1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: On the dog Cast, the questions asked me to happen 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: and oh my questions just by friends and helping do 3 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 1: they have individualism? The Patreon changing Welcome to the Becktel Cast. 4 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being here, psyched to have Yeah, 5 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: yeah we If you're not familiar, well, first of all, 6 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: by around to applause. Who has listened to our show before? Wow? 7 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 1: Some enthusiastic applause and uh clap a hesitant who in 8 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:44,599 Speaker 1: the night If you have not heard it, it's okay, 9 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: okay by a friend, very drag and dragged love it. Welcome, 10 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: thanks for coming right, Thank you so for you. We 11 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: will explain what our show is. We take a different 12 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: movie every episode we examine it through the lens of 13 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: how does it treat women? And unfortunately, nearly every movie 14 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 1: fux it up and as we'll talk about tonight, sometimes 15 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:16,759 Speaker 1: even movies made for women incredible. So yeah, we use 16 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: the Bechdel test as a jumping out point for discussion. 17 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: If you don't know that is it is a media 18 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 1: metric invented by cartoonist Alison Bechdel in which two female 19 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 1: identifying characters must talk to each other about something other 20 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: than a man for at least two lines of dialogue. 21 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: Should we try it out? Try it out? Okay? Um, 22 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 1: hey Jamie, what's up Caitlin? Uh um, Oh, it shouldn't 23 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: be this hard. It shouldn't be this hard. I agree 24 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: on trying to think of something relevant to the movie 25 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: we're discussing tonight. Unfortunately, there are no memorable quotes or 26 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: anything good about it. You do remember the part where 27 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: she says, I like shoe that's my favorite. Okay, do 28 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: you like shoes? Jamie helpe me either. I should, but 29 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: I you know, I just wear the same pair until 30 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:19,799 Speaker 1: they smell. And that passed with the back tol test Man. 31 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:22,399 Speaker 1: I'm I am genuinely very excited. We're talking about Sex 32 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: in the City, the movie, which is critical because there 33 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: is there's so much universe to explore. We're talking about 34 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: the movie. Oh eight year of My First Kiss, Big 35 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:38,519 Speaker 1: year for me. That was the year I graduated college 36 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: year for me. But who would you want? Are difficult 37 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: to say, which was a larger accomplishment because I really 38 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: hung in there and waited. I'm so excited for for 39 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: our guests to come out because I just feel like 40 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: it's going to be a lively ass discussion. Indeed, let's 41 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: bring her out. She's a comedian. She is the co 42 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: host of Crooked Media's Hysteria, and she has a Comedy 43 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: Central half hour Give it Up from Meg. I did try. 44 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: I know that this is like a visual I'm about 45 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: to riff visually and people listening won't be able to 46 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: hear it but or see it. But I did dress 47 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: in a way that I thought the ladies would appreciate. 48 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 1: I agree. I think that the whole ensemble would be 49 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: very carry I know my gene jackets from Madewell, and 50 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: that's like pretty embarrassing. That's what like what Miranda would buy. 51 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: But I'll take it off so then I feel better 52 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: and I feel more like a Charlotte. Now, yeah, I 53 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: see it. Wait does do you do you how do 54 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: you identify sex in the city? Was I identify as 55 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: a Charlotte in the streets and a Samantha and the sheets? Okay, 56 00:03:57,600 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: and everyone hears like, we don't really even know what 57 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: that means. To uh, it means I like to dress 58 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: preppy and funk a lot. Congratulations. Think, well, now I'm 59 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: getting married, so I can only funk one person, but 60 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: you'll still funk a lot Yeah, honestly, I don't feel like, 61 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: now that it's down to one person, my fucking has 62 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: dipped an Jamie. How do you identify I was? I 63 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 1: was struggling. I don't do you have an opinion either 64 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 1: way about you or about myself? About me? I was, 65 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 1: I don't know. I was struggling. I was like, I 66 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: don't know. I just look at this movie and I'm like, Chris, No, 67 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 1: why why I cast Chris know when you could cast 68 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 1: Alfred Molina. That's all I see. Yeah, when I see 69 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 1: this movie, Yeah, I don't think you fit the mold 70 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: totally of anyone, and I hope you take that like 71 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: the other one I person of their barrist does. That's 72 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:54,359 Speaker 1: why I'm one. A lot of people feel that way though. Yeah, 73 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 1: I feel like I would serve them food and talk 74 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: about them when they leave. Yeah, that's what I think. 75 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: I identify. I think most as Raphael from Teenage Mutina Turtles. 76 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 1: That's how I that's my Sex and the City character, 77 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: because there's the same if you think about it. Megan, 78 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,479 Speaker 1: thanks for being here, first of all, having me. What 79 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: is your history your relationship with this movie? And I'm 80 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 1: kind of just the franchise of the extended universe, you know. 81 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: Sex and the City started when I was probably in 82 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: middle school, so it was a little bit before what 83 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: maybe I should have been watching maturity wise, but I 84 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: did start watching it, and I can remember my mom 85 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: letting me have people over, girls over to watch the 86 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 1: finale my senior year of high school, and I cried, 87 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: and I mean I I grew up in the Midwest, 88 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 1: and so sort of seeing this truly fictional depiction of 89 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 1: New York City was really exciting and glamorous to me. 90 00:05:57,720 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: And then when the movie came out, I got to 91 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: ago to what was like a private screening in Indianapolis, 92 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:11,559 Speaker 1: the Indianapolis premiere two pm on a Sunday, not even 93 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:13,919 Speaker 1: the day the movie premiere, like one of the radio 94 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 1: stations like gave out tickets or something, and my friend 95 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 1: was an intern there and so we got to go. 96 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: And watching it in the theater with a group of 97 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 1: Midwestern white women was truly insane, I mean, hooting and 98 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 1: hollering and laughing, and even at the time, I remember 99 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:37,239 Speaker 1: being like, that wasn't a joke. Just everyone was having 100 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 1: so many reactions and it was a really like great 101 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: way to see It's the same way I saw a 102 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: Girl Strip too. I was like so high and so 103 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 1: drunk when I saw Girls Trip and people are like 104 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: that movie is bad, and I'm like, I haven't revisited it, 105 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: but when I saw it, loved it. Uh So I 106 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: think part of like the experience when I saw it 107 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: the first time was so great. But now you know 108 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: it's on TV. It's on E all the time, um, 109 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: so you can pop in and out. I almost was like, oh, 110 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:08,840 Speaker 1: I need to rewatch it for this, and I was like, 111 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: I know, I know it. You know, I don't need 112 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: to be doing my homework. I wrote the homework, so 113 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: I feel I feel well versed in it and it 114 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: definitely got me through, um some some tough times. WHOA Jamie, 115 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: how about you? I don't have much of I think 116 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: I've seen. I definitely wasn't allowed to watch it when 117 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: it first came on, and then I just we didn't 118 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: have HBO because we were quite poor, so we did 119 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: HBO was not a thinking in my home. Also, we 120 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: didn't talk about or look at nipples, so HBO was 121 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: also ideologically not a thing in my home. I I've 122 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: seen probably like between ten and fifteen episodes of the 123 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: show over the years. But my mom weirdly, but there's 124 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: so much happening. My mom got really into sex in 125 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: the city, like when I was a senior in high school, 126 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: which was too late, and I remember she came up 127 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: to me, like my senior year of high school and 128 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: she was like, Jamie, do you wax Like she she 129 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: was not like super familiar with the concept or like, 130 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: and she was like, are you doing it behind my back? 131 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: And I was like no, We're a full Bush family. 132 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: And I was like, I don't have HBO or we're 133 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: a full Bush family. And she was like, oh, thank god. 134 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: And then two years later she's like, I did it. 135 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: I hated it, and it was so that's really my 136 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: entire experience. I've never seen this movie. Okay, Yeah, what's yours? 137 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: I would watch this show periodically on TBS because a 138 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 1: friend of mine when I was a freshman in college 139 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: loved it and would play it and I would be 140 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 1: in her room and had no choice but to consume it. Um. Yes. 141 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:00,439 Speaker 1: Then I saw the movie because my us friend j 142 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: T played it all the time in the apartment we 143 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: lived in together. A fan, he's a big fan. Okay, 144 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: I will not hesitate to say that I hate sex 145 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:17,719 Speaker 1: in the city. I hate it so much, but I 146 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: am so excited to talk about I still the way 147 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: about sex in the city, the way I feel about 148 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:28,319 Speaker 1: sex and cities, which is basically neutral. Okay, could take 149 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 1: them good, leave them. Sure, I do have to say, 150 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: I want to clarify I'm not one of those people 151 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 1: who's like, this is my identity people during this time 152 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: that we're like, listen, I only drink Cosmos, and I like, 153 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: I've never owned a poster. I would not refer to 154 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:48,559 Speaker 1: myself out in the general public as a Samantha slash Charlotte, 155 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: But when asked point blank, I have answers and anecdotes 156 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: for every single thing. Perfect. I like that the full 157 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: spectrum is represented, indeed, full spectrum of Caucasian woman attitid. 158 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:09,959 Speaker 1: I like how this movie The Sex and the Sities 159 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: idea of diversity is a redheaded woman, a brown haired woman, 160 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: a blond woman, and a dirty blond woman and a 161 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: black assistant. And yeah, Jennifer Hudson in a role that 162 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: could be removed from the movie and change nothing. Brave, 163 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: Oh Jennifer, Should I just dive into the recap? Yeah? So, 164 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: I guess can we just sort of establish how the 165 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: TV series ends, because I do fully believe, just based 166 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 1: on what I know about the series, that the first 167 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: movie seems to undo all everything that was cool about 168 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 1: the series, and that was interesting about the series because 169 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: it ends with Carrie deciding that she is going to 170 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 1: be with no one with herself, right that she's she's 171 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: chosen Carrie. I mean, we can't ever really know what 172 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 1: Carrie wants because she's so fucking annoying. She's definitely like, 173 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: I don't want to be with this ballerina who's pretending 174 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: to be an artist for the sake of the show. Um, 175 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: so she's gonna leave Paris, but like she is going 176 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: to be with Big really, but she doesn't end up 177 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: with anyone at the end of the series, right, Like yeah, no, 178 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: I think Big goes to Paris and gets her. Wait 179 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 1: is that really? Yeah? Okay, well you were saying that. 180 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: I was like do I was I drunk in high school? 181 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:34,559 Speaker 1: Like you know, Big Big goes and gets sir. And 182 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: then the movie sort of picks up a few years 183 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: like what what have they been up to? Well? This 184 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,439 Speaker 1: is even worse than I thought. This is just awful. 185 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: Good give it for Jeff guys. Wow, clear as a belt. 186 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, let's talk about the movie alright. So 187 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: the recap, Well, thankfully, the beginning of this movie recaps 188 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: the highlights of the show, which was very helpful for me. 189 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: There's cliffs I like, I like watching a movie alone 190 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: that you know is doing fan service that you don't 191 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: really understand. You're like, oh, someone is really enjoying this summer. 