WEBVTT - Presumed Guilty w/ Dennis O'Hare 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:04.040 Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:06.840 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:08.879 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:11.280 These are our stories. Dune done. 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:30.760 Hi everyone, and welcome to That's Messed Up and Us 0:00:30.800 --> 0:00:31.720 Few podcast. 0:00:31.960 --> 0:00:34.400 I'm Kara Klank and I'm Liza Traeger. 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:37.040 Every week we talk about an episode of SVU the 0:00:37.040 --> 0:00:39.520 true Crimate's based on, and then we have a very 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:42.600 cool guest from the episode that we like. We haven't 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:45.000 hated any guests, to be honest, Yeah, I dare you 0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:47.280 to come on this podcast and let us hate you. Yeah, 0:00:47.400 --> 0:00:49.360 or did you think we hated someone? Let us know? 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:53.640 Why is this starting so negative? This is our holiday episode, Christmas. 0:00:53.120 --> 0:00:59.120 New Year Winters, jingle bells, everyone. I hope everybody's excited 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:01.400 for I don't know, at least some time off work. 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:03.800 I don't know if you're not like religious, which many 0:01:03.800 --> 0:01:06.720 of us are not, or you don't celebrate Christmas, but 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:08.080 I hope you know it's just like the end of 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:11.200 the year wind down New Year's I just always find 0:01:11.200 --> 0:01:13.279 it to be like a fun time. I'm of course 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:15.759 traveling cross country with my two children, so it will 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:16.360 be a nightmare. 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:18.080 But you know, but I hear. 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:21.319 People seem festive as fuck, because obviously last year was 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:23.720 a little different. So yeah, it does seem to be 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:27.120 like I'm invited to a few holiday parties. That's not 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:29.520 really what happens to me. I don't know, maybe it's 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:32.679 an LA thing, but I have holiday parties people, but 0:01:32.720 --> 0:01:36.000 there's not a lot of decorations. My mom asked if 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:38.160 the neighborhood is decorated, and it's not. 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:39.960 Well, it's going a little bit fast. 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:42.560 I'm noticing it only because Rosie is obsessed with the 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:46.480 holiday decorations, because she was very upset when Spooky season 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:48.840 ended and like all the spooky decorations went down. So 0:01:48.920 --> 0:01:52.040 now I'm kind of redirecting her to be obsessed with, like, 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:54.280 you know, all the reindeer and snowmen that are out, 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:56.640 and I'm noticing more and more houses every night are 0:01:56.720 --> 0:01:59.080 kind of popping up with some stuff like I'll tell 0:01:59.120 --> 0:02:01.200 you off, Mike butt between you and me, the walk 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:02.880 between you and me. There's a couple of houses that 0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:06.640 are popping off. All right, all right, look at that. 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:09.920 But you know what I was really reminiscing about like 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:12.720 holiday parties in elementary school. 0:02:12.840 --> 0:02:16.120 Like that was so exciting? Was that a big moment 0:02:16.120 --> 0:02:18.720 for you? Wait? But do you just mean it's school? Yeah? 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:22.560 Yeah, so fun and like candy canes and like little 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:24.960 though hershey kisses that come in the red and the 0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:26.560 green wrapping. 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:28.960 The tastes the same, but there's something different. No, but 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:31.440 I like that. Did you ever do the white kisses? 0:02:32.120 --> 0:02:32.520 Oh? Su? 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:35.520 And the peppermint ones? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah. 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:39.600 So our mutual cleaning person she you know, I've always 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:40.720 heard she brings gifts. 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:41.880 She did bring me a gift. 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:47.000 They are white marshmallow minty things. 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:49.280 God, she knew how to get right to your heart. 0:02:49.440 --> 0:02:49.760 I know. 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:53.680 And I'll eat them. But without chocolate, mintce not a dessert. 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:56.760 I just realized that, Like cause I love chocolate and 0:02:56.800 --> 0:02:59.440 mint so much, but without a little hint of chocolate, 0:02:59.560 --> 0:02:59.799 it is. 0:03:00.000 --> 0:03:01.680 It's like a tooth based marshmallow. 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:02.520 Hmm. 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:05.640 Interesting. I'm trying to think of anything I've had mint on. 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:07.799 I do like mint tea, but yeah, that doesn't count 0:03:07.800 --> 0:03:10.080 as a dessert to me. No, that's like when I 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:10.680 have a cold. 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:13.480 Oh but you know what we should do, Let's make 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:16.080 fucking s'mores with them. With a chocolate and then they 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:18.440 become a minty chocolate a thing. 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:21.440 That's a great idea. I only had a few of them. 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:22.600 We should totally do that. 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:26.360 Okay, great, I'm sure Rosie will want one for Christmas. 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:30.000 I'm a Jew, but I love decorations, I love festivities, 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:31.519 and I love an American Christmas. 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:32.280 And that's what I'm doing. 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:36.280 I'm going with some American friends to their cabin and 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:38.760 which I think they'll be snow so I'm excited. 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:40.280 Oh that's gonna be great. 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:41.760 I was just about to ask you what you were doing, 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:43.200 but I forgot. I know what you're doing that and 0:03:43.240 --> 0:03:46.280 then that be really cozy. And that town that they 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:49.280 live in is amazing. The mayor's a dog, I know. 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:52.880 So I'm gonna have a good time if a dog's 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:55.000 running things. But you know what I gotta tell you, 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:56.840 I think it's several dogs are the mayor. 0:03:57.120 --> 0:03:59.840 No, it's Mayor Max and he has a few friends. 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:03.040 Oh, somebody told me that there were several dogs that 0:04:03.040 --> 0:04:06.400 are the mayor of that town. I thought recently like 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:08.800 they switched them out, and somebody was like, that's oh, 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:12.240 deputy mayors, thank you. Annalise Onally's coming through with the 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:15.320 deputy mayor. I forgot that dogs are allowed to deputize 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:21.920 their front Literally, what are we talking about. Oh my god, 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:25.120 When I have a dog, it's gonna be awesome. Oh 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:28.000 my god, I'm going to carry it everywhere. What's your dream? 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:30.039 What's your dream? Little dog like a little mutt, or 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:33.000 like you have a dream breed? I would I would find, 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:36.479 like I would adopt. I would not shop. 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:40.440 But I know a person that's like a like a 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:44.160 dog specialist. I don't know, but he said, tiny, tiny 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:47.560 dogs that are cute are actually very easy to adopt 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:49.600 because people buy them as an accessory and give them 0:04:49.600 --> 0:04:52.680 away pretty often, so it's actually not as hard to 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:55.320 find like these sexy breeds that you might think you 0:04:55.360 --> 0:04:58.560 need to shop for. But I would want a Pomeranian, 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:02.800 a weenie dog, a little Chihuahua like a little guy. 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:05.400 And then one day I love Chihuahua. Yeah, I would 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:05.520 do it. 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:07.400 I'm never gonna have a dog in my life, but 0:05:07.440 --> 0:05:08.920 if I did, I would have a Chihuahua. 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:11.400 But what I will tell you about wiener dogs. 0:05:11.440 --> 0:05:13.240 And I don't know if this is just anecdotal from 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:15.800 a couple friends that have had them, they have horrible breath. 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:18.680 Not that any dog is like you want to make 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:20.479 out with them, but I've heard that wiener dogs have 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:21.000 bad breath. 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:24.240 That's interesting. I've been friends with a few. The Dalton's 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:27.479 wiener dog loves carrots, like that's his treat at the night, 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:28.960 they drop like a half a carrot. 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:32.919 Well, you remember my brother. You've met my brother And 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:34.480 I'm like, wait, when did you guys meet? And it's like, 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:37.440 oh yeah, the night that the Dalton's wiener dog escaped 0:05:37.480 --> 0:05:40.200 and we were all on the streets of Hollywood searching 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:42.640 for a dog that is, by the way, deaf, so 0:05:42.720 --> 0:05:44.880 you had to just spot the dog. The dog was 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:47.359 not gonna hear your voice calling his name. Yeah, that 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:49.880 was oh, thank god we found that dog. I thought 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:51.480 that the Daltons were going to die. 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:55.599 Well, yeah, I know they rest, But I want a 0:05:55.640 --> 0:05:59.000 Corgi in my life, in your heart of hearts, you 0:05:59.000 --> 0:05:59.719 want a Corgi. 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:01.240 Wow, you're so royal. 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:04.560 Yeah, I just like a little fuzzy idiot Like I 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:05.640 just and like a. 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:06.839 Smiling little dope. 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:11.440 And that's but a Corgi doesn't fulfill my fantasy of 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:13.560 being able to bring it everywhere. So that'll be a 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:17.280 later in lifetime, right right. Yeah, Like, look, I have 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:19.360 a home. I'm a little it's a little different. I 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:21.520 might have some other people to help take care of. 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:24.320 But sure, yeah, because you can't like throw a corky 0:06:24.400 --> 0:06:27.320 in your person like go off, who knows. I bet 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:30.520 you money we are gonna get some dms of people 0:06:30.560 --> 0:06:32.799 with like their corky in a reusable bag. 0:06:33.360 --> 0:06:35.880 But like, corkis are the animals that I lose my 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:38.159 shit over on the streets more often. 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:40.080 Oh, Jared loves corkies. 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:42.400 Yeah, Like when I see a corky, I'm like, oh, 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:43.680 like I get really. 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:46.479 Uh yeah, I think it's so funny. Their center of 0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:49.800 gravity is so low. Well that's like a Weeni dog too. 0:06:50.080 --> 0:06:51.760 And I like when they mix Corgies with other p 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:53.680 and then a Bernie Mountain dog is awesome. But I 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:55.920 refuse to pick up a big shit like that's not happening. 0:06:56.520 --> 0:06:58.640 Tiny tiny Pomeranian Shihuahua. 0:06:58.839 --> 0:06:59.360 No, I think. 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:01.880 I think New Finland's are very cute too, but it's 0:07:01.920 --> 0:07:04.599 like they drooled their hairs everywhere, like I can't. 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:07.000 I would even do as I said, a mini like 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:11.040 mini greyhound, I would do that. I would wishbone, a 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:12.880 Jack Wrussell Terrier wishbone. 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:14.440 I would get one of those, like a little guy. 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:15.280 I want a little guy. 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:19.760 Those those greyhounds are beautiful, those little they're so sleek 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:20.840 and like beautiful. 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:22.600 I don't know, I just love those little creatures. 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:25.800 There's a cool photo of Kylie Jenner with a bunch 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:27.400 of them, and it's a dream. 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:30.120 It's a it's a goal lifestyle goal. 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:34.240 I just heard something where like they posed for her 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:37.960 and Travis Scott, right, they posed for all these like 0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:40.120 photos together, but apparently in real life they're like not 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:41.720 a couple. 0:07:41.760 --> 0:07:45.360 They're just like co parenting, but they're not together. I 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:46.000 believe that. 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:47.880 But like, if you're going to be in a fake 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:51.200 relationship and just get sperm for someone, like, isn't there 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:53.800 better people you could have gotten it from? Like did 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:56.240 they get along and date eventually? Like what was it with? 0:07:56.360 --> 0:07:57.400 Maybe? I mean she. 0:07:57.360 --> 0:07:59.440 Probably just wants her kids to have be from maybe 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:01.280 the same people I know. 0:08:01.360 --> 0:08:04.640 But so they were together, Yes, yes. 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:06.520 I think they were together and like maybe, oh no, 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:07.840 people like Astra World. 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:09.240 Never mind, he is very to me. 0:08:09.320 --> 0:08:11.880 I'm just like, I don't know, he doesn't do it 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:16.160 was really bad well that's what the album was. I 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:18.960 remember people really liked him. Yeah, I don't know what's 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:20.200 gonna happen. But I also don't know. 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:22.120 But he had an album called Astro World. 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:26.080 Yeah, and like, baby, what the fuck is their baby's name? 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:30.800 Stormy Stormy at an Astro World a Stormy World themed. 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:34.040 First birthday party? Like it is? Uh, it's like a 0:08:34.080 --> 0:08:37.199 word he uses all the time. Oh so that's why. 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:39.800 Then that's what the festival is named after. I didn't 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:41.679 understand that. Yeah, okay, I didn't know that. 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:43.840 No, it's fucked up and these people are just bad 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:46.920 people like him denying it, Alec Baldwin saying it's not 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:48.760 his fault anymore, and he didn't pull the track. 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:50.760 It's like, what is up? 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:53.240 Like, you guys did terrible things feel but it's the 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:56.600 Erica Jane of it all. It's like, if you're not 0:08:56.640 --> 0:09:00.400 taking accountability over what you've done, I don't fuck you. 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:01.000 I don't know. 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:04.599 Yeah, this holiday season, take accountability for the crimes that 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:07.840 you've committed. That's our message from that's messed up. 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:11.760 I do have a gingerbread dress and it's like, which 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:13.200 party am I gonna wear it? 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:13.760 Too? Oh? 0:09:13.880 --> 0:09:16.000 Yes, Well we're doing something this week that you were 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:18.520 considering wearing it too, right, Yeah, maybe. 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:21.960 We're the there will be a store party and that, 0:09:22.080 --> 0:09:23.680 or do I save it for Christmas? But I do 0:09:23.760 --> 0:09:25.680 need to wear because I don't know if it's too early, 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:29.200 like weeks that we're taping this ahead of time, you know, 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:30.120 because of the holidays. 0:09:30.200 --> 0:09:35.559 You guys get it right, But. 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:36.920 By now you probably already saw the gingerbread dress on 0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:39.240 Instagram and you know that I wore it. 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:39.680 Yeah. 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:42.319 Well, I listened to a podcast called Rona and Beverly 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:44.520 Forever that I was obsessed with, and they used to 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:46.320 always say, we're in the time machine. We're in the 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:48.760 time machine, like they would always talk about like when 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:51.440 they were taping versus, like their interviews would be like 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:54.000 off of the time, like of when you think something happened, 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:56.480 they're like, we're in the time machine. Just so sometimes 0:09:56.480 --> 0:09:57.719 you guys have to understand that we're in the time. 0:09:57.760 --> 0:10:01.080 Yeah, because you know, Kara went away for Christmas. We'll 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:02.079 see what happens. 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:05.840 Yeah, But I mean, I just can't believe your siblings 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:08.760 won't even do a secret Santa Colin, if you're listening, 0:10:08.880 --> 0:10:12.120 what the fuck? Actually, No, I'll say Colin was kind 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:14.360 of pro It was my brothers, David and Kevin and 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:17.679 my sister Caitlin that were like, no, I don't get it. 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:20.080 I think Kevin has two kids and he's like, I 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:22.959 got enough going on. And David's like, just paid off 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:25.480 all of his students. My brother is debt free, just 0:10:25.520 --> 0:10:29.120 paid off all his student loans. I'm so happy for him. 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:31.960 Such a sick world that that I know. 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:35.560 I know he's like in his mid early mid thirties 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:38.640 and he's like, isn't that it sad that we all 0:10:39.160 --> 0:10:43.600 celebrated it on a text thread together? But anyway, what 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:46.920 is your What's this something that you're looking forward to 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:50.240 doing at Christmas? Is there like a Christmas song you like? 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:51.760 Is there a Christmas treat you? Like? 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:53.320 What's your Christmas thing? 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:57.200 I just I love any holiday where the point of 0:10:57.240 --> 0:11:03.880 the holiday is to lay around, eat, drink and do nothing. 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:08.600 So I want hot chocolate with peppermint schnops, Like, that's 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:10.480 definitely something that I need to do. 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:11.959 I know that my. 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:14.240 Friend is going to be making some sort of Italian 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:17.920 seafood soup on Christmas Eve, but I'm looking forward to 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:21.640 being in the mountains snow lounging, hot chocolate. You know 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:25.839 I love a gift stockings. Maybe well, I don't know 0:11:25.840 --> 0:11:28.400 if we'll watch The Family Stone, but that's the movie 0:11:28.480 --> 0:11:29.120 I like the most. 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:32.760 Yeah, oh you like that movie? Yeah, great, that's the 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:33.400 best one. 0:11:33.800 --> 0:11:36.600 But and I'm gonna be on Brian Moylan's podcast Twelve 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:41.200 Days of Christmas. I'll be talking about stepmom a little different. 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:44.120 And what are you excited about this holiday season? 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:45.280 Uh? 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:48.640 You know, I'm excited that my kids are gonna meet 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:51.520 their little cousins, like they've met once, but like I've 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:53.400 never met my one of my nephews, I've never met 0:11:53.480 --> 0:11:53.800 him yet. 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:56.439 He's eighteen months old. I've never met him nineteen months old. 0:11:56.760 --> 0:12:00.880 And I'm excited for like the like the kid excitement 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:03.920 about Christmas is so cute. Like, you know, for a 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:05.360 long time, for me, it was like I went home, 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:06.360 my mom got me some stuff. 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:07.880 I was like, great, where's the receipt? I need to 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:08.360 return it? 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:11.240 And then you know, I would just get really drunk 0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:13.360 with my family. And now I'm just gonna like, you know, 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:15.320 put my kids to bed, get really drunk with my 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:17.320 family and then watch them be happy about President. So 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:20.079 I think it'll be it's just a reverse order of operations, 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:22.440 but it'll be fun. And I'm going to see some 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:24.440 friends at home, and I'm hoping to go into the 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:29.880 city one night and see our friend Allison, whose birthday 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:30.280 it is. 