WEBVTT - We Got 18,000 of Jeffrey Epstein’s Emails 0:00:02.720 --> 0:00:07.200 Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 0:00:08.640 --> 0:00:13.080 Bloomberg News has seen what's in Jeffrey Epstein's email Eighteen 0:00:13.200 --> 0:00:17.320 thousand messages to and from the disgraced financier and convicted 0:00:17.320 --> 0:00:20.120 sex offender from one of his personal email accounts. 0:00:20.280 --> 0:00:23.600 There are messages that cover a wide range of topics 0:00:23.600 --> 0:00:28.400 and subjects. You have messages about his Amazon shopping habits, 0:00:28.680 --> 0:00:34.040 messages about his finances. There's even a message about moving 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:38.360 a forty pound tortoise to and from Epstein's private island. 0:00:38.600 --> 0:00:41.560 That's Bloomberg Senior investigative reporter Jason Leopold. 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:45.279 We really get a sense of what was going on 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:49.240 in Epstein's life during these critical years. 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:52.000 These are messages dating back to two thousand and two, 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:54.400 but most of them are from two thousand and five 0:00:54.560 --> 0:00:58.240 to two thousand and eight. Bloomberg reporters and data analysts 0:00:58.280 --> 0:01:01.280 spent the last month pouring over these emails to better 0:01:01.360 --> 0:01:05.520 understand how Epstein built and sustained his vast influence machine 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:07.240 and sex trafficking operation. 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:10.280 We're reading Jeffrey Epstein in his own words, and you're 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:12.800 sort of like a fly on the wall. You get 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:16.240 to look into his wealth, you get to look into 0:01:16.640 --> 0:01:24.560 how he emotionally, psychologically manipulated and abused his victim. You 0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:29.479 get to see how he worked behind the scenes trying 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:33.880 to beat back these criminal allegations, his indignation as he's 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:38.319 being investigated. Really, though, to me, what stands out is 0:01:38.360 --> 0:01:43.399 his callousness toward these young women, these young girls, as 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:45.920 they were brought into his world. 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:51.840 One picture that emerges from these messages is that Julayne Maxwell, 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:55.520 Epstein's one time girlfriend, had a more involved and enduring 0:01:55.600 --> 0:01:59.440 role than she said previously. In twenty twenty one, a 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:02.960 jury effect Maxwell guilty of recruiting and grooming women for 0:02:03.040 --> 0:02:07.640 Epstein to sexually abuse. Recently, she sought to downplay how 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:10.639 close she was to him. Some of these emails appear 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:11.520 to contradict that. 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:17.600 It certainly adds to questions about her credibility and truthfulness. 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:20.080 Bloomberg Legal reporter Eva Benny Morrison. 0:02:20.240 --> 0:02:24.000 I think it certainly poses more questions than it answers 0:02:24.120 --> 0:02:27.640 about what the true nature of their relationship was, and 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:30.960 also comes for a critical time from Maxwell. Her lawyers 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:34.120 have indicated that they would welcome any relief from the 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:37.520 Trump administration, whether that looks like a pardon or a 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:40.440 commutation of her twenty year sentence for sex trafficking. 0:02:44.120 --> 0:02:45.960 I'm David Gera, and this is the big take from 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:50.040 Bloomberg News Today. On the show, Jeffrey Epstein's emails. What 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:54.280 eighteen thousand never before seen messages reveal about Epstein himself 0:02:54.520 --> 0:02:58.200 and his relationships with Glenn Maxwell and powerful people all 0:02:58.240 --> 0:03:07.280 over the world. This is an incredible trove of email messages, 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:09.760 and I'm curious sort of what you can tell us 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:11.760 about how you got them. 0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:14.480 Sure, I'm going to give you a really short answer. 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:19.800 I cannot discuss anything related to sources or methods. I 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:23.160 sound like the CIA now, but yeah, I really can't 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:28.079 go into anything related to how we were able to 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:28.600 obtain this. 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:31.720 When they did get their hands on this collection of emails, 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:35.200 Jason Leopold and Ava Benny Morrison wanted to see what 0:03:35.240 --> 0:03:39.440 they reveal about the relationship between Jeffrey Epstein and Julane Maxwell. 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:42.960 Over the years, We've only really heard Maxwell describe that 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:47.280 relationship in her own words on a few occasions, in 0:03:47.320 --> 0:03:50.880 a twenty sixteen deposition and then most recently in a 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:53.360 two day interview with a top DOJ official. 