192 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 1: So there are four main characters. Obviously, we've got Charlotte 193 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 1: and her husband is Harry. Is that Mr Bald? Mr? Big? 194 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 1: Mr Bald? She had a husband during this series named 195 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: Trey Um, but he had erect all dysfunction and a 196 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: mean mom. Oh well they got a divorce, classic Trey. 197 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 1: So she and Harry are married and they've adopted a 198 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: baby from China. Lily Miranda has moved to Brooklyn with 199 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: her husband Steve and their son Brady. So far, so good. Good. Uh, 200 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: Samantha loves sex? Did you know she's gating like a 201 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: younger hottie actor Garrett Smith Jared Jarrett any man with 202 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 1: two first names I cannot trust. And then Carrie has 203 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: had this on again off again relationship with Big and 204 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: right now they're on do you think his name is 205 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 1: Jared Smith and he just doesn't know. Well, she meets 206 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 1: him and his name is like something stupid, and then 207 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: she's like, no, I'm going to fix you. Your name 208 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: is Okay. I did watch that episode, but brag. So 209 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: we flashed forward to the President where the movie picks up. 210 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: Carrie and Big are looking for apartments in New York City. 211 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 1: Ever heard of it? And that is exactly how the 212 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: movie Rosemary's Baby starts, just saying I thought of that too, 213 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh no, They're going to go into 214 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: a two big apartment and then things will start to 215 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: go wrong, and and that's what it kind of happens 216 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: the Devil as it turns out, basically basically, so they 217 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: find this expensive penthouse that Carrie falls in love with 218 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 1: pre war They say, that's so much and that's like 219 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: which war like And Chris Note is really turning in 220 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: one of the worst performances of the century in this movie. 221 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: He keeps turning to her with this shit eating grin 222 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, I got a lot of money. Well, 223 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: because there is there is sort of like off camera 224 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: behind the scenes things happening. Kim Catrell and Sarah Jessica 225 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: Parker each other. I love it, hate each other, and 226 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: that's why it kind of took so long for the 227 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: movie to happen. Most recently there was so there's a 228 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 1: second one. We won't get into that. I cannot even 229 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 1: defend that one. Uh, there was gonna be a third one. 230 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 1: Kim Cantrell's brother died and Sarah Jessica Parker commented like 231 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: on her Instagram like I'm so sorry, I'm thinking about you, 232 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: and Kim Cattrell was like, go funk yourself. WHOA, I 233 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: don't need you and neither does my dead brother. And 234 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: then everyone was like, I guess the third movie is 235 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: not happening. So there is like this You're watching it 236 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: and like we know this. So you're watching the movie 237 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: being like these people hate each other and you know 238 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: it's over money and sort of fame. Maybe that's why 239 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: I liked it so much, just having coworkers have to 240 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: be together that don't like each other behind the scenes drama. 241 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: It truly does sustain me in many ways. Wait, is 242 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: there anything for note heads? Was he was he does? He? 243 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: Was he in a flight with anyone? No? But I 244 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: did see him on the street once in New York 245 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: and I was high, and I was like, I don't 246 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: know if I should say anything. I don't know if 247 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: I should say anything because he was so handsome, and 248 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: I just yes. When we were shoulder to shoulder and 249 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: he was carrying a briefcase and it's like, where are 250 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: you going? What do you have? In their scripts of 251 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: The Good Wife, like what business meeting do you have? 252 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: We got shoulder to shoulder and I turned to him 253 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: and I said, you're great, and he looked at me. 254 00:15:54,800 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: He goes, thanks kid, Oh that kid, because he didn't 255 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 1: like me. He didn't want to be talking to me. 256 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: But I was like, thanks for giving me what I wanted, 257 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: what I needed. I promise I won't interrupt anymore after this. 258 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 1: I do have a quick Chris notath Alfred Molina crossover 259 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: into Okay, So on my old Twitter account before I 260 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: got frozen, I once tweeted, just so everyone knows Chris 261 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: No is the poor man's Alfred Molina. This was years ago. 262 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: Apparently both Chris No. Because I didn't tag anyone. I'm 263 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: not tacky like that. I just was a general thought. 264 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: And apparently both Chris North and Alfred Molina regularly searched 265 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: their own names on Twitter, because they both replied with 266 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: compliments to each other. Where Alfred was sorry, Freddy my 267 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: friend replied saying I think Chris Not is the best 268 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: Chris No he can be. It was kind of best 269 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: if aggressive, and then you know, Chris Not was like, 270 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: thanks buddy, your loved you and Spiderman too. It was 271 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: so nice. And then if I recall you then tweeted 272 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: back at Alfred Molina and you were like, please come 273 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: on the Bechtel Cast and then sure enough, two years 274 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 1: later he do that. So that's nice, great, thank you 275 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: for the snap. Thank you very much. Someone snapped and 276 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: it was beautiful, So okay, uh, we've So they're looking 277 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:24,239 Speaker 1: for departments. They find this expensive one and Big is like, 278 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 1: I got this, babe. And Carrie is trying to figure 279 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 1: out what to do with her apartment. She's considering selling it, 280 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: but she's worried what might happen if, like she and 281 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 1: Big split up again, because they have like five hundred 282 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: times at this point. It's a lot, I guess. And 283 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: but so they're not married, so she would have no 284 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:46,120 Speaker 1: legal rights to this property because he bought the whole thing. 285 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: So he's like, okay, let's get married, and she's like, okay, cool, 286 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 1: let's do that, and then they start planning the wedding. 287 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: She gets featured in Vogue. There's a whole photo she's 288 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 1: agends and then she's like, you're old, and you're just like, 289 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: no kids bringing you're old, but no one says that, 290 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 1: and then the scenes over, and then she is given 291 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:14,640 Speaker 1: address by Vivian Westwood, who I guess as a fancy designer, 292 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: but I'm too poor to know that. Gwen Stefani says 293 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 1: her name in a song, Oh no kidding, so you 294 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: know she is cool. Then we get some subplots that 295 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: take up time. Uh, there is some tension between Miranda 296 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 1: and her husband Steve. They hardly have sex anymore. And 297 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 1: then we've got Samantha and her boyfriend Smith. Their sex 298 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 1: life is also kind of like slowing down because she's 299 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: so horny and she just can't get enough sex. And 300 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff revolving like some very expensive 301 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:50,640 Speaker 1: ring in the wrong person bought the ring, and it's 302 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: like we're relating to it, we're feeling it. Yes, stars 303 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: on a ring. I wanted to buy it for myself. 304 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 1: And then she start spying on her new neighbor who's 305 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 1: always fucking as well. Yeah, that's weird. So then Carrie 306 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 1: starts to move out of her apartment and then everything 307 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: is like fun and cool until Steve tells Miranda that 308 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: he had sex with another person and she's like, well 309 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: screw you then and she leaves. Meanwhile, Big, he's not 310 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 1: taking the wedding planning seriously. This is his third marriage. 311 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: He's over. He's like, if a funk about weddings, he's yeah, 312 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: he's prepping for season one of the Good Wife. He's like, 313 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: can we move this on? Julianna Margolie's is my good wife? Right? 314 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: Good Wife Wife? It's a very good show. Now that 315 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:44,880 Speaker 1: was like the kind of show that I was like, 316 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 1: this show is fine, and then I was like, I'm 317 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 1: in season six and I literally could not tell you 318 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:52,640 Speaker 1: a thing that happens in that show. I've never wanted. 319 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 1: He's good watching The Good Fight, I'm not. I don't 320 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: have four dollars. You don't want to spin off? Simply can't. 321 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:06,120 Speaker 1: I watched The Good Place anyway. So at the rehearsal 322 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: dinner the night before the wedding, Steve shows up and 323 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 1: it really upsets Miranda, so She goes up to Big 324 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 1: and she's like, you are crazy for getting married. Married 325 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: druins everything, and so he decides you're right. Yeah. So 326 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: it's the day of the wedding. Big is trying to 327 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 1: contact Carrie and then like on her flip phone. Love it. Yes, 328 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 1: in of weirdly silent scene that child is only allowed 329 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: to speak twice in the entire movie, and there's moment's 330 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: room just like it would be so much less weird 331 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 1: if she had a line of dialogue here, but she 332 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,719 Speaker 1: just looks from side to side and then like hides 333 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 1: the flip phone. She's like the most well behaved child 334 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: I've ever seen. It's implied that she watches Charlotte just 335 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: move carry out of her apartment for three days. It's like, 336 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: isn't she she looks like she should be in school there. 337 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: Big essentially he doesn't want to get out of the limo. 338 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: He is like, Carrie, I don't think we should do this, 339 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: and then she attacks him with her bouquet of flowers. 340 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: I did love that part, the beautiful scene. I love 341 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 1: that part visually beautiful. That was one of the few 342 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: times that I was like, I agree with Carrie right now. 343 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: I don't, but we'll talk about it. I like that. 344 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 1: And then we cut to a few days later, she 345 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 1: is just shaken to her core and her friends are 346 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: trying to comfort her. They go to Mexico and what 347 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: was supposed to be her honeymoon trip, she does the 348 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 1: same thing that Bella does in Twilight, when she basically 349 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: blacks out for seventy two hours and wastes away. And 350 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 1: then she's like, well, I have her laugh again. And 351 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 1: then Charlotte ships herself and then she laughed, and then 352 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 1: she laughed. Okay, I did like that part day. How fine? Uh, 353 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 1: something's happened for a while. And then New Year's Eve 354 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 1: rolls around and Miranda and carry hang out because they're 355 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 1: both single. That's such a beautiful scene too. It's like 356 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 1: the New Year's Eve song, but they do it. It's 357 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 1: like instruments, I just get a whole, but like, I 358 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: mentally don't feel like you did, like you may have, 359 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 1: but I feel like you could be especially She goes 360 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,159 Speaker 1: back to New York and hires an assistant to like 361 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 1: help forget her life. This is how like disposable. The 362 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,880 Speaker 1: Jennifer Hudson character is written to be as you can 363 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: forget to mention her, and the movie doesn't change. Yeah, 364 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 1: you really achieve diversity. Louise from St. Louis yea yeah. 365 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 1: And then Big is still trying to get in touch 366 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:44,199 Speaker 1: with Carrie, but she like deletes his emails. She has 367 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: a new phone number. Carrie is one of those terrifying 368 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,919 Speaker 1: women who's like, I refuse to you, like, learn how 369 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:53,120 Speaker 1: to use the phone. I'm too rich, which they're out 370 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,199 Speaker 1: there and I she doesn't know how to use a 371 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: computer either, No, and she refused. She's like, I'll hire someone. 372 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 1: I'm like, you bitch there and she dies her hair. 373 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: She does her hair is brown. Is the color of sadness. Yes, 374 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: I've found that to be charting. And then Charlotte, the 375 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: brown haired one, also the other brown haired one, finds 376 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: out she's gregnant. She's greg nant. Yes, she's got a 377 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: little gregg cooking in there. So now New Year's Eve 378 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 1: rolls around, and then Fashion Week happens for I gotta 379 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: get well. The thing is like, they need this whole 380 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: movie funded by various brands, and so there's entire there's 381 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 1: that whole scene in the pharmacy where you're like the 382 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,919 Speaker 1: scene isn't necessary, but you're like, oh, but Gardnier, I 383 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,959 Speaker 1: get it, you know, they just need various checks. And 384 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,199 Speaker 1: then Miranda and Carry are hanging out on Valentine's Day 385 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 1: and Carrie is like, maybe it was my fault, Maybe 386 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: that's why Big left, And then Miranda is like, well, 387 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 1: it's actually because I told him that he was stupid 388 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: get married, even though that's clearly not Why so crazy? 389 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: Can you think of how many offhand things you've said 390 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 1: like this. I would have forgotten saying that within literally 391 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 1: two hours. I mean, I'm also getting married, and people 392 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: tell me all the time not to get married, are 393 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 1: you no, I'm like, listen, I gotta get divorced on 394 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: my own, you know, like I have to go on 395 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 1: the journey. I understand that, but it's a lesson I 396 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 1: have to learn the hard and expensive, catastrophic way. Big 397 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,400 Speaker 1: reacts to that as if it is the first time 398 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: he's heard it, but we already knew been married t 399 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 1: He's just like, wait a second, he's a week He's 400 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: a weak man that I have a whole go into 401 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 1: about this later on insane. But Miranda is acting like 402 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 1: it's this big secret she's been keeping, and then Carrie 403 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 1: reacts in such a way that she's I mean, she's 404 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: furious she gets stuck on a bunch of balloons, right. Yeah. 405 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:57,239 Speaker 1: Visually reminds me of like at my birthday party last year, 406 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: so many people confronted my then at the time new 407 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 1: boyfriend for longboarding there, and you know, he stuck around, 408 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: where's the longboard in the trash where I put it? 409 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 1: You know. So it's like, you know, relationships should be 410 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: able to weather these comments, is what I'm saying. Yes, 411 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 1: So eventually Carrie forgives Miranda, and then she starts to 412 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: figure out how she can forgive Steve. There's a whole 413 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 1: brooklyn Bridge reunion. They get back together. Samantha is horny 414 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:30,400 Speaker 1: still for her neighbor, but she's like, I'm with Smith. 