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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to a mither episode of I Saw

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Speaker 1: What You Did. My name is Millie to Jericho.

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Speaker 2: I'm Daniel Henderson.

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Speaker 1: Now we're back with you once again to talk about

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Speaker 1: the films of the world. Danielle, what's up with you?

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Speaker 2: I don't know about you, but I am so glad

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Speaker 2: that Mercury and all six of those other goddamn planets

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Speaker 2: are out of retrograde. Holy oh bitch, this last month

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Speaker 2: was a real motherfucker.

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Speaker 1: All right, I want to get it, like a baseline

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Speaker 1: question out to you right now. Yeah, okay, because I

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Speaker 1: find that, you know, we are in a true age

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Speaker 1: of astrology. I feel like, yes, I feel like like

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Speaker 1: there are apps, there are Everyone I know is into

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Speaker 1: it at this point, like that people who know their's

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Speaker 1: signs and everything. But then there's just like certain people

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Speaker 1: that don't know, like more advanced level stuff, like maybe

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Speaker 1: what a mercury in retrograde is? So tell do you

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Speaker 1: know anything about it? Or can you explain it to

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Speaker 1: people who maybe don't know what the fuck is going on?

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Speaker 2: I know it fucks up my life every time it happens,

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Speaker 2: and it happens a lot, yeah, a lot. But it's

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Speaker 2: basically like you're looking at the position of it's supposed

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Speaker 2: to only be like two or three times a year,

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Speaker 2: but mercury like travels backwards, and so that's the retrograde part,

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Speaker 2: and it just fucks everything up because it's like, oh,

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Speaker 2: here's this actual, literal like entity traveling in an unnatural way,

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Speaker 2: so therefore your life will be unnatural.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of It kind of reminds me like of

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Speaker 1: that that of Mortville in Desperate Living, where everybody has

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Speaker 1: to wear their close backwards and walk backwards and shit,

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Speaker 1: because you know, the queen is such a bitch. She

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Speaker 1: makes people do everything backwards, and that's kind of how

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Speaker 1: it feels. It's like everything is backwards, like all good

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Speaker 1: things are bad things, Like everything that I'm doing things

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Speaker 1: are fucking up. You're not supposed to do any like

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Speaker 1: major signing of contracts or stuff.

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Speaker 2: It's like weird, right, oh yeah, and it's only it

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Speaker 2: also sometimes only affects certain signs, like depending on when

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Speaker 2: it is in the year. And if you know a

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Speaker 2: ton about astrology, please don't yell at me right now. Please.

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Speaker 2: This is just from my own knowledge, which is admittedly

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Speaker 2: very limited, but I'm interested in it. But I think

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Speaker 2: that it's like there are times where it's just like, oh,

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Speaker 2: mercury is in retrograde just for geminis or like just

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Speaker 2: for capricorns, and you're like, fuck, what did I do

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Speaker 2: to deserve this shit? Oh? And it just fucks us up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's a certain point. It's it's it's

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Speaker 1: a thing in the astrological world. But then it also

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Speaker 1: has become sort of like a catchphrase for just when

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Speaker 1: like is my life in shambles? Is mercury in retrograde?

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Speaker 1: Or is mercury retrograde? However you say it, because that's

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Speaker 1: another thing that people get on my ass about. It's

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Speaker 1: kind of like the Frankenstein's Monster situations.

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Speaker 2: Where you just start attributing it to like everything that's

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Speaker 2: going wrong all the time.

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Speaker 1: Well, but it's also like saying, is mercury in retrograde?

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Speaker 1: Or is mercury retrograde? It's like a thing that people

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Speaker 1: quibble about. But I just said it both ways just

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Speaker 1: to cover the spread so that these astrologers are not

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Speaker 1: in our dms. Am I right?

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Speaker 2: Or because you're going to come in our dms, come

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Speaker 2: in with like reading I'll give you the time and date.

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Speaker 2: I was born.

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Speaker 1: Oh fuck yeah.

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Speaker 2: But also, and this is the other thing, It's like

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Speaker 2: this this last month, six planets were in retrograde Pluto, Saturn, Neptune,

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Speaker 2: fucking Jupiter, and your rainus Mercury.

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Speaker 1: So what was happening to you then? What was going

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Speaker 1: on during this past month where everything was topsy turvy?

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Speaker 2: Okay? I emotionally hit the end of my rope pretty

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Speaker 2: much every day, Like every day at some point I

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Speaker 2: just had an emotional breakdown and just looked at my

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Speaker 2: life and was like, I don't understand how I got here.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I'm doing well at anything. Like I

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Speaker 2: wasn't like it lasted very long, but like at least

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Speaker 2: five minutes of crying every day. Sure, definitely projects getting fucked.

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Speaker 2: My car stopped working. It's a three year old car

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Speaker 2: and it just stopped working. No, and look, you know me,

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Speaker 2: I'm regular with that maintenance. I was with you when

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Speaker 2: in Glendale or whatever. So I went that day was wild.

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Speaker 2: We went on Halloween because a friend of mine told me,

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Speaker 2: If I'm a dealer, the best time to go is

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Speaker 2: have time to test drive it, you'll have time to

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Speaker 2: want to leave to go home with their kids, so

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Speaker 2: they will start making deals left and right. I got

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Speaker 2: like a six year warranty or like a ten year,

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Speaker 2: like a ten year warranty or some bullshit like that,

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Speaker 2: because they were just like, we need to go home,

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, great, I don't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I got my kids out here dressed like fucking

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Speaker 1: buzz light Year and I'm not there. This bitch just

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Speaker 2: And I financed through my bank, so I'm like, I

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Speaker 2: don't even need your money, like I literally got the time.

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Speaker 2: And meanwhile, Millie sitting next to me, just we're both

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Speaker 2: darving ourselves to actual day like withering from starvation. So

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Speaker 2: my only additive to that advice is a bring a

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Speaker 2: fucking granola bar. Because we went to Shakeshack afterwards and

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Speaker 2: ate like we in silence, like monsters, like we were

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Speaker 2: just so hungry. And then we drove home and listened

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Speaker 2: to Don't Disturb This Groove and it was all great.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and I made a video. I made a

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Speaker 1: video and I reposted it on your birthday on my Instagram. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: great day. Guess what.

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Speaker 2: That wasn't that long ago.

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Speaker 1: So it's hard for me to imagine that your car

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Speaker 1: just completely fucking yeah, punked out. That's crazy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was driving home. I went to the car wash,

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Speaker 2: I was driving home, and I was going to go

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Speaker 2: to the grocery store originally had to change that plan

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Speaker 2: real quick. And all the lights came on. It was like,

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Speaker 2: Like every light came on. Yeah, and the break light

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Speaker 2: went from thirty miles per hour to six miles per

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Speaker 2: hour while you were driving, that's whit. While I was driving,

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Speaker 2: it scared the shit out of me. So I pull over,

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Speaker 2: put on my hazard's, turned the car off. Let us

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Speaker 2: Maybe when I was in the car wash. Cleaning the car,

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Speaker 2: getting in those nooks and crannies and I'm like, maybe

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Speaker 2: That wouldn't make my car shut like shut down. It

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Speaker 2: would just be like, hey, dummy, your brake's on.

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Speaker 1: You're telling me that you dust it too hard in

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Speaker 1: the car? Shut down?

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Speaker 2: Nook, I dust it too hard. I like to clean.

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Speaker 2: I always go too hard at the cars my car.

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Speaker 2: My uncle got in my car. I gave him a

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Speaker 2: And my uncle got in my car and he's like,

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Speaker 2: is this a brand new car? And I was like no,

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Speaker 2: it's like almost four years old. And he was like,

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Speaker 2: why is it so clean? And I'm like, I don't

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Speaker 2: have dogs and I don't have kids, and that's it.

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Speaker 2: But it's like I keep my car clean as fuck

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Speaker 2: and clean and mostly empty, like there's nothing in my car.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we talked about this.

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Speaker 1: It's because we've lived in too many areas where people

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Speaker 1: you just you never have anything in it.

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Speaker 2: It's just absolutely gp but okay, so yeah, so it

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Speaker 2: had the roadside assistance told me from my house, and

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Speaker 2: then the toad dude. I called the next morning and

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Speaker 2: I was like, hey, just checking in on my car.

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Speaker 2: I took it to the same dealer of the brand

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Speaker 2: of my car, and they're like, we don't have your car.

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Speaker 2: And I was like, ma'am sorry, She's like, we don't

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Speaker 2: And I looked on the like the vehicle tracking, and

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Speaker 2: I told her, im, like, it's there somewhere. The reason

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Speaker 2: toe guy dropped it off, he left my keys in

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Speaker 2: the car. He didn't them in the dropbox.

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Speaker 1: What is this the seventies?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and my car gets stolen. Who's fucking liable for

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Speaker 2: that shit? Yeah? But I had to spend a whole

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Speaker 2: like we don't have it. That is wild and it's

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Speaker 2: that kind of shit. My grandma explosive diarrhea all month,

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Speaker 2: just explosive, like every time she went to the bathroom.

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Speaker 2: It was an emergency all month. And I'm like, are

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Speaker 2: something stronger than emodium and pepto, because emodium and pepto

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Speaker 2: ain't got nothing on an elderly bowel.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't even know what to say. I couldn't

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Speaker 2: That shit is not even scratching. I'm like, what do

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Speaker 2: I have to do? Have you eat like straight charcoal?

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Speaker 2: Like nothing is even scratching the surface. It's like her

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Speaker 2: intestines are lined with steel. Yeah, and everything just slips out,

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, what the fuck dude.

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Speaker 1: So there, that's pretty two pretty terrible things. So your

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then horrible happened at work, horrible.

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Speaker 1: Things at work, which is like that. I feel like

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Speaker 1: it is almost like sort of like everybody has that

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Speaker 1: like these things. It feels like maybe one of these

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Speaker 1: fuck retrograde. But all these things happening at the same

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Speaker 1: time is pretty bad.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, it's pretty overwhelming. And I read one

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Speaker 2: of my my horoscopes was like, you know, don't take

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? There's no

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Speaker 2: relaxing during a six planet retrograde. Retrograde.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's over the course of a fucking month.

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Speaker 1: This isn't like a couple days. This is like, you

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Speaker 1: got it. You can't just like take a month off

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Speaker 1: and be like, let's hope nothing bad happens to me.

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Speaker 1: I'm just calling in sick to all of it. And

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Speaker 1: I'm just like in the house. I mean, life goes.

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Speaker 2: On absolutely and I know this about you as well,

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Speaker 2: but I have an astrologer.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about this astrologer because

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Speaker 1: I feel like, again we're we're in an astrology moment.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of people now who are astrologers or

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Speaker 1: pandemic yep. So I'm curious as to who's your person,

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Speaker 1: how did you find the person?

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Speaker 2: What's there?

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Speaker 1: What do they do? What are you what are you

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Speaker 1: getting frequency info?

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Speaker 2: All that?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 2: I actually have two stay with me folks, stay with me.

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Speaker 2: One my friend Jennifer, who is probably listening to this

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Speaker 2: right now, and is her top is her lid is

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Speaker 2: blown because she's like, what do you mean you have

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Speaker 2: somebody else? She's a friend, she's been my friend for

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Speaker 2: a long time, and she will always do a chart.

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Speaker 2: She will always do a chart and be like, here's

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Speaker 2: what's up. And I appreciate it and I love it.

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Speaker 2: But because she's my friend and I don't pay her,

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Speaker 2: I feel like I can't avail myself of that all

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Speaker 2: the time. Sure, so when we're just talking and she'll volunteer, like, hey,

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Speaker 2: I'll do your chart, I'm like, great. I will always

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Speaker 2: take her up on that.

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Speaker 1: Sure.

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Speaker 2: Then I have a person I just started with recently.

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Speaker 2: And I have seen astrologers in the past on like

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Speaker 2: found through another friend of mine in the TV business,

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Speaker 2: was just like, this bitch read me for filth in

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Speaker 2: the best possible way. You got to go see this person,

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Speaker 2: and so I did. I'm like, I'll do one session

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Speaker 2: It's not like going to somewhere like when you're in

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Speaker 2: it's not like that at all. Like you send them

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Speaker 2: your information ahead of time about like the time you

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Speaker 2: and then they come up with multiple charts, not just one,

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Speaker 2: I find it useful in that I think that from again,

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Speaker 2: like from my deep in my hippie heart, I feel

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Speaker 1: So I'm glad that you said that too, because I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna get on my soapbox. Yeah, it's it's not a

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Speaker 1: new soapbox. I'll tell you. When I first went on

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Speaker 1: now have this opinion. And I'm just telling you, I

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Speaker 1: paved the way for you. You don't know it, but

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Speaker 1: lot of like I find that there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: like anti astrology, Like we're in a moment, but then

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Speaker 1: there's always been this contingent of people. I'll say it.

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Speaker 1: A lot of them are straight white guys. They hate

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Speaker 1: and they're just like, I don't. This is all fun

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Speaker 2: Okay, at its core, if.

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Speaker 1: You just want to distill all of the stuff, all

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Speaker 1: it is exactly what you said. It's just basically people

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Speaker 1: processing information in a different ways. It's allowing them kind

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Speaker 2: Exactly, and it's a feminine it's.

