speaker 2: was propped up by his wife in six or seven staffers,

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Speaker 2: and one of the most dishonest and outrageous lies ever

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Speaker 2: told by an American administration. And the fruit of all

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Speaker 2: of that dishonesty is this outrageous crisis that we the

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Speaker 2: American people, will put down, put to bed, move on from,

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Speaker 2: and pray to God and learn a lesson from, because

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Speaker 2: when we get to the end of this, every American president,

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Speaker 2: wherever they go, will be rolling with a new humility

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Speaker 2: and an apology at the front of every fucking speech

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Speaker 2: for the next fifty years. But until then, let us

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Speaker 2: stop this madness.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well said, Well said Steve. I think we should

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Speaker 1: stop it right there, Steve, great conversation always. I just

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Speaker 1: I could just kick back and crack open a cold

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Speaker 1: one and listen, you just go. I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: And I've been kicking around this idea of doing a

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Speaker 1: town hall because there's so many of these gutlass cowards

681
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Speaker 1: out there that won't do it. Maybe you and I

682
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Speaker 1: should do one, and and we'll be happy to figure

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Speaker 1: out a place to do it.

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Speaker 2: And I'm and I'm like, I just say one last thing.

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Speaker 2: You know, we nearly what we got. We got. There's

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Speaker 2: nine thousand people on here in the middle of the afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Many more people see it. Listen. I'm not trying to

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Speaker 2: be angry with anyone, but I want I want to

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Speaker 2: say something to you. I'm begging all of you. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: stop treating the most powerful people in the world, like

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden in the president of the United States, like

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Speaker 2: like their Taylor Swift and you're a thirteen year old kid,

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Speaker 2: like you're a fan, like they.

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Speaker 5: Can do no wrong.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, Yeah, a terrible.

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Speaker 2: Wrong was done here. I'm saying. I'm saying Joe Biden

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Speaker 2: delivered this country through his profound selfishness to Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: If you can see that.

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Speaker 1: If you can't see that, I think people see it now,

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Speaker 1: you're so blind that we.

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Speaker 2: Won't be able to escape this. And I God, I

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Speaker 2: pray that you all can see it, because a lesson.

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Speaker 2: Until you do, it's impossible to offer better. We're just

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Speaker 2: the prisoner and one side of the vice by the

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Speaker 2: schumer Crats and Yaiga on the other, and we'll get

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Speaker 2: eaten by the stronger side because we're left undefended by

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Speaker 2: the weak one.

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Speaker 4: See.

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Speaker 1: I love you, man, and and I think the last

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Speaker 1: time you and I were talking, I said, let's put

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Speaker 1: a pin in this conversation about what the hell happened

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four. And I'm doing it again. But

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Speaker 1: so the next time you and I do this, we

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Speaker 1: start the conversation there because I feel like I need

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Speaker 1: to let you get this off your chest. But that was,

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Speaker 1: I mean, an amazing conversation. Steve Schmidt. Everybody great to

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Speaker 1: see us, sir, and I'm so glad we talked about

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Speaker 1: this this, you know, Mark Kelly situation. What you've left

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Speaker 1: us with a lot of things to think about. Thank you, Steve,

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Speaker 1: really appreciate it, and give my best of your folks

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Speaker 1: next door, Tell them thanks for a lotting us take

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Speaker 1: up some of their time. Good to see you, buddy,

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Speaker 1: all right, pleasure. Okay, that was Steve Schmidt. Everybody. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to try to bring in Tristan Snell, legal expert,

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Speaker 1: former prosecutor. He and I have been playing a little

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Speaker 1: phone tag, going back and forth trying to set up

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Speaker 1: a time to talk about this, and I want to

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Speaker 1: piggyback off of my conversation with Steve Schmidt if I

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Speaker 1: can get Tristan up through this, as I call it,

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Speaker 1: the Substack machine. I don't know if folks saw this

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Speaker 1: earlier today, but I put it out there on substack

732
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Speaker 1: and a few other social places that the Hollywood Reporter

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Speaker 1: had had a big write up on substack and how

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Speaker 1: it's just going gangbusters right now, and so for folks