415 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: I can't fuck my neighbor. So then she dumps Smith, 416 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:38,160 Speaker 1: which I thought was one of the Like, Samantha does 417 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,360 Speaker 1: a number of things that are just horrible in this 418 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 1: movie that I hate, But the speech she gives to 419 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: her hottie boyfriend who loves her, I really did like, 420 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: because she's like, I like being in a relationship with 421 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,640 Speaker 1: myself more than I like being in a relationship with you. 422 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:55,880 Speaker 1: And he was like that tracks, Yeah, that's fine. He's 423 00:25:55,920 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 1: so chill about it. It was after Naked Sushi yea. Also, 424 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:05,400 Speaker 1: Samantha's like B plotline is that she gained ten pounds, 425 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: right that is that It's just like and yeah, who 426 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: knows that's what that but that is like the implied 427 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: wake up call of like she needs to break up 428 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 1: with her wealthy TV actor boyfriend who's obsessed with her whatever. 429 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 1: And then Charlotte, she's at this point gregnant as hell. 430 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:35,239 Speaker 1: Greg is ready, She's to come. Greg's kicking and uh. 431 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 1: One day, she's having lunch by herself and she sees 432 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: Big and she's like, I'm so mad at you. And 433 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 1: then she's so mad that her water breaks. God, it's 434 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 1: like the one, like one of the few cathartic moments 435 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,399 Speaker 1: in this movie. She's like, I fuck you, you suck. 436 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,479 Speaker 1: And then two seconds later she's like I need you, 437 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,719 Speaker 1: like you're like, god, damn it. So she takes her 438 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,719 Speaker 1: to the hospital and then Carrie shows up and they're like, 439 00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:59,919 Speaker 1: he was waiting here for you. He still loves me, 440 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: you he wrote you all these love letters and she's like, 441 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 1: what love letters? And then she goes into the email 442 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 1: file of all the ones she took how do use email? 443 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: Because relationships are sacrifice. Yeah, then they retyped a book 444 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 1: he copied and other people's writing and then wrote two sentences, 445 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,440 Speaker 1: and she's like good enough, good enough. She goes back 446 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: to the apartment that he bought for her and then 447 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: is selling again because she likes the shoe. She likes. 448 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,159 Speaker 1: She loves shoes. Jennifer Hudson. She called Jennifer Hudson. By 449 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: the way, Jennifer Hudson is getting married, not that it 450 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 1: has any relevance in the point. She's back in St. Louis, 451 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 1: she's not even in New York, but yeah, she's back 452 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 1: at home. And then she has to call to give 453 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,639 Speaker 1: Carrie one more plot point, which is that there's a 454 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: shoe somewhere. That's truly what happens. What if Carrie goes 455 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 1: into that closet and instead of shoes, it's like the 456 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 1: pathway to devil worshiping cult like in Rosemary's Face. Was 457 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 1: it really in the closet that that was where there 458 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,439 Speaker 1: was or there was like remember they moved the like 459 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,640 Speaker 1: that big piece of furniture, And then there's a plan 460 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 1: that she moves the back of the closet and then 461 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: there's like The Hallway to the Cult House that is 462 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 1: such a better movie and it was made by like 463 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: the most famous molester. It's just like this movie is bleak. 464 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: What if she goes in the closet and Big is 465 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 1: fucking his secretary and she's like, well, my Manola blonics 466 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,400 Speaker 1: are here some I'll marry you anyway. I mean, that's 467 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:31,719 Speaker 1: that's about where her standards are at. Yeah. So he's like, oh, 468 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, this is holding your shoe in my hand 469 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 1: thinking of you. And then she's like, let's oh man, 470 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: I love you, and he's like, let's get married again. 471 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 1: This time I won't leave. So it ends. The movie 472 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 1: ends the same way the TV show ended again, I 473 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 1: get married, but this time they got in a simple 474 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: Chanel vintage suit. Because the symbolism is she didn't need 475 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: the big dress, she just needed channel. She just need 476 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 1: what she wanted the whole time. She should have settled. 477 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 1: I mean, she just needed the man, as every woman 478 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 1: in this movie does. And then there at the courthouse, 479 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 1: the gals are there to surprise her. Then that's Jennifer 480 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: Huden doesn't even get to go. She's trapped in St. Louis. 481 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: God but that's the movie of Texas City two eight 482 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: the movie al Right, where do we oh, gosh, I 483 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: don't know, well, I guess Megan, what was your your 484 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 1: your first impression of this movie like versus the TV show? 485 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: Do you feel like it's a big departure from the 486 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 1: TV show or like or how did you feel about it? 487 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 1: So I went into it and every the press had 488 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 1: been like this movie is bad, and so expectations were low. 489 00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: The soundtrack is very good, and the fashion and is 490 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: sort of the through line that they were able to 491 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 1: bring from. It's a Patricia Field and it's like, listen, 492 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 1: she did the show. Everyone looked cool and great. She 493 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 1: did the movie. Everyone looked cool and great, and then 494 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 1: you're just kind of like plugging them in different they 495 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: give you. They sort of like scratched the itch. There 496 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: is a montage of Carrie cleaning out her closet and 497 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 1: you see all of her like iconic looks. There's two 498 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 1: dress yes, yes, yes, And the thing is I could 499 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: have used another one, you know, like never enough for me, 500 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 1: And I did want Steven Miranda to get back together, 501 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 1: and I like everybody's kids, what else you need? Ye? 502 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 1: So yeah, the show is I know you would disagree 503 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: the show is better. Um it was Emmys, you know, 504 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: and this is not gonna win anything. But if you 505 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: were like a fan of the show, I think you 506 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: would watch the movie and be like, this is a 507 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 1: nice warm cup of cocoa. Yeah, there's a like there's 508 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: a few and I guess like we were operating on 509 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 1: limited sex in the city knowledge here. But I mean 510 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 1: for most movies, I I would be I'm like always like, oh, like, 511 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,959 Speaker 1: why aren't there people of multiple classes portrayed and all that? 512 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 1: But for this franchise in particular, there's a lot of 513 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 1: things like the lack of like diversity and like the 514 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: very like bizarrely poor way at handles queerness given that 515 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 1: the creator is queer, Like I take extreme issue with 516 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 1: all of that. But the class stuff I feel like 517 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 1: I weirdly exclude from this conversation because I feel like 518 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 1: it was designed as an escapist fantasy for women, and 519 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 1: it has like a complicated legacy in general, and that's 520 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 1: been good. Lord hasn't been written to death the legacy 521 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 1: of this franchise. But I feel like in this like 522 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 1: we can do the same five complaints everyone has about 523 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: this show of like how does care you for this 524 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: one of freelance writer salary, Like it written like it 525 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 1: is a fantasy and you're supposed to you know. And 526 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 1: and when this franchise was kind of like forward thinking 527 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 1: in a little bit different, which is like maybe the 528 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 1: first few seasons of this show and definitely not by 529 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, Like it's cultural usefulness was kind 530 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 1: of behind it, and it was there for fans, but 531 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 1: I don't know, I I appreciate it as an escapist idea. 532 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 1: And and there are like it's so often that whenever 533 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 1: there is a franchise that's targeted at women specifically, however 534 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 1: flawed it is. But like we've talked about Twilight, We've 535 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 1: talked about Fifty Shades of Gray, We've talked about a 536 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 1: bunch of franchises directed at women, and there's just like 537 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 1: always this implicit shame about it to anyone who enjoys 538 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 1: it in any capacity. That sucks, because like we've also 539 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 1: done fucking Blade Runner, We've done like every movie, like 540 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 1: every stupid movie directed to guys, and and it's like, 541 00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 1: you know, women get should get dumb stuff too, um, 542 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: and yeah, that's my feminism too well. And I also 543 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: think Sex in the City got a bit of a 544 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 1: pass because it was in the ninth like when it premiered. 545 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 1: I think it was like things that was a different 546 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: time obviously, and in their defense, they were like, well, 547 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 1: we're talking so openly about sex, and we're having women 548 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: talk about sex, and so everyone kind of looked the 549 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 1: other way on all those other issues, to the point 550 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 1: that when Girls started, which very much kind of stepped 551 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:42,959 Speaker 1: into that same time slot need demographic, and everyone was like, 552 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 1: where the funk are all the black people. Lena Dunnam 553 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 1: was like, but Sex in the City didn't have any 554 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: black people, and it's like, yeah, that was a long 555 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 1: time ago, and people are mad at them now. And 556 00:33:55,640 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 1: I think that's why Girls had so much backlash is 557 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 1: because some of it was like delayed Sex in the 558 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 1: City backlash. Yeah, I agree. I mean it's I don't know, like, yeah, 559 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 1: anything that anyone says about this is always going to 560 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:14,240 Speaker 1: be like loaded and weird and complicated. But on its surface, 561 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,360 Speaker 1: like there were like in in like the pilot of 562 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 1: the show did did a little homework and it's like 563 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 1: this is like one of the first shows that acknowledged 564 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:26,399 Speaker 1: queer people. However, poorly written as a part of other 565 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 1: people's lives, specifically queer men. Queer men. Yes, the show 566 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 1: kind of except for it, I think one Samantha lesbian 567 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:39,240 Speaker 1: for like eisde But other than that, the show seems 568 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 1: to erase queer women altogether. That is true. And she 569 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 1: ends up like breaking up with her girlfriend because she's like, 570 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:50,640 Speaker 1: you're so neaty, Like it's not even a good representation. 571 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 1: But they do take baths together and and it is like, 572 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 1: I mean, like all like, we've covered so many movies 573 00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,399 Speaker 1: that take place in the late nineties, and it's weird 574 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 1: because even though the this movie comes out in two eight, 575 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,279 Speaker 1: it is still the late nineties in the world of 576 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 1: this franchise for its entirety, which is why for oh eight, 577 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 1: I'm sure it was poorly reviewed because the world had 578 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 1: mostly just like moved on from that like way of 579 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 1: women being portrayed. Uh So, I feel like this is 580 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,160 Speaker 1: a late nineties movie in a way, and it is 581 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 1: like it sort of subscribes to like I almost think 582 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 1: of it the way that you think of like the 583 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,279 Speaker 1: Spice Girls in a way where you're like it is 584 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,839 Speaker 1: like feminism, like girl power that's trying to sell you 585 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 1: something quite aggressively, and it's you know, it's like, oh yeah, 586 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,280 Speaker 1: like women are in powered as long as you fucking 587 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 1: have money are white and our head around right yeah, 588 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 1: So I mean it is like just right off the top, 589 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 1: it is peak all of that, and we understand that. Yes, yes, indeed, 590 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 1: I did write. The first thing I wrote in my 591 00:35:54,160 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 1: notes is women be shopping the movie. So but they 592 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 1: and they be, they be shopping. That does not disappoint 593 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 1: if you're looking for women be shopping representation this movie 594 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,719 Speaker 1: delivers I honestly. I mean it's like, why watched this 595 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,880 Speaker 1: movie if you don't want to see women shopping? It 596 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 1: is visibility for women movie shopping. And then another thing, 597 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,759 Speaker 1: good thing, which we touched on briefly, but this, as 598 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 1: far as I understand, it was one of the first 599 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:30,640 Speaker 1: kind of mainstream things that was about sex positivity, especially 600 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,680 Speaker 1: for women, and that it kind of an open opened 601 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 1: up some conversations, um that helped kind of lead to 602 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 1: a more sex positive era. And then do you remember, 603 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,880 Speaker 1: I mean it's like, and I didn't watch this show 604 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,600 Speaker 1: when it was airing, but even I was like familiar 605 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 1: with and I know, we look at it now and 606 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 1: we're like obviously this is like one of the least 607 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:56,640 Speaker 1: diverse franchises, but the like hatred directed at Sarah Jessica 608 00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:01,400 Speaker 1: Parker for how she looked like was so intense, and 609 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,840 Speaker 1: that for the kind of grounds it in, like of 610 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 1: when it came out of like you couldn't even have 611 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 1: a face that wasn't the same face as everyone else 612 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,680 Speaker 1: without people just piling on you, and you just think about, like, 613 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 1: I mean, if I was Sergic, I mean, how how 614 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,719 Speaker 1: must that feel? That must feel like sucking dogshit. I've 615 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 1: read my YouTube comments before bad. Yeah, there's like I'm 616 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:30,480 Speaker 1: so sorry to bring up Family Guy, but okay, there's 617 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,319 Speaker 1: a I think it's a family Guy joke where they 618 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:37,279 Speaker 1: like compare her face to a foot. I want to say, yeah, 619 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,279 Speaker 1: it's a lot, there's a lot. I don't know why, 620 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:43,480 Speaker 1: I'm can I list there's a foot and horse I remember, 621 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,480 Speaker 1: and it's just like it's it's just like, yeah, she's 622 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:51,560 Speaker 1: a hot, thin heatero white lady and even she couldn't 623 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,880 Speaker 1: you know, Like so, I mean, it's just such a weird, 624 00:37:54,960 --> 00:38:02,600 Speaker 1: complicated subject. Well, let's let's really dive the weeds. The bush, 625 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:07,800 Speaker 1: Miranda's bush, Miranda's bush, is my favorite character in the movie. 