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Speaker 1: Feminine, and that's I think at the core of the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for me, it's a very it's me getting in

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Speaker 2: is important to me. And it's you know, if somebody

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Speaker 2: not able to do that myself, I'm absolutely going to

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Speaker 2: reach out to that. And this is the other thing

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Speaker 2: a scientific way of approaching how they're looking at astrology.

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Speaker 2: I remember I took an astronomy class when I went

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Speaker 2: And one of the first fucking things the teachers, the

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Speaker 2: And I was like, bye, and I dropped the fucking

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Speaker 2: you don't have to insult right away. You could just

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Speaker 2: teach me about these fucking play For me, it's really

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Speaker 2: interesting because you asked about the frequency, and it's something

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Speaker 2: that recently I've started seeing. I've started talking to this

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Speaker 2: like for me, it's very much like let's check in

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Speaker 2: of that time. And she'll, you know, she sends me

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Speaker 2: the chart, she sends me every she's amazing, she sends

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Speaker 2: me everything. So it's not like I'm in the dark,

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Speaker 2: like it's not. It's shared information. I think that is

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Speaker 2: you know, to me, it feels very natural, very natural extension.

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Speaker 1: I mean to me, it's just like, Okay, I have had,

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Speaker 1: I dip in right. I mean, listen, I've had my

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Speaker 1: I'm bad at science. I was in bad kid science

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Speaker 1: But somebody's like, oh, you're in eight degrees mid Heaven

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Speaker 1: that mean? Like I get completely. I just like don't

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Speaker 1: But the retrograde thing feels well, I'm not gonna lie.

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Speaker 1: But it's also like interesting because I'm like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 2: That can't be good. That cannot right good sci fi movie.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, there are many, many famous people who have

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Speaker 1: this when we talked about Black Christmas? About Olivia Hussey

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Speaker 2: Come on, yep. And the astrologer also told her that

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Speaker 1: But I'm just saying you're not alone. People have astrologers. Listen,

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Speaker 1: if you want to get down to brass tacks, I

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Speaker 1: One of my good friends, Kurt, who got to say

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Speaker 1: I'm like, that's awesome because I have no fucking idea

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Speaker 2: This is where people get this is where this is

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Speaker 1: And like, also, what is the fucking bad thing about

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Speaker 1: because in that in that way, I'm kind of like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe that motivates me to write a

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Speaker 2: I don't know that.

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Speaker 1: It's not a negative there to me, you know, right.

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Speaker 2: And then but here's the other thing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I believe in it, but come on, writ

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Speaker 1: like you can't be everything. But there was this moment

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Speaker 1: writing your book because many people, I don't know, many

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Speaker 1: people might not know this. But I did not have

433
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Speaker 1: a lot of time to write the book that I wrote.

434
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Speaker 1: I had like six months to write an entire book.

435
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,320
Speaker 1: Granted I co wrote it with somebody, but but.

436
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Speaker 2: That's still not a lot of time.

437
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 1: Word count wise, there was a lot of words, and

438
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 1: we both were responsible for it, and it was it

439
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 1: was crazy. I was white knuckling it, okay, and I

440
00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,359
Speaker 1: knew I was going to have a hard time with

441
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:03,400
Speaker 1: the timeline. And I was like calling you every fucking night,

442
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 1: being like I regret signing the contract, like, I'm so

443
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 1: freaked out. So my friend Card, Who've known for like

444
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,920
Speaker 1: over twenty years, he sent me something in the mail

445
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 1: and he said, it's a talisman, okay, and it's basically

446
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:22,200
Speaker 1: going to help you write your book. And I don't

447
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 1: know a lot about talisman. All I know is the

448
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 1: one that came in the mail was in a package.

449
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 1: It was inside like a package and like a you know,

450
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 1: padded envelope, and then it was a little envelope like

451
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 1: maybe postcard size, and it had the inside the envelope

452
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 1: was this card. It almost looked like an index card,

453
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,440
Speaker 1: and it had a lot of writing and a lot

454
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:54,119
Speaker 1: of different words front and back okay, of some drawings

455
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 1: and stuff.

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Speaker 2: He tried to explain to me.

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Speaker 1: What it meant. I was like, I don't know. All

458
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 1: I know is that it was just like a card

459
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 1: that had a lot of different phrases and you know,

460
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 1: symbols and stuff. And then inside of it was like

461
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 1: some herbs and like a feather and like some other stuff.

462
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 1: And then he just explained to me, like this is

463
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 1: its bed. This is where the talisman is gonna like sleep.

464
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 1: The envelope filled with all of the stuff like the herbs,

465
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Speaker 1: and this is its bed because I'm gonna tell you

466
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 1: right now, you're gonna take out this talent smand and

467
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,360
Speaker 1: you're gonna put it like on your desk and you're

468
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 1: gonna write, and it's going to make you write like

469
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Speaker 1: you've never written before.

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Speaker 2: He's like, I filled this envelope with catnip and.

471
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 1: And I was like, are you kidding me? And he's like, no,

472
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 1: it's gonna it's it's it's supposed to give you the

473
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 1: energy and the strength to complete this book. But you

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Speaker 1: can't just like leave it out because if you do,

475
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Speaker 1: you're gonna go crazy, Like you're gonna start cleaning your

476
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 1: and doing all this crazy stuff. So like it's powerful,

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00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 1: it's what I'm saying. So like, once you're done writing

478
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 1: for the day, put it back in its bed and

479
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: then like put it in a drawer. And I was like, Okay,

480
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,160
Speaker 1: this is I've never this is never happening to me before.

481
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna use this information, Danielle. I'm gonna tell

482
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 1: you this right now, and you're gonna be like what

483
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 1: is wrong with you? And listeners, you probably will it.

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Speaker 1: This talisman worked like a fucking gem. I mean this shit.

485
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 1: I had it sitting on the desk and like when

486
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 1: I'd just be like writing and I'd be like, yo,

487
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,479
Speaker 1: I'm writing my ass off, and then I would forget

488
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 1: to put it back in the bed sometimes, and then

489
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: I would stay up all night and like think about

490
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 1: the book and think about, oh shit, I need to

491
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 1: write this thing, and I would leave my bed in

492
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Speaker 1: the middle of the night to like go back to

493
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 1: my computer and like write a couple more lines or

494
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 1: like oh shit, I forgot to do this, and I

495
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:59,120
Speaker 1: would like stay up all night. This talisman was literally

496
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 1: like putting my brain and overdrive to like I know,

497
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 1: and I was going insane. I was like literally like

498
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: writing my doing the most work I've ever done in

499
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 1: my life. And it was because I didn't put it

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00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:14,640
Speaker 1: back in its bed. And then when I finally realized it,

501
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 1: I was like, guess what taking a break today?

502
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 2: It was?

503
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 1: It was, but it was really like powerful and I'm like, listen,

504
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 1: I don't know how this shit works, but like the.

505
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,439
Speaker 2: Wait, did you put it back in its bed? And

506
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 2: then what happened?

507
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: And then I just went like I had a couple

508
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:35,959
Speaker 1: of great days of relaxation, didn't write like just chilled.

509
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 1: But I'm telling you, every time the talisman was out

510
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:42,159
Speaker 1: of its bed, I was like a freak. I was

511
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: like writing, researching, doing work, staying up all night. It's

512
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:49,679
Speaker 1: like I had like a shot of like author cocaine,

513
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 1: like right in my veins. And it was because I

514
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: think it was because of the talisman. Now, I'm telling

515
00:26:56,080 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 1: you this because it's crazy to assume that's what happened.

516
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 2: Look, I'm not judging you at all, because it got

517
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 2: the goddamn job done. Sure, and that's what matters. Even

518
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 2: if it is like a power of suggestion thing or whatever. Fine,

519
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 2: it got the job done. And it was a daunting

520
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 2: task that was like really freaking you out. Yeah, so

521
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 2: you need a little talisman that you have to put

522
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 2: in a feather bed with some herbs. Do it a

523
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 2: lot of You know what a lot of people do

524
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 2: to get books done. They drink a fifth of whiskey.

525
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 2: Like people get through this shit however they get And

526
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 2: it seems like a very healthy way to approach a

527
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 2: problem or approach a task. Well, I'm like, you're absolutely right.

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00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 1: There's probably a logical reason, Like maybe I just hit

529
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: like a good pocket of energy. Maybe I had like

530
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: a you know, a power smoothie or something, or you know,

531
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: maybe mercury was not retrograde and I was like really

532
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 1: hitting it right.

533
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 2: And maybe you had like a handful of chicken in

534
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 2: your car that day.

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00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course it's like a huge brick of chicken

536
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 1: with no bun and just shoving in my mouth. But

537
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: I feel like it's the talisman. And I don't care

538
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,679
Speaker 1: if that sounds nutty or what, but I'm telling you, like,

539
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: that's what my astrologer did for me, is he gave

540
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: me this talisman. I got to finish the fucking book

541
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 1: and that was it.

542
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:19,919
Speaker 2: So I don't know.

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00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: To me, I'm like, it ain't that bad to have

544
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: an astrologer. It's like a consultant.

545
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 2: Hell no, it's not that bad. And it's also it

546
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 2: goes back to for me, it also relates back to

547
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 2: and hearing you talk about this, it's ritual. It's coming

548
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 2: up with rituals and people do that in large and

549
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 2: small ways every day, Like do you do it to

550
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 2: do list every day? That's a ritual that you have

551
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 2: to get through your day. You know, like people come

552
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 2: up with ways to organize their lives and to gain

553
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 2: you know, to get power from whatever they need to

554
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 2: get power from so they can get through.

555
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean some people drink bulletproof coffee, which I

556
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: think is discussing.

557
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 2: Oh God, is that the butter coffee? Yes, So it's like,

558
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:05,959
Speaker 2: I am judging you.

559
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: I think that's gross, But you know what, whatever gets

560
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 1: you through the ritual, whatever gets you through the day. Wait,

561
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: if that's your thing, I.

562
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 2: Love this sentence. I'm not judging you, but that's gross,

563
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.

564
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: I think it's gross personally.

565
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 2: But you know, I'm not going to sit there and

566
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 2: be like, you're wrong.

567
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: You're wrong for thinking this, You're wrong for drinking butter

568
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: in coffee. Carry gold. Carry gold, by the way, I've

569
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: seen videos of it on Instagram.

570
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, good, carry gold.

571
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: But people swear by it.

572
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 2: Look, people swear this is what I mean. Though people

573
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 2: swear by a lot of shit, and astrology is pretty innocuous.

574
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 2: It's a pretty innocuous thing to swear by. Well.

575
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I think most of it is

576
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: that feeling for people like people who shit on it.

577
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: I think it is that thing of like this just

578
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: doesn't it doesn't make any rational And it also feels

579
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: like convenient excuses for things, you know, and I understand that.

580
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: I guess I understand why people would think that. I

581
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: don't think that, and I guess that. You know, when

582
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: it comes down to it, did mercury retrograde or slash

583
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: mercury retrograde cause your car to shit the bed?

584
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 2: I say, yes, absolutely, did it cause this compounding series

585
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 2: of events that happened to me all more terrible than

586
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 2: the last I think?

587
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: So, yeah, planet's moving backwards. It it can't all be good.

588
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 2: Thank you, and it's awesome. I don't know if you

589
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 2: have this experience too, and then we can totally wrap

590
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 2: this up because I know we will talk about this again.

591
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 2: But I think a lot of because I try to

592
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 2: figure out the detractors. Sometimes I don't spend a lot

593
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 2: of time on it, but I just try to figure

594
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 2: out whenever I have someone say like, ah, that's bullshit

595
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 2: or whatever. I think there's also a large amount of

596
00:30:55,120 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 2: people who's only like, who's only connection to astrology is

597
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 2: like some Randy of the Redwoods, like nineteen sixties hippie

598
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 2: who comes on way too strong, yes, and like it

599
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 2: just turns people off forever. Yeah, So I think that's

600
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 2: part of it. Is like if you have ever encountered

601
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 2: maybe someone who's like I've been in this life for

602
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 2: seventy years and they're like bye, like it's too strong,

603
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 2: they can't handle it. I actually like that.

604
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: I wish astrology would go back to that shit, because

605
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: right now astrology is like Instagram stuff, which I'm like, okay, yep,

606
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: Like I appreciate the memes once in a while, but

607
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: then there's a lot of bad astrology memes and a

608
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: lot of like you know, set your watch by this

609
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: kind of like come on, it's a little bit more

610
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: texture than that, especially when you get into the houses

611
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: and the risings and the moons. It's like, come on,

612
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: I have an aries, yes, but I have a lot

613
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: of air in March chart, which is why I'm such

614
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: a flake. Like come on, all right, So we got

615
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: an episode today and you told me on Tuesday that

616
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: you were super excited to do it, So I can't

617
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 1: wait to dive into these films. But why don't you

618
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: tell the listeners what the theme is for this week?

619
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 2: There's only one theme coming up that makes me happier

620
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 2: than this theme. This theme just makes me excited. Our

621
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 2: theme this week is Sydney Poitier is here to remind you,

622
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 2: yet again, that you're racist. That's right, you're racist.