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Speaker 1: who are tuning in and joining us here on substack,

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Speaker 1: I just absolutely appreciate everything. And there's Tristan right there. Tristan,

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Speaker 1: good to see. I can be a little late, and

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Speaker 1: sorry about that. I appreciate it hanging sometimes when Schmidt

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Speaker 1: and I get talking, you know, I seriously I want

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Speaker 1: to get out the good stuff, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: I want to get the small batch bourbon out. And

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Speaker 1: but I feel like you and I will have the

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Speaker 1: same kind of conversation here, and I feel like Ted

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Speaker 1: Copple telling the affiliates we may go past the one

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Speaker 1: hour a lot in time because you and I need

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Speaker 1: to talk about I've been wanting to get a legal

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Speaker 1: expert and somebody like yourself on former prospers if I'm

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Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, because one of the questions that

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Speaker 1: I have, and I think it's a question that a

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Speaker 1: lot of viewers out there have, is yes, we know

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Speaker 1: much of what is taking place, what Doge is doing,

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Speaker 1: what Elon Musk is doing, what Donald Trump is doing,

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Speaker 1: is morally repugnant. But is it legally repugnant? And it

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Speaker 1: sounds as though the courts there are some judges, even

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Speaker 1: Trump appointed judges, Republican appointed judges, saying not so fast.

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Speaker 1: What's been your assessment of this so far? And we'll talk.

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Speaker 1: We've talked about other stuff too, but you're assessment with

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Speaker 1: that because that's been.

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Speaker 2: On my lind Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I mean, look, there's there's a couple of layers of this.

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Speaker 4: One is that you've got the the illegalities of what

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Speaker 4: they've done allegedly with numerous courts giving us a sneak preview,

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Speaker 4: and how they're going to be deciding these cases. What

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Speaker 4: happens when you have sort of the early beginning of

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Speaker 4: a case, especially under some of these laws, where what

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Speaker 4: you're trying to get is to stop the federal action

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Speaker 4: more than it is to actually recover money. But even

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Speaker 4: in a lot of different cases, you can get either

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Speaker 4: a temporary restraining order or you can get an injunction

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Speaker 4: and a preliminary injunction it's called, and either of those situations,

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Speaker 4: the standard, the legal standard that the court is applying is,

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Speaker 4: among other things, is there going to be some likelihood

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Speaker 4: of success on the merit by the plaintiffs. That's one

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Speaker 4: of the bars that the plaintiffs have to clear in

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Speaker 4: order to get a restraining order or an injunction. The

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Speaker 4: judges that have been issuing these decisions, and you're right,

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Speaker 4: they have been both Republican as well as Democratic appointed judges,

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Speaker 4: a lot of them in the District of Columbia, a

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Speaker 4: lot that's where a lot of these cases are being

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Speaker 4: found as a federal in PC, but a number of

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Speaker 4: them or in other district courts around the country Seattle,

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Speaker 4: Rhode Island, and so forth. When the judges are issuing

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Speaker 4: these decisions, they're in effect saying, I'm taking a sneak

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Speaker 4: peek at this, and it looks like the plaintiffs have

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Speaker 4: a fighting chance. So we're getting some early indications that that, yes,

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Speaker 4: there were illegalities committed here. Now those aren't criminal illegalities

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Speaker 4: in most of these situations, at least not yet, because

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Speaker 4: we're talking about things like the Administrative Procedure Act, which

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Speaker 4: we could get into a greater length, but it's probably

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Speaker 4: the most What I keep saying is it's the most

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Speaker 4: important federal law that most people haven't heard of, that

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Speaker 4: it actually regulates what these agencies can and cannot do.

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Speaker 4: You can't just go fire you.

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Speaker 5: Know hundreds or thousands of right.