626 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, that's that's me, that's me. I 627 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 1: feel seen um for once. So the big things for 628 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:21,040 Speaker 1: me for this movie is in addition to the things 629 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,480 Speaker 1: that've already been talked about to death, which is, you know, 630 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:29,920 Speaker 1: the lack of racial diversity, the weird representations of queerness, um, 631 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,920 Speaker 1: the class thing, which I do kind of take issue with, 632 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,799 Speaker 1: but this movie is and I know this is the 633 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,200 Speaker 1: point of the show, Sex and the City, show, the 634 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:46,040 Speaker 1: whole franchise, but these women's lives are so consumed by men. 635 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,000 Speaker 1: Because the show is about sex and relationships, and because 636 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,720 Speaker 1: they're all hetero women, it ends up being that they 637 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,040 Speaker 1: their lives revolve around the men were with. And yes, 638 00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 1: we do know what their jobs are, and sometimes we 639 00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,880 Speaker 1: see them at work in this movie not as much. 640 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:05,200 Speaker 1: We really only see them as they their storylines are 641 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 1: all in relationship to men, and they're just lives are 642 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:12,760 Speaker 1: completely revolving around men, so that it does not mode 643 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:18,440 Speaker 1: well for me. So another question, how what was the 644 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,880 Speaker 1: balance between like their relationships and then they're like job 645 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:26,000 Speaker 1: stuff in the series I do. I mean, Miranda went 646 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:30,400 Speaker 1: to Harvard and she had a whole plot line about 647 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,040 Speaker 1: trying to make partner and how difficult it was when 648 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:38,399 Speaker 1: she had Brady, and so her job definitely was I mean, 649 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,200 Speaker 1: you know that she works. I guess being a Harvard 650 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:45,440 Speaker 1: educated lawyer is not quote unquote relatable, but she was 651 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,040 Speaker 1: a businesswoman and that's how she identified. Well, someone with 652 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,080 Speaker 1: a master's agree in screenwriting from Boston University, it's actually 653 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,879 Speaker 1: pretty relatable. So but like her and and they very 654 00:39:55,920 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 1: much dressed them for their jobs. So Miranda was always 655 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,040 Speaker 1: in sort of like a two piece suit. And then 656 00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,640 Speaker 1: Samantha was a publicist, but like a very very good one, 657 00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,040 Speaker 1: and there were allusions to the fact that she had 658 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,520 Speaker 1: really hustled and worked her way up. We don't really 659 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:18,520 Speaker 1: ever find out how Carrie got this column, but she 660 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,600 Speaker 1: has it, and then at some point she sells a book. 661 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:22,279 Speaker 1: And I think because in the movie she does not 662 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:27,040 Speaker 1: work at all, she has written three books and she's 663 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:31,000 Speaker 1: living off of that. And then Charlotte worked at galleries. 664 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,279 Speaker 1: So the jobs that women are allowed to have in 665 00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:37,440 Speaker 1: rom coms, working at a galley, working at magazine, Laura, 666 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 1: but only if you're a bit yeah, and a publicist. Yeah. 667 00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,160 Speaker 1: The way the movie does it, I don't know yeah, 668 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,880 Speaker 1: the way the movie does it is egregious. No one's 669 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:51,759 Speaker 1: job is relevant really for both Carrie and Samantha at 670 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,960 Speaker 1: this point when we you know, we see them in 671 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,239 Speaker 1: the movie, even their professional lives are centered around their 672 00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:02,520 Speaker 1: relationships in general or relationships because because Samantha has like 673 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:09,719 Speaker 1: basically made her client but him like, yeah, she's basically 674 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,680 Speaker 1: his momager. And then and then Carrie just writes about 675 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,520 Speaker 1: you know, her hetero love partners and sex and even 676 00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:20,160 Speaker 1: though she hates computers. You're like writer. But I also 677 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:26,800 Speaker 1: have no idea what Big does. What he's like, I 678 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:32,160 Speaker 1: I mean, like I'm guessing finance, hedge fund, venture capitalist. 679 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:37,239 Speaker 1: He's definitely rich, but it's never said what he does 680 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,320 Speaker 1: in anyway. We don't even actually know. His name is 681 00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:46,000 Speaker 1: John think she got three names, John, Joseph Jingle sit. Yeah, 682 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,840 Speaker 1: that is his name. That as a runner in the series. 683 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,400 Speaker 1: So they don't really put a lot of weight on 684 00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,360 Speaker 1: I mean, like Steve owns a bar and it's like, no, 685 00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:58,000 Speaker 1: you don't, Steve, I mean you do, but you don't. 686 00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,520 Speaker 1: What does the bald guy do? Um? He is a lawyer. 687 00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:10,080 Speaker 1: He was actually Charlotte's divorce lawyer. Okay, sure, which for 688 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,239 Speaker 1: her like pretty convenient. But her issue with him, she 689 00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,520 Speaker 1: was like, he's ugly, but I guess he is rich, 690 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,960 Speaker 1: so let's putting his work, so I'll marry it. Wow, 691 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,759 Speaker 1: his mom I like his mom. I think his mom 692 00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,360 Speaker 1: is dead like something where she was like jack pot. 693 00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:32,280 Speaker 1: That is so dark. Okay. The other thing that really 694 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,680 Speaker 1: really bugs me about this movie, again, aside from all 695 00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,520 Speaker 1: this stuff that has regularly talked about, is that these 696 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:45,719 Speaker 1: women are so reactionary and they overreact to everything, which 697 00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:50,680 Speaker 1: plays into the you know stereotypes that like women just 698 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,759 Speaker 1: are so emotional and we can't control our emotions, and 699 00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,520 Speaker 1: you know, we're incapable of being a lot reasonable and 700 00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,600 Speaker 1: anything like that. Because the plot of the movie only 701 00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:06,759 Speaker 1: happens because Carrie, what I think is a huge overreaction 702 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:11,960 Speaker 1: to Big having some second thoughts about the wedding, like 703 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:20,959 Speaker 1: he well, my let's because how I I would feel 704 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,440 Speaker 1: that way if that were the first time he had 705 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,360 Speaker 1: done this. But this is clearly established, like this is 706 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,960 Speaker 1: like the third, fourth, fifth time he has bailed on 707 00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,359 Speaker 1: her at the last minute. So I say, hit him 708 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,319 Speaker 1: with a bouquet, and she even says, I knew you 709 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:38,000 Speaker 1: would do this, right she's like mad at herself because 710 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:39,719 Speaker 1: she's like, of course he was going to do. She 711 00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,000 Speaker 1: also should have picked up her fucking phone, you know, 712 00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,239 Speaker 1: like literally give me the damn phone. Yeah, that's true. 713 00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,400 Speaker 1: I mean, and and there are so many It's like 714 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:52,359 Speaker 1: Chekhov's phone is put into this purse just so like 715 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:56,279 Speaker 1: this will happen, but it I mean, I was refreshed 716 00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,440 Speaker 1: by that moment because I like, no, in my head 717 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,880 Speaker 1: that even they break up, if they break up forty 718 00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,239 Speaker 1: five minutes into this two and a half hour long movie, 719 00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,879 Speaker 1: so they're gonna get back together at the end, which 720 00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:14,080 Speaker 1: I already find disappointing. The same thing with Steven Miranda 721 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,520 Speaker 1: because I'm not attached to their relationship. And I really 722 00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,399 Speaker 1: was like, she should just break up with him if 723 00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,400 Speaker 1: he can't handle not having sex because she's raising his child, 724 00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:25,400 Speaker 1: sucking grow up. You're divorced now by like what, Like, 725 00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:29,279 Speaker 1: I just I I wanted both of the relationships in 726 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:34,400 Speaker 1: Peril to actually end, So I really relished the moments 727 00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,680 Speaker 1: that they were like no, fuck you, You're you're like 728 00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:41,480 Speaker 1: a dipshit and like, you know, you said you'd show up, 729 00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,799 Speaker 1: fucking show up. I'm fine with those relationships ending if 730 00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:49,400 Speaker 1: they had, especially Big had done something to warrant it 731 00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:53,799 Speaker 1: a bit more ensure he maybe the bailor I am 732 00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,160 Speaker 1: not familiar enough with the show to have realized that. 733 00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:58,759 Speaker 1: I'm also not attached to the show. But I'm like, 734 00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:03,440 Speaker 1: bail on me three times. You're canceled, like he had. 735 00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,319 Speaker 1: He had said though, like I just want you. I 736 00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,319 Speaker 1: don't care about a wedding like da da da, And 737 00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:13,040 Speaker 1: then she she I feel like overreacts because she was 738 00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,279 Speaker 1: humiliated in public, even though it was front of her 739 00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,759 Speaker 1: close friends. And then I don't know, I just I 740 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,440 Speaker 1: thought that was such a huge overreaction, and then maybe 741 00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:25,920 Speaker 1: that would have been so bad except that it keeps happening, 742 00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:30,719 Speaker 1: where then she freaks the funk out at Miranda. That 743 00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,560 Speaker 1: is stupid what that is? I mean, I think like 744 00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,040 Speaker 1: the herd Miranda, like that whole argument is set up 745 00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,960 Speaker 1: to be so stupid, like her passing comment doomed Carrie's marriage. 746 00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,720 Speaker 1: Then it's like, yeah, they shouldn't have gotten married. Big 747 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:50,200 Speaker 1: is like a lamo coward. Don't marry him. But I mean, yeah, 748 00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,440 Speaker 1: their their whole friendship being in peril like there that 749 00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:54,560 Speaker 1: had to have that needed to be like a stronger 750 00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,160 Speaker 1: storyline because it makes her look really weird and petty 751 00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,319 Speaker 1: and like, and it makes Miranda looks stupid it, which 752 00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:05,080 Speaker 1: we know she's canonically not so Yeah, but then like 753 00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:10,399 Speaker 1: Samantha freaks out at Smith and like throw sushi at HM. 754 00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,680 Speaker 1: That was dumb too, I didn't I didn't like that. 755 00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,719 Speaker 1: And then m Carrie throws her phone off of the 756 00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:22,959 Speaker 1: clip carry yeah she chi And then Miranda, I feel 757 00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:27,399 Speaker 1: like her being upset with Steve being unfaithful to her 758 00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,160 Speaker 1: was more of a warranted thing. But also she just 759 00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,759 Speaker 1: like she refused to talk about it, she refused to 760 00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,840 Speaker 1: do anything. She was just like I'm leaving forever. And 761 00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:40,120 Speaker 1: then they get back together, so as do Carrie and Big. 762 00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:43,120 Speaker 1: So we see that these women I guess are capable 763 00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:48,720 Speaker 1: of forgiveness and growth, which seems so they're good Christians whatever, like, 764 00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:54,279 Speaker 1: but it just like the reactionary responses that we're just 765 00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:58,000 Speaker 1: like so steeped and like women be crazy with their emotions. 766 00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:01,719 Speaker 1: Like I couldn't really get past that. Yeah, I don't know, 767 00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:03,680 Speaker 1: I mean, and and was that true in the show. 768 00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,680 Speaker 1: I feel like I do always appreciate and I think 769 00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,560 Speaker 1: that this movie shows like really none of this. But 770 00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:13,360 Speaker 1: I do always appreciate when you see like women making 771 00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:17,040 Speaker 1: mistakes but are still you know, you're still rooting for them, 772 00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,719 Speaker 1: because there is such a tendency we talk about all 773 00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:23,040 Speaker 1: the time towards like Mary Sue, female characters who cannot 774 00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,520 Speaker 1: make a mistake because women get one chance on screen 775 00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,960 Speaker 1: or in life, and if and if you funk up, 776 00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:32,279 Speaker 1: you know you're you're dead to the world. So I 777 00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:37,000 Speaker 1: do appreciate like when women funk up in a sympathetic way, 778 00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:39,560 Speaker 1: but I feel like that doesn't really I feel like 779 00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,320 Speaker 1: that might happen in the show sometimes where you're like Carrere, 780 00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:46,560 Speaker 1: you dumbass, but in the show they're way crazier. Really, 781 00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:50,359 Speaker 1: I think, so yeah, time, I mean, listen, you've got 782 00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,440 Speaker 1: to get people to tune in every Sunday. There's still drama. 