623
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: Listen. We I think it goes without saying. I mean,

624
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: the great Cidney Poitite is like a legend so many

625
00:32:55,440 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: I mean, his career was long. I mean he was

626
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: an actor, he was a director, He was an ambassador,

627
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: wasn't he Was he an ambassador?

628
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, he was an ambassador to the Bahamas because

629
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 2: he's Bahamanian. Yeah. And he was also an ambassador to Japan. Wow.

630
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 2: I think he was a UNESCO ambassador. You couldn't stop

631
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 2: being an ambassador. He's fucking best.

632
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: Listen. The dude has so much credits, unbelievable, and maybe

633
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: that's kind of a good place to start, really is that.

634
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: I'm kind of curious about your opinions on because we

635
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: kind of talked about this a little bit when we

636
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: did the Denzel Washington episode for Black History Month, Right,

637
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: so here you have. I mean, he laid the groundwork

638
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: for Denzel. I mean, he's he arguably was the most

639
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: famous black actor working in classic Hollywood, right, absolutely, and

640
00:33:55,680 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: pretty much the only famous black actor that was in

641
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: very popular studio films from the fifties and sixties, right,

642
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 1: he was like, I mean, you maybe you've got Harry Belafonte,

643
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:18,240
Speaker 1: but he was like bar Non the guy in this era.

644
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: And so I'm just curious what kind of in the

645
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: same way we talked about Denzel where you know, Denzel's

646
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: career it was you know, because he was a black actor,

647
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 1: because he was doing you know, legit acting, like serious

648
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 1: dramatic acting. I mean there's a lot of you know,

649
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 1: sort of their own their own place within the Hollywood

650
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: business and the types of movies that they do and

651
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 1: the types of roles that they get and that kind

652
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: of stuff, right, which we talked about with Denzel Washington.

653
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: But I feel like with Cidney Poiier because he was

654
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 1: like such he was the guy that was you know,

655
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: this was during this big civil rights era and he

656
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: was basically like you know what a lot of white

657
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: America saw in movies at that time, Like he was

658
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: kind of the figurehead. And how do you think that

659
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: that sort of uh, you know, affected his opportunities and

660
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 1: his you know, the way the movies that he was

661
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 1: ultimately able to do, and you know that kind of thing.

662
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: I'm just curious about what your opinion of him is

663
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:36,919
Speaker 1: in that way.

664
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, he he has always been incredibly revered in

665
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 2: my household, and I think that the importance of him

666
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 2: as an actor was never lost on me. I think that,

667
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 2: you know, for my grandparents especially, it was like a

668
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 2: revelatory for them to be able to see someone like

669
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 2: him in these movies, and they supported him his entire career.

670
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 2: And I think it wasn't just that he was black,

671
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 2: It's that he had He is a fucking astounding actor,

672
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 2: and the gravitas and the theater training and just like

673
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 2: everything that he brings to his roles makes him so evocative.

674
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 2: And I think that he you know, he was an actor,

675
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 2: but he was also a director. Like we talked about,

676
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 2: he was an ambassador. I think that he took his

677
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 2: role as an actor very seriously in terms of how

678
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 2: it would help him become that person and the rest

679
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 2: of his life, which also paved the way for a

680
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 2: lot of people in Hollywood to do the same right,

681
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 2: and so the things that he did that just seemed

682
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 2: to come organically to him, I think created a different

683
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 2: type of Hollywood. Yeah, And I think he paved the

684
00:36:55,520 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 2: way for a different kind of actor to emerge and

685
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 2: he truly embodied like he's always talked about with such grace,

686
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 2: and I think it's because he truly embodied that in

687
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,479
Speaker 2: every part of his life. Yeah, you know, without without

688
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 2: knowing him personally. Last time I checked Twitter, he was

689
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 2: finding out. But I do think that like he really,

690
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 2: I mean, he was this incredible presence of a man,

691
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 2: and it seemed like his acting life was just an

692
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 2: extension of who he was in his real life and

693
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 2: not the other way around. It wasn't like, you know,

694
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 2: he was a great actor, which made him a great person.

695
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 2: I think he was a great person and that made

696
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 2: him a phenomenal actor.

697
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you know the trajectory of his movies, especially

698
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: in the fifties and sixties. I mean, he was in

699
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: a lot of films that dealt with race, obviously, and

700
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 1: there's a part of me that thinks that that would

701
00:37:53,840 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: have been impossible to divorce, right, Like, the the nature

702
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: of who he was as an actor, his talent working

703
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: in Hollywood in is very specific time where there was

704
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: a lot of social change happening and he was being

705
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: introduced to a lot of white people who were watching

706
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: films and he wasn't playing these like stereotypes that we

707
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: had seen in the early days of Hollywood especially, and

708
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: because of that, I think that, you know, he just

709
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: had such importance I think for film and maybe a

710
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 1: little bit in my movie. I want to kind of

711
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: unpack that a little bit because I feel like I

712
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: really want your take on it, especially, but I just

713
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: feel like it's just like you can't overstate how important

714
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: he was to Hollywood. And he definitely paid the way

715
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: for people like Denzel Washington obviously, but just like anybody

716
00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: who's doing creative work who so a person of color basically,

717
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 1: I mean.

718
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:07,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, and someone who again like he in his ability,

719
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 2: he was born into colonialism, Like you know, he was

720
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 2: born in the Bahamasm and it was a crown colony,

721
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 2: and so he was born into colonialism, and I think

722
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 2: a lot of seemingly a lot of his reactions to

723
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 2: the world were rooted in, you know, the world that

724
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 2: he was born into. He was actually I find this

725
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 2: very funny. He was accidentally born in Miami because he

726
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 2: was born three months premature, So he was born in

727
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 2: US citizen because like here he comes, he's coming. But

728
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 2: I think that he was able to, like he was

729
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 2: able to from birth like straddle all of these straddle

730
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 2: these two different worlds, to straddle these different spaces, and

731
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 2: I think that he's he's one of the only actors

732
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:53,240
Speaker 2: that I can think of who garnered and deserved instantaneous

733
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 2: and long lasting respect. Yeah, and I really, really, I

734
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 2: really love his the way that I think it's it's

735
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 2: admirable the way that he kind of melded his personal

736
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 2: life in his professional life and did use that for

737
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 2: justice and for good causes. And it's not easy to

738
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 2: take the world of talking about race on your back

739
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 2: and you know, kind of using that to flow an

740
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 2: entire industry, and so the fact that he was able

741
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 2: to do that gracefully is a miracle.

742
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I think I've pretty much seen all

743
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: of his sixties films, and I mean there must have

744
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: been a lot of pressure on him, I imagine, because,

745
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: like we keep saying, I mean, he was just basically

746
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: the most famous black man in film in this time,

747
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: and so yeah, I'm I'm just his career is so

748
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 1: I mean, we can't overstate it, obviously, but you know,

749
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: I'm excited to talk about these two movies in particular

750
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: because I feel like, you know, once kind of like

751
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: early sixties and this my film, is later sixties, but

752
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: also has its own kind of like interesting point being

753
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: that he was in three movies in the same year

754
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 1: and this was one of them. But I feel like

755
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 1: they're kind of two way. The roles that he played

756
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 1: are really different, absolutely, and it in a way kind

757
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: of shows like a little just even a slice of

758
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: his range even between like those years, like just like

759
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 1: what six or seven years, five years, something like that,

760
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: six or seven years, I think, But you know, it

761
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: just really goes to show how talented he is. And

762
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: I can't wait to talk about these films.

763
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, me either. And it reminds me too

764
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 2: that I cannot believe we have not yet discussed the

765
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 2: film Sneakers on this podcast, Like how is that even possible?

766
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: I think we've referenced it like four or five times

767
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: and we've we got it.

768
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 2: We got to think of a theme. We gotta do it.

769
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's we're figuring out if there's anything we

770
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: know what a shoeharn movie into a fight.

771
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 2: I'm all right, good, I love it. And the only

772
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:08,720
Speaker 2: other thing I will say about Sir Sidney Pottier, because

773
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 2: he was knighted by Queen Elizabeth in the seventies. He

774
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 2: has received more prestigious awards than I think anyone has

775
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 2: ever raased, like the Golden Globe, Cecil B. DeMille Award,

776
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 2: a Kennedy Center Honor, a fucking American Film Institute Retrospective,

777
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 2: and Screen Actors Guild Lifetime Achievement Award, and like he's

778
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 2: just like the he received the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

779
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:41,720
Speaker 2: Like name an actor who has received more awards for

780
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 2: the longevity and the breadth of his of his work

781
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 2: and his life. I just I find him amazing still.

782
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 2: I think he was a true gift to this world.

783
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,760
Speaker 2: And I would encourage people to watch all of his films,

784
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 2: especially in the sixties and seventies, the you know, Guess Who,

785
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 2: Guess Who's coming to dinner in the in the Heat

786
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 2: of the Night, and the Defiant Ones and just a

787
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 2: bunch of them. But I think that he just every

788
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 2: movie that he was in was special.

789
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely. I mean he was the first black actor

790
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: to be nominated for Best Actor Oscar. He was the

791
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: first to win one. I think I think he won

792
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 1: it in sixty four or something. But yeah, I mean,

793
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: he just laid the groundwork for so much, and yeah,

794
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 1: I can't wait to talk about these movies. I think

795
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: I'm going first.

796
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 2: You sure are all right?

797
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 1: Well, so my movie for the theme, Cinny Poite is

798
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: Here to Remind you that You're racist Again is a

799
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: movie from nineteen sixty seven. It was written by James Clavel,

800
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,879
Speaker 1: based on the novel by E. R. Braithwaite. It was

801
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: also directed by James Clavell and it's called Tusor with.

802
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 2: Love Those kids devils Incarne.

803
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: I tried everything, everything but a thing. I try, kids kids,

804
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: that's it to sir, with love. The Lulu song, which

805
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: appears in this movie multiple times, as does the as

806
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: does Lulu, She plays one of the kids in the

807
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: in the film is my all time number one drunk

808
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 1: karaoke chew.

809
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you wanted the sky would run cross the sky,

810
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 3: that would sun feed.

811
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:47,240
Speaker 1: I love this like, which is like who has taken

812
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: you from crayons to perfume.

813
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 2: So much?

814
00:44:55,080 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 1: I can't fucking I get dramatic when when I'm my

815
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 1: sober karaoke song is magic by Olivia Newton John. But

816
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: when I'm wasted, it's to serve with love. So putting

817
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: that out there, so like I said, in the intro.

818
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: You know, nineteen sixty seven was a big year for Sydney, okay,

819
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: because he was in three major films, Guess Who's Coming

820
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: to Dinner, in the Heat of the Night and this

821
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: film obviously To Sir with Love. Now, this movie, I

822
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 1: feel like is definitely a big one in the canon

823
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 1: of films about teachers, right, And we have seen many

824
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 1: films about teachers at this point, but this movie in particular.

825
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: I've seen this movie a lot, and I like to

826
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: call it a Sunday afternoon film, right because it's very sixties,

827
00:45:55,719 --> 00:46:00,800
Speaker 1: very British. It feels sort of cozy in that way.

828
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 1: And I mean even in the parts where it's tense

829
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: and dramatic, there's still kind of like a nice like

830
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: a gentleness or something.

831
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 2: Absolutely perfect description of this film, like it is a

832
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 2: genuinely great Sunday afternoon film. Yeah.

833
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: So a one sentence synopsis of To Stir with Love,

834
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 1: a first time teacher gets more than he bargained for

835
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: after taking a job in a rough London neighborhood. So,

836
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 1: just to get into it, Sidney plays a character named

837
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 1: Mark Thackeray, and he is an immigrant from British Guiana,

838
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: and he comes to London looking for an engineering job,

839
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 1: but he's having a hard time finding one, so he

840
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 1: decides that he's going to teach secondary school or I

841
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 1: guess high school for American audiences while he continues applying

842
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: for jobs. Right now, I've never been to London. I know,

843
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: it's shameful, secret, shame of mine. So I don't really

844
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 1: know much about like the different parts of London. But

845
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: mister Thackeray gets a job in the East End, which

846
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:16,479
Speaker 1: in the film is a very rough part of town.

847
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 2: Absolutely. I mean, you've heard of the east Enders TV show, correct, I.

848
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 1: Have, but I've never seen it.

849
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 2: So it's the best, It's the best of the worst.

850
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. So has it always traditionally been kind of a

851
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: rough part of town or was it this so just

852
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: in this era or.

853
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, from my understanding, it's always been a little bit

854
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 2: of a rough part of town, kind of like the

855
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 2: South like this, like Southea in Boston.

856
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 1: Okay, got it, got it, got it, got it? Yeah,

857
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 1: Because in this film, you know this school, most of

858
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 1: the kids that attend this school are very poor, and

859
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: they have troubles at home and they're very much known

860
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: for misbehaving and based torturing any teacher that they've ever had.

861
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 2: Right, Look, I'm just gonna say, these kids are fucking thugs.

862
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 2: They're too rowdy.

863
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:08,760
Speaker 1: They are rowdy as shits.

864
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 2: These kids are rowdy, rowdy papers.

865
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: They they are, they are you know, covering in between

866
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 1: Gillies and the double deuce or something.