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:31.280 She's got one of those. 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:33.520 She's a Jew with a very close to Christmas birthday, 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:35.120 so I'd like to go see her for her birthday. 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:38.559 And my little my brother's gonna have a little holiday party. 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:40.760 So yeah, we like to drink, we like to tie 0:12:40.760 --> 0:12:42.520 one on and then I go in id talks over 0:12:42.559 --> 0:12:45.040 in West Virginia with Jared's family because they don't drink 0:12:45.080 --> 0:12:46.080 really well. 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:48.600 Yeah, because I love Great Lakes Christmas aale, but I 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:51.280 already had some this year so in Chicago, so that 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:53.120 that's set up. 0:12:54.679 --> 0:12:56.559 But yeah, I just I'm also buying. 0:12:56.800 --> 0:13:00.840 Lindsay Adams makes cookie butters and I ordered some cookie 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:01.520 butter from her. 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:05.600 Oh I saw those on her Instagram, delicious looking. 0:13:05.800 --> 0:13:07.600 Oh my lord, I'll do that. I'm excited. 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:10.160 I'm just I like, I did not grow up with Christmas, 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:13.800 so to me like any version of an American thing. 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:16.280 If I could wear a flannel, some slippers, go in 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:18.760 the I just say okay, yeah, and my friends have 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:22.000 amazing dogs that really we bond, So I'm excited. 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:22.640 What will your. 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:24.679 Parents like be doing on Christmas? It's like any other 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:26.600 day for them. They'll just like live their lives. 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:26.960 Yeah. 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:28.720 I mean, if I was home, we would have gone 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:31.640 to the movies, but like, I don't think they'll do 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:33.440 anything out of the ordinary. 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:34.960 And my sister's going to Mexico. 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:38.000 But what's coming out at Christmas? That's good because I 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:39.760 love to go to the movies on Christmas. I saw 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:42.000 Django on Christmas. I've seen a lot of Christmas. I 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:44.480 saw the favorite at Christmas, I think, or maybe Thanksgiving, 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:46.400 one of the two. I would love to see something 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:48.000 on Christmas. Anything coming out, I. 0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:50.320 Have no idea. If it's not House of Gucci, I 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:54.040 have no idea. But also I feel kind of like 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:56.079 a loser because I didn't think it was that bad. 0:13:56.120 --> 0:13:58.960 And everyone I've talked to or any podcasts I listened to, 0:13:59.000 --> 0:14:03.480 They're like, it's an abomination. God is humiliating herself. Don't 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:05.320 even see it's not even good bad And I'm. 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:07.000 Like, I don't know. I gave it a six. I 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:08.120 don't care. I had a good time. 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:11.880 Well, I wonder if it's like you know, sometimes it's 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:14.719 tone that misses it, you know, like if you're saying, oh, 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:17.080 it's camp, it's supposed to be like kind of over 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:19.080 the top, and other people are watching it like it's 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:22.160 an Oscar contender, You're gonna have different opinions. 0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:25.040 Well, what Michelle Collins said that I will give to 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:30.160 her is that how do you make Italy not look beautiful? Like, 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:34.120 this is a movie about a legendary fashion house in 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:37.880 one of the most beautiful countries in the world. Why 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:41.160 didn't we see fashion or Italy and that way? 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:44.160 Did they not shoot it in Italy because of COVID 0:14:44.240 --> 0:14:46.440 or something. I wonder if it's like shot in other 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:47.480 places or something. 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:52.280 I have no idea. That's that's above my head, above 0:14:52.320 --> 0:14:53.320 my pay grade. 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:58.520 Your pay grade as a Hollywood location scout. 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:00.320 Yeah, don't know. 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:03.280 I like I said, like everyone knows, I fell fully 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:04.680 asleep for most of House of Gucci. 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:06.760 So I'm planning to hopefully watch it again. 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:10.640 Oh my god, you know what everyone's probably thinking what 0:15:11.200 --> 0:15:14.760 we're recording. The Sex and the City reboot has premiered already. 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:17.480 Oh my god, you guys are probably like, what are 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:18.440 these bitches doing. 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:22.640 They're not even mentioning, second, when does it come out tomorrow? Okay, 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:24.680 so we'll talk about it next week on New Year. 0:15:24.720 --> 0:15:26.880 We're in the time machine. We're in the time machine. 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:30.160 But you guys are probably listening a week after week being. 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:34.200 Like these bitches aren't even gonna mention Gary Bradshaw. But uh, 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:37.160 mister big Chris notth just did an interview defending Sarah 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:39.320 Jessica about what against Kim Cotrell. 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:41.160 Oh wait, what did Kim Catrell say? I don't even 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:41.600 know the new. 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:45.000 Nothing new, there's nothing new, but he was just like 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:49.120 he just recently was like nothing she said was true. 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:51.360 And Sarah Jessica is the best, and I'm very protective 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:52.160 of her, and like. 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:53.600 The thing is too. 0:15:53.760 --> 0:15:56.080 I love Kim Katrell and I want her to thrive 0:15:56.120 --> 0:15:57.880 and I want her to do great. I did see 0:15:57.880 --> 0:16:00.400 her scatting with her husband on a sixty minute special 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:02.280 like many of us did, so you wonder you know, 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:06.680 is everything okay? But she is like Sarah Jessica Parker's 0:16:06.720 --> 0:16:09.280 like up there with like Mrsca Hargacy level of like 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:11.320 the way people have that we have worked with her. 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:13.680 Everyone loves her so it's kind of hard to come 0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:18.120 out against somebody like that's pretty much universally revered. 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:22.560 Yeah, a true dream of a woman. Okay, let's get started. 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:27.240 Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas and happy Holidays and happy Uh. 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:28.680 Well, we'll talk to you guys. 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:30.600 Before the new year about we we want everyone to 0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:34.000 have a joyous holiday season, whether or not you celebrate. 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:36.280 Let's get going. 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:40.720 We've got a good I don't know, I've we've. 0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:43.080 Got a hot Christmas episode for you. 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:51.360 All right, deck the halls with lots of sex crimes. Okay, 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:55.840 so we are doing today one of what I can 0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:58.960 I think the only Christmas the episode I could find 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:01.240 any we could find, right, Like, I mean, this is 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:06.360 called Presumed Guilty, Season fourteen, episode ten. It aired January 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:08.520 second of twenty thirteen, so it's a little bit after 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:12.800 the holidays, but it's very Christmas y. That's so against 0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:16.480 TV rules. I always do it before. That's tid to 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:18.000 do a January Christmas eve. 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:18.760 Yeah. 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:23.600 So we open this episode on an absolutely disgusting concept, 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:25.399 which is a Christmas party in a morgue. 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:27.600 I'm I'm not into it. 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:30.400 There's literally food spread out where Warner is usually pulling 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:32.560 a liver out and putting on a scale and like 0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:36.560 now we're like and we've seen burned ass fingers get rehydrated, 0:17:36.560 --> 0:17:38.679 and now it's like, would you like some perjudo? Like, no, 0:17:38.840 --> 0:17:41.679 thank you, I'm our svping no to this party, Like 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:43.040 you guys need to rent out the back of an 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:44.080 olive garden or something. 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:45.720 Don't you think what is happening? 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:48.440 Well, I don't know if the Emmys it's their part, 0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:50.520 Like there's a few holiday parties. Maybe it's not the 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:56.040 official SVU. This is the Morgus party, and maybe their 0:17:56.080 --> 0:17:56.919 budgets tighter. 0:17:57.000 --> 0:17:57.439 I don't know. 0:17:57.600 --> 0:18:00.400 I have an I'd rather you all be crammed into 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:02.800 fucking Warner's apartment and watch this go down. 0:18:03.080 --> 0:18:04.240 I didn't even notice. 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:08.840 U uh literally, I've watched this episode like three times for. 0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:12.160 This, and I. 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:14.080 Didn't even notice that that was weird. The whole gang 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:17.600 is in the fucking Morgue. Rollins is leaning up against 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:21.720 those literal sliding thingies, the doors where the bodies come out. 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:24.880 She's nodding up against one, and there's a fucking there's 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:27.400 a fucking skeleton with a Santa hat on, like they're 0:18:27.400 --> 0:18:29.119 trying to be cute about it, and they are. 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:31.119 I are trying to repute about it. I'm embarrassed I 0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:31.680 didn't notice. 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:35.080 Well, especially somebody who notices Halloween. You always notice the 0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:37.000 date on the cards, and you're like two days before 0:18:37.040 --> 0:18:43.760 Halloween where the decoration so basically Rollins is leaning up 0:18:43.760 --> 0:18:46.520 against a fucking literal dead body being chatted up by 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:48.320 a dork. And the first thing I think is I 0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:50.159 know this guy, And it turns out I do know 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:51.879 this guy. I did work on a show called The 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:55.879 Naked Brother's Band on Nickelodeon with the Wolf Brothers, who 0:18:55.920 --> 0:18:57.720 are kind of famous now, like one of them is 0:18:57.720 --> 0:19:00.280 the boy from Hereditary, the other one is a boy 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:04.000 from like Paper Towns and like from Admission. 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:06.879 The Tina fe movie. And this guy named. 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:09.480 Daniel Raymont was in that show on that show, so 0:19:09.560 --> 0:19:11.760 I do sort of know him. And you can also 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:13.919 all drink because I revealed another job that I've had 0:19:13.920 --> 0:19:14.639 that you probably. 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:14.920 Didn't know about. 0:19:16.000 --> 0:19:20.119 So he is the driver for the Emmy's office and 0:19:20.160 --> 0:19:22.520 he drives the hers, I guess, and he's really trying 0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:25.200 to connect with Amanda, who has like got classic get 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:27.520 me the fuck out of her face? And oh, and 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:30.080 I point out the skeleton here, and I'm like, this 0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:32.760 is what Rosie would call a scholeton. She's very obsessed 0:19:32.760 --> 0:19:35.920 with all the spooky stuff from Halloween and calls skeletons schooletons. 0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:39.439 So Rollins tries to get Finn to help her out, 0:19:39.520 --> 0:19:41.600 like she kind of is giving like a guy code 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:43.840 SOS thing to him, and he's like, She's like, don't 0:19:43.840 --> 0:19:46.240 we have to finish those DD fives? And he's like, nah, 0:19:46.320 --> 0:19:49.280 you go for it, play like he just fully bad 0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:52.640 thread to dry like bad friend, bad friend, but also 0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:57.480 very funny. So now Melinda and Live are just a 0:19:57.520 --> 0:19:59.920 couple of gals gabbing it up at the holiday part 0:20:00.720 --> 0:20:04.320 and Live reveals that she's off to the Bahamas on 0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:10.639 Christmas Eve with quote unquote a friend ooh, very sexual 0:20:11.119 --> 0:20:12.840 vacation for Olivia Benson. 0:20:12.960 --> 0:20:15.919 And I think we all know who it is. Is 0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:18.639 it Tucker? No, I think we're supposed to all think 0:20:18.640 --> 0:20:20.000 it's Cassidy. Got it? 0:20:20.200 --> 0:20:23.120 Yeah, So now we're at a house with a ton 0:20:23.200 --> 0:20:24.680 of kids opening presence, and. 0:20:24.960 --> 0:20:27.360 Was Cassidy affording his Bahamas vacation? 0:20:28.000 --> 0:20:28.520 Oh? Fuck? 0:20:28.560 --> 0:20:31.159 Have I know? I don't know overtime, I don't know. 0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:35.240 This is like after I believe this is right after 0:20:35.359 --> 0:20:38.240 the whole Captain Craigan thing with Bart Ganzel and all 0:20:38.280 --> 0:20:40.919 that stuff where he was undercover with Bart Ganzel and 0:20:40.960 --> 0:20:44.119 all that. So in the next scene, we're at a 0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:46.520 house and there's a ton of kids opening presence and 0:20:46.600 --> 0:20:49.800 a woman is sitting next to a priest being like, 0:20:49.880 --> 0:20:52.120 thanks for doing this, father, And the priest is played 0:20:52.119 --> 0:20:55.080 by Dennis O'Hare, who is a classic character actor and 0:20:55.119 --> 0:20:57.520 a member of the Ryan Murphy universe. If you watch 0:20:57.560 --> 0:21:00.040 any of the American horror stories or stuff like that, 0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:03.080 he's always in that stuff. And he is playing Father 0:21:03.240 --> 0:21:06.480 Shay that's his character's name. And the woman like points 0:21:06.480 --> 0:21:08.960 out this doll and is like, ooh, must be for 0:21:09.040 --> 0:21:11.760 a special girl, and he's like it is a very 0:21:11.800 --> 0:21:14.439 special girl. And like immediately you have alarm bells because 0:21:14.520 --> 0:21:17.320 like this conversation is weird. I don't think anyone would 0:21:17.320 --> 0:21:19.360 talk with a priest like that about a child anymore. 0:21:19.840 --> 0:21:22.199 But like it's also twenty thirteen. 0:21:22.240 --> 0:21:24.320 I guess Spotlight didn't come out until twenty fifteen, but 0:21:24.359 --> 0:21:26.400 it seems like we've been knowing about the Catholic Church 0:21:26.440 --> 0:21:27.680 being terrible for a long time. 0:21:27.840 --> 0:21:32.000 But you're gonna say something Lisa, Oh. 0:21:31.840 --> 0:21:35.480 I my breath was like, or you're like, I guess 0:21:35.520 --> 0:21:41.120 it's been going on for a while, and it's like, yeah, yeah. 0:21:40.359 --> 0:21:41.200 It's like a hack. 0:21:41.560 --> 0:21:45.639 The fact that like it is hack to make jokes 0:21:45.640 --> 0:21:49.000 about priests raping kids like that is how often and 0:21:49.359 --> 0:21:53.360 it happens, and how dated it it Like it is 0:21:53.560 --> 0:21:57.280 a hacky premise. Yeah, that's how many priests are raping 0:21:57.359 --> 0:21:58.359 children constantly. 0:21:58.440 --> 0:22:01.360 That it is just like, come, you don't have better material? 0:22:01.680 --> 0:22:04.520 Yeah, like it already had its full upward trajectory into 0:22:04.520 --> 0:22:07.560 the public consciousness, hit its tipping point and then went 0:22:07.640 --> 0:22:09.680 over to the point where now it's like, come on, man, 0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:12.399 that's an old joke, even though yeah, probably still happening 0:22:12.440 --> 0:22:16.800 every day anyway. So now Father Shay is in his car. 0:22:16.880 --> 0:22:19.159 A little girl comes running up and she's like, father, 0:22:19.240 --> 0:22:21.760 I forgot you give you your Christmas card. She hops 0:22:21.840 --> 0:22:24.439 right into the car with him. Again weird. Then we 0:22:24.520 --> 0:22:26.760 cut to a little scene with Amorrow and he's with 0:22:26.800 --> 0:22:29.840 his daughter Zara, who I'm sorry to say, love little kids. 0:22:30.320 --> 0:22:31.840 This is not the best actress we've seen. 0:22:31.920 --> 0:22:35.400 Remember when they were doing the episode about the American 0:22:35.400 --> 0:22:38.080 idol type show with Billy porter and she was like, 0:22:38.200 --> 0:22:40.560 how do I be a singer? And he goes practice 0:22:40.600 --> 0:22:43.080 and she goes, you're silly, daddy. She's just not a 0:22:43.119 --> 0:22:47.240 good actress. Fuck this kid, Zarah. But we hope here 0:22:47.280 --> 0:22:50.680 I am dbah. Go take a trip to fucking Disney 0:22:50.720 --> 0:22:54.280 World and get out of my face. So she gives 0:22:54.280 --> 0:22:56.879 her dat a Christmas list and it is extensive, like 0:22:56.920 --> 0:22:59.120 I don't think she understands how much money her dad makes. 0:22:59.119 --> 0:23:01.520 She's like, I want to buy and iPad Minnie a puppy, 0:23:01.600 --> 0:23:03.480 and I want mommy and daddy to be together. 0:23:03.520 --> 0:23:05.040 It's like, how about just the dog. 0:23:05.560 --> 0:23:08.439 So back at the car, this little girl is like 0:23:08.440 --> 0:23:11.160 giving Father Shay the full rundown of the Christmas card, 0:23:11.280 --> 0:23:14.119 like this is this, this is that. Her name is Sophia, 0:23:14.640 --> 0:23:16.920 and he gives her a big hug and is like, 0:23:17.000 --> 0:23:19.399 you're very special, Sophia, thank you for my card whatever. 0:23:19.600 --> 0:23:20.840 And just as he's giving her this. 0:23:20.760 --> 0:23:23.680 Big hug, someone shows up to the a passenger side 0:23:23.720 --> 0:23:27.000 window and starts crowbarring it, like smashing it in. He 0:23:27.119 --> 0:23:30.520 tells Sophia to run. A guy pulls Father Shay out 0:23:30.560 --> 0:23:33.600 of the car and starts beating the shit out of him. 0:23:33.960 --> 0:23:36.000 Back at Amorrow's we you know, we're flip flopping back 0:23:36.040 --> 0:23:39.119 to Amorrow's place. He's on the phone with Maria, his ex. 0:23:39.520 --> 0:23:41.600 We find out that Zara is headed to DC on 0:23:41.680 --> 0:23:43.679 Christmas Eve to be with her mom, So you know, 0:23:43.720 --> 0:23:46.439 Omar is going to be alone with his anger. So 0:23:46.560 --> 0:23:50.480 now back at the crime scene, they're wheeling Father Shay 0:23:50.560 --> 0:23:52.720 onto an ambulance and there's a black man in a 0:23:52.760 --> 0:23:56.320 beanie leaning up against the car and he's explaining to 0:23:56.400 --> 0:23:59.160 a cop like someone jumped this priest, and then the crowd. 0:23:59.400 --> 0:24:01.320 The crowd is like, nah, nah, this is the guy 0:24:01.320 --> 0:24:03.280 who attacked the priest and he stole the presence. And 0:24:03.320 --> 0:24:06.159 I'm like, if so, where the presence? Where the presence 0:24:06.200 --> 0:24:07.959 he stole? He's right here, where the presence? 0:24:08.840 --> 0:24:09.240 Wow? 0:24:09.680 --> 0:24:11.879 You just to join the squad. Yeah, I'm mad at 0:24:11.880 --> 0:24:15.359 these neighbors. So they're all saying that the opposite happened, 0:24:15.359 --> 0:24:17.680 that this guy is the one that beat up the priest, 0:24:17.720 --> 0:24:20.800 and that two guys stopped the guy from beating up 0:24:20.840 --> 0:24:23.600 the priest and then ran off. And so the guy 0:24:23.640 --> 0:24:25.760 in the beanie is like, it wasn't me, I swear, 0:24:25.880 --> 0:24:28.080 And my brother in law is on the job. Okay, 0:24:28.640 --> 0:24:31.240 So back at the creepy Morgue party, Finn's ex wife, 0:24:31.359 --> 0:24:34.080 Teresa Lisa Gay Hamilton, Right, that's her. 0:24:34.560 --> 0:24:37.119 Yeah, she shows up looking for you. If you remember 0:24:37.160 --> 0:24:39.720 her from Sex and the City. She's Miranda's neighbor with 0:24:39.760 --> 0:24:41.639 the baby who won't stop crying, who gives her the 0:24:42.200 --> 0:24:43.120 vibrating chair. 0:24:43.560 --> 0:24:46.440 Yes, Kendall is the baby or the woman. 0:24:46.760 --> 0:24:49.359 I'm Ken and Amika. It's like Amika and Kendall but 0:24:50.000 --> 0:24:54.760 too Yeah. So Finn's wife shows up looking for Finn. 0:24:54.760 --> 0:24:57.480 So we're starting to figure out that the guy they arrested. 0:24:57.160 --> 0:24:58.080 Is Sam Randall. 0:24:58.480 --> 0:25:01.840 He's Teresa's brother, Finn's ex wife, so he's Finn's ex 0:25:01.920 --> 0:25:04.879 brother in law. She rushes up to Finn, who, I 0:25:04.880 --> 0:25:07.719 don't know if you clocked this is maybe flirting with 0:25:07.800 --> 0:25:11.639 Warner Like they're leaning up against the morgue like wall together. 0:25:12.040 --> 0:25:15.639 She has her hand on his fucking shoulder. She's giggling 0:25:16.000 --> 0:25:17.880 and when the when she sees the ex wife, she's 0:25:17.960 --> 0:25:20.760 kind of like, oh, like her face changes. I'm saying, 0:25:20.800 --> 0:25:24.440 watch it again, like it's very I think something's up. 0:25:24.480 --> 0:25:27.000 And do you know what now that you mentioned this, 0:25:27.040 --> 0:25:28.880 why wouldn't why wouldn't they have fucked? 0:25:29.119 --> 0:25:33.040 Yeah, like it's it's very flirty Christmas, you know, and 0:25:33.080 --> 0:25:35.760 also those Christmas vibes of like it's cold, it's the 0:25:35.840 --> 0:25:37.920 end of the year. Why the fuck not. Well, we'll 0:25:37.960 --> 0:25:39.879 all be on a long break and probably forget about it. 0:25:39.880 --> 0:25:41.560 There'll be no awkwardness when we come back to work. 0:25:42.000 --> 0:25:46.040 No, now, I'm we need some fan fiction, ye shout 0:25:46.080 --> 0:25:49.840 out to the to the listeners. We would love some 0:25:50.000 --> 0:25:53.679 fan fiction of Melinda and Ice getting it all and 0:25:53.800 --> 0:25:56.399 maybe their couple name could be too to Tuny no 0:25:56.680 --> 0:26:04.920 to to to Warner. So Teresa, Finn's ex wife, tells 0:26:05.000 --> 0:26:07.280 him what's up, and he's kind of like, yeah, he's 0:26:07.320 --> 0:26:09.199 a deadbie. He's in and out of jail, and she's like, 0:26:09.280 --> 0:26:11.359 he didn't do it, Finn. He's been obsessed with spending 0:26:11.440 --> 0:26:13.920 Christmas with his son for the first time in six years. 0:26:14.000 --> 0:26:17.560 He's really turned his life around. And like, Finn's kind 0:26:17.560 --> 0:26:19.639 of like he's been on parole for nine months, like 0:26:19.920 --> 0:26:20.440 of course. 0:26:20.280 --> 0:26:21.199 He's back in trouble. 0:26:21.320 --> 0:26:24.399 Like and then basically Teresa gets a phone call from 0:26:24.480 --> 0:26:26.520 Ken and has to roll because we all know Ken 0:26:26.640 --> 0:26:29.440 Finn's son is like, you know, the one that keeps 0:26:29.480 --> 0:26:33.160 everybody in the family together. So Finn's like, Famili's complicated, 0:26:33.200 --> 0:26:36.080 and then we roll right into those credits. So now 0:26:37.240 --> 0:26:39.560 Finn and Rollins are headed over to see what's going on, 0:26:40.200 --> 0:26:43.320 and he's kind of downloading Rollins on what's up, and 0:26:43.359 --> 0:26:45.080 she's sort of kind of like, well, you know, it 0:26:45.119 --> 0:26:47.840 could be a wrong place, wrong time kind of thing, 0:26:47.880 --> 0:26:49.240 like I don't know if I need to explain to 0:26:49.280 --> 0:26:53.400 you a black man, that sometimes this happens. And he's 0:26:53.400 --> 0:26:55.840 basically like, Sam's been on parole since March. He's been 0:26:55.840 --> 0:26:58.280 in and out of jail for auto theft, breaking and entering, 0:26:58.640 --> 0:27:00.719 and Rollins is like, you know, people can change, and 0:27:00.760 --> 0:27:02.359 he's like, yeah, but you don't get your ass kicked 0:27:02.359 --> 0:27:06.160 for nothing. So at the precinct, because I believe they're 0:27:06.200 --> 0:27:08.720 in Brooklyn or the Bronx. 