1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of I 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey, I'm welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, 3 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 1: and there's Chuck and there's Jerry over there, and this 4 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: is Stuff you should Know. Titanic Edition, Part two, this sequel. 5 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: When we last left off, the Titanic had just set sail. Yeah, 6 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: it was you you. I'd like to say it was 7 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: in fine shape, but it had almost sucked another ship 8 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 1: into it, and it had a coal fire aboard. But 9 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 1: other than that, it was doing just fine. I wonder 10 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 1: if the captain, after they averted hitting the New York 11 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 1: was like, did you see those guys? They were totally 12 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,599 Speaker 1: pooping in their pants? Yeah, give them, give me another too, 13 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 1: don't mess with me. So, uh yeah, I don't have 14 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: the impression that the captain, I don't know if we 15 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: said his name or not yet, Edward Smith, um his name. 16 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: I don't know that he what he certainly doesn't in 17 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 1: retrospect have a uh sterling reputation. No, no, I was 18 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,759 Speaker 1: gonna say, he doesn't have a reputation that is um 19 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: like that of a maverick necessarily, like I think, have 20 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: a sterling reputation at least exactly like he was. I 21 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: saw in a I think a PBS documentary that that 22 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: like captains like this at the time were likened to 23 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 1: rock stars of today, like they had their own fans, 24 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 1: and like it was a like you knew what captain 25 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: you were sailing with, and it was a big deal. 26 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: And he was one of the most famous and well 27 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: well respected, if not revered as far as the captains go. 28 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 1: But over time, yeah, exactly like stooping. But over time, um, 29 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: because of like the inquiries and the desire to place 30 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: blame and define like simple answers and compartmentalize everything, he's 31 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: been um kind of painted with inaccurate brush that loses 32 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: a lot of nuance. And one of the ways that 33 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: he has been missle able that makes him seem like 34 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: a maverick is that he was going full speed ahead, 35 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: trying to break speed records, wanted to get there as 36 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: fast as possible to show up those Kunard jerks, And 37 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: that seems to just be not the case at all. 38 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: And in fact, yes, the Titanic was going very fast. 39 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: But according to a m an Irish journalist who has 40 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: done a lot of research on this UH scene in 41 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: Maloney I believe is their name, UH they were going 42 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: that fast because they were trying to they were having 43 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: to use up more coal to keep that fire from spreading, 44 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 1: and that he didn't really have that much of a 45 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: say in how fast the thing was going because they 46 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 1: had to keep the coal fire under control. I'd like 47 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: to slow down. Are we still on fire? Or we 48 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,679 Speaker 1: can't slow down there? But that really kind of goes 49 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 1: to show you. It's like like really teaches you, like, oh, yeah, 50 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: we've lost a lot of like the details here, or 51 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: I shouldn't say that. Pop Cole sure has lost a 52 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: lot of the details. There are plenty of people out 53 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: there who know details like that. Those are the people 54 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: you should listen to. Those are the people who we 55 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 1: listened to. So you can feel pretty comfortable listening to 56 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: us for the last episode in this one. Let's begin 57 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: now to alright, so fast forward from April eleven, when 58 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: it sets sail to April fourteen. We all know what 59 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 1: happens over those three days. There's some steamy love making 60 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: in the back of a car in the cargo hold, 61 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:34,239 Speaker 1: drawing me like one of your French girls. Wasn't that 62 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: a good Kate Winslett, Yeah, I thought you were doing 63 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: Leo either one would have been funny. Okay, there's room 64 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: for me on that door. That was Leo. Yeah, and 65 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: she said no, there's not. Oh man, we lost a 66 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: bunch of listeners. No, no, it shook. I mean, can 67 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: you joke about that? So it is the night of 68 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: April fourteenth, twelve. This is the third day out. It 69 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: is very cold. The water is about twenty degrees fahrenheit 70 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: uh negative two point to celsius. And around noon that 71 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: day some things started happening. They had this really cool 72 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 1: modern Marconi wireless system where they could receive messages wirelessly, 73 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 1: and the operators on board started receiving the first of 74 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: at least what would be for messages about ice and 75 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: like a big, big ice that's in the water. A 76 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 1: second one comes in at five thirty five from an 77 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:41,359 Speaker 1: actual ship that said, hey, icebergs nineteen miles north of 78 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: from right, you're headed right toward towards these ice bergs, 79 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,479 Speaker 1: and you know what they say, like they don't look 80 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 1: big on top, but there could be serious trouble underneath. 81 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: They really fill out under water. I don't think that's 82 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 1: the thing. Uh. In about an hour before the collision, 83 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 1: pm UH, the Californian which was a nearby vessel, said hey, 84 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: we're stopped. We're surrounded by ice, and the operator on 85 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: the Titanic said, literally, shut up, I am busy. I'm 86 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: working Cape Race, which apparently was a relay station in Newfoundland, 87 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: and they were busy sending out messages for the passengers. Yeah, 88 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: the passengers could pace about sixty five bucks to send 89 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: a Marconi Graham to basically show off to their friends 90 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: and family back home that they were setting slow from 91 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: the middle of the ocean. Yeah, because the postcard they 92 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 1: sent was just in the mail room aboard the same 93 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: ship at the same time as them. This this Marconi 94 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: graham could go out immediately. So the first class passengers 95 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: were sending out little hellos to the tune of about 96 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: two d and fifty of them, I believe, just that day. 97 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,919 Speaker 1: So the Marconi operators were very much overworked, which is 98 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: why he told the other one to shut up. Apparently 99 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: said it twice, said shut up, shut up, exclamation points too. 100 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: So two hundred and fifty first class passengers sent us 101 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: just that day. It's like there were only three hundred 102 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 1: and something first class aboard, so that was most of 103 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 1: the first class. Yeah, well, hopefully there wasn't just like 104 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: some obnoxious one that had sent out like ten or 105 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: twelve but who knows, right, he was like, or send 106 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 1: another