1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: Welcome to Worst Year Ever, a production of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: Somewhere around midnight in the minutes separating December six and 3 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: December seventh, two thousand fourteen, an unknown person set off 4 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: a chlorine gas bomb at Bidwest FurFest, the largest furry 5 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: convention in the United States. Nineteen people were hospitalized. The 6 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: event could properly be described as a terrorist attack. Folks 7 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 1: could very well have been killed. The story was met 8 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,319 Speaker 1: with a mix of shock and ironic chuckles from tens 9 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: of thousands of Internet users. People gocked for a day 10 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: or so, and then it faded into the background. The 11 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: case was never solved, and the culprit is at large today. 12 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: In September of two thousand nineteen, almost five years later, 13 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 1: basically a Nazi meal ou Uinopolis registered to attend Midwest FurFest. 14 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: He publicized this immediately in The event was a clear 15 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: attempt by a well known troll to earn a few 16 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: more precious hours of media spotlight by entangling himself in 17 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: drama with a community mainstream journalists loved to cover with 18 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: rye grins on their faces. Convention organizers immediately rejected his 19 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: application to attend and banned him from the premises. He 20 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: threatened to show up anyway. Rumors began to circulate that 21 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 1: the Proud Boys would be in tow, which led to 22 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 1: rumors that Antifa, or perhaps furry Antifa, would also be 23 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: in attendance. Somewhere in the middle of all this, the 24 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: cast of Worst Year Ever decided Midwest FurFest was probably 25 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: something we should attend, so we did myself, Robert Evans 26 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 1: and my colleagues Cody Johnston and Katie Stole. We talked 27 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 1: to several members of the fandom, and their interviews revealed 28 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 1: a sprawling tale of a battle for the heart and 29 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 1: soul of furreedom against many of the same forces currently 30 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: threatening to terror American society. Apart, this episode is not 31 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 1: the story of that battle, because holy ship, we really, 32 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: we really bit off more than we we bargained for, 33 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: and it's going to take us some time to get 34 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: this together and force Daniel at Machete Point to edit it. 35 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:46,919 Speaker 1: But we put a little something together for you today 36 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: to tide everybody over. That's right. Uh. As we've been 37 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: going through this, we've been recording our thoughts and our experiences. 38 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: It's a little bit of a peek behind the curtain 39 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: as to what's been happening here this weekend. If you 40 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: follow us on Twitter, you've seen some posts about it. 41 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: But you know, we we talked about our impressions and 42 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 1: some the stuff that we've learned, uh, and our experiences here. Yes, 43 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: as you said, while we pour through all of the 44 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 1: interviews and documents and chatlogs that we have and and 45 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: put together the final polished piece, which will be released 46 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: at a later date. Yeah, hopefully in like a couple 47 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: of weeks, not too long from now. We just want 48 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: to make it, you know, good good. There was a 49 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 1: point sometime yesterday where I was like, oh, this is 50 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 1: going to take a little longer. It really came together, um, 51 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:43,119 Speaker 1: and everything became clear on what was going on, and uh, 52 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: the story revealed itself and uh, it's a very interesting 53 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: story that I think is relevant to everybody, and uh, 54 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: we're excited to tell it. But in the meantime, here's 55 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 1: our experience in Chicago, and it's not This is not 56 00:02:57,919 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: very political. This is not a normal episode of words. 57 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: You're ever you're not going to learn much about American 58 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 1: politics from this. I think we think it's it's fun. 59 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: There's some funny moments if you if you enjoy us 60 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: as people you might enjoy this. We mainly wanted to 61 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: have something together just so there wasn't an empty space 62 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: this week and to let everybody know we did the thing. 63 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: We got a story. It's going to be a sizeable 64 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: like little mini series. Um, and we just you know, 65 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: it's going to take us little time to be and 66 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 1: hopefully this little diary that we've done will give you 67 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:31,239 Speaker 1: some contexts to keep in mind as you are listening 68 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: to the other episodes. Yeah, it's also I think this 69 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: will be probably the first episode that is the best 70 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: example of the show that exists so far, but not 71 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: so the actual thing we're putting together that isn't done now. Yeah, 72 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: so don't be put off by this specifically, isn't your 73 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: taste when we pitched this show, Like you know, we've 74 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: been doing you know, biographies of the different candidates, and 75 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: we've done some specific issues and we'll we'll do more 76 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: of that because this is a weekly show and we 77 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: can't go travel around the country every single week. We're 78 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: not aware of enough different places to go to do 79 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: that fifty something times next year. Um, so you know, 80 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: we need we need to provide context. We have a 81 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: base of episodes for people to listen to. Part of 82 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: this is just us keeping ourselves informed, but the real, 83 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: the heart and soul of the show's explorations of different 84 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:22,160 Speaker 1: American subcultures and how this election and the increased politicization 85 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 1: of our society has like affected and changed them, and 86 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,799 Speaker 1: like this is the first example of that. How they react, 87 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 1: how how they deal with it, maybe bits of information 88 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: or tactics or just like nice little moments that can 89 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 1: help you get you through the worst year ever. Yeah, yep, 90 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 1: So enjoy this fun little interlude that's not too serious 91 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 1: today or not. The final part it will be very different. 92 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: But please definitely come back for the next two episodes 93 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: because I promise they are fascinating. Yeah. Yeah, and these 94 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: are and this one's fun. This one's fun. Those are fascinating. Yeah, 95 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: we didn't get any audio of fires that were starting. 96 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 1: There were fires. There were fires. Okay, you guys are 97 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: just ruining the surprise boilers, everything so down down do 98 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: I don't know how to introduce this episode of the podcast. 