WEBVTT - You Think You Have It Bad…They Have It Worse!

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, guys, welcome back to I Do par two. It's

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<v Speaker 1>your celebrity mentor Jenfessler, and today I'm going to be

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<v Speaker 1>breaking down and reacting to some of the latest headlines

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<v Speaker 1>in the world of divorce with my producer Heather.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey lady, Hi Jen, how are you? Hi?

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<v Speaker 1>Heather? So, Heather is my right arm, right hand, right

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<v Speaker 1>hand all things off screen, and today she is my

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<v Speaker 1>partner on screen, which I'm actually very excited about. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to hear your takes on this stuff, my friend.

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<v Speaker 2>These are some wild stories. I'm ready.

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<v Speaker 1>We really are you?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah yeah. We're talking to you guys about the

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<v Speaker 1>mess that has become some of these celebrity divorces. And

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, maybe it helps people to hear about

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<v Speaker 1>this and their own divorces or they all seem messy, right,

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<v Speaker 1>every one of us, all of us I Do Part twos,

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<v Speaker 1>have been through nothing. I've never heard of anything being

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<v Speaker 1>really easy in terms of divorce or you know, death

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<v Speaker 1>or even in my case, separation. But these celebrity ones

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<v Speaker 1>are good. They're juicy, and they're messy and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>sad in a lot of cases, right for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know what, I think that sometimes, right. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't been through divorce myself, but I think you

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<v Speaker 2>do have to go through a bit of that storm

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<v Speaker 2>before you can get to maybe some of that you know, nicer,

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<v Speaker 2>happier endings. And I think we're going to get to

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<v Speaker 2>some of those stories today too. There's some that are

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Hopeful, some uplifting ones as well, right, definitely, yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I have friends that always say like, divorce is so underrated.

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<v Speaker 1>These are my friends, of course, that have now had

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<v Speaker 1>some time in separation from the divorce. But even like

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<v Speaker 1>with younger kids, being able to sort of feel like

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<v Speaker 1>your kids are in a safe place'll have some time

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<v Speaker 1>on your own. But that's another episode. So let's just

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<v Speaker 1>dive right in. Let's talk about Scott Wolf. You're too young,

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<v Speaker 1>I think, Heather, did you watch Party of Five?

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<v Speaker 2>Listen? I did watch some Party of Five when I

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<v Speaker 2>was growing up. It was a little bit more on

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<v Speaker 2>the dramatic side. But I think Scott Wolf made appearances

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<v Speaker 2>on some other shows that I used to watch back

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<v Speaker 2>in the nineties, for sure, so I definitely know.

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<v Speaker 1>I was in love with him. Yeah, Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>so cute. So I guess recently, pretty recently him and

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<v Speaker 1>his soon to be ex wife, Kelly, announced that they

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<v Speaker 1>are getting divorced.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this has been drama since the get go. If

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<v Speaker 2>anybody's been following this story, obviously we know that there

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<v Speaker 2>was a police called to the house. There was I

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<v Speaker 2>believe she was detained for a period of time. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's just gotten a little bit bumpier week by week.

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<v Speaker 2>But tell everybody about kind of what's going on right now,

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<v Speaker 2>the latest this story.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, so I guess Kelly was dropped by her

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<v Speaker 1>own attorney, right. She was making some accusations against Scott

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<v Speaker 1>and that, you know, according to him, of course, are unfounded.

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<v Speaker 1>And we are not in the room with her attorney

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<v Speaker 1>and all that. Obviously their communications are privileged. So I

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<v Speaker 1>guess it's up to us to sort of guess what

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<v Speaker 1>happened there. But it's on the heels of her making

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<v Speaker 1>these accusations. Maybe the attorney thought that she was making

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<v Speaker 1>false allegations against him. You know, you don't hear about

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<v Speaker 1>attorneys firing their clients.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well it says here. It says on on Monday,

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<v Speaker 2>August nineteenth, the Utah judge presiding over the divorce granted

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<v Speaker 2>emotion brought by Kelly's attorney, Farah Spencer, to withdraw her

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<v Speaker 2>as her representation. The judge said that Farah and her

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<v Speaker 2>law firm are permitted to withdraw as counsel of record

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<v Speaker 2>for Kelly effect immediately, and are relieved of any and

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<v Speaker 2>all future duties and responsibilities for Kelly in this case. So,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, obviously, like you were saying, we don't know

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<v Speaker 2>all the details on why this, you know, went into motion,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't know what kind of sign it is

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<v Speaker 2>when you're divorce attorney, he as a client, like, I

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<v Speaker 2>think a little.

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<v Speaker 1>Sketchy doesn't seem good? Well, I know. Also I believe

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<v Speaker 1>her allegations had to do with his parenting, right and

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<v Speaker 1>correct me if I'm on he has the kids, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that right now he does.

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<v Speaker 1>If we're wrong in any of this, you guys, please

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<v Speaker 1>forgive us. But it's all I feel like this story

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<v Speaker 1>is coming out in real time.

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<v Speaker 2>Things are definitely changing with the wind on this one.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, there's a lot of mudslinging going on right now.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Kelly's been going to social media posting a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of you know stuff like we said, and we've

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<v Speaker 2>all seen and heard, you know, bodycam footage from that night,

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<v Speaker 2>So we're getting pieces of this situation. One thing's for sure,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not going well. I think it is very what

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<v Speaker 2>feels contentious, and yeah, you know, I think.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, she's also Heather. She's a life coach, right.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what. I actually remember Kelly from back when

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<v Speaker 2>she was on reality TV, back in the day she

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<v Speaker 2>used to be. She was on MTV The Real World.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I hope you guys, if you're listening to

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<v Speaker 1>this pod, you've you're hopefully of age to remember the

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<v Speaker 1>real world. If not, thank you for listening. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what I would have interesting to say to you,

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<v Speaker 1>you young people. But anyway, the Real World that started

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<v Speaker 1>off Reality TV. That was MTV show about I guess

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<v Speaker 1>it's sort of like like summer House now a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of kids at the shore though was it the shore?

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<v Speaker 2>But it's it's strangers if we're if we're really less correct,

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<v Speaker 2>excuse me, right, strangers pick to live together.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it was cool.

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<v Speaker 2>That's kind of what I remember Kelly being from. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, up until this time, I would say she

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<v Speaker 2>was pretty much living a low profile with.

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<v Speaker 1>Scott, but I think she was. I do think I

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<v Speaker 1>remember reading she was a life coach. It's interesting. It's like,

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<v Speaker 1>what does these expression therapists heal thyself or doctor heal thyself?

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<v Speaker 1>You know. I mean, I think you can have distance

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<v Speaker 1>from something like you can tell I certainly make a

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<v Speaker 1>million mistakes and tell my kids do as I say,

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<v Speaker 1>not as I do. So even though I know, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of times I know the right path or

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<v Speaker 1>the right move to make, I don't always choose it,

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<v Speaker 1>but I can tell you what it is. So and

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, I think it's interesting, just the

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<v Speaker 1>whole life coach thing and now she's unfortunately going through

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<v Speaker 1>this mess. But we wish them certainly all the best.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just a reminder of how ugly this can get.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, definitely. Scott actually released a statement on the fifteenth,

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<v Speaker 2>telling you People magazine that he is continuing to hope

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<v Speaker 2>that to have most of this difficult chapter of his

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<v Speaker 2>family's lives remain as private as possible. However, the well

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<v Speaker 2>being of their children is at stake and that will

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<v Speaker 2>always be his main priority. So yeah, we wish them

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<v Speaker 2>all the best and hopefully they can get through this

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<v Speaker 2>because at the end of the day, the kids are

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<v Speaker 2>the most important aspect when I think anybody would agree

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<v Speaker 2>when you're going through something.

