WEBVTT - How the Titanic Worked: Part Two 0:00:01.480 --> 0:00:04.280 Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of I 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:13.320 Heart Radio. Hey, I'm welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, 0:00:13.360 --> 0:00:16.079 and there's Chuck and there's Jerry over there, and this 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:21.280 is Stuff you should Know. Titanic Edition, Part two, this sequel. 0:00:22.720 --> 0:00:27.160 When we last left off, the Titanic had just set sail. Yeah, 0:00:27.280 --> 0:00:28.960 it was you you. I'd like to say it was 0:00:29.000 --> 0:00:32.000 in fine shape, but it had almost sucked another ship 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:34.159 into it, and it had a coal fire aboard. But 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:36.840 other than that, it was doing just fine. I wonder 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:39.560 if the captain, after they averted hitting the New York 0:00:39.640 --> 0:00:42.159 was like, did you see those guys? They were totally 0:00:42.560 --> 0:00:45.599 pooping in their pants? Yeah, give them, give me another too, 0:00:46.360 --> 0:00:50.159 don't mess with me. So, uh yeah, I don't have 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:51.920 the impression that the captain, I don't know if we 0:00:52.000 --> 0:00:55.520 said his name or not yet, Edward Smith, um his name. 0:00:55.680 --> 0:00:58.360 I don't know that he what he certainly doesn't in 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:04.399 retrospect have a uh sterling reputation. No, no, I was 0:01:04.400 --> 0:01:07.759 gonna say, he doesn't have a reputation that is um 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:10.800 like that of a maverick necessarily, like I think, have 0:01:10.800 --> 0:01:14.880 a sterling reputation at least exactly like he was. I 0:01:14.920 --> 0:01:17.920 saw in a I think a PBS documentary that that 0:01:18.480 --> 0:01:21.280 like captains like this at the time were likened to 0:01:21.800 --> 0:01:25.960 rock stars of today, like they had their own fans, 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:28.400 and like it was a like you knew what captain 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:30.160 you were sailing with, and it was a big deal. 0:01:30.240 --> 0:01:32.800 And he was one of the most famous and well 0:01:33.200 --> 0:01:37.560 well respected, if not revered as far as the captains go. 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:44.960 But over time, yeah, exactly like stooping. But over time, um, 0:01:45.040 --> 0:01:47.680 because of like the inquiries and the desire to place 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:51.760 blame and define like simple answers and compartmentalize everything, he's 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:56.840 been um kind of painted with inaccurate brush that loses 0:01:56.840 --> 0:01:58.680 a lot of nuance. And one of the ways that 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:01.880 he has been missle able that makes him seem like 0:02:01.920 --> 0:02:05.400 a maverick is that he was going full speed ahead, 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:09.280 trying to break speed records, wanted to get there as 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:12.600 fast as possible to show up those Kunard jerks, And 0:02:12.680 --> 0:02:15.320 that seems to just be not the case at all. 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:18.200 And in fact, yes, the Titanic was going very fast. 0:02:18.639 --> 0:02:22.680 But according to a m an Irish journalist who has 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:25.440 done a lot of research on this UH scene in 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:30.360 Maloney I believe is their name, UH they were going 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:32.480 that fast because they were trying to they were having 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:36.280 to use up more coal to keep that fire from spreading, 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:38.840 and that he didn't really have that much of a 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:41.880 say in how fast the thing was going because they 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:44.640 had to keep the coal fire under control. I'd like 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:48.720 to slow down. Are we still on fire? Or we 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:51.679 can't slow down there? But that really kind of goes 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:54.840 to show you. It's like like really teaches you, like, oh, yeah, 0:02:54.919 --> 0:02:57.720 we've lost a lot of like the details here, or 0:02:57.800 --> 0:03:00.760 I shouldn't say that. Pop Cole sure has lost a 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:03.160 lot of the details. There are plenty of people out 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:05.680 there who know details like that. Those are the people 0:03:05.760 --> 0:03:07.960 you should listen to. Those are the people who we 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:10.800 listened to. So you can feel pretty comfortable listening to 0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:13.760 us for the last episode in this one. Let's begin 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:20.040 now to alright, so fast forward from April eleven, when 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:23.120 it sets sail to April fourteen. We all know what 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:26.800 happens over those three days. There's some steamy love making 