0:27:08.440 --> 0:27:09.720 They're in another jurisdiction. 0:27:10.280 --> 0:27:13.000 At the precinct, Sam is handcuffed to like a railing 0:27:13.080 --> 0:27:15.320 and he's like, what I'm guilty of is being black, 0:27:15.359 --> 0:27:18.040 and it's like he's right, like literally this crowd of 0:27:18.040 --> 0:27:19.800 people were like it was the black guy that did it, 0:27:19.840 --> 0:27:21.840 and like the cop just believe the crowd of people. 0:27:22.480 --> 0:27:25.080 So he explains that he was trying to save the priests. 0:27:25.080 --> 0:27:28.120 These guys were calling him short eyes and chomo, which 0:27:28.359 --> 0:27:31.080 chomo I've heard before on this show as a slang 0:27:31.080 --> 0:27:33.320 for child molester. I'd never heard short eyes and I 0:27:33.359 --> 0:27:35.240 looked it up and it is like an old slang 0:27:35.280 --> 0:27:38.320 for child moluster. I don't really know what that where 0:27:38.359 --> 0:27:39.639 that comes from, but I'm. 0:27:39.520 --> 0:27:42.240 Sye your eyes are on short little kids. Yeah, like 0:27:42.320 --> 0:27:44.920 your eyes go down to see small people. 0:27:45.000 --> 0:27:45.960 Yeah. Yeah. 0:27:46.480 --> 0:27:49.440 Finn's like, you just made up that child molester part 0:27:49.440 --> 0:27:51.159 because you know I'm in SVU, and he's like, no, 0:27:51.240 --> 0:27:53.880 it's a truth. And then he tells them also about 0:27:53.880 --> 0:27:55.960 this little girl who he saw running away from the scene, 0:27:56.320 --> 0:27:58.720 and he's like, listen, I don't need a car and 0:27:58.760 --> 0:28:00.480 I don't want to go back to jail. Why would 0:28:00.520 --> 0:28:02.280 I do this? And that's making a lot of sense, 0:28:02.320 --> 0:28:05.040 Like what's the motive here? Like there were no present stolen, 0:28:05.160 --> 0:28:08.280 he didn't need the car, so like also, if you're 0:28:08.280 --> 0:28:10.000 going to car jack someone, you kind of just throw 0:28:10.040 --> 0:28:11.400 them out of the car and drive away. You don't 0:28:11.440 --> 0:28:12.840 sit there and beat the fuck out of them for 0:28:12.880 --> 0:28:14.920 like twenty minutes until two guys pull you off. 0:28:15.320 --> 0:28:17.280 No, I get where Ice is coming from here, but 0:28:17.359 --> 0:28:20.720 it's like I always hate when the detectives are not 0:28:20.800 --> 0:28:24.399 open minded and have made their decision and are just 0:28:24.520 --> 0:28:27.159 like beating against a dead bush. I don't know, like 0:28:27.760 --> 0:28:32.720 it's It's one of my most uh when I'm most irritated, 0:28:32.840 --> 0:28:36.919 is when the detectives abandon their like pursuit of the 0:28:37.000 --> 0:28:39.440 evidence and developing their point of view and just go 0:28:39.560 --> 0:28:41.880 in guns blazing with what they think happened. 0:28:43.080 --> 0:28:45.520 Well, so anyway, Sam is like, I really got to 0:28:45.520 --> 0:28:47.480 get home for Christmas, Like you got to help me out. 0:28:47.480 --> 0:28:49.320 So then they go talk to the copp arrested him 0:28:49.320 --> 0:28:51.000 and he's like, this is pretty open and shut. The 0:28:51.040 --> 0:28:53.200 witnesses said it was him, and Rowlins is like, witnesses 0:28:53.200 --> 0:28:54.800 can be wrong. And then she's like, where are these 0:28:54.800 --> 0:28:57.640 two guys they took off. They're supposed to be good 0:28:57.680 --> 0:29:00.400 Samaritans and they split. That's kind of weird. And then 0:29:00.480 --> 0:29:02.880 like the priest is unconscious and the cop knows nothing 0:29:02.880 --> 0:29:06.160 about the girl at the crime scene. Things are continuing 0:29:06.200 --> 0:29:08.440 to not look good for Sam. Like nine one one 0:29:08.440 --> 0:29:10.840 callers say they saw a black man, but they can't 0:29:11.000 --> 0:29:13.840 id the guys who ran away and CSU hasn't even 0:29:13.920 --> 0:29:16.360 processed the crime scene because they're basically just calling it 0:29:16.400 --> 0:29:18.880 like a carjacking, and it's a few days before Christmas, 0:29:18.920 --> 0:29:22.840 like it's just not a priority for them. So lives like, okay, 0:29:22.920 --> 0:29:25.200 let's have Warner send some techs out, and Finn's like, 0:29:25.320 --> 0:29:26.960 you guys don't need to help me this much, like 0:29:27.000 --> 0:29:28.440 I divorced into this situation. 0:29:29.280 --> 0:29:32.320 So then they open the car, they find the card signed. 0:29:32.040 --> 0:29:36.240 From Sophia, and then they also live clocks a security cam, 0:29:36.600 --> 0:29:39.040 so let's go check that footage. They look at the 0:29:39.080 --> 0:29:42.640 footage and the attack itself is not on camera, but 0:29:42.920 --> 0:29:45.640 you it does fit the timeline, like you see Sam 0:29:45.840 --> 0:29:49.400 seeing something and running towards it, and like that obviously 0:29:49.480 --> 0:29:50.959 looks like someone going to help someone. 0:29:51.560 --> 0:29:57.000 And now finally someone goes, let's look into the priest. 0:29:57.200 --> 0:30:00.120 What's his deal? You know, like we're hearing priests and 0:30:00.160 --> 0:30:00.680 Trad Molister. 0:30:00.760 --> 0:30:03.120 It's not our first rodeo here at SVU, Like, let's 0:30:03.160 --> 0:30:06.200 figure out what his background is. They discover he's worked 0:30:06.240 --> 0:30:09.040 at an orphanage in Guatemala. He's been to Boston, Chicago, 0:30:09.120 --> 0:30:10.280 Saten Island Inwood. 0:30:11.040 --> 0:30:11.760 We all know a. 0:30:11.720 --> 0:30:13.480 Priest that moves around a lot is not a great 0:30:13.560 --> 0:30:16.120 sign in a car late at night with a little girl. 0:30:16.400 --> 0:30:18.840 Like Olivia's pointing this all out and it's like, thank you, Olivia. 0:30:18.920 --> 0:30:23.200 Someone's finally kind of getting a getting a beat on 0:30:23.240 --> 0:30:26.520 what's going on with this fucking priest. The hospital calls 0:30:26.560 --> 0:30:28.880 to say that the priest is awake and tomorrow is like, 0:30:28.960 --> 0:30:30.720 me and Finn will go talk to him. You too, 0:30:30.720 --> 0:30:33.200 go talk to Barbara and then they're like we would, 0:30:33.240 --> 0:30:38.240 but Barbara is skiing in Gustad and uh, in my imagination, 0:30:38.320 --> 0:30:42.479 he's with Sonya Morgan, who that's where my brain went 0:30:42.720 --> 0:30:46.080 very obsessed with Stad and so that's where he is. 0:30:46.160 --> 0:30:54.640 And it's like so prood too, yeah, up to soccer team. 0:30:55.160 --> 0:30:58.160 So like it's just funny to me because Barbara is 0:30:58.200 --> 0:31:00.760 so bougie that it's like he of It's like, yeah, 0:31:00.800 --> 0:31:03.880 lives going to the Bahamas, Barbera's going to Stad, you know. 0:31:04.360 --> 0:31:06.280 So anyway, I also, I. 0:31:06.200 --> 0:31:08.240 Mean, I guess it's Christmas, but like for me, I'm 0:31:08.280 --> 0:31:10.560 always I want to go tropical, Like I can't imagine 0:31:10.560 --> 0:31:12.840 doing an as spin or a Swiss weeekend like yeah, 0:31:12.960 --> 0:31:15.680 or wherever gesshad is like I would never leave a 0:31:15.720 --> 0:31:17.440 cold place and go to another. 0:31:17.160 --> 0:31:19.280 Cold place, right right, Well, do you ski? 0:31:20.080 --> 0:31:23.000 Absolutely not same. I've never put skis on in my life. 0:31:23.040 --> 0:31:25.280 So I'll sit in a hot tub and watch people ski. 0:31:25.680 --> 0:31:25.880 Yeah. 0:31:25.880 --> 0:31:28.280 Oh I'm into the app prey ski very deeply. Like 0:31:28.320 --> 0:31:32.320 I would love some hot chocolate, some red wine and 0:31:32.440 --> 0:31:33.320 some hot tubbing. 0:31:33.520 --> 0:31:35.160 And I like to ice skate. I don't know if 0:31:35.160 --> 0:31:38.360 that's ever an option. I love ice skating. I didn't 0:31:38.360 --> 0:31:40.320 know that about you. Let's get a rink and let's go. 0:31:40.520 --> 0:31:41.480 Let's go ice skating. 0:31:41.760 --> 0:31:44.160 Let's go fucking ice skating. There's got to be free 0:31:44.160 --> 0:31:47.400 skates or rentals whatever. We have to go ice skating, Yes, 0:31:47.440 --> 0:31:47.840 for sure. 0:31:48.080 --> 0:31:49.760 Maybe one of the last times ice skated was in 0:31:49.840 --> 0:31:53.920 Vegas because the Cosmopolitan has a rink at Christmas time, 0:31:54.680 --> 0:31:57.840 we have to go ice skating. No children, though, No, no, 0:31:57.840 --> 0:31:59.280 no no. I don't want to teach Rosiat to ice 0:31:59.280 --> 0:32:01.520 skate yet. It's it's not even fun. That's just like 0:32:01.560 --> 0:32:03.800 me holding a dead body around that ice rink for 0:32:03.840 --> 0:32:06.240 like two hours being terrified. 0:32:07.040 --> 0:32:08.680 Yeah. 0:32:08.960 --> 0:32:13.120 So basically, uh, they're like, Okay, Barba's out of town, 0:32:13.240 --> 0:32:16.000 so let's go sweet talk. Whichever ada is like covering 0:32:16.040 --> 0:32:18.760 for him over the holidays. So we cut to a 0:32:18.800 --> 0:32:21.480 walk and talk with this guy and hell yeah, it's 0:32:21.520 --> 0:32:23.080 fucking Todd from Zoolander. 0:32:23.680 --> 0:32:24.640 I love this actor. 0:32:24.800 --> 0:32:28.240 He is also from The Comeback and he is so 0:32:28.240 --> 0:32:30.360 so funny, but he's very serious in this one, and 0:32:30.440 --> 0:32:33.600 he is not buying what Rollins and Live are selling. 0:32:34.000 --> 0:32:36.040 But I do love his attitude even though he's like wrong. 0:32:36.080 --> 0:32:38.520 I like his like he's sort of just like uh uh, 0:32:38.560 --> 0:32:42.360 you know, even though he's wrong. So he's like, I'm 0:32:42.360 --> 0:32:45.480 not gonna ro r a guy who's on parole and 0:32:45.760 --> 0:32:49.120 lives like this is a family matter, and he's like, okay, Peace, 0:32:49.160 --> 0:32:51.280 you should not have even fucking mentioned that I'm not 0:32:51.320 --> 0:32:54.560 helping you now. Meanwhile, they're talking to the priest Finn 0:32:54.600 --> 0:32:56.640 and Tomorrow and he's like, look, this kind of stuff 0:32:56.680 --> 0:32:59.040 happens this kind of time of year. People are desperate. 0:32:59.400 --> 0:33:01.280 I forgive whoever did this, and I don't want to 0:33:01.280 --> 0:33:05.120 press charges. So he sees the picture of Sam and 0:33:05.160 --> 0:33:06.760 they're like, is this the guy who attacked you? And 0:33:06.800 --> 0:33:09.120 he's like, no, this is the guy who saved me. 0:33:09.240 --> 0:33:11.480 And he's like, I can't describe at all the other 0:33:11.520 --> 0:33:13.680 guys I can't make out their faces in my memory, 0:33:14.000 --> 0:33:15.640 but I know this is the guy who saved me. 0:33:16.480 --> 0:33:19.680 So they're like, who's the little girl, And he's like 0:33:19.760 --> 0:33:24.160 Sophia Santiago. Her mother, Margarita is the secretary at the parish, 0:33:24.200 --> 0:33:27.160 and he's basically like, I used to be a priest 0:33:27.240 --> 0:33:27.960 at this parish. 0:33:28.040 --> 0:33:29.320 I'm back in town visiting. 0:33:29.400 --> 0:33:31.600 He lives in Guatemala presently, I guess, and he just 0:33:31.640 --> 0:33:34.440 comes back to town every Christmas to visit his sister 0:33:34.560 --> 0:33:36.320 for the holidays, and he likes to pop in on 0:33:36.360 --> 0:33:38.440 his old parishioner. So that's why he was at this 0:33:38.480 --> 0:33:41.320 little holiday party giving all these kiddos presents at the 0:33:41.360 --> 0:33:44.480 beginning of the episode. So now Finn and Amarro show 0:33:44.520 --> 0:33:47.400 up at the arraignment where Sam is entering a not 0:33:47.440 --> 0:33:50.000 guilty plea, and they show the eighta this signed statement 0:33:50.040 --> 0:33:52.640 from father Shay saying like this man did not like 0:33:52.720 --> 0:33:55.080 attack me, and the Ada is like, I don't know, 0:33:55.120 --> 0:33:55.560 you bitch. 0:33:55.680 --> 0:33:57.120 He's like, I don't know if this is legit. 0:33:57.240 --> 0:33:59.080 I can't show this to a judge, like you could 0:33:59.080 --> 0:34:02.400 have coerced him into this confession, which I guess that 0:34:02.480 --> 0:34:03.320 is playing by the book. 0:34:03.360 --> 0:34:04.880 I wish that it was like a little bit more. 0:34:04.960 --> 0:34:06.080 I feel bad for Sam, but. 0:34:07.560 --> 0:34:09.719 And they can't speak to the arresting officer in the 0:34:09.760 --> 0:34:12.640 case because he already left for vacation in the Dominican Republic. 0:34:13.080 --> 0:34:16.319 Poor Sam's son, Dante is in the courtroom and he's like, 0:34:16.360 --> 0:34:20.360 it's very heartbreaking. The EIGHTYA requests remand since he's a 0:34:20.400 --> 0:34:23.440 repeat offender on parole and he allegedly attacked a clergyman, 0:34:23.480 --> 0:34:26.000 I don't know why it matters, uh, but you know, 0:34:26.160 --> 0:34:29.640 obviously judges are probably gonna feel some kind of way 0:34:29.640 --> 0:34:31.720 more about clergymen than they do about regular people. 0:34:31.880 --> 0:34:34.200 Yeah, it's another profession where you wear a row, you 0:34:34.239 --> 0:34:36.760 have complete power and control and you can't be fired, 0:34:36.800 --> 0:34:38.640 and you can commit as many crimes as you want 0:34:38.680 --> 0:34:42.680 and be a hypocrite. Yeah, judges and priests are very similar. Yeah, 0:34:42.719 --> 0:34:44.680 you're right. Oh my gosh, so true. 0:34:45.280 --> 0:34:48.840 So basically, the judge grants remand and now Sam is 0:34:48.840 --> 0:34:51.200 going to be in jail over the holidays, and Dante 0:34:51.560 --> 0:34:53.040 is so really cute, and. 0:34:53.040 --> 0:34:55.799 You get a soul, get a soul who like, what 0:34:55.840 --> 0:34:58.640 the fuck these people are just cold blooded? 0:34:58.719 --> 0:35:00.799 I guess to be a fucking prop secure you have 0:35:00.880 --> 0:35:01.560 to be I don't know. 0:35:02.200 --> 0:35:06.560 Yeah, So Dante is like, please, Finn, help my daddy 0:35:06.600 --> 0:35:08.600 get out of jail for Christmas. So now we kind 0:35:08.640 --> 0:35:11.000 of are like, you know, working against a clock to 0:35:11.000 --> 0:35:13.000 try to get Sam out of jail for the holidays, 0:35:13.000 --> 0:35:17.360 and it's he's a cute kid. So Finn is basically 0:35:17.400 --> 0:35:20.799 like telling Teresa, his ex wife, what's up. He's like, look, 0:35:20.840 --> 0:35:23.080 you're on parole. You don't jump into a fight. You 0:35:23.160 --> 0:35:23.960 call line one one. 0:35:24.040 --> 0:35:26.319 And it's really sad that there are so. 0:35:26.320 --> 0:35:28.680 Many reasons like this where that people have to not 0:35:28.760 --> 0:35:32.719 help other human beings, like your parole status, your immigration status. 0:35:32.719 --> 0:35:35.640 Like there's so many reasons why people just walk by 0:35:35.760 --> 0:35:38.600 or they just videotape something. You know that our reasons 0:35:38.680 --> 0:35:41.360 kind of be on their control in some situations. So 0:35:41.400 --> 0:35:43.560 then Finn and Rollins go off to talk to little 0:35:43.600 --> 0:35:46.040 Sophia and then Live in Tomorrow go talk to the 0:35:46.080 --> 0:35:49.239 current priest of the parish, whose name is Menendez, and 0:35:49.320 --> 0:35:51.239 they're kind of asking him, like, what's the story with 0:35:51.280 --> 0:35:53.640 father Shay Why did he leave? And he's like, honestly, 0:35:53.680 --> 0:35:55.880 it was just because our parish got smaller and smaller 0:35:55.920 --> 0:35:59.839 and he was needed elsewhere So Margarita is the woman 0:35:59.840 --> 0:36:01.799 for the beginning who was saying, oh, this must be 0:36:01.800 --> 0:36:05.320 for a special girl or whatever. And she says, Sophia 0:36:05.400 --> 0:36:08.239 has been with Father Shay alone many times, he's known 0:36:08.280 --> 0:36:10.839 her forever. There's no way he could have molested her. 0:36:10.920 --> 0:36:13.759 She's pretty positive, and she's like, just because of a 0:36:13.760 --> 0:36:16.240 few priests, everyone assumes the worst and it's like, Babe, 0:36:16.800 --> 0:36:18.960 this bad apple theory's not going to win you any fans. 0:36:19.400 --> 0:36:23.040 She explains that Sophia has no dad and she liked 0:36:23.040 --> 0:36:26.520 having Father Shay around her, like as a father figure, 0:36:26.640 --> 0:36:28.800 and she's like, you got him all wrong and lives 0:36:28.840 --> 0:36:31.000 like this bitch is in denial. And Amara is like, 0:36:31.719 --> 0:36:34.319 but maybe the Catholic church is good, like and it's 0:36:34.440 --> 0:36:37.120 kind of awkward because you can tell Tomorrow is Catholic. 0:36:37.960 --> 0:36:40.360 So they talked to Sofia. 0:36:40.440 --> 0:36:43.960 She's super cute and she's and the mom's like, yeah, honey, 0:36:43.960 --> 0:36:45.480 isn't father say so amazing? 0:36:45.680 --> 0:36:47.359 And you know this is a This is. 0:36:47.320 --> 0:36:49.000 Like a little bit of you can't tell whether the 0:36:49.080 --> 0:36:51.440 little kid's like taking cues from her mom or not. 0:36:51.480 --> 0:36:52.759 They kind of make this muddy on. 0:36:52.719 --> 0:36:55.680 Purpose, and she says, the bad guys who beat up 0:36:55.680 --> 0:36:58.600 father Shay. Spoke Spanish and we're wearing hoodies, and she 0:36:58.680 --> 0:37:00.839 said the good guy was a black guy who tried 0:37:00.880 --> 0:37:03.960 to save father Shay. So another witness coming forward to 0:37:04.080 --> 0:37:09.200 corroborate Sam's story. At the medical Examiner's office, Melinda is 0:37:09.239 --> 0:37:11.640 coming through with a favor for them. Checking on the 0:37:11.680 --> 0:37:14.759 evidence from the car, they find the blood from the 0:37:14.800 --> 0:37:18.120 two purps, and one of their fingerprints actually popped and 0:37:18.160 --> 0:37:21.840 it's Adam Benitez, who is two times convicted of assaulting 0:37:21.920 --> 0:37:29.600 registered sex offender offenders sends Offendez. So then to back 0:37:29.680 --> 0:37:32.960 up my point from earlier, Finn goes, thank you, Melinda, 0:37:33.000 --> 0:37:36.239 and she goes, Merry Christmas. Detective Tutuola, if you are 0:37:36.280 --> 0:37:39.799 not sensing the sexual tension, I'm telling you, it's fucking there. 0:37:39.880 --> 0:37:42.040 Okay, I was. I was. 0:37:42.239 --> 0:37:44.120 I cannot believe that I've never clocked this in my 0:37:44.160 --> 0:37:47.479 life before. But anyway, so Rollins, this might be like. 0:37:47.440 --> 0:37:50.160 My purple thing and we're gonna forever now, I like 0:37:50.239 --> 0:37:51.799 read into every interaction. 0:37:54.040 --> 0:37:55.120 Yeah, now there's. 0:37:54.920 --> 0:37:56.319 Gonna be like scenes will be like is that a 0:37:56.320 --> 0:38:01.319 picture of Warner in Finn's wallet? So anyway, Rollin's and 0:38:01.360 --> 0:38:04.080 Finn go to track down this guy, Benitez, who is 0:38:04.120 --> 0:38:06.919 a Salvation Army Santa. And for some reason, there are 0:38:06.920 --> 0:38:09.600 four Salvation Army Santas, one on every corner, and they 0:38:09.600 --> 0:38:11.600 don't know which one it is, so they just say 0:38:11.640 --> 0:38:14.600 his name. They're like Benitez, and he bolts and Rollin's 0:38:14.600 --> 0:38:18.120 fucking tackles him, and it's just a funny visual and 0:38:18.160 --> 0:38:22.120 I really enjoyed it. And it turns out they bring 0:38:22.200 --> 0:38:24.160 him in, and it turns out he was molested by 0:38:24.160 --> 0:38:26.240 his uncle at age eight, and he was a transit 0:38:26.280 --> 0:38:29.640 cop and no one believed him. Horrible obviously, people in 0:38:29.680 --> 0:38:33.280 power who again a uniform protects them, and he doesn't 0:38:33.280 --> 0:38:35.600 feel bad about beating up pedophiles. And he said he 0:38:35.640 --> 0:38:38.880 was there with his friend and this priest assaulted this 0:38:38.920 --> 0:38:41.560 guy's sister and they need the name of the guy, 0:38:41.920 --> 0:38:46.440 and they basically he gives up his friend's name, Enrique Rodriguez, 0:38:46.719 --> 0:38:49.440 and he is a garbage man played by Theo Rossi 0:38:49.640 --> 0:38:52.360 aka Juice from Sons of Anarchy if you've ever watched 0:38:52.880 --> 0:38:57.480 Sons of Anarchy. So he says that Shay rapes little girls, 0:38:57.480 --> 0:38:59.759 and basically the cops are bringing him in and they're 0:38:59.800 --> 0:39:03.080 like we need Father Shay to id these two guys 0:39:03.080 --> 0:39:05.600 in order to get Sam out. So then when we 0:39:05.680 --> 0:39:08.200 come back from what I assume is the commercial, but 0:39:08.239 --> 0:39:10.960 I wouldn't know because I do now pay for Hulu Unlimited. 0:39:11.360 --> 0:39:15.400 Well, when we get back from this. 0:39:15.320 --> 0:39:20.239 Alleged commercial, Father Shay is arguing with the Monsignor Menendez 0:39:20.320 --> 0:39:22.719 and he's going, no, not this time, And when Live 0:39:22.719 --> 0:39:26.000 and Tomorrow show up, they kind of zip their lips 0:39:26.360 --> 0:39:28.919 and then they find a one way ticket to Guatemala 0:39:28.960 --> 0:39:30.400 that I don't know is sitting on the bed or 0:39:30.440 --> 0:39:32.239 he's like handing it to him and lives like, what's 0:39:32.280 --> 0:39:34.680 going on. We'd kind of prefer if you didn't go anywhere, 0:39:34.760 --> 0:39:38.359 since you're a huge part of this active investigation, and 0:39:38.640 --> 0:39:39.799 he's basically like. 0:39:39.840 --> 0:39:43.000 Can you come an id these suspects that we have? 0:39:43.760 --> 0:39:45.440 And then they do a little bit of digging and 0:39:45.480 --> 0:39:48.840 they find out that this one way ticket was purchased by, surprise, surprise, 0:39:49.000 --> 0:39:50.000 the archdiocese. 0:39:50.520 --> 0:39:51.920 They go to talk to Enrique. 0:39:52.440 --> 0:39:55.480 They get Enrique's full story on tape and he's basically 0:39:55.560 --> 0:39:59.000 explaining that his sister Angelica was twelve when the abuse started. 0:39:59.400 --> 0:40:02.040 He was six teen and his mom thought they would 0:40:02.040 --> 0:40:05.000 all be safe at Catholic school. But then something went 0:40:05.040 --> 0:40:08.399 on with Angelica. She started drinking, smoking pot. His mom 0:40:08.440 --> 0:40:12.160 said she was a sinner. And then he said, Angelica 0:40:12.160 --> 0:40:13.280 gets crazy at the holiday. 0:40:13.400 --> 0:40:15.960 She came to Thanksgiving Stone, so I went off on her. 0:40:16.360 --> 0:40:19.120 She broke down and said he's never been there for 0:40:19.160 --> 0:40:22.520 her before, especially the Christmas when she was thirteen and 0:40:22.560 --> 0:40:24.720 she got pregnant and he made her have an abortion. 0:40:24.840 --> 0:40:27.000 And he says he never knew any of this stuff. 0:40:27.560 --> 0:40:30.400 And all that time with Father Shay, he thought that 0:40:30.440 --> 0:40:33.200 she was that she was being counseled by him, and 0:40:33.280 --> 0:40:36.600 he said it happened because she was evil and that 0:40:36.640 --> 0:40:40.640 she seduced him. So Father Shay said he was trying 0:40:40.640 --> 0:40:43.880 to exercise her sex demon. That's what That's what Enrique 0:40:44.040 --> 0:40:47.080 is saying, like that, you know the reason he was 0:40:47.440 --> 0:40:50.280 raping this teen girl is to exercise her sex demon. 0:40:51.080 --> 0:40:53.440 Wild wild stuff in that Bible of yours. 0:40:54.080 --> 0:40:57.839 So liv says, if your sister can corroborate, a jury 0:40:57.880 --> 0:40:59.719 would understand why you did what you did. 0:40:59.719 --> 0:41:00.920 And he says, no, no, no. 0:41:00.800 --> 0:41:03.920 Angelica is in rehab, she's a mess, asks Shay yourself, 0:41:03.960 --> 0:41:05.000 he'll confess to what he did. 0:41:05.080 --> 0:41:05.520 I'm sure. 0:41:06.120 --> 0:41:08.920 Meanwhile, Finn and Rollins try to get Sam out and 0:41:09.000 --> 0:41:11.799 this pissy eightya guy will not budge, and he's like, 0:41:12.160 --> 0:41:14.440 you got to get Father Shay to id the actual 0:41:14.480 --> 0:41:17.040 guys who did it, which seems insane because they have 0:41:17.160 --> 0:41:19.640 both confessed, so it seems weird that you would also 0:41:19.680 --> 0:41:24.040 need an identification. And the two witnesses are also saying 0:41:24.200 --> 0:41:26.560 that he was a good Samaritan, so I would think 0:41:26.560 --> 0:41:29.200 he would be covered by a New York Good Samaritan law, 0:41:29.239 --> 0:41:32.960 Like remember the Seinfeld finale when they violated this good 0:41:33.000 --> 0:41:36.000 Samaritan law. But like I think, if you jump in 0:41:36.080 --> 0:41:38.480 to help someone, you're covered by a good Samaritan law. 0:41:38.600 --> 0:41:41.000 So it's weird that he's so stuck in jail. But 0:41:41.040 --> 0:41:44.560 also it's a broken system. So at the identification at 0:41:44.560 --> 0:41:47.160 the lineup, Father Shay's like, I don't want to send 0:41:47.200 --> 0:41:50.880 anyone to jail, like I won't testify, but he eventually 0:41:50.920 --> 0:41:53.600 id's Enrique to save Sam because he knows he kind 0:41:53.600 --> 0:41:55.040 of has to do it to get this innocent man 0:41:55.080 --> 0:41:56.920 who helped him out of jail. But he's like, I 0:41:56.960 --> 0:42:00.640 won't testify, and I think Enrique deserves forgive and live 0:42:00.719 --> 0:42:04.760 gives him a filthy side eye and then brings up Angelica. 0:42:05.040 --> 0:42:08.120 Then they cut to them showing Enrique's video confession to 0:42:08.200 --> 0:42:09.840 Father Shay and he's. 0:42:09.680 --> 0:42:11.640 Going no, no, no, no, no, no no, but he's 0:42:11.680 --> 0:42:13.120 also saying God forgive me. 0:42:13.280 --> 0:42:15.360 And then they go to another commercial break, like on 0:42:15.640 --> 0:42:18.359 a very confusing vibe, like what's going on? Like he's 0:42:18.360 --> 0:42:21.160 saying no, he's saying this didn't happen, but also saying 0:42:21.160 --> 0:42:21.759 God forgive me. 0:42:21.840 --> 0:42:22.560 So what is up? 0:42:23.480 --> 0:42:26.040 This is a packed fourth act, by the way, this 0:42:26.280 --> 0:42:29.960 last act of the episode for how SPU usually goes down, 0:42:30.040 --> 0:42:33.080 there's no, uh, not a lot of trial stuff in 0:42:33.120 --> 0:42:36.640 this episode. So anyway, Finn and Rollin's go pay a 0:42:36.719 --> 0:42:40.920 visit to Angelica. They tell her she could help Enrique 0:42:40.960 --> 0:42:44.240 if she testifies that she was abused and i'd the abuser, 0:42:44.800 --> 0:42:47.319 and then they bring a bunch of priests in for 0:42:47.360 --> 0:42:50.640 a lineup, which I do not understand why that's necessary, 0:42:50.680 --> 0:42:53.040 Like she knows the name of the priest who assaulted her, 0:42:53.040 --> 0:42:55.120 she was a member of his church. Like it's not 0:42:55.160 --> 0:42:58.440 a stranger danger situation, Like Okay, who's the guy that 0:42:58.960 --> 0:43:01.400 hit your car and then ran? Like you know this 0:43:01.440 --> 0:43:03.719 man named him, so she could have just named him. 0:43:04.120 --> 0:43:07.960 But anyway, they undo, they show the lineup. Father Shay's 0:43:07.960 --> 0:43:09.959 in the lineup. She goes, oh, number four is father 0:43:10.040 --> 0:43:11.920 Shay and they're like, oh, so he's the one that 0:43:11.920 --> 0:43:13.840 detects you and she's like, no, he is not the 0:43:13.840 --> 0:43:16.680 one who did it. And then when they're talking to 0:43:16.719 --> 0:43:19.880 father Shay, he's going, if Angelica won't say what happened, 0:43:19.920 --> 0:43:20.680 I won't see either. 0:43:20.760 --> 0:43:22.319 So we're like, what is going on here? 0:43:22.880 --> 0:43:27.520 And he says, she confessed to him and so that's 0:43:27.520 --> 0:43:29.719 a confession and that's protected, and Tomorrow is like, you're 0:43:29.760 --> 0:43:31.640 not allowed to use confession to cover up a crime, 0:43:31.800 --> 0:43:32.279 so he knows. 