marcornograph about Picasso. Yeah, so um he uh he, 107 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: I was just thinking of Billy's ain again. Um, the 108 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 1: Marconi operators like the presence of this, this Marconi wireless 109 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: thing on board was just as cutting edges technology got 110 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: at the time. It was a text. Basically, there were 111 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 1: so few ships that had wireless aboard that it was 112 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 1: just it was just nuts, which is why so many 113 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: people were sending Marconi grams to show off. But at 114 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 1: the same time, the fact that there were these wireless 115 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: radios on some ships, including ships that were in the area, 116 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: means that the Titanic did have warning that there was 117 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 1: an ice flow like in between them in New York, 118 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: and they started, you know, like you were saying, they 119 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: were receiving warnings about the icebergs and ice flows. And 120 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: again Captain Smith is depicted as having ignored this and 121 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: just heedlessly headed on full steam ahead into an ice field, 122 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: even though he had been warned against it. And from 123 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: what I saw, um, this is again a mischaracterization because 124 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: he didn't receive any warnings that that would warrant slowing 125 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: down or changing course or anything like that. He knew 126 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: that there are icebergs. It's just kind of like if 127 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: somebody was saying, there's an iceberg twenty miles ahead of 128 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: your your projected course, you know, heads up, he'd be like, okay, 129 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: good to know, but that wouldn't require you to do 130 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: anything about it. But there was one, the very faithful 131 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: one that really may have sealed the fate of everybody 132 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: aboard the Titanic. And that was that last one that 133 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: um came in at eleven forty that said we're stopped 134 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: and surrounded by ice That apparently did not make it 135 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: to the captain as far as I know. Yeah, so 136 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: like the deal, You're right, the deal was is is. 137 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: Icebergs were very common. It wasn't like, oh my god, 138 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: there are icebergs, we gotta stop everybody like they were 139 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: used to dealing with icebergs. It was just a heads up. 140 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: And that that last one may have been a big 141 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: difference maker. Right, So, um, they knew that they are icebergs, um, 142 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: but there was nothing to be worried about as far 143 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: as they could tell. Uh. And when when Captain Smith 144 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: handed over command of the ship for the night to um. 145 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: I think, uh, Charles second officer, Charles Lightholer. So when 146 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: he handed it over Lightholer he said, hey, um, if 147 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: conditions become hazy, let me know and we'll you know, 148 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: we'll slow down, but until then, full speed ahead. And 149 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 1: it turns out that the night of April fourteenth, nine twelve, 150 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: in the area of the North Atlantic was incredibly calm. 151 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: The sea was like glass. Um, it wasn't hazy at all. 152 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: It was totally clear, and there was no moon and 153 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: lots of stars, so they couldn't see very far because 154 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: there wasn't much light. They didn't have binoculars in the lookout. Um. 155 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: But also because the sea was calm, there were no 156 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: waves to um give out any telltale characteristics of breaking 157 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 1: against iceberg's. It was just nothing but clear water everywhere 158 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: they could see. So there was not a lot of 159 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: chance of them spotting icebergs under the conditions that they 160 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,959 Speaker 1: were dealing with. So, speaking of the moon, did you 161 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: ever hear that theory about how the moon could have 162 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: impacted the fact that the iceberg was where it was? 163 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 1: There was apparently on January four, a few months before 164 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: the Titanic. The Moon made its closest approach to Earth 165 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 1: in about four hundred years, which a so coincided within 166 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: six minutes of a spring tide, which is the semi 167 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 1: monthly alignment of the Sun and the Moon with the Earth. 168 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: And basically all of this ends up in especially high 169 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: tides entitle currents, and this was a really big year 170 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: for icebergs. There were about double the amount of icebergs 171 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:22,319 Speaker 1: than average. And what usually happens is when they kind 172 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: of calve off from where they start, they end up 173 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: getting kind of hung up um when it gets into 174 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,719 Speaker 1: sort of shallower lanes, and that almost always happens. It 175 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: kind of keeps them in place. But because of this 176 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:38,319 Speaker 1: strong spring tide, it may have like sent more icebergs 177 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: out to see than normal. That's nuts, man. Yeah, And 178 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: you know, again it's one of these things that other 179 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: people are like, you know, everyone's trying to find these 180 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: retroactive things to blame. But I think it all kind 181 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: of adds up when you start looking at sort of 182 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 1: the sliding doors theory of of fate, that it all 183 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: sort of ended up impacting what happened that night. Yeah, 184 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: and I think it's another reason why people are so 185 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: engrossed by it because again, it's like it just seems 186 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: almost preordained. Yeah, and that is very often traced back 187 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: to this hubris that um kind of infested the whole 188 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 1: origin and an idea of the Titanic, um that it 189 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: was unsinkable and that it was just the biggest thing 190 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: ever made. We're going to send it out as fast 191 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: as we want. Um. That that is that that just 192 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: seems like they were sailing into fate just from those things. 193 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, I mean it's it is like a 194 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: Hollywood script or something, but you know, it really happened. 