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:55.840 And I'm I'm gilln Maxwell. 0:03:57.440 --> 0:03:59.080 Good morning, as Maxwell, how are you? 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:03.440 July Maxwell sat for an interview with Deputy Attorney General 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:07.440 Todd Blanche. The Justice Department later released the recordings, and 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:10.560 it happened as the Trump administration sought to quiet and 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:14.840 uproar over its refusal to release the so called Epstein files. 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:19.239 The conversation started with Blanche explaining the terms of the interview. 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:23.200 Whatever you talk about today, you have what's called immunity, 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:25.840 So that means that the words that you say today 0:04:26.200 --> 0:04:28.760 we cannot use against you in a case in chief 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:30.080 if we were able to bring one. 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:31.400 Okay, thank you. 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:35.839 There's exceptions to that, the most meaningful one of which 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:38.080 is that if you say something today that's not true, 0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:41.440 that's a lie, we can bring a prosecution against you 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:43.400 for what's called false statements. 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:46.520 One of the first things Blanche asked Maxwell about was 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:49.279 how she and Jeffrey Epstein met in nineteen one. 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:57.039 Right, I met him at his officis in on that sale, 0:04:58.240 --> 0:05:02.280 And I think the most memorable thing I can think 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:04.080 about that is he was wearing a tie, which she 0:05:04.120 --> 0:05:07.200 didn't often give. It had a giant so mykel ketch 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:10.159 up ste sounds like, well, okay. 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:14.400 She really described herself as a one time girlfriend of Epstein, 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:18.440 someone who was then hired to become his property manager 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:21.479 and look after his luxury homes all over the world, 0:05:22.000 --> 0:05:24.080 but was drifting away from him as she entered into 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:28.039 a long term relationship with someone else. She has said 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:31.320 that her role in his life was very, very diminished 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:34.880 by about two thousand and eight when he reported to 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:35.839 jail in Florida. 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:38.239 So when he's going to go to jail, he says, 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:40.039 can you stay around and manage everything? 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:40.640 Yeah? 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:44.159 And do you do that? I do, okay, and then 0:05:44.400 --> 0:05:45.120 we'll come back to that. 0:05:45.160 --> 0:05:46.960 We'll not manage everything now. I mean there are other 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:49.880 people at this point most specific role than was very 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:50.640 very diminished. 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:54.880 But these emails seem to call into question the truthfulness 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:57.159 of some of those statements. You know, in two thousand 0:05:57.160 --> 0:06:00.920 and eight alone, as he was preparing to to prison, 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:04.960 they were exchanging emails at a rate of almost one 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:09.080 per day. As she was helping wind down his affairs, 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:12.400 his properties all are around the world. He was going 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:16.479 to her for advice on the minutia of the state 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:19.919 charges that he might play guilty to. So it shows 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:26.120 a real consistency of communication that contrasts I think, and 0:06:26.240 --> 0:06:30.080 conflicts with some of her statements publicly about when they 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:31.080 ceased contact. 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:34.279 There's also correspondence that shows the two of them remained 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:36.920 incredibly close personally. 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:38.800 On two occasions in two thousand and five. In two 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:42.719 thousand and seven, they are discussing a shared fertility procedure. 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:45.840 The first time was in October two thousand and five, 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:49.120 just days after police showed up at Epstein's home with 0:06:49.160 --> 0:06:53.320 a search warrant, Maxwell sent Epstein detailed instructions for a 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:56.480 sperm donation. She said he could collect a sample at home, 0:06:56.600 --> 0:06:58.400 but it had to be within ninety minutes of a 0:06:58.440 --> 0:07:02.679 procedure she had scheduled. About two years later, Maxwell emailed 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:06.520 Epstein another set of instructions at another critical moment. 