0:43:32.320 --> 0:43:33.400 He's kind of getting cornered. 0:43:34.440 --> 0:43:37.239 Rollins and Live are still talking to Angelica and she's like, 0:43:37.320 --> 0:43:39.239 this priest made me get an abortion, but it wasn't 0:43:39.280 --> 0:43:42.520 father Shay. Father Shay found me bleeding after my abortion 0:43:42.600 --> 0:43:45.520 and helped me and I she confessed everything to him, 0:43:45.960 --> 0:43:48.600 and she's really apprehensive about telling them. 0:43:48.440 --> 0:43:50.080 Like who what the name is of the person? 0:43:50.360 --> 0:43:54.720 Okay, Father Shay knows who molested Angelica, but tells Tomorrow 0:43:54.800 --> 0:43:56.600 that he can't tell him because of his vows. 0:43:57.440 --> 0:44:00.360 Wait, BT dubs have you seen Shake Huleh is the 0:44:00.360 --> 0:44:02.279 Grinch who stole Christmas? 0:44:02.400 --> 0:44:04.920 Very sexual Grinch. How much makeup is that? 0:44:04.960 --> 0:44:08.279 Because she has another number in that show, like for 0:44:08.440 --> 0:44:12.360 one number, getting into full Grinch makeup and then dancing 0:44:12.480 --> 0:44:13.160 so sexy. 0:44:13.320 --> 0:44:15.120 I like what. 0:44:15.520 --> 0:44:19.040 I think she wore a Grinch thing on drag Race 0:44:19.440 --> 0:44:20.040 at one point. 0:44:20.360 --> 0:44:23.280 I don't remember that. Maybe it was the Christmas special. 0:44:23.920 --> 0:44:26.120 Maybe I think I've seen her in a Grinch thing 0:44:26.160 --> 0:44:27.279 on television, but I don't. 0:44:27.280 --> 0:44:29.920 I'm not sure by but it is so good, the 0:44:30.040 --> 0:44:33.920 dance is so good. So you know, Quen. 0:44:34.000 --> 0:44:36.720 Sexy monsters all the time. It's really funny. 0:44:36.800 --> 0:44:37.120 Yeah. 0:44:37.680 --> 0:44:40.839 She also recently in her stories, I couldn't believe it, 0:44:41.280 --> 0:44:43.440 started singing a jingle. Oh I told you this, a 0:44:43.520 --> 0:44:49.200 jingle from Chicago, a fur store. Feel the warmth of 0:44:49.360 --> 0:44:55.480 luxury that you deserve Andreanifer's. I mean, I couldn't believe it, 0:44:55.680 --> 0:45:00.480 Like my mind exploded when I saw her singing that. Anyways, 0:45:00.480 --> 0:45:06.360 get back to these molesting priests confessions secrets Enrique, Angelica, Sophia. 0:45:06.160 --> 0:45:12.839 So many holiday you gotta talk about priests so God. Basically, 0:45:13.080 --> 0:45:17.120 Father Shay says he knows who molested Angelica, but tells 0:45:17.120 --> 0:45:19.839 Tomorrow that he won't tell him who it is because 0:45:19.880 --> 0:45:22.399 of his vows, and he's like, I promise this bad 0:45:22.480 --> 0:45:23.960 priest swore he wouldn't. 0:45:23.560 --> 0:45:24.160 Do it anymore. 0:45:24.200 --> 0:45:26.959 And Tomorrow's kind of like, come on, dog, like, first 0:45:26.960 --> 0:45:28.680 of all, that's not true. Second of all, I can't 0:45:28.680 --> 0:45:30.279 take your word for that shit, Like I'm doing my 0:45:30.360 --> 0:45:32.680 job here. And Tomorrow's like putting on the pressure and 0:45:32.680 --> 0:45:36.120 he's like, you're covering up for a pedophile, and he's like, who. 0:45:35.920 --> 0:45:37.399 Could mean this much to you? 0:45:37.440 --> 0:45:39.239 Like why would this mean so much to you to 0:45:39.320 --> 0:45:42.479 not like turn this person in? And basically it hits 0:45:42.520 --> 0:45:46.400 Tomorrow and he goes, oh, I'm sorry, father. So essentially 0:45:46.480 --> 0:45:48.880 Tomorrow figures it out that they're looking at the wrong 0:45:49.040 --> 0:45:53.520 sin and that father Shay Twist is Sophia's dad. 0:45:53.920 --> 0:45:54.920 The reason he's covering this. 0:45:54.920 --> 0:45:56.200 All up is because he doesn't want it to get 0:45:56.239 --> 0:45:59.360 out that he committed an indiscretion as a priest, fathered 0:45:59.360 --> 0:46:03.960 a child. That hurts Margarita, that hurts Sophia, that hurts him, like, 0:46:04.040 --> 0:46:05.839 it's just like he wants it to keep it all in. 0:46:06.480 --> 0:46:10.000 No, I'm sorry, I don't. It's not about all these people. 0:46:10.000 --> 0:46:12.799 It's about him. He wants to keep being a priest, right. 0:46:13.840 --> 0:46:18.320 But what happened was Menendez the monsignor. He knew about 0:46:18.360 --> 0:46:21.200 this because Margarita confessed to him that they were in love. 0:46:21.920 --> 0:46:25.080 So Shae went to Menendez and Menendez said, can you 0:46:25.120 --> 0:46:27.880 hear my confession? And he told Father Shay what he 0:46:27.920 --> 0:46:30.440 did to Angelica, And then he said, once he confessed 0:46:30.480 --> 0:46:32.840 to me, I was bound by my vows. 0:46:32.840 --> 0:46:33.120 Again. 0:46:33.160 --> 0:46:35.680 I still don't think you're allowed to cover up crimes 0:46:35.680 --> 0:46:37.879 in a confession, but maybe I'm wrong. Like I think, 0:46:38.120 --> 0:46:40.759 like there's doctor client privilege, but if there's a crime, 0:46:40.800 --> 0:46:41.680 you have to report it. 0:46:41.719 --> 0:46:42.760 I don't I think. 0:46:42.840 --> 0:46:46.839 But and Olivia's like, you endangered other girls. But he's 0:46:46.840 --> 0:46:48.600 like he promised he would never do it again and 0:46:48.640 --> 0:46:51.400 lives like were you born yesterday? Pedophiles are great at lying. 0:46:51.920 --> 0:46:53.880 He goes no. Margarita keeps an eye on him, and 0:46:53.920 --> 0:46:56.440 I come back every year for ten years to hear 0:46:56.480 --> 0:46:58.800 his confession. And I really don't think he's hurt anyone 0:46:58.800 --> 0:47:00.000 else since Angelica. 0:47:00.120 --> 0:47:02.200 It's like, okay, dude, and. 0:47:02.239 --> 0:47:04.960 She's like, you are legally obligated to report a crime, 0:47:05.000 --> 0:47:08.680 and you have to testify against Menendez and he kind 0:47:08.680 --> 0:47:11.440 of understands that that's what's up, and Amarro's like, your 0:47:11.480 --> 0:47:13.680 transgression is going to come out, so maybe you want 0:47:13.719 --> 0:47:15.719 to give your little baby girl, Sophia a heads up. 0:47:16.480 --> 0:47:19.959 So now Enrique is talking to Angelica, explaining to him 0:47:20.000 --> 0:47:22.759 that it wasn't Father Shay, and he assumed because Father 0:47:22.840 --> 0:47:25.719 Shay got sent away that that's what happens when there's 0:47:25.719 --> 0:47:28.200 a pedophile priest. And I just feel very bad for 0:47:28.320 --> 0:47:31.239 Enriquane Angelica. Like, Angelica's like, he got the wrong priest. 0:47:31.320 --> 0:47:32.680 Can you let him out? And they're like that's not 0:47:32.680 --> 0:47:33.000 how it. 0:47:32.920 --> 0:47:35.799 Works, girl, Like it's just very sad, like they're just 0:47:35.840 --> 0:47:39.280 two people that are very broken by the greedy actions 0:47:39.360 --> 0:47:44.400 of pedophile men. So Finn is on the phone with 0:47:44.480 --> 0:47:47.440 Teresa being like, I know it's Christmas Eve. I'm working 0:47:47.440 --> 0:47:50.040 on this NonStop. She hangs up on him. It's like okay, 0:47:50.080 --> 0:47:52.400 But then Finn gets an idea. He shows up to 0:47:52.520 --> 0:47:55.680 the judge's house. It's Christmas Eve. The judge, this is 0:47:55.719 --> 0:47:58.680 the judge who granted him remand he's with his grandkids 0:47:58.680 --> 0:48:01.400 and he's like this is not my and it's like, ugh, 0:48:01.680 --> 0:48:04.239 come on, like help out, and he's been on four 0:48:04.280 --> 0:48:06.719 episodes this guy. This is his most recent episode that 0:48:06.760 --> 0:48:09.080 he was on, I think his last one. He's like, 0:48:09.280 --> 0:48:11.520 let my guy out for the holidays, Like we have 0:48:11.600 --> 0:48:13.839 so much evidence that he's innocent, Like just like this 0:48:13.880 --> 0:48:16.239 is bureaucracy, this is paperwork, just like let it happen. 0:48:16.280 --> 0:48:17.239 And he's like, all. 0:48:17.200 --> 0:48:20.319 Right, but he's your responsibility and Finn's like yeah, yeah, yah, 0:48:20.320 --> 0:48:20.799 I got him. 0:48:21.200 --> 0:48:24.440 So then Sam is free. It's a Christmas miracle. 0:48:24.960 --> 0:48:27.800 But Live is about to shit can her Behavian vacation 0:48:28.200 --> 0:48:30.560 to go after Menendez and Amorro's like no, no, no, 0:48:30.640 --> 0:48:32.640 just go, I've got this and Lives like, no, no, no, 0:48:32.719 --> 0:48:35.640 I handle these things. And Amarro's like, girl, get on 0:48:35.680 --> 0:48:37.360 that plane and get a mye tie. 0:48:37.400 --> 0:48:38.160 I'll handle this. 0:48:38.520 --> 0:48:40.239 And he's like this is my Christmas gift to you, 0:48:40.280 --> 0:48:43.120 and she goes, I want jewelry next year. Cute they 0:48:43.200 --> 0:48:48.120 hug and then we see Finn bringing home Sam for 0:48:48.320 --> 0:48:50.920 little Dante and it's so sweet. I actually teared up 0:48:50.960 --> 0:48:52.399 at this, like I just thought it was so cute. 0:48:52.400 --> 0:48:54.719 He was like dad, and like then they all are, 0:48:54.880 --> 0:48:56.520 and then Rollins is like I'm gonna get going, and 0:48:56.520 --> 0:48:58.719 they're like I don't think so your family and you 0:48:58.840 --> 0:49:02.320 kind of see where you know, Finn and Rollin's relationship 0:49:02.360 --> 0:49:06.200 comes into play here, because like they're really sweet and well. 0:49:06.120 --> 0:49:08.320 It's also Chris, you're gonna let this woman eat alone 0:49:08.360 --> 0:49:09.640 in her house of course? 0:49:10.000 --> 0:49:15.120 Yeah, yeah, yeah, and so all like Christmas music starts 0:49:15.160 --> 0:49:18.000 to swell, and this is like, there is this like 0:49:18.400 --> 0:49:20.480 a show called The Killing that Jared and I used 0:49:20.520 --> 0:49:20.920 to watch. 0:49:21.239 --> 0:49:23.239 At the end of The Killing, they would always. 0:49:22.920 --> 0:49:25.040 Do like a little thing where music would play and 0:49:25.080 --> 0:49:26.320 they would show you what every. 0:49:26.160 --> 0:49:26.959 Character was doing. 0:49:27.000 --> 0:49:29.120 And Jared would always saying, it's the part of The 0:49:29.200 --> 0:49:32.080 Killing where they check in on everybody, And so I 0:49:32.120 --> 0:49:34.359 thought this was like the part of SVU where they 0:49:34.400 --> 0:49:38.000 check in on everybody. So we're seeing everybody. The Christmas 0:49:38.080 --> 0:49:40.560 music is swelling, We're like getting everybody's little end of 0:49:40.560 --> 0:49:44.440 the episode a status update. Angelica's on the street kind 0:49:44.480 --> 0:49:47.120 of like staring at a manger, and then we see 0:49:47.160 --> 0:49:51.359 she sort of watches Menendez, the monsignor who molested her, 0:49:51.840 --> 0:49:54.000 go with the choir into the church and we see 0:49:54.040 --> 0:49:56.640 him put his arm around a very young teenage girl. 0:49:57.160 --> 0:50:00.400 And then we see Father Shay walking with Mark Garita 0:50:00.480 --> 0:50:03.480 and Sophia very cute. Then we see Finn's family sitting 0:50:03.520 --> 0:50:05.840 down to eat like a pineapple ham or something. I 0:50:05.840 --> 0:50:10.120 don't really know, Christmas foods. But Amorrow shows up at 0:50:10.160 --> 0:50:12.920 the same judge's house and that judge is like, okay, 0:50:13.040 --> 0:50:17.160 enough is enough, don't you guys to leave me alone? 0:50:17.520 --> 0:50:20.279 And the judge is like, he's basically like, you gotta 0:50:20.320 --> 0:50:22.520 sign this warrant. We got to pick up this molester tonight. 0:50:22.840 --> 0:50:25.319 And he's like, okay, but let him finish mass. And 0:50:25.360 --> 0:50:29.920 it's like, I mean, okay, these religious fucking judges cut 0:50:30.000 --> 0:50:30.520 two weeks. 0:50:30.680 --> 0:50:32.160 We cut to Live on the plane. 0:50:32.239 --> 0:50:35.760 She's talking a Nick on the phone and she's like, okay, great, great, 0:50:35.760 --> 0:50:37.960 you got him, Okay, awesome, hangs up, and then we 0:50:38.040 --> 0:50:41.040 see her hold a man's hand, but we do not 0:50:41.160 --> 0:50:44.759 see his body. Some sneaky dick wolf shit, but it's 0:50:44.760 --> 0:50:48.640 definitely Cassidy. And then the next scene, Amorrow is at 0:50:48.640 --> 0:50:52.240 the church and he's heading up the stairs to arrest 0:50:52.280 --> 0:50:55.200 this guy when we hear bang bang bang gunshots. This 0:50:55.280 --> 0:50:57.200 is like a very twisty ending. To me, I thought 0:50:57.239 --> 0:51:00.000 that the music meant okay, everything's gonna like just end. 0:51:00.040 --> 0:51:03.560 And then we hear gunshots. He runs in. Menendez is 0:51:03.640 --> 0:51:05.480 lying there in the arms of like I don't know what, 0:51:05.520 --> 0:51:09.799 a junior priest, and he's bloody and dead. Angelica is 0:51:09.840 --> 0:51:12.359 sobbing off to the side. The gun is nearby, and 0:51:12.400 --> 0:51:14.799 he says I was here to arrest him, like I 0:51:14.880 --> 0:51:17.239 was just about to do it, and she's like, it's 0:51:17.280 --> 0:51:21.400 too late, and then off of the dead priest. Happy 0:51:21.400 --> 0:51:23.960 holidays from Dick wolf baby, and that's it. 0:51:24.200 --> 0:51:25.240 Yeah, it's just sad. 0:51:25.320 --> 0:51:28.880 It's very white lotus where it's like great, So the 0:51:29.040 --> 0:51:32.640 victims of everything just end up going to jail forever. 0:51:33.120 --> 0:51:37.759 Yeah, Yeah, she's gonna go to jail for a bit. Yeah. 0:51:38.200 --> 0:51:40.359 I mean, I'm sure the jury will consider that this 0:51:40.400 --> 0:51:42.160 is a priest who molested her enforce her to have 0:51:42.160 --> 0:51:43.960 an abortion, are we. 0:51:43.680 --> 0:51:46.280 I mean, how many cases have we covered up women 0:51:46.360 --> 0:51:48.280 being executed. 0:51:49.120 --> 0:51:49.640 Their past? 0:51:49.880 --> 0:51:53.879 Like right, you're right, and people fucking love priests no 0:51:53.880 --> 0:51:54.480 matter what. 0:51:55.280 --> 0:51:56.960 Well, I can't wait for you to tell us more 0:51:57.000 --> 0:51:58.880 about that, or when we get back from our break, 0:51:59.120 --> 0:52:01.719 I'll let you know. This was the easiest, most succinct, 0:52:01.800 --> 0:52:03.840 simple crime to research. 0:52:03.960 --> 0:52:21.200 JK all right, welcome back. We're going to talk about 0:52:21.280 --> 0:52:25.600 Catholic sex crimes. Is that a new Dick Wolf show? 0:52:25.840 --> 0:52:26.200 Maybe? 0:52:26.760 --> 0:52:27.160 Yeah. 0:52:28.480 --> 0:52:31.799 So you know, like what's really hard about this is 0:52:32.200 --> 0:52:37.759 it's global. You know, it's like Australia, Ireland, South America. 0:52:37.800 --> 0:52:41.560 Anywhere where there's a church, there's abuse happening. So it 0:52:41.680 --> 0:52:46.880 was kind of daunting in a way, and it's just 0:52:47.480 --> 0:52:51.680 it's really unfathomable and it's probably like the biggest metaphor 0:52:51.719 --> 0:52:55.560 to our lives as humans is just this institution doesn't 0:52:55.560 --> 0:53:00.720 have to pay taxes, openly molest children and no one cares. 0:53:01.920 --> 0:53:03.240 No one fucking cares. 0:53:03.320 --> 0:53:07.359 It is so weird generations and it's ongoing. It has 0:53:07.480 --> 0:53:11.279 not really like stopped in any way. So and from 0:53:11.320 --> 0:53:14.240 like when we record this to when you guys listen, 0:53:14.280 --> 0:53:16.879 there's probably gonna be a new article that comes out 0:53:16.920 --> 0:53:17.880 with like new abuse. 0:53:17.960 --> 0:53:20.880 It's really like there's never really a break. 0:53:21.000 --> 0:53:24.560 So well, we're gonna start with like just some recent 0:53:25.120 --> 0:53:28.799 Catholic sex crimes, and then we'll go down to the 0:53:29.080 --> 0:53:34.520 overall history of when there's moments of prominence and people 0:53:34.560 --> 0:53:37.920 pretend to care, and then we'll go into more specific 0:53:39.000 --> 0:53:42.080 things that have like cases that are very similar to 0:53:42.200 --> 0:53:44.960 the episode, but not exactly because there's not like a 0:53:45.040 --> 0:53:48.400 specific crime, but it's fucking Christmas. This is the Christmas 0:53:48.400 --> 0:53:53.440 episode and we're winging it and so that's what's happening. 0:53:53.480 --> 0:53:57.120 So that's how I'm gonna order everything. That's like, that's 0:53:57.120 --> 0:54:01.040 how my brain figured it out. So Jean Mark Swave, 0:54:01.400 --> 0:54:04.440 the president of the Shadow, how do you say it? 0:54:04.840 --> 0:54:06.520 Do you think it's so because. 0:54:06.239 --> 0:54:09.719 It's sau Yeah, but I love Jean. 0:54:09.760 --> 0:54:12.080 Marc Suave is like a great fucking name. 0:54:16.960 --> 0:54:20.279 So this guy, he's the president of the Independent Commission 0:54:20.320 --> 0:54:25.920 of Sexual Abuse in the Church CIASEE, and he authored 0:54:25.960 --> 0:54:29.320 this French report and that's he said that the abuse 0:54:29.400 --> 0:54:32.040 is systemic and not limited to a few black sheep 0:54:32.120 --> 0:54:35.960 that's strayed at all. So in France, between nineteen fifty 0:54:36.000 --> 0:54:38.640 and twenty twenty, around three thousand out of one hundred 0:54:38.680 --> 0:54:41.520 and fifteen thousand priests were found to be abusers. 0:54:42.320 --> 0:54:45.320 And that's in one country. Yeah, that's not a massive 0:54:45.360 --> 0:54:46.000 country either. 0:54:46.320 --> 0:54:50.359 And this this guy, Francois de Vois, who is that 0:54:50.760 --> 0:54:51.680 I should go to France. 0:54:51.680 --> 0:54:57.400 I think they'd get a kick out of me. He's 0:54:57.480 --> 0:54:57.960 the head of. 0:54:57.920 --> 0:55:02.120 The abuse victims group La Parole libret I mean stop it, 0:55:02.200 --> 0:55:03.720 I can't libery. 0:55:03.760 --> 0:55:05.680 Noadly Berat is probably right. 0:55:06.080 --> 0:55:08.600 He told the clergy men to their face in this 0:55:08.719 --> 0:55:11.840 like giant hearing really slowly. They made a point to 0:55:11.840 --> 0:55:15.400 write that he was like very deliberate in his the 0:55:15.440 --> 0:55:18.280 way he said it. There was a betrayal, a betrayal 0:55:18.320 --> 0:55:22.520 of trust, betrayal of morality, betrayal of children, betrayal of 0:55:22.640 --> 0:55:26.680 innocence of your own people, betrayal of the gossip, betrayal 0:55:26.719 --> 0:55:30.359 of the original message. It's a betrayal of everything. Will 0:55:30.400 --> 0:55:31.560 you just do a pickup? 0:55:31.640 --> 0:55:33.480 Will you just do a pickup of a betrayal of 0:55:33.520 --> 0:55:35.040 the gospel, not the gossip. 0:55:35.960 --> 0:55:40.359 No, I didn't, No, I didn't. You do not want 0:55:40.400 --> 0:55:42.520 to betray gossip. Gossip is your friend. 0:55:43.480 --> 0:55:47.560 It is the gospel, guys, but gossip is my gospel. 0:55:49.760 --> 0:55:51.160 So that was like really cool. 0:55:51.160 --> 0:55:53.759 So this recent report says that the Catholic Church is 0:55:53.800 --> 0:55:56.239 the place where the prevalence of sexual violence is at 0:55:56.239 --> 0:55:59.719 its highest outside of family and friend circle. So of 0:55:59.760 --> 0:56:02.880 all all the places anyone can commit sexual violence, the 0:56:02.960 --> 0:56:05.120 Catholic Church is number one. 0:56:05.800 --> 0:56:08.400 That is wild. 0:56:08.800 --> 0:56:11.200 And one of the archbists shops was like, oh my god, 0:56:11.239 --> 0:56:14.320 it's more than we ever could have imagined, and it's like, really, 0:56:15.960 --> 0:56:19.879 we've been saying, it's like so shocking that people ever 0:56:19.960 --> 0:56:24.520 act surprised. It's like very strange. Another case this past 0:56:24.600 --> 0:56:27.719 year from November eighth, twenty twenty one, from the New 0:56:27.800 --> 0:56:30.920 York Times is the Vatican issued acquittals in all these 0:56:30.960 --> 0:56:34.480 sexual abuse cases involving former altar boys and a priest 0:56:34.600 --> 0:56:38.120 for covering up the crimes, so there are still acquitting 0:56:38.480 --> 0:56:40.319 crimes as it happens as well. 0:56:40.960 --> 0:56:43.720 June twenty twenty one. I know we're like bouncing around. 0:56:44.360 --> 0:56:48.360 Cardinal Reinhard Marx, who was a leader in Germany's Roman 0:56:48.400 --> 0:56:52.000 Catholic Church and a member of Pope Francis's advisory council, 0:56:52.160 --> 0:56:56.240 resigned in a personal gesture to take responsibility of sexual 0:56:56.280 --> 0:56:58.880 abuses by priests. But he didn't commit any crimes, but 0:56:58.920 --> 0:57:01.320 he wanted to share the response instability and make a statement, 0:57:01.640 --> 0:57:04.000 and the Pope was like, you can't do that, and 0:57:04.120 --> 0:57:07.640 didn't let him do it. But I also don't know, 0:57:07.719 --> 0:57:11.680 it's like, why are you making this about you? 0:57:11.680 --> 0:57:12.920 You didn't commit these crimes. 0:57:12.920 --> 0:57:15.759 Why don't you just work instead of these symbolic actions 0:57:15.800 --> 0:57:16.760 of like resigning. 0:57:16.880 --> 0:57:17.720 Why at the same time. 0:57:17.840 --> 0:57:21.720 He's an innocent person that probably can't affect huge change, 0:57:21.760 --> 0:57:23.960 and so he's like, I'll give up my whole fucking 0:57:24.080 --> 0:57:26.120 life to the church, that I'd given my life to 0:57:26.160 --> 0:57:28.320 the church, and I'll give up my name just to 0:57:28.360 --> 0:57:29.720 call some attention to this shit. 0:57:29.760 --> 0:57:31.280 And the Catholic Church is like, no. 0:57:32.240 --> 0:57:37.520 Yeah, So June twenty twenty one, I mean, these are 0:57:37.680 --> 0:57:39.920 just recent cases. Like that's what I was trying to do. 0:57:40.000 --> 0:57:42.000 I was just like gonna talk about like what's happened 0:57:42.000 --> 0:57:44.440 in the past year, and it's everywhere. 0:57:44.560 --> 0:57:46.360 It's really kind of wild. 0:57:46.400 --> 0:57:49.320 So June twenty twenty one, the Catholic Church in Poland 0:57:49.480 --> 0:57:53.000 discloses hundreds of sexual abuse accusations. According to The New 0:57:53.080 --> 0:57:57.120 York Times, you can tell I have a subscription. Church 0:57:57.160 --> 0:58:00.480 authorities said they received three hundred and sixty eight reports 0:58:00.480 --> 0:58:03.720 of sexual abuse from July twenty eighteen through the end 0:58:03.760 --> 0:58:06.760 of twenty twenty. That is a year and a half, 0:58:07.040 --> 0:58:11.000 three hundred and sixty eight reports, and like half of 0:58:11.000 --> 0:58:14.080 that last year. We're in a fucking pandemic where you're 0:58:14.080 --> 0:58:16.200 probably not even like there's not even mass there's not 0:58:16.320 --> 0:58:18.520 you know what I mean. Oh my god, I didn't 0:58:18.520 --> 0:58:21.600 even think about that, and since Poland is ninety percent Catholic, 0:58:21.640 --> 0:58:24.640 it never received public attention until there was a release 0:58:24.680 --> 0:58:27.760 of two documentaries with former victims in twenty nineteen and 0:58:27.800 --> 0:58:30.920 twenty twenty, and then the church started to scramble to 0:58:30.960 --> 0:58:33.480 show that they're taking this serious. But when you have 0:58:33.760 --> 0:58:37.000 such a devout country, it is hard for anyone to 0:58:37.080 --> 0:58:39.840 do anything about it because no one cares and everyone's 0:58:39.880 --> 0:58:43.640 like delusional about God. But right now in Poland, a 0:58:43.640 --> 0:58:46.120 lot of young people are leaving the church, especially with 0:58:46.160 --> 0:58:49.440 like the anti abortion stuff that's happening, and they are 0:58:49.480 --> 0:58:51.240 just seeing the hypocrisy of everything. 0:58:51.280 --> 0:58:52.800 So young people are leaving the church. 0:58:52.880 --> 0:58:58.000 But Poland is very conservative, devout Catholics. There's been some 0:58:58.080 --> 0:59:02.760 resignations in Poland, some forced early retirements. Archbishop and his 0:59:02.840 --> 0:59:05.600 name is Pollock. I don't know what to tell you this. 0:59:05.960 --> 0:59:09.800 It's it's Archbishop pole, it's Polak. I'm not saying a slur. 0:59:10.240 --> 0:59:13.360 It is what it's. It's that's his name. There's nothing 0:59:13.400 --> 0:59:14.240 he can do about it. 0:59:15.040 --> 0:59:19.960 So Archbishop Pollock said that the church deserved the public's 0:59:20.000 --> 0:59:22.640 trust and that its system for responding to harm against 0:59:22.720 --> 0:59:30.440 miners is working. So they're deranged. They're deranged, like it's yeah. 0:59:30.200 --> 0:59:31.000 So yeah. 0:59:31.040 --> 0:59:33.360 So other recent scoop from the New York Times is 0:59:33.360 --> 0:59:36.000 like Fall of twenty twenty one is about a Brooklyn 0:59:36.160 --> 0:59:39.520 bishop and who the Vatican cleared of charges from the 0:59:39.600 --> 0:59:42.360 nineteen seventies when he was a young priest in Jersey City. 0:59:42.480 --> 0:59:47.120 Truly cleared it. I don't understand what's happening. There are 0:59:47.120 --> 0:59:50.640 two civil live lawsuits left from that, but the Church 0:59:50.680 --> 0:59:54.680 will not discipline them at all. The bishop denies any 0:59:54.720 --> 0:59:57.480 in all wrongdoing and said in his fifty year ministry 0:59:57.520 --> 0:59:59.200 he has never abused anybody. 1:00:00.120 --> 1:00:00.520 I don't know. 1:00:01.120 --> 1:00:04.640 The Bishop Demarcio allegations started to pop up just one 1:00:04.680 --> 1:00:07.920 month after Pope Francis chose him to investigate the handling 1:00:07.960 --> 1:00:11.720 of sex abuse claims by the Buffalo dioceses. So my 1:00:11.800 --> 1:00:14.680 point here is, like the people that the Church is 1:00:14.800 --> 1:00:20.000 choosing to do the internal investigations also are abusing people 1:00:20.320 --> 1:00:23.480 and do not see any crimes happening and are clearing 1:00:23.520 --> 1:00:26.720 the priests like they're acting like they're more serious with 1:00:26.760 --> 1:00:30.440 their investigations, but their standards of investigations are letting people 1:00:30.560 --> 1:00:32.760 just kind of be Yeah, I mean, if. 1:00:32.680 --> 1:00:36.120 You really cared about actually like ridding your institution of 1:00:36.160 --> 1:00:38.880 these people. You would hire a third party to come 1:00:38.960 --> 1:00:40.520 do the investigation, Like if you don't want it to 1:00:40.560 --> 1:00:43.200 be the government or whatever because of biases or whatever, 1:00:43.200 --> 1:00:45.440 you think that you can hire like third party. 1:00:45.560 --> 1:00:48.200 You know, Oh we'll get there. You don't think that. 1:00:48.280 --> 1:00:50.200 You don't think the cops in the judicial system have 1:00:50.400 --> 1:00:52.680 covered up and helped the church get away with crimes. 1:00:53.240 --> 1:00:57.720 Girl, what podcasts are we doing? Yeah? 1:00:57.840 --> 1:00:58.000 So? 1:00:58.240 --> 1:01:00.680 And then with these civil lawsuits that I just mentioned, 1:01:00.720 --> 1:01:02.640 and like what's happening, especially in New York and on 1:01:02.680 --> 1:01:03.360 the East Coast. 1:01:03.920 --> 1:01:04.680 There's been like a. 1:01:04.640 --> 1:01:08.000 Wave of people coming forward and that stemmed from a 1:01:08.040 --> 1:01:11.880 twenty eighteen giant report from the Pennsylvania Grand Jury that 1:01:12.040 --> 1:01:15.479 documented a decade's long history of clergy sex abuse there. 1:01:15.960 --> 1:01:19.480 That grand jury report in Pennsylvania is out of control. 