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<v Speaker 1>Like this agreed, Well, yes, I would think that everyone

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<v Speaker 1>would agree with that. Speaking of contentious and kids and messy,

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk about Kim Zolesiak and Corey Beerman.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm actually really interested to hear your perspective on this one,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously being from the Bravo verse just right out the gate.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you ever met Kim before or do you know

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<v Speaker 2>her at all?

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<v Speaker 1>No, I've never met Kim. I've been watching him for

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<v Speaker 1>years and Croy and so funny. Do you remember I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if you watched them back in the day

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<v Speaker 1>when they fell in love at the beginning.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, their wedding, their.

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<v Speaker 1>Wedding, but that's their wedding. Like she saw him and

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<v Speaker 1>she was like, okay, I think this. She didn't use

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<v Speaker 1>this wording, but there was something about his ass. I

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<v Speaker 1>remember her saying that it was the cutest ass she'd

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<v Speaker 1>ever seen. Do you remember this?

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<v Speaker 2>I do remember this, And I also, I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if you remember that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's if she asked him out first or something.

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<v Speaker 2>When they got married, do you remember that she painted

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<v Speaker 2>his jersey on.

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<v Speaker 1>Her body and had.

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<v Speaker 2>I will never forget that photo shoot that.

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<v Speaker 1>She My god, that's so funny.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember it was definitely a love story, hot and heavy.

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<v Speaker 2>It really was July fast in the beginning. I think

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<v Speaker 2>they both agree with that. But it's just gone again,

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<v Speaker 2>reallywil in recent months. So you can go ahead tell

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<v Speaker 2>him for many kind of what's what's like them?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay? Well again, like and I haven't met Kim, but

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<v Speaker 1>I met three nights ago. I met Arianna. I was

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<v Speaker 1>at a movie premiere and she was there, I guess,

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<v Speaker 1>representing next Gen and her adorable boyfriend. And it's funny,

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<v Speaker 1>you guys, you know you read stuff, you see stuff

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<v Speaker 1>on TV. Obviously we didn't talk about this. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>speak didn't bring up your mother's you know, getting divorced

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<v Speaker 1>and it's ugly. But I'm just saying she was so

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<v Speaker 1>sweet and warm, and when you meet people sometimes they

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<v Speaker 1>become human and it all just becomes, you know, more

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<v Speaker 1>than just an interesting story. It's just it's very sad

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<v Speaker 1>and and so I believe Arianna. And who's the other sister, Brielle?

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<v Speaker 1>Brielle right there? From there, they Corey adopted them, right,

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<v Speaker 1>so there are four kids.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know, he's definitely their stepfather. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>went through with the adopt.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he did, okay anyway, So that's just how

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<v Speaker 1>that's just context about in terms of like how sad

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<v Speaker 1>it is. But I think that Kim now has asked

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<v Speaker 1>that Coroy b thrown in jail for stalking her, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>which is and I he obviously is denying those claims.

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<v Speaker 1>So it is, Uh, it's gotten to the point where

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds like it's you know, stalking her home and

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<v Speaker 1>wanting her he wants her thrown in jail. She filed

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<v Speaker 1>documents about they're really what seems to be their kind

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<v Speaker 1>of never ending divorce. Yeah, they have four kids, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and they have and then he adopted the two. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's gotten out of control, and she says that

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<v Speaker 1>he is Croy has been exhibiting erratic behavior, that Kroy's

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<v Speaker 1>obsession with her has led him to survey surveilling the residence.

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<v Speaker 1>Why can I say surveilling survailing the residence of a

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<v Speaker 1>third party at whose residence Kim was present, as well

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<v Speaker 1>as following him on such mundane tasks as grocery shopping.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds like the Genshaw and the monica of it all.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really wild, and you know, it's kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>this outlet says, it never ending. I feel like, similar

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<v Speaker 2>to the Scott Wolf and Kelly situation, Kim and Croi

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<v Speaker 2>are in the headlines every single week when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to their divorce, whether it is the money situation, whether

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<v Speaker 2>it's somebody won't leave the house, whether it's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>their kids are speaking, you know, so it's really really

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<v Speaker 2>gotten messy, and you know, I just want to hear

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<v Speaker 2>from you as you know, as an adult who's also

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<v Speaker 2>been in a very long term marriage. Yeah, do you

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<v Speaker 2>think that these two really need to be focusing on

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<v Speaker 2>right now? Do you think they need better mediation? Do

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<v Speaker 2>you think they should be, you know, enlisting the help

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<v Speaker 2>of a divorce coach because it feels like they're not

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<v Speaker 2>getting it right.

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<v Speaker 1>So obviously just my opinion. So I feel like this

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing would have gone a lot easier if from

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning, and maybe they have one, but I'm thinking not.

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<v Speaker 1>They had a prenup, so let me just put that

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<v Speaker 1>out there. So they came into this marriage not as

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<v Speaker 1>as children starting out right, they came into it as

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<v Speaker 1>grown ass adults. He was a football player, so I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure he came in with his own money. She was

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<v Speaker 1>a reality star. I'm sure she came in with hers.

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<v Speaker 1>I might be wrong, but that's and my guess is

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<v Speaker 1>from all of this that they do not have one.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you're listening, who cares what Jenfesler thinks. But

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<v Speaker 1>if you're interested, I care what Jenfesler thinks. Thank you, Heather,

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean I just feel like that would have

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's so much that we hear about the money, right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>especially with the Ariana of it all talking about how

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<v Speaker 1>they used her money. Actually thought if you guys watched

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<v Speaker 1>her on watch What has Ups Live recently and Kim

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<v Speaker 1>was there in the front row, and they handled that

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing beautifully. Like Kim said, I guess they she

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<v Speaker 1>had to pay the rent it was what it was,

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<v Speaker 1>or the mortgage or right. But that's that's a hard thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure their relationship was not easy, you know, when

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<v Speaker 1>Ariana realized what was going on with the money whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not the issue today, but I think that it

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<v Speaker 1>probably has what do you think, Heather, at least fifty percent,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe more. It has to do with the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>they don't have any money now. Now I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>where all that money went. I don't know they had

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<v Speaker 1>that huge mansion, right, I guess they lived extravagantly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I think listen, I think the fact that they're.

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<v Speaker 1>All kids still young.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, the oldest you know, of the kids,

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<v Speaker 2>the four that they've had together is fourteen. The youngest

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<v Speaker 2>the twins are eleven.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they're expensive.

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<v Speaker 2>Having young kids really does make divorce a lot more

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<v Speaker 2>complicated than when kids are older, because as you are

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<v Speaker 2>having that struggle with custody and visitation and all that

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<v Speaker 2>stuff that maybe you wouldn't have if the kids were

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<v Speaker 2>over eighteen. So I think that's a really you know, added.