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Speaker 4: You can't shut down an entire program without having fact based,

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Speaker 4: policy based reasons behind it. You can't do it just

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Speaker 4: because just because you said so, that doesn't work. One

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Speaker 4: of the standards under the APA is that you can't

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Speaker 4: do things that are arbitrary and capricious, and that's one

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Speaker 4: of for the for those of us who care about

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Speaker 4: democracy and are republic and the rule of law, that

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Speaker 4: is one of our best weapons to stop a lot

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Speaker 4: of these excesses from occurring.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Congress controls the purse. No matter what Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump thinks, he can't just go willy nilly and just

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Speaker 1: you know, take a elon musk chainsaw to anything that

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Speaker 1: he sees in his sight. And I've been particularly worried

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Speaker 1: about the folks over at USAI D. I talked with

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Speaker 1: a this was private, a private discussion that I had

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Speaker 1: at an event I was at recently, somebody who's fairly

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Speaker 1: high up in USAID, and she was telling me about

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Speaker 1: just how people are absolutely petrified there. Some of these

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Speaker 1: folks have been stranded and far flung places. They're doing

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Speaker 1: the work of the United States, doing soft power, spreading

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Speaker 1: the good word that this country can go into other

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Speaker 1: parts of the world and do good things. And this

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Speaker 1: is something that I saw today. I mean Pro Publica

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Speaker 1: reported this and Rolling Stone picked it up that a

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Speaker 1: new memo from somebody high up in USAID, at first

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Speaker 1: surface by Pro Publica designates Tuesday as a quote clear

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Speaker 1: event with the agency skeleton staff of the Central Personnel

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Speaker 1: instructor to join in an active mass document destruction. This

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Speaker 1: memo from this Acting Executive Secretary USAD calls for purging

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Speaker 1: of quote are classified safes and personnel documents at the

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Speaker 1: USAID longtime headquarters, the Ronald Reagan Billy in Washington, DC.

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Speaker 1: This is in a Rolling Stone article and one of

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Speaker 1: the quotes from this person says, shreds many documents first,

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Speaker 1: and reserve the burn bags for when the shredder becomes

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Speaker 1: unavailable or needs a break. I'm just reading from Rolling Stone,

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Speaker 1: which was coded, you know, quoting Pro Publica some of this,

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Speaker 1: some of this sounds like they're trying to go so fast.

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Speaker 1: They know what they're doing is legally questionable, so they

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Speaker 1: go fast.

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Speaker 5: That's right. That is exactly right.

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Speaker 4: Like you're only if you are turning on the shredder

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Speaker 4: so much that you're worried about it needing a break,

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Speaker 4: because it's smoke starting to come.

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Speaker 5: Out of it, right right. For those of us who

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Speaker 5: are old enough.

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Speaker 4: To remember the Iran Contra share, yeah, remember this with

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Speaker 4: Oliver North for what was the name of.

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Speaker 5: The assistant Hall Bon Hall Bon Hall, and she was

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Speaker 5: testifying that she was.

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Speaker 1: She went to my high school a little bit older

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Speaker 1: than me, but she went to my high school in Annandale, Virginia.

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Speaker 1: I believe I think I'm correct on that. But anyway, I.

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Speaker 4: Remember I remember this as a kid that she was testifying,

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Speaker 4: and she was talking about shredding documents late.

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Speaker 5: Into the night to cover up right they had done.

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Speaker 5: I remember this.

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Speaker 4: If but if you're doing that, that's a pretty clear

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Speaker 4: sign that you that you.

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Speaker 5: Know you've done something there.

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Speaker 1: That's that like the talking bags, we're not even one

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Speaker 1: hundred days.

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Speaker 4: In, We're not even a hundred day well, I mean yeah,

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Speaker 4: we're not still in the first hundred days and we're

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Speaker 4: already talking burn bags.

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Speaker 5: So they're committing these things.

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Speaker 4: So that's kind of layer one is the illegalities. But

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Speaker 4: then layer two, and this is where this starts to

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Speaker 4: come in, is that then you can have situations where

863
01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 4: the cover up's going to be worse than the crime,

864
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 4: right are are they actually going to be breaking criminal

865
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Speaker 4: statutes at some point with some of the things that

866
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Speaker 4: they're doing.

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Speaker 5: If they are taking.

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Speaker 4: Documents and getting them out of federal custody and into

869
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 4: private servers, have they broken federal criminal.

870
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Speaker 5: Laws by doing so.