1:01:19.760 --> 1:01:23.960 They found out that the Diocese of Altuna Johnstown police officers, 1:01:24.080 --> 1:01:28.880 district attorneys, and judges colluded with two former bishops to 1:01:28.960 --> 1:01:34.080 cover up allegations against priests, and basically, bishops and other 1:01:34.160 --> 1:01:37.080 leaders in the Catholic Church in Pennsylvania covered up sexual 1:01:37.120 --> 1:01:39.640 abuse by more than three hundred priests over a period 1:01:39.640 --> 1:01:43.200 of seventy years while persuading victims not to report the 1:01:43.240 --> 1:01:46.640 abuse and for law enforcement not to investigate it. They 1:01:46.720 --> 1:01:52.280 legit found a thousand identifiable victims, so not counting those 1:01:52.320 --> 1:01:54.400 who have been too scared to come forward, or records 1:01:54.400 --> 1:01:57.480 that were lost of older victims or people that have died. Like, truly, 1:01:57.760 --> 1:02:02.560 a thousand identifiable victims, and the reports are beyond sick. 1:02:02.640 --> 1:02:04.280 It's a priest who raped a young girl in the 1:02:04.280 --> 1:02:08.080 hospital after shad her tonsils out. We're talking a victim 1:02:08.440 --> 1:02:11.200 who was tied up and whipped with leather straps by 1:02:11.200 --> 1:02:13.800 a priest. We're talking a priest who was allowed to 1:02:13.880 --> 1:02:16.720 stay in the ministry after impregnating a young girl and 1:02:16.840 --> 1:02:21.400 arranging for her abortion. One priest abused five sisters in 1:02:21.440 --> 1:02:24.960 the same family and one girl who's abused started at 1:02:25.000 --> 1:02:29.720 eighteen months old. No, these are predators and they know 1:02:29.800 --> 1:02:33.400 where to hunt. These are not accidental devil actions. This 1:02:33.480 --> 1:02:36.480 is not these are you know, Benson talks about this 1:02:36.600 --> 1:02:39.320 all the time. These are predators who know where to hunt, 1:02:39.480 --> 1:02:43.080 they know where to go. I'm I'm curious to find 1:02:43.120 --> 1:02:46.520 out how many people become priests just to molest yeah 1:02:46.560 --> 1:02:48.400 and get away with it. You know, like how I 1:02:48.400 --> 1:02:50.320 feel like how many cops might join to just like 1:02:50.440 --> 1:02:53.000 kill black people. It's like, we don't really know the 1:02:53.000 --> 1:02:57.000 motives of these people, but these it's like so fucking twisted. 1:02:58.640 --> 1:03:00.480 And some of the bishops there are still denying the 1:03:00.480 --> 1:03:03.520 idea that the church concealed abuse, and they deny any 1:03:03.560 --> 1:03:06.800 cover up at all. But that report that I'm talking 1:03:06.840 --> 1:03:10.160 about in Pennsylvania helped propel the passage of long stalled 1:03:10.280 --> 1:03:13.320 laws in New York and New Jersey and other states 1:03:13.320 --> 1:03:16.520 that allowed victims of childhood sex abuse to file civil 1:03:16.560 --> 1:03:21.280 suits long after the statute of limitations has passed. So 1:03:21.520 --> 1:03:24.080 there's been an uptick of cases. During my research, I 1:03:24.120 --> 1:03:27.880 actually found a lot of like not ambulance chasing, but 1:03:27.960 --> 1:03:32.160 a lot of prest ambulance chasing vibes where it's like 1:03:32.160 --> 1:03:34.440 like there are just now lawyers that are like, hey, 1:03:34.800 --> 1:03:35.600 we're here to help. 1:03:35.800 --> 1:03:38.439 So, yeah, are they sla I don't. 1:03:38.560 --> 1:03:41.600 I ambulance chasing seems slimy, but in this case. 1:03:41.440 --> 1:03:41.680 I don't. 1:03:41.760 --> 1:03:44.200 Here take all the fucking Catholic churches money. They don't 1:03:44.520 --> 1:03:45.240 pay taxes. 1:03:45.680 --> 1:03:50.120 Yeah. So, and the New York dioceses then released the 1:03:50.160 --> 1:03:54.080 list of all clergymen that had credible accusations of abuse. 1:03:55.160 --> 1:03:56.280 So they released this. 1:03:56.240 --> 1:03:59.960 List, and then different organizations and like legal firms create 1:04:00.120 --> 1:04:03.720 to interactive databases of all those names, so if you're 1:04:03.760 --> 1:04:06.680 someone that was abused, you can go into this database, 1:04:06.880 --> 1:04:10.560 find your priest, and then go to your lawyer. The 1:04:10.600 --> 1:04:13.360 fact that there's a whole database, it's like it's so telling. 1:04:13.360 --> 1:04:15.280 I mean, I don't think I'm like revealed, Like maybe 1:04:15.320 --> 1:04:17.160 these cases are new to people, but I don't think 1:04:17.200 --> 1:04:18.520 I'm revealing anything new. 1:04:19.040 --> 1:04:19.960 Can I ask a question? 1:04:20.120 --> 1:04:22.000 Might be stupid, but I hope I know the answer, 1:04:22.160 --> 1:04:24.960 Like why are you moving priests? Like if you find 1:04:25.000 --> 1:04:27.120 out that a priest been like molesting people, why not 1:04:27.240 --> 1:04:29.040 just like fire the priest and be like, hey, the 1:04:29.040 --> 1:04:31.920 priest decided to move to fucking Guatemala and just fire 1:04:31.960 --> 1:04:34.880 them and like nobody, you know, you don't report it. 1:04:34.960 --> 1:04:35.400 Whatever. 1:04:36.040 --> 1:04:38.040 Are you in such a shortage for priests that you're 1:04:38.040 --> 1:04:39.720 just gonna allow them to go to a different parish 1:04:39.760 --> 1:04:40.680 and keep molesting. 1:04:40.920 --> 1:04:43.800 Well, I think that's like what the French guy was saying, 1:04:43.840 --> 1:04:46.600 where it's like it's deliberate cover ups and they have 1:04:46.640 --> 1:04:49.800 a disdain for victims, like they don't care. 1:04:50.400 --> 1:04:51.760 It's callous and mean. 1:04:51.880 --> 1:04:54.200 I think these like I think your question is like, 1:04:54.280 --> 1:04:56.680 why don't they act in faith since they're people of 1:04:56.720 --> 1:04:59.440 God and they're not. They're flawed individuals. They are not 1:04:59.560 --> 1:05:02.400 the body of crime. They are people. We know tons 1:05:02.440 --> 1:05:05.320 of people. People are bad, you know, and so I 1:05:05.360 --> 1:05:08.280 think it's bad people protecting their friends and the institution 1:05:08.560 --> 1:05:10.160 and they don't want things to get out so they 1:05:10.160 --> 1:05:11.280 can continue to grift. 1:05:11.480 --> 1:05:16.160 These are grifters. These are criminal grifters. Yeah, I don't know. 1:05:16.400 --> 1:05:18.240 I don't know why you wouldn't just fire someone because 1:05:18.240 --> 1:05:20.480 then it's attention, and then that person gets charged and 1:05:20.520 --> 1:05:22.400 then they go to jail, and the people don't trust 1:05:22.480 --> 1:05:25.080 the church, and their whole thing is secrecy. They're trying 1:05:25.080 --> 1:05:27.400 to keep it as secret as possible. But you're right, 1:05:27.440 --> 1:05:28.520 they're endangering one. 1:05:28.480 --> 1:05:31.080 Yeah, because to me, it's like it's a secret. And 1:05:31.120 --> 1:05:32.680 so if you fire them and then just tell them 1:05:32.680 --> 1:05:34.200 to fucking take off in the middle of the night, 1:05:34.280 --> 1:05:36.640 that can be that's more secretive to me than keeping 1:05:36.680 --> 1:05:39.520 them in your community. But in another country where they're 1:05:39.520 --> 1:05:40.680 going to do it again, and then it's going to 1:05:40.720 --> 1:05:43.120 be like, now there's a fucking trail. Now you've shown 1:05:43.480 --> 1:05:45.720 that this person commits this crime over and over again, 1:05:45.800 --> 1:05:46.840 so it seems stupid. 1:05:46.880 --> 1:05:49.080 But I don't know. Yeah, maybe they're stupid, But you're right. 1:05:49.240 --> 1:05:52.640 I didn't understand the concept of that they blame victims 1:05:52.680 --> 1:05:54.880 and that they think victims are full of shit or whatever. 1:05:55.040 --> 1:05:58.280 Well, yeah, it's just like intimidating and making people shut up. 1:05:58.520 --> 1:06:00.720 Yeah, and they can't. 1:06:01.080 --> 1:06:04.200 So for basically like August fourteenth, twenty This is actually 1:06:04.320 --> 1:06:06.400 very confusing and I tried really hard to understand it. 1:06:06.440 --> 1:06:09.320 So like this New York Child Victims Act started, so 1:06:09.400 --> 1:06:11.880 from August fourteenth, twenty nineteen, and then the cutoff is 1:06:11.920 --> 1:06:15.320 August thirteenth, twenty twenty one, you can bring lawsuits from 1:06:15.360 --> 1:06:18.280 all past crimes no matter what the statue of limitations is. 1:06:18.800 --> 1:06:21.200 So maybe that cutoff ended, but you had to bring 1:06:21.200 --> 1:06:25.280 a case by that time. I have actual period, yea, yeah, yeah. 1:06:25.320 --> 1:06:27.920 And the New York Child Victims Act also now you 1:06:28.000 --> 1:06:30.080 may file a civil case up until the age of 1:06:30.120 --> 1:06:32.760 fifty five. It used to be only twenty three years old. 1:06:33.520 --> 1:06:36.640 Because they've done like studies where people sometimes don't even 1:06:36.680 --> 1:06:39.360 come forward that they were even raped or assaulted until 1:06:39.360 --> 1:06:42.960 their fifties until they're way older and then they're reflecting back. 1:06:43.080 --> 1:06:44.000 So I think that's good. 1:06:44.080 --> 1:06:46.520 And then criminal charges have moved up from the age 1:06:46.880 --> 1:06:48.800 up to age twenty eight, and the cutoff used to 1:06:48.800 --> 1:06:52.360 be twenty three as well. I still think that's well whatever, 1:06:52.440 --> 1:06:55.600 But so yeah, if you are a victim of childhood 1:06:55.800 --> 1:06:59.200 of ause, you could bring that up to criminal court 1:06:59.400 --> 1:07:03.160 up until twenty eight if the abuse suffered was under 1:07:03.160 --> 1:07:06.080 the age of eleven, though there is no deadline now 1:07:06.800 --> 1:07:09.960 so the government can criminally charge a sexual abuser at 1:07:10.000 --> 1:07:10.600 any time. 1:07:10.880 --> 1:07:13.760 But also so weird how you're like, eleven is the cutoff? 1:07:13.880 --> 1:07:16.120 Like if it's over eleven, maybe they were asking for it, 1:07:16.160 --> 1:07:18.680 But if it's under eleven, no, no, no, you know, 1:07:18.760 --> 1:07:19.800 we got a prosecute. 1:07:19.800 --> 1:07:21.920 Like it's just or you know what I mean, like 1:07:22.000 --> 1:07:22.479 just to choose. 1:07:22.600 --> 1:07:25.080 I thought about that for sure, and then I was like, 1:07:25.080 --> 1:07:26.080 what age would I pick? 1:07:26.120 --> 1:07:26.880 Would it be fifteen? 1:07:26.920 --> 1:07:30.040 But that's weird and that's inviting something different. But I 1:07:30.120 --> 1:07:33.280 do think that, like we react different when it's someone 1:07:33.320 --> 1:07:35.720 that's eight or someone that's fourteen, and should we or 1:07:35.720 --> 1:07:36.280 should we not? 1:07:36.480 --> 1:07:38.360 Or is that natural? Like it is really wild? 1:07:38.560 --> 1:07:40.240 Sure, I mean I think it should just be the 1:07:40.280 --> 1:07:43.360 age of consent though. I mean, I don't know if 1:07:43.360 --> 1:07:45.520 there's even a way to consent with a clergyman who 1:07:45.600 --> 1:07:47.480 kind of has like a certain power over you. But 1:07:47.640 --> 1:07:49.520 like if you're eighteen and I guess you want to 1:07:49.600 --> 1:07:50.880 have sex with a priest, I guess. 1:07:50.840 --> 1:07:53.160 Yeah, it's kind of like, you know, the guilty people 1:07:53.200 --> 1:07:54.680 are making the rules. I don't know if you saw, 1:07:54.760 --> 1:07:56.840 like last month there was the video of like Italian 1:07:56.880 --> 1:08:00.800 Parliament and all these guys in Italian government clapping and 1:08:00.880 --> 1:08:05.560 cheering because they weren't able to pass protections against harassment 1:08:05.560 --> 1:08:08.520 in the workplace for like gender disabilities and like all 1:08:08.520 --> 1:08:12.080 this stuff. Like men were like celebrating that you can 1:08:12.120 --> 1:08:14.720 continue abusing people. I think the people that are in 1:08:14.840 --> 1:08:17.519 charge in our country are abuser. I think what we're 1:08:17.560 --> 1:08:19.400 learning is everyone's an abuser. 1:08:19.439 --> 1:08:20.599 I don't know. Yeah. 1:08:20.640 --> 1:08:23.280 So yeah, when that legal window opened, its floods of 1:08:23.360 --> 1:08:26.759 lawsuits happened, and it bankrupted some organizations, which is great. 1:08:27.640 --> 1:08:30.240 So four out of eight dioceses in New York State 1:08:30.439 --> 1:08:34.280 became bankrupt, and the Boy Scouts of America also bankrupt 1:08:34.360 --> 1:08:39.760 from lawsuits because of abuse. The Brooklyn and New York 1:08:39.800 --> 1:08:44.519 diocese in just one month alone had fifteen hundred claims 1:08:44.800 --> 1:08:48.880 and just as many civil suits. But they're not bankrupt yet, 1:08:49.360 --> 1:08:52.160 so I don't know. But so now, so that's like 1:08:52.200 --> 1:08:54.640 what's just been happening in twenty twenty one. And now 1:08:54.680 --> 1:08:56.640 I'll just give you like the history of like the 1:08:56.720 --> 1:08:59.160 panic or when things have come out, and we'll see 1:08:59.160 --> 1:09:03.680 the cyclical nature of how nothing ever actually changes. So 1:09:03.760 --> 1:09:07.040 the first time, like nineteen eighties is when molestation by 1:09:07.080 --> 1:09:10.280 priests was first given significant media attention in the US 1:09:10.280 --> 1:09:14.519 and Canada. In nineteen eighty five, investigative reporter Jason Barry 1:09:15.160 --> 1:09:17.880 blew the whistle on the Catholic Church and the systemic 1:09:17.960 --> 1:09:19.360 cover up of sexual abuse. 1:09:19.439 --> 1:09:21.519 But nobody cared obviously. 1:09:21.400 --> 1:09:24.160 So that came out because we thought, you know, you 1:09:24.200 --> 1:09:27.400 mentioned earlier about like the Boston Globe article that like 1:09:27.960 --> 1:09:30.600 inspired the movie Spotlight, and it's like everyone's like that 1:09:30.880 --> 1:09:32.720 was a revelation, and it's like, nope, there was a 1:09:32.720 --> 1:09:36.439 revelation in nineteen eighty five, too big article. 1:09:36.960 --> 1:09:41.080 I didn't read it, okay, it was it was I couldn't. 1:09:42.880 --> 1:09:45.640 In the nineteen nineties, the issue began to grow, with 1:09:45.720 --> 1:09:49.599 stories popping up in Argentina, Australia, and then in nineteen 1:09:49.680 --> 1:09:53.000 ninety five the Archbishop of Vienna and Austria stepped down 1:09:53.040 --> 1:09:55.840 amid some allegations, and that like really rocked the church. 1:09:56.439 --> 1:09:59.439 And then in Ireland there were revelations of historical abuse. 1:09:59.479 --> 1:10:02.400 And then by the early two thousand's sexual abuse in 1:10:02.439 --> 1:10:05.200 the Catholic Church was a major global story. 1:10:05.240 --> 1:10:07.080 And I'm sure I remember it. 1:10:07.120 --> 1:10:09.559 I mean, like I said, like, it's always been in 1:10:09.560 --> 1:10:11.800 the background of stuff. And then in two thousand and 1:10:11.800 --> 1:10:15.680 two the Boston Globe put out this huge investigation and 1:10:15.920 --> 1:10:19.320 they exposed how pedophile priests were moved around by church 1:10:19.439 --> 1:10:23.519 leaders instead of being held accountable. And there was a 1:10:23.600 --> 1:10:27.000 church commissioned report in two thousand and four that said 1:10:27.040 --> 1:10:30.200 more than four thousand Roman Catholic priests had faced sexual 1:10:30.200 --> 1:10:33.599 abuse allegations over the last fifty years, involving more than 1:10:33.640 --> 1:10:37.719 ten thousand children. In two thousand and nine a report 1:10:37.800 --> 1:10:41.559 came out that found sexual and psychological abuse was endemic. 1:10:41.640 --> 1:10:44.720 And Catholic runs schools and orphanages in Ireland for most 1:10:44.800 --> 1:10:46.040 of the twentieth century. 1:10:46.720 --> 1:10:47.439 So yeah, these. 1:10:47.320 --> 1:10:49.880 Reports keep coming out and then it's like and then 1:10:49.960 --> 1:10:53.920 what people still go to church? I don't get it 1:10:54.720 --> 1:10:56.600 because that's like kind of the vibe that I was 1:10:56.600 --> 1:11:00.760 seeing where it's like church people are always like, ah, 1:11:00.840 --> 1:11:03.519 the liberals are like corrupting the youth, and like they're 1:11:03.520 --> 1:11:04.599 all leaving the church. 1:11:04.680 --> 1:11:07.679 And it's like, no, they're leaving the church because you're all. 1:11:07.680 --> 1:11:11.360 Hypocrites and they see the hypocrisy and that's why people 1:11:11.439 --> 1:11:11.960 are leaving. 1:11:12.000 --> 1:11:14.160 No one leave, Like, and I have friends who are 1:11:14.160 --> 1:11:16.559 sending their kids to Catholic school and I'm always kind 1:11:16.600 --> 1:11:20.200 of like why, and it's like it's usually because in 1:11:20.240 --> 1:11:22.720 whatever neighborhood they're in, it's a better school, but it's 1:11:22.720 --> 1:11:24.720 not as expensive as a private school. You know. 1:11:24.800 --> 1:11:28.320 It's like that's and you know what does better school mean? 1:11:29.000 --> 1:11:29.200 Yeah? 1:11:29.200 --> 1:11:32.920 I mean each science? What are they reading? You know, 1:11:33.040 --> 1:11:34.639 like what is better school? 1:11:35.080 --> 1:11:35.320 Yeah? 1:11:35.360 --> 1:11:35.800 I don't know. 1:11:36.560 --> 1:11:40.800 In twenty eleven, Pope Benedict told bishops that they had 1:11:40.800 --> 1:11:44.800 to report any suspected cases to local police because previously 1:11:45.320 --> 1:11:48.639 all cases were supposed to be referred to Rome, so 1:11:48.680 --> 1:11:51.360 that in twenty eleven they were like, you know what, 1:11:51.840 --> 1:11:53.600 maybe we should report to authorities. 1:11:53.760 --> 1:11:56.719 Yeah, twenty eleven. Yeah. 1:11:56.880 --> 1:12:00.880 In August twenty eighteen, Pope Francis wrote to all Roman 1:12:00.920 --> 1:12:06.479 Catholics condemning clerical sex abuse bold and demanded to end 1:12:07.000 --> 1:12:07.559 cover ups. 1:12:07.600 --> 1:12:11.360 Hey guys, can you stop doing what you're doing? Please? Please? 1:12:12.640 --> 1:12:17.160 February twenty nineteen, Francis also announced that sexual abuse, grooming 1:12:17.200 --> 1:12:21.599 miners for sex, possessing child's pornography, and covering up abuse 1:12:21.800 --> 1:12:25.160 is a criminal offense under Vatican law. So that was 1:12:25.320 --> 1:12:29.800 twenty nineteen. That was an announcement. It's just like what 1:12:30.240 --> 1:12:33.599 I I just don't get it. I don't get support. 1:12:33.640 --> 1:12:38.439 I don't get it. I don't understand it. I never whying. 1:12:39.520 --> 1:12:43.040 But like, why was grooming miners for sex chill before 1:12:43.040 --> 1:12:45.920 twenty nineteen? Like how is this such a big announcement 1:12:45.960 --> 1:12:49.640 he had to make. It's like the announcements seem like 1:12:49.760 --> 1:12:53.719 pr stunts, not actual, like wants to. 1:12:53.680 --> 1:12:56.040 Take Look, we made it a crime, and it's like okay, 1:12:56.120 --> 1:12:57.720 that's yeah, it's semantics. 1:12:57.760 --> 1:12:59.639 It's like not you know. Yeah. 1:12:59.640 --> 1:13:03.000 Because it is considered the biggest overhaul of the Roman 1:13:03.080 --> 1:13:08.120 Catholic Church's criminal code in decades, Pope Francis also broadened 1:13:08.160 --> 1:13:11.120 the definition of sexual abuse to include adults, not only 1:13:11.280 --> 1:13:12.840 children can be victimized. 1:13:13.240 --> 1:13:16.840 So that's good. I don't know. 1:13:17.360 --> 1:13:20.080 I'm glad the church realized you can rape an adult. 1:13:21.520 --> 1:13:25.000 So it's like they're telling on themselves. It is the 1:13:25.040 --> 1:13:27.479 weirdest thing. I don't care if I'm offending you. I 1:13:27.560 --> 1:13:31.599 doubt too many devout Catholics listen. But it truly is 1:13:31.640 --> 1:13:35.280 something I will never understand, never ever ever. And and 1:13:35.479 --> 1:13:37.080 you know what, I keep being like, what the fuck? 1:13:37.120 --> 1:13:37.599 What the fuck? 1:13:37.640 --> 1:13:39.760 But what is does make it so difficult to make 1:13:39.800 --> 1:13:43.559 these changes, specifically speaking like about German attempts to reform 1:13:43.600 --> 1:13:46.240 the church, has been a ton of resistance from conservative 1:13:46.240 --> 1:13:50.000 bishops and priests who are opposed to altered church doctrines. 1:13:50.479 --> 1:13:53.240 So like that's the thing that people within the organizations 1:13:53.240 --> 1:13:55.800 are old school and they keep fighting for old school shit, 1:13:55.960 --> 1:13:58.680 and like they don't want to change church doctrines. 1:14:00.120 --> 1:14:02.280 And Hans Zolner, one of. 1:14:02.200 --> 1:14:06.240 The leading church authorities on sexual abuse, said that including 1:14:06.280 --> 1:14:09.919 adults is too broad. And the problem is if everyone 1:14:10.040 --> 1:14:13.040 in quotes, if everyone can claim to be abused in 1:14:13.080 --> 1:14:16.599 any situation, how do you prove that it's very foggy 1:14:17.000 --> 1:14:19.160 some things that aren't as clear as you think or 1:14:19.200 --> 1:14:22.040 may wish for them to be end quote. And that's 1:14:22.040 --> 1:14:24.879 one of the leading church authorities on sexual abuse. 1:14:26.040 --> 1:14:28.120 So this guy is the leader of. 1:14:28.160 --> 1:14:32.599 Sexual abuse in the church and is like, listen, he's 1:14:32.640 --> 1:14:36.800 acting like a fucking he's acting like a comic, he's 1:14:36.840 --> 1:14:39.160 acting like a loot, Like come on, guys, Like are 1:14:39.160 --> 1:14:41.599 we going too far? Like if we include adults, how 1:14:41.600 --> 1:14:44.760 do we trust anybody? And that whole thing is weird 1:14:44.800 --> 1:14:46.400 to me? Like why not go too much the other 1:14:46.439 --> 1:14:49.360 way to ensure people's safety? Like why are we so 1:14:49.960 --> 1:14:52.479 like first of all, these numbers aren't equal to abuse 1:14:52.600 --> 1:14:55.040 versus like fake things, but like I'm willing to risk 1:14:55.080 --> 1:15:00.000 a few priests being excommunicated to thousands of children being abused, 1:15:00.439 --> 1:15:02.320 Like I don't get why not going the other way? 1:15:02.360 --> 1:15:05.280 I mean, obviously, I think everyone that's listening is it's 1:15:05.320 --> 1:15:05.920 also like. 1:15:05.880 --> 1:15:09.559 What it's also just like the statistics of women filing 1:15:09.600 --> 1:15:13.400 false rape accusations are minuscular, they're small, like it's yes, 1:15:13.479 --> 1:15:16.120 it happens, it does not happen a lot. I don't 1:15:16.160 --> 1:15:18.000 think there are many people going wrong, going my priest 1:15:18.120 --> 1:15:21.160 raped me when it didn't happen, Like maybe it happens, 1:15:21.200 --> 1:15:22.920 but it does not happen a lot. 1:15:23.200 --> 1:15:24.640 That is not a statistic. 1:15:24.720 --> 1:15:28.840 You need to plan for no, no, and this whole thing. 1:15:28.880 --> 1:15:31.200 It's like it's too broad. What about crimes? You could 1:15:31.240 --> 1:15:33.559 just claim abuse And it's like, well, maybe abuse is 1:15:33.600 --> 1:15:35.360 just happening all the time and you need a broaden 1:15:35.400 --> 1:15:39.439 your definition of it too. So anyways, why is sex 1:15:39.479 --> 1:15:42.000 abuse and the Catholic Church still a story again and 1:15:42.040 --> 1:15:44.639 again and again, never ending. So there's like a few 1:15:44.680 --> 1:15:46.960 reasons why the Catholic Church is more difficult than all 1:15:47.000 --> 1:15:50.479 other organizations. But it does happen in all churches and 1:15:50.800 --> 1:15:55.120 organizations and religions and cults and anywhere where there's authority. 1:15:55.200 --> 1:15:58.280 But like, these are the reasons why the Catholic story 1:15:58.360 --> 1:16:01.280 never ends. One, Catholics make up like a quarter of 1:16:01.320 --> 1:16:04.320 the American population. I didn't know that, so they're just 1:16:04.360 --> 1:16:08.719 like a large group. But to me, I'm confused because 1:16:08.720 --> 1:16:10.400 the whole thing, like John F. Kennedy was like the 1:16:10.439 --> 1:16:13.000 first Catholic president and everyone was like, oh, he's so 1:16:13.000 --> 1:16:15.479 why aren't there more Catholic leaders? And why is it 1:16:15.520 --> 1:16:17.439 such a big deal when Catholics run If such a 1:16:17.479 --> 1:16:19.639 giant population of the country is Catholic. 1:16:19.880 --> 1:16:21.879 Yeah, I don't know, Biden's Catholic. 1:16:22.400 --> 1:16:27.760 Yeah, so yeah, it's a hierarchical organization that keeps extensive records, 1:16:27.880 --> 1:16:31.400 so abuse leaves a paper trail. So that's always why 1:16:31.600 --> 1:16:34.840 stories are leaking as well. And back to your question 1:16:34.960 --> 1:16:39.280 up top, I think they're fucking idiots or not or diabolical. 1:16:39.320 --> 1:16:41.040 I don't know. And many people. 1:16:40.800 --> 1:16:43.840 Also believe that priests are an exalted position, that they 1:16:43.840 --> 1:16:47.680 are the representative for Jesus himself, so like they just 1:16:47.760 --> 1:16:52.840 can't wrap their minds around that, like this clear connection 1:16:53.040 --> 1:16:56.880 to God. God's representative is a criminal, So it's faith 1:16:56.920 --> 1:16:58.559 at the end of the day, it's faith. Like one 1:16:58.600 --> 1:17:01.200 woman abused by a priest said she believed priests were 1:17:01.280 --> 1:17:04.080 in quote about as close to Heaven as you're going 1:17:04.120 --> 1:17:05.280 to get, yeah, because. 1:17:05.120 --> 1:17:06.800 They're human beings. 1:17:06.840 --> 1:17:10.599 But it's also like you can if you're that if 1:17:10.600 --> 1:17:13.160 you're that like into the cult, then it's like you 1:17:13.200 --> 1:17:15.960 could literally say that six year old was had the 1:17:16.000 --> 1:17:18.400 devil in them and they were tempting that priest, you 1:17:18.400 --> 1:17:21.559 know what I mean, Like, if you're that yeah, devout, 1:17:22.040 --> 1:17:23.719 who knows who you're blaming. 1:17:24.400 --> 1:17:27.320 And of course forced celibacy added to the mix of 1:17:27.360 --> 1:17:29.719 all of these things is not great because it leads 1:17:29.760 --> 1:17:33.120 to covert sexual relationships and double lives, and just like 1:17:33.200 --> 1:17:36.639 lots of secrets, they also have institutional tolerance for sexual 1:17:36.680 --> 1:17:42.080 misconduct and the protection of perpetrators. And they're straight up yeah, 1:17:42.080 --> 1:17:45.240 this is my own words. They're committed to protecting the grift. Ye, 1:17:45.320 --> 1:17:48.200 they're in too deep. They don't pay taxes. They've convinced 1:17:48.600 --> 1:17:50.920 their flock that they have to give ten percent of 1:17:50.960 --> 1:17:55.160 their like salary to the church. They're making a killing. Okay, 1:17:55.160 --> 1:17:59.439 this is an MLM. This is no different than Lulu roh. Okay, 1:17:59.840 --> 1:18:03.200 this same thing. They're gonna hide each other and they 1:18:03.240 --> 1:18:05.599 know what's going on. That's the thing. It's like they 1:18:05.640 --> 1:18:07.600 fucking know it. They are committed to a cover up. 1:18:07.640 --> 1:18:12.040 They use they use words like they use inappropriate contact 1:18:12.320 --> 1:18:17.639 instead of rape or you know, they they do weird things, right, 1:18:18.960 --> 1:18:21.760 and then they like hire people that don't know anything 1:18:21.800 --> 1:18:24.599 about sexual abuse to be the ones that investigate their colleagues. 1:18:24.640 --> 1:18:27.840 And then like also not informing communities why priests leave 1:18:27.960 --> 1:18:30.600 or moved. It is on purpose. And a lot of 1:18:30.600 --> 1:18:33.600 these cover ups go all the way up to the Vatican. Yeah, 1:18:33.640 --> 1:18:36.320 a node to the episode. So I found a couple 1:18:36.360 --> 1:18:40.679 of cases of revenge and a couple affairs, so we'll 1:18:40.720 --> 1:18:45.080 talk about that really quickly. So December twenty nineteen, a 1:18:45.160 --> 1:18:49.000 teenager Alexandre. It's but is it Alexander even though it's 1:18:49.040 --> 1:18:50.280 spelled like that. 1:18:50.560 --> 1:18:52.040 If this is in France, I think it would be 1:18:52.080 --> 1:18:54.880 pronounced Alexandre Alexanda. 1:18:54.960 --> 1:18:59.439 So a teenager Alexander V in northern France. He killed 1:18:59.439 --> 1:19:03.000 a priest too, abused him by ramming a crucifix down 1:19:03.040 --> 1:19:04.160 the cleric's throat. 1:19:04.400 --> 1:19:08.760 Holy shit, they found this guy dead with a fucking crucifix. 1:19:08.800 --> 1:19:12.799 That's some faking SVU shit right there. Yeah, oh my god. 1:19:13.320 --> 1:19:16.400 So it gets twisted though, not that that's not twisted. 1:19:16.479 --> 1:19:19.840 But Roger Matti soli Is was ninety one at the 1:19:19.880 --> 1:19:22.320 time and he had been accused of molesting at least 1:19:22.400 --> 1:19:26.599 four people during his decades long career. Alexandre worked as 1:19:26.600 --> 1:19:28.759 a housekeeper at the priest's home and he was around 1:19:28.800 --> 1:19:32.200 and the priest was accused of molesting not only Alexandre 1:19:32.320 --> 1:19:38.000 but Alexandri's father. So this guy molested it. It's all 1:19:38.040 --> 1:19:41.000 accused allegations, Like all of the paperwork, all the articles 1:19:41.040 --> 1:19:44.440 are always like alleged, alleged, accused. But basically, this motherfucker 1:19:44.479 --> 1:19:47.280 could have been molesting the dad and the son Jesus. 