195 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: I know, somebody should make a movie out of him, 196 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:45,479 Speaker 1: so and get someone else to write it. Um oh Man. 197 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: Eight hours long, Frederick Fleet and Reginald Lee were in 198 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: the crow's nest, and I think Fleet is the one 199 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 1: that later said that binoculars could have really helped, because 200 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 1: Fleet was the one who was close to the end 201 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: of the shift when he saw this iceberg. He sounds 202 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: an alarm down to the bridge and First Officer William 203 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: Murdoch was up there in about thirty seven seconds said 204 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: stop the engines, go full speed astern, which was very 205 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 1: common maneuver to sort of try and dodge something if 206 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 1: you're in a big ship like that. And you know 207 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 1: this again in retrospect, this was not a great idea. 208 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 1: Uh they Some people posit that if it had just 209 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: gone straight and hit this thing head on, it might 210 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 1: not have sunk, but it ended up turning just enough 211 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 1: to hit a very and especially when you factor in 212 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: that fire, if that actually was a thing that weakened it, 213 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 1: it hit the whole at a very vulnerable spot, possibly 214 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: it's most vulnerable spot because of that fire. But also 215 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,679 Speaker 1: even had that fire not been there, it was like 216 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: that was the Achilles heel of the the Titanic that area. 217 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 1: And you know, it's tough to to fault Murdoch for, 218 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: you know, trying to spin away for it, but it 219 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 1: was it was well, it isn't except or it was 220 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: an accepted technique to also just ram Iceberg head on um. 221 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 1: But the reason Murdoch chose, probably why he chose not 222 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: to do that, was because if you did that head on, 223 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: you're gonna send everything and everybody lurching forward, because it's 224 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: a head on collision. Um. When you side swipe something, 225 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:27,079 Speaker 1: that's much less jarring. And in fact, the passengers who 226 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 1: did survive. The Titanic later said that there was a 227 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 1: slight jar when this thing hit the iceberg. Um so 228 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 1: much so that I think a passenger said, had he 229 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:40,199 Speaker 1: been holding a full glass of water, not a drop 230 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 1: would have been spilled. So he did it I think 231 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: out of instinct, because nobody wants to hit anything head on. 232 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: But I think he also did it to spare the 233 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:51,679 Speaker 1: passengers and the crew and the cargo being jostled and 234 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: jarred as rudely as they would have been had they 235 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,839 Speaker 1: hit it head on. Yeah. And this is where those 236 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: rivets come into play as well, because it is theorized 237 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 1: that because those rivets didn't hold like they should, uh, 238 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: it ended up buckling the ship right there. And apparently 239 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: it's that buckling that really sort of uh put the 240 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 1: nail in the coffin for the Titanic. Yeah, like it 241 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: might have survived the gouges had it not been for 242 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: the buckling. Apparently. Yeah. Um so the I guess the 243 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: buckling kind of pulled the rivets or the seams apart, 244 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: and that allowed the water in. Is that the idea 245 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: behind it? I think so, because you know they started Murdoch, 246 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: you know, said let's get all these watertight door shut, 247 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: which was a really really great move, but it was 248 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: too late and they were there were five of them 249 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: that were filling up. They originally thought. You know, Captain 250 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: Smith was like, there, you know, there must be a 251 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: three foot hole in this thing. Uh. And I saw 252 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 1: a couple of different numbers. This article from how Stuff 253 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: Works says three point two square feet for these six 254 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: slim lacerations on the boat, I saw about twelve square feet. Yeah, 255 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: I mean I saw I like into about two sidewalk squares. Um, 256 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: like that took down the titan Now can you imagine? 257 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: And that nuts Like of course you would think Captain 258 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: Smith would be like, it's got to be a three 259 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 1: ft gash just to have that kind of water, And 260 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: he wouldn't know. It's not like he could see, like 261 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: this was beneath the water. It struck the iceberg underwater. Um, 262 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 1: so it was just an estimate. But yeah, now we 263 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: know from from going down and looking at the Titanic, uh, 264 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: using sonar, just how small they were. So just a 265 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: couple of sidewalk squares. Huh. Yeah. And you know, the 266 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: the really brutal part is Andrew's kind of just like 267 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: in the movie Victor Garber. Once he got worded that 268 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: there were five of those cavities filling up with water, 269 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: he was like, that's it, man, Like we could have 270 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: survived four. But and I know it doesn't seem like 271 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: it right now, but this ship is going to go down. Yeah. 272 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: So I mean, you remember, I think in the first 273 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: one we said that the thing was designed to be 274 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: just fine with two and that four it could probably 275 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: make it, but five was the magic number. With five, 276 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: it was like, this is this is not going to 277 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: end well at all. And even with four compartments full 278 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 1: and sealed off, there's a good possibility that the Titanic 279 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: would have sunk, but it might have taken so long 280 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: to sink that all of the everybody aboard would have 281 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: easily made their way off. But that five, that fifth 282 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: compartment was just it was just terrible, um because not 283 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: only was the Titanic doom to sink, it was doomed 284 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: to sink very very fast. I think Andrew's estimated two 285 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: hours basically when he found out how many compartments were filling. Yeah, 286 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: it was really the speed. And if you're saying to yourself, 287 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: but Josh, how can you say that when they were 288 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: short lifeboats. As we'll see, there were other ships nearby 289 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: that that that likely would have gotten there quicker, or 290 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: not gotten there quicker, but gotten there quick enough had 291 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: it sunk lower to get people off of that thing. Yeah, um, 292 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: take a break, Yeah, I think so I could use one, buddy. 293 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 1: All right, let's take a break and we'll talk about 294 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 1: what happened after that chunk of ice fell near Caton 295 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 1: Leo right after this. So, um, when when Thomas Andrews 296 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 1: explained to Captain Smith, like, this is going down and 297 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: it's going to happen in about two hours. Um, Smith 298 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: basically gathered his crew and said, hey, this is you know, 299 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:00,679 Speaker 1: the ship is sinking. We need to get everybody to 300 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:05,719 Speaker 1: the lifeboats. Um. He started, he started lowering the lifeboats. 301 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 1: But apparently, from from what I've read aboard the Titanic, 302 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 1: you wouldn't have known that that the ship was sinking 303 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:17,360 Speaker 1: based on the activity and the behavior of everyone aboard. Yeah, 304 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: most people were kind of going about like their business, 305 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: hanging out in the lounge, still sleeping, Um, getting ready 306 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 1: to go to bed. Because this is I think around 307 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:31,919 Speaker 1: eleven or so when when it struck the iceberg, and 308 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,199 Speaker 1: like I said, it was such a faint jar that 309 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 1: I think people couldn't believe that the Titanic would be 310 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:40,200 Speaker 1: taken down by something that only produced that that faint 311 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: of a jar um. And so a lot of people 312 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: just kind of acted like nothing was wrong. Yeah, I mean, 313 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: crew included, I think it was. I think when the 314 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: message went out from the captain, there was a lot 315 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:58,400 Speaker 1: of disbelief all the way around, right like, surely if 316 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: we hit an iceberg bad enough to sink it, we 317 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:04,159 Speaker 1: would it would be you know, it would be evident, 318 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 1: like just standing here like, but that's just not the case. 319 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,679 Speaker 1: And you know, because it was so large, uh you know, 320 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 1: like you said, you wouldn't even spill a glass of water. 