871
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 4: If they're taking that data that they've had access to

872
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:20,959
Speaker 4: and using it for private purposes or private gain, that's

873
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 4: definitely a criminal problem if they are wantonly destroying documents

874
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 4: that they're not supposed to be destroying. My bet is

875
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Speaker 4: I'm not an expert on this, but I bet is,

876
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 4: I bet you that there are criminal statutes that are

877
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Speaker 4: implicated there. And then this is key. Government officials have

878
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 4: some amount of limited immunity from liability, but only when

879
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 4: they're acting within the scope of their official duties. So

880
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:49,440
Speaker 4: as soon as they're doing something that's outside the scope

881
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 4: of their job. And guess what, news flash, burn bags

882
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 4: are probably not part of your job.

883
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 2: They're just not.

884
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 5: I'm just going to go on out on.

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Speaker 1: I don't know where do you go buy a burn bag?

886
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 1: I was just thinking this is that at home depot?

887
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 1: Do you get the burn bag?

888
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:03,240
Speaker 2: Yeah?

889
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 4: I don't.

890
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 2: I don't.

891
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 5: I don't know where you get those. That's a good question.

892
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll have to go google sort of like how

893
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 4: to crime and like figure this out because it's actually

894
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 4: but as a good prosecutor usually on I'm not usually

895
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Speaker 4: on that side of the ball, Jym, I don't know.

896
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Speaker 1: As a good prosecutor. That would be part of the discovery.

897
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 1: You know, Google, the Google searches or the Amazon searches

898
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 1: for burn bags. You know, do they come in a

899
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Speaker 1: quantity of ten you know?

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01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 5: Right exactly? Yeah, costco.

901
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 4: You can buy them in Bolt probably right, So I

902
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 4: don't know where you get this stuff from. But then

903
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 4: like then you've got to Yeah, other things like the servers,

904
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 4: if they're if they're if they're bringing this data and

905
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:43,680
Speaker 4: getting it out of sort of the federal servers and

906
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 4: using it for any kind of private gainer, they're privately

907
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 4: storing it, that's also outside of the scope of their

908
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:53,320
Speaker 4: official duties. So there's that's a whole other layer that

909
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:56,320
Speaker 4: we're not even thinking of yet. Yeah, of course d

910
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 4: o J is not going to be prosecuting any of

911
01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 4: these people, obviously true. But but the thing is the

912
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 4: statute limitations on some of these things could end up

913
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Speaker 4: running aways. And so for these folks that are they're

914
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:13,720
Speaker 4: just like I was just following orders and they're like

915
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 4: actually doing these things, they've got to remember that they

916
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 4: might actually face justice on this five years from now,

917
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 4: that's right. Things they're doing today, they could be civilly

918
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 4: liable at any time here, and they could be criminally

919
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Speaker 4: liable for after this term is over.

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01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 5: So there's a number of layers here.

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Speaker 4: There's being able to stop them for being arbitrary and capricious,

922
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 4: and then there are whether some of these things that

923
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Speaker 4: they're doing could expose people the civil liability, criminal liability,

924
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:43,720
Speaker 4: or if they're attorneys, that could expose them to disbarment.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, if if the thought running through your

926
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Speaker 1: mind is is that while the excuse I'll give some

927
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 1: day is I was just following orders, I just want

928
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:55,480
Speaker 1: to right now, I just want to stop you in

929
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 1: your tracks and just say you need to be thinking

930
01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 1: about your life choices here if you're working for Donald Trump,

931
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 1: and your excuse later on in life is going to

932
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Speaker 1: be I was just following. I'm just saying that may

933
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Speaker 1: not work out for you. Uh, but let me ask

934
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Speaker 1: you this generally. Yeah, yeah, no, I was gonna ask

935
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Speaker 1: you that. I One of the questions that I have

936
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Speaker 1: is about the legality of DOGE as as an instant.

937
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 1: We don't know what it is. Is it an agency?

938
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Speaker 1: And Christian if you could talk a little bit about

939
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Speaker 1: the other night at the speech, when Trump said Elon

940
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Speaker 1: Musk is the head of DOGE, which contradicted what they

941
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:32,040
Speaker 1: had been saying in court that Elon Musk is not

942
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Speaker 1: the head of DOGE. And then a couple of days later,

943
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Speaker 1: after Trump said that they were against you know, Trump

944
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 1: was telling his cabinet secretaries, where you're in charge of

945
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 1: who's fired and who's not. It sounds as though they're

946
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Speaker 1: on very shaky ground.

