1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 2: Bloomberg News has seen what's in Jeffrey Epstein's email Eighteen 3 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 2: thousand messages to and from the disgraced financier and convicted 4 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 2: sex offender from one of his personal email accounts. 5 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:23,600 Speaker 3: There are messages that cover a wide range of topics 6 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 3: and subjects. You have messages about his Amazon shopping habits, 7 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 3: messages about his finances. There's even a message about moving 8 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 3: a forty pound tortoise to and from Epstein's private island. 9 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 2: That's Bloomberg Senior investigative reporter Jason Leopold. 10 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:45,279 Speaker 3: We really get a sense of what was going on 11 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 3: in Epstein's life during these critical years. 12 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 2: These are messages dating back to two thousand and two, 13 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 2: but most of them are from two thousand and five 14 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 2: to two thousand and eight. Bloomberg reporters and data analysts 15 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 2: spent the last month pouring over these emails to better 16 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 2: understand how Epstein built and sustained his vast influence machine 17 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 2: and sex trafficking operation. 18 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 3: We're reading Jeffrey Epstein in his own words, and you're 19 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 3: sort of like a fly on the wall. You get 20 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 3: to look into his wealth, you get to look into 21 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 3: how he emotionally, psychologically manipulated and abused his victim. You 22 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:29,479 Speaker 3: get to see how he worked behind the scenes trying 23 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 3: to beat back these criminal allegations, his indignation as he's 24 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 3: being investigated. Really, though, to me, what stands out is 25 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 3: his callousness toward these young women, these young girls, as 26 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 3: they were brought into his world. 27 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 2: One picture that emerges from these messages is that Julayne Maxwell, 28 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 2: Epstein's one time girlfriend, had a more involved and enduring 29 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 2: role than she said previously. In twenty twenty one, a 30 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 2: jury effect Maxwell guilty of recruiting and grooming women for 31 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 2: Epstein to sexually abuse. Recently, she sought to downplay how 32 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 2: close she was to him. Some of these emails appear 33 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 2: to contradict that. 34 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 4: It certainly adds to questions about her credibility and truthfulness. 35 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 2: Bloomberg Legal reporter Eva Benny Morrison. 36 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 4: I think it certainly poses more questions than it answers 37 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 4: about what the true nature of their relationship was, and 38 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 4: also comes for a critical time from Maxwell. Her lawyers 39 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 4: have indicated that they would welcome any relief from the 40 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 4: Trump administration, whether that looks like a pardon or a 41 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 4: commutation of her twenty year sentence for sex trafficking. 42 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 2: I'm David Gera, and this is the big take from 43 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 2: Bloomberg News Today. On the show, Jeffrey Epstein's emails. What 44 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 2: eighteen thousand never before seen messages reveal about Epstein himself 45 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 2: and his relationships with Glenn Maxwell and powerful people all 46 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 2: over the world. This is an incredible trove of email messages, 47 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 2: and I'm curious sort of what you can tell us 48 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 2: about how you got them. 49 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 3: Sure, I'm going to give you a really short answer. 50 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 3: I cannot discuss anything related to sources or methods. I 51 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 3: sound like the CIA now, but yeah, I really can't 52 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 3: go into anything related to how we were able to 53 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 3: obtain this. 54 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 2: When they did get their hands on this collection of emails, 55 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 2: Jason Leopold and Ava Benny Morrison wanted to see what 56 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 2: they reveal about the relationship between Jeffrey Epstein and Julane Maxwell. 57 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 4: Over the years, We've only really heard Maxwell describe that 58 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 4: relationship in her own words on a few occasions, in 59 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 4: a twenty sixteen deposition and then most recently in a 60 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 4: two day interview with a top DOJ official. 61 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: And I'm I'm gilln Maxwell. 62 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 5: Good morning, as Maxwell, how are you? 63 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 2: July Maxwell sat for an interview with Deputy Attorney General 64 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 2: Todd Blanche. The Justice Department later released the recordings, and 65 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 2: it happened as the Trump administration sought to quiet and 66 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 2: uproar over its refusal to release the so called Epstein files. 67 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:19,239 Speaker 2: The conversation started with Blanche explaining the terms of the interview. 