783 00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,720 Speaker 1: There was a guide that, um, I mean they would 784 00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,160 Speaker 1: they would break up with men for the crazy is 785 00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,120 Speaker 1: things like there was a guy who would like eat 786 00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,920 Speaker 1: Miranda's pussy and then like she didn't like he like 787 00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,160 Speaker 1: wasn't wiping his face and then she was like, you're 788 00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,080 Speaker 1: out of here, and it's like I wipe his face 789 00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,759 Speaker 1: for like I've never seen this ship. I've never seen 790 00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,800 Speaker 1: that episode, and I remember that because it looked like 791 00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,239 Speaker 1: a glazed donut. Yeah, And I thought of that the 792 00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:19,839 Speaker 1: first time that happened to me, and I was like, 793 00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:24,680 Speaker 1: it's like the things, you know, they there were relationships 794 00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:28,640 Speaker 1: in the show that they threw away because that's the point, 795 00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:32,000 Speaker 1: you know, like that's the vehicle, is them breaking up 796 00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,920 Speaker 1: with people constantly to the point that you're like, you're 797 00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:38,000 Speaker 1: all going to be alone, which is fine, everybody is 798 00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:39,959 Speaker 1: allowed to be alone, but they all like, I don't 799 00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,759 Speaker 1: want to be alone except for Samantha really, and I 800 00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,720 Speaker 1: think that's kind of what the writers were doing for 801 00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,520 Speaker 1: the movie. They were like, we can't have all of 802 00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:53,080 Speaker 1: these couples work, so Smith and Samantha have to end. 803 00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:57,239 Speaker 1: But that's the couple that you're the least invested, right, um, 804 00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:01,720 Speaker 1: And like she's the character who should be with someone 805 00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:05,480 Speaker 1: the least, so that when that that's not even like 806 00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,680 Speaker 1: a big sacrifice in any way. But I did. I 807 00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:12,400 Speaker 1: was very, very invested in Stephen Miranda. I feel like, I, 808 00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,759 Speaker 1: Stephen Harry are like good guys. They really are. I 809 00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,680 Speaker 1: will see I I It's one thing, Okay, the thing 810 00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,400 Speaker 1: that bothered me about Steven Miranda who I don't know 811 00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,640 Speaker 1: what their history is, but like the thing that bothered 812 00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,560 Speaker 1: me about them getting back together was that it wasn't 813 00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,160 Speaker 1: Miranda's idea for them to get back together. Where it's 814 00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:34,279 Speaker 1: like I actually kind of understand that when she found out, 815 00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,240 Speaker 1: like it is set up for her, like we're fully 816 00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,839 Speaker 1: on her side where she is like I am like 817 00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,600 Speaker 1: being a lawyer five hundred hours a day, I'm raising 818 00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,959 Speaker 1: this kid. I've got to do all this stuff. Yeah, 819 00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,160 Speaker 1: she's helping his mom and he's like, why won't you 820 00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,719 Speaker 1: like me more? Like that sucks? And the fact that 821 00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,000 Speaker 1: she stands up for herself and it's kind of just 822 00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,600 Speaker 1: like I don't have time to fuck you right now, 823 00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:03,560 Speaker 1: Like I get it, Like it's it's just like I 824 00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,919 Speaker 1: feel like she, like a lot of women and people 825 00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:10,680 Speaker 1: in general can relate with that, like are you seriously 826 00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:12,640 Speaker 1: asking me to do this on top of like taking 827 00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,479 Speaker 1: care of your sick mom and your child who can't 828 00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:20,399 Speaker 1: stop like drule or whatever, like And then it seems 829 00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:22,719 Speaker 1: I feel like the movie implies the consequence of that 830 00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,680 Speaker 1: is he cheats, and then she's made out to seem 831 00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:27,840 Speaker 1: mean for not wanting to deal with it right away 832 00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,800 Speaker 1: and not wanting to like forgive him right away, like no, 833 00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,640 Speaker 1: why that's so shitty and I and so if it 834 00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:37,120 Speaker 1: was her idea to be like, Okay, some time has passed, 835 00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:39,880 Speaker 1: I've had time to think about it, let's try counseling. 836 00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:42,560 Speaker 1: Then great. But it's like if like her friends pressure 837 00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:44,400 Speaker 1: her into it, like all three of them are like, 838 00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:47,000 Speaker 1: why won't you give Steve a chance and just give 839 00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:51,279 Speaker 1: her time? Yeah, but he has a free voice, but 840 00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:57,759 Speaker 1: he's like they're like, Miranda, come on and if I 841 00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:02,239 Speaker 1: need it, I'm sorry took somebody. And then they're like, 842 00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:05,799 Speaker 1: come on, Miranda. Well and some of their history, you know, 843 00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,760 Speaker 1: he has one test to call and they had sack 844 00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:12,360 Speaker 1: doesn't come up. They had sacks. She had like pity 845 00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,319 Speaker 1: sex with him, and that's when she got pregnant and 846 00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,200 Speaker 1: she was going to have an abortion. Carry went with 847 00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:17,719 Speaker 1: her and then she didn't have an abortion, which is 848 00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,560 Speaker 1: actually a plotline that I really, really really fucking hate 849 00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:22,799 Speaker 1: in the show and in Girls. It's like, both of 850 00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,080 Speaker 1: these women would have had abortions, and you're being extremely 851 00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,080 Speaker 1: offensive to the people that watched these shows that have 852 00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,840 Speaker 1: had abortions and didn't walk out of the clinic to 853 00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:34,359 Speaker 1: keep the baby. The fund has ever done that, so 854 00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,880 Speaker 1: they do have like and I think what they're saying 855 00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:41,200 Speaker 1: to Miranda sometimes in that for saying, they're like, listen, 856 00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:44,319 Speaker 1: you chose this bitch, and you got this bitch. So 857 00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,640 Speaker 1: you're trying to change someone and it's just not going 858 00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,239 Speaker 1: to happen. I just wish they'd just like let her 859 00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,399 Speaker 1: come to that conclusion on her own. But Miranda gets 860 00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,879 Speaker 1: in her own way. So they're like they all sort 861 00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:59,040 Speaker 1: of are having to like see their fatal flaws throughout 862 00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:02,879 Speaker 1: the movie, and Miranda is that she's stubborn and can 863 00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:06,439 Speaker 1: be like cold hearted. Charlotte's says that she likes to run. 864 00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:12,120 Speaker 1: Um carries is just very bad form by the way, 865 00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,440 Speaker 1: I know. I mean it's like I was like, what 866 00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:17,640 Speaker 1: is the movie about. It was Charlotte and she's afraid 867 00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,920 Speaker 1: she's going to have a mischaracter. She stops running, right, 868 00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:25,800 Speaker 1: that's her storyline. She I honestly didn't care reaction there, 869 00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,839 Speaker 1: I know, but I mean I I was actually kind 870 00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,120 Speaker 1: of relieved that Charlotte wasn't given too much to do 871 00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,360 Speaker 1: because I'm like, I do care about you the least. Yeah, 872 00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:38,279 Speaker 1: but her husband is great Harry's great. Mr Bald him, 873 00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,200 Speaker 1: make him part of the friend group. Get Charlotte. He 874 00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,600 Speaker 1: kind of it like he's always like he like shows 875 00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:48,280 Speaker 1: up and it's like hey, carry like he's he's always 876 00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,799 Speaker 1: opening doors with like a sympathetic look, and that's his 877 00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:55,000 Speaker 1: entire character. His whole thing was like, I know, I 878 00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,080 Speaker 1: just watched my wife give birth for the first time, 879 00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:00,880 Speaker 1: but you should really get back together with Mr Bay 880 00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:04,960 Speaker 1: like thank you, Mr baltie By, and I have to go, 881 00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:10,520 Speaker 1: you know, clip the symbolical cord. But he's awesome and tall. Yeah, 882 00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:18,760 Speaker 1: it's true. I mean, we can't take that from him. 883 00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,200 Speaker 1: I think I was just giving this some thought just now. 884 00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:23,960 Speaker 1: One of the reasons that I think this still feels 885 00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:27,840 Speaker 1: so much like a nineties era movie even though it 886 00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:29,960 Speaker 1: was made it came out in two thousand and eight, 887 00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:34,200 Speaker 1: is that the characters, from what I understand again from 888 00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,680 Speaker 1: the little that I've watched the show, the four women 889 00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:42,000 Speaker 1: are way more caricatures than they are real people, which 890 00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:46,000 Speaker 1: was how TV shows were written in the nineties, like that, 891 00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,400 Speaker 1: that's just how it was, and then they never evolved 892 00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:51,840 Speaker 1: past that in the movie, so they still feel like, 893 00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,359 Speaker 1: I mean, what do we know about Samantha. She likes 894 00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,560 Speaker 1: to funk. She brings it up in every scene she's in. 895 00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,480 Speaker 1: What do we know about Charlotte, She's like a goody 896 00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,560 Speaker 1: two shoe is like everything offends me, and I won't 897 00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:06,719 Speaker 1: eat anything if it's in Mexico because I that was 898 00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,880 Speaker 1: that whole scene was rough for everyone because they're like, 899 00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,640 Speaker 1: we hate food that wasn't made in America and pubic 900 00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:18,960 Speaker 1: hair was then going to Mexico is bad because I 901 00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:24,080 Speaker 1: don't think I mean, it's so unrealistic that they would 902 00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:25,960 Speaker 1: just be like, oh, these two people that were going 903 00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,359 Speaker 1: to come for their honeymoon, now we're gonna let for ump. 904 00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,600 Speaker 1: No business would do that. How do how do they 905 00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:33,960 Speaker 1: all just have time off? I mean, Miranda doesn't have 906 00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:36,120 Speaker 1: enough time to fuck, and now she has enough time 907 00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,640 Speaker 1: to get her passport and go to Mexico, like I 908 00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:43,360 Speaker 1: don't know where? Where's Brady? And then and then Harry. 909 00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,000 Speaker 1: I hate when nothing is wrong with people and they 910 00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:49,560 Speaker 1: have to be fed food, like like a little in 911 00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,400 Speaker 1: Little Women, Beth is fed food and it's like beauple 912 00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,279 Speaker 1: Fall and you're like, oh my god, she's dying because 913 00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:57,319 Speaker 1: you love these German kids too much, and like you love. 914 00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:01,000 Speaker 1: I just love watching people like slurp soup that are ill. 915 00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:05,640 Speaker 1: But it's like, carry, Harry is healthy. Can we respect 916 00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:10,040 Speaker 1: Harry is healthy? Healthy, She's in wedding shape. Okay, that's 917 00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:13,640 Speaker 1: usually when people are their best, and like one of 918 00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:16,879 Speaker 1: them is having like feed her yogurt, and it's like, 919 00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,800 Speaker 1: don't do this to them, like either eat the yogurt 920 00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:24,439 Speaker 1: or don't go to Mexico. She she shouldn't have gone. 921 00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:28,319 Speaker 1: She overreacted, and that's why she's so depressed. Like if 922 00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,720 Speaker 1: she just stopped to talk to Beg for a second, 923 00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:35,799 Speaker 1: reasonable person would he could have been like, hey, yes, 924 00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:39,320 Speaker 1: I am having cold feet some second thoughts, as many 925 00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:43,160 Speaker 1: many people do when they're about to get married. I'm 926 00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:45,200 Speaker 1: going to leave you at the altar, Caitlin, because this 927 00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:49,080 Speaker 1: is I there. I I still I think she should 928 00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:51,680 Speaker 1: have hit him with the bouquet. I do. I do 929 00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:55,560 Speaker 1: think it is like weird, poor form to be like, yeah, fine, 930 00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:58,040 Speaker 1: I'll go on my honeymoon, but I'll be a real 931 00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:01,120 Speaker 1: bitch about it, like just stay home. If that's the 932 00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:06,080 Speaker 1: everyone's being so bending over backwards. I also, this is 933 00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:09,560 Speaker 1: no offense to Cabo or wherever they were. I don't 934 00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:12,480 Speaker 1: think Carrie and Big would go to Mexico. I think 935 00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,680 Speaker 1: they would go to Greece and like rent a yacht. 936 00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:20,040 Speaker 1: I don't because hates people of colors, So I wouldn't 937 00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:22,440 Speaker 1: go to anywhere where you're like, well, it almost reminded 938 00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:24,320 Speaker 1: me of like kind of like a Wes Anderson he 939 00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,840 Speaker 1: move of like, let's just go to like a majority 940 00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,720 Speaker 1: non white country and use the people in the culture. 941 00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:33,760 Speaker 1: They're as set dressing for white people doing well, boy, 942 00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:39,279 Speaker 1: are you not gonna like Sex in the City to Yeah, 943 00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:43,640 Speaker 1: that one. It's crazy. It cost me um three to 944 00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:46,799 Speaker 1: rent this and Sex in the City to telling me 945 00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:53,200 Speaker 1: it costs fifty cents? Isn't that wild? And this and 946 00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:55,480 Speaker 1: Sex in the City of the movie is not good. 947 00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:58,480 Speaker 1: It was not worth four dollars. I can't I cannot 948 00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:02,440 Speaker 1: even conceive a fifty cent rental on YouTube would yield. 