1:19:47.720 --> 1:19:50.519 But despite tons of these allegations, matt to Soli was 1:19:50.560 --> 1:19:53.639 shuffled around to different locations and remained on the payroll, 1:19:54.360 --> 1:19:56.880 with which the church said it was just an error. 1:19:57.160 --> 1:19:57.960 He shouldn't have been. 1:19:57.920 --> 1:20:03.760 Getting paid, and Alexandre was declared criminally irresponsible for his 1:20:03.840 --> 1:20:07.800 actions by the Investigative Chamber of the Amien's Court of 1:20:07.840 --> 1:20:09.240 Appeal in twenty twenty one. 1:20:09.560 --> 1:20:11.400 And he's been sent to a medical. 1:20:11.120 --> 1:20:16.919 Specialized establishment which is probably just like a psychiatric hospital. 1:20:16.920 --> 1:20:19.519 But it was a French article translated and maybe they 1:20:19.560 --> 1:20:22.320 call it medical specialized establishments. 1:20:22.520 --> 1:20:26.160 So I don't know. I like the sview vibe of 1:20:26.200 --> 1:20:26.479 it all. 1:20:27.080 --> 1:20:29.679 Okay, So then this next one, there's a fair and murder, 1:20:30.280 --> 1:20:33.640 no molestation. But in November twenty twenty a man was 1:20:33.760 --> 1:20:37.639 charged why France, in Lieon, France for attempted murder after 1:20:37.720 --> 1:20:42.160 admitting he shot a Greek Orthodox priest because of jealousy 1:20:42.320 --> 1:20:45.799 because his wife was having an affair with the priest. 1:20:46.720 --> 1:20:49.040 So this is Leon. This is a city in France 1:20:49.040 --> 1:20:51.160 where my brother used to live. Actually I've been there, 1:20:51.200 --> 1:20:56.880 no way, yeah, and uh oh no, I'm sorry, I've 1:20:56.880 --> 1:20:58.679 been to Leon, but my brother lived in Dijon. 1:20:58.800 --> 1:21:02.639 But anyway, I hit Leon. I've been there also, and wait, 1:21:02.720 --> 1:21:05.000 Dejon were the mustard? Yes, Oh my god, I had 1:21:05.040 --> 1:21:07.040 so much good mustard when I was there. It was amazing. 1:21:07.840 --> 1:21:10.439 But what I was gonna say is, is this not 1:21:10.520 --> 1:21:13.439 the plot of like a lot of like soaps in 1:21:13.479 --> 1:21:16.040 the seventies and shit, Like, wasn't there something called. 1:21:15.880 --> 1:21:18.440 Like, I don't know, the Thornbirds. 1:21:17.760 --> 1:21:20.080 Or something like people were wanting to fuck priests a 1:21:20.080 --> 1:21:21.719 lot in like the seventies and eighties. 1:21:21.760 --> 1:21:24.639 Well, not evenbout shit. Flea Bag, I mean, flea Bag 1:21:24.760 --> 1:21:25.439 was all about. 1:21:25.560 --> 1:21:26.519 She brought that back. 1:21:26.760 --> 1:21:30.120 Yeah, she brought it back. What's her next project? Can 1:21:30.160 --> 1:21:31.400 you please release something? 1:21:31.520 --> 1:21:34.919 I know you've had all a pandemic. Let's go. Phoebe 1:21:35.200 --> 1:21:38.120 waller Bridge yet to work, so yeah. 1:21:38.160 --> 1:21:43.759 The priest Nicholas kaka Vella Cavus is a married Greek 1:21:44.000 --> 1:21:48.320 national and has been holding services at the Leon Orthodox 1:21:48.439 --> 1:21:51.400 Church for a decade. October thirty first, he was locking 1:21:51.400 --> 1:21:53.519 the doors of the church when two blasts from a 1:21:53.560 --> 1:21:57.880 sawn off shotgun in the abdomen and the victim led 1:21:57.920 --> 1:21:59.639 police to the motive and attacker. 1:21:59.680 --> 1:22:03.439 When he was identified. Yeah, they he survived. He survived. 1:22:03.439 --> 1:22:06.839 He woke up from a coma and identified the attacker. 1:22:06.920 --> 1:22:11.320 Because there were like some there were some like terror attacks, 1:22:11.360 --> 1:22:13.640 anti religion attacks, so they were scared that this was 1:22:13.640 --> 1:22:15.599 like part of these bigger attacks. 1:22:15.640 --> 1:22:16.959 But it was just like jealousy. 1:22:17.680 --> 1:22:20.920 All right, we're going to talk about some babies fathered 1:22:20.920 --> 1:22:24.280 by priests. Some are consensual and then some are of 1:22:24.320 --> 1:22:27.080 course rape and so and I you know that is 1:22:27.640 --> 1:22:28.439 that is the truth. 1:22:29.040 --> 1:22:29.920 This is Australia. 1:22:29.960 --> 1:22:32.840 There was an Australian study done that found that four 1:22:32.920 --> 1:22:35.120 times as many women and two times as many adult 1:22:35.160 --> 1:22:37.800 men are sexually abused by clergy than children. And that 1:22:37.880 --> 1:22:40.800 was in February twenty seventeen. I think it's just like 1:22:40.840 --> 1:22:45.040 more horrific. I don't know, I don't know. We talk 1:22:45.080 --> 1:22:47.200 about child abuse all the time in terms of the 1:22:47.200 --> 1:22:50.360 Catholic Church, but people that are in seminary and nuns 1:22:50.360 --> 1:22:53.360 like people are, and people that just go to confession 1:22:53.360 --> 1:22:56.720 are getting assaulted as well. Yeah, somebody think about lots 1:22:56.720 --> 1:22:59.879 of chances for pregnancy. So there's this one guy Vincent, 1:23:00.000 --> 1:23:03.040 and he's the central figure of this New York Times article. 1:23:04.200 --> 1:23:07.200 So this guy Vincent Doyle in Ireland was twenty eight 1:23:07.280 --> 1:23:10.000 when he learned that his Roman Catholic priest that he'd 1:23:10.080 --> 1:23:12.800 known as his godfather was actually his father, and that 1:23:12.880 --> 1:23:15.280 led him to create a global support group to help 1:23:15.320 --> 1:23:18.760 other children like him who have had internalized shame from 1:23:18.800 --> 1:23:20.479 being born from a church scandal. 1:23:21.400 --> 1:23:22.519 And through that he was. 1:23:22.479 --> 1:23:26.599 Finally able to like because he got up the ranks 1:23:26.600 --> 1:23:27.120 of like help. 1:23:27.200 --> 1:23:27.559 I don't know. 1:23:27.800 --> 1:23:30.080 Basically, he was able to go to the Vatican and 1:23:30.120 --> 1:23:33.519 the Vaticans showed him an art a document and it's 1:23:33.560 --> 1:23:35.719 a secret document. He wasn't able to take a photo 1:23:35.840 --> 1:23:37.800 or write anything that like, he was only able to 1:23:37.840 --> 1:23:40.320 look at it. It's the secret document the Vatican showed him. 1:23:40.320 --> 1:23:44.040 This doesn't even seem real, but it was an internal 1:23:44.080 --> 1:23:46.839 document about how to deal with priests who father children. 1:23:46.960 --> 1:23:49.519 So proof that there's lots of kids out there if. 1:23:49.439 --> 1:23:52.040 They had a little Sophia's running around out there. 1:23:52.280 --> 1:23:53.160 Yeah. 1:23:53.240 --> 1:23:55.800 So he was shown these guidelines in twenty seventeen by 1:23:55.920 --> 1:24:00.600 Archbishop Ivan Yorkovic the Vaticans. This guy is the Vatican's 1:24:00.760 --> 1:24:04.120 envoy to the United Nations in Geneva. So that's when 1:24:04.120 --> 1:24:08.240 that happened, and the Vatican has confirmed this document and 1:24:08.760 --> 1:24:11.519 that the archbishop did show him, and the document states 1:24:11.560 --> 1:24:15.160 that these kids are called children children of the Ordained. 1:24:17.000 --> 1:24:19.280 It says that the protection of the child is the 1:24:19.320 --> 1:24:22.800 fundamental principle and that it requests the priest to leave 1:24:22.880 --> 1:24:27.200 and assume responsibility as a parent. But why would you 1:24:27.240 --> 1:24:29.200 do that when you can continue being treated like a 1:24:29.200 --> 1:24:32.760 god and ignoring your child, you know, Yeah, that's why 1:24:32.760 --> 1:24:35.960 I would like in the sview episode of like, oh 1:24:36.000 --> 1:24:38.280 he's this good guy, it's like, no, he wanted the 1:24:38.320 --> 1:24:40.360 power of being a priest, Like I don't believe you 1:24:40.360 --> 1:24:42.880 know what I mean, Like if he actually wanted to 1:24:42.880 --> 1:24:44.559 live by the word, he would go raise. 1:24:44.400 --> 1:24:45.240 His fucking child. 1:24:45.880 --> 1:24:48.800 You can only ask for a priest to leave. You 1:24:48.880 --> 1:24:52.960 can't impose a dismissal. So even if a priest is 1:24:52.960 --> 1:24:57.000 like fathering people, you can't force him to leave. But 1:24:57.080 --> 1:25:00.000 they do say that natural law comes before, like you're 1:25:00.120 --> 1:25:03.120 right to be a priest, But there's zero written into 1:25:03.120 --> 1:25:05.040 the law about that. But they do say that you 1:25:05.080 --> 1:25:08.559 should go take care of your child. But like I said, 1:25:08.600 --> 1:25:11.919 I've been saying, it's a culture of secrecy, aversion to scandal, 1:25:11.960 --> 1:25:14.840 and it keeps you know, that's why it keeps this 1:25:15.000 --> 1:25:19.040 fucking shit going on. So this guy, mister Doyle, he 1:25:19.240 --> 1:25:22.960 says that his support group has fifty thousand users in 1:25:22.960 --> 1:25:26.800 one hundred and seventy five countries, So there's a lot 1:25:26.840 --> 1:25:30.720 of people out there. And one man, Eric Zetoni, his 1:25:30.840 --> 1:25:33.200 mother was raped by a priest when she was fourteen 1:25:33.280 --> 1:25:36.719 and the priest was fifty four years old. The family 1:25:36.800 --> 1:25:39.760 tried to make the man recognize the child and he wouldn't, 1:25:39.800 --> 1:25:42.840 and so they were evicted from their parish owned home. 1:25:43.880 --> 1:25:47.240 And in twenty ten she sued the priest and a 1:25:47.320 --> 1:25:49.680 DNA test proved that he was the father, but was 1:25:49.720 --> 1:25:52.799 not forced to leave the priesthood. And this father, Tosy, 1:25:52.880 --> 1:25:56.760 died in twenty fourteen, still a priest Jesus. And some 1:25:56.920 --> 1:25:59.040 of these women, like what happens to them is that 1:25:59.080 --> 1:26:02.160 they're now reflecting back and questioning whether their relationship with 1:26:02.360 --> 1:26:05.960 the priest was abused circumsensual, with like the power dynamics 1:26:05.960 --> 1:26:07.640 and the grooming and all of that. So that is 1:26:07.680 --> 1:26:10.160 something that's coming up with a lot of victims later 1:26:10.160 --> 1:26:13.000 in life. And it's also a lot of emotional abuse, 1:26:13.160 --> 1:26:16.400 pressuring people to stay silent and protect the priest's career, Like, 1:26:16.479 --> 1:26:19.160 that's gonna fuck with you. I never really thought about 1:26:19.200 --> 1:26:21.760 that because I have no respect for the church, but 1:26:22.560 --> 1:26:26.160 I understand if you do, sure that might be hard 1:26:26.200 --> 1:26:29.920 for you. Also, it's like tough dealing with the church 1:26:29.960 --> 1:26:32.400 going against you and treating you like shit. The moment 1:26:32.479 --> 1:26:35.280 you get pregnant is like what this woman was talking about. 1:26:35.800 --> 1:26:38.840 This other woman, Teresa Engelhart, she became pregnant after a 1:26:38.880 --> 1:26:44.120 fifteen year long affair with a reverend Robert Dryspack, and 1:26:44.160 --> 1:26:47.840 the years that followed the Diocese of Allentown in Pennsylvania 1:26:47.920 --> 1:26:50.959 did offer her regular child support payments for her silence 1:26:51.439 --> 1:26:54.599 and that her and her son would not contact the reverend. 1:26:54.760 --> 1:26:59.000 Shees, so just full hush money, just full hush money 1:26:59.040 --> 1:26:59.759 payment yees. 1:27:00.479 --> 1:27:01.840 Yeah, So that's what's fucked. 1:27:01.840 --> 1:27:04.320 It's like, not only are they having to constantly pay 1:27:04.360 --> 1:27:07.599 out like all these lawsuits from all these molesting, they 1:27:07.600 --> 1:27:10.160 are also paying out all this child support and hush 1:27:10.240 --> 1:27:14.040 money for all just like the quote like legal fucking 1:27:14.120 --> 1:27:18.720 that's even happening. But so it's basically an institution that 1:27:18.800 --> 1:27:22.599 doesn't pay taxes, that makes its followers give them money 1:27:22.680 --> 1:27:25.280 and then they spend their money. It seems billions and 1:27:25.320 --> 1:27:29.080 billions of dollars just hiding their crimes. 1:27:30.120 --> 1:27:31.719 It's fucking weird, dude. 1:27:33.400 --> 1:27:36.680 Engelhart says, the priests can keep keep going and the 1:27:36.720 --> 1:27:39.200 women has some explaining to do, but that's its tail 1:27:39.240 --> 1:27:41.439 as sold as time. The priest told her to get 1:27:41.439 --> 1:27:45.680 an abortion or give the child up for adoption, and 1:27:46.000 --> 1:27:48.040 he would send money and stuff because he didn't want 1:27:48.040 --> 1:27:50.400 to leave the priesthood, so he's like, those are your options. 1:27:50.800 --> 1:27:53.800 But when she finally came forward, the bishop told her 1:27:53.840 --> 1:27:56.599 that she was a sinner that was bringing shame to 1:27:56.720 --> 1:28:00.439 her family and it was a lot of psychological trauma 1:28:00.479 --> 1:28:03.439 for this woman. Her son, who's now grown with his 1:28:03.479 --> 1:28:05.639 own kids, says he carries around a lot of guilt 1:28:05.680 --> 1:28:08.280 with him because if he hadn't been born, his mom 1:28:08.280 --> 1:28:10.920 wouldn't have been involved in like this church mess, and 1:28:10.960 --> 1:28:12.800 the dad could have stayed a priest. 1:28:12.479 --> 1:28:13.960 And so like, he has a lot of his own 1:28:14.000 --> 1:28:17.520 guilt and trauma with that. Did the dad lose his priesthood? 1:28:17.640 --> 1:28:20.080 I think he left? Yeah? Oh, okay, I think this 1:28:20.120 --> 1:28:22.400 one did some leave some. 1:28:22.560 --> 1:28:25.640 I mean I read somewhere like a guy was like 1:28:25.800 --> 1:28:28.680 happy to leave and raise his child and He's like, 1:28:28.760 --> 1:28:31.479 oh yeah, I love being a biological father way more 1:28:31.479 --> 1:28:33.479 than I was like a father at the church. And 1:28:33.520 --> 1:28:36.680 he was like pretty jazzed to leave his life and 1:28:36.720 --> 1:28:38.040 like married to this person. 1:28:38.200 --> 1:28:38.880 So I don't know. 1:28:39.680 --> 1:28:42.280 So this other guy, Richard Sipe, who I don't know 1:28:42.600 --> 1:28:45.920 who he is, but this is from the Washington Post, 1:28:46.400 --> 1:28:49.120 so we have to assume it's a respected researcher. But 1:28:49.200 --> 1:28:52.080 he found out that in nineteen ninety, forty percent of 1:28:52.120 --> 1:28:54.000 priests were practicing celibacy. 1:28:54.800 --> 1:28:56.479 So that's not high numbers. 1:28:57.400 --> 1:28:59.760 And but how are you researching that? How are they 1:28:59.800 --> 1:29:02.400 all confessing to you in the in the survey that 1:29:02.479 --> 1:29:04.360 they're fucking It's like it's a. 1:29:04.320 --> 1:29:06.000 Confusing it is. 1:29:06.640 --> 1:29:08.360 And I hope, I hope you got good numbers, but 1:29:08.880 --> 1:29:10.719 I don't think that many priests are like I'm getting 1:29:10.760 --> 1:29:11.920 my dick wet all the time. 1:29:12.040 --> 1:29:15.000 Don't tell anyone, you know. But it's the opposite. 1:29:15.080 --> 1:29:18.280 They said only forty percent were said they were celibate, Right. 1:29:18.160 --> 1:29:21.639 That's what I'm saying. So sixty percent wrote down I'm 1:29:21.680 --> 1:29:25.200 not celibate. I don't know. I don't know. 1:29:25.280 --> 1:29:26.880 I was just like, you know what, I have to 1:29:26.920 --> 1:29:29.479 find as many good things that like tie with this 1:29:29.560 --> 1:29:30.680 Christmas episode. 1:29:30.760 --> 1:29:31.960 I mean because but. 1:29:31.920 --> 1:29:33.920 Then I was like researching for a true crime of it. 1:29:33.960 --> 1:29:35.000 But it's like if there was. 1:29:35.040 --> 1:29:37.240 I we it would have been based on it, like 1:29:37.240 --> 1:29:37.920 we would have known. 1:29:38.200 --> 1:29:40.240 So so after hours. 1:29:39.800 --> 1:29:41.519 Of figuring it out, I go, if there was an 1:29:41.520 --> 1:29:43.360 exact case, we would be studying it. 1:29:43.479 --> 1:29:47.040 What am I doing? So that was like hard. 1:29:47.360 --> 1:29:50.160 But priests nowadays do appear slightly more likely to come 1:29:50.200 --> 1:29:52.320 forward than in the past because they're more aware of 1:29:52.439 --> 1:29:55.200 like the risks of social media exposure and lawsuits and 1:29:55.200 --> 1:29:57.719 stuff like that. So not because the Lord is watching 1:29:57.800 --> 1:30:01.439 in morality, but they understand that they are. It's easier 1:30:01.439 --> 1:30:04.760 to get caught and talk and like a firestorm start out. 1:30:06.360 --> 1:30:10.160 Flavia Alaya is a woman who had a twenty three 1:30:10.400 --> 1:30:13.800 year relationship with the Roman Catholic priest, and she wrote 1:30:13.840 --> 1:30:17.320 a memoir about it that detailed this whole relationship. But 1:30:17.400 --> 1:30:19.280 she wrote this, and this will be I don't know, 1:30:19.320 --> 1:30:22.600 a poetic or ending or a cheap cop out. I 1:30:22.600 --> 1:30:25.839 don't know, but I'm ending this in amending this in quotes. 1:30:26.760 --> 1:30:29.680 So this woman, she wrote, I am a Catholic in 1:30:29.720 --> 1:30:32.400 the same way that I am American. I don't believe 1:30:32.400 --> 1:30:34.559 in the way the state behaves. Yet I am a 1:30:34.600 --> 1:30:39.400 citizen here. My Catholicism is an accident of history, not 1:30:39.600 --> 1:30:40.519 an act of faith. 1:30:41.080 --> 1:30:43.559 I can't shed it like a dress. Still. 1:30:43.600 --> 1:30:46.440 I have always said that love is never a scandal. 1:30:46.760 --> 1:30:49.360 If there is something that makes love impossible, then it 1:30:49.439 --> 1:30:50.880 must be re examined. 1:30:51.439 --> 1:30:52.040 Huh. 1:30:52.200 --> 1:30:58.400 Interesting, and that's only in terms of obviously consensual adult 1:30:58.520 --> 1:31:00.679 love affairs, not nam style. 1:31:00.960 --> 1:31:03.960 Yeah. 1:31:04.000 --> 1:31:06.880 Wow, I mean that was some stuff I didn't know, 1:31:07.040 --> 1:31:08.880 so that thank you for doing all that research. I 1:31:08.880 --> 1:31:10.640 know this was more of a concept crime, but you 1:31:10.680 --> 1:31:14.479 found the worth it for the story about the crucifix. 1:31:13.920 --> 1:31:14.519 Down the throat. 1:31:14.600 --> 1:31:17.040 My god, I know, I wish there was more info 1:31:17.080 --> 1:31:19.400 about him, but I was like, it was really hard 1:31:19.439 --> 1:31:21.080 because I could have done all of it. I just 1:31:21.520 --> 1:31:24.040 that's so metal. Maybe we just write a short film. 1:31:24.120 --> 1:31:26.800 I just really want a crucifix in the throat. 1:31:27.920 --> 1:31:28.120 Yeah. 1:31:29.080 --> 1:31:31.320 And that's the thing with these people in Angelica in 1:31:31.360 --> 1:31:35.040 the episode, And you know, like when you're let down 1:31:35.080 --> 1:31:37.439 by everyone and you're out of options, what the fuck 1:31:37.479 --> 1:31:42.280 do you do with all this trauma? Okay, well, we 1:31:42.320 --> 1:31:46.200 do have a great guest, like always, yes, we have 1:31:46.240 --> 1:31:50.800 an amazing guess, Marry Christmas. 1:31:49.720 --> 1:32:01.080 And happy Hanukkah. Guys. I am so excited about today's guest. 1:32:01.120 --> 1:32:05.799 He is a prolific, legendary character actor whose work spans 1:32:05.840 --> 1:32:08.679 many genres. You've seen him in everything from American horror 1:32:08.720 --> 1:32:12.439 story to The Good Wife, True Blood, The Proposal, but 1:32:12.560 --> 1:32:16.439 of course today you know him as father Chris Shay. Guys, 1:32:16.680 --> 1:32:22.240 we are so excited to talk to Dennis O'Hare. So 1:32:22.400 --> 1:32:24.240 you guys can't see this, but he is showing us 1:32:24.240 --> 1:32:27.040 a picture of himself covered in blood. He started off 1:32:27.080 --> 1:32:30.519 on the zoom telling us I have blood on my hands, Like, wow, 1:32:30.560 --> 1:32:31.559 you're really bringing it. 1:32:32.400 --> 1:32:35.360 Oh what is this for? Yeah? What are you shooting 1:32:35.439 --> 1:32:35.920 in London? 1:32:36.920 --> 1:32:42.480 The nevers for HBO? Oh right, yeah yeah we did. 1:32:42.240 --> 1:32:46.720 We shot and we already showed six episodes and this 1:32:46.840 --> 1:32:48.400 is the back six. This only think it is two 1:32:48.479 --> 1:32:51.519 years because of COVID to like put this puppy to like, 1:32:51.600 --> 1:32:54.280 you know, season one is crazy, crazy and long orders 1:32:54.320 --> 1:32:55.960 on like season ninety four. 1:32:56.439 --> 1:32:59.040 Yeah, yes, exactly, that's how you do it. 1:33:00.920 --> 1:33:04.920 Wait, so we were obviously doing some gentle stocking of 1:33:04.960 --> 1:33:07.839 your Instagram and I was like, this man lives in Europe? 1:33:07.960 --> 1:33:09.880 Or are you just based there for this project or 1:33:09.880 --> 1:33:11.280 do you always live in Europe? 1:33:11.640 --> 1:33:14.240 No, I live in Europe. We moved in twenty eighteen 1:33:14.320 --> 1:33:17.240 to Paris, my husband and my son and I moved 1:33:17.280 --> 1:33:20.559 to Paris. Yes, what a shame, I know. I know. 1:33:21.280 --> 1:33:25.600 Well, we'll obviously get into s V Murder your career everything. 1:33:25.800 --> 1:33:30.320 But since this is Christmas or Christmas episode, I was 1:33:30.360 --> 1:33:33.040 wondering what you would like for Christmas this year and 1:33:33.040 --> 1:33:36.160 what your cutie son wants? What are his big asks 1:33:36.240 --> 1:33:39.560 and any traditions cute things about Christmas. 1:33:39.840 --> 1:33:42.720 You know my son he's ten years old, so you 1:33:42.720 --> 1:33:45.040 know what you would like is grand theft auto. He's 1:33:45.080 --> 1:33:48.080 not getting the okay, no, no, no, no no. The fact 1:33:48.160 --> 1:33:51.479 he plays Fortnite is a huge failure already. But what 1:33:52.080 --> 1:33:55.280 he'll get from me is who get things he really wants, 1:33:55.439 --> 1:34:00.840 like books he doesn't want. That's what I buy him. 1:34:00.840 --> 1:34:03.720 I buy him, yes, buy him books. And as far 1:34:03.720 --> 1:34:06.920 as me, I'm a terrible I'm a terrible gift receiver 1:34:07.000 --> 1:34:11.439 because I don't actually want anything and I just don't 1:34:11.439 --> 1:34:14.120 want anything, and what I do want nobody can buy 1:34:14.120 --> 1:34:17.200 for me because I have incredibly niche taste when it 1:34:17.240 --> 1:34:20.400 comes to music, and so I'm I'm an opera freak 1:34:20.439 --> 1:34:23.360 and a classical musician. And so you know, I want 1:34:23.600 --> 1:34:27.719 Schumann's Kinderstain and by Martha Augerich, the sixty five album, 1:34:27.840 --> 1:34:29.879 not the eighty two when she came out from retirement. 1:34:30.080 --> 1:34:32.680 I want the Glenn Gould, you know, the Goldberg, the 1:34:32.720 --> 1:34:35.920 eighty two and the sixty five, but not the other remix. 1:34:35.960 --> 1:34:39.000 You know. It's so you can't buy anythings because I'll 1:34:39.040 --> 1:34:42.920 just go, oh, it's the barber of Seville greatest hits. 1:34:43.240 --> 1:34:45.840 Why did you buy me? So my husband didn't bother? 1:34:46.120 --> 1:34:46.760 He doesn't bother. 1:34:47.560 --> 1:34:50.120 I was going to say, your poor husbands. Well that's 1:34:50.120 --> 1:34:51.200 a tough that's a tough one. 1:34:52.320 --> 1:34:55.040 Hats you always buy me a hat. I'll always take 1:34:55.080 --> 1:34:55.439 a hat. 1:34:55.760 --> 1:34:58.160 Yes, are you guys going to be in Paris or 1:34:58.200 --> 1:35:00.760 London for Christmas? Because I'm sure both cities are quite 1:35:00.840 --> 1:35:02.040 magical for Christmas? 1:35:02.160 --> 1:35:02.679 New York? 1:35:03.000 --> 1:35:06.559 Oh New York? Yeah, yeah, Oh that makes us happy. 1:35:07.880 --> 1:35:10.440 Well that's exciting. We hope you have an amazing Christmas 1:35:10.439 --> 1:35:12.920 in New York. Let's now that we're talking about New York, 1:35:12.960 --> 1:35:15.040 let's just talk about law and order. I mean, you 1:35:15.320 --> 1:35:18.559 are you're a Law and Order Legend because you are 1:35:18.680 --> 1:35:21.639 season one and season sixteen. 1:35:22.520 --> 1:35:24.240 I didn't know it was in season one. I didn't 1:35:24.240 --> 1:35:26.040 know that with Michael Mark and Moriarty. 1:35:26.400 --> 1:35:29.719 Oh it actually wasn't Michael Moriarty was it was SVU. 1:35:29.880 --> 1:35:32.160 It was season one of SVU and you played a 1:35:32.160 --> 1:35:35.439 guy named Jimmy walp Right. 1:35:35.479 --> 1:35:37.280 Sorry, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1:35:38.080 --> 1:35:40.400 Is really really sad, haunting. 1:35:40.840 --> 1:35:45.519 I know we're crazy that, I'll tell you honestly. So 1:35:45.640 --> 1:35:49.080 that that part. I remember auditioning for it, sitting in 1:35:49.080 --> 1:35:51.400 the little room and there are like five of us 1:35:51.520 --> 1:35:53.760 putting a friend of mine named Tom RaSE Ferrell, and 1:35:53.800 --> 1:35:56.960 we were both like, dude, you're going to get this 1:35:57.240 --> 1:36:00.439 because none of us wanted it because it was creepy, 1:36:01.040 --> 1:36:04.240 because come on, it was really he rapes an old lady. 1:36:04.360 --> 1:36:07.880 It was really hard, and I was I was like, 1:36:08.040 --> 1:36:10.439 I don't want this part, and so Tom, this is 1:36:10.520 --> 1:36:12.000 right up your alley. You're going to be You're going 1:36:12.080 --> 1:36:13.400 to get this. And then I got it, and I 1:36:13.439 --> 1:36:17.280 was like, no, I got it, but of course, you know, 1:36:17.360 --> 1:36:19.519 I mean, I love me some Law and Orders, some 1:36:19.560 --> 1:36:21.880 Dick Wolf, and so I was I was actually thrilled 1:36:21.880 --> 1:36:27.160 to get it. And and you know, Tom McCarthy, the director, 1:36:27.920 --> 1:36:31.880 had once played a part of a mentally challenged person 1:36:32.160 --> 1:36:35.320 and so I remember looking at what he digs. I 1:36:35.360 --> 1:36:37.320 was like, he was really good at it. And I 1:36:37.320 --> 1:36:41.240 remember him talking about it about you don't play dumb. 1:36:41.600 --> 1:36:45.960 You play someone who's who's actually act smart but just 1:36:46.040 --> 1:36:48.639 isn't getting the answers right. So they sort of act 1:36:48.720 --> 1:36:51.080 like they know everything even though they don't know anything, 1:36:51.479 --> 1:36:54.200 because you know, and he had a really good approach 1:36:54.200 --> 1:36:57.040 and so I totally just copied him. I channeled Tom 1:36:57.120 --> 1:37:00.000 McCarthy for that. This is before he became a massive, 1:37:00.040 --> 1:37:02.479 the huge director and you know, in one of words, 1:37:02.760 --> 1:37:05.360 but yeah, he was my inspiration for that. I mean, 1:37:05.560 --> 1:37:07.040 his his he's playing of it. 1:37:07.160 --> 1:37:08.600 Yeah, that's so interesting. 1:37:09.120 --> 1:37:11.960 It's a very subtle sort of like something's off with 1:37:12.080 --> 1:37:13.519 this guy kind of thing. 1:37:13.600 --> 1:37:15.120 And that's interesting. 1:37:15.280 --> 1:37:18.599 But that's what makes the ending so horrifying, is that 1:37:19.000 --> 1:37:22.120 you probably that character didn't belong in that place, but 1:37:22.320 --> 1:37:24.719 he did commit this crime he didn't understand and now 1:37:25.560 --> 1:37:28.960 yeah he's there and there's nothing else and I guess 1:37:29.080 --> 1:37:31.519 justice has been served. You know, it's it was a 1:37:31.600 --> 1:37:32.160 rough one. 1:37:32.280 --> 1:37:34.439 Well, that's the great thing about you know, the all 1:37:34.479 --> 1:37:36.680 the Law and Order franchises. Is that I feel like, 1:37:36.840 --> 1:37:40.439 you know, sort of like The Good Wife. They're they're 1:37:40.520 --> 1:37:45.040 never square, they don't hit dead on, you don't get satisfied. Yeah, 1:37:45.080 --> 1:37:48.439 the guy. Yet the guy got caught. But why don't 1:37:48.479 --> 1:37:50.799 we feel good about that? Why is this still doesn't 1:37:50.800 --> 1:37:53.599 feel like it's you know, it's the happy ending. There's 1:37:53.640 --> 1:37:56.759 so much ambiguity, which is why I think people watch 1:37:56.800 --> 1:37:59.760 it because you're not just getting a square deal. You're 1:37:59.760 --> 1:38:02.920 get something that's a little more difficult to comprehend. 