WEBVTT - 022424 Why is Biden Losing Support from Black People? (Part 1)

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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting from the Hip Hop Weekly Studios. I'd like to

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<v Speaker 1>welcome you to another episode of Civic Cipher, where our

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<v Speaker 1>mission is to foster allyship empathy and understanding. I am

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<v Speaker 1>your host, ramses Josh.

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<v Speaker 2>He is Ramsay's joh I am q Ward. You are

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<v Speaker 2>tuned into civic cycling, did you are?

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<v Speaker 1>And stick around for this ride Because it's still Black

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<v Speaker 1>history mok so, we thought we might share some things

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<v Speaker 1>that typically come up around this time of year, most

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<v Speaker 1>notably why is there not a white history money? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>This is a conversation that black people are forced to answer.

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<v Speaker 1>Some people have the patients and the insight be fair

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<v Speaker 1>to answer it, and some folks do not have the patience.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's very frustrating because not everyone is a great

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<v Speaker 1>orator and eloquent speaker, and trying to explain something like this,

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<v Speaker 1>that is it requires a profound explanation for an enquiring mind.

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<v Speaker 2>I think some people also feel that the questions are

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<v Speaker 2>not asked in good faith.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure that too, It's kind of like they're expecting, like

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<v Speaker 1>I got your moment when they ask the question. And

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<v Speaker 1>so we are going to help you with that and

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully you'll be able to help other people with that

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<v Speaker 1>question and many other questions like it, they'll stick around

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<v Speaker 1>for that. We're also going to be talking about something

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<v Speaker 1>that we have to start paying attention to, which is

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<v Speaker 1>the erosion of black support from President Joe Biden's campaign.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not something that we can pretend is not happening,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, we're going to do our best to

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<v Speaker 1>make sense of it, and you know, share our thoughts

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<v Speaker 1>of course, and then if there is any action steps

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<v Speaker 1>that make themselves apparent to us in our conversation, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>we're happy to share those with you. But for now,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just something that we need to be mindful of

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<v Speaker 1>as we move into the future. But before we cross

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<v Speaker 1>those bridges, we are going to start off with some

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<v Speaker 1>ebony accents, shall we? I think we shall.

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<v Speaker 2>of career accomplishments explain why Greaters owner Mark Davis pursued

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<v Speaker 2>her to run the business operations of his storied NFL franchise.

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<v Speaker 2>When she was hired in July, she became the first

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<v Speaker 2>black woman in NFL history to serve as president of

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<v Speaker 2>an NFL franchise. She says, and I quote, I do

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<v Speaker 2>think I underestimated how much attention my higher would receive

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<v Speaker 2>because I was so focused on the raiders in making

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<v Speaker 2>sure that the employees knew how I planned on implementing

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<v Speaker 2>Mark's vision for the future here.

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<v Speaker 1>In Las Vegas.

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<v Speaker 2>And this was after the team relocated from the Bay Area,

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<v Speaker 2>most notably Oakland, California, to Las Vegas. She continued, quote,

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<v Speaker 2>but I am slowly sorry, realizing based on conversations with

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<v Speaker 2>people throughout the league, that disappointment is historic and that

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<v Speaker 2>impressive resume includes being in a house, council and litigation

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<v Speaker 2>attorney at law firms big and small City attorney for

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<v Speaker 2>nor North Las Vegas, director of external Affairs for ATNT,

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<v Speaker 2>member of the Nevada Gaming Commission, chair of the Nevada

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<v Speaker 2>Gaming Control Board, and member of the board of directors

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<v Speaker 2>for corporations such as Caesars Entertainment, Family, National Financial, and

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<v Speaker 2>Allegiance Travel. Now she is first black female president in

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<v Speaker 2>an NFL. Credible trailblazer for Sisters all over the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely keep going, all right, So.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Biden, once upon a time, I remember we was

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<v Speaker 1>reworking song lyrics so that we could get something off

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<v Speaker 1>that we really wanted to say. And I remember they

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<v Speaker 1>reworked the TI whatever you like song to say I

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<v Speaker 1>want Joe Biden, need Joe Biden so or whatever t

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<v Speaker 1>I said. So. Yeah, once upon a time, Joe Biden

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<v Speaker 1>was I don't want to say he was black people's

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<v Speaker 1>first choice.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, you hear me use this term often That

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<v Speaker 2>would be intellectually dishonest. You really have to go through

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<v Speaker 2>some gymnastics mentally to make that inaccurate choice. It was,

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<v Speaker 2>once again, which is far too often the case for

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<v Speaker 2>black vote in this country, choosing the lesser of two evils.

