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Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: I'm wrapping up my vacation, so no monologue today, but

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Speaker 1: stay tuned for an interview with Jason Mattera. I'll be

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Speaker 1: back with a monologue on Monday.

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Speaker 2: And more great interviews for you. Thanks for listening. My

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Speaker 2: guest today is best selling author and writer Jason Mattera.

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Speaker 3: Hi, Jason, Hey, Carol. Great to be on the show.

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Speaker 2: So nice to have you on. So you and I

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Speaker 2: have this funny connection where we went to the same

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Speaker 2: high school but not at the same time, which we

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Speaker 2: only recently figured out right, not at the same time

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Speaker 2: part because I knew who you were, like, we knew

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Speaker 2: each other, but we didn't go there at the same time.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think we found out. It was at a

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Speaker 3: sea pack many years ago. We were just chatting. I

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Speaker 3: think there was a there's a long time ago, so

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Speaker 3: I could be miss remembering the details, but there was

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Speaker 3: like a blogger's row who you were there? There was

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Speaker 3: yes and okay, so I'd go there, and you know,

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Speaker 3: part of my job there was just to talk to

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Speaker 3: the bloggers. I was working for Young America's Foundation at

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Speaker 3: the at the time, and you know, It was a

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Speaker 3: great conversation. And you and I were talking and you

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Speaker 3: was like, oh, yeah, I went to I went to Brooklyn.

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Speaker 3: You're saying you went to grew up in Brooklyn. You

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Speaker 3: you went to high school in Brooklyn. I was like,

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Speaker 3: oh yeah, I went to high school and the middle

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Speaker 3: school in bay Ridge. And You're like, yeah, me too,

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Speaker 3: and like, okay, well there's only a few high schools

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Speaker 3: and middle schools in bay Ridge. And then you told

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Speaker 3: me it was a Delphi Academy. Oay here, you know, Well,

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Speaker 3: so what.

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Speaker 2: Makes it extra funny is it's a tiny, tiny school.

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Speaker 2: My graduating grade was thirty two people, like it was

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Speaker 2: in the entire grade, not just my class. How big

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Speaker 2: was your class?

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Speaker 3: I never graduated from there. I ended up transferring because

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Speaker 3: their athletic department fell apart and I was there on

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Speaker 3: a basketball scholarship, right, yeah, yeah, totally fell afar it.

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Speaker 3: I think a sophomore has.

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Speaker 2: A lot going for it. But then, you know, every

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Speaker 2: few years it kind.

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Speaker 3: Of used to just blow up, and I was part

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Speaker 3: of that evisceration. But the class sizes were small. I

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Speaker 3: mean I maybe had like fifteen seventeen kids in the class.

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Speaker 3: It was it was, it wouldn't have been a very

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Speaker 3: large graduating class.

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Speaker 2: But so see, the thing is that, like I again,

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Speaker 2: I recall the meeting you at Seapack, but I feel

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Speaker 2: like we already might have known that we went to

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Speaker 2: the same school, which again it's a small school. Maybe

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Speaker 2: we just like heard through mutual people. But I remember

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Speaker 2: like meeting you and being like, we both went to

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Speaker 2: the same school. You know, it's just it's it's funny.

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Speaker 2: But now we both live in South Florida, where Floridians

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Speaker 2: where ex Brooklyn Floridians. How's that going?

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Speaker 3: Oh, Florida is a paradise. So I moved out of

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Speaker 3: Brooklyn when I was seventeen years old, went to college

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Speaker 3: after I got married my wife. My wife convinced me

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Speaker 3: she hated the DC area. I mean, she did not

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Speaker 3: like you start woman, the lack of community everywhere. I mean,

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Speaker 3: she's she's conservative, of course, you know you met her,

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Speaker 3: we hung out, but she's not really into the day

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Speaker 3: to day politics and she was just bored her. So

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Speaker 3: her real estate company at the time was in Seattle

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Speaker 3: it still is, and I was working for Warner brothers

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Speaker 3: don't we just go back to Seattle. I was like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: what happened, I'll live in the Pacific. We're in Seattle

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Speaker 3: for ten years and just got it was always liberal,

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Speaker 3: but it just went Yeah during BLM, George, you know,

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Speaker 3: you're like, wait a second, there aren't just homeless junkies

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Speaker 3: what like you forget what sanity.