321 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 1: So no one except Leo and Kate they saw that 322 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 1: chunk of ice fall. Yeah, oh yeah, they I forgot. 323 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,439 Speaker 1: They were witnesses to it. They knew what was going on. 324 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: I forgot about that. Yeah, they were out there, King 325 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 1: and Queen of the world. All right, So ulf the 326 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 1: captain is sending out messages and I mentioned that ship nearby. 327 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 1: There were a couple but the Carpathia was a Cunard 328 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 1: Line steamer, and they were like, oh, you need help, 329 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: do you back. No, they acted fast, of course, but 330 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: they were about fifty eight miles away and they knew. 331 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 1: They're like, there's no way we can get there in time. No, 332 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 1: especially not if it's going to sink in a couple 333 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: of hours. But again, had you know, even just the 334 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 1: only four compartments not flooded, the Carpathia probably could have 335 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 1: made it there in plenty of time. But there was actually, 336 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: Chuck another ship, though, the Californian, that was closer to 337 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: the Titanic, and as we'll see in the inquiry that followed, 338 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 1: it's basically the Carpathia hero California villain. The Californian was 339 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: um accused of basically refusing to render aid, and that 340 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: just wasn't the case. Um, there was a mystery ship 341 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:28,159 Speaker 1: that very much did refuse to render aid and just 342 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: pretended like it didn't see what was going on. But yeah, 343 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 1: it was actually a ship called the Mount Temple that 344 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 1: was keptain by a man named James Moore, Captain James Moore. 345 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: That was I believe, within ten miles of the Titanic 346 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: the entire time that some passengers and crew uh later 347 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:51,919 Speaker 1: said they could see the lights, they could hear the 348 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: lifeboats being lowered. They could hear the cries of people 349 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: in the in the water, and that survivors said they 350 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: saw another ship. They there was close enough that they 351 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 1: could see some of the porthole lights, like that's how 352 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: close it was, and that it just sat there, wouldn't 353 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 1: come And it was because the captain made the decision 354 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: that that he wasn't gonna risk go anyto the ice 355 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,360 Speaker 1: ice flows. Well, he also didn't come forward and say, yeah, 356 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 1: that was me. He let um the captain of the Californian, 357 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: Stanley Lord take the take the blame. And Stanley Lord 358 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 1: went to his grave basically a disgraced captain, even though 359 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:32,120 Speaker 1: he would be vindicated when they finally found the Titanic 360 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 1: and said, oh wait, you were way far away. And 361 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: also more to the point, you didn't realize that the 362 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: Titanic was in distress. So history has rehabilitated a lot 363 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 1: of people. But at the time, and for many many years, 364 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 1: you know, we like simple stories where there's a hero 365 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 1: and a villain, and the Carpathio was the hero in 366 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 1: the Californian was the villain. That's right, good story, I 367 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: think so too. So they're giving out these life jackets, uh, 368 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 1: made of or plenty of those, and they I think 369 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: there was room for eleven seventy six passengers on lifeboats 370 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 1: if they're all full. Uh. There were about two d 371 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 1: and change of passengers and crew aboard. So at am, 372 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,400 Speaker 1: the captain says, start lowering these things. Let's get those 373 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 1: first class passengers in there first. I think there were 374 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 1: fourteen of the lifeboats, were the big daddies that could 375 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: carry sixty five people. Uh. There were I think two 376 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,640 Speaker 1: emergency ones that could carry thirty five each, and then 377 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 1: four collapsible boats that could carry forty nine people each. 378 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: And uh, I see different numbers bandied about, but supposedly 379 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,880 Speaker 1: that first lifeboat uh, and maybe the first few were 380 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:47,640 Speaker 1: not full. And I think that first one only had 381 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:52,640 Speaker 1: anywhere from five to eight people out of sixty five. Yeah, 382 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: mostly because there are a lot of people aboard who 383 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 1: were like, I don't believe the Titanic is sinking, and 384 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,639 Speaker 1: that getting in that life seems way more dangerous to 385 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: me than staying more than nice, warm, toasty Titanic where 386 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 1: there's lots of brandy to be had. Um. And that's 387 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 1: why some of those first lifeboats, That's what I was 388 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: saying like it was apparently eerily calm and quiet and 389 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: not at all chaotic. And then when it finally became 390 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: apparent that, yeah, the ship was sinking and no, there's 391 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: not enough lifeboats to save everybody, that's when it became 392 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: rather chaotic. And then suddenly people were not only getting 393 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: into lifeboats until the capacity was full, they were like 394 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,160 Speaker 1: jumping into lifeboats that were being lowered and injuring people 395 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 1: already in there. Like it it became kind of pan 396 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 1: ammonium all of a sudden. Yeah, like when your drink 397 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: was sliding off the bar. Then it got real, you know, 398 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 1: that's right. So, uh, first and class, I'm sorry, First 399 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 1: and second class passengers are being uh going up to 400 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 1: the highest deck, which is where these lifeboats are. They 401 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 1: just like in the movie, the third class passengers were 402 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 1: you know, kind of locked down there for the time 403 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 1: being because they were waiting to get other people out 404 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: of the way and then they were going to let 405 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: them out. Uh, And that that John Hart, third class Stewart. 