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<v Speaker 1>You think so you think it has much to do

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<v Speaker 1>with that As money.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that money is probably a huge factor. But

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<v Speaker 2>when she's claiming things like stocking and stuff like that,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that that necessarily these claims have to

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<v Speaker 2>do with money. This is maybe no, no, right, this

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<v Speaker 2>might be underlying in terms of visitation and.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yes, agreed completely, I agree, But I think that

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes it gets so contentious so quickly, right, And they've

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<v Speaker 1>talked about this both publicly, when they're both so worried

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<v Speaker 1>about the finances and Kim, you know, selling off her things,

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<v Speaker 1>and a woman that is, you know, obviously she's lived well,

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<v Speaker 1>at least from what we've seen, a very affluent life,

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<v Speaker 1>and things have changed very not so quickly, but as

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<v Speaker 1>far as we've seen, and then it gets ugly. I

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<v Speaker 1>think a lot of times the fear, the financial insecurity

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<v Speaker 1>can lead to that kind of animosity that can then

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<v Speaker 1>spill over. And I'm not saying that I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what happened with the kids, and I don't know about

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<v Speaker 1>Kroy stalking her. I I wasn't there, so who knows,

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<v Speaker 1>But I just my feeling is that I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I would suggest people going into a marriage if everybody

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<v Speaker 1>is a little bit older and has their own stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>not that that's even always going to make it easier.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll piggyback on what you're saying, Jen, I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>it matters whether what stage of life you're in when

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<v Speaker 2>you come into the relationship. Really up is the best

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<v Speaker 2>way to go, And I think that's what you're getting

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<v Speaker 2>at is, next time, Kim Kroy, if you get married

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<v Speaker 2>again after this, get a prenup.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen. I mean, I love that you're putting that out there, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because I think there's people have lots of different ideas

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<v Speaker 1>about a prenup and a lot of I think young

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<v Speaker 1>people feel like it is predicting that the marriage is

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<v Speaker 1>going to end. Right, You're taking these vowels for forever.

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<v Speaker 1>What are you going to say?

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to say that, I hear that a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not It takes the romance out of the situation.

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<v Speaker 2>We've had some really amazing prenup people actually on this

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<v Speaker 2>podcast that have pointed out that if you get divorced,

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<v Speaker 2>the state that you live in has a say in

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<v Speaker 2>how your marital assets are divided, regardless if you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you decide to have a nice divorce or a contentious divorce. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>So approach your marriage the same way you would approach

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<v Speaker 2>your you know, financial portfolio, buying a house, anything like that.

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<v Speaker 2>It is protection for the what if you wouldn't buy

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<v Speaker 2>a house and not have house insurance, you wouldn't you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and things like that. It's like, that doesn't mean that

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<v Speaker 2>you hate your house if you were to buy a house,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that it's sometimes harder if one person is

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<v Speaker 1>coming into the marriage with a career, and I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>let's say that they both have careers, but one is

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<v Speaker 1>way more lucrative. Sure, and let's just go with the

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<v Speaker 1>traditional idea of this. It's not always true, please, don't

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<v Speaker 1>you know. But let's say a young woman is going

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<v Speaker 1>in and a young man and she knows she wants

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<v Speaker 1>to have babies and her career may not may or

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<v Speaker 1>may not. Again I'm generalizing, but may or may not

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<v Speaker 1>continue in a big way when she has kids. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>she wants to be a stay at home mom and

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<v Speaker 1>her soon to be husband is has a big job

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<v Speaker 1>and makes tons of money, and so I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>maybe the fear of if something happens and now the

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<v Speaker 1>kids are a certain age, I'm totally right. Like, but

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<v Speaker 1>I think, and you said you had some attorneys on

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<v Speaker 1>talking about this. If it's me and I'm advising my

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<v Speaker 1>daughter to take a look at like what what is

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<v Speaker 1>this going to look like down the road? Right, So

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<v Speaker 1>playing out those scenarios and saying, you know, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's probably very difficult to do. But if there

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<v Speaker 1>is a divorce at this point, and including that in

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<v Speaker 1>whatever contract you're signing, this is how much I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to walk away with, not just that he gets everything

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<v Speaker 1>that he had, and I get everything that I had,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's it, right, So I guess that's negotiable. Remember

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<v Speaker 1>in Sex and the City, when Charlotte was arguing with

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<v Speaker 1>Trey's mom, did you watch, Yeah, and because she wanted

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<v Speaker 1>Charlotte to sign a prenup and there's a scene and

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<v Speaker 1>I guess they wanted to give her whatever, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>five hundred thousand dollars and she's like, I'm worth a million.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you remember that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's during the divorce.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know that was before they got married.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, before they got married.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you remember her negotiating the million because she was

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<v Speaker 2>worth it?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes? Yes, because she said she was worth it. I

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<v Speaker 1>love that line.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I think that is important. You bring up

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<v Speaker 2>a great fact. But also people should remember prenups can

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<v Speaker 2>be updated and changed throughout the marriage. So if your

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<v Speaker 2>life looks one way before you get married and things

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<v Speaker 2>change with your career, maybe you weren't the bread winner

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<v Speaker 2>when you first got married, but then you became a

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<v Speaker 2>stay at home mom who made social content and you

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<v Speaker 2>grew a following and now you're getting brand deals. You

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<v Speaker 2>can change that. And it's called a post nup, and

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<v Speaker 2>you can change that. And make it reflect more about

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<v Speaker 2>what the marriage is looking like at that current time.

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<v Speaker 2>So people need to get a little bit out of

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<v Speaker 2>the everything is so black and white in your boxed

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<v Speaker 2>in forever and know that things can be negotiated and changed.

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<v Speaker 2>So I love that Jen saying get a prenup. I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 2>get a prenup. And also Kim and KROI get a

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<v Speaker 2>divorce coach. We have us divorce coach on this show

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<v Speaker 2>named Samantha Boss who really opened our eyes as to

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<v Speaker 2>what a divorce coach can do. Especially she does high conflict,

0:19:54.040 --> 0:19:59.360
<v Speaker 2>contentious divorces like this. It's way beyond mediation. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>anybody that's going through a contentious divorce right now or

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<v Speaker 2>is really struggling with an X that is making things

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<v Speaker 2>difficult should really go back and listen to that episode

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<v Speaker 2>because there's a ton of information as to why a

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<v Speaker 2>divorce coach is actually a huge asset when going through

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<v Speaker 2>something like this.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you say asset, I think of again, of

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<v Speaker 1>the finances of that, and I think, imagine the money

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<v Speaker 1>you could save on attorney's fees if you have someone

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<v Speaker 1>guiding you so that it's not contentious. And I you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I actually am going to go back. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>why I haven't listened to that episode and good stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't plan on having being divorced at

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<v Speaker 1>this point, but I still I want the information.

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<v Speaker 2>You want the info for sure to share.

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<v Speaker 1>With my friends. You know a lot of whom obviously

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<v Speaker 1>are going through it, and I really have. I've yet

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<v Speaker 1>to know a couple that got divorced that where it

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<v Speaker 1>was friendly at the beginning and during afterwards sometimes it

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<v Speaker 1>gets friendly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you're saying that conscious uncoupling like Gwyneth Paltrow

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<v Speaker 2>isn't a thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't with that. I can't even throw up in

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<v Speaker 2>I can't. I can't.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's a sad state of affairs, really sad. Kelly

0:22:14.680 --> 0:22:20.160
<v Speaker 1>Clarkson and her late ex husband Brandon. I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>is it? I thought it was beer stock blackstock, blackstock, blackstock.