949 00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:06,359 Speaker 1: It's hard to know. Well, now that we're on this 950 00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:10,200 Speaker 1: road of how the show treats race, shall I just 951 00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:13,960 Speaker 1: open up with a quote that I have? Okay, So 952 00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:19,920 Speaker 1: this is from a piece in Refinery twenty nine by 953 00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:24,240 Speaker 1: Hunter Harris entitled Hunter Harris, uh friend of the show 954 00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:27,800 Speaker 1: because friend of me? Oh No, kidding. Thank you a 955 00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:32,160 Speaker 1: friend of yours. We went to college together. Amazing, Let's 956 00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:37,640 Speaker 1: get her on the show. Fine, Okay, the pieces entitled 957 00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,240 Speaker 1: for women of color? Who Loves sex in the City, 958 00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:44,160 Speaker 1: She says, quote. It was a show that was simultaneously 959 00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:48,240 Speaker 1: progressive and regressive, where people of color were either stereotypes 960 00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:51,960 Speaker 1: or punch lines. Even when Samantha or Miranda never carry 961 00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:55,240 Speaker 1: or Charlotte share their bed with a black or Latino suitor, 962 00:57:55,800 --> 00:58:00,680 Speaker 1: the lead character's empathy or curiosity never expanded beyond stereotypical 963 00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:04,400 Speaker 1: observations whispered amongst their narrow white social circles. New York 964 00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:07,240 Speaker 1: was the main character on the show that featured only 965 00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:10,480 Speaker 1: one type of New Yorker. Um. So that's this is 966 00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:13,920 Speaker 1: speaking specifically about the series rather than the movie, But 967 00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:18,400 Speaker 1: it does apply to the movie still, because the one 968 00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:21,120 Speaker 1: person of color that has any sort of narrative significance 969 00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:26,120 Speaker 1: is the assistant that Carry hires, which I am guessing 970 00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:28,600 Speaker 1: it's clearly a response to all the criticism the show 971 00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:31,520 Speaker 1: got is like, include more people of color, but then 972 00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:35,520 Speaker 1: the optics of like a working class black woman being 973 00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:39,480 Speaker 1: hired to work for a rich white lady, those optics 974 00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:44,040 Speaker 1: are not. I honestly also think they just really wanted 975 00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:48,040 Speaker 1: Jennifer Hudson on the soundtrack, and like that may have 976 00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:50,640 Speaker 1: actually trumped the fact that they were like, we need 977 00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:53,000 Speaker 1: a black person on the show, and this is like 978 00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:56,440 Speaker 1: peak Jennifer Hudson and I she had already won an Oscar. 979 00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:59,720 Speaker 1: I think they got her post Oscar to just like 980 00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:04,240 Speaker 1: be yeah, I truly, I mean, I just like stand 981 00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:06,720 Speaker 1: Jennifer Hudson heart and I did not know she was 982 00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:09,520 Speaker 1: in this movie. She is not used to her full talent, 983 00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:12,560 Speaker 1: and I feel like her role is essentially I mean 984 00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:15,480 Speaker 1: like you could even argue I think, and you know, 985 00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:17,280 Speaker 1: everyone's sound off in the comments, but I feel like 986 00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:18,920 Speaker 1: you could even reduce it to like kind of a 987 00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:21,480 Speaker 1: white savior narrative of like she applies for this assistant 988 00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:24,000 Speaker 1: job and then Carrie, you know, lifts her up and 989 00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:26,200 Speaker 1: like gives her a bag and like all the ship 990 00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:29,960 Speaker 1: and ugliest bag I've ever seen a very bad bag there. 991 00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:33,680 Speaker 1: But I feel like this is another like symptom of 992 00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:36,680 Speaker 1: this and kind of as an extension of what Hunter 993 00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:40,520 Speaker 1: is saying, Like it's a symptom of a show made 994 00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:44,240 Speaker 1: in the nineties that was super white, very clearly not 995 00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:48,200 Speaker 1: conscious of the fact that, like television needs to be 996 00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:51,880 Speaker 1: fucking inclusive because everyone's watching it and then trying to 997 00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:54,720 Speaker 1: course correct way too late. I feel like there's like 998 00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:58,280 Speaker 1: a similar like another big nineties show, Friends, ever heard 999 00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:02,640 Speaker 1: of a bit like they did? I just like fact Checks, 1000 01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:06,960 Speaker 1: they added a black character in season nine of that show. 1001 01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,959 Speaker 1: Aisha Tyler joined the cast in like the last two 1002 01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:13,400 Speaker 1: seasons of that show, and it just and like, even 1003 01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,440 Speaker 1: though like Jennifer Hudson does like as much as she 1004 01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:18,800 Speaker 1: possibly can with what she's given, and so did Aisha 1005 01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:22,040 Speaker 1: Tyler's just like too little, too late to course correct 1006 01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:24,280 Speaker 1: when you're that deep into something and we're you know, 1007 01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:26,360 Speaker 1: when this comes out, We're ten years deep into Sex 1008 01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:29,480 Speaker 1: in the City, and this is the first woman of 1009 01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:33,960 Speaker 1: color that is included meaningfully. And it's like, I mean 1010 01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:38,720 Speaker 1: reflected by your recap, Like she is very easily removed 1011 01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:42,919 Speaker 1: from the plot without much happening. She organizes Carrie's life 1012 01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:45,120 Speaker 1: a little bit. Also, she is, she teaches, she does, 1013 01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:48,440 Speaker 1: she checks email for she makes her a better website 1014 01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:52,400 Speaker 1: because she she squares a computer science major. Why is 1015 01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:57,240 Speaker 1: she getting a job as an assistant to Carrie Bradshaw. 1016 01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:00,320 Speaker 1: That doesn't make well. She is a woman in STEMP 1017 01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:04,560 Speaker 1: number one computer science is letter. Oh yes, I was 1018 01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:09,560 Speaker 1: like which letter? But yeah, So she gets this job 1019 01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:14,560 Speaker 1: that she's overqualified for. I don't know why she applies. 1020 01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:17,040 Speaker 1: I mean this one. I mean it's like, this is 1021 01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:20,680 Speaker 1: the recession. That's how I testified it. I was like, well, 1022 01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:22,840 Speaker 1: you know, people would graduate degrees. But I think it 1023 01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:26,240 Speaker 1: was shot pre recession. I think it was shot like 1024 01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:30,439 Speaker 1: sub primari crazy. Hang on, let me find because so 1025 01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:33,640 Speaker 1: there's this whole storyline where Carrie does this photo shoot 1026 01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:36,000 Speaker 1: for Vogue, and then a little bit later on into 1027 01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:39,440 Speaker 1: the movie, she is looking at the stack of magazines 1028 01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:41,600 Speaker 1: she has, and on top of her issue of Vogue, 1029 01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:46,560 Speaker 1: there is an issue of Forbes magazine and on the 1030 01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:50,520 Speaker 1: cover it says, how long before our real estate bubble pops? 1031 01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:55,200 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I mean, what has to be? Like? 1032 01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:57,560 Speaker 1: Did you see tex in the city. We called this 1033 01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:03,760 Speaker 1: right because this movie came out. The housing market you've 1034 01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:13,800 Speaker 1: officially crashed on December eight. Mother, it's their fault. Do 1035 01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:16,080 Speaker 1: you think that Big and Carry going to lose their 1036 01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:19,120 Speaker 1: apartment because of the housing ball? But I mean probably 1037 01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:25,600 Speaker 1: he was I'm guessing this like finance guy in the 1038 01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:30,240 Speaker 1: bank he got hit by an egg during Occupy Wall stage. 1039 01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:35,720 Speaker 1: I just think, but but so Carrie sees this magazine, 1040 01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:38,000 Speaker 1: but she like kind of moves it to the side. 1041 01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:42,640 Speaker 1: She she had just read the article and done something 1042 01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:46,760 Speaker 1: about it, we wouldn't have been a yeah, I was 1043 01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:51,120 Speaker 1: thinking that. Instead, she's like boys boys boys, I mean, 1044 01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:55,520 Speaker 1: and even Jennifer Hudson's character ends up leaving New York 1045 01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:57,720 Speaker 1: for a man to get married. I mean, well, that's 1046 01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,640 Speaker 1: that's how her characters introduced. Is the reason Carrie hires 1047 01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:03,600 Speaker 1: her is because Jennifer Hudson is like how to break up? Yeah, 1048 01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:05,520 Speaker 1: She's just like I came here to fall in love 1049 01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:07,760 Speaker 1: and carry is like, I'm also stupid. You want to 1050 01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:11,160 Speaker 1: be my employee? Like, it is not a good beginning 1051 01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:13,960 Speaker 1: to affriendicip. I mean, it's a Jennifer Hudson is very 1052 01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:15,600 Speaker 1: good at her job even, I mean it's like her 1053 01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:18,320 Speaker 1: job is just checking email. She's great at her job. 1054 01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:24,360 Speaker 1: She rents bags, she has, she loves her now. I 1055 01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:26,280 Speaker 1: think it was a joke then, but it's real now. 1056 01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:32,520 Speaker 1: And Carrie does, to someone's credit, say like many many 1057 01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:37,000 Speaker 1: times you say to me, yeah, it's just I mean, 1058 01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:40,080 Speaker 1: it's like, after ten years, you're like, this is the 1059 01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:43,520 Speaker 1: best we can do. And Michael Patrick King, who is 1060 01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:47,400 Speaker 1: the creator of Sex in the City, he is a 1061 01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:50,880 Speaker 1: queer white man. He has a really I mean, you 1062 01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:53,280 Speaker 1: could look at up. He has a very bad track 1063 01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:57,760 Speaker 1: record of it's like he's perpetually in. He can't get out, 1064 01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:01,840 Speaker 1: he's trapped. What else has he done? He also created 1065 01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:06,200 Speaker 1: Two Broke Girls, UM, which also which had sometime in 1066 01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:10,920 Speaker 1: had like a storyline that addressed race because it's another 1067 01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:14,720 Speaker 1: show that's helped by straight white women and uh that 1068 01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:18,520 Speaker 1: by the time it had came around, he got blowback 1069 01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:22,439 Speaker 1: and dealt with it. You're never gonna guess extremely poorly um, 1070 01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:25,800 Speaker 1: And so it is one of those things where it's 1071 01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:29,680 Speaker 1: just like, yeah, he's trapped in the nineties and refuses 1072 01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:32,960 Speaker 1: to learn and now there are consequences for it. It's 1073 01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:34,920 Speaker 1: so I mean, because he also directed this movie, he 1074 01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:38,280 Speaker 1: was one of the co writers on it. And then like, 1075 01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:43,440 Speaker 1: the way queerness is handled is strange to me and 1076 01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:46,920 Speaker 1: does still feels very stuck in the nineties. There's a 1077 01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:49,320 Speaker 1: lot of criticism around that too. Yeah, where it's like 1078 01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:52,520 Speaker 1: you're like you're saying mostly queer menu. But j T 1079 01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:56,400 Speaker 1: was telling me, who made me watch this movie? Also 1080 01:04:56,480 --> 01:05:00,640 Speaker 1: made me watch Twilight. But he was like brave, Like, 1081 01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:02,919 Speaker 1: I'm so attached to the show. I love this show 1082 01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:05,960 Speaker 1: because it was one of the first mainstream pieces of 1083 01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:10,360 Speaker 1: media that gave visibility to and that normalized gay men 1084 01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:12,960 Speaker 1: existing in the world. So I was like, okay, like 1085 01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:16,720 Speaker 1: kudos to the show for that. But then like, I 1086 01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:19,040 Speaker 1: don't know, I just I feel like some of the 1087 01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:22,480 Speaker 1: gay male characters that we meet are just like steeped 1088 01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:25,720 Speaker 1: in stereotypes there. I mean, I think that's just like 1089 01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:29,760 Speaker 1: another way that this show is like perpetually in where 1090 01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:33,640 Speaker 1: that was a big deal in queer characters to be 1091 01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:36,280 Speaker 1: acknowledged into any way, and then by the time oh 1092 01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:38,960 Speaker 1: eight comes around, it's just like, well, this is now 1093 01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:43,200 Speaker 1: a really dated and like boring and offensive way to 1094 01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:47,000 Speaker 1: write queer characters, like get your ship Together. One thing 1095 01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:50,200 Speaker 1: I like about the movie I will say, is that 1096 01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:53,400 Speaker 1: it is about you know, it's like about a group 1097 01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:59,440 Speaker 1: of women over forty, which you'd never see in a movie. Um, 1098 01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:02,080 Speaker 1: So I like that. I like that there are women 1099 01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:06,200 Speaker 1: over forty that are treated by the movie as sexually 1100 01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:10,240 Speaker 1: like hot and their sex lives are important, and I 1101 01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:13,440 Speaker 1: feel like that is like the strength of this entire 1102 01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:16,440 Speaker 1: like series as it started, Like women over thirty are 1103 01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:20,040 Speaker 1: not like shrews are horrible if they're not married by 1104 01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:23,680 Speaker 1: a certain age. And now you know, like the benefit 1105 01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:26,000 Speaker 1: of it being two thousand eight is like, you know, 1106 01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:28,440 Speaker 1: Samantha turned fifty at the end of the movie and 1107 01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:32,479 Speaker 1: Curious forty, and that is like addressed and you see 1108 01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:35,080 Speaker 1: them not just be okay with it, but you also 1109 01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:37,880 Speaker 1: see them struggle with it a little bit, which feels 1110 01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:42,080 Speaker 1: pretty realistic. And so that part that I liked. Yeah, 1111 01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:45,920 Speaker 1: they're also at least Carrie is on like the receiving 1112 01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:49,520 Speaker 1: end of some weird like ageist comments from a woman 1113 01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:54,320 Speaker 1: who is over but she's like, you can help to 1114 01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:58,760 Speaker 1: prove women everywhere that a woman over forty can get married, 1115 01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:03,000 Speaker 1: and then she makes a weird Dan Arbists reference that 1116 01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:07,320 Speaker 1: I had to look up. Weird. She's like, yeah, you 1117 01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:10,760 Speaker 1: can get photographed and it won't you won't look like 1118 01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:14,160 Speaker 1: a circus freak for now. But if you're even a 1119 01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:17,040 Speaker 1: little bit older than you are and you get photographed 1120 01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:19,439 Speaker 1: in a wedding dress, then you will look like a 1121 01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:22,800 Speaker 1: freak and like it just it was such a weird 1122 01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:26,400 Speaker 1: that is why, Okay, not to get back to defending 1123 01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:30,720 Speaker 1: Carey for hitting him with the bouquet, but to get 1124 01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:33,040 Speaker 1: back to that that was like I felt like that 1125 01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:36,320 Speaker 1: was set up in a lot of ways, including that 1126 01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:41,440 Speaker 1: she was pressured by Candice Bergen, classic movie villain. We've 1127 01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:46,040 Speaker 1: all seen Miss congeniality, um so like but we we 1128 01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:49,439 Speaker 1: we saw her be pressured into this Vogue shoot, which 1129 01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:53,320 Speaker 1: is obviously a huge champagne problem, but like she is 1130 01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:55,640 Speaker 1: pressured into doing it. It doesn't seem like she wants 1131 01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:57,680 Speaker 1: to do it at first, and she's like and then like, 1132 01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:01,920 Speaker 1: you know, this guy's he's fucking flake, Like I shouldn't 1133 01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:05,040 Speaker 1: do a Vogue shoot. He constantly bails on me. We 1134 01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:09,200 Speaker 1: have serious relationship problems. But but then Kennisbergen goes into 1135 01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:12,320 Speaker 1: this wild age is rant as a woman over sixty five, 1136 01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:15,200 Speaker 1: and she's just like, no, I mean, you're basically dead, 1137 01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:17,600 Speaker 1: so you should be grateful that I'm offering this to you. 1138 01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:20,519 Speaker 1: So I feel like she's pressured into that, and then 1139 01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:22,679 Speaker 1: she does that, so I do feel like they're okay. 1140 01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:26,200 Speaker 1: I feel like in a way not to relate with Carrie. 