406 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: John Hart basically was like you, a lot of you 407 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 1: people haven't even been out of third class, so you 408 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,160 Speaker 1: don't even know where to go. So John Hard spent 409 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 1: a lot of time directing people to the proper route 410 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: to get them to safety or at least an attempt 411 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,120 Speaker 1: at safety. Yeah. I mean there were a lot of like, 412 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: um stories of heroics, of everyday heroics of people who 413 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: were just like, you know, this is my job. I'm 414 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: gonna die doing my job trying to make you know, 415 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,880 Speaker 1: people as safe as possible. Um, And that that's that's 416 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 1: a John Hart's a very good example of that totally. UM. So, 417 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:50,640 Speaker 1: the first officer Murdoch and second officer Lighthowler um were 418 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: in charge of overseeing the lifeboats on the port side 419 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: and the starboard side, UM, and they kind of approached 420 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 1: it differently. I believe Murdoch was basically like, hey, you're breathing, 421 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 1: get in a lifeboat, or you're just gonna try to 422 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,439 Speaker 1: get as many people out of here as possible, whereas 423 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: light Aller was like, if you're a woman or a child, 424 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: come on, but if you're a man, I'm going to 425 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 1: shoot my gun in the air. Because by the way, 426 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 1: all of the officers who were in charge of overseeing 427 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,879 Speaker 1: lifeboats were issued pistols basically keep people in line and 428 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 1: in worst case scenario, shoot people who tried to get 429 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:29,439 Speaker 1: aboard lifeboats that otherwise shouldn't have been um and I 430 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 1: think light aller shot or no, not a light aller. 431 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: I think one of the um the fourth or the 432 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: fifth officer had to fire his gun in the air 433 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:39,919 Speaker 1: to basically like get people to come back to their 434 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: senses because they were like men were starting to try 435 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 1: to push aboard lifeboats while women, Yeah, exactly, while women 436 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: and children were still there. So again it was it 437 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 1: was nice and calm, and everybody was, you know, following 438 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: the order of women and children first. And then you 439 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: know that that kind of started to crumble. Um in place. 440 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 1: It's not everywhere, but in some places. Billy's ainet grabbed 441 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:08,679 Speaker 1: a kid. I have a child, remember that? Yeah? Yeah, 442 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: and that was in another movie I saw recently. What 443 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 1: Billy Jane or Billy's Ain't stealing a kid to get 444 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: in the lifeboat. No, I'm trying to think there was 445 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: another movie that was made recently where this couple that's 446 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 1: like a kind of a post apocalyptic thing or something's 447 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: going This isn't gonna be interesting. I'll try to figure 448 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 1: it out and tell you later. But somebody else did 449 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: the same thing, grabbed a kid and used a kid. Yeah, 450 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: and you don't realize it until about two thirds of 451 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 1: the way through the movie, and then you're like, oh 452 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 1: my god, Like that's it's it was really well done. 453 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: But I didn't realize that they'd stolen that from Titanic. 454 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 1: All right, well, let me let me know. Uh, so 455 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:51,159 Speaker 1: the band really did play on that's that movie scene 456 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: is straight out of reality, apparently, right down to the song. 457 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: I think, um, they say the last song was either 458 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: Autumn or Nearer My God to the and I think 459 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 1: near my God is the one they played in the movie. 460 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: Very you know, say what you want about the movie. 461 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 1: That was. There were some really really gripping scenes in 462 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 1: the second half of that film, and that was one 463 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 1: of them. Uh. The other one that really always got 464 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 1: me was uh. And and this is kind of the 465 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: point where we are now with how this thing actually sank. Um, 466 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: when Cathy Bates is as Molly Brown is in that 467 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: lifeboat and sees that those propellers up in the air, Uh, 468 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: it was pretty remarkable. Yeah, the the that those lacerations 469 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 1: in the hole they took on um like water towards 470 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:42,640 Speaker 1: the bow, So the front of the ship was suddenly 471 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 1: much heavier than the back of the ship, and the 472 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 1: ship was built so strongly even with those sub sub 473 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: standard rivets, the wrought iron ones, that the it didn't 474 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: just break immediately, that it actually lifted up the rear 475 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 1: and the propellers became became um visible first, and then 476 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 1: it kept going higher and higher and higher, and then 477 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 1: the pressure on those on the plates that were that 478 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 1: whole held the whole thing together became so enormous that 479 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: it was something like seventeen and a half tons of 480 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 1: pressure per square inch. That's how much pressure was being 481 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 1: exerted on the basically the halfway point where where the 482 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:30,160 Speaker 1: where the where the Titanic split in two. And finally 483 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 1: it did split in two, but it didn't break into 484 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:37,639 Speaker 1: two immediately. The bottom of the whole, the um that 485 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: connected the front of the back still hung on and 486 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 1: it almost became like a hinge. And so the whole 487 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: bow went under water, but just dangled there for a 488 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 1: little while until it finally filled up. And at one 489 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 1: point the stern, the back half of the ship was 490 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 1: straight up in the air basically and was about as 491 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 1: tall as the twenty five story building. Imagine being a 492 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: lift and seeing that I can't I cannot like, I 493 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 1: can't like all of this, all of these things that 494 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 1: you're seeing. You're like, this shouldn't be happening. None of 495 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: this should it be, should exist right now? And it was, 496 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: and it was all still it was going pretty fast too. 497 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: I mean like they launched the first lifeboats about two 498 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: hours before. The stern was now suddenly like twenty five 499 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 1: stories into the air. Finally the bow part fills up 500 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 1: with enough water that it breaks off and it it 501 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 1: was so heavy that it traveled the about two point 502 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 1: four miles down to the sea floor or the Titanic 503 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 1: rest today, in like six minutes. That's how fast it 504 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: traveled down there, and just hit like a like a missile, 505 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: basically it hit the sea floor. Yeah, and you know, 506 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: obviously this is when they start losing like remarkably they 507 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 1: had electricity, uh and even I think um radio that 508 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: Marconi was still working for a while. But obviously when 509 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 1: this thing s puts in half, that's when these flickering 510 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 1: lights even go out. And that was also a very 511 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: you know, pretty emotional part in the movie, when it 512 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 1: goes quiet, when you know there's so much chaos going on, 513 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 1: and when those lights go out in the boat is Finally, 514 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 1: you know, when both halves fully go underwater, then you're 515 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 1: just left with screaming human beings. Yeah, there was a 516 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 1: survivor who said that it sounded to him like the 517 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: sound of all the people crying and screaming and yelling 518 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 1: for help in the water, that it sounded like the 