867
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,879
Speaker 2: They aly shit, if there was there was a there's

868
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 2: always a point in this movie. Even though I've seen

869
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 2: it a few times. I know what happens. I'm like,

870
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 2: if he just walked out and the movie ended, I

871
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 2: would understand.

872
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 1: Completely completely right, And that is so this is the

873
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: case in a lot of films about teachers, a lot

874
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 1: of classic teacher films. Is this the storyline of the

875
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 1: kids just being really bad and listen.

876
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 2: On his like they are bad.

877
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 1: On his first day, he's meeting the other teachers in

878
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 1: the school and they're all at various levels of exasperation

879
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 1: while working at the school, right because you got this

880
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 1: one guy named mister Weston who basically is like, these

881
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: kids suck and just wash your back like you can't

882
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 1: help them. They're they're destined to be the worst, right,

883
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:08,320
Speaker 1: And then you had this other teacher, a new teacher

884
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: just like factory named Jillian, and she's played by the

885
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: beautiful Giallo Queen Susie Kendall, and she's way positive. Obviously

886
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 1: she's new too, so she's basically like, Hey, I'm encouraging

887
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 1: you to hang in there, and I feel like at

888
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 1: some point there's this like little bit of romantic tension

889
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: between two of them, which is very cute, I must say.

890
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:35,720
Speaker 1: And then there's this other teacher that sort of hovers

891
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:39,320
Speaker 1: the middle in her Her name is this is a

892
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,760
Speaker 1: great name, Clinty clint Ridge.

893
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 2: Amazing name, like call me Hendy Henderson or.

894
00:49:52,040 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: Exactly Heno, exactly Clinty Clintridge, and not for nothing speaking

895
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 1: of classic British TV. She is played by Patricia Routledge,

896
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: who I know is Hyacinth Bouquet from Keeping Up Appearances.

897
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 2: I don't know if any absolutely absolutely, if.

898
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,280
Speaker 1: You've watched PBS on a Friday night, you have definitely

899
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: seen Keeping Up Appearances. Okay, but so Thakery. He immediately

900
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,399
Speaker 1: meets his kids and they just start messing with him,

901
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: like from Jump. Okay, there's this kind of leader of

902
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: the group. His name is Denham and he's played by

903
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 1: a Christian Roberts, and he just the usual suspect. He

904
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: wears like a cool leather jacket, a real tough guy,

905
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: you know. And there seems to be this like kind

906
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 1: of girl leader as well, and her name is Pamela Dare.

907
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: She's played by Judy Geeson. And at the beginning, Factory

908
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 1: is just kind of like going by the books, like

909
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: giving them their lessons, and he's mostly keeping his patients

910
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: while they're just pulling pranks on him and just like disrespect,

911
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,399
Speaker 1: take the shit out of my good until this one

912
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:07,959
Speaker 1: day he's walking into the school and they fucking throw

913
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: something at him from the window from a couple floors up,

914
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 1: and then he comes into the classroom and realizes that

915
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: they've set fire to a Maxi pad.

916
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:25,839
Speaker 2: In the garbage can. It was the living fucking end.

917
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 2: He comes in so hot. After that, he's like, first

918
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 2: of all, you're sluts, second of all, you're filthy, and

919
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:33,839
Speaker 2: third of all, I will treat you like adults if

920
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,399
Speaker 2: you wash that ass and stop lighting Maxie pads on.

921
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 1: Fire, exactly like he'd had it, not gonna lie there.

922
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 1: There are some moments where the nineteen sixty seven jumps

923
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: out in this movie and the way that he kind

924
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: of yells at the girls in the class. I mean

925
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 1: that he would be kind of outdated by today's standards,

926
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 1: but he is pissed, and quite frankly, he has pretty

927
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: good reason. They've been genuinely horrible to him. Yeah, and

928
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 1: setting fired or maxipad was the last straw. And so

929
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: because of this, he basically throws out all the book

930
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 1: learning that he's been attempting, and he's his mission now

931
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,399
Speaker 1: is to teach these kids how to be.

932
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 2: Adults, normal people, normal people.

933
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 1: He's like, we don't I don't care if you learn

934
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:28,839
Speaker 1: trig it doesn't matter. We're just gonna teach you how to.

935
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 2: Be people in the world.

936
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: And that includes, you know, making them call him but

937
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 1: then also each other by sir and miss and teaching

938
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: them manners and respect and that kind of thing. And

939
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 1: eventually he starts slowly winning them over because you know,

940
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 1: he he's trying this technique that they've not experienced, right,

941
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 1: and it's very much rooted in that idea that they

942
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 1: need life skills because arguably there's not a lot of

943
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 1: parents around in their neighborhood and they're about to be

944
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: spit out into the system, and they need to know

945
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: how to take care of themselves, right, Absolutely, He's like,

946
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 1: this is his worst fear is that, like he's going

947
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 1: to run into one of these kids at like a

948
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: hotel or something, yeah, like on his way home or

949
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: like he's just like, I can't be in this community

950
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 1: with you, Like I can't live here.

951
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 2: If this is how you're going to add, it's very

952
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 2: much in the interest of self preservation as well that

953
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 2: he's like, this is not it's for your benefit, but

954
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 2: also for everyone's benefit, right.

955
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 1: And you know this is you know he's doing this

956
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 1: while at the same time, you know he's basically he

957
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 1: finally finally gets an offer for a job, and so

958
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 1: there's this moment where he's just like, Okay, I got

959
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 1: to see out this class, but once it's over, I'm

960
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 1: out of here, right. And so through the course of

961
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 1: the movie, he begins connecting with the students more and more.

962
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: And how he does this is actually kind of interesting

963
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 1: because Thackery reveals to them that he has experienced poverty

964
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 1: in his own life and he's worked a bunch of

965
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 1: low paying jobs. And I think it's that moment where

966
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: the kids really connect with him and they start even

967
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:25,879
Speaker 1: saying to him, like, how are you ever poor you

968
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 1: talk and act so proper like that we can't even

969
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 1: imagine it. And it's really interesting to me because this

970
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:37,959
Speaker 1: conversation that they're having really seems to be more about

971
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 1: class and there's not even a kind of racial component

972
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: to it in a weird way, which I think is

973
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 1: really interesting.

974
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, Like the racial stuff comes in when they're

975
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 2: just talking to him in their kind of street language

976
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 2: and it's kind of like, oh, it's just a joke,

977
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 2: and he's like, it's not a joke, Like it's not

978
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,240
Speaker 2: a joke at all. But I think that you're absolutely

979
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 2: right and that it's not like they just kind of

980
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 2: can't understand the class dynamics that would have someone be

981
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 2: able to understand them, because they've never met anyone from

982
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 2: their own station in life who has become anything else

983
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 2: other than what they are, and he's not even what's

984
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,760
Speaker 2: great about those scenes too, In that scene in particular,

985
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 2: is that he's not even saying to them you have

986
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 2: to be a different person. He's basically saying to them like,

987
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 2: you have to kind of go out in the world

988
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:29,360
Speaker 2: and command the respect that you think you deserve by action,

989
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 2: and so whatever you're doing, whether you're going to be

990
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 2: a clerk at a hotel, whether you're going to be like,

991
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:36,839
Speaker 2: you know, the fucking Prime Minister. He's like, you have

992
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 2: to go out in the world and how you were

993
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 2: born is not how you need to be treated forever.

994
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 2: And I think no one has ever said that to

995
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 2: them before.

996
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, And it's to me, it's interesting because

997
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 1: I feel like, out of the three movies that he

998
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: obviously did in this year in nineteen sixty seven, I

999
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 1: feel like this one is the one where race is

1000
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:05,359
Speaker 1: maybe rest the least, which is really fascinating obviously, And

1001
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 1: in one of these moments where they do talk about race,

1002
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 1: it's this moment where this biracial student named Seals basically

1003
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 1: is kind of hanging out smoking a cigarette in the

1004
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 1: corner outside of the school and he, you know, Thackeray

1005
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 1: sees him and starts talking to him, and he reveals

1006
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 1: that he's been taking care of his mom who is sick.

1007
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:32,280
Speaker 1: And there's this moment where Seal sort of acts out

1008
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 1: at Thackery because he sort of reminds him of his father,

1009
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 1: who has obviously left the family and left this kid

1010
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 1: to take care of his sick mom. Right, and you

1011
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 1: fast forward a couple scenes, and Seals's mother eventually passes away,

1012
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:53,959
Speaker 1: and the kids want to get money together to get

1013
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 1: a wreath for the funeral, but then they reveal to

1014
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 1: Thackeray that they're actually afraid to deliver it because people

1015
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 1: would see them entering a quote unquote colored person's house

1016
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: right right. And it's this really like heavy scene, but

1017
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: I feel like it's played in this way where it

1018
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 1: really just feels like it's all in the all in

1019
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 1: Sydney Poierer's face, Like the way his reaction in that

1020
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 1: moment is disappointment obviously, but then also this reminder of

1021
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 1: that kind of thing where it's like, well, yeah, I'm

1022
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 1: their teacher, but I'm also black, and even though I

1023
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 1: do have a power over them, this world is still

1024
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: very prejudiced, and they're reminding me of that, do you

1025
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:45,919
Speaker 1: know what I mean?

1026
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 2: Absolutely? And he's it's such a subtle shift for him

1027
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 2: in the facial the kind of acting he's doing with

1028
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 2: his face while you were just explaining, you know, face

1029
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 2: acting how you do. But it's so SU's a subtle

1030
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 2: shift for him because I think that he's like, he's

1031
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 2: not intentionally trying to make them feel like shit. He

1032
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 2: kind of does that very parental thing where he's like, well,

1033
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 2: how do you feel about that? And like kind of

1034
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 2: a like just turning it back on them in a

1035
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 2: way that's like, you are with me every day and

1036
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 2: we have gotten to a point where you respect me

1037
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 2: and admire me, and you can't do that for your

1038
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 2: fellow classmate just because he's black. Like he really just

1039
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 2: turns it on them so quickly and so subtly. It's amazing, And.

1040
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 1: It's more about like it feels like the message is

1041
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 1: more like, are you going to live your life caring

1042
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: what other people think of you as opposed to just

1043
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 1: doing the right thing right? Not that racism. I mean,

1044
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 1: of course he's saying racism is terrible, but it's not

1045
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 1: this over like conversation. I think that maybe if it

1046
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 1: was another film, it would have been a little different.

1047
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 1: I just think it's interesting.

1048
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 2: Beating it into the ground. If it was another film, Yeah,

1049
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 2: completely well, and like that's.

1050
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 1: I think what I'm curious to hear your thoughts about,

1051
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 1: because I feel like, you know, unlike guess Who's coming

1052
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 1: to dinner, which is the topic of race is literally

1053
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 1: like every moment in that film, This movie seems to

1054
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 1: be doing something kind of different. It feels a little

1055
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 1: bit more I don't know if effervessen's the word, but

1056
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 1: it's got a little bit more of a feel good storyline, right, Yeah,

1057
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 1: And whenever I watch this movie, I really do love

1058
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 1: that part of it because there's a moment where I

1059
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 1: do think, you know, hey, it is kind of cool

1060
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 1: for an actor like Cidny Poitier, who who has so

1061
00:59:55,360 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 1: much importance he gets he's kind of like in this film,

1062
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 1: he's like a rock star at some point, like at

1063
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 1: the the when he wins the kids over, Like in

1064
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 1: this entire movie, he's very charming and handsome and like

1065
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 1: everybody's in love with him. I mean every like when

1066
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 1: he comes into the school at the very beginning, Like

1067
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 1: I mean even at the very beginning of the film,

1068
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 1: the women on the bus are like, oh, he's hot.

1069
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 2: He's sitting there looking out the window and they're like,

1070
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 2: I put him in a stocking and take him home,

1071
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 2: and they're like, you wouldn't know what to do with him.

1072
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 2: It's like the horniest conversation and he's just stuck against

1073
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 2: a window like listening to it. Well, and like.

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Speaker 1: I love that, yeah, you know, And there's this part

1075
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 1: of me that's like I don't know, you're I guess

1076
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 1: maybe getting your opinion again. It's just this thing where

1077
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 1: it's like, well, you know, I'm never sure if it's

1078
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 1: a good thing that that race isn't the true center

1079
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 1: of this film in a way like is it okay

1080
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 1: that it is a little bit just more light and

1081
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 1: you know, kind of like fun.

1082
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 2: Here's the thing. I think race is the center of

1083
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 2: this film. I think it's just that the way it's

1084
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 2: portrayed is in a way that gives him agency and

1085
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 2: it doesn't make him like an instantly pathetic character in

1086
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:16,920
Speaker 2: the story of race. So it becomes a different story

1087
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 2: of race because you're looking at a character who has

1088
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 2: enough agency to say like, yeah, I know what world

1089
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 2: I live in, I see what's going on. I refuse

1090
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 2: to accept it. And I think that is what's fascinating

1091
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 2: about it and what gives it kind of some levity

1092
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 2: but also gives it like roots it in a reality,

1093
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 2: is that they're not saying like race doesn't exist here.

1094
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 2: It's just like, yeah, it does. But he has his

1095
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 2: own point of view that he's able to express and

1096
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 2: that he has found a way to be in this

1097
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 2: world that feels good and safe to him and then

1098
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 2: also has found a way to translate that through his teaching.

