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Speaker 1: Welcome into Northside Territory. Foul Territory Networks Cubs Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Sahadev Charma with my partner Patrick Mooney. We are your

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Speaker 1: Cubs beat writers over at the Athletic Patrick. We are

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Speaker 1: recording this on good Luck for me finding the day.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday night. We are

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Speaker 1: recording this firm. Bruce Meyer visited Kansas City and the

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Speaker 1: Cubs today. When I say Kansas City, I mean their

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Speaker 1: camp and he visited the Cubs camp out in Mesa

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Speaker 1: where reporters talk to him about the looming CBA issues.

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Speaker 1: And this was supposed to be obviously Tony Clark speaking

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Speaker 1: to the media. He abruptly resigned Tuesday morning. At least

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Speaker 1: that's when the news went public. I'm not sure exactly

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Speaker 1: when he resigned, but that is when players found out.

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Speaker 1: And from my understanding, that's when player players found out

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Speaker 1: from the reports on Twitter and and calls started going

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Speaker 1: out around, you know, between players he had They had

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Speaker 1: already been like there was already some stuff going on

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Speaker 1: with him being investigated for financial reasons. And this was

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Speaker 1: not him, just the union, the players Association to players.

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Speaker 1: I believe the NFLPA was also being investigated. Uh, and

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Speaker 1: then it was revealed that he had an inappropriate relationship

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Speaker 1: with his sister in law, who is also an employee

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Speaker 1: of the Players Association. So mess there when we're months away,

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Speaker 1: nine months away, I believe nine ten months away from

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Speaker 1: the CBA expiring critical time obviously not a good thing.

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Speaker 1: I'll start by saying that Bruce Meyer was clear like, look,

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Speaker 1: this isn't a disaster for like, it's not good they

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Speaker 1: none of this is you know, it's not a good thing.

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Speaker 1: But he wasn't like in panic, mo or how do

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Speaker 1: we solve this issue?

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Speaker 2: I mean, Bruce Meyer at the time that we're recording

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Speaker 2: is viewed as the likely successor to Tony Clark. But

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Speaker 2: I believe there was a call reportedly scheduled for later today.

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Speaker 2: Our colleagues at the Athletic have had have floated a

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Speaker 2: couple of names that appear to be under consideration. Are

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Speaker 2: understanding is that he would be the lead negotiator no

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Speaker 2: matter what, But I think there are questions about him

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Speaker 2: filling what's kind of a CEO type role as well,

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Speaker 2: and that Tony Clark got a lot of, if not all,

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Speaker 2: a former player, and it's kind of stunning to see

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Speaker 2: the you know, at least ethical boundaries that were crossed

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Speaker 2: when you look at you know, hiring someone from your

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Speaker 2: extended family to work for the union you run is

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Speaker 2: not good. And then to have an inappropriate professional relationship

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Speaker 2: with anyone when you're running the entire organization much as

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Speaker 2: someone who's also a part of it, just kind of

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Speaker 2: a mind blowing sequence of events. And so I'm curious

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Speaker 2: what was Meyers sort of demeanor when he walked out

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Speaker 1: He I mean, I think he's more than used to this.

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Speaker 1: He was he obviously was the one talking to the

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Speaker 1: media in twenty twenty two. That was twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 1: when you know, our buddies like Bob Nightingale, Jesse Rogers

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Speaker 1: to do it a lot over the next few days.

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Speaker 1: He did it earlier this morning and then once again

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Speaker 1: in the afternoon. He had to you know, we were

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Speaker 1: for him. This was an unexpected like, this was not

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Speaker 1: something that they saw coming at all, and so it

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Speaker 1: like he was pretty composed. Seems like he's pretty accustomed

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Speaker 1: He didn't want to get into those details with us.

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Speaker 1: He said, the play will know everything. There's still an

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Speaker 1: investigation going on. The players will get every bit of information.

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Speaker 1: That's not something that you know, I assume this stuff

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Speaker 1: whether it's passing, whether it's Evan Drelich, whoever it is,

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Speaker 1: someone's going to get all the gory details. What was

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Speaker 1: interesting is when we talked to the players on Tuesday morning.

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Speaker 1: jameson Ty On all three the Nico Happ is the

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Speaker 1: Nico Horner is the current player? Right? Ian Halp was

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Speaker 1: so they kind of thought that there was an assumption

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Speaker 1: you know, none of them seemed that shaken by it.

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Speaker 1: unified as a union. That's the point of it. And

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Speaker 1: this country that don't have a cap. Bruce, my I

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Speaker 1: like really fights for that. But Bruce Byer was pretty

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Speaker 1: clear that that's not happening. You know. He was also

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Speaker 1: pretty clear that, look, there's there's going to be a lockout.

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Speaker 1: Like he just guaranteed we're headed for a lockout. There

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Speaker 1: will be a lockout. It just did not seem like, uh,

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Speaker 1: the way they handle business. And look that's a negotiation tactic.

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Speaker 1: I mean, just listen to what Jed Hoyer says when

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Speaker 1: he's talking about negotiating contracts right, like the different thing,

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Speaker 1: but like it, these are contracts and deadlines help with

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Speaker 1: the contracts. So do your get to spring training. The

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Speaker 1: people want to get a deal done. It's what happened

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Speaker 1: it went pretty deep into spring training. Who knows what

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Speaker 1: He kind of he was asked about that, like, how

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Speaker 1: like who knows, which I think is a fair assessment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think baseball fans have to file that name away.

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Speaker 2: Bruce Meyer, like you get yourself familiar with this character

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Speaker 2: for years. I feel like this might have been even

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Speaker 2: around the time when I first started working with you

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Speaker 2: at the Athletic there's these rumblings about Tony Clark and

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Speaker 2: questions about, you know, whether he was really suited to

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Speaker 2: a very robust labor relations department. And so his reputation

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Speaker 2: It sounds like he's going to be heavily involved as

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, he's an important part of all of this.

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Speaker 1: And you're right, we're going to be hearing his name

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Speaker 1: Hopefully it's only a year or so and not and not,

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Speaker 1: this stuff to linger into March and April, and certainly

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Speaker 1: not beyond that.

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Speaker 2: Because you know, let's move on, let's not even let's

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Speaker 1: But when pitchers are this far ahead, I find it interesting.

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Speaker 1: But I saw I was standing behind his live BP.

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Speaker 1: And I saw a ninety eight pop up and the

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