1141 01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:30,040 Speaker 1: But I feel like perhaps Carrie feels like she is 1142 01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:36,679 Speaker 1: representing uh woman over forty who is like desirable and 1143 01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:39,800 Speaker 1: like worthy of getting married, and you know, like I 1144 01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:44,120 Speaker 1: feel like she is representing more than herself, so that 1145 01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:47,400 Speaker 1: when Mr Big bails on her for the five thousandth times, 1146 01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:50,360 Speaker 1: it's not only the frustration of like you fucking suck, 1147 01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:53,760 Speaker 1: but it's also like I was representing this thing and 1148 01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:56,599 Speaker 1: now you made me, now you don't. It's not only 1149 01:08:56,720 --> 01:09:00,320 Speaker 1: me failing, it's like a bunch of people that are 1150 01:09:00,320 --> 01:09:02,760 Speaker 1: going to feel bad that this didn't work out, and 1151 01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:06,519 Speaker 1: you're proving a point. You're proving that, like women who 1152 01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:09,599 Speaker 1: are older should not be brides in this way, because 1153 01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:11,760 Speaker 1: I do think. I mean, I've been looking at a 1154 01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:15,519 Speaker 1: lot of Bridle magazines lately and it's extremely agist. And 1155 01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:18,080 Speaker 1: even when I went to try on dresses I tried 1156 01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:20,640 Speaker 1: to address, it was like very simple and like slinky, 1157 01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:22,320 Speaker 1: and I was like, this is more like a second 1158 01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:26,479 Speaker 1: wedding dress, Like you're you do have to like I 1159 01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:29,880 Speaker 1: have eight bridesmaids and I'm like, I'm too old for that. 1160 01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:34,320 Speaker 1: Like a wedding is a very juvenile thing, even though 1161 01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:38,040 Speaker 1: it's grown ups doing it. It's very silly get at 1162 01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:42,200 Speaker 1: the end. So it is. I do think in a 1163 01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:44,720 Speaker 1: lot of ways the movie was trying to address that, 1164 01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:47,360 Speaker 1: like no matter what age you are, if you're rich, 1165 01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:50,880 Speaker 1: you can where whatever you want. And that was sort 1166 01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:53,680 Speaker 1: of like a fashion note how big your wedding can be. 1167 01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:59,839 Speaker 1: But the age and the wedding was definitely unintentional, perhaps 1168 01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:03,200 Speaker 1: at a significant like plot point that I think a 1169 01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:07,840 Speaker 1: lot of people could see themselves in sure. I think 1170 01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:11,080 Speaker 1: for me, like the fact that she, you know, is 1171 01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:14,880 Speaker 1: over forty and that being like the one way that 1172 01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:22,639 Speaker 1: she experiences any sort of like marginalization in the Yeah, 1173 01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:27,519 Speaker 1: but but you've really come over to the dark side there, 1174 01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:31,280 Speaker 1: like yeah, but we're in there, We're I mean, I 1175 01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:34,919 Speaker 1: like I saw I was seeing Mary Poppins the movie started, 1176 01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:38,080 Speaker 1: and a man thirty seconds into the movie he turns 1177 01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:42,680 Speaker 1: to his girlfriend and goes, it's a musical, and it's like, 1178 01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:45,160 Speaker 1: how did you not know that? And of course it 1179 01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:48,400 Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense that penguins tap dance, but like 1180 01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:51,240 Speaker 1: in this world it does. So like the sex in 1181 01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:54,719 Speaker 1: the city, world is fucked up, but like in the world, 1182 01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:58,200 Speaker 1: the things do make sense, right, I suppose I just 1183 01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:00,800 Speaker 1: have to learn to suspend my different She has a 1184 01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:06,479 Speaker 1: three pillow. I can't, but like, I would get that, really, 1185 01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:08,960 Speaker 1: of course is it? I don't. I didn't remember that. 1186 01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:12,000 Speaker 1: That's like half of my rent um. Yeah, I would 1187 01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:17,000 Speaker 1: get a and we hate you for it. There's a 1188 01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:20,040 Speaker 1: silk pillow. I don't know why she say. She just 1189 01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:23,559 Speaker 1: said it was like Samantha's dog is humping a pillow. 1190 01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:27,040 Speaker 1: She's like, by the way, that tony dog narrative. Oh, 1191 01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:29,800 Speaker 1: I honestly, I would not get a three pillow to 1192 01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:31,840 Speaker 1: put on a couch. I would get a three pillow 1193 01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:36,040 Speaker 1: to sleep on, and I hope that makes me more relatable. 1194 01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:39,280 Speaker 1: I wouldn't get a three hundred dollar pillow, but I 1195 01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:41,840 Speaker 1: would get a horny dog. And I have gotten a 1196 01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:45,240 Speaker 1: horny dog. And I was like, oh, here, here we are. 1197 01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:48,439 Speaker 1: Maybe every time they would do something fucking stupid, I'm like, 1198 01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:52,200 Speaker 1: maybe i'm this person because I'm stupid. Um, here's a 1199 01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:56,240 Speaker 1: few things I like. You see women eating a lot, Yes, 1200 01:11:56,360 --> 01:11:58,880 Speaker 1: you rarely get I mean they are shamed for it, 1201 01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:02,799 Speaker 1: but they dewey and uh yeah, there is more body 1202 01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:07,400 Speaker 1: shaming than you would think. But shame for body hair 1203 01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:12,200 Speaker 1: shamed for Samantha having gained a little bit of weight. Um, 1204 01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:15,360 Speaker 1: but you see women eating in several different scenes and 1205 01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:20,280 Speaker 1: that is rare. Carrie hate doesn't cook, hates to cook, 1206 01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:23,200 Speaker 1: And I liked that because as another person who hates 1207 01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:28,679 Speaker 1: to cook, I think that's important visibility for webbing. Yeah. Um, 1208 01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:32,439 Speaker 1: I like that. The engagement between Big and Carry. Isn't 1209 01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:37,320 Speaker 1: this like overly dramatic, like big romantic gesture uh as 1210 01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:40,559 Speaker 1: Carrie says, It's two adults making a decision, which I 1211 01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:45,320 Speaker 1: think is maybe how more engagements should go handled, very mature, 1212 01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:50,040 Speaker 1: but sure, do you want to be in it or 1213 01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:51,639 Speaker 1: do you want to be on the ground looking up? 1214 01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:55,200 Speaker 1: I want to wake up in the okay you want? 1215 01:12:56,439 --> 01:12:59,160 Speaker 1: I want my bed to have been placed in and 1216 01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:03,080 Speaker 1: wake up in the limp. Well, but then at the end, 1217 01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:06,519 Speaker 1: Big is like, oh man, we decided to get married 1218 01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:09,559 Speaker 1: and it was like all business, no romance, and that's 1219 01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:12,280 Speaker 1: like framed as a mistake. But I feel like, I mean, 1220 01:13:12,439 --> 01:13:15,920 Speaker 1: marriage is just like a business transaction right well, and 1221 01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:18,280 Speaker 1: like the when they all have a say, and like 1222 01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:20,960 Speaker 1: it's very strange to me in archaic that like it's 1223 01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:24,479 Speaker 1: like the man is deciding when in most relationships. The 1224 01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:27,560 Speaker 1: men decide nothing because they can't think about anything but themselves, 1225 01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:30,479 Speaker 1: so it's sort of is the one thing they have 1226 01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:32,840 Speaker 1: to do and they usually sunk it up. But it's like, 1227 01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:35,840 Speaker 1: it shouldn't the woman be a part of this conversation 1228 01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:38,800 Speaker 1: all the That was like when another thing that I 1229 01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:40,800 Speaker 1: sort of was hit on, because it's like, I I 1230 01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:42,560 Speaker 1: tried to watch this movie and meet sex in the 1231 01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:44,960 Speaker 1: city on its terms, which is like, you know, like 1232 01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:50,440 Speaker 1: vapid materialism, and it is like if we have limitless resources, 1233 01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:53,599 Speaker 1: which all of these women do. Carrie wanted a big, 1234 01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:58,240 Speaker 1: fancy wedding and Big says repeatedly, I love you for 1235 01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:00,320 Speaker 1: who you are. I love you, I take you you are. 1236 01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:02,640 Speaker 1: But when she says, well I want this, that's not 1237 01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:05,000 Speaker 1: okay with them, and that bothers him and that I 1238 01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:07,080 Speaker 1: don't know that bothered me too. Of like it isn't 1239 01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:11,120 Speaker 1: until she there is no compromise. It's not like we'll 1240 01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:13,120 Speaker 1: have a mid sized wedding, which would have been a 1241 01:14:13,439 --> 01:14:15,559 Speaker 1: you know, an adult discussion of like she wants a 1242 01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:18,960 Speaker 1: bajillion people. He was like, let's have you know, fifty people, 1243 01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:22,160 Speaker 1: But she ends up doing exactly what he wanted. In 1244 01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:24,760 Speaker 1: the first place, which is to go to the courthouse, 1245 01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:28,240 Speaker 1: and that's like, oh, now she can be married because 1246 01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:31,559 Speaker 1: she compromised, rejected her own dream and it's like, I 1247 01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:34,960 Speaker 1: know the weddings are silly, but that is part of 1248 01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:38,880 Speaker 1: why my parents marriage failed. But she thought that sue 1249 01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:42,000 Speaker 1: and showed it to everybody and they were all like no. 1250 01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:47,120 Speaker 1: So in some ways she did want something more simple, 1251 01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:50,559 Speaker 1: but no pun intended. She got carried away and the 1252 01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:53,800 Speaker 1: guest lest started growing because I think she started to 1253 01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:58,520 Speaker 1: and we all sometimes do this. She started to get attention, 1254 01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:01,479 Speaker 1: and she liked the attend chin of being a bride, 1255 01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:03,479 Speaker 1: and at first I think she thought it was silly 1256 01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:07,479 Speaker 1: to be a bride. So I think she was happy 1257 01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:10,360 Speaker 1: in both camps, and she was happy on the camp 1258 01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:16,559 Speaker 1: that made him want to marry her. Here's another thing 1259 01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:21,439 Speaker 1: I like. Um, I like that Samantha doesn't believe in marriage. 1260 01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:25,320 Speaker 1: That's something also nice visibility from someone who again hates 1261 01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:28,800 Speaker 1: to cook and doesn't want to get married. I like 1262 01:15:29,160 --> 01:15:32,240 Speaker 1: the male gaze is flipped and you see I suppose 1263 01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:37,080 Speaker 1: hetero female gaze where Samantha is looking at her neighbor 1264 01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:41,559 Speaker 1: and then although you do see his dick and that 1265 01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:47,800 Speaker 1: is great good. I loved it. I mean, if you 1266 01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:49,960 Speaker 1: see a dick in a movie, it's almost always like 1267 01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:55,040 Speaker 1: a gross out joke. It's literally, yeah, but you see 1268 01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:58,000 Speaker 1: like some some hetero female gaze dick, and I realized 1269 01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:02,800 Speaker 1: sexualized dick. Although I will argue that her spying on 1270 01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:05,760 Speaker 1: her neighbors fucking is extremely illegal and she should be 1271 01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:10,080 Speaker 1: in jail. Course, but she's also in Malibu and they're 1272 01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:12,880 Speaker 1: like having sex in front of a window, so they 1273 01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:17,040 Speaker 1: think they wanted their neighbors to see. Yeah, yeah, and 1274 01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:20,559 Speaker 1: and I do like that. She, however corny it was. 1275 01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:24,160 Speaker 1: I liked her monologue when she breaks up with her boyfriend, 1276 01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:27,360 Speaker 1: saying like, I like myself, I don't want to be 1277 01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:31,200 Speaker 1: in a long term relationship. By do you want the ring? No? 1278 01:16:31,479 --> 01:16:34,000 Speaker 1: I like that. She also this is so small, but 1279 01:16:34,240 --> 01:16:37,160 Speaker 1: he there's this whole stupid ass thing with a ring. Anyways, 1280 01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:39,960 Speaker 1: she is like, do you want the ring bag? And 1281 01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:41,960 Speaker 1: he's like no, and she if it were me, I 1282 01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:43,360 Speaker 1: would have been like, are you sure? Are you sure? 1283 01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:45,320 Speaker 1: Are you sure? And she's like, okay, well I'll think 1284 01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:47,799 Speaker 1: of you. When I look at it, I was like, oh, 1285 01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:49,320 Speaker 1: that would be it would be fun. To be that 1286 01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:54,439 Speaker 1: bitch for one minute, it would Does anyone have any 1287 01:16:54,439 --> 01:16:59,120 Speaker 1: other thoughts about this movie? Boy? Oh boy, I feel 1288 01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:02,200 Speaker 1: like I we skipped stuff. Oh there's a scene where 1289 01:17:02,240 --> 01:17:06,880 Speaker 1: like Miranda has left Steve and she's looking for an 1290 01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:10,680 Speaker 1: apartment and what I think is Chinatown another racist and 1291 01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:13,280 Speaker 1: she's just like, oh, I don't want to live here. 1292 01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:16,360 Speaker 1: Look there's a white guy. I'll follow him, and like, 1293 01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:20,960 Speaker 1: only can go. I mean, Miranda for years has been 1294 01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:24,559 Speaker 1: like Brooklyn, and then you see her in Brooklyn and 1295 01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:27,519 Speaker 1: it's like, you're in like a five million dollar town house. 