1099
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:55,479
Speaker 2: So I think that it's just like it's a very

1100
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:58,959
Speaker 2: different and cooler story of race during this time because

1101
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 2: it's not hitting you over the head with a hammer.

1102
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 2: It's more like, hey, uh, this is also just a

1103
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 2: day to day look at what's some black men experience

1104
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 2: in their professional lives, dealing with your children and the

1105
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 2: racist shit that you teach your children.

1106
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, and like, you know, it's interesting that you know,

1107
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 1: this teaching gig is something that he's just taking because

1108
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 1: ultimately he's an engineer and he wants an engineering job

1109
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 1: and gets the job. I mean, he's not You're right

1110
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:32,920
Speaker 1: that he has agency. You're right that he's sort of

1111
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 1: like a professional man who comes into this environment and

1112
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 1: he you know, is sort of thrown into the mix

1113
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 1: with these kids, and you know, he makes choices on

1114
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 1: how to behave and he you know sort of like,

1115
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:53,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, he Like I said, it's so interesting

1116
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 1: because he kind of like he kind of becomes like

1117
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 1: the big hero at the end of the film, which,

1118
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:59,080
Speaker 1: of course in these films and these teacher films, that

1119
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:05,000
Speaker 1: is usually happens, right, and Pamela one of the students,

1120
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 1: like I guess the girl, the girl gang leader. I mean,

1121
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 1: she actually develops this crush on him. And you know, again,

1122
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 1: maybe in a different film, maybe this would have a

1123
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:19,479
Speaker 1: ton of implications, being that she's like this young white

1124
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 1: girl or whatever, but in this movie, it seems very innocent. Yes,

1125
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 1: And there's this big school dance sequence towards the end

1126
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 1: of the film which I love favorite so much, I know,

1127
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:41,440
Speaker 1: where you get to see mister Thackeray dancing with Pamela

1128
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 1: because she wants to have a dance with him on

1129
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 1: you know, it's like the end of the school. They're

1130
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:47,640
Speaker 1: about to go out in the world, and you know

1131
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 1: they don't know it yet, but he's about to quit

1132
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 1: so he can take this job that he's been trying

1133
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 1: to get. And they're kind of dancing to this like

1134
01:03:56,800 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 1: sixties British invasion song and it's so cute, and you

1135
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:04,560
Speaker 1: get to see Cidny Poitier dancing in this like he

1136
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 1: looks like a little mod in his little mod suit

1137
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:08,960
Speaker 1: and it's so.

1138
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 2: Joyful, you know, like santacular because he's breaking his own

1139
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 2: like he's having fun too, like he's finally allowing himself

1140
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:21,280
Speaker 2: to connect to the students on a fun level, and

1141
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 2: it just is so fun to watch. Oh my god,

1142
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 2: it's almost as fun as a scene where they tried

1143
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 2: to teach him Cockney.

1144
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly exactly they're you know, because that's a lot

1145
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:33,920
Speaker 1: of it too, is that they're like these like hit modern,

1146
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 1: you know, British youth and he's like a you know,

1147
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 1: he keeps saying he's an old guy and he doesn't

1148
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 1: know what the cool stuff is, even though like that's

1149
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:45,600
Speaker 1: how he reveals that he actually he knows a little bit,

1150
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:49,440
Speaker 1: a little bit enough to like at least dance, you know,

1151
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:53,520
Speaker 1: and look great. But and then of course at the

1152
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:58,440
Speaker 1: end of the of the dance, you know, like they

1153
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:00,160
Speaker 1: present him with this gift.

1154
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:00,080
Speaker 2: And.

1155
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:04,920
Speaker 1: His face after he gets it is just so pure,

1156
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:09,440
Speaker 1: and he's genuinely emotional and touched by their gesture, and

1157
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 1: it makes me.

1158
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 4: Cry every time, every time time, and I'm like, why

1159
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 4: am I crying again? And then Lulu's up there singing

1160
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 4: the song I Mean to Sir with love is based

1161
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 4: obviously written for this film about this teacher, because they've

1162
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 4: learned to call him sir, and it's just like, Oh

1163
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 4: my god, it just every time breaks me down.

1164
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm so glad you picked it. I'm so glad

1165
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:36,480
Speaker 2: we got to talk about it. I love it. It's a

1166
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:39,919
Speaker 2: perennial favor for me, and I think it's, like you said,

1167
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:44,160
Speaker 2: it's a great film, the showcase kind of the scope

1168
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:48,280
Speaker 2: of what Sidney Poitier was able to do as an

1169
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 2: actor during a very demanding and revelatory and creative and

1170
01:05:55,960 --> 01:06:01,320
Speaker 2: race filled time in Hollywood. I love it. I love

1171
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:03,560
Speaker 2: this movie so much. Thank you so much for picking it.

1172
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Of course, now we get to talk

1173
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 1: about your movie.

1174
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:18,640
Speaker 2: Doooo do I My film was for our theme, My

1175
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:22,120
Speaker 2: film for our theme of Sydney Poitiers. Here to Remind

1176
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:26,480
Speaker 2: You that You're Racist Again was released in nineteen sixty one,

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01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:31,120
Speaker 2: directed by Daniel Petrie. The screenplay is by Lorraine Hansbury

1178
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 2: and it's based on her play A Raisin in the

1179
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 2: Sun by Loraine Hansbury and my film is Raisin in

1180
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:37,959
Speaker 2: the Sun.

1181
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 1: Baby, Till nothing happen for you in this world unless

1182
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 1: somebody gets paid off alone, eat eggs. You're gonna be.

1183
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 2: Cold, man, say this woman.

1184
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 1: I got me a dream, she says, Eat eggs. They

1185
01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:49,920
Speaker 1: getting cold.

1186
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:52,560
Speaker 2: Man say this woman helped me now to take a

1187
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:54,560
Speaker 2: hole in this world somehow, And she says each eggs

1188
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 2: and go to work. I tell you I gotta.

1189
01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:58,880
Speaker 1: Change my life because I'm kilking a death, and all

1190
01:06:58,920 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 1: you say.

1191
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:02,080
Speaker 2: To music these eggs. Now. I did not write a

1192
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:05,760
Speaker 2: one sentence synopsis for this film for two reasons. One,

1193
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:07,960
Speaker 2: I spent so much of the week being so mad

1194
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:12,320
Speaker 2: that I just couldn't concentrate when I sat down to

1195
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 2: do it, and then I sat down to record and

1196
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:15,280
Speaker 2: I was like, oh yeah, I never got over that

1197
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:18,880
Speaker 2: and did it. The other is that it's usually I

1198
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 2: as soon as I watched the film for our homework,

1199
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:26,080
Speaker 2: like I'll do my write up right after it than

1200
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:29,520
Speaker 2: any research that I have right after it. And I

1201
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:31,520
Speaker 2: watched this film. I watched both of these films with

1202
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 2: my grandma, and this one after we watched A Reason

1203
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:39,760
Speaker 2: in the Sun, she wanted to watch Rocky, like we

1204
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 2: watched Creed the night before, and then because we watched Creed,

1205
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:46,920
Speaker 2: she was like, let's watch that Sylvester Stallone and all

1206
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:49,360
Speaker 2: those boxing movies. And I'm like, all right, Rocky is

1207
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:52,240
Speaker 2: one of my god damn favorite fucking movies of all time. Yeah,

1208
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:54,320
Speaker 2: and I have a tattoo. I have a tattoo based

1209
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:56,080
Speaker 2: on the fucking movie. And I'm like, I'll watch Rocky

1210
01:07:56,200 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 2: any I own it. I will watch it any day

1211
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:00,680
Speaker 2: of the week. We watched all the Rocky that weekend.

1212
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:03,439
Speaker 2: Like I watched this movie and then all I watched

1213
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:04,760
Speaker 2: was Rocky for like two days straight.

1214
01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:09,520
Speaker 1: It's a good, good cooler, I think, a little cooler.

1215
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 2: So I didn't write my one sentence synopsis, but if

1216
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:16,360
Speaker 2: I had to come up with one, I would say,

1217
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:18,519
Speaker 2: like on the spot, I would say that this is

1218
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:22,519
Speaker 2: a film that or this is this is a film

1219
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:27,519
Speaker 2: that explores the complicated dynamics of family, class, and race

1220
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:35,320
Speaker 2: in Southside Chicago during a very turbulent time. Perfect and

1221
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:38,679
Speaker 2: it's wonderful. If you don't know anything about Loraine Hansbury,

1222
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:42,320
Speaker 2: who like tragically died when she was thirty four of cancer,

1223
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:46,200
Speaker 2: you should look up some stuff about her. She's she's very,

1224
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:52,679
Speaker 2: very interesting creator. There's a documentary called Loraine Hansbury, Sighted Eyes,

1225
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:56,240
Speaker 2: Feeling Heart, and it's kind of about a Raisin in

1226
01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 2: the Sun and how it represented like African American theory,

1227
01:09:00,320 --> 01:09:05,679
Speaker 2: African American people and the play kind of changed theater,

1228
01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 2: Like it just kind of was revolutionized American theater. So

1229
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 2: she was really set, I think, really quite poised to

1230
01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 2: have an incredible career and just died way too young.

1231
01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:21,280
Speaker 2: There's also a lot of cool and interesting information about,

1232
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:25,040
Speaker 2: you know, kind of her her romantic life and if

1233
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:27,400
Speaker 2: she was queer and like, there's just a lot out

1234
01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:30,439
Speaker 2: there that I think is interesting. She was, she was

1235
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:34,080
Speaker 2: married to a man named Robert Nemerov, But I don't know,

1236
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:35,600
Speaker 2: I just feel like I don't I don't like to

1237
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:37,960
Speaker 2: speculate about the dead, but I know there's also so

1238
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:42,000
Speaker 2: much information out there about who she was, and it's

1239
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:44,120
Speaker 2: worth looking up because I think she was a fucking

1240
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:48,760
Speaker 2: dynamic writer and what she or what she was able

1241
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:52,000
Speaker 2: to give us before she passed away was incredibly revolutionary.

1242
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:54,200
Speaker 2: So imagine what she could have what she could have been,

1243
01:09:56,360 --> 01:09:58,160
Speaker 2: and what I love. What I love about this film

1244
01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:00,759
Speaker 2: first and foremost is the cast. The ca is incredible.

1245
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 2: So you have Sir Sidney Poitier playing Walter Lee Younger,

1246
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:08,880
Speaker 2: who is the kind of new patriarch of a family.

1247
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:15,360
Speaker 2: His father has died and he and his wife, their son,

1248
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:18,800
Speaker 2: his sister, and his mother all live together in this

1249
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:24,960
Speaker 2: incredibly cramped small apartment in southside of Chicago. It is

1250
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:27,720
Speaker 2: the kind of apartment where the bathroom is in the

1251
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:31,760
Speaker 2: hallway and it's shared by the building. Yep. And they

1252
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:35,000
Speaker 2: are doing everything they can to survive, and sticking together

1253
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:36,880
Speaker 2: as a family a huge part of that. But I

1254
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:39,880
Speaker 2: will get into that in a moment. His mother, Lena Younger,

1255
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:43,960
Speaker 2: is played by Claudia McNeil. Ruby D plays his wife, Ruth,

1256
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:48,920
Speaker 2: and ruby D is another absolutely fascinating actor from this time.

1257
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:53,400
Speaker 2: She's married to Ozzie Davis. Together but also singularly, I

1258
01:10:53,439 --> 01:10:59,080
Speaker 2: think she really they kind of really brought Hollywood into

1259
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:04,479
Speaker 2: this wave of civil rights activism. And I think that,

1260
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:07,559
Speaker 2: you know, again like singularly on their own, but also

1261
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:12,960
Speaker 2: together as a couple, they really used their platform to

1262
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 2: tell the story of the civil rights movement in America.

1263
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:18,519
Speaker 2: And there's so again, so much information out there about

1264
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:21,840
Speaker 2: them that is fabulous. Please look it up if you

1265
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 2: don't know anything about them. There just we're just fantastic people.

1266
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:31,240
Speaker 2: His sister beneath, the younger they call Nitha, was played

1267
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:35,760
Speaker 2: by Diana Sands, and there's even a little young very

1268
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:39,640
Speaker 2: baby is Lewis gossip junior in here playing George Murshison,

1269
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:43,960
Speaker 2: who's this suitor, a suitor of beneath A. So it's

1270
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:48,160
Speaker 2: just again like just the cast alone is absolutely stunning,

1271
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:52,640
Speaker 2: And the whole premise of this film is that, like

1272
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:56,639
Speaker 2: I said, Walter Lee Younger has died, the senior has died,

1273
01:11:57,320 --> 01:12:00,599
Speaker 2: and the family is expecting a ten thousand dollar life

1274
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 2: insurance payout. Every single person in the family has a

1275
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:06,759
Speaker 2: different idea of what they should do with the money. Lena,

1276
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:08,840
Speaker 2: the mother, wants to buy a house and give them

1277
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:13,040
Speaker 2: some safety and security. Ruth agrees with her, but Na

1278
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:16,200
Speaker 2: Beneatha wants to use the money for her college tuition,

1279
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:19,280
Speaker 2: and Walter wants to use it to invest in a

1280
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:21,479
Speaker 2: liquor store. So there's a lot of friction about what

1281
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:24,719
Speaker 2: they should do with the money. So Walter is interesting

1282
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:29,880
Speaker 2: because he all he wants in life is respect, and

1283
01:12:30,040 --> 01:12:33,479
Speaker 2: he wants to be a businessman, and he's currently a

1284
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:36,720
Speaker 2: chauffeur for a white family, for a white business guy,

1285
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:41,400
Speaker 2: and he doesn't want to live his life that way.