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Biden made famous to most young progressive black people

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<v Speaker 2>in this country by his authoring, not just support of

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<v Speaker 2>the crime Deal. So Joe Biden was not and is not,

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<v Speaker 2>a very popular candidate, probably less so now than before.

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<v Speaker 1>Now. What I will do is suggest that because Joe

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<v Speaker 1>Biden was Obama's former VP, he did have some name

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<v Speaker 1>recognition they gave him with us, and so there was that,

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<v Speaker 1>But we saw something happen something interesting happened to Bernie

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<v Speaker 1>Sanders both times, which is, Bernie Sanders effectively got cut

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<v Speaker 1>out of the equation after being so successful that you

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<v Speaker 1>could conceive of him as becoming the Democratic nominee. And

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<v Speaker 1>those of us in the loop have theories that would

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<v Speaker 1>make sense. We say, I'm out loud that music spell.

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<v Speaker 1>People like Hillary Clinton, people like Joe Biden are not

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<v Speaker 1>as far left as Bernie Sanders. And for folks that

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<v Speaker 1>will not vote for another Trump presidency, they also will

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<v Speaker 1>not vote for a Bernie Sanders presidency. So the best

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<v Speaker 1>chance the Democrats have to win is getting a Democrat

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<v Speaker 1>who won't scare Republicans so much that they won't vote

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<v Speaker 1>for either candidate. And so despite what the Democratic electorate

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<v Speaker 1>would have wanted, you know, Dave Chappelle said that Hillary

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<v Speaker 1>Clinton karate kicked Bernie Sanders legs out from under him,

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<v Speaker 1>and and you know, that's that's kind of what happens.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, there's a there's more people than the folks

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<v Speaker 1>that were seeing that that have a degree of influence

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<v Speaker 1>on how these things shake out. And so that those

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<v Speaker 1>of us in the loop feel like that is probably

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<v Speaker 1>the decision making that took place, and that's why we

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<v Speaker 1>never got a chance to vote for Bernie Sanders.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'd argue that we'll never have a chance to

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<v Speaker 2>vote for anyone similar to Bernie Sanders. And by that

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<v Speaker 2>I just mean someone who tries to present themselves independent

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<v Speaker 2>of the two party system that has governed us for

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<v Speaker 2>the entirety of this nation. You know, you're not allowed

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<v Speaker 2>to not be a part of.

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<v Speaker 1>In someone who is people funded. You know, we're fortunate

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<v Speaker 1>enough to speak with Kasum Rashid on the show that

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<v Speaker 1>might have been last week, and he's a people funded politician,

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<v Speaker 1>and he explained to us the benefits of being people funded.

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<v Speaker 1>It makes you more accountable to you, to your voters,

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<v Speaker 1>the people that are voting for you, and you don't

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<v Speaker 1>have to balance the interest of the people on the

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<v Speaker 1>ground with corporate interests. And it's twofold.

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<v Speaker 2>It not only makes you more accountable, but it gives

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<v Speaker 2>you more in the way of autonomy. You're bound to

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<v Speaker 2>corporate interest of those who put you in off.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's how we ended up with Joe Biden. But

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<v Speaker 1>we got the old guy out of there, we got

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<v Speaker 1>somebody in it. Well, he didn't make headlines the way

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<v Speaker 1>that he did once upon a time, and he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have a nuclear football with him. But you know, here

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<v Speaker 1>we are, here, we are again. He's still a very

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<v Speaker 1>popular figure, the old president, but he's not He's not

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<v Speaker 1>the person that's calling the shots as of the date

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<v Speaker 1>of this recording. So in any event, Joe Biden wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>the person that people were extremely excited about. Like you

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<v Speaker 1>remember that Obama had people very excited. Bernie Sanders of course,

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<v Speaker 1>had people very excited, particularly young people. Joe Biden was like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not Donald Trump, and that was good enough for

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<v Speaker 1>most people. That's the extent of it, and that was

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<v Speaker 1>good enough to get him a lot. And it's like, okay, well,

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<v Speaker 1>these are all the things you're saying. You picked a

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<v Speaker 1>black woman for your VP, you appointed a black woman

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<v Speaker 1>to the Supreme Court, you gave us Juneteenth. Okay, I

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<v Speaker 1>see you trying to do a little something here and there,

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<v Speaker 1>and the things that we really asked for. We're still

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<v Speaker 1>waiting on those things. But before I get there, I

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<v Speaker 1>want to shout out one person. He goes by the

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<v Speaker 1>name of DJ Strider Lee out in Virginia, who brought

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<v Speaker 1>this topic to us and asked us to cover it.