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:29.560 in the back of a car in the cargo hold, 0:03:29.840 --> 0:03:34.239 drawing me like one of your French girls. Wasn't that 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:42.560 a good Kate Winslett, Yeah, I thought you were doing 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:46.680 Leo either one would have been funny. Okay, there's room 0:03:46.720 --> 0:03:52.720 for me on that door. That was Leo. Yeah, and 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:56.920 she said no, there's not. Oh man, we lost a 0:03:56.960 --> 0:04:00.240 bunch of listeners. No, no, it shook. I mean, can 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:02.600 you joke about that? So it is the night of 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:05.840 April fourteenth, twelve. This is the third day out. It 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:09.600 is very cold. The water is about twenty degrees fahrenheit 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:14.320 uh negative two point to celsius. And around noon that 0:04:14.440 --> 0:04:18.200 day some things started happening. They had this really cool 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:22.839 modern Marconi wireless system where they could receive messages wirelessly, 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:27.279 and the operators on board started receiving the first of 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:30.800 at least what would be for messages about ice and 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:34.080 like a big, big ice that's in the water. A 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:36.600 second one comes in at five thirty five from an 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:41.359 actual ship that said, hey, icebergs nineteen miles north of 0:04:41.560 --> 0:04:45.200 from right, you're headed right toward towards these ice bergs, 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:48.479 and you know what they say, like they don't look 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:52.040 big on top, but there could be serious trouble underneath. 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:55.800 They really fill out under water. I don't think that's 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:59.839 the thing. Uh. In about an hour before the collision, 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:06.719 pm UH, the Californian which was a nearby vessel, said hey, 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:10.120 we're stopped. We're surrounded by ice, and the operator on 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:14.440 the Titanic said, literally, shut up, I am busy. I'm 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:19.440 working Cape Race, which apparently was a relay station in Newfoundland, 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:23.000 and they were busy sending out messages for the passengers. Yeah, 0:05:23.040 --> 0:05:26.320 the passengers could pace about sixty five bucks to send 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:29.440 a Marconi Graham to basically show off to their friends 0:05:29.440 --> 0:05:32.800 and family back home that they were setting slow from 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:35.320 the middle of the ocean. Yeah, because the postcard they 0:05:35.320 --> 0:05:37.599 sent was just in the mail room aboard the same 0:05:37.600 --> 0:05:40.880 ship at the same time as them. This this Marconi 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:44.760 graham could go out immediately. So the first class passengers 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:47.960 were sending out little hellos to the tune of about 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:50.400 two d and fifty of them, I believe, just that day. 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:54.919 So the Marconi operators were very much overworked, which is 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:57.000 why he told the other one to shut up. Apparently 0:05:57.040 --> 0:06:01.320 said it twice, said shut up, shut up, exclamation points too. 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:04.560 So two hundred and fifty first class passengers sent us 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:07.320 just that day. It's like there were only three hundred 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:09.160 and something first class aboard, so that was most of 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:12.040 the first class. Yeah, well, hopefully there wasn't just like 0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:14.440 some obnoxious one that had sent out like ten or 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:19.440 twelve but who knows, right, he was like, or send 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:27.360 another marcornograph about Picasso. Yeah, so um he uh he, 0:06:27.720 --> 0:06:30.200 I was just thinking of Billy's ain again. Um, the 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:34.720 Marconi operators like the presence of this, this Marconi wireless 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:39.080 thing on board was just as cutting edges technology got 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:41.640 at the time. It was a text. Basically, there were 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:46.159 so few ships that had wireless aboard that it was 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:48.600 just it was just nuts, which is why so many 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:52.640 people were sending Marconi grams to show off. But at 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:55.279 the