1286
01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:44,960
Speaker 2: He keeps feeling like the whole movie you're getting a

1287
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:47,960
Speaker 2: lot of information from him about how he wants to

1288
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:51,720
Speaker 2: be treated and how disrespected he feels. So a lot

1289
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:54,400
Speaker 2: of his decisions and a lot of his desires are

1290
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:57,439
Speaker 2: rooted in trying to make a point, Like so much

1291
01:12:57,479 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 2: of his life is exterior, Like he wants people to

1292
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:05,000
Speaker 2: see him as this kind of very accomplished guy, but

1293
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:08,880
Speaker 2: then he makes the most ridiculous mistakes and kind of

1294
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:11,240
Speaker 2: isn't that guy, Like he really does a lot to

1295
01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:14,800
Speaker 2: he's more interested in the facade than he is in

1296
01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:17,400
Speaker 2: building the life that would get him that respect. Let's

1297
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:20,040
Speaker 2: say he's in it for the quick dollar. And so

1298
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:23,840
Speaker 2: when his friend Willie and Bobo come over and they're like, hey,

1299
01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:26,960
Speaker 2: invest in this liquor store with us, his mother Lena

1300
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:31,200
Speaker 2: is angry because she's like, I would never ever want

1301
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:33,800
Speaker 2: you to use any money to invest in liquor which

1302
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:36,599
Speaker 2: is destroying the African American like destroying the black community.

1303
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:39,120
Speaker 2: So she doesn't want to help him for that reason.

1304
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:41,280
Speaker 2: She's like, I'm not giving you money to help destroy

1305
01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:44,920
Speaker 2: our people. But he's just so pent up, Like his

1306
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:49,640
Speaker 2: acting in this film is it's so tight, Like he

1307
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:52,720
Speaker 2: keeps saying all throughout the movie, his biggest point is like,

1308
01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:55,800
Speaker 2: you know, black women need to support black men and

1309
01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:59,559
Speaker 2: anything they do. But then again, like he doesn't make

1310
01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 2: any rational decisions that are worth supporting, So it's just

1311
01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:05,720
Speaker 2: kind of a strange tension that he's creating, and he

1312
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:09,519
Speaker 2: drinks a lot, and it's just again, this is a

1313
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:12,520
Speaker 2: movie that, to me is very much about class dynamics

1314
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:15,519
Speaker 2: and race dynamics, but it's also about gender dynamics, and

1315
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:19,880
Speaker 2: I think the overall theme of the film is kind

1316
01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:22,879
Speaker 2: of examining the American dream, like who is the American

1317
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:26,720
Speaker 2: dream for? How do you access it? And what does

1318
01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:29,760
Speaker 2: it even mean if you're trying to chase a dream

1319
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:32,679
Speaker 2: that wasn't designed for you. And so he's a really

1320
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:35,840
Speaker 2: interesting representative of that, and Walter is kind of I

1321
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:38,519
Speaker 2: kind of love that Sidney Poitier is playing this character

1322
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:42,439
Speaker 2: because he's not out and out likable. There are definitely

1323
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:44,400
Speaker 2: times in the movie where I feel like you're rooting

1324
01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:46,920
Speaker 2: for him more than the others. But he's kind of

1325
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:50,160
Speaker 2: a mess and you're kind of like all throughout the

1326
01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:53,240
Speaker 2: movie like wanting him to get his shit together and

1327
01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:56,120
Speaker 2: kind of waiting for that moment to happen. So I

1328
01:14:56,360 --> 01:14:58,240
Speaker 2: like that. I like that for that time frame, you know,

1329
01:14:58,360 --> 01:15:00,720
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty one, that's a really interest seeing character to

1330
01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:04,040
Speaker 2: play as someone who's not out and out likable, and

1331
01:15:04,160 --> 01:15:07,360
Speaker 2: you can't just rest on the like, well, he's a

1332
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:09,120
Speaker 2: black man, so we should do whatever we can for him,

1333
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:11,320
Speaker 2: because like he's a fucking mess. Yeah.

1334
01:15:12,280 --> 01:15:15,360
Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah. I mean it's kind of that, you know,

1335
01:15:17,439 --> 01:15:19,479
Speaker 1: I don't want to call it a flawed character, but

1336
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:21,519
Speaker 1: in a way, it's that thing where it's like it's

1337
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:24,760
Speaker 1: not so simple. He's not always good and he's not

1338
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:28,800
Speaker 1: always bad, and you know, he might have good intentions,

1339
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:32,400
Speaker 1: but he kind of doesn't think about things like all

1340
01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:37,000
Speaker 1: the way through, and there's times when he seems really greedy,

1341
01:15:39,479 --> 01:15:41,800
Speaker 1: but then there are times where you really genuinely feel

1342
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:44,720
Speaker 1: sorry for him, like you're just like, you know, this

1343
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:47,840
Speaker 1: poor guy. He just wants a shot and he wants

1344
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:51,400
Speaker 1: to feel like he's building something for himself, and he can't.

1345
01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:55,040
Speaker 1: Every time he tries, he can't get there. But then

1346
01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:57,000
Speaker 1: he also falls on his own swords. So it's very,

1347
01:15:57,479 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 1: very complicated. But that's a really meaty character to play,

1348
01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:03,519
Speaker 1: right That's that's an interesting, compelling character.

1349
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:07,519
Speaker 2: So absolutely yeah, I love that character. I think that

1350
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:10,599
Speaker 2: there's just so much to explore and he really does

1351
01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:14,320
Speaker 2: run with it. And I think that, you know, Benny

1352
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:18,240
Speaker 2: Nita Benita, I think is another interesting character because she's

1353
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:23,080
Speaker 2: so flighty, like she doesn't seem in a modern context,

1354
01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:27,800
Speaker 2: she would be kind of like a like a influencer.

1355
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:29,839
Speaker 2: I guess she would say, like she just tries everything

1356
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:34,040
Speaker 2: that she can to kind of improve her own life

1357
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:37,760
Speaker 2: and be seen and kind of get get hers. And

1358
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:40,680
Speaker 2: so she's taken guitar lessons and like she used to

1359
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:43,160
Speaker 2: take a horseback riding lessons, and her family is just like,

1360
01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:45,720
Speaker 2: you need to calm the fuck down and decide on

1361
01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:49,400
Speaker 2: how to live, Like we can't keep investing in your

1362
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:50,919
Speaker 2: flighty fucking ideas.

1363
01:16:52,040 --> 01:16:55,879
Speaker 1: Not gonna lie. I've saw a little bit of myself.

1364
01:16:56,000 --> 01:17:00,040
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, I've definitely taken drum lessons, and

1365
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:02,519
Speaker 1: I've been you know, I've done all, like all of

1366
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:04,960
Speaker 1: the gear. Like they complain about how she buys all

1367
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:08,040
Speaker 1: this expensive gear for like all of her shit, and

1368
01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:09,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, that's me.

1369
01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:11,120
Speaker 2: Like go through my closet.

1370
01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:13,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, it's like all of my all of

1371
01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:17,479
Speaker 1: my various hobbies that I decided to do randomly, and

1372
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:21,280
Speaker 1: all of the expensive gear to do it. It's sitting

1373
01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:24,160
Speaker 1: in a closet. I was like, oh, yeah, this is me.

1374
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:27,439
Speaker 2: I love it. I connected to it a little bit

1375
01:17:27,439 --> 01:17:30,760
Speaker 2: too much too, And I especially think so because you know,

1376
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:34,200
Speaker 2: Benny is a character who is not motivated by marriage.

1377
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:38,240
Speaker 2: She's not motivated by God or family. She is motivated

1378
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:42,680
Speaker 2: by her own desires, and that is truly she is

1379
01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:45,240
Speaker 2: a radical, Like that is truly radical for this day

1380
01:17:45,280 --> 01:17:47,800
Speaker 2: and age. Like she's she's courting two men at once,

1381
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:51,320
Speaker 2: like the George Murchison character played by Lewis Gossett Junior.

1382
01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:54,679
Speaker 2: Is this very rich he's from a rich black family,

1383
01:17:54,760 --> 01:17:56,800
Speaker 2: which again is like unheard of in this time or

1384
01:17:56,920 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 2: very rare in this time. Not unheard of, but very rare.

1385
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:02,479
Speaker 2: And she's like, and I like him so much. You

1386
01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:04,320
Speaker 2: know who I really like is this African guy I

1387
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:07,120
Speaker 2: meant called ass a guy who you know, like I

1388
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:09,880
Speaker 2: kind of want to be all about his shit. And

1389
01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:13,559
Speaker 2: her family's like, can you sincerely just pick a lane?

1390
01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:15,960
Speaker 2: Like what are you doing? Like go marry the rich

1391
01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:18,280
Speaker 2: black guy. If you want to be a doctor so bad,

1392
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:20,360
Speaker 2: marry that dude. And she's like, nah, I don't think

1393
01:18:20,439 --> 01:18:23,639
Speaker 2: so yeah, Or she's also like, what if I don't

1394
01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:24,600
Speaker 2: marry anybody?

1395
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:27,439
Speaker 1: And just do what I wanted to, which is really

1396
01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:30,880
Speaker 1: actually revolutionary in this era, is for her to be like,

1397
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:32,200
Speaker 1: I don't think I want either of.

1398
01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:36,759
Speaker 2: This absolutely, and that's kind of like her. She starts

1399
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:41,400
Speaker 2: to kind of romanticize Africa for that reason, because she

1400
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:47,360
Speaker 2: starts to talk about how assimilation has ruined black people

1401
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:49,840
Speaker 2: in America, like they've we've been trying so hard for

1402
01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:52,439
Speaker 2: so long to assimilate to whiteness, and it's taken something

1403
01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:55,920
Speaker 2: away from us. So she's really attracted to you know,

1404
01:18:56,120 --> 01:18:59,360
Speaker 2: this this this guy that she met in college, but

1405
01:18:59,479 --> 01:19:01,439
Speaker 2: it's not even because she wants to marry him. She's like,

1406
01:19:01,479 --> 01:19:03,719
Speaker 2: I'm just interested in living a different kind of life.

1407
01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:07,479
Speaker 2: And I just find her a fascinatingly radical character, way

1408
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:10,600
Speaker 2: ahead of her time. And Lena, her poor mom, is

1409
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:13,120
Speaker 2: like what has happened to my children? Like how did

1410
01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:18,360
Speaker 2: I raise these children? What is going on? And it's

1411
01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:22,479
Speaker 2: really shocking to her because she is I think something

1412
01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:24,439
Speaker 2: that I definitely want to talk about is that the

1413
01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:27,400
Speaker 2: fact that from Lina's perspective, because she's so tired and

1414
01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:29,240
Speaker 2: she's worked her whole life and they moved up from

1415
01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:36,560
Speaker 2: the South and this whole family is their survival, and

1416
01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:40,040
Speaker 2: not just their survival, but their ability to even thrive

1417
01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:44,000
Speaker 2: a little bit is rooted in the fact that their

1418
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:48,840
Speaker 2: father had to die. So like Walter Younger Senior worked

1419
01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:52,759
Speaker 2: himself to actual death in order to give his family

1420
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:56,320
Speaker 2: a fighting chance, And that is a thick thread that

1421
01:19:56,560 --> 01:19:59,759
Speaker 2: runs through this film that they come back to and everyone,

1422
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,120
Speaker 2: which is upon every once in a while, and it's

1423
01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:05,439
Speaker 2: like it's a deep pain for the characters that they're

1424
01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:07,160
Speaker 2: all trying to figure out how to spend this money,

1425
01:20:07,200 --> 01:20:09,720
Speaker 2: but also realizing they only have this money because their

1426
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:13,240
Speaker 2: father died and that you know he's working. He was

1427
01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:16,040
Speaker 2: working in a servile position his whole life, and Ruth

1428
01:20:16,160 --> 01:20:19,479
Speaker 2: is a servant, and Lena was a servant, and Walter

1429
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:21,560
Speaker 2: is a servant. So beneath the looks at all of

1430
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:23,040
Speaker 2: this and is like, I don't want to do any

1431
01:20:23,080 --> 01:20:25,280
Speaker 2: of that. But then each of these characters in their

1432
01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:28,400
Speaker 2: own right are like, but there's something like we have

1433
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:31,559
Speaker 2: to do something and carve some respect out of these

1434
01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:33,840
Speaker 2: jobs because we know that they are going to kill us,

1435
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:35,840
Speaker 2: we know they're going to work us to death, and

1436
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:40,280
Speaker 2: that we will not have anything of our own unless

1437
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:43,200
Speaker 2: we participate in the system. So it's just it's a

1438
01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:47,360
Speaker 2: really cool friction between the assimilation conversation and what we're

1439
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:49,200
Speaker 2: seeing with the characters and how they have to live

1440
01:20:49,240 --> 01:20:54,160
Speaker 2: in America because they're there's not even a choice. It's

1441
01:20:54,240 --> 01:20:56,400
Speaker 2: like this is this is the option for you. So

1442
01:20:57,080 --> 01:20:59,479
Speaker 2: it kind of explains why Walter is so gung ho

1443
01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:02,760
Speaker 2: to do something different, and you kind of start to understand,

1444
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:05,519
Speaker 2: like this is why he wants to invest in something

1445
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:08,680
Speaker 2: and be part of something bigger than himself because he

1446
01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:10,960
Speaker 2: doesn't want to work himself to death. He doesn't want

1447
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:14,240
Speaker 2: to live the life that his father lived. So it's

1448
01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:17,960
Speaker 2: just really again like a fascinating portrayal. And this is

1449
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:22,320
Speaker 2: all happening in this incredibly cramped apartment. In one of

1450
01:21:22,360 --> 01:21:25,120
Speaker 2: the earlier scenes of the film, like his kid asked

1451
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:28,760
Speaker 2: for money and Ruth is like, absolutely not, and he's like,

1452
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:30,720
Speaker 2: oh not only will I give you fifty cents, here's

1453
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:32,960
Speaker 2: a dollar. Like he wants to kind of be seen

1454
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:36,519
Speaker 2: as like that guy to his kid, you know, he

1455
01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:39,680
Speaker 2: wants to be to his son what I think his

1456
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:43,519
Speaker 2: father couldn't be for him. And so it's just again

1457
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:46,920
Speaker 2: this kind of real, this real look at gender dynamics

1458
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:48,760
Speaker 2: that I find completely fascinating.