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:09.680 In two thousand and seven. One of these email exchanges 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:13.000 occurred just as he was preparing to sign a non 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:17.280 prosecution agreement with federal prosecutors, So that really undercuts what 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:20.680 Maxwell has said about the presence that she had in 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:23.120 his life, saying that she was pretty much all but 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:25.680 absent from his orbit by that point. 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:29.240 Maxwell has maintained Epstein kept her in the dark about 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:32.000 the details of his first sexual abuse case from the 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:35.560 mid two thousands. But these emails show she not only 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:38.400 knew about the legal issues he faced, but she also 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:42.400 helped him strategize during his negotiations with federal prosecutors. 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:47.600 These emails really do demonstrate her knowledge of the legal 0:07:47.680 --> 0:07:52.920 jeopardy that Epstein faced in two thousand and six leading 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:58.200 up to this non prosecution agreement that he had signed 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:02.560 that you saw him essentially escaped federal charges. 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:06.000 In exchange for immunity from those federal charges. Epstein agreed 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:09.640 to plead guilty to two state felonies in Florida, including 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:14.360 procuring miners to engage in prostitution. Again, he consulted with 0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:18.119 Maxwell over email while he and prosecutors negotiated that deal, 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:19.400 so she was very. 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:23.200 Much in the know. You know, he's asking her, what 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:27.560 do you prefer loudon lascivious conduct or procuring miners for prostitution, 0:08:28.320 --> 0:08:32.800 and you know, she's responding essentially by saying that she 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:36.319 would prefer the former for the most part. 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:39.040 Take us to two thousand and nine, So Jeffrey Epstein 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:41.760 gets out of jail. Then he served thirteen months of 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:44.760 an eighteen month sentence. Julian Maxwell has told the Department 0:08:44.760 --> 0:08:46.640 of Justice that back then, her relationship with him was 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:50.319 quote almost non existent. What can we learn from the 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:51.320 emails about that period of. 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:55.000 Time, Well, there's a gap in the emails, and the 0:08:55.040 --> 0:09:00.160 communications pick up again around twenty fourteen, when Maxwell herself 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:07.959 was under scrutiny for conspiring with Epstein in the trafficking 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:08.760 of young girls. 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:13.080 One of those accusers was Virginia Giuffrey. In twenty fourteen, 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:17.360 Gufrey accused Maxwell of helping Epstein find and traffic teenagers. 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:21.800 That same year, Maxwell sent Epstein a request quote can 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:24.120 you send me the file on Virginia that your lawyers 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:26.839 have or whatever info you have on her? And by 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:30.600 early twenty fifteen, Maxwell wrote to Epstein she planned to 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:32.640 distribute that dossier to others. 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:39.040 So the communications between Maxwell and Epstein around twenty fourteen 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:42.920 really shows how Maxwell went on the offensive on the 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:47.880 offensive in terms of her plans to attack and discredit 0:09:48.400 --> 0:09:51.320 one of the victims who had accused her of being 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:55.319 a co conspirator. And she's exchanging emails with Epstein over 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:59.040 the course of a year more or less and disclosing 0:09:59.200 --> 0:10:05.640 what she planned to do and how she intended to 0:10:05.679 --> 0:10:10.479 be incredibly aggressive in defending her reputation. 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:14.720 Jeffrey went on to sue Maxwell for defamation for calling 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:17.560 her a liar in a public statement, and that case 0:10:17.760 --> 0:10:21.920 was eventually settled out of court. Jeffrey died earlier this year. 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:28.079 Her family says the cause of death was suicide. Avid. 0:10:28.080 --> 0:10:32.760 There's more than correspondence here in these emails, as a spreadsheet, 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:37.200 the kind of details what Jeffrey Epstein is spending money on, 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:41.840 and that includes gifts of watches, cash transfers, gifts of lingerie. 