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<v Speaker 1>So I want to shout him out and thanks for

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<v Speaker 1>putting us on the radio out there, because we love

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<v Speaker 1>Virginia and all the stations that were on in Virginia.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'll share a bit from The Guardian. So no

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<v Speaker 1>Republican presidential candidate has received more than thirteen percent of

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<v Speaker 1>the votes of Black Americans since the Civil rights era.

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<v Speaker 1>The series concerns for the Biden campaign began with a

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<v Speaker 1>New York Times poll in November, which found the twenty

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<v Speaker 1>two percent of black voters in six battleground states planned

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<v Speaker 1>to back Trump. In twenty twenty four. Other polls brought

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<v Speaker 1>similarly ominous news, twenty percent of black voters nationally backing

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<v Speaker 1>Trump in an NBC News poll, twenty three percent according

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<v Speaker 1>to CNN, and just sixty three percent backing Biden according

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<v Speaker 1>to Jen Forward Slash University of Chicago. Among some black men,

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<v Speaker 1>a sense that Biden has not made good on his

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<v Speaker 1>promises has set alongside a perception that Trump's racist language

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<v Speaker 1>matters less than his promise of greater economic opportunities. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so we have to talk about that, and we will

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<v Speaker 1>let me read this next one. Those are still big

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<v Speaker 1>majorities for Biden, and white voters are far more likely

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<v Speaker 1>to support Trump, but in a race that will be

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<v Speaker 1>decided by the at the margins. In sorry, but in

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<v Speaker 1>a race that will be decided at the margins. It

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<v Speaker 1>is a significant shift. In twenty twenty, ninety two percent

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<v Speaker 1>of black voter supported Biden for president, according to a

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<v Speaker 1>study by p Research Center. Biden has also seen a

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<v Speaker 1>sharp decline among Latino voters, with thirty four percent supporting

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<v Speaker 1>him now compared to sixty five percent in twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>Quote it's a relatively small number of people, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>a crucial part of the Democratic coalition unquote, David Smith said.

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<v Speaker 1>He goes on to say, quote presidential elections are so

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<v Speaker 1>absurdly close, and last time Biden won by seven million

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<v Speaker 1>in the popular vote, but forty thousand votes in three

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<v Speaker 1>states to put them over the top in the electoral college.

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<v Speaker 1>He thanked black voters and his victory speech in twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 1>which was a sign of how important they were to

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<v Speaker 1>his victory. In that speech, Biden said, quote, you always

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<v Speaker 1>had my back, and I'll have yours unquote. But not

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<v Speaker 1>everyone is persuaded that he's made good on that bargain.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's take a moment here and we'll talk about

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<v Speaker 1>some of the things that we expected. There's still one

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<v Speaker 1>more paragraph I want to share with you, so we

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<v Speaker 1>might say this twice, but I want to say this

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<v Speaker 1>now while we're here. Some of the things that were

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<v Speaker 1>that we thought would come with a Biden presidency include

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<v Speaker 1>police reform. You and I really were looking forward to

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of meaningful change with respect to police.

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<v Speaker 2>May I ask why we expected that from the author

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<v Speaker 2>of the crime.

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<v Speaker 1>You're right hoped, because of course that was sort of

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<v Speaker 1>the language that went into his campaigns. You know, I

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<v Speaker 1>hear you, I know that we need to fix this up.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we got an executive order, which, for those

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<v Speaker 1>in the know, I understand that that's really just a

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<v Speaker 1>big nothing burger.

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<v Speaker 2>Well a nothing burger. And this is the trouble of

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<v Speaker 2>being a politician who is on the democratic side of

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<v Speaker 2>politics for most of my life. Really, the thing that

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<v Speaker 2>sticks in the craw of those who frown upon President

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<v Speaker 2>Obama's two terms in office is that we are oftentimes

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<v Speaker 2>not extremist, oftentimes not willing to break the law and

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<v Speaker 2>undermine democracy and checks and balances to push forward our

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<v Speaker 2>own agendas. I think what a lot of voters hoped

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<v Speaker 2>for with Obama was a black version of Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>Come in and do what you want and do it

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<v Speaker 2>for black people, because for so long nobody has. And

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<v Speaker 2>when he got there and was just a middle of

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<v Speaker 2>the road politician, a decent human being and and well meaning,

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<v Speaker 2>people were disappointed. And the reason why the other guy

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<v Speaker 2>is so popular is because he shows up for those

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<v Speaker 2>who consider themselves weak and like him in a way

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<v Speaker 2>that is very macho and very aggressive and very I

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<v Speaker 2>do what I want, and then he does, and then

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<v Speaker 2>nothing happens, So nothing happens bad to him as a

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<v Speaker 2>consequence of him just breaking all the exactly Okay, so

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<v Speaker 2>let's go with that. So on the heels of a

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<v Speaker 2>Trump presidency, the state of play with respect to American

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<v Speaker 2>politics has changed entirely. That we saw how traditional courtesies

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<v Speaker 2>that were observed once upon a time with respect to

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<v Speaker 2>the Supreme Court, the Supreme Court is a great example,

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<v Speaker 2>and others were not observed. By forty five, we're not

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<v Speaker 2>even considered he just did what he wanted.