1459
01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:54,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I really think that Ruby the character is

1460
01:21:54,640 --> 01:22:00,679
Speaker 1: like also in her own way, like they all want something,

1461
01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:03,960
Speaker 1: they all want something that's bigger and better, you know,

1462
01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:06,640
Speaker 1: and like a lot of it a lot of what

1463
01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:08,759
Speaker 1: she wants that she wants to live in this house,

1464
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:13,960
Speaker 1: she wants to you know, essentially take I mean, you know,

1465
01:22:14,040 --> 01:22:17,160
Speaker 1: she's she's basically in this family by marriage, but is

1466
01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:23,200
Speaker 1: close to Lena, right, they have a relationship, and you know,

1467
01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:26,360
Speaker 1: she really wants Lena to take the money and put

1468
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:29,400
Speaker 1: a down payment on a house, and that's like what

1469
01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:32,479
Speaker 1: she's always wanted, even though she will technically live in

1470
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:34,800
Speaker 1: the house with all of these people still, but that's

1471
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:40,640
Speaker 1: like even to just move into a different circumstance with

1472
01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:43,920
Speaker 1: all these people is still better than what they have, right,

1473
01:22:44,160 --> 01:22:47,760
Speaker 1: which is that they're in a two bedroom apartment, cramp

1474
01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:49,960
Speaker 1: little apartment exactly.

1475
01:22:50,280 --> 01:22:53,320
Speaker 2: And Ruth is pregnant, we find out. So that's part

1476
01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:56,400
Speaker 2: of her motivation is she's like, I can't even have

1477
01:22:56,520 --> 01:22:59,320
Speaker 2: the family I want to have in this space.

1478
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:00,160
Speaker 1: Yea.

1479
01:23:01,040 --> 01:23:05,439
Speaker 2: So it's it's painful, and it's it's wild and it's weird,

1480
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:09,559
Speaker 2: and it's kind of just so much emotion comes up

1481
01:23:09,640 --> 01:23:13,600
Speaker 2: from the things that people should want in life, like

1482
01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:15,559
Speaker 2: they there's this I guess what I'm trying to say

1483
01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:17,839
Speaker 2: is like there's this this feeling that they're not allowed

1484
01:23:17,920 --> 01:23:20,000
Speaker 2: to want things because they don't know if they can

1485
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:24,640
Speaker 2: support that in their life, and how limiting that is

1486
01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:27,360
Speaker 2: for them. Because I should be able to be happy

1487
01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:31,000
Speaker 2: about having this kid, and I can't because we can't

1488
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:33,040
Speaker 2: fit it another kid in this house, in this apartment.

1489
01:23:34,120 --> 01:23:36,320
Speaker 2: The one thing that.

1490
01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:39,960
Speaker 1: Every time I have seen it it really resonates with me,

1491
01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:44,160
Speaker 1: is this idea that the money is so important, Like

1492
01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:45,080
Speaker 1: the money.

1493
01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:45,479
Speaker 2: Is like.

1494
01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:49,960
Speaker 1: Truly the thing that's just so like it's like a

1495
01:23:50,120 --> 01:23:54,920
Speaker 1: character in the film. It informed it makes everybody want something,

1496
01:23:55,240 --> 01:23:58,320
Speaker 1: and it's just it's and I feel like there's been

1497
01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:02,400
Speaker 1: times in my life where I felt that we're like

1498
01:24:03,080 --> 01:24:06,880
Speaker 1: money was like a freedom for me in some way,

1499
01:24:07,560 --> 01:24:11,439
Speaker 1: and getting it, like waiting for the check, like holding

1500
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:13,800
Speaker 1: it in my hand, and that kind of stuff was

1501
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:16,760
Speaker 1: so important and then it just made me have all

1502
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:20,160
Speaker 1: these like wild possibilities and that kind of stuff that's

1503
01:24:20,200 --> 01:24:22,320
Speaker 1: happened I think in my life. I'm sure it's probably.

1504
01:24:22,040 --> 01:24:23,080
Speaker 2: Happened for many people.

1505
01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:27,000
Speaker 1: You know, Hell yeah, and that part of the movie

1506
01:24:27,080 --> 01:24:31,400
Speaker 1: is always just like, so it's so intense.

1507
01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:35,519
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, it's really loaded. It's really loaded because

1508
01:24:35,560 --> 01:24:38,160
Speaker 2: it is, and it's also again, it's part of this

1509
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:41,000
Speaker 2: larger conversation. I think that's part of the reason why

1510
01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:45,040
Speaker 2: this place was so revolutionary, is that it's discussing so

1511
01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:49,080
Speaker 2: much in such a short timeframe. And this umbrella that's

1512
01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:53,040
Speaker 2: hanging over everyone aside from this money and what we

1513
01:24:53,200 --> 01:24:57,400
Speaker 2: might do with it, is that they are not. They

1514
01:24:57,479 --> 01:25:00,760
Speaker 2: don't have the freedom in this country and culture to

1515
01:25:00,920 --> 01:25:03,240
Speaker 2: even do what they truly want to do with it,

1516
01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:07,840
Speaker 2: which is live freely. So every single thing that people

1517
01:25:07,960 --> 01:25:10,479
Speaker 2: want to do with this money is tainted somehow. So

1518
01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:14,160
Speaker 2: beneath a wants to go to college, or she's in

1519
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:17,519
Speaker 2: college and she wants to use this money for tuition

1520
01:25:17,800 --> 01:25:20,840
Speaker 2: to be a doctor. Well guess what. Guess how fucking

1521
01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:22,759
Speaker 2: hard it was to be a woman or a black

1522
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:26,960
Speaker 2: person becoming a doctor in this timeframe. Walter wants to

1523
01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:30,080
Speaker 2: invest and be a business person. Well guess what, He's

1524
01:25:30,200 --> 01:25:32,280
Speaker 2: never going to have enough money to invest enough to

1525
01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:34,360
Speaker 2: make any bank feel comfortable with him. That's why he

1526
01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:36,080
Speaker 2: has to go to his low life friends to find

1527
01:25:36,160 --> 01:25:40,120
Speaker 2: some weird situation to get into. And it's never more

1528
01:25:40,160 --> 01:25:43,000
Speaker 2: evident than when Lena does take some of the money

1529
01:25:43,080 --> 01:25:44,800
Speaker 2: and puts a down payment on the house. She takes

1530
01:25:44,840 --> 01:25:47,000
Speaker 2: thirty five hundred dollars and puts a down payment on

1531
01:25:47,080 --> 01:25:52,160
Speaker 2: a house in Cliburne Park. I think, yeah, Cliburn Park.

1532
01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:53,320
Speaker 1: And she.

1533
01:25:55,240 --> 01:25:58,720
Speaker 2: Quickly finds out that. You know. They go to the house,

1534
01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:00,640
Speaker 2: and that's such a beautiful scene where they go and

1535
01:26:00,720 --> 01:26:03,840
Speaker 2: see the house and they gift her with gardening tools

1536
01:26:03,880 --> 01:26:05,840
Speaker 2: because all she wants to do is have a place

1537
01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:09,720
Speaker 2: to garden. And it's such a beautiful scene of them

1538
01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:13,280
Speaker 2: exploring this house. And then they get home and they're

1539
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:17,760
Speaker 2: visited by a member of the Clyburne Improvement Association who's

1540
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:20,240
Speaker 2: essentially this white guy that shows up and is like,

1541
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:22,400
Speaker 2: it would be really much better for us if you

1542
01:26:22,479 --> 01:26:24,759
Speaker 2: didn't move into that fucking house, and we will actually

1543
01:26:24,840 --> 01:26:27,439
Speaker 2: pay you more than the house is worth so that

1544
01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:29,479
Speaker 2: you don't move in, like we'll pay to keep you out.

1545
01:26:30,120 --> 01:26:33,280
Speaker 2: And so there's this discussion that needs to happen. If

1546
01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:35,720
Speaker 2: you are not aware of what this is, there's a

1547
01:26:36,040 --> 01:26:41,200
Speaker 2: thing that happens called redlining, where entire neighborhoods are kind

1548
01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:43,400
Speaker 2: of you know, real estate agents will like draw a

1549
01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:47,720
Speaker 2: line literally, like used to draw a line around neighborhoods

1550
01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:49,679
Speaker 2: as a way to keep black people out, like there's

1551
01:26:49,720 --> 01:26:52,280
Speaker 2: a barrier and a border of like you cannot cross

1552
01:26:52,960 --> 01:26:55,920
Speaker 2: this line. It happened in New York City. That's why

1553
01:26:56,160 --> 01:26:58,040
Speaker 2: you see so many parts of New York City in

1554
01:26:58,120 --> 01:27:00,920
Speaker 2: the early part of the century that purely black, or

1555
01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:04,040
Speaker 2: purely Italian, or purely this or that, And it still

1556
01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:07,760
Speaker 2: happens now. I will I will tell you. I think

1557
01:27:07,880 --> 01:27:09,320
Speaker 2: it kind of happened to me when I bought my

1558
01:27:09,400 --> 01:27:15,679
Speaker 2: house because I was buying my house at the same

1559
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:17,920
Speaker 2: time a friend of mine was trying to buy a home,

1560
01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:21,679
Speaker 2: and they were in different parts of upstate New York.

1561
01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:24,080
Speaker 2: And my friend is married and was buying a house.

1562
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:26,240
Speaker 2: She's married and white and was buying a house with

1563
01:27:26,360 --> 01:27:29,840
Speaker 2: her husband. I am single and black and buying a

1564
01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:34,679
Speaker 2: house on my own. And their mortgage was approved probably

1565
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:38,439
Speaker 2: five times faster than mine, Like it took months for

1566
01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:41,200
Speaker 2: my mortgage to be approved. And I finally called the

1567
01:27:41,240 --> 01:27:43,120
Speaker 2: bank one day and I'm like, I'd like for you

1568
01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:45,120
Speaker 2: to explain this to me, because just using my friends.

1569
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:49,639
Speaker 2: As an example, as a single person, I make ten

1570
01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:51,960
Speaker 2: times more money than they do and they got their

1571
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:55,479
Speaker 2: mortgage approved faster than me. So what exactly is going

1572
01:27:55,560 --> 01:27:59,880
Speaker 2: on here? And they were like uh, and then they

1573
01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:00,920
Speaker 2: approved the next day.

1574
01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:02,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1575
01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:05,559
Speaker 2: And it happens all the time, Like there are people

1576
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:10,519
Speaker 2: who there was a just recently, a guy who was

1577
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:13,600
Speaker 2: putting his house on the market and because he you know,

1578
01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:16,720
Speaker 2: kind of listed that he was black, the house was

1579
01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:20,320
Speaker 2: valued at two hundred thousand dollars less than it was

1580
01:28:20,360 --> 01:28:22,599
Speaker 2: when he changed the application and said he was white.

1581
01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:25,080
Speaker 2: I mean, this shit happens all the time. So this

1582
01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:28,240
Speaker 2: house is so important to this to the younger family

1583
01:28:28,720 --> 01:28:32,439
Speaker 2: for so many reasons, but it also will not really

1584
01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:35,200
Speaker 2: solve the greater issue, which is they're living in a

1585
01:28:35,320 --> 01:28:37,800
Speaker 2: racist country that doesn't want them to have anything or

1586
01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:41,280
Speaker 2: own anything. So when this fucking guy shows up, it

1587
01:28:41,400 --> 01:28:45,120
Speaker 2: throws everything into chaos. And it's kind of an interesting

1588
01:28:45,960 --> 01:28:48,920
Speaker 2: there's an interesting shift because us a guy comes and

1589
01:28:49,080 --> 01:28:52,640
Speaker 2: is basically you know, beneath this like a in a

1590
01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:54,960
Speaker 2: tizzy because Walter has lost some of the money and

1591
01:28:55,400 --> 01:28:56,920
Speaker 2: he comes and he's like, well, none of that money

1592
01:28:57,040 --> 01:28:59,320
Speaker 2: was yours to begin with, Like you, it's it's sad

1593
01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:02,120
Speaker 2: that America pushes black people into a place where they

1594
01:29:02,240 --> 01:29:05,680
Speaker 2: have to, you know, think of money in this way.