68 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 5: Whatever you talk about today, you have what's called immunity, 69 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 5: So that means that the words that you say today 70 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 5: we cannot use against you in a case in chief 71 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 5: if we were able to bring one. 72 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: Okay, thank you. 73 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 5: There's exceptions to that, the most meaningful one of which 74 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 5: is that if you say something today that's not true, 75 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 5: that's a lie, we can bring a prosecution against you 76 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 5: for what's called false statements. 77 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 2: One of the first things Blanche asked Maxwell about was 78 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 2: how she and Jeffrey Epstein met in nineteen one. 79 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 1: Right, I met him at his officis in on that sale, 80 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 1: And I think the most memorable thing I can think 81 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: about that is he was wearing a tie, which she 82 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: didn't often give. It had a giant so mykel ketch 83 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 1: up ste sounds like, well, okay. 84 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 4: She really described herself as a one time girlfriend of Epstein, 85 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 4: someone who was then hired to become his property manager 86 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:21,479 Speaker 4: and look after his luxury homes all over the world, 87 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 4: but was drifting away from him as she entered into 88 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 4: a long term relationship with someone else. She has said 89 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 4: that her role in his life was very, very diminished 90 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 4: by about two thousand and eight when he reported to 91 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 4: jail in Florida. 92 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,239 Speaker 5: So when he's going to go to jail, he says, 93 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 5: can you stay around and manage everything? 94 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 2: Yeah? 95 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 5: And do you do that? I do, okay, and then 96 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 5: we'll come back to that. 97 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: We'll not manage everything now. I mean there are other 98 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: people at this point most specific role than was very 99 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: very diminished. 100 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 4: But these emails seem to call into question the truthfulness 101 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 4: of some of those statements. You know, in two thousand 102 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 4: and eight alone, as he was preparing to to prison, 103 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 4: they were exchanging emails at a rate of almost one 104 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 4: per day. As she was helping wind down his affairs, 105 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 4: his properties all are around the world. He was going 106 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:16,479 Speaker 4: to her for advice on the minutia of the state 107 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,919 Speaker 4: charges that he might play guilty to. So it shows 108 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 4: a real consistency of communication that contrasts I think, and 109 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 4: conflicts with some of her statements publicly about when they 110 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 4: ceased contact. 111 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 2: There's also correspondence that shows the two of them remained 112 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 2: incredibly close personally. 113 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 4: On two occasions in two thousand and five. In two 114 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 4: thousand and seven, they are discussing a shared fertility procedure. 115 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,840 Speaker 2: The first time was in October two thousand and five, 116 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 2: just days after police showed up at Epstein's home with 117 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 2: a search warrant, Maxwell sent Epstein detailed instructions for a 118 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 2: sperm donation. She said he could collect a sample at home, 119 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 2: but it had to be within ninety minutes of a 120 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:02,679 Speaker 2: procedure she had scheduled. About two years later, Maxwell emailed 121 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 2: Epstein another set of instructions at another critical moment. 122 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 4: In two thousand and seven. One of these email exchanges 123 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 4: occurred just as he was preparing to sign a non 124 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 4: prosecution agreement with federal prosecutors, So that really undercuts what 125 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 4: Maxwell has said about the presence that she had in 126 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 4: his life, saying that she was pretty much all but 127 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 4: absent from his orbit by that point. 128 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 2: Maxwell has maintained Epstein kept her in the dark about 129 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 2: the details of his first sexual abuse case from the 130 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 2: mid two thousands. But these emails show she not only 131 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 2: knew about the legal issues he faced, but she also 132 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 2: helped him strategize during his negotiations with federal prosecutors. 133 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 3: These emails really do demonstrate her knowledge of the legal 134 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 3: jeopardy that Epstein faced in two thousand and six leading 135 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 3: up to this non prosecution agreement that he had signed 136 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 3: that you saw him essentially escaped federal charges. 