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<v Speaker 1>To do, right. But since the state of play has changed,

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<v Speaker 1>and we all saw it for four years straight, we

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<v Speaker 1>knew that there's some rules in there that you can

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<v Speaker 1>interpret how you so choose some rules you might even

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<v Speaker 1>be able to bend a little bit, and others you

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<v Speaker 1>can break. Others you can flat out break.

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<v Speaker 3>So there were people who said, here's a way to

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<v Speaker 3>bypass the conservative Supreme Court majority, elect more people to

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<v Speaker 3>the Supreme Court.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no rule preventing that. Now, for Joe Biden to well,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know that he said this or not said this,

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<v Speaker 1>but is in action suggests to me that this was

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<v Speaker 1>not something that he was willing to do. For Joe

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<v Speaker 1>Biden to not take that course of action by stacking

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<v Speaker 1>the Supreme Court and giving it a decidedly progressive liberal

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<v Speaker 1>majority again two and then that would have been a

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<v Speaker 1>fair play, considering the way that Donald Trump was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of not adhering to tradition with respect to his appointments,

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<v Speaker 1>and for Joe Biden to not do that, we're just

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<v Speaker 1>looking around like, okay, well, I mean we have a

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<v Speaker 1>black woman. Cool, thank you. You know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>But what we wanted was this. What we wanted was

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<v Speaker 1>that what we want It was these other things we're

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<v Speaker 1>still dealing with, you know, the philibuster And explain that

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<v Speaker 1>to our listeners what filibustering is So the filibuster is

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<v Speaker 1>a political maneuver that prevents a law from being considered

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<v Speaker 1>on the floor of It might be the House of

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<v Speaker 1>Representatives or the Senate, I'm not sure about which one

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<v Speaker 1>it is. For those who are a little bit more

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<v Speaker 1>politically connected, you certainly know I never took a civics Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I did take a civics class, but that was in

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<v Speaker 1>high school. But I know that it's a political maneuver

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<v Speaker 1>that if there is a majority, you need a certain

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<v Speaker 1>type of majority to overrule a filibuster or something like that,

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<v Speaker 1>like a two thirds majority something like that. Otherwise a

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<v Speaker 1>person can simply just run out the clock on a

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<v Speaker 1>bill from being heard.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you have something more that's pretty accurate? In plain language?

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<v Speaker 2>That's pretty accurate. Philibuster is a tactic used in the

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<v Speaker 2>United States Senate to delay or block a vote on

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<v Speaker 2>a measure by preventing the debate from ending. The sentence

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<v Speaker 2>rules place a few restrictions on debate in general. If

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<v Speaker 2>no other senator you're speaking who seeks recognition is entitled

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<v Speaker 2>to speak for as long as they wish. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>a way of just delaying something so that it's never

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<v Speaker 2>ruled on.

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<v Speaker 1>One way or the other.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just like if Ramsay said, let's just run the

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<v Speaker 2>clock out.

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<v Speaker 1>And so this political maneuver has stood in the way

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<v Speaker 1>of black progress since Doctor King was one of the

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<v Speaker 1>people that was originally suggesting that we need to end

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<v Speaker 1>the filibuster because it prevents that sort of progress. But now,

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<v Speaker 1>and make no mistake, the filibuster is not a tool

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<v Speaker 1>that was written into the language of this country. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a tool that developed sometime in the early part of

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<v Speaker 1>last century as a as like a loophole, and then

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<v Speaker 1>people just started using it. Right, So these are things,

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<v Speaker 1>these are action items that we could have seen addressed

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<v Speaker 1>in this presidency. I want to read a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>more here because we're talking about the erosion of black support.

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<v Speaker 1>So this also comes from the Guardian. This is just

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<v Speaker 1>me reading more. Has fallen short on a range of

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<v Speaker 1>campaign promises, from tepid action on voting rights and police

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<v Speaker 1>reform to failing to decriminalize marijuana possession, an offense for

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<v Speaker 1>which black people are far more likely to be arrested.