1595
01:29:05,760 --> 01:29:08,600
Speaker 2: Like he kind of has a very philosophical approach to it,

1596
01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:10,479
Speaker 2: and she doesn't want to hear it, of course, but

1597
01:29:10,560 --> 01:29:12,160
Speaker 2: he's like, you should come back to Nigeria with me.

1598
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:14,280
Speaker 2: I'll show you some shit. But I just kind of

1599
01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:18,600
Speaker 2: like that there's somebody in there who who just pointedly

1600
01:29:18,680 --> 01:29:21,920
Speaker 2: says that there's something really wrong when the dreams of

1601
01:29:22,280 --> 01:29:26,160
Speaker 2: an entire family rest on one man's death, and he

1602
01:29:26,320 --> 01:29:29,240
Speaker 2: just points it out in such an eloquent way, and

1603
01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:32,040
Speaker 2: I think it really I don't know. There's also like

1604
01:29:32,360 --> 01:29:35,759
Speaker 2: there's just so much happening here, but there's something about

1605
01:29:35,880 --> 01:29:38,479
Speaker 2: the there's a plant metaphor that runs through this whole

1606
01:29:38,520 --> 01:29:40,880
Speaker 2: film as well, where you know, Lena kind of tends

1607
01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:46,000
Speaker 2: to this very sickly plant that is not thriving, and

1608
01:29:46,840 --> 01:29:48,639
Speaker 2: she puts it in the windowsill, but when you look

1609
01:29:48,640 --> 01:29:50,760
Speaker 2: out the window, you realize there's just another building there.

1610
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:53,519
Speaker 2: It's not getting enough sunlight, and she keeps tending to it,

1611
01:29:53,640 --> 01:29:55,559
Speaker 2: and she wants to pack it with them and move

1612
01:29:55,960 --> 01:29:57,639
Speaker 2: it with them. Like everyone's like, why are you taking

1613
01:29:57,640 --> 01:29:59,800
Speaker 2: care of this little plant, and it's a metaphor for

1614
01:29:59,840 --> 01:30:02,240
Speaker 2: the black experience in America, where it's like you have

1615
01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:05,160
Speaker 2: to tend to what you can and keep these little

1616
01:30:05,240 --> 01:30:09,439
Speaker 2: parts of yourself alive so that one day you can

1617
01:30:09,560 --> 01:30:12,960
Speaker 2: get to a spot where you can truly like feel

1618
01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:18,360
Speaker 2: the full sunlight of experience. And the title of this

1619
01:30:18,439 --> 01:30:21,160
Speaker 2: place is taken from a Langston Hughes poem, which is

1620
01:30:21,200 --> 01:30:23,920
Speaker 2: also worth looking up. And I think that it's just

1621
01:30:25,040 --> 01:30:28,160
Speaker 2: that the connections that are being made and the metaphors

1622
01:30:28,200 --> 01:30:30,439
Speaker 2: that are being discussed in that plant in particular, and

1623
01:30:30,520 --> 01:30:34,720
Speaker 2: this house and this just this again, this confusion and

1624
01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:39,040
Speaker 2: this rage and this anger and this this sadness, and

1625
01:30:39,200 --> 01:30:42,519
Speaker 2: just like the emotional life of this family is rooted

1626
01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:47,559
Speaker 2: in their inability to thrive, not their desire to thrive,

1627
01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:50,840
Speaker 2: because they all want to. It's the inability to thrive

1628
01:30:50,920 --> 01:30:54,040
Speaker 2: because of the country they live in. And I just

1629
01:30:54,280 --> 01:30:56,120
Speaker 2: I can't every time I watch this movie, I can't

1630
01:30:56,120 --> 01:30:59,639
Speaker 2: get over how tense it is, and like my stomach hurts,

1631
01:30:59,680 --> 01:31:03,680
Speaker 2: and like I'm just so affected by these performances. And

1632
01:31:03,800 --> 01:31:06,320
Speaker 2: I think it's an absolute masterpiece. I think the play

1633
01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:08,800
Speaker 2: is a masterpiece. I think the film is a masterpiece,

1634
01:31:10,240 --> 01:31:11,920
Speaker 2: and I think it's worthwhile for everyone to give it,

1635
01:31:12,240 --> 01:31:13,760
Speaker 2: give it a look or give it a read.

1636
01:31:15,120 --> 01:31:19,639
Speaker 1: Could not agree more. Just that's it. Couldn't agree more.

1637
01:31:19,680 --> 01:31:22,759
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like such an important piece of history,

1638
01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:29,600
Speaker 1: and it's you know, one of Sydney's best performances, like

1639
01:31:30,560 --> 01:31:35,920
Speaker 1: his emotions in some of these scenes because he was

1640
01:31:35,960 --> 01:31:37,479
Speaker 1: in the original play, wasn't he too?

1641
01:31:37,720 --> 01:31:37,920
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1642
01:31:38,040 --> 01:31:40,320
Speaker 1: Him and Ruby d Yeah, so like I couldn't. I

1643
01:31:40,479 --> 01:31:42,800
Speaker 1: can't even imagine what it must have been like to

1644
01:31:42,800 --> 01:31:47,760
Speaker 1: see it lives, I know, and in the movie, like

1645
01:31:48,160 --> 01:31:52,240
Speaker 1: it's so intense, like he's in many parts of the

1646
01:31:52,320 --> 01:31:53,920
Speaker 1: film he's just very anguished and.

1647
01:31:55,920 --> 01:31:56,760
Speaker 2: He's incredible.

1648
01:31:56,960 --> 01:31:59,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm so glad that you picked. And I

1649
01:31:59,720 --> 01:32:03,400
Speaker 1: haven't seen it in a long time. Like I said,

1650
01:32:03,439 --> 01:32:05,880
Speaker 1: I wish, i'd I wish I would like to see

1651
01:32:06,600 --> 01:32:07,960
Speaker 1: I would like to see the play again.

1652
01:32:08,640 --> 01:32:10,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I would too.

1653
01:32:10,560 --> 01:32:13,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got to figure out when that had, when

1654
01:32:13,160 --> 01:32:15,360
Speaker 1: that will happen, and if it does happen, I want

1655
01:32:15,400 --> 01:32:15,519
Speaker 1: to go.

1656
01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:17,960
Speaker 2: But you know, it would be great as if it

1657
01:32:18,120 --> 01:32:21,719
Speaker 2: was in London, then we could two birds one piece

1658
01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:22,080
Speaker 2: of bread.

1659
01:32:22,920 --> 01:32:26,599
Speaker 1: Listen, I'm if that's my first, my first like an

1660
01:32:26,640 --> 01:32:28,479
Speaker 1: excuse for my first trip to London.

1661
01:32:28,640 --> 01:32:29,120
Speaker 2: Let's do it.

1662
01:32:29,240 --> 01:32:32,080
Speaker 1: I'm ready. That would be such a great, a great

1663
01:32:32,120 --> 01:32:32,600
Speaker 1: reason to go.

1664
01:32:33,400 --> 01:32:35,400
Speaker 2: Somebody produced raising on the side of the West End.

1665
01:32:35,640 --> 01:32:37,960
Speaker 2: Immediately do it.

1666
01:32:39,360 --> 01:32:44,720
Speaker 1: Well, listen, Danielle. I think this episode was I mean,

1667
01:32:45,479 --> 01:32:48,120
Speaker 1: I know the beginning we had to air some of

1668
01:32:48,200 --> 01:32:52,600
Speaker 1: our own personal thoughts about things. But it was a

1669
01:32:52,720 --> 01:32:55,599
Speaker 1: great episode because I get to see these two movies together.

1670
01:32:55,720 --> 01:32:58,759
Speaker 1: You got to we got to talk about Sidney Poitier.

1671
01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:02,320
Speaker 1: It was just like such an incredible talent. And yeah,

1672
01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:05,120
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it was just a fun double

1673
01:33:05,160 --> 01:33:05,880
Speaker 1: feature to watch.

1674
01:33:06,479 --> 01:33:07,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is this is a great This is a

1675
01:33:07,920 --> 01:33:09,960
Speaker 2: great double feature. If you're looking for a real good one,

1676
01:33:12,040 --> 01:33:14,040
Speaker 2: I would say, dig in, watch it back to back.

1677
01:33:14,360 --> 01:33:14,840
Speaker 2: It's worth it.

1678
01:33:15,800 --> 01:33:21,040
Speaker 1: Well, look, you want to announce the movies for next episode?

1679
01:33:21,560 --> 01:33:25,080
Speaker 2: Oh hell yeah. Uh. Our movies for the next episode

1680
01:33:26,720 --> 01:33:30,840
Speaker 2: will be a broadcast News from nineteen eighty seven and

1681
01:33:31,479 --> 01:33:34,559
Speaker 2: Leon Morin Priest from nineteen sixty one.

1682
01:33:35,880 --> 01:33:37,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you right now, y'all ain't gonna get

1683
01:33:37,479 --> 01:33:41,880
Speaker 1: it like it's you. I mean, you might if you're

1684
01:33:41,880 --> 01:33:44,200
Speaker 1: a real smart cookie, but I don't think they're gonna

1685
01:33:44,240 --> 01:33:44,439
Speaker 1: get it.

1686
01:33:45,000 --> 01:33:50,320
Speaker 2: I will be absolutely fucking shocked if anyone guesses this thing.

1687
01:33:53,280 --> 01:33:55,720
Speaker 2: I love this actual aneurism. If somebody guesses this.

1688
01:33:59,000 --> 01:34:02,240
Speaker 1: I'm holding you to that. No, I'm kidding. I h yeah.

1689
01:34:02,720 --> 01:34:04,439
Speaker 1: But listen. If you want to take a stab at

1690
01:34:04,520 --> 01:34:09,840
Speaker 1: the theme, if you just want to email us respectfully,

1691
01:34:10,680 --> 01:34:13,080
Speaker 1: please do so at I saw what you did pot

1692
01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:17,360
Speaker 1: at gmail dot com. Listen. Bonus episodes have been a

1693
01:34:17,439 --> 01:34:22,360
Speaker 1: lot of fun oh yeah, stories about movie experiences. But honestly,

1694
01:34:22,520 --> 01:34:24,280
Speaker 1: like we've been getting a lot of like real fun

1695
01:34:24,360 --> 01:34:26,439
Speaker 1: ones like what we are doing over and over, like

1696
01:34:26,520 --> 01:34:30,160
Speaker 1: fuck Mary Kills. If you have any kind of like

1697
01:34:31,080 --> 01:34:37,640
Speaker 1: alternate oscar what was it an alternate oscar category questions,

1698
01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:38,759
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff.

1699
01:34:39,160 --> 01:34:41,479
Speaker 2: We love it. We love it. It's so good. Yeah,

1700
01:34:41,520 --> 01:34:44,560
Speaker 2: there was a If you listen to the last Bonus episode,

1701
01:34:45,000 --> 01:34:48,640
Speaker 2: you'll understand that we had a We had an an

1702
01:34:48,760 --> 01:34:51,960
Speaker 2: email from a listener named Stephanie, who she and her

1703
01:34:52,040 --> 01:34:55,519
Speaker 2: husband come up with in order they think that in

1704
01:34:55,640 --> 01:34:58,280
Speaker 2: order to revitalize the oscars, there should be some niche

1705
01:34:58,320 --> 01:35:02,000
Speaker 2: categories added, and so we read the letter. She asked

1706
01:35:02,080 --> 01:35:03,880
Speaker 2: us some questions about what we would add and who

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Speaker 2: would get our Creep Lifetime Achievement Award. That was one

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Speaker 2: of the categories they came up with. So Stephanie's a

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Speaker 2: legend already and definitely send us anything like that. We

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Speaker 2: love it. We love it.

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Speaker 1: On that note, Danielle, it's always a fucking pleasure to

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Speaker 1: this podcast with.

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Speaker 2: You, always, always, always, truly the highlight of my life

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Speaker 2: and my week. And I just especially loved this episode

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Speaker 2: and thank you again so much for being a wonderful friend.

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Speaker 1: I love hearing that. But it's so easy to be

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Speaker 1: your friend. Bye, everybody, Bye.

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Speaker 2: This has been an exactly right production. Produced and mixed

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Speaker 2: by Casey O'Brien. Our theme song is by Tom bry Fogel,

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Speaker 2: artwork by Garrett Ross. Our executive producers are Georgia Hartstart, Karenkile,

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Speaker 2: Gareth and Daniel Kramer. You can follow us on Instagram

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Speaker 2: and Twitter at I Saw pod, and you can email

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Speaker 2: us at I Saw What You Did Pod at gmail