137 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 2: In exchange for immunity from those federal charges. Epstein agreed 138 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 2: to plead guilty to two state felonies in Florida, including 139 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 2: procuring miners to engage in prostitution. Again, he consulted with 140 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:18,119 Speaker 2: Maxwell over email while he and prosecutors negotiated that deal, 141 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 2: so she was very. 142 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 3: Much in the know. You know, he's asking her, what 143 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 3: do you prefer loudon lascivious conduct or procuring miners for prostitution, 144 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 3: and you know, she's responding essentially by saying that she 145 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:36,319 Speaker 3: would prefer the former for the most part. 146 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 2: Take us to two thousand and nine, So Jeffrey Epstein 147 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 2: gets out of jail. Then he served thirteen months of 148 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 2: an eighteen month sentence. Julian Maxwell has told the Department 149 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 2: of Justice that back then, her relationship with him was 150 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:50,319 Speaker 2: quote almost non existent. What can we learn from the 151 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 2: emails about that period of. 152 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 3: Time, Well, there's a gap in the emails, and the 153 00:08:55,040 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 3: communications pick up again around twenty fourteen, when Maxwell herself 154 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:07,959 Speaker 3: was under scrutiny for conspiring with Epstein in the trafficking 155 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 3: of young girls. 156 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 2: One of those accusers was Virginia Giuffrey. In twenty fourteen, 157 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 2: Gufrey accused Maxwell of helping Epstein find and traffic teenagers. 158 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 2: That same year, Maxwell sent Epstein a request quote can 159 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 2: you send me the file on Virginia that your lawyers 160 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:26,839 Speaker 2: have or whatever info you have on her? And by 161 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 2: early twenty fifteen, Maxwell wrote to Epstein she planned to 162 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 2: distribute that dossier to others. 163 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 3: So the communications between Maxwell and Epstein around twenty fourteen 164 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 3: really shows how Maxwell went on the offensive on the 165 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 3: offensive in terms of her plans to attack and discredit 166 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 3: one of the victims who had accused her of being 167 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:55,319 Speaker 3: a co conspirator. And she's exchanging emails with Epstein over 168 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 3: the course of a year more or less and disclosing 169 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 3: what she planned to do and how she intended to 170 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:10,479 Speaker 3: be incredibly aggressive in defending her reputation. 171 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 2: Jeffrey went on to sue Maxwell for defamation for calling 172 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 2: her a liar in a public statement, and that case 173 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 2: was eventually settled out of court. Jeffrey died earlier this year. 174 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:28,079 Speaker 2: Her family says the cause of death was suicide. Avid. 175 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 2: There's more than correspondence here in these emails, as a spreadsheet, 176 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 2: the kind of details what Jeffrey Epstein is spending money on, 177 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 2: and that includes gifts of watches, cash transfers, gifts of lingerie. 178 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 4: This is one of the most fascinating parts of this 179 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,959 Speaker 4: inbox was this spreadsheet. We had heard over the years 180 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 4: how Epstein lavished gifts upon the victims and associates, but 181 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:57,679 Speaker 4: this spreadsheet really gives a meticulous insight into how he 182 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 4: tracked a number of these cashtress and gifts one point 183 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 4: eight million dollars worth over a three year period. In 184 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 4: many of the entries, there's a description of the item 185 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 4: that's been purchased or the amount of money that is 186 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 4: being wired, and why it's being wired, and who the 187 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 4: recipient is and the date. Many of the recipients are 188 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 4: young women, assistants that worked for him, women who would 189 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 4: go on years later to accuse Epstein of abuse and 190 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 4: even Maxwell in facilitating that abuse. For example, there is 191 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 4: purchases from the lingerie chain Vitoria Secrets. There are chocolates there, 192 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 4: tuition fees for massage schools, cash payments to cover rent. 193 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 4: For one particular victim, the initials GM appear next to 194 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 4: about two hundred and fifty entries, suggesting that Maxwell had 195 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 4: a role in at least helping Epstein distribute some of 196 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 4: these gifts. We actually spoke to one victim who received 197 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:01,079 Speaker 4: just over seventy five thousand dollars in gives and payments 198 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 4: while she was being abused by Epstein, and she really 199 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 4: described how Epstein weaponized his wealth like this and used 200 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 4: these gifts to exert control over the young women and 201 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 4: isolated them so they were completely dependent upon him. 202 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 2: Jason, there are emails here with the names and ages 203 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 2: of young women, sometimes even accompanied by photos. Can you 204 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 2: describe those exchanges, those messages. 205 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 3: As Eva noted, there were a number of women, young 206 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 3: women who were working as recruiters for Epstein, and it 207 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 3: would seem that these recruiters would set out to find 208 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 3: other young girls for Epstein. And you know, there's one 209 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 3: email here that is pretty disturbing, and it describes a 210 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 3: nineteen year old woman who's based in Brooklyn. She may 211 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 3: be someone that she could bring in to Epstein's orbit, 212 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 3: and so there's a description. 