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<v Speaker 1>Reebe McIntyre's step son. So he passed from melanoma recently,

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<v Speaker 1>and she's I guess she's feeling like the stress of

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<v Speaker 1>the divorce might have exacerbated, you know, the disease. And

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't know what I believe in terms of that.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I know people say that stress brings out,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, manifests physically, but it's so I was thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about this and how it must be so hard for her,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's so final and and it's been they

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<v Speaker 1>did They also had a very contentious uncoupling. So you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I was thinking about my grandparents, and both

0:23:08.040 --> 0:23:17.200
<v Speaker 1>of my grandmothers hated my grandfather's like nasty, nasty relationships,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think they resented the fact that back in

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<v Speaker 1>the day, when they were young people getting married, the

0:23:25.520 --> 0:23:28.479
<v Speaker 1>wife was expected to have You know, my nanna used

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<v Speaker 1>to say, a protein, a vegetable, and a starch on

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<v Speaker 1>the table when he got home, and he had nothing

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<v Speaker 1>to do with the kids, and he didn't. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>like go watch them play softball. There was the king

0:23:40.040 --> 0:23:44.160
<v Speaker 1>got home, he was served dinner. She had so much

0:23:44.200 --> 0:23:48.159
<v Speaker 1>resentment about the fact that he didn't really interact with

0:23:48.240 --> 0:23:51.720
<v Speaker 1>her or her boys, and so as they got older,

0:23:51.800 --> 0:23:56.719
<v Speaker 1>it was so ugly right between them. But once he died, Poppy,

0:23:56.800 --> 0:23:59.520
<v Speaker 1>I called him poppy. But once he died, she became

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<v Speaker 1>so sad and missed him so much, and both actually

0:24:04.040 --> 0:24:06.600
<v Speaker 1>both of my grandmothers talked about it, and unfortunately they

0:24:06.600 --> 0:24:11.320
<v Speaker 1>both died soon after their husbands passed. And they talked

0:24:11.359 --> 0:24:14.439
<v Speaker 1>so nicely about their husbands, and they were my They

0:24:14.440 --> 0:24:16.840
<v Speaker 1>weren't trying to impress me. I knew the relationships they

0:24:16.840 --> 0:24:20.560
<v Speaker 1>were my grandparents, But I think sometimes the finality right

0:24:20.680 --> 0:24:22.760
<v Speaker 1>of death like that. And I don't know if this

0:24:22.800 --> 0:24:25.240
<v Speaker 1>is what's going on for Kelly, but you look back

0:24:25.240 --> 0:24:28.440
<v Speaker 1>and you think I would have done things differently. I

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<v Speaker 1>would have said things differently. Maybe I would have been

0:24:30.480 --> 0:24:35.200
<v Speaker 1>more gentle, maybe I would have been more empathetic. And again,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know that's what Kelly's going through, but what

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<v Speaker 1>she's saying is reminding me of this like feeling of that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think both my grandmothers had that. They were so

0:24:46.920 --> 0:24:50.560
<v Speaker 1>hard on my grandfather's and there was nothing looking back,

0:24:50.600 --> 0:24:52.440
<v Speaker 1>there was nothing they could do to fix it. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think they both felt guilty about their partner. My

0:24:55.560 --> 0:24:59.560
<v Speaker 1>grandfathers were not saints, so there's that. But I feel

0:24:59.560 --> 0:25:03.800
<v Speaker 1>for Kelly Clarkson because she's carrying around, you know, that

0:25:03.880 --> 0:25:08.600
<v Speaker 1>guilt and feeling like the stress contributed to the cancer.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a hard thing to live with, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I listen. I think this whole situation is overall

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<v Speaker 2>really sad.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>They have, like you said, they had gone through a

0:25:20.600 --> 0:25:24.760
<v Speaker 2>difficult divorce a couple of years ago, and they have

0:25:24.800 --> 0:25:29.280
<v Speaker 2>two kids, you know, River eleven and son Remington, who's nine,

0:25:29.520 --> 0:25:34.040
<v Speaker 2>so you know, and this is all right, We don't

0:25:34.040 --> 0:25:37.160
<v Speaker 2>have any direct fact. This is just being reported right

0:25:37.160 --> 0:25:40.960
<v Speaker 2>now in the press that you know, although the timing

0:25:41.000 --> 0:25:45.359
<v Speaker 2>could be purely coincidental. This source says that Kelly knows

0:25:45.520 --> 0:25:48.880
<v Speaker 2>how much tension the divorce and the lawsuits put on them,

0:25:49.960 --> 0:25:52.879
<v Speaker 2>and they're saying that she's not blaming herself, but the

0:25:53.000 --> 0:25:56.159
<v Speaker 2>emphasize that she is conscious that the double whammy of

0:25:56.240 --> 0:25:59.360
<v Speaker 2>the divorce and the fact that he had to repay

0:25:59.400 --> 0:26:04.040
<v Speaker 2>her millions of dollars was very tough on him, and

0:26:04.080 --> 0:26:07.840
<v Speaker 2>it really brought up for me personally. I really appreciate

0:26:07.880 --> 0:26:12.159
<v Speaker 2>you sharing your insight in with your family. For me,

0:26:13.760 --> 0:26:17.120
<v Speaker 2>my parents were divorced when I was really young and

0:26:17.320 --> 0:26:21.640
<v Speaker 2>I lost my mom. It was just recently it's been

0:26:21.720 --> 0:26:27.240
<v Speaker 2>ten years, and I thank you. And I remember the

0:26:27.359 --> 0:26:32.600
<v Speaker 2>situation of my father navigating the grief of losing his

0:26:32.680 --> 0:26:37.359
<v Speaker 2>ex wife, and it was a really it was a

0:26:37.359 --> 0:26:42.040
<v Speaker 2>delicate dance. My dad is remarried, but I think that

0:26:42.119 --> 0:26:45.960
<v Speaker 2>there was an Obviously Kelly is, as far as we know,

0:26:46.119 --> 0:26:50.399
<v Speaker 2>is not in another public relationship at this time. But

0:26:50.520 --> 0:26:53.040
<v Speaker 2>I think that there was a time where my dad

0:26:53.080 --> 0:26:57.280
<v Speaker 2>felt that he wanted to grieve. Obviously, the woman that

0:26:57.480 --> 0:26:59.919
<v Speaker 2>he had a family with that he had children with,

0:27:00.160 --> 0:27:03.800
<v Speaker 2>but was also consciously, you know, trying to not lap

0:27:04.280 --> 0:27:06.800
<v Speaker 2>in terms of his own marriage. So I think that

0:27:06.800 --> 0:27:12.560
<v Speaker 2>that's an interesting situation to be in when I mean,

0:27:12.640 --> 0:27:15.399
<v Speaker 2>my parents definitely didn't have the easiest of divorce, but

0:27:16.600 --> 0:27:18.879
<v Speaker 2>once they were able to get through, it maintained a

0:27:19.040 --> 0:27:22.640
<v Speaker 2>very friendly relationship up until my mother's passing. I mean,

0:27:22.720 --> 0:27:26.960
<v Speaker 2>I love that very friendly. I would get together constantly

0:27:27.040 --> 0:27:29.399
<v Speaker 2>for dinner, even when we were grown and out of

0:27:29.400 --> 0:27:33.360
<v Speaker 2>the house, just the two of them, And so it

0:27:33.400 --> 0:27:36.640
<v Speaker 2>wasn't something that I was expecting when going through the

0:27:36.800 --> 0:27:40.880
<v Speaker 2>grief process to also be seeing my dad going through it,

0:27:40.960 --> 0:27:43.919
<v Speaker 2>which I mean, you think about it on paper, and

0:27:44.000 --> 0:27:46.199
<v Speaker 2>it does make sense. But I think that's what a

0:27:46.240 --> 0:27:50.919
<v Speaker 2>lot of people maybe don't think about when they've gotten divorced,

0:27:51.040 --> 0:27:53.480
<v Speaker 2>especially when we talk about some of these really contentious

0:27:53.520 --> 0:27:57.640
<v Speaker 2>divorces that are happening right Like if your ex spouse,

0:27:58.160 --> 0:28:00.720
<v Speaker 2>you know, is there one moment and gone then and

0:28:00.760 --> 0:28:06.919
<v Speaker 2>then you are ultimately a total single parent. That's a

0:28:06.960 --> 0:28:09.800
<v Speaker 2>lot to take on, especially again when these kids are

0:28:09.920 --> 0:28:12.040
<v Speaker 2>very young now to have lost their fathers.