519 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 1: sound of Cicada's on like a summer night. It was 520 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: just that kind of frenetic and and all encompassing. But 521 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 1: then I saw another survivor who said that the worst 522 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: part was when those when it started to like fall silent, 523 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: when they were like fewer and fewer people yelling, because 524 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 1: you knew that the people who'd just been yelling a 525 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 1: few minutes before, we're now dead. They'd frozen to death. Apparently, 526 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 1: the the temperature of the water was so cold that 527 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: you would lose consciousness in about six to twelve minut 528 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 1: It's basically yeah, and you know, we've been joking around 529 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 1: and stuff. I think that the adage comedy is tragedy 530 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: plus time. Uh, you can apply here, but we do 531 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 1: not take any of this slightly. It's at this point 532 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: it is one of the most horrific scenes that anybody 533 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 1: could ever imagine being a part of absolutely, which is 534 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: again why why so many people celebrate Molly Brown. Um, 535 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: Because there were so many people out in the water 536 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 1: still with those cork life jackets. Um. The guy who 537 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: I think the quartermaster Robert Hitchens, who was basically the 538 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 1: captain of the lifeboat that Molly Brown happened to be in, 539 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 1: refused to go try to pick up survivors who might 540 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 1: be in the water. He said, they're all dead and 541 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: she's She threatened apparently to throw him overboard if he 542 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 1: didn't go find people. And what was amazing is that 543 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 1: some people did actually survive. Um. The chief baker, his 544 00:31:55,320 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: name was Charles Jofflin or j Offen. He survived paddling 545 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 1: around for two hours, two hours, and then he finally 546 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 1: found a capsized lifeboat and clung to that climbed aboard that, 547 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,959 Speaker 1: and some people did survive like that. But but um, 548 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 1: but he he was in the water for a couple 549 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 1: of hours, and weirdly they attributed to him getting drunk 550 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 1: before he went in the water. But this was apparently 551 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 1: after he had helped save a bunch of people. The 552 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: first thing he did is he went and stocked as 553 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 1: many lifeboats as he could with bread, and provisions. Um. 554 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: Then he started actually physically throwing women who refused to 555 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 1: get into lifeboats into the lifeboats. And then after there 556 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 1: was no one left to help, he went and started drinking. 557 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: For some reason, they think that that kept him alive, 558 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 1: where otherwise he might not have just maybe by freaking out, 559 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,480 Speaker 1: like it kept him from freaking out. Yeah, well warmed 560 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 1: him up to maybe. I don't know, No, I think 561 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 1: it's supposed to do the opposite of that opposite. Yeah, like, 562 00:32:56,040 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 1: don't take that advice, don't drink choke. There's another story 563 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 1: I saw talking about the sound of the um, like 564 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 1: the people who were crying out. Um. There was a 565 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 1: young survivor, I think he was like nine or ten 566 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 1: or twelve, um. And he later on they moved, his 567 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 1: family was moving to America, and he found out the 568 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 1: hard way that he couldn't go to baseball games because 569 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 1: the sound of the cheering crowd took him right back 570 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 1: to the sounds of the people crying for help the Titanic. 571 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 1: And he just wanted to love baseball but absolutely couldn't 572 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 1: because because of that. Basically, he had PTSD. Basically, yeah, 573 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 1: that's very sad, But let's take our last break here 574 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 1: and we'll talk about what happened after to am, after 575 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 1: the Titanic made its way to the bottom of the ocean. 576 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,760 Speaker 1: All right, so the Titanic is underwater at this point. 577 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: It is chaos and death and despair everywhere you can see. 578 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 1: The Carpathia finally arrives at about four thirty am on 579 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 1: April and you know, these lifeboats were adrift. They had 580 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 1: no compasses, no lights, they were freezing. Uh, they were 581 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 1: I think the Carpathia recovered fourteen boats and seven and 582 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,959 Speaker 1: twelve people, which is remarkable. One of those people, only 583 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 1: one of those I think died on routes in New York. 584 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,759 Speaker 1: And uh, you know, the world starts getting word that 585 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,879 Speaker 1: the Mighty Titanic has sunk, and it's you know, it's 586 00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,799 Speaker 1: front page news all over the world. Basically. Yeah, when 587 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: the our Pathea finally made port in New York, it 588 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 1: was surrounded by um smaller boats that have been rented 589 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,399 Speaker 1: by the press who were trying to get scoops by 590 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:14,279 Speaker 1: shouting up to people aboard asking for quotes and and 591 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,760 Speaker 1: all that. Like, there was a gobs of money thrown 592 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 1: at people by journalists to try to get their story 593 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 1: because there. This is as international news as as news gets. Yeah. 594 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 1: So apparently the Californian looked for bodies and did not 595 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:34,720 Speaker 1: find any may not have accounted for the drift, and 596 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,319 Speaker 1: you know, may have been looking sort of in the 597 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 1: wrong place. And White Star said, as you would say, 598 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:42,760 Speaker 1: nuts to that, let's send out a bunch of search 599 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,359 Speaker 1: vessels to see what we can do. And I think 600 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:46,800 Speaker 1: they knew at that point they were not going to 601 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 1: find anyone alive, but they were at least trying to 602 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:52,359 Speaker 1: recover bodies. And they sent out a few boats and 603 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,759 Speaker 1: one of them found three hundred and six bodies, one 604 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,399 Speaker 1: found fifteen and one, and then another couple found four 605 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:03,200 Speaker 1: people in one person uh. And again all these people 606 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,880 Speaker 1: died in the most tragic way you could imagine. They 607 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,719 Speaker 1: were water logged, They were so heavy that it took 608 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 1: several people to lift them aboard. The first class passengers 609 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:17,440 Speaker 1: were put in coffins. They were embalmed. Um, this is 610 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:21,960 Speaker 1: really gruesome, but sometimes they had to break their frozen 611 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,239 Speaker 1: limbs just to fit them inside. It was um. It 612 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 1: was sort of no time for the formalities of burial. 613 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:33,120 Speaker 1: It seems like it was a mass casualty scene and 614 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:34,960 Speaker 1: so they were just kind of doing what they could. 615 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,880 Speaker 1: I think. Yeah, some of the crew was actually buried 616 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,319 Speaker 1: at sea, which I I would be like, I don't 617 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,759 Speaker 1: bury me at see. That sounds like the opposite of 618 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 1: okay to me, right, I've never been okay with burial. 