99 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: You will not This will not be the first thing 100 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 1: I've heard in this episode. Probably not. Yeah, We're we're 101 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: at Midwest for Fest nineteen December that's the month, the year. 102 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 1: What day? Well, you know what day is? Friday? Thursday, 103 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: the only summer day in December as far as i'm only, 104 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: it's got to be the fifth or six. Maybe it's sixth, 105 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: fifth earlier. But we were traveling here. As you might 106 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: be able to tell, this is our our first audio 107 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: irie from our trip to convention, our first UH field 108 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 1: trip of the season. We're all drunk, we're all tired, 109 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: we're all angry. Katie lost her phone. I loved it. 110 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: There are we taking care of it? Customers services hung 111 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: up on Robert. It's been a home bad. Thankfully we 112 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: got home and I was able to turn all the 113 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 1: burners on the stove repeatedly. You know what the worst 114 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: part is as I can't even check our steps to 115 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 1: see him, which we walked back and forth around that, 116 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: because I feel like we should start with um kind 117 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: of our initial impressions on the convention. Um. Yeah, I felt. 118 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: Walking out of the of the lift that took us there, 119 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: I saw more people in first suits than I had 120 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 1: ever seen prior in my life. Ever, like this second, 121 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 1: it was like, oh, this is the world now. What 122 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: surprising how quickly I became used to it. You just 123 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: see him, yeah, and I was like, oh that's a 124 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: nice one. Oh interesting, yeah, and then it becomes like, 125 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: oh yeah, oh it's a bird with a yeah. My 126 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: favorite was the woman walking down the hallway, that walkway 127 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: that we kept getting very long, what's up with that? Um? 128 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: And she just was going she was lovely. Everybody's so lovely, 129 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: everybody very I was stopped by so many people just 130 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: like it, just interacted with so many people in a 131 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: friendly way that you do not see at most conventions certainly, 132 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: but like certainly not just around town in your life. Yeah, 133 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: it was. It seems like generally just a very sweet 134 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:47,559 Speaker 1: group of people who are there to have a fun 135 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: time and uh, just a bunch of positivity, you know. 136 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: So I think with that all in mind, I want 137 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: to go through. UM. So obviously like the big news 138 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: heading into Midwest for a fest. The reason we're here, 139 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: the reason it was any kind of attention outside of 140 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: the community on this is that Milo Janopolis, famous Nazi, 141 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: famous Nazi. Yeah he's he's he's on video, Hile Hitler Nazi. 142 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: Um he is. He has chosen to display himself as such. 143 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: I don't think he actually believes in anything. Yeah, it's 144 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: hard to say. He registered for the convention and then 145 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,679 Speaker 1: publicized that he registered for the convention so that everybody 146 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: would talk about it. And then when he got kicked 147 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: out of the convention because they people who organize it 148 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: were like, you don't need as not under no circumstances, 149 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 1: he uh made a big stink about it and is 150 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: apparently registered under someone else's name at the hotel and 151 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: promising to show up, So we don't know what will happen. 152 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: And to be very he could show up in a 153 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 1: furry costume, so I don't believe that they're called costumes. 154 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: It does sound like no one would care if he 155 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: just showed up in cost him because like, what's that 156 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: even going to do? Would what would the issue be? Um? 157 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: But it doesn't seem like his vibe not to show 158 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: up here and not show up in a big Yeah, 159 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: I take it back, I said earlier. Doesn't believe anything, 160 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: but he does. He believes in getting Aman. Yeah, he 161 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:16,959 Speaker 1: believes in Showman losing himself kind of even though it 162 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,719 Speaker 1: probably hates himself too. But yeah, and it's there's a 163 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: couple of interesting things. So one of the people that 164 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: we communicated with prior to this, Um has been infiltrating 165 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 1: some of the There's a couple of chunks of the 166 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: furry community, which I'm sure we'll have covered in like 167 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 1: a little bit of an intro at some point due diligence. 168 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: The alp furs is the term people tend to use 169 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: for them, and Um, they've been talking with him about 170 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: like ways to smuggle him into the convention and stuff. 171 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: And one of the things they talk about is that 172 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: how the impossibility of keeping the culture of the convention 173 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: the same and actually stopping him from getting in even 174 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:56,679 Speaker 1: if he was he was in costume. So I want 175 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:00,040 Speaker 1: to read a quote from one of these conversations be 176 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: found between these alt furs who support Milo talking about 177 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: what would happen if he were came in and a 178 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: costume and they tried to search people by having them 179 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 1: remove the head beasts of their costumes. UM. I don't 180 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 1: know if Milo realizes just how important this dynamic is 181 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: to fur suitors, but it would it will work strongly 182 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 1: in his favor, even if he doesn't fully realize why 183 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 1: some suitors are so into their character that it would 184 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: be tantamount to violating their identity to ask them to 185 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: remove their head. The transgender suitors would be a good 186 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 1: example of this. So like there's this this understanding with 187 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: the people who are like urging this that it would 188 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 1: be like a violation. Someone called it a real life 189 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 1: version of papers Please and another comma to respond to that, 190 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 1: and it will totally feel that way to every fur 191 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: who get stopped by Constaff for a random spot check. 192 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 1: The move to check everyone would completely destroy that con 193 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: like completely, So I'm under the assumption that they won't 194 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: take those dramatic steps. They'll have to accept that someone's 195 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: crashing the party and deal with the back list that 196 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: they'll get from the shitty eight percent of the fandom. 197 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 1: There's this acknowledgement that like they can't stop us or 198 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 1: they'll destroy the hobby. And there's a post from Milo 199 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: from a couple of days earlier on telegram where he says, 200 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 1: you have to destroy the ship they love. You have 201 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 1: to get MFF this convention, Midwest FurFest and all the 202 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: other conferences closed down every period, single period, year period. 203 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: So there's this understanding like they know exactly like what 204 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: they're they're hoping to do um, which is like there 205 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: was a part of it that was we talked to 206 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 1: a number of people, and we got some reactions from 207 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: folks who are mainly and like I don't care if 208 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: they're here as long as they don't Right, there's a 209 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: vibe here that is just sort of joyous and fun 210 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: and lighthearted, like they're there to have fun. They're not 211 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 1: there to do political things, the stuff that Milo wants 212 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: to do, and specifically talk about how this is an 213 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: escape from political and it's like and if he's going 214 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: to show up, they say they feel the safety of 215 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: their numbers. I think of the fact that like there's 216 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: ten thousand people that attend this convention and whatever the 217 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:05,079 Speaker 1: number one and so, but you know, and and we 218 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:09,679 Speaker 1: talked a lot about how you know, they they're very 219 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:12,839 Speaker 1: protective of their community and not accepting these people that 220 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 1: are the outliers that are the you know yeah, um, 221 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 1: And it's it's interesting that that's the target, like just 222 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 1: the little time we've spent of just like but these 223 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:27,839 Speaker 1: people are very they're only here for a nice time, 224 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: and they all seem sweet and like they don't even 225 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: want to talk about the stuff that you talk about, 226 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: like all the Milo stuff, like when like his feminism stuff, 227 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: and it's like all is like white nationalism garbage that 228 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: he tries to bring in. They don't care and don't 229 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: want to talk about it. That's not why they're here, 230 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 1: and he's like forcing it in a way that is 231 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 