1:38:03.439 --> 1:38:07.360 Well, especially with your season sixteen one because obviously everyone 1:38:07.439 --> 1:38:10.800 is assuming that you are a pedophile priest, and so 1:38:10.920 --> 1:38:12.759 many twists and turns and. 1:38:12.600 --> 1:38:15.720 The I wore a Santa Claus. 1:38:15.479 --> 1:38:19.720 Head yes at the beginning, it's actually it's actually season. 1:38:19.479 --> 1:38:20.840 Fourteen this episode. 1:38:21.040 --> 1:38:24.160 So basically, if the map is correct, you're due to 1:38:24.280 --> 1:38:27.680 be back on SVU in like another few seasons. So 1:38:27.880 --> 1:38:30.040 I think season twenty eight is when we need you 1:38:30.080 --> 1:38:30.400 back on. 1:38:31.400 --> 1:38:33.839 I've played two priests, I could play a third priest. 1:38:33.920 --> 1:38:37.040 I've played one schizophrenic, I played a militia guy. I've 1:38:37.040 --> 1:38:38.479 played let's you know, if I've played I've played a 1:38:38.479 --> 1:38:42.479 sch schisph the lawyer. Ea, I've played various lawyers. 1:38:42.560 --> 1:38:44.800 Yeah, yeah, so you're just like in the Law and 1:38:44.920 --> 1:38:47.880 Order universe, the Dick Wolf universe, and so they did 1:38:47.880 --> 1:38:49.759 they just bring you in for stuff. They're like, Dennis, 1:38:49.760 --> 1:38:52.240 get in here, we got we got something for you. 1:38:52.240 --> 1:38:55.080 You know, the universes are a little separate, you know 1:38:55.080 --> 1:38:57.760 what I mean. Like SCU is a little separate from 1:38:58.040 --> 1:39:01.400 mothership Law and Order. You know, a different team of people. 1:39:01.560 --> 1:39:04.760 You know, Warren Light is SCU and he's got a 1:39:04.760 --> 1:39:07.519 different thing going on. And no, but I do remember 1:39:07.560 --> 1:39:10.400 my very first Law and Order ever. It was with 1:39:10.840 --> 1:39:15.400 I think it was Paul Cervino and Michael Moriarty and 1:39:15.439 --> 1:39:18.360 then I did on with Jerry Orbach and Ben Bratt, Right. 1:39:19.640 --> 1:39:21.679 I mean I've been to all of the all of 1:39:21.720 --> 1:39:24.200 the various characters over there. 1:39:24.040 --> 1:39:27.439 All over New York City playing different people. So you've 1:39:27.439 --> 1:39:29.920 been a priest before on Law and Order? Do you 1:39:29.960 --> 1:39:32.240 love those robes or what? Is that a comfy day 1:39:32.240 --> 1:39:33.520 on set for you? 1:39:32.880 --> 1:39:35.639 You know, I was meant to be a priest, and 1:39:35.720 --> 1:39:38.479 so you know, finally, I mean till I was till 1:39:38.560 --> 1:39:40.880 I was seventeen, I was going to be a really 1:39:41.479 --> 1:39:43.680 I was only I was very very serious about it. 1:39:45.080 --> 1:39:48.640 I was the child who drove everyone else crazy in 1:39:48.680 --> 1:39:51.680 my family. I'm the fourth of five kids, and I 1:39:51.720 --> 1:39:54.120 gave all my money to UNICEF. I gave all my 1:39:54.160 --> 1:39:57.400 allowance away to the church. I kneeled and prayed. I 1:39:57.479 --> 1:40:00.400 made may altars, I made everyone say the rose. I 1:40:00.400 --> 1:40:03.360 had a real serious advent wreath for Christmas. I didn't 1:40:03.400 --> 1:40:05.960 believe in gifts for Christmas. I believed in praying for Christmas. 1:40:06.040 --> 1:40:09.960 I was totally humorous. Pictures of saints on the walls, 1:40:10.320 --> 1:40:15.240 priest being ordained, bloody Christ, you know, bloody gory, you know, 1:40:15.400 --> 1:40:19.479 chrus thorns in the head with blood coming down. They're 1:40:19.479 --> 1:40:22.720 gory pictures. So for a kid, you know, it was 1:40:22.760 --> 1:40:25.840 sort of like great because you got to indulge in 1:40:25.840 --> 1:40:27.960 in horror and you know, no Oneder, I ended up 1:40:27.960 --> 1:40:28.840 doing a horror Yeah. 1:40:28.880 --> 1:40:32.439 Really, well, when did the switch? When did you? When 1:40:32.439 --> 1:40:34.200 did you change tracks? 1:40:34.360 --> 1:40:37.040 You know, it was funny because I was seventeen. I 1:40:37.080 --> 1:40:39.120 was going to Brother Rise High School in Michigan, which 1:40:39.120 --> 1:40:41.479 is Christian Brothers of Ireland, and at that point I 1:40:41.479 --> 1:40:43.639 was thinking I was already thinking maybe not a priest, 1:40:43.680 --> 1:40:47.000 maybe your brother, because priests you know, have a heavier 1:40:47.360 --> 1:40:52.200 commitment and brothers had a shorter ordination track. And one 1:40:52.240 --> 1:40:55.559 of the brothers came to me privately and said, I 1:40:55.640 --> 1:40:57.439 understand you want to be a brother and I said, yes. 1:40:57.600 --> 1:41:00.519 He goes, I will block you. I was like what, 1:41:01.560 --> 1:41:05.400 and he said, I will block your admission and I 1:41:05.439 --> 1:41:08.400 said why and he said, because you don't have a vacation. 1:41:09.760 --> 1:41:12.599 And he was right. And he wasn't a friend of mine, 1:41:12.640 --> 1:41:14.400 because I had Brother Smith was a friend of mine 1:41:14.439 --> 1:41:16.439 and he was going to support me. And this guy, 1:41:17.040 --> 1:41:19.519 brother Haas was not a friend of mine. But he 1:41:19.640 --> 1:41:22.640 was correct and he was able to see me objectively 1:41:22.680 --> 1:41:25.640 and see that that kid is not in it for 1:41:25.640 --> 1:41:27.800 the right reasons. Because what I wanted to do was 1:41:27.840 --> 1:41:32.120 to play the organ and sit in church alone and 1:41:32.640 --> 1:41:35.800 be quiet and contemplate, you know, big things. I didn't 1:41:35.840 --> 1:41:37.840 want to help people. I didn't want to teach. I 1:41:37.840 --> 1:41:40.640 didn't want to say mass, you know, and that's what 1:41:40.720 --> 1:41:42.439 you have to really want. And I also, I'm not 1:41:42.479 --> 1:41:44.040 even trying to believe in God at that point, you know, 1:41:44.080 --> 1:41:47.280 I just was like way into the trappings of it, 1:41:47.400 --> 1:41:50.720 you know, the rituals of it, and there are a 1:41:50.840 --> 1:41:53.800 lot of ex priests in the acting world, or a 1:41:53.800 --> 1:41:56.840 lot of almost ex priests, a lot of ex seminarians. 1:41:56.880 --> 1:41:57.960 I know, lots of gods. 1:41:58.520 --> 1:42:00.600 An uncle of mine who just passed way, who was 1:42:00.640 --> 1:42:04.680 an actor and a comedian, almost became a priest. Yet 1:42:05.080 --> 1:42:07.400 he wrote a New York Times bestseller about almost. 1:42:07.080 --> 1:42:07.840 Becoming a priest. 1:42:08.040 --> 1:42:08.679 What was it called? 1:42:08.840 --> 1:42:12.160 So crazy? It was called Father Joe Nice. 1:42:12.680 --> 1:42:15.559 Wait, so what do you think do you have a like, 1:42:15.600 --> 1:42:19.880 why do you think that is all these almost actor priests? 1:42:20.240 --> 1:42:23.439 You know, because the especially in the Catholic Mass, it's 1:42:23.479 --> 1:42:27.000 a show. It's absolutely a show. You make an entrance, 1:42:27.160 --> 1:42:29.120 you got a dressing room, You get dressed in a 1:42:29.200 --> 1:42:31.760 dressing room. You kidd, it's beforehand. You have fun. You're like, 1:42:32.479 --> 1:42:34.160 who's out there in the night. I don't know. It's 1:42:34.160 --> 1:42:36.480 a full house, you know. And I get Father Franks 1:42:36.520 --> 1:42:39.640 to smoke a cigar. Back there, he's puffing away, and 1:42:39.680 --> 1:42:41.800 then he would like put it out and you go. 1:42:42.000 --> 1:42:43.960 He'd whip us with his thing and to ring the bell, 1:42:44.000 --> 1:42:46.720 and you ring the bell, ding, and you start down 1:42:46.760 --> 1:42:49.800 the procession. I mean, come on, it's curtains ding. And 1:42:49.840 --> 1:42:53.040 then you walk up the aisle. Everyone stands. They all 1:42:53.080 --> 1:42:56.320 watch you. You're in your costume. You get up there, 1:42:56.320 --> 1:42:59.960 you're on literally on stage. You jump up on stage. 1:43:00.439 --> 1:43:03.519 There's a script, you follow the script. There's a ritual, 1:43:03.560 --> 1:43:06.960 there's things you do. There's magic. There's a magic show 1:43:06.960 --> 1:43:09.320 in the middle of it. You turn, you turn the 1:43:09.360 --> 1:43:11.479 bread into the body of Christ and the wine into 1:43:11.520 --> 1:43:12.800 the blood. Read it's a magic show. 1:43:13.120 --> 1:43:16.280 This makes complete sense now that you're now that you're 1:43:16.360 --> 1:43:17.559 mapping it out for us. 1:43:17.600 --> 1:43:19.679 Wow. And then you get to like, say a sermon, 1:43:19.720 --> 1:43:21.439 you get to improv, you get to do a stand 1:43:21.520 --> 1:43:23.320 up routine. In the middle of it. It's totally off 1:43:23.320 --> 1:43:26.360 the cuff. You know. Some priests go for last Father 1:43:26.479 --> 1:43:29.680 John brought up props, he'd bring out he'd reached his rope, 1:43:29.680 --> 1:43:31.679 and you bring out a bottle of clorox. You go, now, 1:43:31.720 --> 1:43:34.920 this is your soul, this is your soul on God, 1:43:35.160 --> 1:43:36.880 and you bring out a cobust clorox you know what 1:43:36.880 --> 1:43:39.559 I mean, And we'd all laugh, you know. So, so 1:43:39.640 --> 1:43:42.840 it's everything. And then at the end, you know, you genuflect, 1:43:42.880 --> 1:43:45.719 you take your bow, and then you you know, you leave, 1:43:46.200 --> 1:43:48.360 and then you go behind the scenes again. You close 1:43:48.360 --> 1:43:49.600 the door and you take off the stuff and you 1:43:49.680 --> 1:43:52.160 kind of go that, and I was good. I love that. 1:43:52.400 --> 1:43:54.880 I love that thing. That was great that you kneel 1:43:54.920 --> 1:43:56.840 really well right there. Yeah, but you see how I 1:43:56.880 --> 1:43:59.639 lifted the host like that. It was great. Yeah. Nice 1:44:00.080 --> 1:44:04.960 the bells, that was nice timing the bill. Yeah wow. 1:44:05.400 --> 1:44:08.000 I mean we're both Jews, so this is like I 1:44:08.000 --> 1:44:10.280 didn't know about the pageantry of mass like this. 1:44:10.560 --> 1:44:13.559 Oh yeah, oh yeah, but that's interesting. Wow. 1:44:14.280 --> 1:44:16.719 And then this one guy said this isn't for you, 1:44:16.880 --> 1:44:18.960 and you were like, yeah, all right, that's cool. 1:44:19.160 --> 1:44:21.480 I'll go I'll become a superstar. 1:44:22.160 --> 1:44:25.960 I You know, what a lot of things happened between 1:44:26.000 --> 1:44:29.960 eighteen and nineteen, you know, I mean, look at anybody's life. 1:44:30.000 --> 1:44:31.800 A lot what a lot of people wanted to be, 1:44:31.920 --> 1:44:34.200 is that what they ended up being. So at eighteen, 1:44:34.360 --> 1:44:36.920 I was accepted into the opera program at University of 1:44:37.000 --> 1:44:41.000 Michigan and at the same time except into Northwestern and acting, 1:44:41.360 --> 1:44:44.280 and it did not matter to me which way I went. 1:44:44.640 --> 1:44:48.479 And I ended up going to Northwestern and I did 1:44:48.560 --> 1:44:50.360 opera there for my first year and a lot of 1:44:50.400 --> 1:44:53.320 musicals and then just kind of like fell into acting, 1:44:53.479 --> 1:44:56.360 you know, I mean, and that that became the thing. Yeah, 1:44:56.400 --> 1:44:58.360 And I, you know, and far as it was weird, 1:44:58.360 --> 1:45:00.000 you know, I mean, I also was going to be straight. 1:45:00.560 --> 1:45:02.519 I decided when I left high school, I'm going to 1:45:02.560 --> 1:45:05.360 be straight. I'm going to be straight. And I got 1:45:05.360 --> 1:45:07.400 to college and like within two weeks I was in 1:45:07.439 --> 1:45:11.120 bed with my director, this guy named Tom, and I 1:45:11.120 --> 1:45:13.000 woke up and I was like, fuck, I forgot to 1:45:13.000 --> 1:45:13.400 be straight. 1:45:13.760 --> 1:45:17.160 Oh my plan forgot to be straight. 1:45:17.360 --> 1:45:17.920 Oh my god. 1:45:18.240 --> 1:45:23.680 I just wanted to add that I'm from Skochie, so yeah, 1:45:23.760 --> 1:45:26.360 I always love North. Then you did theater in Chicago, right, 1:45:26.400 --> 1:45:28.080 you did, like the Steppenwolf. 1:45:27.560 --> 1:45:31.599 And a bunch never this step everybody, but I think 1:45:31.680 --> 1:45:38.240 Goodman remains body Politech, uh, Wisdom Bridge. I got the Goodman, 1:45:39.479 --> 1:45:41.439 never stepped the most. They were sort of a closed shop. 1:45:41.479 --> 1:45:44.160 They were like, did you drink at old Town Alehouse. 1:45:45.320 --> 1:45:48.519 Everywhere? But I didn't I drink. I drank everywhere up 1:45:48.520 --> 1:45:51.000 and down Lincoln Avenue down, you know, I was a waiter, 1:45:51.840 --> 1:45:55.799 I thank god, everywhere, Yeah, everywhere, crazy crazy, crazy crazy. 1:45:56.960 --> 1:46:00.360 I don't know if you remember specifically Becau, because you 1:46:00.439 --> 1:46:03.080 are so prolific and you've done so many things, but like, 1:46:03.400 --> 1:46:06.200 do you remember with Sbu, like being on season one 1:46:06.240 --> 1:46:09.200 and then being on season fourteen, like flashing forward thirteen 1:46:09.320 --> 1:46:11.759 or fourteen years later, like was there like a different 1:46:11.840 --> 1:46:14.080 vibe on the set both episodes that you did, or 1:46:14.120 --> 1:46:16.439 like had you seen how things had kind of fallen 1:46:16.439 --> 1:46:18.920 into a groove? Or like what any any memories And 1:46:18.960 --> 1:46:20.800 if the answer is I don't remember a damn thing, 1:46:20.880 --> 1:46:22.920 that's fine and we can completely erase this question. 1:46:23.479 --> 1:46:26.280 I remember a lot of things from all the different things. 1:46:26.320 --> 1:46:30.400 I mean, you know, I do get mixed up between 1:46:30.520 --> 1:46:35.479 what I did in Law and Order. Yeah, but you 1:46:35.520 --> 1:46:40.120 know again, I just had these you know, these flashes 1:46:40.120 --> 1:46:43.000 and these images of where we were because you know, 1:46:43.040 --> 1:46:45.920 you'd be shooting in bizarre places in the Bronx. I 1:46:45.960 --> 1:46:47.920 don't know why. You're always in the Bronx for some reason. 1:46:47.960 --> 1:46:50.799 I don't know why either that or at Chelsea Peers, 1:46:50.960 --> 1:46:53.360 and it's always four in the morning. Your call is 1:46:53.400 --> 1:46:57.280 always four in the morning. So super tired. I think 1:46:57.320 --> 1:46:59.880 of that. My entire Law and Order experience was one 1:47:00.120 --> 1:47:02.840 on lack of sleep, always on three hours. You know 1:47:02.880 --> 1:47:04.639 how I got my lines out, I don't know, because 1:47:04.640 --> 1:47:08.320 you were always super tired, super super super tired. 1:47:08.360 --> 1:47:10.639 Well, your character does get like the crap beat out 1:47:10.640 --> 1:47:11.559 of him at the beginnings. 1:47:11.680 --> 1:47:12.519 Maybe you being. 1:47:12.400 --> 1:47:15.040 Tired sort of added to that whole vibe of like 1:47:15.160 --> 1:47:17.400 your face being kind of yes, you know. 1:47:17.560 --> 1:47:20.439 It didn't have to do no no acting required, kind 1:47:20.439 --> 1:47:23.280 of yeah. And there were I know that there was 1:47:23.320 --> 1:47:26.519 a makeup guy who was there for almost the entire tenure, 1:47:27.640 --> 1:47:29.479 kind after the life you remember his name, But so 1:47:29.560 --> 1:47:31.840 you would see a lot of the old faces, and 1:47:32.240 --> 1:47:35.400 you know, they recycle, a lot of cameraman would come 1:47:35.439 --> 1:47:38.360 through that you remembered, and drivers that you remembered, and 1:47:38.400 --> 1:47:41.599 people shuffle between the different franchises, and you know, as 1:47:41.680 --> 1:47:44.960 an actor, your your your real life on the set 1:47:45.479 --> 1:47:47.080 is with the people you hang out with, and that 1:47:47.280 --> 1:47:51.840 is wardrobe, makeup, hair and makeup and camera guys, you know, 1:47:52.640 --> 1:47:54.600 because that's that's what you're hanging out with them in 1:47:54.680 --> 1:47:57.799 who you get to know the best. And I remember 1:47:57.840 --> 1:48:01.360 being very finally having that sort of continuity of those 1:48:01.439 --> 1:48:03.400 of those people that's so good. 1:48:03.400 --> 1:48:06.320 And you got to work with Resident Hattie Danny Pino 1:48:07.400 --> 1:48:08.760 officer Amara. 1:48:08.600 --> 1:48:11.919 Yes and very sweet, really wanted some scoops. 1:48:11.920 --> 1:48:13.280 So he's nice, nice guy. 1:48:14.280 --> 1:48:16.920 In fact, I remember shooting with him this one thing 1:48:17.040 --> 1:48:21.759 and we were in some sort of weird set where 1:48:22.000 --> 1:48:24.360 you were in a jail set here and right next 1:48:24.360 --> 1:48:27.479 door was the lawyer set that was a kitchen set, 1:48:27.520 --> 1:48:30.280 and it was just so you know, weird, walking through 1:48:30.280 --> 1:48:32.880 these different worlds and to go to the jail set 1:48:33.320 --> 1:48:36.719 where I was interrogated. But he was lovely. He's truly lovely. 1:48:36.880 --> 1:48:39.840 Well, you work with so many amazing talented people, and 1:48:39.880 --> 1:48:42.560 you've worked for so long, do you ever get starstruck? 1:48:44.280 --> 1:48:48.519 God? Yeah, absolutely, yeah. You know, whenever you walk into 1:48:48.520 --> 1:48:51.920 a room and you see somebody you recognize, you're always 1:48:52.000 --> 1:48:54.200 kind of like, oh my god, there's that person, you know. 1:48:55.280 --> 1:48:57.280 I mean I certainly had that the very first time 1:48:57.280 --> 1:49:01.320 I worked at Jerry Orbach, because Jerry Orbach, you know, 1:49:01.720 --> 1:49:05.320 mister Lumierre. I mean, you know, it's just like it's extraordinary, 1:49:05.360 --> 1:49:07.120 and you know, and he was a song and dance 1:49:07.200 --> 1:49:11.479 man in previously and then that, and he was truly 1:49:11.520 --> 1:49:14.759 one of one of the I don't know, just nicest people. 1:49:14.800 --> 1:49:18.280 And he had a great tan and amazing sparkly teeth 1:49:18.320 --> 1:49:21.479 and sparkly eyes and just nice, I mean, just a 1:49:21.560 --> 1:49:24.960 nice man. You know. I remember very early on he 1:49:24.960 --> 1:49:28.280 he gave me a I was sitting with my wife 1:49:28.280 --> 1:49:30.920 while I just met, you know, as you do. You're 1:49:30.920 --> 1:49:33.200 an actor, this is your wife, hi, and then you 1:49:33.240 --> 1:49:36.280 sit down and you go and we were shooting and 1:49:36.320 --> 1:49:38.920 he said to me, you know, you can put your 1:49:39.040 --> 1:49:42.759 arm around her. She's your wife. And I went, oh, 1:49:43.040 --> 1:49:45.400 he goes, yeah, but you put your arm around her. 1:49:46.040 --> 1:49:48.479 And so I did. And I couldn't have done that 1:49:48.560 --> 1:49:50.880 on my own as an actor who didn't know this person. 1:49:51.439 --> 1:49:53.599 But since he said it in front of both of us, 1:49:53.960 --> 1:49:57.200 you know, the permission was given and I could do it, 1:49:57.240 --> 1:49:59.439 and it just it made it broke the ice and 1:49:59.479 --> 1:50:02.639 a really really great way. He was very generous that way, 1:50:02.680 --> 1:50:05.480 as was Ben Bratt. He was very just very very generous, 1:50:05.800 --> 1:50:08.680 very very giving, very very you know, very I just 1:50:08.800 --> 1:50:11.320 you know, and I always had that experience, you know, 1:50:11.360 --> 1:50:15.840 as far as star Truck goes starstruck, I I mean, 1:50:16.040 --> 1:50:21.520 I've been lucky enough to work with Julia Roberts acually, Julie, 1:50:21.560 --> 1:50:28.439 George Clooney, Brad Pitt, Nicole Kidman, Meryl Streep, and you know, 1:50:29.400 --> 1:50:33.879 more than being starstruck, you sort of feel this pressure 1:50:34.000 --> 1:50:38.439 to bring the game at their level because all those 1:50:38.479 --> 1:50:42.280 people walk in the room with ready to play. None 1:50:42.320 --> 1:50:44.439 of them are coming in the room, half asked, not 1:50:44.520 --> 1:50:46.519 all books. I mean they're they're ready to play, you know. 1:50:46.640 --> 1:50:50.120 And and especially someone like Nicole Kidman, I find that, 1:50:50.160 --> 1:50:52.760 you know, she makes you just go toe to toe 1:50:52.760 --> 1:50:56.280 in a really really hard, great way. Not to mention 1:50:56.600 --> 1:50:59.599 missus Meryl Streep, who you know, is amazing to work with, 1:50:59.720 --> 1:51:02.920 Kat Debates, you know, first time, I was very intimidated 1:51:02.920 --> 1:51:05.040 by her when I first started working with her, and 1:51:05.080 --> 1:51:08.520 then I became, you know, less intimidated. But she always 1:51:09.000 --> 1:51:11.280 challenges you to bring your best, you know. Jessica Lang, 1:51:12.000 --> 1:51:14.479 you know, I had a very hard time sort of 1:51:14.520 --> 1:51:18.400 like allowing myself to be be her peer while we're 1:51:18.400 --> 1:51:20.400 working together. But you have to, you have to, you 1:51:20.439 --> 1:51:23.960 have to be there peer. You know. Just an amazing 1:51:24.040 --> 1:51:25.320 person to work with. Truly. 1:51:26.360 --> 1:51:28.720 Can you tell us a little bit about being in 1:51:28.760 --> 1:51:32.000 the Ryan Murphy universe. I mean, it's like that's another 1:51:32.120 --> 1:51:33.680 universe that you're a part of. You're a part of 1:51:33.720 --> 1:51:38.479 many many universes, but there's like there's so much Ryan 1:51:38.560 --> 1:51:41.479 Murphy SVU crossover, Like Chloe Savigny has been on its, 1:51:41.479 --> 1:51:42.600 Sarah Paulson. 1:51:42.320 --> 1:51:45.840 Lily Rob, a lot of people you. You know, like 1:51:45.880 --> 1:51:46.719 so many people. 1:51:46.520 --> 1:51:49.960 Have been on this SVU and are on American Horse Story, 1:51:50.000 --> 1:51:51.479 So it's fun as a viewer of both. 1:51:52.600 --> 1:51:55.240 How's that franchise? 1:51:55.640 --> 1:52:00.639 The Ryan Murphy world is crazy? It's it's crazy good mostly. 1:52:00.840 --> 1:52:04.280 I mean, it's a it's a it's a mad ride 1:52:04.560 --> 1:52:07.800 in that just the logistics of it are always mad 1:52:07.880 --> 1:52:10.439 because you don't quite know what you're doing ever, and 1:52:10.479 --> 1:52:12.400 you don't get a whole lot of clues, and you 1:52:12.560 --> 1:52:15.240 just kind of have to show up and work. It's 1:52:15.280 --> 1:52:18.559 super creative, it's super challenging in a really good way. 1:52:18.640 --> 1:52:24.120 You're given great characters, You're given great opportunity. Ryan gives 1:52:24.160 --> 1:52:28.919 people a platform, he gives people an amazing opportunities to succeed. 1:52:29.479 --> 1:52:32.720 He he really is in your corner. And I love 1:52:32.720 --> 1:52:35.320 the fact that he creates for all kinds of communities, 1:52:36.360 --> 1:52:38.599 you know. And also there's there's the rep idea which 1:52:38.640 --> 1:52:41.720 exists in the Good Wife, it exists in Law and Order, 1:52:42.080 --> 1:52:45.120 This rep of actors, this community of actors who seek 1:52:45.200 --> 1:52:48.360 to cycle in and out and always show up everywhere. 1:52:48.360 --> 1:52:49.840 I mean, I was watching Evil. 1:52:49.960 --> 1:52:53.360 Oh we Are I love I love that show, which I. 1:52:53.400 --> 1:52:56.080 Love, but it's like it's all the Good Wife people. 1:52:56.080 --> 1:53:00.920 It's like, uh oh, there's there. Michaelamorous at all. 1:53:00.960 --> 1:53:06.080 Both both SVU alums, Carrie Preston, Michael Emerson, all SBU people. 1:53:06.439 --> 1:53:09.160 Yeah, And I always find the overlap. My kind of 1:53:09.760 --> 1:53:12.240 where my brain is is the SVU, Sex and the 1:53:12.360 --> 1:53:16.040 City Oz. Those are my three New York like Constant, 1:53:16.720 --> 1:53:19.200 those are where everyone exists or Seinfeld like that's where 1:53:19.200 --> 1:53:20.280 everyone exists in my brain. 1:53:21.280 --> 1:53:24.760 It's really really interesting. And you know, there are some 1:53:25.080 --> 1:53:27.640 poor actors who never got on Law and Order, and 1:53:28.640 --> 1:53:31.880 they really do. It's a thing. It's a thing. You 1:53:31.960 --> 1:53:34.080 can't talk about it with them. You can't bring it up, 1:53:34.400 --> 1:53:36.479 you know, it's a thing. They just sort of like 1:53:36.600 --> 1:53:38.840 eat themselves up and kind of go. I never got 1:53:38.920 --> 1:53:41.400 on Law and Order. I never I never got a 1:53:41.520 --> 1:53:42.000 loan order. 1:53:42.439 --> 1:53:46.160 You know, Well, you got to work with a kid, 1:53:46.600 --> 1:53:48.040 you know, your daughter on this show. 1:53:48.160 --> 1:53:49.920 Does that change the vibe on a set when you 1:53:50.040 --> 1:53:52.720 have to work with the child, and how is it 1:53:52.800 --> 1:53:53.320 working with her? 1:53:54.160 --> 1:53:57.600 I've always liked kids and always been fairly you know, 1:53:57.800 --> 1:54:00.880 comfortable with kids. It's not a thing that throws me 1:54:00.960 --> 1:54:04.639 off at all. And I tend to be an actor 1:54:04.720 --> 1:54:07.360 who I will go off script at the drop of 1:54:07.400 --> 1:54:09.040 a hat. If you let me, I will, I will 1:54:09.080 --> 1:54:12.639 go over there. And so I love that kid energy 1:54:12.720 --> 1:54:14.519 that they don't really play by the rules and they 1:54:14.520 --> 1:54:17.640 don't obey things, and it's like like dogs, you know, 1:54:17.720 --> 1:54:19.720 dogs are the best actress in the world. They look, 1:54:19.760 --> 1:54:21.240 but they want to look. They do what they want 1:54:21.280 --> 1:54:24.880 to do. They just their dogs and it's it's really admirable. 1:54:24.960 --> 1:54:27.920 And and kids have that quality. And I like that, 1:54:29.160 --> 1:54:32.880 and you know, I mean I I I also you know, 1:54:34.000 --> 1:54:36.240 you've got to keep it g rated for a kid, 1:54:36.800 --> 1:54:39.480 and I get very protective about about that, you know, 1:54:39.520 --> 1:54:41.240 And so I want to make sure that their experience 1:54:41.320 --> 1:54:43.960 is good. And I'm very interested in in them having 1:54:44.000 --> 1:54:46.600 a good time, you know. I did. I did Inherit 1:54:46.640 --> 1:54:49.760 the Wind years ago on Broadway with Chris Plumber and 1:54:49.840 --> 1:54:53.920 Brian dennehy. And it's a kid named Connor. I can't 1:54:53.920 --> 1:54:56.240 remember his last name, but he was twelve at the time. 1:54:56.720 --> 1:54:59.560 Uh And and a couple of kids in that show. 1:54:59.760 --> 1:55:04.120 And what I loved about kid actors is that backstage, 1:55:04.360 --> 1:55:08.080 we're all just actors. We all sat backstage waiting to 1:55:08.160 --> 1:55:10.760 make our entrance, and there's no difference between Chris Plumber 1:55:10.760 --> 1:55:14.160 at eighty and Connor at twelve. They're all just actors. 1:55:14.480 --> 1:55:15.840 And you turn to Chris and you kind of go, 1:55:16.040 --> 1:55:17.840 good weekend and he's like, yeah, yeah, And turn to 1:55:17.880 --> 1:55:21.120 Connedy kind of go, would you have a good good weekend? Yeah? Yeah, 1:55:21.120 --> 1:55:23.480 what'd you guys do? I hang out with some buddies. Yeah, 1:55:23.600 --> 1:55:26.000 me too, Me too. It's the same thing. You know, 1:55:26.120 --> 1:55:29.040 they're actors. And I love that about the world of 1:55:29.080 --> 1:55:32.800 an actor is that you don't have a age hierarchy. 1:55:33.480 --> 1:55:35.720 You know, you're you're an actor. You're an actor. 1:55:36.120 --> 1:55:38.440 Yeah, which I bet kids love too because it's you 1:55:38.480 --> 1:55:40.440 always just want to be treated like an adult, and 1:55:40.600 --> 1:55:43.840 that maybe that's one of the reasons why kids want 1:55:43.880 --> 1:55:47.640 to be in that world so much. Do you like, 1:55:48.200 --> 1:55:51.320 like I said, your IMDb is like just so extensive, 1:55:51.520 --> 1:55:54.080 Like do you have like favorite roles that you've played 1:55:54.200 --> 1:55:55.720 or like, as I know you have played so many 1:55:55.760 --> 1:56:00.440 different things with Ryan Murphy and like and Big Little Lies, 1:56:00.520 --> 1:56:02.280 so many different things, Like do you have a favorite 1:56:02.480 --> 1:56:03.760 or or a top three? 