619 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:52,160 Speaker 1: Let's see. Okay, you're telling me that. I'm just going 620 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 1: on the record in case we ever go on a 621 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 1: cruise together. Yeah, all right. So the US kind of 622 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:03,799 Speaker 1: like really insinuated it's self into this tragedy, umque to 623 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 1: a questionable degree in some people's minds at the time. 624 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 1: You know, the Titanic was a British ship, the White 625 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 1: star Line was a British company, um. And yet the 626 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:17,759 Speaker 1: US held public inquiries. The Senate did um on the 627 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 1: Titanic tragedy before the Brits could even do it, because 628 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,919 Speaker 1: they they started this inquiry I think one or two 629 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:31,120 Speaker 1: days after the Carpathia made port. That's how quick these 630 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,759 Speaker 1: the The inquiry was launched by the U. S Senate UM. 631 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,359 Speaker 1: And so all of these people who were subpoenaed as 632 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,560 Speaker 1: witnesses before they could leave New York, um had to 633 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,440 Speaker 1: stay and give their testimony before they could go back 634 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,400 Speaker 1: to England. So the British had to wait to hold 635 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,439 Speaker 1: their public inquiry until the American one was over, which 636 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,279 Speaker 1: I think kind of chafed everybody a little bit. But 637 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:57,359 Speaker 1: between the British inquiry and the American inquiry, they both 638 00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:02,879 Speaker 1: basically reached the same conclusions, and they were threefold lifeboats, 639 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:08,120 Speaker 1: lifeboats and lifeboats. Yeah, and and not just the amount 640 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:09,920 Speaker 1: like kind of the stuff we've already been over. Like 641 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 1: there was no system, it seems like, and this is 642 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:14,839 Speaker 1: all because it's true. It seemed like no one knew 643 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,960 Speaker 1: how to load these things. It seemed like there was 644 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 1: a lot of indecision about where you actually do the loading. 645 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 1: There were a lot of opinions flying about about who 646 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,560 Speaker 1: should be loaded, about how many crew members you need 647 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,359 Speaker 1: on these lifeboats, and there was just there was no 648 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,880 Speaker 1: direction at all. There was no uniformity and there was 649 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,120 Speaker 1: no plan. And that's like we mentioned at the beginning, 650 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,160 Speaker 1: because so many of these crew members just kind of 651 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,759 Speaker 1: showed up at the last minute and they didn't even 652 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,120 Speaker 1: have training and how to do this. Yeah. And like 653 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:50,359 Speaker 1: we said, the Californian was vilified. Um. That was another thing. Um. 654 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,200 Speaker 1: But the they it was you know, even at the 655 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 1: time it was explained by the California's captain, like, look, 656 00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,680 Speaker 1: the wireless operator went to bed. He didn't hear these 657 00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,520 Speaker 1: distress signals. Yes, they were shooting off rockets, but we 658 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,799 Speaker 1: thought it was another boat that was mainly doing it 659 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,239 Speaker 1: to navigate through the ice. Like it didn't seem like 660 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:10,040 Speaker 1: a distressed thing to us. Um. And again history has 661 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,879 Speaker 1: kind of exonerated him, but at the time he was 662 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:17,600 Speaker 1: not very well thought of. Neither was J. Bruce is May, 663 00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:21,560 Speaker 1: who survived because he got in a lifeboat. He was 664 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:23,880 Speaker 1: vilified as a coward who didn't go down with his 665 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:28,480 Speaker 1: own ship. Um. He was painted as um having dressed 666 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,440 Speaker 1: up as a woman to get a board, like just 667 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,560 Speaker 1: basically anything you can think of that's despicable. He was 668 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,200 Speaker 1: described as having done to get a board of lifeboat 669 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,600 Speaker 1: to save his own skin. Um. The only way that 670 00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,239 Speaker 1: he could have had any honor dignity is if he 671 00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,640 Speaker 1: had like willingly died with the ship. He didn't do that, 672 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:51,919 Speaker 1: And supposedly in retrospect he was probably unfairly characterized. Uh. 673 00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,440 Speaker 1: He went to his grave saying that he Um there 674 00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,640 Speaker 1: was no women or children anywhere near where he was, Like, 675 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,359 Speaker 1: they were not around, and he decided to get into 676 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,799 Speaker 1: a lifeboat that had space. Um, but even still, like 677 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:09,040 Speaker 1: he's just considered this despicable figure because of this kind 678 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:14,040 Speaker 1: of historical trend that was initiated during the public inquiries. Yeah, 679 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,800 Speaker 1: and of course Andrews the designer, uh and Captain Smith, 680 00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,120 Speaker 1: you know, as in the movie you see them both 681 00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,239 Speaker 1: go down with the ship. And that another very impactful 682 00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,880 Speaker 1: emotional scene with Victor Garber. I think doesn't need like 683 00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,400 Speaker 1: set the time correctly on a clock or something like. 684 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,319 Speaker 1: I know, I think he went and rearranged the deck furniture, 685 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,640 Speaker 1: the wicker chairs. No he didn't. I think he said 686 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,600 Speaker 1: the clock. Right, He's just such a cliche, he said, 687 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:41,960 Speaker 1: he said the clock chair. And and you know this 688 00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:46,279 Speaker 1: is as things are sliding off tables. And uh, it's 689 00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:47,840 Speaker 1: a good movie now that I'm talking about it, I 690 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,480 Speaker 1: kind of want to watch it again, all right. Um. 691 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,640 Speaker 1: There were other people that were hailed as heroes. The 692 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:56,719 Speaker 1: Captain of the Carpathia was knighted by King George five 693 00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:01,879 Speaker 1: for his actions and saving people. The um Marconi operators 694 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,960 Speaker 1: and the just the Marconi operating or wireless system in 695 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,879 Speaker 1: general was viewed as heroes because had it not been 696 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:14,239 Speaker 1: for those instant distress signals that were sent over Marconi wireless. Um, 697 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,520 Speaker 1: who knows how long those those people would have been 698 00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:20,200 Speaker 1: out there in lifeboats and how many more would have died. So, yeah, 699 00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,840 Speaker 1: a lot of people could be saved, could have been saved. 700 00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,680 Speaker 1: I think the number I've seen most widely used as 701 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:29,440 Speaker 1: five hundred. Had the lifeboats been properly filled with passengers, 702 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,840 Speaker 1: another five hundred people would have survived. Um. But you 703 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:34,640 Speaker 1: also have to say, well, how many people would have 704 00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,759 Speaker 1: died had the Marconi wireless not been in operation at 705 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,719 Speaker 1: the time too, So Marconi himself is actually hailed as 706 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,320 Speaker 1: a hero for having, you know, come up with this 707 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,399 Speaker 1: this wireless even though I don't think he invented the technology. 