1296 01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:33,000 Speaker 1: So I guess this was okay, but she still is 1297 01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:35,800 Speaker 1: like I cannot believe I have to live here. So 1298 01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:39,360 Speaker 1: I don't know what Miranda's issue with um real estate is, 1299 01:17:39,439 --> 01:17:43,120 Speaker 1: but it's it's it's deep. Yes, She's The last thing 1300 01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:45,519 Speaker 1: I'll say is it took me. I had to watch 1301 01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:49,799 Speaker 1: the scene where Samantha, Like, there's the storyline where Samantha 1302 01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:52,080 Speaker 1: is unhappy that she can't suck her neighbor. She wants 1303 01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:54,360 Speaker 1: to get out of her relationship, and so she gains 1304 01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:57,000 Speaker 1: ten pounds. She did not gain ten pounds though, No 1305 01:17:57,120 --> 01:17:59,760 Speaker 1: for sure to show her eating cake twice and then 1306 01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:02,439 Speaker 1: like put her in pants that are too tight and yeah, 1307 01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:04,600 Speaker 1: and then it just like, I mean all the implications 1308 01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:07,559 Speaker 1: that like any manner of gaining weight indicates that you 1309 01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:10,519 Speaker 1: are like depressed or something is wrong with you. Yeah, 1310 01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:13,200 Speaker 1: like there so that whole like it didn't look like 1311 01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:16,160 Speaker 1: she had gained weight, and everyone is like low key 1312 01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:20,680 Speaker 1: mortified when she looks I think truly exactly this and 1313 01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:24,559 Speaker 1: is a cancer survive her on the show, like why 1314 01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:27,280 Speaker 1: is this what we're freaking out about? And then like 1315 01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:30,360 Speaker 1: Carrie makes this just like this made me so annoyed, 1316 01:18:30,439 --> 01:18:33,880 Speaker 1: where Carrie makes this little comment where she's like, honestly, 1317 01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:37,200 Speaker 1: I think you would look beautiful at any size, but 1318 01:18:37,400 --> 01:18:40,800 Speaker 1: like what the fuck? Like You're just like you don't 1319 01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:43,840 Speaker 1: fucking mean that, you like liar, Like it just it 1320 01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:46,760 Speaker 1: was so unnecessary and it just yeah, I mean, just 1321 01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:50,160 Speaker 1: like everything I dislike about this movie is like yeah, 1322 01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:53,760 Speaker 1: because that's what people from would have not blinked an 1323 01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:57,799 Speaker 1: i at. And that is why this movie sucks, because 1324 01:18:57,880 --> 01:19:00,800 Speaker 1: it came out ten years after it was intended to 1325 01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:04,479 Speaker 1: and in contact, even in context, it makes no sense. 1326 01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:07,040 Speaker 1: And it makes sense to me that it was like 1327 01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:10,280 Speaker 1: poorly received, even though it does all the fan service. 1328 01:19:10,479 --> 01:19:15,559 Speaker 1: Everyone is still using like cordless phones and like where's 1329 01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:19,360 Speaker 1: your sidekick? Like, who it's two thousand and eight. Are 1330 01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:22,360 Speaker 1: they gen xers? Is that what generation they are? No? 1331 01:19:22,479 --> 01:19:25,480 Speaker 1: I think they might actually be boomers. I mean, Samantha's 1332 01:19:25,479 --> 01:19:28,760 Speaker 1: a boomer, Samantha, and then I think the rest are 1333 01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:33,799 Speaker 1: gen xers, maybe legally, but like they behave like boomer 1334 01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:36,880 Speaker 1: I'm like, and then all the children are millennials. And 1335 01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:40,120 Speaker 1: Brady's actually running. I mean it's so. I mean Miranda 1336 01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:43,320 Speaker 1: ran for governor, right, yeah, I mean, and it's like 1337 01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:47,400 Speaker 1: at least there, you know, Like Cynthia Nixon is like 1338 01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:51,160 Speaker 1: an out actor and I mean I don't know how No, 1339 01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:53,200 Speaker 1: I mean she plays a strict care who knows. Yeah, 1340 01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:55,360 Speaker 1: she's openly queer. She's married to a woman. And then 1341 01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:57,080 Speaker 1: she also speaks out quite a bit about like by 1342 01:19:57,200 --> 01:20:01,000 Speaker 1: eraser because she identifies as by sexual, speaks out about that. 1343 01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:04,439 Speaker 1: I like her. I like her. Yeah, there, there's there 1344 01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:10,040 Speaker 1: there God. I that's all I'll say. I've simply had it. 1345 01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:12,040 Speaker 1: We're not going to do the second movie. It's the 1346 01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:15,439 Speaker 1: last time it will come up on the show. Well, 1347 01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:17,600 Speaker 1: should we determine whether or not the movie passes to 1348 01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:21,600 Speaker 1: the back toel tests by our standards of just like 1349 01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:24,439 Speaker 1: a two line exchange would not as much as it 1350 01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:32,040 Speaker 1: should's about four women and every conversation they have. Even 1351 01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:34,360 Speaker 1: if there is a two line exchange that is not 1352 01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:36,920 Speaker 1: about a man, that usually end up talking about a 1353 01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:43,840 Speaker 1: man eventually, or the Christmas shadow subtext, the context is 1354 01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:48,439 Speaker 1: almost always about men or had our relationships. So it's 1355 01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:52,320 Speaker 1: not the best it does it does. It's squakes. It 1356 01:20:52,439 --> 01:20:57,000 Speaker 1: squakes when they're fat shaming Samantha for not actually looking 1357 01:20:57,000 --> 01:21:03,120 Speaker 1: any different. It's whenever Samantha is body hair shaming. Miranda 1358 01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:07,000 Speaker 1: that being horrified by the first pube she's ever seen 1359 01:21:07,880 --> 01:21:10,280 Speaker 1: passes the backtal test. It's not as we say, it 1360 01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:13,920 Speaker 1: is not a perfect metric, but a perfect metric is 1361 01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:19,360 Speaker 1: our nipples skinning zero to five nipples based on its portrayal, 1362 01:21:19,439 --> 01:21:24,280 Speaker 1: treatment and representation of women. For this, I guess I'll 1363 01:21:24,320 --> 01:21:31,439 Speaker 1: give it like two. Does that sound good? I need 1364 01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:37,120 Speaker 1: validation from the crowd. There is it about a group 1365 01:21:37,200 --> 01:21:42,000 Speaker 1: of women celebrating their friendship? Is did it kind of? 1366 01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:47,840 Speaker 1: Did it help with the sex positivity movement? Arguably sort of? 1367 01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:51,240 Speaker 1: Did it do a lot of regressive stuff? As well. 1368 01:21:53,439 --> 01:21:55,360 Speaker 1: And yeah, just the fact that the women are just 1369 01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:59,759 Speaker 1: so all consumed by the men in their lives. They 1370 01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:05,120 Speaker 1: are again I would argue, playing into the trope and 1371 01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:11,080 Speaker 1: stereotype of like highly highly irrationally emotional women and being 1372 01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:16,960 Speaker 1: so overreactionary about everything, the entire erasure of people of color. 1373 01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:19,599 Speaker 1: There's like a quote in the very beginning I think 1374 01:22:19,720 --> 01:22:22,880 Speaker 1: she's carries doing like voice over about the auction that 1375 01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:27,040 Speaker 1: they go to, which is like a woman getting divorced 1376 01:22:27,040 --> 01:22:32,320 Speaker 1: and having nowhere to live, even though she like was 1377 01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:36,280 Speaker 1: a model and like all this stuff, like clearly had money. 1378 01:22:36,439 --> 01:22:39,280 Speaker 1: But meanwhile, like the homelessness problem in New York City 1379 01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:46,440 Speaker 1: is you know, yeah, why don't they address that homelessness? 1380 01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:51,439 Speaker 1: Says something like and an event that all types of 1381 01:22:51,479 --> 01:22:53,679 Speaker 1: New York women go to. And then you like see 1382 01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:59,880 Speaker 1: the crowd and it's just like thin, white, rich, right, 1383 01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:03,639 Speaker 1: and they're all they're buying the things of a woman 1384 01:23:03,880 --> 01:23:10,320 Speaker 1: down on hers. It's very dark, that whole atoll strange 1385 01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:15,479 Speaker 1: revenge narrative yild. So yeah, I mean there's some things 1386 01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:18,040 Speaker 1: to like about, you know. I like this Samantha, you know, 1387 01:23:18,200 --> 01:23:20,120 Speaker 1: just wants to go out there and fuck and doesn't 1388 01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:24,880 Speaker 1: believe in relationships, Carrie hates to cook, love those things 1389 01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:28,840 Speaker 1: everything else don't care for. So I might even bump 1390 01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:31,840 Speaker 1: it down to one and a half nipples. Yeah, yeah, 1391 01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:33,680 Speaker 1: I'm doing it one and half nipples. I'll give one 1392 01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:36,120 Speaker 1: to Cynthia Nixon and I'll give my half nipple to 1393 01:23:36,479 --> 01:23:40,120 Speaker 1: the dog who humps the pillow. Horny dog. Did the 1394 01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:42,200 Speaker 1: dog get a name? I was just calling horny dog 1395 01:23:42,240 --> 01:23:45,640 Speaker 1: in my notes, Um she name it? I feel like 1396 01:23:45,640 --> 01:23:47,519 Speaker 1: it doesn't. I think it had like a funny name. 1397 01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:49,680 Speaker 1: The dogs. The dogs treated like the children just in 1398 01:23:49,720 --> 01:23:53,000 Speaker 1: consequence them. I'm I'm gonna it's funny because I've been 1399 01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:55,000 Speaker 1: standing up for various plot wins. I'm gonna give it 1400 01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:57,760 Speaker 1: half a nipple. And if that I like this, I 1401 01:23:57,800 --> 01:24:00,400 Speaker 1: mean this is like French. I mean this, especially if 1402 01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:03,439 Speaker 1: we're talking about the movie. The movie is reflecting the 1403 01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:06,280 Speaker 1: values of ten years ago, so that's never gonna bear well, 1404 01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:10,840 Speaker 1: like it's just I mean sex adicity, like it was empowered, 1405 01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:14,479 Speaker 1: vaguely empowering to people for you know, like up until 1406 01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:17,479 Speaker 1: like two thousand two, maybe if you and then the 1407 01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:19,120 Speaker 1: L word came on and then you know, it's like 1408 01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:24,719 Speaker 1: there there's there's so much more to like see culture 1409 01:24:24,840 --> 01:24:27,320 Speaker 1: reflected in any way by the time this movie comes out, 1410 01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:30,519 Speaker 1: that it's I mean, the the only thing, I mean, 1411 01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:32,200 Speaker 1: the thing I can say for it is that it 1412 01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:35,840 Speaker 1: is for for its class issues. The women of Sex 1413 01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:38,479 Speaker 1: City are not here to fix homelessness. They are. It 1414 01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:43,439 Speaker 1: is a classist escape narrative, which I think does do 1415 01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:47,040 Speaker 1: something for for a lot of people. I mean, I 1416 01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:49,760 Speaker 1: I know, like people in my life who were just 1417 01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:53,000 Speaker 1: like you know, like I'm a poor person in Massachusetts 1418 01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:55,360 Speaker 1: and it is fun to like plug yourself into the 1419 01:24:55,400 --> 01:24:58,240 Speaker 1: problems of some random rich lady in New York and 1420 01:24:58,640 --> 01:25:02,840 Speaker 1: the escape narrative I not. I mean, I don't love it, 1421 01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:05,520 Speaker 1: but it's like, you know, that's a lot of entertainment. 1422 01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:08,599 Speaker 1: And sure, no one is Captain Marvel, but you can 1423 01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:14,439 Speaker 1: be for two hours. They're they're not. But so I like, 1424 01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:19,320 Speaker 1: I mean, there, I don't like it, but I appreciate it. 1425 01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:22,840 Speaker 1: If this movie come out, I would have given him 1426 01:25:22,840 --> 01:25:26,680 Speaker 1: more nipples, but it came out, like weirdly, way too late. 1427 01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:32,439 Speaker 1: Jennifer Hudson is criminally underused. I really like her and 1428 01:25:32,479 --> 01:25:35,240 Speaker 1: I look forward to our dream Girls episode. Is that 1429 01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:38,120 Speaker 1: I was to keep out for a lot of this movie. Um. 1430 01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:41,200 Speaker 1: And also it's also just a personal slight at the movie. 1431 01:25:41,200 --> 01:25:43,360 Speaker 1: How dare it be two and a half hours long? 1432 01:25:43,479 --> 01:25:47,920 Speaker 1: How dare it truly furious? If all the horrible things 1433 01:25:47,960 --> 01:25:49,720 Speaker 1: that happened in this movie, how long it goes on 1434 01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:53,639 Speaker 1: is by far the most offensive thing. Um. Yeah, we'll 1435 01:25:53,640 --> 01:25:56,760 Speaker 1: never watch it again. But I really do feel that 1436 01:25:56,800 --> 01:26:00,000 Speaker 1: she should have hit him with that bouquet and conclude 1437 01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:04,240 Speaker 1: Jean half nipple, giving it to Lily, who should have 1438 01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:08,360 Speaker 1: had more than two lines of dialogue. Oh boy, I 1439 01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:10,360 Speaker 1: was going to give it three, but now I can't. 1440 01:26:12,520 --> 01:26:16,000 Speaker 1: So I'll give it two nipples because, yeah, I guess 1441 01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:18,599 Speaker 1: you are right two thousand and eight. It's not woke 1442 01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:23,640 Speaker 1: enough for oh eight. Um, but I'm giving the nipples 1443 01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:28,800 Speaker 1: based on nostalgia and just you know, the fun it 1444 01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:32,519 Speaker 1: gave me as a young girl in Indiana trying to 1445 01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:37,080 Speaker 1: watch some sex on cable. Yeah, very good. Well, Megan, 1446 01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:40,920 Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us. Thank you. I 1447 01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:47,000 Speaker 1: can't wait. I can't wait to be back to do 1448 01:26:47,080 --> 01:26:50,880 Speaker 1: sex in the city too. I can't let's do really, 1449 01:26:50,920 --> 01:26:53,160 Speaker 1: I have I have high hopes through that one. Really 1450 01:26:53,439 --> 01:26:59,000 Speaker 1: zero nipples I've got fifty cents. Tell us where people 1451 01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:01,439 Speaker 1: can follow you online? What would you gosh? Listen, I 1452 01:27:01,479 --> 01:27:06,200 Speaker 1: just got my website fixed. Um, but you know what, 1453 01:27:06,320 --> 01:27:09,280 Speaker 1: it was actually fixed by a woman in New York. 1454 01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:13,120 Speaker 1: Um but a white woman, and UM, so you can 1455 01:27:13,160 --> 01:27:15,639 Speaker 1: go there. I don't update it, so just twitter at 1456 01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:18,080 Speaker 1: Megan Gailey m E J N g A, I L 1457 01:27:18,120 --> 01:27:20,400 Speaker 1: E y or gosh. I really don't put that much 1458 01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:23,000 Speaker 1: on there. I feel like Instagram Stories is the new Twitter, 1459 01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:26,960 Speaker 1: and so my Instagram is better. Megan Gailey. There was 1460 01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:32,640 Speaker 1: a Megan Gailey and I taught her the better one incredible. 1461 01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:36,800 Speaker 1: Give it up to Megan one last time. Give it 1462 01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:39,599 Speaker 1: up to the roomy for having us, Give it up 1463 01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:43,040 Speaker 1: to Sammy for recording, for give it up for Jez, 1464 01:27:44,080 --> 01:27:46,360 Speaker 1: give it up to the Ruby. Did I say that 1465 01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:51,439 Speaker 1: one already? Give it up for Caitlin's haircut? O. Yes, 1466 01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:58,360 Speaker 1: thanks for listening. A couple of things. One I wanted 1467 01:27:58,400 --> 01:28:01,320 Speaker 1: to clarify some things I said in the episode that 1468 01:28:01,400 --> 01:28:04,880 Speaker 1: I don't think I articulated as clearly as I wanted 1469 01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:09,680 Speaker 1: to when I was talking about women's emotions and reactions 1470 01:28:10,040 --> 01:28:16,080 Speaker 1: in the movie. I'm all for women expressing emotion, especially rage, 1471 01:28:16,120 --> 01:28:19,760 Speaker 1: because rage is an emotion that women are historically not 1472 01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:23,120 Speaker 1: allowed to show. I will once again recommend so Riyah 1473 01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:27,000 Speaker 1: Shmali's book Rage Becomes Her that goes into much more 1474 01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:30,960 Speaker 1: detail about that very topic. I am also all for 1475 01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:35,800 Speaker 1: women unleashing their rage on men when those men are 1476 01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:41,120 Speaker 1: behaving badly. For this movie, though, I just felt that 1477 01:28:41,160 --> 01:28:45,920 Speaker 1: women's emotions were used as plot devices to add more 1478 01:28:46,040 --> 01:28:49,280 Speaker 1: drama to the story, much the same way that the 1479 01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:53,000 Speaker 1: lead woman in the movie Forty Days and Forty Nights 1480 01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:57,640 Speaker 1: had wild, nonsensical overreactions to everything as a way to 1481 01:28:57,680 --> 01:28:59,639 Speaker 1: move the plot forward. We covered that movie. We talked 1482 01:28:59,680 --> 01:29:02,840 Speaker 1: about that on that episode. Go back to that for 1483 01:29:03,240 --> 01:29:06,280 Speaker 1: more of a discussion about that. I just don't like 1484 01:29:06,320 --> 01:29:10,280 Speaker 1: when that happens in film, where women's emotions and reactions 1485 01:29:10,280 --> 01:29:13,240 Speaker 1: are made to seem extremely over the top as a 1486 01:29:13,280 --> 01:29:17,839 Speaker 1: way to propel the story forward and add more drama 1487 01:29:18,120 --> 01:29:21,200 Speaker 1: to this situation. And that's what I felt happened in 1488 01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:24,439 Speaker 1: Sects in the City. The reactions that they were having 1489 01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:27,080 Speaker 1: at different points in this story just felt to me 1490 01:29:27,320 --> 01:29:33,639 Speaker 1: more like stereotypical hysteria that you sometimes see in flat, 1491 01:29:33,720 --> 01:29:39,120 Speaker 1: underdeveloped female characters. Because according to usually male writers, women 1492 01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:42,880 Speaker 1: be hysterical, so I just wanted to clarify my thoughts 1493 01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:45,640 Speaker 1: on that, so thank you for bearing with me. I 1494 01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:49,240 Speaker 1: also wanted to say thank you to our guest on 1495 01:29:49,280 --> 01:29:52,400 Speaker 1: the show, Megan Gaily. She was awesome. Thanks to the 1496 01:29:52,479 --> 01:29:56,080 Speaker 1: Ruby for having us, Thanks to Sammy for recording the 1497 01:29:56,120 --> 01:29:59,000 Speaker 1: live show. Thanks to everyone who attended the show. We 1498 01:29:59,040 --> 01:30:02,320 Speaker 1: always love having you there and meeting everyone who comes, 1499 01:30:02,560 --> 01:30:07,360 Speaker 1: so thanks once again to all those folks. 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