0:10:42.080 --> 0:10:44.640 This is one of the most fascinating parts of this 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:47.959 inbox was this spreadsheet. We had heard over the years 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:52.760 how Epstein lavished gifts upon the victims and associates, but 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:57.679 this spreadsheet really gives a meticulous insight into how he 0:10:58.320 --> 0:11:01.920 tracked a number of these cashtress and gifts one point 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:05.120 eight million dollars worth over a three year period. In 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:08.000 many of the entries, there's a description of the item 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:11.000 that's been purchased or the amount of money that is 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:14.240 being wired, and why it's being wired, and who the 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:17.640 recipient is and the date. Many of the recipients are 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:21.280 young women, assistants that worked for him, women who would 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:25.280 go on years later to accuse Epstein of abuse and 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:30.000 even Maxwell in facilitating that abuse. For example, there is 0:11:30.240 --> 0:11:35.920 purchases from the lingerie chain Vitoria Secrets. There are chocolates there, 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:41.360 tuition fees for massage schools, cash payments to cover rent. 0:11:41.720 --> 0:11:46.600 For one particular victim, the initials GM appear next to 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:51.040 about two hundred and fifty entries, suggesting that Maxwell had 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:54.000 a role in at least helping Epstein distribute some of 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:58.000 these gifts. We actually spoke to one victim who received 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:01.079 just over seventy five thousand dollars in gives and payments 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:04.320 while she was being abused by Epstein, and she really 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:09.360 described how Epstein weaponized his wealth like this and used 0:12:09.400 --> 0:12:12.760 these gifts to exert control over the young women and 0:12:12.880 --> 0:12:15.480 isolated them so they were completely dependent upon him. 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:19.080 Jason, there are emails here with the names and ages 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:22.560 of young women, sometimes even accompanied by photos. Can you 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:25.120 describe those exchanges, those messages. 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:30.679 As Eva noted, there were a number of women, young 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:37.200 women who were working as recruiters for Epstein, and it 0:12:37.240 --> 0:12:42.920 would seem that these recruiters would set out to find 0:12:42.960 --> 0:12:46.640 other young girls for Epstein. And you know, there's one 0:12:46.800 --> 0:12:49.880 email here that is pretty disturbing, and it describes a 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:53.400 nineteen year old woman who's based in Brooklyn. She may 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:56.000 be someone that she could bring in to Epstein's orbit, 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:59.040 and so there's a description. 0:12:59.559 --> 0:12:59.959 She's fire. 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:04.120 She's a little curvy, pretty face, long brown hair, hazel eyes. 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:08.560 And this recruiter states that, you know, I already told 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:11.160 her she could be rewarded for help with her girlfriends. 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:15.400 Basically, this recruiter thinks she may have found another potential recruiter. 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:18.320 But first the email notes this new girl said she 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:21.200 quote needs to try herself to see what it is. 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:25.000 And Epstein responds to this email, you know, describing her, 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:27.800 she is too big, but if you think it important, 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:30.800 you know, I could do it one time in the afternoon. 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:35.400 So the emails just show how the recruiting essentially kind 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:40.840 of how it worked, and Epstein's responds to the girls 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:42.320 that were presented to. 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:46.720 Him after the break. The powerful people who appear in 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:50.480 this cache of emails, including former President Clinton and the 0:13:50.480 --> 0:14:02.560 current president Donald Trump. Six years after Jeffrey Epstein's death, 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:05.720 there is still intense interest in identifying who was in 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:08.400 his network, the men and women he met with, and 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:12.760 the friendships he had with prominent politicians and executives and celebrities. 