same time, the fact that there were these wireless 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:58.440 radios on some ships, including ships that were in the area, 0:06:59.040 --> 0:07:02.320 means that the Titanic did have warning that there was 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:05.600 an ice flow like in between them in New York, 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:08.320 and they started, you know, like you were saying, they 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:12.720 were receiving warnings about the icebergs and ice flows. And 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:17.240 again Captain Smith is depicted as having ignored this and 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:21.680 just heedlessly headed on full steam ahead into an ice field, 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:24.200 even though he had been warned against it. And from 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:28.280 what I saw, um, this is again a mischaracterization because 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:33.760 he didn't receive any warnings that that would warrant slowing 0:07:33.800 --> 0:07:36.920 down or changing course or anything like that. He knew 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:39.320 that there are icebergs. It's just kind of like if 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:42.040 somebody was saying, there's an iceberg twenty miles ahead of 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:46.360 your your projected course, you know, heads up, he'd be like, okay, 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:49.120 good to know, but that wouldn't require you to do 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:52.920 anything about it. But there was one, the very faithful 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:55.280 one that really may have sealed the fate of everybody 0:07:55.280 --> 0:07:59.040 aboard the Titanic. And that was that last one that 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:01.840 um came in at eleven forty that said we're stopped 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:05.160 and surrounded by ice That apparently did not make it 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:09.560 to the captain as far as I know. Yeah, so 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:14.320 like the deal, You're right, the deal was is is. 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:18.920 Icebergs were very common. It wasn't like, oh my god, 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:22.600 there are icebergs, we gotta stop everybody like they were 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:25.680 used to dealing with icebergs. It was just a heads up. 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:28.720 And that that last one may have been a big 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:33.600 difference maker. Right, So, um, they knew that they are icebergs, um, 0:08:34.360 --> 0:08:36.320 but there was nothing to be worried about as far 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:39.520 as they could tell. Uh. And when when Captain Smith 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:44.120 handed over command of the ship for the night to um. 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:49.360 I think, uh, Charles second officer, Charles Lightholer. So when 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:52.000 he handed it over Lightholer he said, hey, um, if 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:55.040 conditions become hazy, let me know and we'll you know, 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:59.000 we'll slow down, but until then, full speed ahead. And 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:01.680 it turns out that the night of April fourteenth, nine twelve, 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:05.520 in the area of the North Atlantic was incredibly calm. 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:09.840 The sea was like glass. Um, it wasn't hazy at all. 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:12.880 It was totally clear, and there was no moon and 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:16.480 lots of stars, so they couldn't see very far because 0:09:16.520 --> 0:09:20.760 there wasn't much light. They didn't have binoculars in the lookout. Um. 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:23.880 But also because the sea was calm, there were no 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:28.880 waves to um give out any telltale characteristics of breaking 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:32.840 against iceberg's. It was just nothing but clear water everywhere 0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:35.240 they could see. So there was not a lot of 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:38.880 chance of them spotting icebergs under the conditions that they 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:41.959 were dealing with. So, speaking of the moon, did you 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:44.000 ever hear that theory about how the moon could have 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:47.480 impacted the fact that the iceberg was where it was? 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:52.840 There was apparently on January four, a few months before 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:57.240 the Titanic. The Moon made its closest approach to Earth 0:09:57.240 --> 0:10:01.200 in about four hundred years, which a so coincided within 0:10:01.320 --> 0:10:04.400 six minutes of a spring tide, which is the semi 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:06.560 monthly alignment of the Sun and the Moon with the Earth. 