1: just really emblematic of like who he is and what 232 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: he's there to do. Um, because he sort of disappeared 233 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: for a while for many many reasons. But knowing that 234 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 1: like is ramping up, like he needs attention, he needs 235 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 1: to disrupt people having a good time, some of who 236 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 1: might give him what he wants, which is like to 237 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: piss people off and make a scene, right, because like 238 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: even the the idea of going in and having to 239 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 1: remove his head to like prove that it's him that's 240 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: going to cause a ruckus and a problem and that's 241 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: the only reason he wants to do it. Yeah, and 242 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: it's um. You know. One of the other things they 243 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: ran into in that chat was people talking about, like 244 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: there was someone who made a post saying I want 245 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: to have a sweater custom printed that says Nazi fers, 246 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: don't fucking worry about it, just have a good time 247 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:40,959 Speaker 1: and stay safe. Um, But I knew I'd just be 248 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 1: asking for trouble. So someone who wanted to make like 249 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 1: a sure explicitly saying like I don't care if you're not, 250 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: and someone else commented that like, oh yeah, there were 251 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 1: no politics, just fun ribbons printed out earlier and they 252 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: went over poorly. Um, and the way they're framing it 253 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: is like it's because these these leftists want to make 254 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: everything political. But like, I think both what we saw 255 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:04,079 Speaker 1: tonight and like kind of what you can read between 256 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: the lions, there's like, no, no, you're the ones trying 257 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: to make things political, like you're you're you're like by 258 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: by framing it around Nazis and you're making it very 259 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: clear like they don't care what you believe. If you 260 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: don't make it clear, I am a Nazi and I'm 261 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: going to be here. You've made it political. Right as 262 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: soon as you uh, you're wearing a your fersna and 263 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: it's a wolf or whatever, a tiger with a fucking 264 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: swast that immediately well that's a political thing. You're you're 265 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: doing it right, You're not doing it. Yeah, it's inherently political. 266 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: You're making it political. You're entering a non political space. 267 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: Stickers and those slogans like yeah, they would be cool 268 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: with that because that's what they think. They don't they agree, 269 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 1: and that there was there was kind of like, you know, 270 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: I read through so many fucking posts of these fucking assholes, um, 271 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: and like a third of them will be like normal 272 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: you know, furry stuff where they're like, look at this 273 00:14:58,240 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: is a cute drawing of or whatever. This is a 274 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: a fun you know, animation of a you know, animal thing. 275 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: They have a bunch of different terms. I don't I 276 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: don't understand all that, but it's like I assume pretty 277 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: normal furry stuff. It seems innocuous. And then there will 278 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: be like like there was a drawing of this Buddhist 279 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: monk who's the head of an anti Muslim terrorist group, 280 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: and someone drew his first sona and they were like, 281 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 1: look at how cool this is. Like this guy really 282 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: removes some kebab which is like an anti Muslim meme 283 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: that was like painted on the Christus shooters and stuff too, 284 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: and it's like, um and and like my Loo commented 285 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: on a lot of this stuff, and he liked a 286 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: lot of the hardcore right wing stuff, but he also 287 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: liked a lot of the innocuous stuff. And there was 288 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: these conversations we would have with people tonight where they 289 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: were like, yeah, maybe he maybe, Like if he enjoys 290 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 1: himself and he just wants to participate, none of us care. 291 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: But it's like he doesn't because his whole thing he 292 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: has to make it political because if things aren't political, 293 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: they can't be controversial. And if the yeah, exactly making 294 00:15:56,480 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: a thing about it, then he doesn't care. But I do, like, Yeah, 295 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: show up with your outfit, have a good time. Nobody 296 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: know it's you. I bet you have a nice time 297 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: because everyone's really really nice. But conversely, I don't think 298 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: you'd have a nice time because no one would know him, 299 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: because no one would know exactly. That's this whole thing. Yeah, Um, 300 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: it's very it's very interesting, weird dynamic that like part 301 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: of me is like I don't even want to talk 302 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: about him now and even talk about we're here, but 303 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: we're here and everyone's so nice. Uh, and maybe nice 304 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: will happen and that'll be great. It's it's it's a 305 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: free wine, Katie. It had to happen. I will continue 306 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: to turn off bad for the environment, Katie. To have 307 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: them on, yes, no, to have them off interesting, you 308 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: have to burn up all of the natural gas so 309 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: that we can get off of using natural gas. That's 310 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: how it works. Honestly, I think I agree with both 311 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: sides here in Both sides have good points interest, so 312 00:16:55,360 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: we're going to keep the burners on. Medium says that 313 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: I can go into my app. The best way to 314 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: contact him would be to go into the app, I 315 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 1: swear to these people and pull down menu and then 316 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 1: you can call him. I don't love that we came 317 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 1: here planning to talk about Nazis and the real pet 318 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:23,880 Speaker 1: guys are left. Just use the app, download the app 319 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: onto the table. Wild like, because if you want to 320 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: go all right, we're not talking about the FurFest anymore. 321 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,719 Speaker 1: If you want if you lose your phone and you 322 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 1: want to go onto the website lift dot com to 323 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:38,239 Speaker 1: report that you've lost your phone. In the Lift, you 324 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: have to put in your phone number to log in, 325 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:42,880 Speaker 1: and when you put in your phone number, they say, 326 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: we've sent you a text with a confirmation number that 327 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: you have to put in the website. But you can't 328 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: put in that confirmation number because you don't have your phone. 329 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:55,199 Speaker 1: I'm very well aware. It's wild like. It's like they 330 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: did it on purpose. They know they know what they're 331 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: doing to collect they're trying to get attention. Much like 332 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: they want attention, they want to get a rise out 333 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 1: of you. They're trying to piss you off. I actually 334 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 1: think so here's here's why we're angrier about Left than 335 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: we are even about mel Leianopolis and his attempt to 336 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 1: disrupt these these lovely people just trying to have a 337 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: fun week, just wonderful people. Uh. And it's because as 338 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 1: hateful as Milo's intentions are, at least he has intentions, 339 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 1: and Lift just doesn't care what They just don't care. 340 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 1: And that's more. In curious Twitter, people got back to 341 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: blah blah blah. Looks like you're already in touch with 342 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: Lost and Found team over emails, best resource to look 343 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: into arranging the return of your known arranging. It sounds 344 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,640 Speaker 1: like a hostage. It is a hostage situation. They're holding 345 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: a hostage for fifteen dollars. It was when we started 346 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: this process I realized it immediately me. So their solution 347 00:18:56,119 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 1: is there, the original But they said, we can see 348 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 1: they are currently reaching out a conrad. He's been given 349 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 1: your friends phone number. Do you guys have your phone? 