947
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Speaker 4: Legally, incredibly, so, yeah, absolutely, yes. So there are a

948
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Speaker 4: number of lawsuits about this already, and they are.

949
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 5: Moving forward, you know, slowly, but surely.

950
01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 4: And then it has come up in a lot of

951
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:02,840
Speaker 4: these other cases in which DOGE I insist on using

952
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:06,360
Speaker 4: scare quotes. Whenever I say the word in which DOGE

953
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:11,680
Speaker 4: is actually implicated, it is not. It has not been

954
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 4: set up in a way that is legally appropriate. There's

955
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:18,439
Speaker 4: just really no touays about it. They knew they weren't

956
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 4: going to be able to set it up and actually

957
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 4: create something that would have the power that they wanted

958
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 4: it to have by getting it as a true department

959
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:27,600
Speaker 4: created by Congress.

960
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Speaker 5: Generally speaking, if you're talking about about a.

961
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Speaker 4: New department, that's usually something that Congress ends up needing

962
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:38,440
Speaker 4: to create and then appropriate funds for. So They did

963
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:41,720
Speaker 4: a sneaky sleight of hand by taking something called the

964
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Speaker 4: US Digital Service that already existed, that was a small

965
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Speaker 4: unit of technologists. It was actually created by the Obama

966
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Speaker 4: administration in the wake of the debacle around the healthcare

967
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 4: dot gov rollout to basically fix healthcare dot gov and

968
01:06:58,040 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 4: a whole bunch of other websites and.

969
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:00,840
Speaker 5: Things up the federal government.

970
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 4: And they actually made a lot of progress on that,

971
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 4: but they were like, great, we're going to use that

972
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 4: change the name packet full of a bunch of our

973
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:10,040
Speaker 4: cronies and minions, and then use it to basically be

974
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 4: a swat team to dig.

975
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:14,240
Speaker 5: Down all the doors all around the federal government.

976
01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:17,040
Speaker 4: The thing is that, like you literally are taking something

977
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:20,720
Speaker 4: that had legal authority to make a website better, and

978
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:23,360
Speaker 4: then you're using it to shut down entire parts of

979
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 4: the federal government.

980
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:29,280
Speaker 5: They're acting outside the authority that they that they ever had.

981
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:32,080
Speaker 4: Like you can't just you can't just be like, oh,

982
01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:35,760
Speaker 4: we're going to take the lawn care service for the

983
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:38,160
Speaker 4: White House and we're going to use it to put

984
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:40,920
Speaker 4: in a bunch of brown shirts to start beating up

985
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:41,800
Speaker 4: people in the street.

986
01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:43,440
Speaker 5: Like you can't do you can't.

987
01:07:43,240 --> 01:07:46,280
Speaker 4: Just take a thing and then change it thing and

988
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:48,920
Speaker 4: then roll it back out there like that's legally, it

989
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:53,960
Speaker 4: doesn't work. So in my view, without being an administrative

990
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:58,440
Speaker 4: law expert, because these areas of law but very specialized. However,

991
01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:01,120
Speaker 4: I've been reading up on this, talking to very smart

992
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:04,240
Speaker 4: people who helped me understand these things. My take on

993
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:08,000
Speaker 4: this is that we're going to see judges find that

994
01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:12,480
Speaker 4: DOJ DOJE has been acting well outside of its legal

995
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:16,200
Speaker 4: authority and that thereby many, if not most, of the

996
01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 4: things that it's been doing are null and void. If

997
01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:21,720
Speaker 4: they wanted to change the color of a button on

998
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:25,479
Speaker 4: a federal website, that was in their purview pretty much

999
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:26,360
Speaker 4: anything else was not.

1000
01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:29,680
Speaker 1: Exactly, if you want to change the drapes of the

1001
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:32,439
Speaker 1: Department of Education, that's one thing. Tearing the whole damn

1002
01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:33,559
Speaker 1: thing down is quite another.