0:28:12.280 --> 0:28:15.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that there's right. It's so multi dimensional.

0:28:16.000 --> 0:28:19.800
<v Speaker 1>It's imagine to sorrow for your kids, you know, it's

0:28:19.800 --> 0:28:22.000
<v Speaker 1>all it's so funny. It's all reminded me of Margaret

0:28:22.080 --> 0:28:25.000
<v Speaker 1>Joseph's and Joe Binigno, and Margaret was on the pod

0:28:25.080 --> 0:28:28.360
<v Speaker 1>and and her ex husband passed or ex husband jan

0:28:28.480 --> 0:28:30.520
<v Speaker 1>and it was all very public, it was on the show.

0:28:31.080 --> 0:28:34.879
<v Speaker 1>But how she felt it was hard because she you know,

0:28:35.400 --> 0:28:39.360
<v Speaker 1>she's married and they have a fabulous marriage, but at

0:28:39.360 --> 0:28:41.120
<v Speaker 1>the time she was really she had a really more

0:28:41.160 --> 0:28:43.640
<v Speaker 1>in her ex. They also had a friendly relationship. And

0:28:43.680 --> 0:28:47.680
<v Speaker 1>then also you know, feeling of if you're you went

0:28:47.720 --> 0:28:49.880
<v Speaker 1>through a contentious divorce. And I'm sure the kids always

0:28:49.880 --> 0:28:52.800
<v Speaker 1>know right they have even if they don't know, they

0:28:52.840 --> 0:28:55.880
<v Speaker 1>know that it's ugly between mom and dad. At least

0:28:55.880 --> 0:28:58.880
<v Speaker 1>that's what my therapist tells me. But so looking back

0:28:58.920 --> 0:29:02.080
<v Speaker 1>on that and and I don't there's something to be

0:29:02.160 --> 0:29:09.960
<v Speaker 1>said for really working towards an amicable split, and I

0:29:10.040 --> 0:29:12.360
<v Speaker 1>think there's you look at cases like this and it

0:29:12.360 --> 0:29:14.720
<v Speaker 1>gives you a lot of insight. I remember Kelly being

0:29:14.760 --> 0:29:17.840
<v Speaker 1>really angry, and I'm not saying she didn't have a

0:29:17.880 --> 0:29:21.680
<v Speaker 1>good reason to be, but I wonder if she had

0:29:21.680 --> 0:29:25.280
<v Speaker 1>known then what she knows now it would have been different,

0:29:25.520 --> 0:29:28.520
<v Speaker 1>she would have been maybe not. And I again, and

0:29:28.560 --> 0:29:30.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure he was really angry, and I don't know

0:29:30.320 --> 0:29:31.960
<v Speaker 1>what he was like to deal with. This has nothing

0:29:31.960 --> 0:29:34.400
<v Speaker 1>to do. I'm not I wasn't. I'm not making judge,

0:29:34.480 --> 0:29:37.840
<v Speaker 1>making a judgment. I'm just wondering, if you know, after

0:29:37.880 --> 0:29:41.560
<v Speaker 1>the finality of death, people do look back and wish

0:29:41.680 --> 0:29:45.440
<v Speaker 1>that they had done it differently, And it's a good

0:29:45.520 --> 0:29:48.080
<v Speaker 1>I just think it's a good It's some good insight

0:29:48.160 --> 0:29:50.520
<v Speaker 1>for anyone going through it. I'm not saying picture. I'm

0:29:50.560 --> 0:29:52.560
<v Speaker 1>sure many people going through the force wish their partner

0:29:52.600 --> 0:29:54.280
<v Speaker 1>was dead or think that they wish that their partner

0:29:54.400 --> 0:29:57.840
<v Speaker 1>was dead. But you know, there's nothing to be done now,

0:29:57.880 --> 0:30:01.480
<v Speaker 1>there's nothing that is. You can't change what happened. You

0:30:01.480 --> 0:30:04.280
<v Speaker 1>can't go back, and you know, I think about that

0:30:04.320 --> 0:30:08.040
<v Speaker 1>also a little off topic, but with my with my parents,

0:30:08.880 --> 0:30:13.480
<v Speaker 1>my father and I had a difficult relationship and it

0:30:13.520 --> 0:30:18.120
<v Speaker 1>was really difficult and now we are good and but

0:30:18.400 --> 0:30:22.240
<v Speaker 1>there's still stuff right and I also help my dad

0:30:22.480 --> 0:30:28.360
<v Speaker 1>financially and I do it. I don't want any I

0:30:28.360 --> 0:30:31.240
<v Speaker 1>don't want to look back. He's you know, he's eighty

0:30:31.280 --> 0:30:34.640
<v Speaker 1>three years old and wish that I had said something

0:30:34.920 --> 0:30:36.880
<v Speaker 1>that I didn't say. I wish that I had acted

0:30:36.880 --> 0:30:39.560
<v Speaker 1>in a way I didn't act or helped when I

0:30:39.560 --> 0:30:43.040
<v Speaker 1>didn't help. I want to I do these things for me, right,

0:30:43.240 --> 0:30:46.200
<v Speaker 1>That is what I've I've learned in therapy. And so

0:30:46.360 --> 0:30:48.440
<v Speaker 1>this relationship I have with him now, which is really

0:30:48.520 --> 0:30:55.000
<v Speaker 1>nice and warm and loving, I have I've worked like

0:30:55.240 --> 0:30:58.600
<v Speaker 1>very consciously in terms of like developing that because I

0:30:58.640 --> 0:31:01.040
<v Speaker 1>don't want to look back one day and regret not

0:31:01.160 --> 0:31:03.400
<v Speaker 1>having had a relationship with my dad, or you know,

0:31:03.400 --> 0:31:05.800
<v Speaker 1>I wish I had helped him more. But yeah, again

0:31:05.880 --> 0:31:11.240
<v Speaker 1>that's off topic, but I'm just saying that it's something

0:31:11.280 --> 0:31:13.040
<v Speaker 1>to think about. You know, these are lessons.

0:31:13.400 --> 0:31:16.320
<v Speaker 2>The sentiment is there for sure that life is short.

0:31:17.080 --> 0:31:21.160
<v Speaker 2>Do all that you can. And you know, we're obviously

0:31:21.200 --> 0:31:26.320
<v Speaker 2>wishing Kelly Clarkson and her kids and you know, Brandon's

0:31:26.360 --> 0:31:30.000
<v Speaker 2>family that has all been affected by his passing, we're

0:31:30.040 --> 0:31:32.600
<v Speaker 2>obviously all wishing them the best. And here we are

0:31:32.760 --> 0:31:35.360
<v Speaker 2>this difficult time because it is going to take time

0:31:35.720 --> 0:31:38.120
<v Speaker 2>to heal from something like this. It's that's a major

0:31:38.160 --> 0:31:38.720
<v Speaker 2>loss for that.