350 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 1: They did something, so that asshole is just ignoring it either, 351 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 1: do that or they're lying, or they're lying right. Either way, 352 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 1: I'm probably buying myself the new phone. Stay tuned to 353 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: hear more in the next episode of whatever the Hell 354 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 1: of Us winds up becomingly is the worst year ever. Now, 355 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 1: now before we go, predictions for tomorrow, I'm going to 356 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 1: buy a phone, Cody. Um, I think it's gonna be fine. Actually, um, 357 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: I uh, I don't think if he's here, I think 358 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 1: he's I just think he's I just I don't think 359 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: he has it in them. I I kind of you know, 360 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: there was a fact part of me that was like 361 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:49,640 Speaker 1: frustrated not hearing more anger from people tonight. And there's 362 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: a part of me that's like, maybe the best defeat 363 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,239 Speaker 1: he could get is if he shows up and a 364 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 1: bunch of really friendly fairies are like, all right, if 365 00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: you're a dick, we'll make you leave. That's the That's 366 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: the the thing about it. We're like talking to people 367 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: today and listening to them. That's the only vibe I 368 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 1: got the like from everybody's like, yeah, if he wants 369 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: to show up and have fun, that's why we're here. 370 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 1: We're here to have a good time with everybody. And 371 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: like we're not going to buy into what every question 372 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,880 Speaker 1: like wearing a mask, who gives a ship? And then 373 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: and they're also aware that like he wants attention, he 374 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: wants us to get mad. His whole thing is to 375 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: like poke you with stuff he doesn't believe in order 376 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 1: to get a rise out of you. So people center 377 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 1: and so forth. And I think that enough people are 378 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: onto him and don't care. That's the and that's the thing. 379 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: The laughter and not caring is like the worst thing 380 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: you can do to these people. I hope that the 381 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 1: ultimate like final, you know, defanging of what's left of 382 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 1: me Loiannopolis is done by a bunch of furries who 383 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: are just too nice to rise to his bait. You know, 384 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 1: I think that's really possible. Like this is like a 385 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 1: real uttering and his it's not it's not an inspiring one. 386 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:08,120 Speaker 1: It's just but it is inspiring to me. Just spen 387 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 1: it positive um that general attitude there and in the 388 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: positivity that I did feel in this community, And I 389 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 1: think there's a lot we can learn from that. Yeah, 390 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: it's really cool. And like he's just he has sputtered 391 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: for a long time. He's floundered. He's like he's he's 392 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: he's got some issues. He has some problems, um and uh. 393 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: He loves his extravagant seeming lifestyle, and it does seem 394 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: like his last grasp and relevance is to go to 395 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 1: a group of people who are only here for a 396 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: really nice time and to make them mad. And I 397 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: don't think he will be able to do that. Fingers crossed, 398 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 1: fingers crossed, fingers crossed. Well, we'll check back in tomorrow. 399 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 1: Pody Johnston, Robert Evans, Katie stolen here, probably new phone. Alright, bye, 400 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: Well get everything so down, down down, so we're back. 401 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: We're not. I mean, this is the second day of 402 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,120 Speaker 1: our diary. We just recorded a great thing content you'll 403 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 1: never hear because Katie fucked up. We opened the last one, 404 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: the good one, with a with a freestyle rap by 405 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: Cody that was I think perfect. It was, And I 406 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 1: think the only possible way for you to show your 407 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: your contrition, Katie, is for you to open this worst 408 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 1: audio diary with a freestyle rap. Could would you lay 409 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 1: a beat down? That's the time machine, Joyce. You have 410 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 1: to stop it. Look, I'm really really sorry. I don't 411 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 1: know what happened. I thought I was recording and it 412 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: turns out I wasn't. So now I'm wrapping. I hate it. 413 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,400 Speaker 1: I don't want to be doing it either, But here 414 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 1: we go. We're going to talk about something we picked 415 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: up in the ether of for contest? Is that Okay, no, 416 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: it's perfect time, right. You read it. You read it 417 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 1: last week, She's been practicing it. I think I just 418 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,400 Speaker 1: discovered a hidden talent, turned down thousands of dollars worth 419 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,919 Speaker 1: of I swear to God it was recording. And maybe 420 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: I'm wrong because I don't believe in God, but I 421 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: thought it was. And now here we are thinking of 422 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: hidden talents, hidden talents, birds, animals for fest failed it. Yeah, 423 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: I think that's Yeah, that's what we're here to talk about. 424 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: We don't want to talk about my phone that I found. 425 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,880 Speaker 1: I think we have to absolutely have to we do 426 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,919 Speaker 1: because the last episode you slandered a good man repeatedly. 427 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: We all, we all, we all did we all mediate 428 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: the attacked the Yes, I just ruined the story. But 429 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,640 Speaker 1: I was really upset. I was gonna, you know, chill 430 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 1: out for a second, and I said, and all of 431 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: a sudden, I was like, well, why don't we go 432 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: check the ground where we got out of the car. 433 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 1: So the boys went down and found the boy. We're 434 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: going to get to that my The boys went down 435 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: and found my phone in the middle of the road. 436 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,120 Speaker 1: In the middle of the road, saw it from very 437 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: far away. It took no time at all. If we 438 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: had spent four seconds in extra after realizing you didn't 439 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,640 Speaker 1: have your phone looking around on the ground and most 440 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: most most we would have found it instead of resignedly 441 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 1: being like, well, I got to go inside and try 442 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: to figure this out, because who would have thought that 443 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:54,439 Speaker 1: it was on the ground outside the car? So okay, 444 00:24:54,680 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: I apologize. The point still stands lifts policy because if 445 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 1: you had lost your phone, and if it was not 446 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: on the ground, just calling to I still wouldn't have 447 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 1: It was still would have been really really hard. You 448 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 1: still would have had to log into the website by 449 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 1: giving your phone number and receiving a tax on a 450 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 1: phone on the website. On the website, and we are 451 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: going to get to for fest, I promise you. But 452 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 1: on the website when I'm trying to track down my phone, 453 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: it says the best way to get your phone back 454 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 1: is to open the app and find the driver's profile 455 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 1: and contact the driver. I don't have the phone to 456 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:32,120 Speaker 1: do that anyway. The boys are blameless in that except 457 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 1: that it's no you can They're blameless. You're blameless, You 458 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 1: have no responsibility. I take the responsibility what you do 459 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: have responsibility for and honestly both of you, because shame 460 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 1: on you. Cody um Robert almost burned down, almost down. 461 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 1: Propert turns on keeps turning on all the burghers on 462 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 1: full blast in the kitchen and landing paper towels on fire, 463 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 1: and when he and Cody go down to find my phone, 464 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: he brings a burning paper towel out with him and 465 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: is surprised when they catch on fire all the way 466 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: and burn his hand, and he drops it on the 467 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,640 Speaker 1: wooden stairs in that house, walking downstairs, saying, I don't 468 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: think I'm gonna make it. You're gonna make it modest. 