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Speaker 3: With our public officials look like like you like, you

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Speaker 3: able to compare it like Seattle, the same thing for La,

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Speaker 3: like we're done with that. I mean, I understand the

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Speaker 3: people who feel like they're called to Like I remember,

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Speaker 3: you know you talked to Alicia Krause, good friend, and

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Speaker 3: her and her husband feel like they called to La.

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Speaker 3: That's fine, Like I get it. Uh, that's your mission field, Okay, cool,

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Speaker 3: I'll be praying for you, but I ain't gonna be

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Speaker 2: I you know. The thing is, I love that conversation

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Speaker 2: a comment on somebody who's like Instagram post where they're

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Speaker 2: you don't. You have to stay and fight, you know.

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Speaker 2: So like I get her, I really do, And I

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Speaker 2: think that in a lot of ways. I mean, I'm

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Speaker 2: sure you did. Also, we stayed and fought as long

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Speaker 2: second things got bad, we were out. We stayed for years.

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Speaker 2: We considered it for years and it was tough. It

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Speaker 2: not to compare like New York City to suburbs of

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Speaker 2: equal comparisons, but like New York to Miami, for example,

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Speaker 2: when something goes wrong in Miami, it gets fixed. It's

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Speaker 2: not perfect. It's still a city, it still has homeless people,

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Speaker 2: you know, there's a pothole, Someone's gonna come fix it. This.

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Speaker 3: It's a difference between obviously there's no utopia if you're

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Speaker 3: looking for utopia, and I'm gonna find it on this

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Speaker 3: this side of life, but there's no toleration of dysfunction, yes,

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Speaker 3: And that's that's the key. And I remember when when

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Speaker 2: To just know, Jason has two sets of twins, like hero,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I have gray hair now. It's because, uh, four

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Speaker 3: a shock to the body. But so I remember, I'm, I'm.

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Speaker 3: I was like, what are you what do you want

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely, I mean childhood is so short. This was

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Speaker 2: and I couldn't have them have that be their childhood.

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Speaker 2: The thing about police, though, it's like, you know, you

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Speaker 2: can't do anything like, it's like they're literally their hands

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Speaker 2: The feeling of like why would I risk myself? Is?

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Speaker 3: And the virtual reality. We use the phrase virtue segnaling,

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Speaker 3: and ideologue ideologies that that have warped people's minds. But

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Speaker 3: I think more fundamental is we're doing. When I went

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Speaker 3: back to and said, you know, our problem was world views,

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Speaker 3: and we had you know, we had a Judeo Christian consensus,

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Speaker 3: it was it was a spiritual aspect to this all,

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Speaker 3: and it really was, there's there's we were accountable to

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Speaker 3: God ultimately, and we have to govern ourselves and our

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Speaker 3: families and our churches. And I think those who maybe

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Speaker 3: not on the hard left, but those who still who

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Speaker 3: would consider that that religion and matters of the spirit

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Speaker 3: are important to them need to come to that understanding

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Speaker 3: and realize that really the government, this behemoth out there

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Speaker 3: is not like, is not a god and is acting

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Speaker 3: like a God, and this is a false deity. And

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Speaker 3: once they come to that point where there's is the

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Speaker 3: lack of trust in government, maybe layers can be built

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Speaker 3: back where they're more understanding of where right of center

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Speaker 3: folks are coming from. But you know, Carol, we we've had,

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Speaker 3: you know, the progressive error which started this right beginning

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Speaker 3: of the twentieth century, even a little bit before that

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Speaker 3: up until now, so we've had more than one hundred

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Speaker 3: years of sowing these seeds of disarray and decay and

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Speaker 3: disbelief in the American experiment and it's just going to

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Speaker 3: take time. I don't think we can. One election is

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Speaker 3: not going to do it. You know, if we look

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Speaker 3: at the candidates who we have, you know, I know

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Speaker 3: you and I look at what's going on, and we say,

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Speaker 3: we could have had the guy. We could we could

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Speaker 3: had the Santus on stage and we would be actually

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Speaker 3: talking about, you know, about issues. But you only can

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Speaker 3: play the hands that you were dealt. So I think

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Speaker 3: each election is important because it sort of either accelerates

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Speaker 3: the bleeding or staunch is the bleeding. But more importantly,

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Speaker 3: people need to really get I would say, on a

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Speaker 3: local level. That's where the change is going to happen.