708 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:51,280 Speaker 1: Binocular locker, maybe it doesn't need a lock, Yeah, Davy 709 00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,600 Speaker 1: Player was like, oh god, I've got the key in 710 00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,560 Speaker 1: my pocket, right, maybe just put it in a in 711 00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,239 Speaker 1: the basket right there in the crow's nest, or just 712 00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:05,080 Speaker 1: taking in your cheek, you know, locks, you don't need 713 00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,480 Speaker 1: a lock. Okay, Are they afraid they're gonna people are 714 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:11,160 Speaker 1: gonna walk off with the binoculars? Right? They well they did. 715 00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,520 Speaker 1: There were a lot of um, a lot of reforms 716 00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,080 Speaker 1: that came out of this. They they started um launching 717 00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:21,359 Speaker 1: ice patrols. Uh, wireless operators started appearing on ships far 718 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:25,520 Speaker 1: more prevalently, and they were there were operators sitting there 719 00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:29,239 Speaker 1: around the clock to help with distress signals. But I mean, 720 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,600 Speaker 1: you know, and these probably saved thousands and thousands of lives. 721 00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,360 Speaker 1: But because these things hadn't existed at the time or 722 00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,719 Speaker 1: were ignored, like the lifeboat regulations, then uh, you know, 723 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:44,520 Speaker 1: a lot of people died brutal um So Chuck. The 724 00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:48,360 Speaker 1: Titanic wasn't it went down and was not discovered until 725 00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,680 Speaker 1: five I believe, right, Yeah, I mean that's when things 726 00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:56,959 Speaker 1: get really interesting. Uh. I think anyone who had any 727 00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:00,479 Speaker 1: even passing interest in the Titanic is marveled for years. 728 00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,000 Speaker 1: Like we were talking about an episode one about these 729 00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:07,120 Speaker 1: images and especially you know, the way these things are 730 00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,400 Speaker 1: lit with these little sort of you know, these little 731 00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,879 Speaker 1: swimming robots and their flashlights in the dark down there. 732 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:18,160 Speaker 1: It adds this eerequality to it with the suspended debris, 733 00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,920 Speaker 1: and how easily this thing, you know, would would kind 734 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,160 Speaker 1: of come apart if it was knocked against or something. 735 00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,279 Speaker 1: Just really stunning, stunning footage and that's I think what 736 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:32,920 Speaker 1: like drove James Cameron, he got really into it. Oh yeah. Um. 737 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,800 Speaker 1: The guy who discovered the Titanic was Dr Robert Ballard 738 00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,439 Speaker 1: Um and he I saw a talk by him where 739 00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,319 Speaker 1: he was talking about one of those early ones where 740 00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,680 Speaker 1: they were using one of their UM remote vehicles with 741 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,719 Speaker 1: equipped with like a spotlight on it, and he said 742 00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:52,240 Speaker 1: in from the inside, the gloom of the Titanic looked 743 00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,000 Speaker 1: like a light came on, he said, He and the 744 00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,880 Speaker 1: rest of his crew on the vessel aboard or uh 745 00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,560 Speaker 1: on on the surface just like stopped breathing, Like there 746 00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,120 Speaker 1: was the eerious thing you'd ever seen. And he realized 747 00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:08,080 Speaker 1: that the searchlight had just was reflecting off of one 748 00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:12,440 Speaker 1: of Titanic chandeliers that was still hanging there. I can't 749 00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,920 Speaker 1: imagine what that sensation would have been like just terror, 750 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:21,600 Speaker 1: but also just total awe. You know. So the Titanic 751 00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:25,640 Speaker 1: is falling apart thanks to a kind of iron loving 752 00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:33,120 Speaker 1: bacteria I believe called hal amonas Titanic A. Yeah, I 753 00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:38,120 Speaker 1: think that's right, right, surely that's on purpose. Yeah, yeah, 754 00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:43,439 Speaker 1: they I think they discovered it from evaluating the Titanic, right, Okay. Um, 755 00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:47,359 Speaker 1: And so they're there there. They basically don't think it's 756 00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:51,040 Speaker 1: going to be around much longer. But Dr Ballard just saying, no, no, 757 00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,920 Speaker 1: we can, we can do something with this. There's actually 758 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:58,279 Speaker 1: underwater technology that uses epoxy paint where you can paint underwater. 759 00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,680 Speaker 1: And he has a proposal to save the Titanic by 760 00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:05,560 Speaker 1: painting it and turning it into an underwater museum. Because 761 00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:11,520 Speaker 1: outside um outside in the debris field like um, bodies 762 00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,879 Speaker 1: were you know, dissolved and eaten within a very short 763 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,480 Speaker 1: amount of time. But there's still plenty of objects that 764 00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:21,560 Speaker 1: are still there. Inside the Titanic. There's no currents, and 765 00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:25,080 Speaker 1: a lot of areas inside the Titanic might be anaerobic, 766 00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:29,400 Speaker 1: so it's quite possible that there are bodies generally preserved 767 00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,680 Speaker 1: in there, and that a lot of this like rooms 768 00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:36,200 Speaker 1: and um uh, different areas in the bowels of the 769 00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:39,799 Speaker 1: Titanic are still in relatively good shape. So he's saying 770 00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,879 Speaker 1: all like, it's imperative that we keep the Titanic from 771 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:47,480 Speaker 1: rupturing and opening up and exposing its innards to the 772 00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:51,080 Speaker 1: currents and the oxygen in the ocean um, and we 773 00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,840 Speaker 1: can do that by painting it. The outside of it, 774 00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:57,839 Speaker 1: So I'm really hoping that he uh, he's successful in 775 00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:03,120 Speaker 1: that quest. Very cool. Yeah, you got anything else? I 776 00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,200 Speaker 1: got nothing else. I got one more thing. We could 777 00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,920 Speaker 1: not talk about the Titanic without talking about futility. The 778 00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,799 Speaker 1: book that was written by a guy named Morgan Robertson, 779 00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,000 Speaker 1: and it's about the biggest ship ever built, the titan 780 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:21,440 Speaker 1: Uh that is um headed from Liverpool to or New 781 00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,080 Speaker 1: York to Liverpool when it encounters an iceberg in the 782 00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,680 Speaker 1: North Atlantic and sinks. And like the description of the type, 783 00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:31,040 Speaker 1: the titan almost matches of Titanic even though it was 784 00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:35,759 Speaker 1: built fourteen or it was written fourteen years before. Very cool. 785 00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,399 Speaker 1: We cover that on something else at some point. Didn't 786 00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:42,279 Speaker 1: we do an episode on coincidence once? I don't know, 787 00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,880 Speaker 1: because if so, I'll bet that was it. Well, if 788 00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,400 Speaker 1: you want to know more about the Titanic, have a 789 00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,160 Speaker 1: good rest of your life, because there's a lot to learn. 790 00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:56,200 Speaker 1: So go forth, find your favorite Titanic based podcasts or 791 00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,799 Speaker 1: website and start there. And since I said start there, 792 00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:05,480 Speaker 1: it's time for finally listener mail. You know, instead of 793 00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,680 Speaker 1: listener mail, let's do the old call for reviews that 794 00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:13,640 Speaker 1: we do once every five years, all right, let's do it. Um. Yeah, 795 00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:15,640 Speaker 1: I didn't have a listener mail ready, so you know, 796 00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,120 Speaker 1: occasionally we like to ask people for reviews and ratings 797 00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,560 Speaker 1: on iTunes because we were told ten years ago that 798 00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,919 Speaker 1: that helped. Yeah, I mean I think it still does. Um. 799 00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,400 Speaker 1: So if you want to go onto Apple Podcasts or 800 00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,319 Speaker 1: whether you're on Spotify, wherever you are, there's probably a 801 00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,520 Speaker 1: way to leave a review. 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