469 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: The instant I made the decision to walk down the 470 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,160 Speaker 1: stairs with you, I knew I wasn't gonna be Yeah, 471 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 1: it was very holding fire. You are full of blame 472 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 1: for allowing this day. It's really mostly his faulty picked 473 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: up your phone from the ground and I handed it 474 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:39,160 Speaker 1: to you, and I stomped on the embers that were 475 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: on the rug of the stairs after Robert brought fire outside. 476 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: Very little damn. Also very little damn. I don't know 477 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 1: if you recall all of the fire alarms going off, 478 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: smoke detective that was. That was a different thing. It 479 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: was a different fire you lit. It was also a 480 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 1: paper towel. No, no, no, I put a box of 481 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: cereal on top of the burner, So completely different situation. 482 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: I just want you all to be comforted and know 483 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 1: that we are conducting ourselves with the utmost professionalism. Everything 484 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 1: I've done, losing the phone, starting several fires, drinking very heavily, 485 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 1: all of that we pulled right out of NPR style 486 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: Boodlines handbook. Yes, everything to the book. What's an NPR person? Glass? 487 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 1: Ira Glass told us to Terry Grows can't stop starting fires? 488 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: She burned out Chicago did not know that? Wonderful for her? 489 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 1: Oh she does, she does. Um, shall we talk about 490 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 1: fest Yeah? We probably. That's what we're here. We did 491 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 1: it on the first recording we tried, so I think 492 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 1: we should do it now. Yeah, we're doing It's the 493 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: reason we're doing this that we thing that we don't 494 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,400 Speaker 1: know what we'll do with it. Um it was good. 495 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: I like, I liked I liked all the people we met. Um, 496 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 1: you know, I'd be interested Katie and kind of hearing 497 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: you sort of summarize our day and then we can 498 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,920 Speaker 1: kind of dig into things with a little more detail. Yes, 499 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 1: please please don't go. Maybe sometimes we are talking about 500 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: the best. Well, we got up and made coffee. It 501 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: took us a while to get out the house. Uh, 502 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:30,880 Speaker 1: not bad. We went to can you stop? Unacceptable? Both 503 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 1: of you. You're you're impossible. We're Sophie when you need her. 504 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 1: She really keeps this train on track, um and on fire. 505 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 1: She would not have stance helped me light them? Oh, 506 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:48,959 Speaker 1: Robert um, And then everybody clapped. So we got two 507 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: for fest and we met up with one of your 508 00:28:53,960 --> 00:29:02,719 Speaker 1: Sourcesces had an interview and as guy um, and we 509 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: realized Robert forgotten the recorder. That was an error. That 510 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 1: was a tactical error because the recorder there was a recorder. 511 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 1: We've got two here sitting on the table and there 512 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 1: next to the said Robert, is there a recorder in 513 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 1: that bout? Do we need to put it into? You said, yep, 514 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 1: it's in there, And I said are you sure? Yep? 515 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 1: And it wasn't in there. I have to say, I'm 516 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 1: sorry I threw you under the bus. No, no, no, 517 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 1: that was that was my end, Cody's fault. I take 518 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: full half responsibility. So I do want to say though 519 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 1: they're not identical. Um, there is one of them, and 520 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 1: listeners you can guess which one. Uh. The place where 521 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: the card goes covered in knife marks. That's how Robert opens. 522 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: It has been knife to open many many times over 523 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 1: its career. Anyway, neither of those are in the bag. Uh. 524 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 1: And we hear in this busy hallway you'll hear one 525 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: of these these interviews, I'm sure in the other episode 526 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 1: of this. Uh. And we don't have recorders, so we 527 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 1: use Robert's iPhone and we're like crouched weird I'm sorry, 528 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: Robert's phone Galaxy right phone, and we're like, we're crouched 529 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: over these weird packing boxes recording. And it was a 530 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 1: fascinating interview. Uh, just about constantly being interrupted by people 531 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: walking down, weirding things, big loud music going on and 532 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 1: off in the dance room. Yeah, there was a thumping part. 533 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 1: There was clearly a range that started above. So we 534 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 1: did our best, but it was a fascinating interview. Um, 535 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 1: what did she talk about in brief, what did she 536 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 1: talk about? What we talked a lot about the all 537 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 1: right furry community or that faction UM about the the 538 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 1: gas the attack from the community has risen to kind 539 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 1: of defend itself, and she herself has done a lot 540 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 1: of work, uh it, creating policies and helping weed out 541 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 1: these members of the community. And I think it's a 542 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: little bit of unsung work that a lot of people 543 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 1: don't really know what's happening. UM, but there's a reason 544 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: why they've been able to push back against UM, against 545 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 1: those kinds of elements UM over the last couple of years. 546 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 1: Uh So it was really fascinating. I mean, lots of 547 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 1: other stuff that we talked about UM. And then we 548 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 1: were starving. Well before that, I took a lift all 549 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 1: the way home to get a recorder and registered. We 550 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 1: got our badges, Center badges and Cody's. Well. Shortly after this, 551 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 1: Cody and I, while you were still yeah, I know 552 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 1: it's about to happen, we went to the dealer room 553 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 1: and we picked up this very exciting moment. I can't 554 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 1: so I'm still I'm still buzzing. Cody's very first lanyard 555 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 1: got a lanyard lanyard combined. They're really nice looking. They're 556 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: really very good lane in yourds handmade, beautiful, very nice. 557 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 1: Lady made them. Yeah, I when I when I bought mine, 558 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 1: she was like, this is the one I have, and 559 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 1: then one that I right then, So you know it's good, um, 560 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 1: the first of many. Yeah, we're gonna be You're gonna 561 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 1: be so full of laneyards. You're not gonna know which 562 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 1: directions left, which directions right, because it's just gonna be lanuards. 563 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 1: I still don't have a lanyard, and I'm okay with it. 564 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: You chose not to spend money in a lanyard forage, 565 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 1: kept it in my wallet. I didn't spend dollars or whatever. Okay, 566 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 1: you'll get dozens um for free. So then I met 567 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: up with you guys. Once I got my past, then 568 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 1: we decided to get before you met up with us, 569 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 1: you want to tell the story of the of the mystery. 