0:31:38.840 --> 0:31:45.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, agreed, Okay, but on to yet another couple,

0:31:45.640 --> 0:31:51.760
<v Speaker 1>who who's going through it? So Jay Cutler and excuse me,

0:31:51.880 --> 0:31:56.400
<v Speaker 1>Kristin Cavalary. So, I guess Kristin recently said that you

0:31:56.480 --> 0:32:01.080
<v Speaker 1>got no money from the divorce, right. What do you

0:32:01.120 --> 0:32:01.720
<v Speaker 1>think of that, Heather.

0:32:01.840 --> 0:32:05.280
<v Speaker 2>I think it's a little interesting because you know, Jay

0:32:05.480 --> 0:32:09.560
<v Speaker 2>kind of you know, got back at her recently in

0:32:09.600 --> 0:32:13.040
<v Speaker 2>an interview, and we can get into that. But these two,

0:32:14.920 --> 0:32:18.719
<v Speaker 2>these two have been divorced for a minute. Yeah, and

0:32:18.800 --> 0:32:23.360
<v Speaker 2>I think it's kind of telling that the both of

0:32:23.400 --> 0:32:27.040
<v Speaker 2>them can't really seem to stop talking about the other.

0:32:27.240 --> 0:32:30.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we are stuck in when did they get married

0:32:30.600 --> 0:32:32.480
<v Speaker 1>the eighties? I don't even know. No, maybe not.

0:32:33.880 --> 0:32:35.920
<v Speaker 2>They definitely didn't get married in the eighties.

0:32:35.640 --> 0:32:38.680
<v Speaker 1>Now lich longer. Sorry, guys, that's my age showing. They

0:32:38.760 --> 0:32:40.720
<v Speaker 1>just feels like they've been yeah, because they're not that old.

0:32:41.240 --> 0:32:44.080
<v Speaker 1>They're not that old. It feels like they've been married

0:32:44.120 --> 0:32:46.200
<v Speaker 1>and divorced and hate each other forever.

0:32:46.640 --> 0:32:50.400
<v Speaker 2>It's just really interesting. Like Kristen has obviously had other

0:32:50.560 --> 0:32:56.600
<v Speaker 2>public relationships romances since this divorce, and you know, the

0:32:56.640 --> 0:32:59.640
<v Speaker 2>stuff about Jay continues to come out. And I will say,

0:33:00.080 --> 0:33:02.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm a little bit torn on this because

0:33:02.960 --> 0:33:05.520
<v Speaker 2>I do. I have been a longtime fan of Kristen

0:33:05.640 --> 0:33:08.680
<v Speaker 2>and do love that she shoots straight. She gives it

0:33:08.760 --> 0:33:13.680
<v Speaker 2>honest and real on her podcast in interviews, she always

0:33:13.960 --> 0:33:16.600
<v Speaker 2>doesn't hold back right, and this is why people love her,

0:33:16.640 --> 0:33:19.840
<v Speaker 2>and this is why she has maintained, you know, what

0:33:19.960 --> 0:33:23.520
<v Speaker 2>could have been deemed as a five minutes in Hollywood

0:33:23.760 --> 0:33:26.800
<v Speaker 2>and really stretched that over the course of over a

0:33:26.840 --> 0:33:29.760
<v Speaker 2>decade now. And I think that that is really because

0:33:29.920 --> 0:33:33.160
<v Speaker 2>she is open and honest with her audience, and that's

0:33:33.200 --> 0:33:37.400
<v Speaker 2>why they love her now for all you know everything,

0:33:37.720 --> 0:33:40.960
<v Speaker 2>Jay you know, was a huge football career with the

0:33:41.040 --> 0:33:47.120
<v Speaker 2>Chicago Bears, and you know, after he retired, he and

0:33:47.200 --> 0:33:51.000
<v Speaker 2>Kristen had a reality show which really did open him

0:33:51.040 --> 0:33:53.360
<v Speaker 2>up to a new audience. We got to see his

0:33:53.520 --> 0:33:56.240
<v Speaker 2>kind of funny personality. And now I believe he's doing

0:33:56.240 --> 0:33:59.880
<v Speaker 2>sports broadcasting and stuff like that so in his post

0:34:00.040 --> 0:34:04.600
<v Speaker 2>retirement career. But you know, I really we should talk

0:34:04.640 --> 0:34:06.320
<v Speaker 2>about exactly what he said.

0:34:06.600 --> 0:34:10.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it made sense what he said. You know, he

0:34:10.440 --> 0:34:12.640
<v Speaker 1>said that there's not a judge in the state of

0:34:12.680 --> 0:34:16.759
<v Speaker 1>Tennessee that would have signed an agreement stating that Jay

0:34:16.760 --> 0:34:22.279
<v Speaker 1>would keep every single dollar he made throughout their marriage. Yeah,

0:34:22.280 --> 0:34:24.799
<v Speaker 1>he was. Apparently he was one of the was once

0:34:24.840 --> 0:34:29.480
<v Speaker 1>the highest paid quarterback in the NFL. He signed one

0:34:29.520 --> 0:34:35.120
<v Speaker 1>hundred and twenty six million dollar contract with the Chicago Bears.

0:34:36.040 --> 0:34:40.680
<v Speaker 1>And you know, saying that Kristen saying that she got

0:34:40.719 --> 0:34:44.920
<v Speaker 1>no money from the divorce, it definitely feels far fetched

0:34:44.920 --> 0:34:50.320
<v Speaker 1>to me. I can't read, okay, but also I guess,

0:34:51.040 --> 0:34:54.120
<v Speaker 1>and she has a whole lifestyle brand now right, she

0:34:54.280 --> 0:34:57.239
<v Speaker 1>done James, and that's making a ton of money from

0:34:57.239 --> 0:34:57.840
<v Speaker 1>what I'm reading.

0:34:58.719 --> 0:35:02.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and she she has maintained that she has one

0:35:02.120 --> 0:35:05.279
<v Speaker 2>hundred percent of that company and that she never took

0:35:05.360 --> 0:35:08.200
<v Speaker 2>outside funding and Jay did not have anything to do

0:35:08.239 --> 0:35:12.200
<v Speaker 2>with its creation, and that it's making you know, fifty

0:35:12.239 --> 0:35:15.839
<v Speaker 2>million a year in revenue, which, go girl, I think

0:35:15.880 --> 0:35:18.840
<v Speaker 2>that's awesome. You know, she said I have never gotten

0:35:18.840 --> 0:35:21.600
<v Speaker 2>a penny from my ex husband and added I didn't

0:35:21.600 --> 0:35:23.879
<v Speaker 2>get any money from him in the divorce. So let's

0:35:23.880 --> 0:35:25.279
<v Speaker 2>clear that up, thank you.

0:35:25.640 --> 0:35:28.959
<v Speaker 1>I mean that if you maybe she's saying she had

0:35:29.000 --> 0:35:32.239
<v Speaker 1>her own money and in her mind what she got

0:35:32.440 --> 0:35:35.120
<v Speaker 1>was was her I mean maybe that could be interpreted

0:35:35.360 --> 0:35:39.640
<v Speaker 1>different ways, but yes, it definitely sounds unlikely to me

0:35:40.520 --> 0:35:44.120
<v Speaker 1>that he was making one hundred and twenty six million

0:35:44.160 --> 0:35:47.400
<v Speaker 1>dollars and she walked away with nothing. That sounds implausible

0:35:47.440 --> 0:35:47.640
<v Speaker 1>to me.

0:35:47.800 --> 0:35:50.719
<v Speaker 2>And I'll also back it up with you and I

0:35:50.760 --> 0:35:53.920
<v Speaker 2>both know that divorce costs a lot of money. Divorce

0:35:54.000 --> 0:35:57.719
<v Speaker 2>lawyers are not cheap. So is it that she got

0:35:57.800 --> 0:36:00.799
<v Speaker 2>money but it went to paying divorce laws and she

0:36:00.840 --> 0:36:03.800
<v Speaker 2>didn't come out with a prophet that's a different story.