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:10.640 And basically all of this ends up in especially high 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:15.480 tides entitle currents, and this was a really big year 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:18.280 for icebergs. There were about double the amount of icebergs 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:22.319 than average. And what usually happens is when they kind 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:26.000 of calve off from where they start, they end up 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:28.760 getting kind of hung up um when it gets into 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:31.719 sort of shallower lanes, and that almost always happens. It 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:34.120 kind of keeps them in place. But because of this 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:38.319 strong spring tide, it may have like sent more icebergs 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:42.240 out to see than normal. That's nuts, man. Yeah, And 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:44.120 you know, again it's one of these things that other 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:47.520 people are like, you know, everyone's trying to find these 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:50.920 retroactive things to blame. But I think it all kind 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:53.280 of adds up when you start looking at sort of 0:10:53.280 --> 0:10:56.600 the sliding doors theory of of fate, that it all 0:10:56.679 --> 0:10:59.520 sort of ended up impacting what happened that night. Yeah, 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:01.600 and I think it's another reason why people are so 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:04.600 engrossed by it because again, it's like it just seems 0:11:04.640 --> 0:11:09.280 almost preordained. Yeah, and that is very often traced back 0:11:09.320 --> 0:11:13.880 to this hubris that um kind of infested the whole 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:17.679 origin and an idea of the Titanic, um that it 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:20.400 was unsinkable and that it was just the biggest thing 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:22.280 ever made. We're going to send it out as fast 0:11:22.320 --> 0:11:25.480 as we want. Um. That that is that that just 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:29.800 seems like they were sailing into fate just from those things. 0:11:29.840 --> 0:11:32.960 You know. Yeah, I mean it's it is like a 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:35.880 Hollywood script or something, but you know, it really happened. 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:38.000 I know, somebody should make a movie out of him, 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:45.479 so and get someone else to write it. Um oh Man. 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:49.480 Eight hours long, Frederick Fleet and Reginald Lee were in 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:52.000 the crow's nest, and I think Fleet is the one 0:11:52.040 --> 0:11:55.840 that later said that binoculars could have really helped, because 0:11:55.840 --> 0:11:58.200 Fleet was the one who was close to the end 0:11:58.200 --> 0:12:01.600 of the shift when he saw this iceberg. He sounds 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:04.920 an alarm down to the bridge and First Officer William 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:08.600 Murdoch was up there in about thirty seven seconds said 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:12.120 stop the engines, go full speed astern, which was very 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:14.720 common maneuver to sort of try and dodge something if 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:17.840 you're in a big ship like that. And you know 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:21.320 this again in retrospect, this was not a great idea. 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:25.320 Uh they Some people posit that if it had just 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:28.840 gone straight and hit this thing head on, it might 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:31.720 not have sunk, but it ended up turning just enough 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:35.080 to hit a very and especially when you factor in 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:39.120 that fire, if that actually was a thing that weakened it, 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:43.200 it hit the whole at a very vulnerable spot, possibly 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:46.280 it's most vulnerable spot because of that fire. But also 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:48.679 even had that fire not been there, it was like 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:53.640 that was the Achilles heel of the the Titanic that area. 