1003
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:35,160
Speaker 5: Can't you can't you can't do that.

1004
01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:35,559
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1005
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:37,720
Speaker 5: This was the design to like, oh, did it make

1006
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:39,160
Speaker 5: it easier to check out?

1007
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:39,840
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1008
01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:42,240
Speaker 4: Or make it easier to actually go find your health

1009
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:45,840
Speaker 4: care plan. That's what their job was. And most of

1010
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:49,599
Speaker 4: the people who did that work had quit because they

1011
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 4: didn't want to be part of You saw the headline

1012
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:55,479
Speaker 4: from a few weeks ago that like Joje, twenty one

1013
01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:58,280
Speaker 4: people resigned. It was the people that were there as

1014
01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:00,680
Speaker 4: part of the US Digital Service. They kind of got

1015
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:03,479
Speaker 4: dragged into this, and a lot of them are just

1016
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:05,599
Speaker 4: saying like, I'm not helping you anymore. I'm not gonna

1017
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:07,640
Speaker 4: let I'm gonna I'm not gonna be there while you

1018
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:10,200
Speaker 4: tear apart all these agencies. I'm not participating.

1019
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:13,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, not to jump around to a

1020
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 1: different subject, but one of the things that comes up

1021
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:18,880
Speaker 1: often on my show, and this is an area where

1022
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 1: I think you can comment with a lot of authority

1023
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:23,479
Speaker 1: because I see the book over your shoulder taking down Trump.

1024
01:09:24,280 --> 01:09:30,519
Speaker 1: Is that what your assessment is of Merrick Garland the

1025
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:34,080
Speaker 1: job he did as Attorney General? You know, I know

1026
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 1: when you go to cocktail, I see you leaning back

1027
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:42,280
Speaker 1: in your chair. Your assessment of where we would be

1028
01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 1: right now had Merrick Garland acted six months sooner, a

1029
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:47,840
Speaker 1: year sooner.

1030
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, what would that look like? Yeah, sad Am,

1031
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:53,680
Speaker 5: I am, I am.

1032
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:56,680
Speaker 1: I opening up Pandora's box here and like, yeah, I.

1033
01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 5: Don't have a pors box.

1034
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:01,599
Speaker 1: Yeah I could.

1035
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 4: I could get the hour glass so that I could

1036
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:06,360
Speaker 4: keep myself to a limit. But I'll try to think this.

1037
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:09,760
Speaker 4: You hit the nail right on the head gym, like

1038
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:10,840
Speaker 4: if they had.

1039
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:12,040
Speaker 5: And here's the thing.

1040
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:14,320
Speaker 1: I hate trashing him. I hate that.

1041
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:16,200
Speaker 2: I don't I don't want public.

1042
01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:18,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean he did.

1043
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:23,000
Speaker 4: Look, he had a long and storied career as a prosecutor. Unfortunately,

1044
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 4: I don't think that we're going to look upon his

1045
01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:28,040
Speaker 4: reign as Attorney General as being his finest hour.

1046
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:30,360
Speaker 5: Like he did a lot of great things.

1047
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:34,120
Speaker 4: He helped win the Oklahoma City bombing case, he helped

1048
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:37,400
Speaker 4: win the Olympic Park bombing case in Atlanta, like these were.

1049
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:40,320
Speaker 4: He was a He was a very very highly respected

1050
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:43,000
Speaker 4: prosecutor for many many years and will and I'll always

1051
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:46,559
Speaker 4: respect him for that. I don't think that they moved

1052
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 4: quickly enough. I think they acted with a lot of

1053
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:53,840
Speaker 4: sort of like excessive timidity and caution. They would be

1054
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:57,880
Speaker 4: a little too careful, too wary of looking too political. Now,

1055
01:10:57,920 --> 01:10:59,880
Speaker 4: his hands may have been tied. It may have been

1056
01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:03,479
Speaker 4: folks at the White House who tied Garland's hands. We

1057
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:05,760
Speaker 4: may find out that might be like a Bob Woodward book,

1058
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:06,959
Speaker 4: at some point we find.