0:36:03.840 --> 0:36:06.439
<v Speaker 2>That doesn't mean you didn't get any money. It means

0:36:06.480 --> 0:36:09.400
<v Speaker 2>that your money went to paying for your divorce proceedings.

0:36:09.760 --> 0:36:12.719
<v Speaker 1>It just feels like it was probably so much money there.

0:36:13.960 --> 0:36:16.319
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but I would I would think if

0:36:16.400 --> 0:36:18.480
<v Speaker 1>Kristen was my daughter. You're right, she was not an

0:36:18.520 --> 0:36:19.560
<v Speaker 1>eighties girl.

0:36:19.920 --> 0:36:21.600
<v Speaker 2>No, Kristin and I are around the scene.

0:36:21.640 --> 0:36:25.640
<v Speaker 1>Okay, all right, okay, all right, piped down Heather. So,

0:36:25.960 --> 0:36:28.560
<v Speaker 1>but if Kristin was my daughter, which I guess she

0:36:28.600 --> 0:36:33.960
<v Speaker 1>could be, I would definitely be advising her to shh, stop,

0:36:34.640 --> 0:36:36.960
<v Speaker 1>just stop, especially because it seems that she's thriving.

0:36:37.760 --> 0:36:43.320
<v Speaker 2>She is thriving, and they have three kids. They are thirteen, eleven,

0:36:43.400 --> 0:36:47.799
<v Speaker 2>and nine, and so to me, it's also like, let's

0:36:47.920 --> 0:36:51.279
<v Speaker 2>zip it a little just because there's a great way

0:36:51.360 --> 0:36:54.400
<v Speaker 2>that it's getting back, not getting back to the kids.

0:36:54.160 --> 0:36:58.560
<v Speaker 1>At the Breed listen, and according to Jay, he says

0:36:58.880 --> 0:37:03.840
<v Speaker 1>her lifestyle brand was a marital asset because Kristen, you know,

0:37:04.320 --> 0:37:08.760
<v Speaker 1>funded the company while they were married. Another reason ladies

0:37:08.760 --> 0:37:10.920
<v Speaker 1>and gentlemen to get a prenup by the way, or

0:37:12.000 --> 0:37:17.600
<v Speaker 1>a post up exactly. But yeah, I just I it's

0:37:18.040 --> 0:37:22.319
<v Speaker 1>I would definitely advise if it's my daughter or my son,

0:37:22.480 --> 0:37:35.120
<v Speaker 1>I would be advising them both to zip it. Okay,

0:37:35.160 --> 0:37:40.800
<v Speaker 1>So here's some eighties news, Heather, it's not Kristin Larry.

0:37:41.880 --> 0:37:44.400
<v Speaker 2>I still don't think this is eighties news.

0:37:44.680 --> 0:37:48.120
<v Speaker 1>Kevin Federline is I mean, I'm saying he's he's talking

0:37:48.200 --> 0:37:50.759
<v Speaker 1>about his Brittany in his Kevin Federline has a new

0:37:50.800 --> 0:37:54.360
<v Speaker 1>book coming out, guys, but he's speaking about Britney. That

0:37:54.520 --> 0:37:55.640
<v Speaker 1>had to have been the eighties.

0:37:56.160 --> 0:37:56.399
<v Speaker 2>Jen.

0:37:56.800 --> 0:38:01.640
<v Speaker 1>No, yes, hold on a second. So Kevin Fetterline is

0:38:01.640 --> 0:38:03.240
<v Speaker 1>bringing his story.

0:38:03.000 --> 0:38:05.719
<v Speaker 2>They got married in two thousand and four and divorced

0:38:05.760 --> 0:38:07.000
<v Speaker 2>in two thousand and seven.

0:38:07.719 --> 0:38:13.600
<v Speaker 1>No, Jen, Oh my god, you guys, Okay, I'm not

0:38:13.640 --> 0:38:17.160
<v Speaker 1>a credible source. So what I'm old, Give me a break,

0:38:17.800 --> 0:38:19.080
<v Speaker 1>What do you want from me? I'm doing the best

0:38:19.080 --> 0:38:22.439
<v Speaker 1>I can be. Quiet, Heather, this is anyway he's going back.

0:38:22.480 --> 0:38:25.680
<v Speaker 1>What I'm saying is he's writing a book. Wait a second, Heather,

0:38:26.080 --> 0:38:28.879
<v Speaker 1>when I was in college. I went to college from

0:38:28.920 --> 0:38:33.239
<v Speaker 1>eighty six to ninety and while I was in college,

0:38:33.600 --> 0:38:36.600
<v Speaker 1>Britney Spears was doing her thing. Right.

0:38:37.200 --> 0:38:40.200
<v Speaker 2>No, Jen, she did not pop onto the scene until

0:38:40.280 --> 0:38:43.400
<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety nine. What are you talking about?

0:38:44.000 --> 0:38:45.640
<v Speaker 1>Are you sure someone look that up?

0:38:45.880 --> 0:38:48.640
<v Speaker 2>Britney Spears came out with her debut album in like

0:38:48.840 --> 0:38:52.440
<v Speaker 2>ninety eight, ninety nine. I know because she was my

0:38:52.600 --> 0:38:56.319
<v Speaker 2>first concert. She opened for n Sync and that was

0:38:56.680 --> 0:38:58.879
<v Speaker 2>January of nineteen ninety nine.

0:38:59.520 --> 0:39:03.840
<v Speaker 1>Quiet, fine, whatever, We'll move on anyway. The point is

0:39:03.840 --> 0:39:07.800
<v Speaker 1>it still feels like Kevin feederline is it's an interesting

0:39:07.920 --> 0:39:10.960
<v Speaker 1>time for him to be writing a book about and

0:39:11.040 --> 0:39:13.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm I think anybody would assume that it's going to

0:39:13.640 --> 0:39:15.080
<v Speaker 1>have a lot to do with Britney. This book. That's

0:39:15.080 --> 0:39:17.680
<v Speaker 1>what's going to make it so interesting, right. But also

0:39:17.760 --> 0:39:21.640
<v Speaker 1>apparently his son, their son just turned I don't know,

0:39:21.640 --> 0:39:24.439
<v Speaker 1>seventeen or eighteen, and I guess child support is over.

0:39:25.440 --> 0:39:29.600
<v Speaker 2>Yes, So the new book, his new his first memoir

0:39:29.840 --> 0:39:34.279
<v Speaker 2>is called You Thought You knew, and it's coming out

0:39:34.520 --> 0:39:40.080
<v Speaker 2>October twenty first, And yeah, I think it's really interesting

0:39:40.280 --> 0:39:44.840
<v Speaker 2>timing because him and Brittany have two sons, Sean Preston

0:39:44.960 --> 0:39:49.680
<v Speaker 2>and Jayden James. Sean is nineteen Jade and James recently

0:39:49.719 --> 0:39:55.160
<v Speaker 2>turned eighteen. So that and anybody that's followed the Britney

0:39:56.120 --> 0:39:59.880
<v Speaker 2>story knows that a couple of years ago, Kevin to

0:40:00.400 --> 0:40:04.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, full custody of the boys and was raising them.