213 00:12:59,559 --> 00:12:59,959 Speaker 1: She's fire. 214 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 3: She's a little curvy, pretty face, long brown hair, hazel eyes. 215 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 3: And this recruiter states that, you know, I already told 216 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 3: her she could be rewarded for help with her girlfriends. 217 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 2: Basically, this recruiter thinks she may have found another potential recruiter. 218 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 2: But first the email notes this new girl said she 219 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 2: quote needs to try herself to see what it is. 220 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 3: And Epstein responds to this email, you know, describing her, 221 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 3: she is too big, but if you think it important, 222 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 3: you know, I could do it one time in the afternoon. 223 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 3: So the emails just show how the recruiting essentially kind 224 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 3: of how it worked, and Epstein's responds to the girls 225 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 3: that were presented to. 226 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 2: Him after the break. The powerful people who appear in 227 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 2: this cache of emails, including former President Clinton and the 228 00:13:50,480 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 2: current president Donald Trump. Six years after Jeffrey Epstein's death, 229 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 2: there is still intense interest in identifying who was in 230 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 2: his network, the men and women he met with, and 231 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 2: the friendships he had with prominent politicians and executives and celebrities. 232 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 2: I asked Bloomberg's ava Benny Morrison, what we can learn 233 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 2: about Epstein's relationships with those people from the eighteen thousand 234 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 2: emails Bloomberg News has obtained. 235 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 4: What we can see is that Maxwell actually plays a 236 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 4: part in facilitating some of these connections. So in a 237 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 4: couple of instances, she's passing on greetings from designer Tommy 238 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 4: hillfigure from Martha Stewart. She's also urging Epstein to host 239 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 4: Google co founder Sergey Brynn at his private island in 240 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 4: the US Virgin Islands. 241 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 2: Representatives for Hillfigure, Stuart, and Brynn did not respond to 242 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 2: requests for comment. 243 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 4: In another example, in an email from Maxwell in September 244 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 4: two thousand and six, just a couple of months after 245 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 4: news broke about Epstein's arrest on prostitution charges in Florida, 246 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 4: she sends through a list of fifty one names politicians, 247 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 4: Wall Street power brokers, and business executives, including the likes 248 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 4: of former CEO of Best Earns Jimmy Kain and the 249 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 4: former Barclays CEO Jess Staley. 250 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 2: Cain died in twenty twenty one. Staley did not respond 251 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 2: to a request for comment. 252 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 4: She asked him to review the list and remove or 253 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 4: add any names that he sees fit Epstein replies and 254 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 4: tells her to remove Donald Trump's name. 255 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 2: The email has no subject line or additional commentary, so 256 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 2: it's impossible to know whether they were planning an event, 257 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 2: preparing a list of holiday card recipients, or something else. 258 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 2: Jason picking up on that, how often does Donald Trump 259 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 2: appear in these emails? 260 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 3: Great question? He only appears a few times in the emails. 261 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 3: Trump's name services again around the time where you know 262 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 3: Epstein and his legal team were trying to get federal 263 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 3: prosecutors to drop the case against him, And this time 264 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 3: it's in any email that Maxwell sends Epstein in August 265 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 3: of two thousand and seven, and just a month before 266 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 3: he signed this controversial non prosecution agreement. And she says 267 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 3: in the email, you have to assume they went to 268 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 3: Donald Trump, and she references other individuals and also notes 269 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 3: documents in West Palm Beach. It's possible that Maxwell may 270 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 3: have been referring to reporters who are covering Epstein, you 271 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 3: know at the time, but it's not entirely clear. And 272 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 3: you know, we did reach out to the White House 273 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 3: and ask them to comment on this, and they provided 274 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 3: us with a statement that they called this fake news. 275 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 2: Ava says that spreadsheet we talked about earlier, which included 276 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 2: information about gifts Jeffrey Epstein sent to girls he abused, 277 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 2: also included details about payment's Epstein made and presence he 278 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 2: sent to his employees and apparently intended to send to 279 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 2: some high profile people. 