1059
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:08,360
Speaker 5: Out exactly how that went down.

1060
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:13,320
Speaker 4: But what we know at the moment is that and

1061
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:16,760
Speaker 4: this did get reported on. I remember there was a

1062
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:21,800
Speaker 4: Washington Post piece about this that there were discussions within

1063
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:28,560
Speaker 4: the f guy and DJ about going after the political

1064
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:36,040
Speaker 4: suspects regarding January sixth in twenty twenty one, right as

1065
01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:39,559
Speaker 4: opposed to just going after the proud boys and those folks,

1066
01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:41,599
Speaker 4: the boots on the ground guys, the ones who actually

1067
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:46,280
Speaker 4: assaulted Capitol police officers and ransacked the Capitol, going after

1068
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:51,040
Speaker 4: the suits, not just the boots. But the word from

1069
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 4: higher ups was no, We're not doing that. It came up,

1070
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:57,160
Speaker 4: it was proposed, it was pitched, and it was stopped,

1071
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Speaker 4: and it was basically it continued to be the story.

1072
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Speaker 1: You're right, that's the story if we can ever get

1073
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:06,760
Speaker 1: to the to that heart of the issue, and and

1074
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:10,080
Speaker 1: perhaps there's going to be a great deal of resistance,

1075
01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:13,080
Speaker 1: a different kind of resistance to ever getting to that

1076
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:16,879
Speaker 1: sort of truth. The American people deserve to know.

1077
01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:19,640
Speaker 5: That, We deserve to know what happened, because.

1078
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:25,840
Speaker 4: That the investigation into Donald Trump's role and his inner

1079
01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:29,839
Speaker 4: circles role with regard to January sixth should have begun

1080
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Speaker 4: on the afternoon of January twentieth, twenty twenty one. It

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Speaker 4: literally should have been the very first thing that we did. Okay,

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Speaker 4: maybe Garland wasn't there yet, but like whenever he first

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Speaker 4: stepped into main Justice in February of that year, literally

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Speaker 4: he should have called a meeting of his senior staff

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Speaker 4: and been like that, we're doing this, for doing this,

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Speaker 4: for doing this, They should have named a special council

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Speaker 4: that day. It should have been immediately, and the American

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Speaker 4: people would have applauded, learning a lot of Republicans because

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Speaker 4: we forget the overwhelming, the overwhelming feeling among the American

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Speaker 4: people at that point was that everybody who had something

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Speaker 4: to do with that needed to be investigated and needed

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Speaker 4: to be held accountable and brought to justice.

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Speaker 5: People will have.

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Speaker 4: Been okay with it, and instead they blinked, they didn't

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Speaker 4: do it, and they didn't. Actually, we didn't see Jack

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Speaker 4: Smith get appointed until the very end of twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 4: after the House had completed its investigation. And I still

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Speaker 4: maintain I said this in my book that if the

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Speaker 4: House investigation had never happened, with all of us the

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Speaker 4: people agitating for it to happen, was why the House

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Speaker 4: leadership greenlit it. Because there was so much, there was

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Speaker 4: so much feeling out there among the people that something

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Speaker 4: needed to be done. If that, if the House Committee

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Speaker 4: on J six had never happened, I don't know that

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Speaker 4: Jack Smith would have ever happened at all.

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Speaker 1: Wow. No, you're absolutely right about that. And folks who

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Speaker 1: forget me because there's so much that has happened, we

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Speaker 1: forget things, you know. I mean Donald Trump announced his

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Speaker 1: candidacy what shortly right after it was right after that

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Speaker 1: the launching of the Jack Smith investigation. And he did

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Speaker 1: because he knew his goose was probably cooked and he

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Speaker 1: had to immediately start throwing sand into the gears.

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Speaker 5: Right, that's right.

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Speaker 4: And he wanted to create the optics of you are

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Speaker 4: coming for a candidate. It was all the whole idea

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Speaker 4: of it being political retribution. They were not probably ready

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Speaker 4: to actually put that announcement out there yet. It was

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Speaker 4: the earliest that anybody has ever announced except for fringe

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Speaker 4: candid Yes.

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Speaker 5: You know it was. Yeah, it was. We do forget that.