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:57.840 And you know, it's tough to to fault Murdoch for, 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:00.560 you know, trying to spin away for it, but it 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:03.560 was it was well, it isn't except or it was 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:08.920 an accepted technique to also just ram Iceberg head on um. 0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:11.840 But the reason Murdoch chose, probably why he chose not 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:14.400 to do that, was because if you did that head on, 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:19.120 you're gonna send everything and everybody lurching forward, because it's 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:23.400 a head on collision. Um. When you side swipe something, 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:27.079 that's much less jarring. And in fact, the passengers who 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:31.080 did survive. The Titanic later said that there was a 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:34.960 slight jar when this thing hit the iceberg. Um so 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:37.440 much so that I think a passenger said, had he 0:13:37.480 --> 0:13:40.199 been holding a full glass of water, not a drop 0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:43.200 would have been spilled. So he did it I think 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:45.720 out of instinct, because nobody wants to hit anything head on. 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:48.240 But I think he also did it to spare the 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:51.679 passengers and the crew and the cargo being jostled and 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:54.360 jarred as rudely as they would have been had they 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:56.839 hit it head on. Yeah. And this is where those 0:13:56.920 --> 0:14:01.520 rivets come into play as well, because it is theorized 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:04.520 that because those rivets didn't hold like they should, uh, 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:07.800 it ended up buckling the ship right there. And apparently 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:10.920 it's that buckling that really sort of uh put the 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:14.680 nail in the coffin for the Titanic. Yeah, like it 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:17.520 might have survived the gouges had it not been for 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:21.760 the buckling. Apparently. Yeah. Um so the I guess the 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:24.960 buckling kind of pulled the rivets or the seams apart, 0:14:25.160 --> 0:14:27.320 and that allowed the water in. Is that the idea 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:30.600 behind it? I think so, because you know they started Murdoch, 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:33.000 you know, said let's get all these watertight door shut, 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:36.920 which was a really really great move, but it was 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:39.560 too late and they were there were five of them 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:43.240 that were filling up. They originally thought. You know, Captain 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:44.640 Smith was like, there, you know, there must be a 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:47.640 three foot hole in this thing. Uh. And I saw 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:50.040 a couple of different numbers. This article from how Stuff 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:54.360 Works says three point two square feet for these six 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:59.880 slim lacerations on the boat, I saw about twelve square feet. Yeah, 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:03.000 I mean I saw I like into about two sidewalk squares. Um, 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:06.600 like that took down the titan Now can you imagine? 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:09.200 And that nuts Like of course you would think Captain 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:10.960 Smith would be like, it's got to be a three 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:13.920 ft gash just to have that kind of water, And 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:15.880 he wouldn't know. It's not like he could see, like 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:21.040 this was beneath the water. It struck the iceberg underwater. Um, 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:23.600 so it was just an estimate. But yeah, now we 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:27.280 know from from going down and looking at the Titanic, uh, 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:30.840 using sonar, just how small they were. So just a 0:15:30.880 --> 0:15:34.280 couple of sidewalk squares. Huh. Yeah. And you know, the 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:37.600 the really brutal part is Andrew's kind of just like 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:40.320 in the movie Victor Garber. Once he got worded that 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:43.920 there were five of those cavities filling up with water, 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:47.960 he was like, that's it, man, Like we could have 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:51.040 survived four. But and I know it doesn't seem like 0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:53.480 it right now, but this ship is going to go down. Yeah. 