280 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 4: For example, there is a line item for a thirty 281 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 4: five thousand dollars watch purchase for dB and when we've 282 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 4: dug into the emails, we've found some correspondence between Maxwell 283 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 4: and Epstein talking about purchasing a very nice watch for 284 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 4: Doug Band, who was a former aide to President Bill 285 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:28,880 Speaker 4: Clinton and the architecture of his post presidency. In those emails, 286 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 4: they're discussing the payment of it and making sure he 287 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 4: gets it for Christmas, and whether the note should be 288 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 4: just from Epstein or from Maxwell or from both of them. 289 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 4: And I think the Doug Band reference is particularly interesting 290 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 4: because it is a window into Maxwell's relationship with the 291 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 4: Clinton world. I will point out that when we went 292 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 4: to Doug Band for comment about the watch, a spokesperson 293 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 4: for him said that he never received a watch from Maxwell. 294 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 4: There's also a entry for a seven one thousand dollars 295 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 4: purchase at Alexis Dealership for Alan Dershowitz. Alan Dershowitz is 296 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:08,880 Speaker 4: a very well known lawyer. He's a Harvard law professor, 297 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 4: and he was representing Jeffrey Epstein during his negotiations with 298 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 4: prosecutors in Florida. And when we spoke to Alan about it, 299 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:20,919 Speaker 4: he said, yes, my wife drove the car. Mostly I 300 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:21,880 Speaker 4: didn't really like it. 301 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 2: Dershowitz told Bloomberg that when they'd pick up Epstein on 302 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 2: visits to Martha's vineyard, he didn't like the fact that 303 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 2: their old car didn't have air conditioning, so he bought 304 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 2: them a new one. Dershwitz says it was part of 305 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 2: his legal fees. Bill Clinton's name came up during that 306 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 2: interview in July between Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche and 307 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 2: Julane Maxwell. She said the former president was actually her friend, 308 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 2: not Epstein's. 309 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 4: It's interesting because she seems to kind of like claim 310 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:54,400 Speaker 4: over that connection, and in the emails there's several references 311 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 4: to her updating Epstein on having lunch with Clinton. Today. 312 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 4: I'm in Mumbai waiting for Clinton I'm somewhere else waiting 313 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 4: for Clinton. She doesn't specify in the emails Witch Clinton 314 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 4: she is referring to, but it's very clear from the 315 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 4: emails that she did have her own relationship with the 316 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 4: Clinton world, and this adds to the public reporting out 317 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 4: there already that she also had a close relationship with 318 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:21,160 Speaker 4: Chelsea Clinton. 319 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 2: A spokesperson for Bill Clinton said the Clintons knew nothing 320 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:28,360 Speaker 2: about Epstein's horrific crimes and quote learned about them when 321 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 2: the rest of the world did. Jason, let me close 322 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 2: with a big picture question. So, as you've noted, we 323 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 2: get a sense of Jeffrey Epstein's voice through these emails, 324 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 2: kind of lays bare this contradiction between what Jilane Maxwell 325 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 2: has said about her relationship with him and what it 326 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 2: seems like it actually was. How do you think about 327 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,919 Speaker 2: the significance of this corpus of emails, especially on that 328 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 2: note of that contradiction that her relationship with him might 329 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 2: have been closer and more enduring than than she said publicly. 330 00:19:55,080 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 3: I think these emails are hugely significant and incredibly important 331 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 3: as it relates to a narrative around Jeffrey Epstein, Julane 332 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 3: Maxwell and what their world looked like. It adds so 333 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 3: much to this narrative because even with all the books 334 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 3: and news stories and court documents and the fights that 335 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 3: are taking place within the administration right now about releasing 336 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 3: Epstein files, it underscores that there is still so much 337 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:34,640 Speaker 3: to learn about their relationship. There is still so much 338 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 3: to learn about the way in which Epstein operated this 339 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 3: network that resulted in the abuse of according to the 340 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 3: Justice Department, more than one thousand girls young women, and 341 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:56,160 Speaker 3: the emails add so much now to that narrative. There's 342 00:20:56,520 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 3: quite a bit more that we now understand about his 343 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 3: operation their partnership as a result. 344 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 2: This is The Big Take from Bloomberg News. I'm David Burra. 345 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 2: To get more from The Big Take and unlimited access 346 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 2: to all of Bloomberg dot com, subscribe today at Bloomberg 347 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 2: dot com slash podcast offer. If you like this episode, 348 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 2: make sure to follow and review The Big Take wherever 349 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 2: you listen to podcasts. It helps people find the show. 350 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening. We'll be back tomorrow.