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Speaker 5: That's a great point.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Tristan, let's keep doing this, Let's keep the

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Speaker 1: conversation going. As I warned the affiliates out there, we

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Speaker 1: were running over our allotted time, but it was well

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Speaker 1: worth it. When Steve Schmidt gets going, it's sort of

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Speaker 1: like you can just be orders he let's keep going.

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Speaker 1: He's just he's a master at these kinds of long

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Speaker 1: form conversations. But I really appreciate your time as well.

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Speaker 1: So thanks for hanging in there and and great stuff.

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Speaker 1: Let's let's do this again and let's talk soon.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, Let's do it again sometimes soon.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Jim, Thanks Christan. And Tristan's on substack as well.

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Speaker 1: He's written a book. Gets over his shoulder there, I

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Speaker 1: mean follow Tristan. The uh, the commentary he puts out there,

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Speaker 1: I think is really spot on. Tristan, great to talk

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Speaker 1: to you. Thanks a lot.

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Speaker 5: Likewise, Jim, thanks you all right.

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Speaker 1: Take care. That was Tristan Snell everybody, and and and

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Speaker 1: you know, he's a great example of what I've been

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Speaker 1: trying to say to a lot of folks, which is

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Speaker 1: just have some patience with me. There there are folks

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Speaker 1: who I want to collaborate with me, and I want

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Speaker 1: to collaborate with them. And I've what I've been saying

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Speaker 1: lately is I just watched this movie Mickey seventeen, where

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Speaker 1: they uh, this guy Mickey played by Robert Pattinson. He

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Speaker 1: makes himself what they call an expendable in this sci

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Speaker 1: fi movie that just came out, directed by the guy

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Speaker 1: who directed a Parasite, And you know, Mickey gets killed,

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Speaker 1: but they have a human printer on the spaceship and

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Speaker 1: they just print out a new Mickey every time he

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Speaker 1: gets and then so there's sometimes I wish that I

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Speaker 1: had one of these machines where I could just print

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Speaker 1: more of myself so I could do multiple sub stacks

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Speaker 1: a day and do all of the other stuff that's

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Speaker 1: out there. And I wish I could, you know, have

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Speaker 1: all of the folks on who have been saying, hey,

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Speaker 1: you know, love to do a collaboration. Please just know

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Speaker 1: I'm working on it. The town Hall idea, I'm working

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Speaker 1: on it. I would love to do that. I'd love

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Speaker 1: to continue to contribute as much as I possibly can.

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Speaker 1: I'm just a you know, a washed up newscaster here.

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Speaker 1: I'm just kidding, just being a little self deprecating. But

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Speaker 1: one of the things that I'm so grateful for. And

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Speaker 1: it was on my mind today because this Hollywood Reporter

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Speaker 1: story came out about how well substack is doing. My

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Speaker 1: hat is off to the people here at Substack for

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Speaker 1: the great job that they've done. You have people that

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Speaker 1: are coming on this platform. Look at we have ten

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Speaker 1: thousand viewers right now. I feel a little hesitant to

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Speaker 1: hit the end button on the Substack machine because we've

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Speaker 1: gotten so many folks on board this afternoon. I hate

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Speaker 1: to everybody to go home, but my goodness, this has

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Speaker 1: been going on for like an hour and twenty minutes now.

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Speaker 1: But please everybody know I don't say this enough. I

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Speaker 1: want to say it right now. I am so grateful

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Speaker 1: to all of you for everybody who's been watching this

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Speaker 1: little show. Get off the ground, building the plane in midflight.

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Speaker 1: Let's keep doing it. I'll be back again tomorrow. Got

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Speaker 1: some other fun stuff in store for later on in

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Speaker 1: the week. Guys, thanks very much for tuning in. Still reporting,

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Speaker 1: and I'll say where I'm not in Washington right now,

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Speaker 1: but I will say later in the week where I was.

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Speaker 1: I don't always like to disclose my movements detail, but

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Speaker 1: still reporting. Uh, I'm Jebacosta. Thanks for tuning in. Everybody

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Speaker 1: really appreciate it. See you next time.

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Speaker 2: M HM.