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:16.240 I asked Bloomberg's ava Benny Morrison, what we can learn 0:14:16.240 --> 0:14:20.040 about Epstein's relationships with those people from the eighteen thousand 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:21.840 emails Bloomberg News has obtained. 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:25.600 What we can see is that Maxwell actually plays a 0:14:25.640 --> 0:14:29.120 part in facilitating some of these connections. So in a 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:33.400 couple of instances, she's passing on greetings from designer Tommy 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:39.160 hillfigure from Martha Stewart. She's also urging Epstein to host 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:43.040 Google co founder Sergey Brynn at his private island in 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:44.320 the US Virgin Islands. 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:48.200 Representatives for Hillfigure, Stuart, and Brynn did not respond to 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:49.240 requests for comment. 0:14:49.640 --> 0:14:53.000 In another example, in an email from Maxwell in September 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:55.200 two thousand and six, just a couple of months after 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:59.960 news broke about Epstein's arrest on prostitution charges in Florida, 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:03.160 she sends through a list of fifty one names politicians, 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:07.840 Wall Street power brokers, and business executives, including the likes 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:10.880 of former CEO of Best Earns Jimmy Kain and the 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:13.160 former Barclays CEO Jess Staley. 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:17.320 Cain died in twenty twenty one. Staley did not respond 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:18.440 to a request for comment. 0:15:18.800 --> 0:15:21.440 She asked him to review the list and remove or 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:24.960 add any names that he sees fit Epstein replies and 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:27.240 tells her to remove Donald Trump's name. 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:31.320 The email has no subject line or additional commentary, so 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:33.760 it's impossible to know whether they were planning an event, 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:37.360 preparing a list of holiday card recipients, or something else. 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:40.880 Jason picking up on that, how often does Donald Trump 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:41.920 appear in these emails? 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:45.760 Great question? He only appears a few times in the emails. 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:51.040 Trump's name services again around the time where you know 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:55.600 Epstein and his legal team were trying to get federal 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:59.480 prosecutors to drop the case against him, And this time 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:03.520 it's in any email that Maxwell sends Epstein in August 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:07.120 of two thousand and seven, and just a month before 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:12.400 he signed this controversial non prosecution agreement. And she says 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:16.040 in the email, you have to assume they went to 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:22.440 Donald Trump, and she references other individuals and also notes 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:27.360 documents in West Palm Beach. It's possible that Maxwell may 0:16:27.400 --> 0:16:31.120 have been referring to reporters who are covering Epstein, you 0:16:31.160 --> 0:16:35.840 know at the time, but it's not entirely clear. And 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:37.920 you know, we did reach out to the White House 0:16:38.360 --> 0:16:42.800 and ask them to comment on this, and they provided 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:45.880 us with a statement that they called this fake news. 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:50.440 Ava says that spreadsheet we talked about earlier, which included 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:53.640 information about gifts Jeffrey Epstein sent to girls he abused, 0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:58.080 also included details about payment's Epstein made and presence he 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:01.840 sent to his employees and apparently intended to send to 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:03.240 some high profile people. 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:07.879 For example, there is a line item for a thirty 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:12.320 five thousand dollars watch purchase for dB and when we've 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:15.400 dug into the emails, we've found some correspondence between Maxwell 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:20.080 and Epstein talking about purchasing a very nice watch for 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:24.520 Doug Band, who was a former aide to President Bill 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:28.880 Clinton and the architecture of his post presidency. In those emails, 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:31.520 they're discussing the payment of it and making sure he 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:33.879 gets it for Christmas, and whether the note should be 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:37.280 just from Epstein or from Maxwell or from both of them. 