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Speaker 3: It's not going to happen top down. It's going to

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Speaker 3: happen organically. People getting involved in their houses of worship,

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Speaker 3: They're getting involved with their communities. They're not neglecting their

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Speaker 3: families or having strong families. And I think you said

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Speaker 3: something that is so key is that the left is

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Speaker 3: not reproducing conservatives in the most part having big families, right,

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Speaker 3: The left isn't doing that. So they're looking for the

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Speaker 3: area of reproduction and that's the classroom. And that's why

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Speaker 3: school choice is so important. That's why it's getting accountability

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Speaker 3: for the curricular that's out there is so important, and

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Speaker 3: that's why the left is pushing back. That's why to

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Speaker 3: a normal person like, wait, can't the drag clean stay

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Speaker 3: out of public libraries for kids? Like why do you

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Speaker 3: have to read pornography? Like what do you have to

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Speaker 3: read gay porn in school?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 3: What? Well?

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Speaker 2: What I always say about that is that nobody runs on, hey,

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Speaker 2: let's have porn in the school library. It's very insidious.

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Speaker 2: It's not open. It's it's all very like if you

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Speaker 2: don't like what we're doing, then you're the book burner,

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Speaker 2: and it's not If it was out in the open,

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Speaker 2: I think it'd be a much clearer conversation.

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Speaker 3: But you know, well it's not there. But how have

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Speaker 3: we I think we fought back successfully on the local level,

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Speaker 3: and it's been organic movements, you know, moms and dads

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Speaker 3: going and running for city council or school council and

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Speaker 3: making these changes. I think too often we can because

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Speaker 3: the left operates this way. They view in big federal

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Speaker 3: government terms, we've got to get in and we've got

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Speaker 3: to change everything from on high. I think it's conservatives

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Speaker 3: take the opposite strategy and just change your If you

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Speaker 3: can change your local community, if you can run your

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Speaker 3: family successfully and you know, really disciple with your kids

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Speaker 3: and making sure that you're having the biggest impact there

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Speaker 3: and the kids around you, then we're in ensuring that

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Speaker 3: there's another generation that is in stilled with the values

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Speaker 3: of freedom and carry that on. So I always think, like, what,

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Speaker 3: especially in political seasons, it's chaotic, it can be overwhelming.

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Speaker 3: You like, we we can cover it, but we have

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Speaker 3: very little power other than voting or reporting. Right, We're

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Speaker 3: we're sort of we are following what's happening, but it's

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Speaker 3: not like we can pull the levers really much, right,

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Speaker 3: So we just got to have to report on it

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Speaker 3: and cast or vote where it happens. But where we

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Speaker 3: do have power, and that is with our families, with

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Speaker 3: our local communities. It's like, maximize that, exploit that as

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Speaker 3: much as possible and really set the tone in the

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Speaker 3: spheres that you can govern. And if conservatives were were

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Speaker 3: intent on doing that, I think they can have some

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Speaker 3: generational impacts. Again, we're not taught like playing the wrong

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Speaker 3: game here. The left play the long game. Conservatives have

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Speaker 3: to play the long game.

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Speaker 2: I love that and it's optimistic, you know, the you

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Speaker 2: can make changes on these smaller levels that will last

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Speaker 2: for a long time. I think that's the way that

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Speaker 2: the path forward. I like that a lot. We're going

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Speaker 2: to take a quick break and be right back on

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Speaker 2: the Carol Marcowitch Show. So end here with your best

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Speaker 2: tip for my listeners on how they can improve their lives.