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:55.520 So I mean, you remember, I think in the first 0:15:55.520 --> 0:15:57.880 one we said that the thing was designed to be 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:01.680 just fine with two and that four it could probably 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:05.520 make it, but five was the magic number. With five, 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:07.440 it was like, this is this is not going to 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:11.320 end well at all. And even with four compartments full 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:15.400 and sealed off, there's a good possibility that the Titanic 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:19.280 would have sunk, but it might have taken so long 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:23.440 to sink that all of the everybody aboard would have 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:27.640 easily made their way off. But that five, that fifth 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:32.880 compartment was just it was just terrible, um because not 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:36.320 only was the Titanic doom to sink, it was doomed 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:39.800 to sink very very fast. I think Andrew's estimated two 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:44.160 hours basically when he found out how many compartments were filling. Yeah, 0:16:44.200 --> 0:16:46.680 it was really the speed. And if you're saying to yourself, 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:48.440 but Josh, how can you say that when they were 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:52.600 short lifeboats. As we'll see, there were other ships nearby 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:56.280 that that that likely would have gotten there quicker, or 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:59.360 not gotten there quicker, but gotten there quick enough had 0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:03.960 it sunk lower to get people off of that thing. Yeah, um, 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:07.480 take a break, Yeah, I think so I could use one, buddy. 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:10.879 All right, let's take a break and we'll talk about 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:13.879 what happened after that chunk of ice fell near Caton 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:48.960 Leo right after this. So, um, when when Thomas Andrews 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:51.240 explained to Captain Smith, like, this is going down and 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:55.000 it's going to happen in about two hours. Um, Smith 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:58.320 basically gathered his crew and said, hey, this is you know, 0:17:58.440 --> 0:18:00.679 the ship is sinking. We need to get everybody to 0:18:00.760 --> 0:18:05.719 the lifeboats. Um. He started, he started lowering the lifeboats. 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:08.879 But apparently, from from what I've read aboard the Titanic, 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:12.160 you wouldn't have known that that the ship was sinking 0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:17.360 based on the activity and the behavior of everyone aboard. Yeah, 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:21.000 most people were kind of going about like their business, 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:25.800 hanging out in the lounge, still sleeping, Um, getting ready 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:29.000 to go to bed. Because this is I think around 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:31.919 eleven or so when when it struck the iceberg, and 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:34.199 like I said, it was such a faint jar that 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:36.720 I think people couldn't believe that the Titanic would be 0:18:36.760 --> 0:18:40.200 taken down by something that only produced that that faint 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:43.040 of a jar um. And so a lot of people 0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:46.840 just kind of acted like nothing was wrong. Yeah, I mean, 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:50.480 crew included, I think it was. I think when the 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:54.280 message went out from the captain, there was a lot 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:58.400 of disbelief all the way around, right like, surely if 0:18:58.440 --> 0:19:01.040 we hit an iceberg bad enough to sink it, we 0:19:01.119 --> 0:19:04.159 would it would be you know, it would be evident, 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:07.400 like just standing here like, but that's just not the case. 0:19:07.400 --> 0:19:10.679 And you know, because it was so large, uh you know, 0:19:10.840 --> 0:19:12.920 like you said, you wouldn't even spill a glass of water. 0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:15.359 So no one except Leo and Kate they saw that 0:19:15.480 --> 0:19:20.159 chunk of ice fall. Yeah, oh yeah, they I forgot. 0:19:20.160 --> 0:19:22.439 They were witnesses to it. They knew what was going on. 0:19:22.520 --> 0:19:24.720 I forgot about that. Yeah, they were out there, King 0:19:24.720 --> 0:19:28.960 and Queen of the world. All right, So ulf the 0:19:29.000 --> 0:19:32.879 captain is sending out messages and I mentioned that ship nearby. 