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:41.240 And I think the Doug Band reference is particularly interesting 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:46.159 because it is a window into Maxwell's relationship with the 0:17:46.200 --> 0:17:49.200 Clinton world. I will point out that when we went 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:52.960 to Doug Band for comment about the watch, a spokesperson 0:17:53.000 --> 0:17:56.480 for him said that he never received a watch from Maxwell. 0:17:57.600 --> 0:18:00.960 There's also a entry for a seven one thousand dollars 0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:05.639 purchase at Alexis Dealership for Alan Dershowitz. Alan Dershowitz is 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:08.880 a very well known lawyer. He's a Harvard law professor, 0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:13.280 and he was representing Jeffrey Epstein during his negotiations with 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:16.840 prosecutors in Florida. And when we spoke to Alan about it, 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:20.919 he said, yes, my wife drove the car. Mostly I 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:21.880 didn't really like it. 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:25.560 Dershowitz told Bloomberg that when they'd pick up Epstein on 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:28.480 visits to Martha's vineyard, he didn't like the fact that 0:18:28.520 --> 0:18:31.920 their old car didn't have air conditioning, so he bought 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:34.359 them a new one. Dershwitz says it was part of 0:18:34.359 --> 0:18:38.800 his legal fees. Bill Clinton's name came up during that 0:18:38.880 --> 0:18:42.200 interview in July between Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche and 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:46.200 Julane Maxwell. She said the former president was actually her friend, 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:47.240 not Epstein's. 0:18:47.359 --> 0:18:50.240 It's interesting because she seems to kind of like claim 0:18:50.280 --> 0:18:54.400 over that connection, and in the emails there's several references 0:18:54.440 --> 0:18:58.520 to her updating Epstein on having lunch with Clinton. Today. 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:03.560 I'm in Mumbai waiting for Clinton I'm somewhere else waiting 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:06.920 for Clinton. She doesn't specify in the emails Witch Clinton 0:19:07.000 --> 0:19:10.040 she is referring to, but it's very clear from the 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:13.280 emails that she did have her own relationship with the 0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:17.520 Clinton world, and this adds to the public reporting out 0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:20.320 there already that she also had a close relationship with 0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:21.160 Chelsea Clinton. 0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:24.520 A spokesperson for Bill Clinton said the Clintons knew nothing 0:19:24.560 --> 0:19:28.360 about Epstein's horrific crimes and quote learned about them when 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:31.399 the rest of the world did. Jason, let me close 0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:34.040 with a big picture question. So, as you've noted, we 0:19:34.119 --> 0:19:36.720 get a sense of Jeffrey Epstein's voice through these emails, 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:40.000 kind of lays bare this contradiction between what Jilane Maxwell 0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:42.760 has said about her relationship with him and what it 0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:45.480 seems like it actually was. How do you think about 0:19:45.480 --> 0:19:48.919 the significance of this corpus of emails, especially on that 0:19:49.000 --> 0:19:51.359 note of that contradiction that her relationship with him might 0:19:51.359 --> 0:19:54.480 have been closer and more enduring than than she said publicly. 0:19:55.080 --> 0:20:02.600 I think these emails are hugely significant and incredibly important 0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:09.520 as it relates to a narrative around Jeffrey Epstein, Julane 0:20:09.520 --> 0:20:14.560 Maxwell and what their world looked like. It adds so 0:20:14.800 --> 0:20:19.000 much to this narrative because even with all the books 0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:22.399 and news stories and court documents and the fights that 0:20:22.440 --> 0:20:26.200 are taking place within the administration right now about releasing 0:20:26.200 --> 0:20:30.840 Epstein files, it underscores that there is still so much 0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:34.640 to learn about their relationship. There is still so much 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:41.080 to learn about the way in which Epstein operated this 0:20:41.440 --> 0:20:45.760 network that resulted in the abuse of according to the 0:20:45.880 --> 0:20:51.680 Justice Department, more than one thousand girls young women, and 0:20:52.320 --> 0:20:56.160 the emails add so much now to that narrative. There's 0:20:56.520 --> 0:21:01.359 quite a bit more that we now understand about his 0:21:01.480 --> 0:21:06.720 operation their partnership as a result. 0:21:08.920 --> 0:21:11.359 This is The Big Take from Bloomberg News. I'm David Burra. 0:21:11.720 --> 0:21:14.159 To get more from The Big Take and unlimited access 0:21:14.200 --> 0:21:17.520 to all of Bloomberg dot com, subscribe today at Bloomberg 0:21:17.560 --> 0:21:21.080 dot com slash podcast offer. If you like this episode, 0:21:21.160 --> 0:21:23.200 make sure to follow and review The Big Take wherever 0:21:23.200 --> 0:21:25.600 you listen to podcasts. It helps people find the show. 0:21:26.000 --> 0:21:27.840 Thanks for listening. We'll be back tomorrow.