1:56:04.000 --> 1:56:07.720 I mean, you know, I do I have parts that 1:56:07.840 --> 1:56:10.480 I that I really loved playing. I have to say 1:56:10.680 --> 1:56:14.600 sticking in the Law and Order franchise that I played 1:56:14.720 --> 1:56:18.800 a schizophrenic in a law and order years ago who 1:56:19.120 --> 1:56:22.720 was his own lawyer, And there was a really challenging 1:56:22.760 --> 1:56:28.200 episode to shoot, and I remember being very I don't know, 1:56:28.560 --> 1:56:32.640 it was hard to do. However, two things about it. 1:56:32.800 --> 1:56:36.560 One was and out played my sister. Yes, the great, 1:56:36.760 --> 1:56:39.400 the great, the great and legend. Yeah, and we were 1:56:39.560 --> 1:56:41.320 we were in Garden State together, even though we didn't 1:56:41.320 --> 1:56:43.200 play together the same movie. And I knew her big 1:56:43.280 --> 1:56:45.960 Vega from Chicago. Anyway, she played my sister in that, 1:56:47.040 --> 1:56:51.800 which was extraordinary anyway, And I'll never forget on my coverage, 1:56:52.120 --> 1:56:53.880 I had this scene right to turn around and look 1:56:53.920 --> 1:56:58.320 at my sister and she breaks down, and I break down, 1:56:59.120 --> 1:57:03.520 and every single take off camera camera not on her 1:57:04.440 --> 1:57:10.560 and out full tears, full breakdown. Wow, because she was 1:57:10.600 --> 1:57:13.720 supporting me, she was giving it to me. And I 1:57:13.760 --> 1:57:16.080 remember thinking, save it for yourself, honey, you got to 1:57:16.080 --> 1:57:17.320 save it, You got to save it for yourself. But 1:57:17.360 --> 1:57:20.400 she didn't. She was just like full on all the time. Incredible, 1:57:20.480 --> 1:57:23.400 such a problem, such a probe. And you know that episode. 1:57:24.400 --> 1:57:28.520 So many people have remembered that episode and referenced that episode, 1:57:28.560 --> 1:57:31.120 and I think it's one of those things that has 1:57:31.280 --> 1:57:34.760 helped people who deal with relatives or a schizophrenic or 1:57:34.800 --> 1:57:38.120 who have an experienced a schizophrenia, and they find it 1:57:38.400 --> 1:57:42.760 very cathartic or very moving. And it's not, as actors, 1:57:42.840 --> 1:57:47.200 what we expect our work to do. But it's really 1:57:47.320 --> 1:57:51.600 satisfying when our work has another effect beyond just entertainment, 1:57:51.640 --> 1:57:53.880 that it actually is therapeutic. And so I've always been 1:57:53.920 --> 1:57:56.760 proud of that episode for that reason that it seems 1:57:56.800 --> 1:58:01.640 to have affected people in a helpful way. And you know, 1:58:01.840 --> 1:58:03.720 and the book end of that is playing Liz Taylor 1:58:03.840 --> 1:58:08.640 in American Horror Story in Hotel kind of the same thing. 1:58:08.680 --> 1:58:10.600 You know. We went into that character. I had no 1:58:10.720 --> 1:58:14.320 idea what that character was. Ryan Murphy just said, you're 1:58:14.360 --> 1:58:18.480 playing Liz. She has a Cleopatra eye, gorgeous. You're gonna 1:58:18.480 --> 1:58:21.280 love her shaved head, gorgeous. That's all I got. That's 1:58:21.320 --> 1:58:23.760 all I got as a character to go. I was like, okay, 1:58:24.840 --> 1:58:26.480 I didn't want to play it. I had no interest 1:58:26.520 --> 1:58:28.000 in playing. I was like, I don't want to know this. 1:58:29.720 --> 1:58:32.560 I put off investigating and I put it off working 1:58:32.640 --> 1:58:34.760 on it. I was like, ah, And then when we 1:58:34.880 --> 1:58:37.000 got there, you know, and I got into my high heels, 1:58:37.040 --> 1:58:39.840 my lue batons. It just kind of like it just 1:58:39.920 --> 1:58:43.800 all came together. The character came fully formed. But I 1:58:43.880 --> 1:58:47.240 didn't we didn't know that she was on a gender journey, 1:58:47.240 --> 1:58:49.360 that she was a transgender character at that point, and 1:58:49.520 --> 1:58:51.320 I didn't know that. I thought this was someone who 1:58:51.320 --> 1:58:54.040 had a male a male life, and a female life, 1:58:54.080 --> 1:58:57.200 and didn't realize that she identified as transgender. And I 1:58:57.240 --> 1:58:59.240 don't think the writers knew that either, And that became 1:58:59.440 --> 1:59:02.760 a reality as we got into the episodes, and so 1:59:03.400 --> 1:59:07.240 my journey as an actor was also mirrored in her 1:59:07.480 --> 1:59:10.520 journey as a character. It was really really interesting that 1:59:10.640 --> 1:59:13.720 was also a character I had a hard time playing 1:59:14.480 --> 1:59:17.760 in that I found it difficult to let go of. 1:59:18.720 --> 1:59:22.440 Of shooting days, I found it. I found shooting days traumatic. 1:59:22.960 --> 1:59:28.080 I found the aftermath traumatic but really rewarding. And uh, 1:59:28.520 --> 1:59:30.240 and again, that's a character that a lot of people 1:59:30.360 --> 1:59:32.880 relate to and have come up to me and and 1:59:33.280 --> 1:59:36.840 and said thank you, which again is a great sort 1:59:36.880 --> 1:59:39.800 of amazing. It makes you feel like you're doing something 1:59:39.880 --> 1:59:40.560 useful in the world. 1:59:41.360 --> 1:59:46.120 Yeah, what do you get recognized? Sorry, the most like 1:59:46.320 --> 1:59:48.760 on the streets when you're approached, you. 1:59:48.800 --> 1:59:54.200 Know it's funny. It's funny. Charles Abernathy Judged The Good Wife, 1:59:55.480 --> 2:00:00.440 Russell Edgington, the vampire King in Mississippi, and usually Taylor 2:00:00.600 --> 2:00:04.440 from American Horror Story you know, or sometimes Larry from 2:00:04.480 --> 2:00:07.600 season one of Horror Story. It's it's usually those those 2:00:07.640 --> 2:00:11.160 two guys. I mean, I can tell a lot about 2:00:11.160 --> 2:00:14.440 a person. I can usually tell from fifty paces what 2:00:14.520 --> 2:00:15.480 they're going to know me from. 2:00:15.960 --> 2:00:18.320 If I saw you on the street before this as VU, 2:00:18.440 --> 2:00:20.320 I think it would for me have been true Blood. 2:00:20.640 --> 2:00:24.000 True Blood. Russell. Yeah, it's really funny. I mean I could, 2:00:24.040 --> 2:00:26.240 I could almost almost pick it out. And of course 2:00:26.280 --> 2:00:31.000 there are those people who completely baffle me and surprise 2:00:31.120 --> 2:00:33.400 me and they're like, oh my god, you were so 2:00:33.560 --> 2:00:38.160 good as Ed Grell and Poe. I'm like, what, no 2:00:38.320 --> 2:00:40.920 one watch that you watch that? You know what I mean? 2:00:41.000 --> 2:00:44.240 It's good for you. I'm so happy you watch That's 2:00:44.320 --> 2:00:44.920 so funny. 2:00:45.880 --> 2:00:47.840 Do you want to direct? Is that something that you 2:00:47.920 --> 2:00:50.000 want to do or not? I don't know, No, no, 2:00:51.880 --> 2:00:53.200 maybe the first cool. 2:00:53.280 --> 2:00:57.520 I'm a writer, though, and so I you know, I've 2:00:57.560 --> 2:01:01.000 written a movie of mine, the Party Glass, and was 2:01:01.040 --> 2:01:04.760 in it, and I've pitched a pilot and nobody wanted. 2:01:05.160 --> 2:01:07.120 They all were like, oh, I got an amazing pitch 2:01:07.200 --> 2:01:09.840 and nobody bought it. And so I'm now turning into 2:01:09.880 --> 2:01:11.880 a novel and I've written eight hundred pages and now 2:01:11.880 --> 2:01:14.240 I'm on my third rewrite. I'm hoping to get it 2:01:14.280 --> 2:01:18.600 down about four fifty. It's a dystopian novel. I write plays. 2:01:18.720 --> 2:01:22.000 So I've written two plays in my friendly So Peterson, 2:01:22.400 --> 2:01:24.440 a play called an Elia, which I do a one 2:01:24.520 --> 2:01:27.040 man show, and then The Good Book, I play about 2:01:27.040 --> 2:01:28.920 the Bible which I would love, which has done at 2:01:28.920 --> 2:01:30.720 the Birthday rep. And let me have a third play 2:01:30.760 --> 2:01:32.680 called The Song of Rome, about the Fall of Rome, 2:01:32.680 --> 2:01:35.800 which we are going to be premiering in Romania this 2:01:35.920 --> 2:01:39.480 coming up June. So that's where my creative other thing 2:01:39.560 --> 2:01:43.920 comes in is writing, not so much directing. Yeah, I don't. 2:01:43.960 --> 2:01:47.360 I don't have the director bone. I don't have that desire. 2:01:47.600 --> 2:01:49.840 I just don't. I don't think I have the vision 2:01:50.000 --> 2:01:51.600 or whatever it is. I don't think. I don't think 2:01:51.600 --> 2:01:52.240 I have that vision. 2:01:53.320 --> 2:01:55.440 We don't want to keep you all day or anything, 2:01:55.560 --> 2:01:57.920 but are there any thank you so much for taking 2:01:57.960 --> 2:01:59.440 the time to talk to us. Are there projects that 2:01:59.520 --> 2:02:02.880 you shout out, like, besides the Nevers, which I know 2:02:03.120 --> 2:02:06.760 is is currently on or is you know the Nevers? 2:02:06.880 --> 2:02:10.520 We we We showed the first six on HBO and 2:02:10.640 --> 2:02:13.040 then the next six for finishing up, and I think 2:02:13.080 --> 2:02:18.160 it'll be out next April May June. Not not up 2:02:18.200 --> 2:02:22.320 to me, above my pay grade, but wonderful actors Laura. 2:02:22.160 --> 2:02:29.760 Donnelly, Uh, Olivia Williams and Skelly Amy Manson, Ben Ben Chaplin, 2:02:30.240 --> 2:02:33.520 Jim Norton, Tom Riley, James Norton, sorry Tom Riley. 2:02:33.680 --> 2:02:38.280 Just really a great group of actors, paper directors, and yeah, 2:02:38.520 --> 2:02:42.160 and a really cool set, you know. I mean Joss 2:02:42.160 --> 2:02:45.640 Whedon was our first showrunner, and then Josh left and 2:02:45.800 --> 2:02:48.680 Philip A. Gossa came in. Uh, and it's a really 2:02:49.080 --> 2:02:53.080 it's really a cool female team. I must say, I'm 2:02:53.360 --> 2:02:59.280 loving watching this industry finally wake up. And I've been 2:02:59.360 --> 2:03:01.680 lucky in my care to be in directed by some 2:03:01.880 --> 2:03:05.920 great female directors. We have a great female DP. I 2:03:06.040 --> 2:03:08.440 love female camera ops. I love the fact that a 2:03:08.520 --> 2:03:10.760 lot of the first aids are female. Now, I love 2:03:10.800 --> 2:03:13.120 the fact a lot of the gaffers, the focus pullers 2:03:13.160 --> 2:03:16.280 are girls or women. It's it's about time and I 2:03:16.360 --> 2:03:18.040 love it, and the same with people of color. You know, 2:03:18.520 --> 2:03:20.040 when I worked on The Good The Good Fight in 2:03:20.080 --> 2:03:23.760 New York, I was so gratified to finally see crews 2:03:23.800 --> 2:03:26.200 that weren't all white. And you know, it's just so 2:03:26.400 --> 2:03:29.880 nice to finally see the industry changing. It's got a 2:03:30.000 --> 2:03:32.240 long way to go, but it's going there. It's moving 2:03:32.240 --> 2:03:34.280 in the right direction, and I'm thrilled about that. 2:03:38.160 --> 2:03:39.080 What a dream guest. 2:03:39.240 --> 2:03:43.120 I love him like he's just fully up in London 2:03:43.160 --> 2:03:46.040 at eleven PM, just chatting away with us with stage 2:03:46.080 --> 2:03:48.640 blood on yes, with stage blood on his hands and 2:03:48.760 --> 2:03:50.240 in his beard, like I mean. 2:03:50.240 --> 2:03:52.360 And we stopped recording, but I think you'd all like 2:03:52.440 --> 2:03:54.800 to know that to top off his night, he was 2:03:54.880 --> 2:03:58.440 gonna go watch drag Race and we can't believe it, right, 2:03:58.520 --> 2:03:58.880 he goes. 2:03:58.800 --> 2:04:00.680 All right, I'm gonna go watch drag Race. We were like, oh, 2:04:00.840 --> 2:04:05.240 you tell us, yeah, But check out Dennis O'Hare in 2:04:06.000 --> 2:04:08.839 the second half of the first season of The Never's 2:04:08.920 --> 2:04:09.520 on HBO. 2:04:09.680 --> 2:04:13.440 It sounds like a cool show. And I love so talented. 2:04:13.160 --> 2:04:14.760 Talking to someone who doesn't want to be a director, 2:04:14.800 --> 2:04:18.360 because that is something that I personally would never I 2:04:19.080 --> 2:04:21.800 never want to do. But it seems like every actor 2:04:21.960 --> 2:04:23.880 professional is like I can't wait to do that. So 2:04:23.920 --> 2:04:27.160 I thought I was like lazy or something. And then 2:04:27.280 --> 2:04:29.560 I don't know, it's just not that's not in your heart, 2:04:29.720 --> 2:04:30.640 like how you say to me. 2:04:30.720 --> 2:04:32.360 I'm like, Lisa, what you should do is you should 2:04:32.400 --> 2:04:34.840 just make a spreadsheet put all your passwords in it. 2:04:34.880 --> 2:04:36.600 And you're like, Kara, that's in your heart. That's not 2:04:36.720 --> 2:04:38.400 for me, Like and I get that, you know. 2:04:38.680 --> 2:04:40.720 So it was just cool to talk to someone that 2:04:40.840 --> 2:04:42.600 is so accomplished, doing so much and he's like, I'm 2:04:42.600 --> 2:04:44.080 happy to yes, thank you so much. 2:04:44.280 --> 2:04:48.160 I don't need Yeah, And he is working and he 2:04:48.320 --> 2:04:51.160 has a beautiful husband and child, a beautiful family. 2:04:51.320 --> 2:04:53.680 He's a wonderful person and theater and he's right. 2:04:53.720 --> 2:04:56.839 I don't know, I just for what a Christmas miracle, 2:04:56.920 --> 2:05:00.680 I guess I would say someone, Yeah, Well, if. 2:05:00.560 --> 2:05:02.560 We want to jump into our post mortem, I'll say. 2:05:02.600 --> 2:05:04.920 One thing I learned is that many actors were about 2:05:04.960 --> 2:05:05.760 to become priests. 2:05:05.880 --> 2:05:06.360 I didn't know. 2:05:06.680 --> 2:05:09.760 Yeah, and that's like a pretty that's well, you know 2:05:09.800 --> 2:05:12.720 what's funny. It's like how a lot of comics were lawyers, 2:05:13.880 --> 2:05:17.360 like a ton of comment like guy Branham Giraldo like 2:05:17.440 --> 2:05:19.480 all these people, I guess we're in law school or 2:05:19.520 --> 2:05:21.400 like the Lucas brothers, like we're. 2:05:21.320 --> 2:05:24.040 In law school or became lawyers and then. 2:05:24.520 --> 2:05:25.960 But that kind of makes sense to me because it's 2:05:26.040 --> 2:05:29.960 like argumentative, analytical, you know, like becoming a like wanting 2:05:30.000 --> 2:05:31.720 to be a priest. I just don't know that because I, 2:05:31.960 --> 2:05:34.120 like I said, I'm not Catholic, so I don't really 2:05:34.160 --> 2:05:37.040 think of I think of Catholic mass as boring as fuck, 2:05:37.160 --> 2:05:38.320 not like a show you put on. 2:05:38.520 --> 2:05:41.280 But you know, well a show is way to look 2:05:41.320 --> 2:05:44.880 at it, because to me, like religion's always like rules 2:05:45.480 --> 2:05:48.280 you have to do, Like it doesn't seem as free. 2:05:48.480 --> 2:05:50.560 But for him, he was like you get to chat 2:05:50.600 --> 2:05:53.520 a little, get the crowd going, you know, like there's 2:05:53.640 --> 2:05:58.560 a project show, smoke a cigar. Like I guess, yeah, 2:05:58.600 --> 2:06:01.800 I never I never it that way. I mean what 2:06:01.920 --> 2:06:04.240 we learn every week. I would have to say is 2:06:04.480 --> 2:06:08.880 believe victims. Yeah, believe victims. 2:06:09.080 --> 2:06:11.640 They have nothing to benefit from lying. 2:06:12.360 --> 2:06:15.000 But I will say, just if you are trying to 2:06:15.120 --> 2:06:18.080 vigilante some shit for your sister, just let's just double check. 2:06:18.120 --> 2:06:20.640 Let's just confirm that you got the right person. You know, 2:06:21.560 --> 2:06:23.600 and we learn, as we learn all the. 2:06:23.640 --> 2:06:27.240 Time on the show, that eyewitness accounts are not accurate, 2:06:27.480 --> 2:06:30.200 like everybody had Sam Pegg does the guy who was 2:06:30.280 --> 2:06:32.680 beating up this priest and that was it was not true. 2:06:33.400 --> 2:06:37.320 So you know, Also we learned that Warner wants to 2:06:37.600 --> 2:06:39.760 fuck Finn. Hopefully maybe I. 2:06:39.920 --> 2:06:42.200 Think we did, but I was a question for one 2:06:42.240 --> 2:06:44.040 of them when we get them on for sure, and 2:06:44.320 --> 2:06:45.200 maybe things have changed. 2:06:45.240 --> 2:06:47.400 But you know, I've been on a tear this month. 2:06:47.480 --> 2:06:49.800 I have been watching all SVU twenty four to seven 2:06:49.880 --> 2:06:50.960 in the Home and. 2:06:51.920 --> 2:06:52.840 In the Home RRA. 2:06:55.080 --> 2:06:58.480 Melinda talked about a husband in one of the episodes. 2:06:59.400 --> 2:07:03.200 Oh and so she had been married. We don't know 2:07:03.240 --> 2:07:04.960 if there was a divorce, he could have died. I mean, 2:07:05.000 --> 2:07:07.600 who fucking knows. But she does mention a husband in 2:07:07.760 --> 2:07:10.440 previous episodes. But it doesn't mean they could have an 2:07:10.440 --> 2:07:12.600 open thing. They've been together a long time. We don't know, 2:07:12.680 --> 2:07:13.200 who knows. 2:07:13.680 --> 2:07:15.600 I mean, there's just like a whole vibe with the 2:07:15.640 --> 2:07:18.920 way she's talking to Olivia about how she's gonna get 2:07:19.000 --> 2:07:21.680 some over the holiday and she's not going to fin 2:07:22.400 --> 2:07:25.120 Maybe it's also just some good old fashioned flirting, like 2:07:25.240 --> 2:07:27.360 maybe it's like I'm married, you know, you got a 2:07:27.400 --> 2:07:29.760 girlfriend or something, but let's just have some fun at 2:07:29.800 --> 2:07:31.360 this Morgue Christmas party. 2:07:32.280 --> 2:07:34.600 I also learned that I have a goal, and my 2:07:34.680 --> 2:07:37.240 goal is I want to work so much hopefully that 2:07:37.440 --> 2:07:41.480 I don't remember that I just yeah, I'm like, wait, what. 2:07:41.600 --> 2:07:44.240 Year was this? That would be impossible for you, though, 2:07:44.320 --> 2:07:46.880 Like you just have such a good memory. You'd be like, no, 2:07:47.000 --> 2:07:49.120 remember on day four of shooting when we ate this 2:07:49.400 --> 2:07:51.600 at that, Like, you just like have such a good 2:07:51.640 --> 2:07:55.040 memory for everything. And I think that there's no way 2:07:55.120 --> 2:07:57.200 that you'll work so much that you'll forget stuff. You're 2:07:57.280 --> 2:07:59.000 just gonna always just be that girl. 2:07:59.240 --> 2:08:01.960 I actually brought up a show that I worked on 2:08:02.120 --> 2:08:04.280 someone with and we're still all young, but I was like, oh, 2:08:04.320 --> 2:08:06.360 remember we did that game show and they had no recollection. 2:08:06.400 --> 2:08:08.680 They're like, can you tell me about this gig? And 2:08:08.840 --> 2:08:12.400 they did multiple episodes with no recollection at all. That 2:08:12.480 --> 2:08:15.000 seems cool. Maybe one day I would love to just 2:08:15.120 --> 2:08:17.000 mix it up and be like, wait, was that on 2:08:17.240 --> 2:08:18.440 SVU or Original? 2:08:18.640 --> 2:08:20.920 I know to do so much Dick Wolls that you're like, 2:08:21.200 --> 2:08:25.520 was I on Chicago Med or was that criminal Intent? 2:08:26.200 --> 2:08:27.840 And then of course I told him the one theater 2:08:27.960 --> 2:08:29.640 he doesn't work in Chicago. I was like, oh, of 2:08:29.720 --> 2:08:32.880 course Stepan, Well, of course the one he probably liked. 2:08:32.920 --> 2:08:34.840 And then you said what about this bar? And he's 2:08:34.880 --> 2:08:35.720 like everywhere but that. 2:08:39.080 --> 2:08:43.760 He was like, why can't we connect? No, Northwestern to 2:08:44.000 --> 2:08:46.440 me is like I don't know a lot. 2:08:46.520 --> 2:08:47.000 I like it. 2:08:47.240 --> 2:08:49.080 I like the idea of it because I bet. 2:08:49.000 --> 2:08:52.120 Those people could have gotten into more traditional IVY League 2:08:52.200 --> 2:08:54.040 quote unquote fancier places. 2:08:54.560 --> 2:08:55.800 The Northwestern is fancy. 2:08:55.880 --> 2:08:59.920 There's just something about choosing the Midwest being a while 2:09:00.200 --> 2:09:01.440 cat that I just respect. 2:09:02.080 --> 2:09:04.840 And when I was growing up, like my town was 2:09:05.000 --> 2:09:07.800 very obsessed with IVS and like that whole college thing, 2:09:07.840 --> 2:09:10.480 but Northwestern was like right there, like you might as 2:09:10.520 --> 2:09:13.320 well have been going too. It was so so impressive 2:09:13.360 --> 2:09:13.760 to get into. 2:09:13.960 --> 2:09:14.400 Oh it's tough. 2:09:14.480 --> 2:09:17.600 I didn't even apply. Really, yeah, no, I wouldn't have 2:09:17.600 --> 2:09:18.560 gotten into Northwestern. 2:09:18.760 --> 2:09:21.840 I mean I always think about if I didn't drop 2:09:21.920 --> 2:09:25.080 out of Iowa State and like finished with my degree 2:09:25.160 --> 2:09:27.280 in ames Iowa, what my life would be like and 2:09:27.360 --> 2:09:31.680 like worked at the call center, Like I just life 2:09:31.720 --> 2:09:35.160 goes so many ways, But I do wonder if I 2:09:35.200 --> 2:09:38.920 would have ever figured out my heart or given up 2:09:38.960 --> 2:09:39.520 on my dreams? 2:09:39.560 --> 2:09:41.360 Who knows, I don't know. Who knows. 2:09:41.520 --> 2:09:44.320 Why can't we just have a sliding doors technology? Like, 2:09:44.400 --> 2:09:46.000 why can't they figure that out for us? 2:09:46.200 --> 2:09:46.600 We want to. 2:09:46.760 --> 2:09:48.240 I want to see what my life would have been 2:09:48.320 --> 2:09:49.760 like if I graduated from Iowa. 2:09:51.120 --> 2:09:54.080 Well, I'm glad that you chose this path and you 2:09:54.160 --> 2:09:55.680 were able to tell me about a man getting a 2:09:55.680 --> 2:09:57.040 crucifix ram down his throat. 2:09:57.480 --> 2:09:59.320 Thank you. That's all I care about. 2:09:59.600 --> 2:10:02.640 Yeah, anyone is artistic that listens, and you want to 2:10:02.640 --> 2:10:05.440 give us a recreational drawing that we can hang out. 2:10:05.480 --> 2:10:06.000 I want it. 2:10:06.200 --> 2:10:09.000 I want it. You want fan art of a death 2:10:09.080 --> 2:10:10.680 bikers a fix throat? 2:10:10.840 --> 2:10:13.839 Yeah, maybe I can be a little angel saint flying watching. 2:10:14.000 --> 2:10:16.920 I don't know how talented you are out there, but 2:10:17.840 --> 2:10:19.600 you know, send it, send it over, send it over 2:10:19.720 --> 2:10:20.760 pds to get. 2:10:20.640 --> 2:10:22.560 Some whack ass fan art. I can't wait. 2:10:22.840 --> 2:10:25.160 That's actually what I Yeah, we want fan art, bitches, 2:10:25.360 --> 2:10:29.680 get us fan art. We want fan art, and we 2:10:29.720 --> 2:10:32.880 would love to touch on this. You know you had 2:10:32.920 --> 2:10:35.000 to wait a week, you know, time machine stuff. But 2:10:35.240 --> 2:10:38.560 a dugger, A dugger is in jail, finally sentenced Josh 2:10:38.680 --> 2:10:43.280 Duggar found guilty of possessing and downloading child pornography. 2:10:43.400 --> 2:10:46.160 Do you know how much you got? I don't know. 2:10:46.200 --> 2:10:48.160 I don't know what his sentence is yet, but he's 2:10:48.200 --> 2:10:52.280 been found guilty, and he's been found guilty in federal 2:10:52.360 --> 2:10:56.080 court of you know, his possession of child's sex. 2:10:56.360 --> 2:11:00.200 Okay, eighteen minutes ago, Jim, Bob and Michelle break their silent. 2:11:01.680 --> 2:11:03.240 Oh, they actually didn't do the worst thing. 2:11:03.440 --> 2:11:05.520 Hearts and prayers to anyone who has been harmed through 2:11:05.600 --> 2:11:07.480 sexual child abuse material. 2:11:08.040 --> 2:11:12.120 It's interesting that they know the correct wording. They have 2:11:12.280 --> 2:11:14.720 some kind of pr someone from TLC is helping them. 2:11:14.920 --> 2:11:19.480 The fact that they use child abuse images. I am like, yeah, 2:11:19.600 --> 2:11:22.840 kind of impressed with the Duggers for a moment because 2:11:22.880 --> 2:11:23.920 he was trying to claim. 2:11:24.000 --> 2:11:25.760 One of our listeners wrote us in and had like 2:11:25.840 --> 2:11:28.080 kind of a personal connection to a witness in this 2:11:28.280 --> 2:11:32.160 case and said he was trying to claim that like 2:11:32.680 --> 2:11:35.360 other people had access to his computer and that those 2:11:35.400 --> 2:11:37.720 were the people with the images, and it was like, Okay, dog, 2:11:37.840 --> 2:11:39.360 that's not really Oh no. 2:11:40.160 --> 2:11:45.160 His wife, Josh's wife Anna, just welcomed their seventh child 2:11:45.480 --> 2:11:45.760 in the f. 2:11:45.960 --> 2:11:50.320 You know what's wild. Her name is Madison. Your husband 2:11:50.360 --> 2:11:53.160 got busted on Ashley Madison. Why would you name your 2:11:53.240 --> 2:11:56.880 kid Madison? Oh my god, I thought you were saying 2:11:56.920 --> 2:11:59.480 her name. I go no, it says Anna, No, no, no, 2:11:59.600 --> 2:12:02.600 the baby, the baby's name. And I can't take credit 2:12:02.640 --> 2:12:04.320 for that. That was a listener that Drew that brought 2:12:04.360 --> 2:12:05.800 that to our attention and was like, don't you think 2:12:05.800 --> 2:12:06.280 it's crazy? 2:12:06.320 --> 2:12:08.120 And I was like, yes, that is crazy. 2:12:09.120 --> 2:12:11.640 As parents, we will never stop praying for Joshua and 2:12:11.760 --> 2:12:13.760 loving him as we do all our children. In each 2:12:13.800 --> 2:12:18.000 of life's circumstances, we place trust in God, strength, refuge, prayers. Okay, 2:12:19.040 --> 2:12:22.680 I mean I don't know, but I'm glad he's found guilty. 2:12:23.360 --> 2:12:26.480 I like when people are found guilty of crimes they've committed, 2:12:26.600 --> 2:12:30.360 you know. And in our Kyle Rittenhouse world we live in, 2:12:30.520 --> 2:12:33.720 we never fucking know what's gonna happen. Our judicial system 2:12:33.920 --> 2:12:37.360 is a joke so much that nice to just hear 2:12:37.880 --> 2:12:38.800 someone getting caught. 2:12:39.360 --> 2:12:42.520 And now we talked about him in we talked about 2:12:42.520 --> 2:12:46.040 the Duggers in our episode Patrimonial Burden, but then we 2:12:46.160 --> 2:12:49.640 also talked about child sex abuse images in Downloaded childs. 2:12:49.760 --> 2:12:52.080 So some people were saying they hope that he has 2:12:52.160 --> 2:12:54.400 to give some restitution to the victims. 2:12:54.040 --> 2:12:57.760 Of his you know, the people that are in the images. Wow, 2:12:57.840 --> 2:13:01.320 we have such smart listeners. Yeah, all right, well let's 2:13:01.480 --> 2:13:03.760 ease into our what would sister peg do? 2:13:03.920 --> 2:13:04.160 Girl? 2:13:04.320 --> 2:13:05.200 What do you got for us? 2:13:05.920 --> 2:13:08.480 Every week we give you a you know, an organization, 2:13:08.640 --> 2:13:11.000 a book, an article, something that will give you some 2:13:11.040 --> 2:13:13.240 more information on the topic that we touched on in 2:13:13.320 --> 2:13:14.040 today's episode. 2:13:14.080 --> 2:13:16.680 And I wanted this week to highlight Honestly. 2:13:16.440 --> 2:13:20.000 I first heard about this this organization through a joke 2:13:20.040 --> 2:13:23.040 that my husband does on his album. But it is 2:13:23.160 --> 2:13:28.040 an actual, very important organization. It's called the Survivor's Network 2:13:28.080 --> 2:13:31.080 of Those Abused by Priests and it's SNAP and so 2:13:31.200 --> 2:13:36.360 the website is www dot snapnetwork dot org and it's 2:13:36.400 --> 2:13:39.440 the oldest, largest and most active support group for women 2:13:39.640 --> 2:13:45.440 and men wounded by religious and institutional authorities. That's priests, ministers, bishops, deacons, nuns, coaches, 2:13:45.520 --> 2:13:49.520 teachers like. It's very inclusive and their goal is to 2:13:49.720 --> 2:13:53.520 provide support to survivors through their hotline and to advocate 2:13:53.600 --> 2:13:56.000 for a reform of statute of limitation laws that limit 2:13:56.360 --> 2:14:00.560 criminal prosecution and civil responsibilities for these users. 2:14:01.080 --> 2:14:02.480 So again, Yeah. 2:14:02.480 --> 2:14:04.640 If you want to learn more, check out www dot 2:14:04.720 --> 2:14:07.480 dot Snapnetwork dot org and that will be up on 2:14:07.600 --> 2:14:10.920 our Instagram stories in our WWSPD highlight. 2:14:11.640 --> 2:14:16.760 Yes, thanks Kara. And then for next week, we're doing 2:14:16.840 --> 2:14:22.560 Hell's Kitchen. That's a season twenty episode eight, great episode. 2:14:22.720 --> 2:14:26.160 Watch on Hulu peacock. You can rent stuff from your library. 2:14:26.800 --> 2:14:29.440 Go to a friend's last episode, last episode of twenty 2:14:29.480 --> 2:14:29.840 twenty one. 2:14:29.880 --> 2:14:34.080 Baby, We'll be Hell's Kitchen. Yeah, amazing. 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