570 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 1: Just before we were walking in the dealer room and 571 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 1: looking at the products and things. You can get a 572 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 1: lot of a lot of bowls of dice. I'm gonna 573 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 1: guess as as I said earlier, that the Vinn diagram 574 00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 1: of people at the convention and people who play a 575 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: lot of D and D is just the circles, the 576 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 1: circle everybody. Everybody games um, just like everybody poops. And 577 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 1: as we were walking around, we see that the line 578 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 1: that sort of you shuffling along is sort of veering 579 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 1: off to the left. And then you see a woman 580 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 1: on a chair and sort of waving people around and 581 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: then um, something fills your nostrils a little bit and 582 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 1: you're like, well, that's that's unique. That's good, that's a 583 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 1: unique specific smell. Um. And there was just sort of 584 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 1: poop smeared um in a bit of a circle like 585 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 1: skids skids across maybe maybe like five by five ft area. 586 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 1: It was. It was. It was not a huge quantity 587 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 1: of poop, but it was smeared over a white area. Yeah, 588 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 1: it seemed like maybe it happened and then uh, that 589 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 1: person kept going and then another person uh didn't see 590 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 1: it and then noticed it and then they took care 591 00:33:53,800 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 1: and it was it was we're all dog owners, cat owners. Yeah, 592 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 1: it was not an animals. It was not an animal. 593 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 1: Well humans are and it was a human. It was human. 594 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 1: It was distinctly human, no doubt. So that happens so 595 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,839 Speaker 1: that happens. But that was also there was a nonchalance 596 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,800 Speaker 1: about it. Everyone's like okay and moving along. It happened, 597 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 1: and there's no judgment, judgment, a little bit of judgment. 598 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 1: They just they don't problem just it's it's funny because 599 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,239 Speaker 1: it's because I mean, it's poop. I'm going to not 600 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 1: laugh about something everybody does, as we've discussed, because we does, 601 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 1: and it's funny. Um, But there was no judgment. Okay, 602 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 1: especially it's especially funny because like all these people in 603 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,880 Speaker 1: the first suits, there were dogs walking around. But it 604 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 1: was then we decided to go get lunch and lovely timing. Um, 605 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 1: and we walked to this place and it turns out 606 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:56,399 Speaker 1: to be pretty fancy. It's pretty expensive meals. Robert ordered, 607 00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 1: you both ordered drink the fanciest place we have been 608 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 1: collectively roughly a cumulative half of one of our lifetimes. Yes, yeah, uh, 609 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:14,920 Speaker 1: And a funny thing happened. Is this interesting to you guys, 610 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 1: I'll never forget. Let's see if it scans is funny. 611 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 1: But Robert and Cody both ordered the lobster bisque, very fancy, 612 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 1: and it's this place is haiti twity, it's fancy when 613 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,279 Speaker 1: we when we sit down and they don't just give 614 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,959 Speaker 1: us our water, they ask if we want ice water, 615 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:40,759 Speaker 1: perry A or Fiji. Yeah, so that's what we're working with. Um. 616 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 1: But we started walking and they asked for our coats 617 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 1: and we're like, no, thank you, and we got some 618 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 1: looks like they were very disappointed that we were going 619 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,239 Speaker 1: to be dining there. But so Robert's eating, they're eating 620 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,880 Speaker 1: their soup and the major d or whoever, walks up 621 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,759 Speaker 1: and leans over his shoulder and he says, excuse me, sir, 622 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:10,879 Speaker 1: is there something wrong with your soup spoon. Let's be fair. 623 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 1: Is a soup spoon. Every spoon soup spoon? It was. 624 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,600 Speaker 1: It was one of the funniest things. I was so 625 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:22,319 Speaker 1: taken aback asking me that question. This one's fine, the 626 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 1: most passive, aggressive, clearly enjoying im. Somebody like God wrote 627 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,360 Speaker 1: that moment. It just felt like a really it's a 628 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:36,240 Speaker 1: very funny juxtaposition between this community of loving people doing whatever. 629 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 1: And then but the food was delicious, so there's that. 630 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 1: It was good. It didn't like that waiter. That's okay. 631 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:54,160 Speaker 1: I wish in retrospect I had said, yes, there's a 632 00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:58,160 Speaker 1: hole in it. It's very entity, but I know it's there. 633 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 1: I am aware. Oh you should have said, yes, it's filthy. 634 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,719 Speaker 1: Then after that we went back to the convention. We 635 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 1: wandered around a bunch, did a lot of uh of 636 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 1: you know, just interacting and watching, observing. We went to 637 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,640 Speaker 1: the art room, we went to the the arcade room. 638 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:26,520 Speaker 1: UH saw some dungeons and dragons briefly, uh dragons, And 639 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,399 Speaker 1: then we had another interview. We ended up coming back 640 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,320 Speaker 1: and we had a skype interview. So it was a 641 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,480 Speaker 1: very full day. Um, I'm just blown away by this 642 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,440 Speaker 1: community to get back to what we're here to talk about. 643 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,839 Speaker 1: And I've said this before. Uh, just it's just so 644 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:45,280 Speaker 1: loving and welcoming and creative. And the suits are all 645 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,000 Speaker 1: really quite exquisite. I mean when you think about how 646 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,040 Speaker 1: much craftsmanship goes into it, and the more you talk 647 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:56,399 Speaker 1: to people, you realize how deeply personal each suit is 648 00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:01,440 Speaker 1: to them and how their personas are a reflection of themselves. 649 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,399 Speaker 1: That a lot of people say that they don't they 650 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,080 Speaker 1: don't feel like they can be them their full selves 651 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,719 Speaker 1: in their normal life, but here they can be because 652 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 1: the world's garbage, but here they're safe and free, and 653 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,280 Speaker 1: you feel that everywhere you go, it's like a markedly 654 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,760 Speaker 1: different vibe in their versus out in the real world. 655 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,719 Speaker 1: And it was interesting because there's clearly these attempts to 656 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,080 Speaker 1: bring some of that toxicity into the community with the 657 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,040 Speaker 1: you know, there was a chlorine gas attack that you know, 658 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:30,400 Speaker 1: part of what we were doing here was kind of 659 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,239 Speaker 1: investigating because they were We heard initially some different things 660 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,160 Speaker 1: and people said it's probably an accident, some people said 661 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,640 Speaker 1: it was intentional. Some people said it was intentional but 662 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:43,440 Speaker 1: not a terrorist attack. Um. I think our conclusion, without 663 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:47,000 Speaker 1: spoiling the main shows that it was definitely a terrorist attack. 664 00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:49,880 Speaker 1: It was done on purpose. It was done on purpose 665 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 1: by a member of the community who subscribed to fringe 666 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,000 Speaker 1: political beliefs that were not common among the others. And 667 00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,440 Speaker 1: there has been a corresponding effort by people within the 668 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:04,839 Speaker 1: community to defend their fandom from this sort of fringe racist, xenophobic, 669 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:16,040 Speaker 1: hateful Nazis' nail it down, Yeah, um, the Nazis there is, 670 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:22,280 Speaker 1: Um I would I would vote for that beats Nazis. 671 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,120 Speaker 1: Wouldn't that be good? Yeah? Is that how you make 672 00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:30,200 Speaker 1: boiling Nazis? That is how it's Russian? Didn't know it's French. 673 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,759 Speaker 1: They did not make much bully a base. But that's no. 674 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,480 Speaker 1: They made it out of like Nazi bodies. They didn't 675 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:43,480 Speaker 1: kill a lot. That's why it was such a delicacy 676 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,239 Speaker 1: for so long. That's why another group of people had 677 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:51,720 Speaker 1: to make borsched out of Nazis. Um. So yeah, we 678 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:56,879 Speaker 1: we saw like a really resilient community defending itself. Um. 679 00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,680 Speaker 1: And that was that was you know, the interviews re 680 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,200 Speaker 1: that our experience at the convention revealed a lot of 681 00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:08,399 Speaker 1: people getting something very much needed. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that 682 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:14,360 Speaker 1: was the overwhelmingly just the overwhelming positive environment. And for 683 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:16,560 Speaker 1: that and knowing that there are these people sort of 684 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:20,920 Speaker 1: trying to infiltrate it and organizing and trying to protect 685 00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,440 Speaker 1: it in a way that seemed like even the like 686 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:27,040 Speaker 1: their methods seem healthy and positive. Um. I imagine we're 687 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:31,000 Speaker 1: going to talk about it include this later on. But 688 00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,160 Speaker 1: like even like reaching out to these people and trying 689 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:39,320 Speaker 1: to help them, uh, everybody there is just fairly yeah, 690 00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,920 Speaker 1: like I like all the hugs. Yeah, yeah, the hugs um, 691 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,080 Speaker 1: something we touched on in the first Lost recording. Um, 692 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,879 Speaker 1: it is incredible. You're walking around and you just see 693 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,000 Speaker 1: everybody's giving each other hugs and not just like quick hugs. 694 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:59,920 Speaker 1: We're talking about big, long, fingering hug and that's it's 695 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:01,640 Speaker 1: all part of it. It's just so much love. And 696 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,320 Speaker 1: I think that I think, I mean I wanted hugs. 697 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,520 Speaker 1: I wanted to ask people for hubbs. I didn't because 698 00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,080 Speaker 1: the way they were doing it seemed like it seemed 699 00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:11,480 Speaker 1: like like you were saying, like a lot of these 700 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,879 Speaker 1: personas are are aspects of their personality they don't feel 701 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:18,360 Speaker 1: comfortable expressing. They don't feel like themselves necessarily, um, but 702 00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,400 Speaker 1: when they're in their first suits, they can't express that. 703 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,840 Speaker 1: And a lot of it seemed like you don't necessary 704 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,080 Speaker 1: you're not necessarily a physical person. You don't show a 705 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,719 Speaker 1: lot of physical intimacy between people. I mean, you're not 706 00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:33,000 Speaker 1: comfortable being touched. But when you're in that outfit, that's 707 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,400 Speaker 1: when you allow yourself too. So there are a lot 708 00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,120 Speaker 1: of hugs like they do linger and it seemed like 709 00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,520 Speaker 1: it was like, oh, you've you haven't hugged somebody in 710 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,080 Speaker 1: a long time. This is when you do. This is 711 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,719 Speaker 1: when you yeah, exactly, um and yeah, it was it 712 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,759 Speaker 1: was just really nice to see every every every like 713 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,919 Speaker 1: you'd be like, oh, look and and I liked every 714 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,399 Speaker 1: time that we were walking around with somebody that we 715 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:59,200 Speaker 1: were have been talking with or whatever. UM tons of friends, 716 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,600 Speaker 1: tons of friends and running into people they haven't seen 717 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:04,520 Speaker 1: in a long time, and just the love and the 718 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:09,799 Speaker 1: joy it truly is. I'm it reminded me a lot 719 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,560 Speaker 1: of my own subculture, which I talked about a little bit. 720 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,160 Speaker 1: I do a lot of regional burning Man events which 721 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,880 Speaker 1: are quite different, UM from the the big one UM 722 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,760 Speaker 1: down in Texas particularly, and there's a lot of hugging. 723 00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,960 Speaker 1: There's like essentially an airlock a camp that greets you 724 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:28,879 Speaker 1: when you enter, when you get on the land, which 725 00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:30,959 Speaker 1: is always out and the out in the booneies away 726 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:35,560 Speaker 1: from civilization and nearly always starts with like hugs and 727 00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,960 Speaker 1: people in costumes, naked people. This sort of like immediate 728 00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,400 Speaker 1: like blitz of all the things that are different about 729 00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,920 Speaker 1: where you are than the place you came from. UM, 730 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,399 Speaker 1: and people welcome you home. UM. And it's it's very 731 00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:52,120 Speaker 1: much the same energy and I think fulfills pretty similar roles. 732 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:53,360 Speaker 1: And that was kind of one of the things that 733 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:57,680 Speaker 1: was surprising to me was recognizing, UM, this is sort 734 00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:01,359 Speaker 1: of their way of fulfilling like in my community. We 735 00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,000 Speaker 1: we love a lot of fires. We blow a lot 736 00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,880 Speaker 1: of things up fires interesting, Yeah, yeah, way more than 737 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,640 Speaker 1: the ones I started the other night. And you feel 738 00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,359 Speaker 1: safe doing that in that environment. Yeah. And in fact, 739 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,600 Speaker 1: there's always like a full fire department worth of volunteers 740 00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,719 Speaker 1: who are actually firefighters, who just are That's another thing 741 00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:19,759 Speaker 1: they do, is that the rest of Maybe that's a 742 00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:23,560 Speaker 1: good place to do fires instead of being kitty. I 743 00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:25,840 Speaker 1: challenge you to name a single person who's been harmed 744 00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:30,239 Speaker 1: by a fire. So many people, but not name the 745 00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,040 Speaker 1: girl down the street for me when I was a kid, 746 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:43,040 Speaker 1: exactly Stacy Solar. Earlier today, Robert Evans said his hand hurt. 747 00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,080 Speaker 1: I said, for some reason, for some reason, and we 748 00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:50,440 Speaker 1: don't know the reason. We haven't fully ongoing investigation on one. 749 00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:56,760 Speaker 1: Roberts hand in conclusive as to this moment. Anyway, Your subculture, Robert, Yeah, 750 00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:01,440 Speaker 1: I think there's um, you know, I think what we 751 00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,400 Speaker 1: might find exploring some of these subcultures, at least the 752 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,440 Speaker 1: ones that are not inherently toxic, because I think most 753 00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,520 Speaker 1: of the ones we're going to hang out in, like 754 00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,560 Speaker 1: you know, Sepack, the Conservative, a lot of them will 755 00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,200 Speaker 1: be very toxic. Um, I think the ones that aren't, 756 00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:16,640 Speaker 1: maybe a lot of the ones that are. I think 757 00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,719 Speaker 1: we will see a lot of similar things because I 758 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,920 Speaker 1: do think, um, there's a lot of different like what 759 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,560 Speaker 1: we're seeing with the hugging and the touching and the 760 00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,720 Speaker 1: kind of intimacy and not not just the intimacy between 761 00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,399 Speaker 1: like friends, but just sort of the intimacy as an 762 00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:35,719 Speaker 1: aspect of culture here. Um is kind of a reaction 763 00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,840 Speaker 1: that I think a lot of different subcultures have to 764 00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:45,360 Speaker 1: the impersonal um and like touch, averse emotion of verse connection, 765 00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:50,160 Speaker 1: averse nature of the civilization that we all built for 766 00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:55,560 Speaker 1: some reason. And we're all isolated. Yeah, we're all really connected, 767 00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:59,239 Speaker 1: but also isolated and lowly. Yeah, so many of us 768 00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,359 Speaker 1: go around without having been touched in a long time. 769 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,279 Speaker 1: It is way easier on a daily basis, especially when 770 00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,440 Speaker 1: like I'm not hanging out at home, UM where I 771 00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,399 Speaker 1: like know people. It's way easier for me to get 772 00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,239 Speaker 1: into a long fight on Twitter than it is to 773 00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,160 Speaker 1: get a hug. You know, that's just a reality. I 774 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,279 Speaker 1: think that's true for a lot of people listening to this. 775 00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,160 Speaker 1: Hopefully not most of you, I hope, Yeah, but a 776 00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:24,160 Speaker 1: lot of people. Um, and I think that one of 777 00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:28,160 Speaker 1: the things that we learned about surviving the worst year ever, um, 778 00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,440 Speaker 1: is that ship like that needs to be more common 779 00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:36,520 Speaker 1: for everybody, more common and promoted and celebrated. And because 780 00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:38,840 Speaker 1: also one thing that I think we touched on a 781 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:43,600 Speaker 1: lot is these sort of toxic subcultures and infiltrate these 782 00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:47,399 Speaker 1: other areas. They're suffering from the same thing. And that's 783 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:51,680 Speaker 1: something that I think we like that we don't really 784 00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:56,080 Speaker 1: recognize much because it's hard because like we're talking about Nazis, 785 00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,960 Speaker 1: like we all like, it's all suffering from the same problems. 786 00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,680 Speaker 1: It's just dealing with them in different ways, even the Nazis. 