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Speaker 2: And maybe that is maybe it's focused on your family.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, you know, maybe you're asking for tips to give.

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Speaker 2: To other peoples.

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Speaker 3: No, you're gonna regret this, Carol, your listen. Now, well,

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Speaker 3: I'm a work in progress in this I'll tell you

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Speaker 3: all I know works in progress, but admits a chaotic

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Speaker 3: election season and again it can be all consuming. What

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Speaker 3: I've what I've learned over the years is it's helped.

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Speaker 3: It's helped me as an individual, which which helps me

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Speaker 3: be a better husband, better father, And that is to

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Speaker 3: have daily rhythms that I'm ensuring I'm hitting and rhythms

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Speaker 3: hit the body, the soul of the mind. Right, So, uh,

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Speaker 3: the body, Like, regardless of what my schedule is, I'm

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Speaker 3: trying to get to the gym or do some type

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Speaker 3: of exercise every single day at least find easy, right,

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Speaker 3: and my wife, I'm like, I'll take the kids. Both

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Speaker 3: of you love to run, go for run, Like we

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Speaker 3: need to work on our bodies. We need to be

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Speaker 3: able to It sounds cheesy, but it's true. Like you

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Speaker 3: need the right level of sleep. It's amazing how better

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Speaker 3: you feel when you exercise you sleep well in your

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Speaker 3: diet is you know somewhat Okay, I'm working on the

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Speaker 3: diet part because kids love their chicken fingers and French fries,

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Speaker 3: and I want to salad at the restaurant, right my,

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna be healthy and then I'm just like coaching

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Speaker 3: there their French friese not letting even go to ways less,

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Speaker 3: especially in this Biden economy, that's expensive right there. Needing

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Speaker 3: that so body right, nourishing, nourishing the soul, the spirit.

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Speaker 3: For me, I'm trying to set the pace of my day,

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Speaker 3: my mindset. In the morning, it's a devotion, reading the Bible,

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Speaker 3: whatever that is for a person to nourish their inner

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Speaker 3: man and get that day started where again brings it back.

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Speaker 3: It's not just a temporal, materialistic reality, but there's a

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Speaker 3: spiritual reality too. So let's say focus on that. That's

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Speaker 3: that's helped put it for me, put things in perspective

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Speaker 3: and the mind right. There's so much learning out there,

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Speaker 3: and that's why your original question, have I made it?

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Speaker 3: I'm like, man, there's so much to know. I don't

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Speaker 3: think I'll ever make it in that is, the older

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Speaker 3: you get, the more you realize how little you do

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Speaker 3: know about how the world works. So I'm always looking

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Speaker 3: for new ways to learn a new skill or learn

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Speaker 3: something different, I think, and now with podcasts with AI

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Speaker 3: and I'm been on an AI vendor just listening to

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Speaker 3: so many podcasts. I've never thought i'd be listening to

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Speaker 3: on people discuss it in depth and detail. And I'm

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Speaker 3: not necessarily a coder or my technical skills are very limited,

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Speaker 3: but it's interesting, it's fascinating, and I'm like, it's always

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Speaker 3: nourishing the mind and doing something and you know, I'll

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Speaker 3: still doing that and setting a rhythm that takes place

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Speaker 3: within my work schedule, so my you know, my hobbies,

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Speaker 3: my passion is still the same. But if I know

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Speaker 3: that I'm hitting these three rhythms that focuses on my body,

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Speaker 3: my spirit, in my mind every day as best as

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Speaker 3: my ability, and I just feel better. So I would

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Speaker 3: encourage Again, it's me personally, but I think your listeners

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Speaker 3: should should give it a shot at least one of

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Speaker 3: the three and see where it goes.

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Speaker 2: I like that a lot. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: coming on. He is Jason Mattera. Read his books. He's

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Speaker 2: such a great writer. Check him out anywhere. Where. Can

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Speaker 2: people find you.

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Speaker 3: Twitter or x on the Twitter check.

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Speaker 2: Twitter.

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Speaker 3: Thanks so much, Jason, Thank you, Carol,