0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:36.600 There were a couple but the Carpathia was a Cunard 0:19:36.880 --> 0:19:39.960 Line steamer, and they were like, oh, you need help, 0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:45.520 do you back. No, they acted fast, of course, but 0:19:45.560 --> 0:19:48.760 they were about fifty eight miles away and they knew. 0:19:48.800 --> 0:19:51.159 They're like, there's no way we can get there in time. No, 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:53.359 especially not if it's going to sink in a couple 0:19:53.440 --> 0:19:55.960 of hours. But again, had you know, even just the 0:19:56.200 --> 0:19:59.960 only four compartments not flooded, the Carpathia probably could have 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:03.119 made it there in plenty of time. But there was actually, 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:06.600 Chuck another ship, though, the Californian, that was closer to 0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:10.800 the Titanic, and as we'll see in the inquiry that followed, 0:20:11.560 --> 0:20:16.159 it's basically the Carpathia hero California villain. The Californian was 0:20:16.400 --> 0:20:21.280 um accused of basically refusing to render aid, and that 0:20:21.440 --> 0:20:25.000 just wasn't the case. Um, there was a mystery ship 0:20:25.440 --> 0:20:28.159 that very much did refuse to render aid and just 0:20:28.200 --> 0:20:32.520 pretended like it didn't see what was going on. But yeah, 0:20:32.800 --> 0:20:35.879 it was actually a ship called the Mount Temple that 0:20:36.000 --> 0:20:40.160 was keptain by a man named James Moore, Captain James Moore. 0:20:40.840 --> 0:20:44.560 That was I believe, within ten miles of the Titanic 0:20:44.640 --> 0:20:49.600 the entire time that some passengers and crew uh later 0:20:49.640 --> 0:20:51.919 said they could see the lights, they could hear the 0:20:52.000 --> 0:20:54.520 lifeboats being lowered. They could hear the cries of people 0:20:54.600 --> 0:20:59.280 in the in the water, and that survivors said they 0:20:59.359 --> 0:21:01.520 saw another ship. They there was close enough that they 0:21:01.520 --> 0:21:04.680 could see some of the porthole lights, like that's how 0:21:04.720 --> 0:21:07.280 close it was, and that it just sat there, wouldn't 0:21:07.320 --> 0:21:10.680 come And it was because the captain made the decision 0:21:10.720 --> 0:21:13.040 that that he wasn't gonna risk go anyto the ice 0:21:13.240 --> 0:21:16.360 ice flows. Well, he also didn't come forward and say, yeah, 0:21:16.440 --> 0:21:20.440 that was me. He let um the captain of the Californian, 0:21:20.520 --> 0:21:24.560 Stanley Lord take the take the blame. And Stanley Lord 0:21:24.600 --> 0:21:28.120 went to his grave basically a disgraced captain, even though 0:21:28.720 --> 0:21:32.120 he would be vindicated when they finally found the Titanic 0:21:32.160 --> 0:21:35.160 and said, oh wait, you were way far away. And 0:21:35.200 --> 0:21:38.040 also more to the point, you didn't realize that the 0:21:38.119 --> 0:21:42.320 Titanic was in distress. So history has rehabilitated a lot 0:21:42.359 --> 0:21:45.520 of people. But at the time, and for many many years, 0:21:46.359 --> 0:21:48.440 you know, we like simple stories where there's a hero 0:21:48.520 --> 0:21:50.879 and a villain, and the Carpathio was the hero in 0:21:50.960 --> 0:21:55.399 the Californian was the villain. That's right, good story, I 0:21:55.440 --> 0:21:59.240 think so too. So they're giving out these life jackets, uh, 0:21:59.520 --> 0:22:04.160 made of or plenty of those, and they I think 0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:08.600 there was room for eleven seventy six passengers on lifeboats 0:22:08.640 --> 0:22:11.879 if they're all full. Uh. There were about two d 0:22:12.240 --> 0:22:16.920 and change of passengers and crew aboard. So at am, 0:22:17.000 --> 0:22:20.400 the captain says, start lowering these things. Let's get those 0:22:20.400 --> 0:22:23.879 first class passengers in there first. I think there were 0:22:23.960 --> 0:22:26.200 fourteen of the lifeboats, were the big daddies that could 0:22:26.240 --> 0:22:30.280 carry sixty five people. Uh. There were I think two 0:22:30.600 --> 0:22:33.640 emergency ones that could carry thirty five each, and then 0:22:33.720 --> 0:22:37.119 four collapsible boats that could carry forty nine people each. 0:22:38.080 --> 0:22:42.320 And uh, I see different numbers bandied about, but supposedly 0:22:42.359 --> 0:22:45.880 that first lifeboat uh, and maybe the first few were 0:22:45.920 --> 0:22:47.640 not full. And I think that first one only had 0:22:47.680 --> 0:22:52.640 anywhere from five to eight people out of sixty five. Yeah, 0:22:52.760 --> 0:22:55.080 mostly because there are a lot of people aboard who 0:22:55.080 --> 0:22:57.920 were like, I don't believe the Titanic is sinking, and 0:22:58.280 --> 0:23:01.639 that getting in that life seems way more dangerous to 0:23:01.680 --> 0:23:04.840 me than staying more than nice, warm, toasty Titanic where 0:23:04.840 --> 0:23:08.440 there's lots of brandy to be had. Um. And that's 0:23:08.440 --> 0:23:10.720 why some of those first lifeboats, That's what I was 0:23:10.760 --> 0:23:15.080 saying like it was apparently eerily calm and quiet and 0:23:15.480 --> 0:23:19.560 not at all chaotic. And then when it finally became 0:23:19.600 --> 0:23:23.040 apparent that, yeah, the ship was sinking and no, there's 0:23:23.040 --> 0:23:26.480 not enough lifeboats to save everybody, that's when it became 0:23:26.840 --> 0:23:30.520 rather chaotic. And then suddenly people were not only getting 0:23:30.520 --> 0:23:33.800 into lifeboats until the capacity was full, they were like 0:23:34.160 --> 0:23:37.160 jumping into lifeboats that were being lowered and injuring people 0:23:37.200 --> 0:23:39.960 already in there. Like it it became kind of pan 0:23:40.000 --> 0:23:43.320 ammonium all of a sudden. Yeah, like when your drink 0:23:43.480 --> 0:23:46.320 was sliding off the bar. Then it got real, you know, 0:23:46.520 --> 0:23:50.960 that's right. So, uh, first and class, I'm sorry, First 0:23:50.960 --> 0:23:54.399 and second class passengers are being uh going up to 0:23:54.600 --> 0:23:57.680 the highest deck, which is where these lifeboats are. They 0:23:58.440 --> 0:24:00.840