787 00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,440 Speaker 1: You know, the reason that those communities draw people in 788 00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:09,000 Speaker 1: is their ability to make up for holes exactly. You 789 00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:12,520 Speaker 1: find these vulnerable people who feel disconnected, they don't have 790 00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:16,120 Speaker 1: the group, they don't have that positive subculture, they don't 791 00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,640 Speaker 1: have like a family or yeah, all these sort of things, uh, 792 00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,399 Speaker 1: that we all suffer from in different ways and deal 793 00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:24,640 Speaker 1: with in different ways, um. And so you have these 794 00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,080 Speaker 1: people that prey on them, but then there is that 795 00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:28,920 Speaker 1: connection that can be made to sort of bring people 796 00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:34,680 Speaker 1: back and promoting that positivity and giving openness and space 797 00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,880 Speaker 1: to people who need it. UM, I think can help 798 00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:43,799 Speaker 1: in the de radicalization, but also in in getting through it. Yeah, 799 00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:45,880 Speaker 1: more getting through One of the people we talked to, 800 00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:49,000 Speaker 1: We talked to one person who did de radicalization work, 801 00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,520 Speaker 1: and part of what she mentioned is like being helpful 802 00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,080 Speaker 1: in that was trying to make connections with people that 803 00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,120 Speaker 1: areas have shared interest and she had clearly done that 804 00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,160 Speaker 1: with some people who are like to some extend down 805 00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,640 Speaker 1: that kind of is more common called like the alt 806 00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,840 Speaker 1: right or the far right timeline UM, and she chose 807 00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:05,960 Speaker 1: to do that work and she had seen some failure 808 00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,279 Speaker 1: and some success with it. We talked to somebody else 809 00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:09,920 Speaker 1: who was like, you know, I've done I've tried a 810 00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:11,800 Speaker 1: little bit of that from time to time, but I 811 00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,400 Speaker 1: I you know, if I'm going to spend that energy, 812 00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,000 Speaker 1: because it does take energy I'm to spend on like 813 00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:20,440 Speaker 1: a member of like you know, marginalizing, it needs my 814 00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,840 Speaker 1: effort and also deserves it more time and patience and effort. 815 00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:25,840 Speaker 1: Like there's a lot that goes into it. And you know, 816 00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:30,120 Speaker 1: I can't fault him on that for sure. Yeah, yeah, 817 00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:34,200 Speaker 1: because he's right. I mean, it's it's exhausting work. Yeah, 818 00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:35,719 Speaker 1: it's easy but you know, you do what you can. 819 00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,160 Speaker 1: You can also read the room and read a situation 820 00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,080 Speaker 1: and be like, this person is more likely to be 821 00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:44,280 Speaker 1: receptive to right there. Yeah, there's some people that are 822 00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,239 Speaker 1: even like early on where you're like, oh, you're like 823 00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,520 Speaker 1: you're like a young kid and you're heading down this path, 824 00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:50,919 Speaker 1: but come here and talking about too far. You haven't 825 00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:55,840 Speaker 1: done anything you can't take back, exactly as opposed to like, okay, 826 00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,200 Speaker 1: well now in this situation, I'm I would rather help 827 00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:03,640 Speaker 1: this person and say funes then you know, yeah, any 828 00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:07,000 Speaker 1: other thoughts. It just struck me that this is a show, 829 00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:11,920 Speaker 1: like I said, a shining example of uh of how 830 00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,320 Speaker 1: to survive the worst year ever? Like this, you find 831 00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,160 Speaker 1: your space and you throw yourself in it and you 832 00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:18,960 Speaker 1: protect it and you and you love it and you 833 00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:23,239 Speaker 1: embrace it, and you you find the people in the group, 834 00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,480 Speaker 1: the groups that allow you to be your authentic self 835 00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:30,239 Speaker 1: and celebrate you who you are and each other. And um, 836 00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:35,360 Speaker 1: it was touching. Everything was sweet, Everything was sweet and protective. 837 00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:39,239 Speaker 1: It seemed yeah, yeah, protective like a like a like 838 00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:43,960 Speaker 1: a big friendly womb with fourteen dollar cocktails, which really 839 00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:48,719 Speaker 1: you know, coming from Los Angeles is and yeah, but 840 00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:50,600 Speaker 1: not great. I'm not gonna not gonna say it's great, 841 00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,920 Speaker 1: but it was people were smuggling it or just walking 842 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:57,960 Speaker 1: in with alcohol too. So just the aspect of all 843 00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,600 Speaker 1: this sort of stuff and realize like, oh, this is 844 00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:04,640 Speaker 1: something they've learned over time because it is a very 845 00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:08,399 Speaker 1: unique culture and fandom. Let's face, we were all making 846 00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:12,719 Speaker 1: fun of them for years and they've been dealing with 847 00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:16,960 Speaker 1: like Nazis for years and years, and if sort of 848 00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:21,040 Speaker 1: honed that skill a little bit. And I think there's 849 00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,120 Speaker 1: there's just a lot to learn. I think from from 850 00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:28,000 Speaker 1: the love the we they're they're weird. Love, They're weird 851 00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:35,560 Speaker 1: but wholesome and endearing and thoroughly admirable love. Yeah, it's 852 00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:40,360 Speaker 1: what Yeah? What what do you said? One of the 853 00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,600 Speaker 1: people we talked strange were strange together. Yeah. I like 854 00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:51,240 Speaker 1: that line closing out, Um, he's gonna get first suits. 855 00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:55,160 Speaker 1: What do you What do you think your first sona 856 00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:59,160 Speaker 1: would be if you had a gun to your head? Tiger? Now, 857 00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:05,320 Speaker 1: I was also going to say monkey, maybe bunny, Bunny, 858 00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:09,680 Speaker 1: you've been doing funny stuff that tail. I think a 859 00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:18,080 Speaker 1: husky dog. Yeah, I'm getting you guys for Christmas. Five 860 00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:24,480 Speaker 1: thousand dollar fur suits. It's not cheap, guys, just make no, no, 861 00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:29,799 Speaker 1: they're incredibly expensive. They're like used cars. Some some what 862 00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:33,400 Speaker 1: some take like years to make it seems like they do. Yeah, 863 00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:37,200 Speaker 1: um cool. Well this has been video diary to our 864 00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:40,920 Speaker 1: last video diary, the worst journal ever, not a video podcast. 865 00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:45,239 Speaker 1: But they're different putting people Wait are you are you 866 00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,480 Speaker 1: fucking telling me that people can't see the things I 867 00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:51,399 Speaker 1: put out? So sorry, this has been such a long 868 00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:55,839 Speaker 1: journey of disappointment when we told my gestures are such 869 00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:59,359 Speaker 1: a critical part of everything. That's why, that's why I 870 00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:03,239 Speaker 1: really enjoy way like guessing on behind the bastards, but 871 00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,000 Speaker 1: like listening to him, like what's he doing with his hands? 872 00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:11,040 Speaker 1: And just I'm flipping everyone off constantly. It's nothing but 873 00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,680 Speaker 1: middle fingers is sitting here playing with a knife. That 874 00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:19,799 Speaker 1: he's not he's brandishing. Brandishing is such a strong, very 875 00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:23,399 Speaker 1: strong right. You're right, you're right. I'm gently gesturings, gesticulating 876 00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:26,040 Speaker 1: with a knife. And you can't throw anything here, and 877 00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,720 Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm not. I have not thrown anything 878 00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,040 Speaker 1: except for the burning water fire that I think that 879 00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:33,920 Speaker 1: was more of a drop, that was more I flung 880 00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:37,400 Speaker 1: it at I was trying aiming for the door. It 881 00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:43,640 Speaker 1: was very hot for doing more of these yeah, yeah, 882 00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:47,120 Speaker 1: you know what not this weekend. I'm tired of ye. 883 00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:53,160 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say, see a bag. I also agree 884 00:51:53,160 --> 00:52:00,800 Speaker 1: with you completely Everything so dumb and it's not again 885 00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:07,440 Speaker 1: I tread Daniel Worst Year Ever is a production of 886 00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,240 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio. 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