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<v Speaker 1>There's also a suggestion that some black voters are weary

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<v Speaker 1>of being taken for granted, for sorry, taken for granted

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<v Speaker 1>by the Democrats and feel they should have more to

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<v Speaker 1>show for decades of consistent support. The drop in Biden's

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<v Speaker 1>support is concentrated among black men and younger voters. Younger

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<v Speaker 1>black voters are much more likely than average to support

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<v Speaker 1>a ceasefire in Gaza or say that the US should

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<v Speaker 1>not be involved in the conflict there at all. Canceling

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<v Speaker 1>all student debt is another thing that he failed a

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<v Speaker 1>deliver new gun legislation. That's another thing that failed to

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<v Speaker 1>deliver meaningful action. In so far as climate change is concerned.

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<v Speaker 1>There's been some, but it's not the aggressive sort of

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<v Speaker 1>type of energy that we would have seen had we

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<v Speaker 1>gotten like a Donald Trump type of person character in

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<v Speaker 1>there that says, look, this is what we need to do.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is what we're doing now. This is not

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<v Speaker 1>all bad. I do want to say a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>good things that Biden has done. It's not really good

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<v Speaker 1>at championing, singing his own praises, but these are things

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<v Speaker 1>that have happened. Lowering the costs of families, everyday expenses

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<v Speaker 1>are There are more people working than at any point

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<v Speaker 1>in American history. The more is being made in America.

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<v Speaker 1>He rescued the economy and changed the course of the pandemic.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, he's rebuilding our infrastructure. And then, of course

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<v Speaker 1>the historic expansion of benefits and services were toxic exposed veterans.

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<v Speaker 1>So these are just a handful.

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<v Speaker 2>There's others, the black unemployment rather than another space where

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<v Speaker 2>he's shined a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>But now do me a favorite que talk about. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you are a person who brought the October seventh attack

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<v Speaker 1>to my attention, and you've studied it very closely. Now

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<v Speaker 1>you would qualify as a younger or younger mentally at least,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure where where the cut off hits. But

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<v Speaker 1>a younger black voter. Right, you don't have to say

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<v Speaker 1>who you will vote for, But is it now more

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<v Speaker 1>difficult for you to cast a vote for Joe Biden? Again,

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<v Speaker 1>you're a younger voter knowing that he is complicit in

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<v Speaker 1>the genocide of all of those Palestinian children that we've seen,

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<v Speaker 1>whose body parts have been mangled and heads have been

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<v Speaker 1>squished by rubble and so forth, has morally could you

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<v Speaker 1>check a box next to that man's name, knowing that

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<v Speaker 1>he funded that stood by it, and indeed encouraged them

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<v Speaker 1>to take whatever action is necessary up to an including

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<v Speaker 1>of course, all those children who will never get to grow.

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<v Speaker 2>Up unless me and my posterity and my family make

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<v Speaker 2>the decision to leave this country. I am left with

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<v Speaker 2>no other choice.

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<v Speaker 1>But does it make it does it make it more

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<v Speaker 1>challenging now to do that?

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<v Speaker 2>If I was trying to stoke the fire of emotion,

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<v Speaker 2>I would say yes, But that's just not true. The

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<v Speaker 2>alternative is a far worse outcome for me and my family, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And that's that's it's important for me to expound. In

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<v Speaker 2>the in the in the political theater, you know, there

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<v Speaker 2>is no good choice here there.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's what I'm trying to say.

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<v Speaker 2>But an actual real life this is almost this is

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<v Speaker 2>almost as important to state the alternative is far worse.

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<v Speaker 1>Still, yep, because of Project twenty twenty five and that

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<v Speaker 1>that conservative beginning. I'm with you there. What I'm finding.

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<v Speaker 2>Dictatorship of a racist bigot. That's a bad look. It's

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<v Speaker 2>worse people. I have to say that plainly.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's what I want to say. As far as

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<v Speaker 1>people who.

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<v Speaker 4>Wake up on election day motivated, excited to vote, I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know that those people on our side, but see

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<v Speaker 4>what I'm saying. But there's some people who without that excitement,

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<v Speaker 4>they just they feel like disconnected. What it six to

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<v Speaker 4>one half, it doesn't know the other.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that that points to the whys of

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<v Speaker 1>the erosion of black support for Joe Biden. Now I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not talking about you and me personally, but I do

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<v Speaker 1>know that, at least for me personally, it does make

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<v Speaker 1>it feel like if I check the box next to

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<v Speaker 1>his name, all of the Palestinian people that I've met

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<v Speaker 1>since then, it's a slap in their face. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>hard for me. But as you mentioned, the alternative is

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<v Speaker 1>far worse and the effects last a lot longer. And

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<v Speaker 1>so what are you going to do?