0:40:04.360 --> 0:40:09.160
<v Speaker 2>So that means that Britney was paying child support. So

0:40:09.200 --> 0:40:12.640
<v Speaker 2>that obviously means that it's most likely done now that

0:40:12.680 --> 0:40:15.000
<v Speaker 2>they are eighteen. Now, who's to say that she's not

0:40:15.040 --> 0:40:18.799
<v Speaker 2>still supporting them in some way financially. But I think

0:40:18.840 --> 0:40:22.800
<v Speaker 2>it's really interesting that this is now when Kevin decides

0:40:22.840 --> 0:40:25.040
<v Speaker 2>to come out with a memoir. Now we also know

0:40:25.160 --> 0:40:28.160
<v Speaker 2>that Britney had her own memoir that came out and

0:40:28.320 --> 0:40:32.319
<v Speaker 2>is also being made into a movie. You know, I

0:40:32.440 --> 0:40:35.080
<v Speaker 2>just feel like, I don't know, you can you tell me.

0:40:35.920 --> 0:40:37.960
<v Speaker 2>I feel like Brittany, we all know, has been through

0:40:38.000 --> 0:40:41.560
<v Speaker 2>a lot, and it kind of bums me out that

0:40:41.680 --> 0:40:47.320
<v Speaker 2>now somebody else again in her life, in her inner circle,

0:40:47.880 --> 0:40:50.040
<v Speaker 2>is going to try a buck off of her.

0:40:50.200 --> 0:40:52.879
<v Speaker 1>I gotta tell you guys something, Heather, you are one

0:40:52.960 --> 0:40:58.719
<v Speaker 1>amongst many. But but Britney lovers like people that I

0:40:58.880 --> 0:41:01.840
<v Speaker 1>know younger than me, but that grew up on Brittany.

0:41:02.640 --> 0:41:06.840
<v Speaker 1>They are emotional about everything Brittany. They get so upset.

0:41:07.719 --> 0:41:13.640
<v Speaker 1>My friend and my manager loves Brittany, Like, don't you

0:41:13.800 --> 0:41:17.040
<v Speaker 1>say a bad word about Brittany. I remember even when

0:41:17.080 --> 0:41:20.719
<v Speaker 1>I was recording season we were doing filming Season fourteen,

0:41:21.200 --> 0:41:24.200
<v Speaker 1>Rachel Fuda, we had a whole funny thing about Brittany

0:41:24.239 --> 0:41:27.520
<v Speaker 1>because you do not diss Brittany in front of her.

0:41:27.640 --> 0:41:30.759
<v Speaker 1>So people get very sensitive about Brittany. And I think

0:41:31.640 --> 0:41:36.840
<v Speaker 1>probably because she's definitely seemed over the years to be

0:41:37.520 --> 0:41:42.400
<v Speaker 1>she's always struggling, you know, with her mental health. With paparazzi,

0:41:42.880 --> 0:41:44.520
<v Speaker 1>we all watched her shave her head and take the

0:41:44.520 --> 0:41:48.719
<v Speaker 1>baseball back to the car and so talented, right, was

0:41:48.760 --> 0:41:49.960
<v Speaker 1>so much to offer this world.

0:41:50.480 --> 0:41:54.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I think anybody who's listened or read her memoir,

0:41:55.160 --> 0:41:59.319
<v Speaker 2>it was eye opening. It was extremely sad to hear

0:41:59.400 --> 0:42:06.240
<v Speaker 2>about how she has been internally struggling this past you know, decade. Really,

0:42:07.520 --> 0:42:09.840
<v Speaker 2>So I will play a little bit of Devil's advocate

0:42:09.920 --> 0:42:12.680
<v Speaker 2>in the sense that. Because I did read Britney's memoir,

0:42:12.760 --> 0:42:15.399
<v Speaker 2>I do know that Kevin was mentioned quite a bit

0:42:15.520 --> 0:42:18.000
<v Speaker 2>in it because he is a big chunk and important

0:42:18.040 --> 0:42:21.319
<v Speaker 2>part of her life. He was her second husband and

0:42:21.480 --> 0:42:26.080
<v Speaker 2>the only one that she had children with. So you know,

0:42:26.719 --> 0:42:30.920
<v Speaker 2>I will say that Kevin does have the right to

0:42:31.400 --> 0:42:34.480
<v Speaker 2>write a book and mention Brittany and talk about his life.

0:42:34.520 --> 0:42:38.040
<v Speaker 2>He says, you know that it's going to be extremely

0:42:38.120 --> 0:42:43.000
<v Speaker 2>intimate and transparent when it comes to this book. And

0:42:43.440 --> 0:42:47.320
<v Speaker 2>if anybody didn't know, prior to being with Britney, Kevin

0:42:47.719 --> 0:42:51.080
<v Speaker 2>was a professional dancer. He danced with my major in

0:42:51.280 --> 0:42:52.960
<v Speaker 2>Pink Destiny's Child.

0:42:53.320 --> 0:42:56.600
<v Speaker 1>Right, he was a dancer. He was back, Yeah, he was.

0:42:56.840 --> 0:42:59.200
<v Speaker 2>He was dancing for her. So he was also with

0:42:59.239 --> 0:43:02.520
<v Speaker 2>shar Jackson prior to being with Brittany. So he had

0:43:02.680 --> 0:43:06.719
<v Speaker 2>a child or two children with her. Right, it's not

0:43:06.840 --> 0:43:09.279
<v Speaker 2>a life, you know. I won't deny that.

0:43:09.600 --> 0:43:11.040
<v Speaker 1>But you're protective over Brittany.

0:43:11.480 --> 0:43:13.160
<v Speaker 2>I just think it's a little bit of a bummer

0:43:13.400 --> 0:43:16.680
<v Speaker 2>that this keeps happening to her, and I just want Brittany.

0:43:16.680 --> 0:43:18.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to say leave Brittany alone, which is

0:43:19.000 --> 0:43:22.400
<v Speaker 2>obviously the famous quote, but I do want Brittany to

0:43:23.080 --> 0:43:25.600
<v Speaker 2>have a you know, I wish her a lot of

0:43:25.600 --> 0:43:28.279
<v Speaker 2>peace and to have a different lifestyle now that you

0:43:28.320 --> 0:43:32.600
<v Speaker 2>know she's gone through her second public divorce with Sam.

0:43:32.760 --> 0:43:36.040
<v Speaker 1>I'd love Brittany. I love her music, and I've certainly watched,

0:43:36.280 --> 0:43:40.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, what she's been through, and but I can't

0:43:40.160 --> 0:43:45.000
<v Speaker 1>begrudge him, you know, trying to make the big bucks,

0:43:45.080 --> 0:43:47.640
<v Speaker 1>and I think it will sell. There's that.

0:43:48.160 --> 0:43:50.000
<v Speaker 2>I think so too, and I think it's going to

0:43:50.040 --> 0:43:51.000
<v Speaker 2>get a lot of attention.

0:43:51.400 --> 0:43:53.759
<v Speaker 1>We just feel bad for Brittany, is basically what you're saying.

0:43:53.760 --> 0:43:56.080
<v Speaker 1>And I don't. I do too, but I I have

0:43:56.120 --> 0:44:00.120
<v Speaker 1>to say that, you know, man's got to eat. I

0:44:00.160 --> 0:44:02.160
<v Speaker 1>don't know, and and maybe there are there are other

0:44:02.160 --> 0:44:05.520
<v Speaker 1>ways to do it, But you know, I also do

0:44:05.880 --> 0:44:11.719
<v Speaker 1>think that Brittany obviously, I'm I'm thrilled when her Conservative

0:44:11.920 --> 0:44:16.680
<v Speaker 1>conservatorship was thrown out right, but she still to me,

0:44:17.040 --> 0:44:22.319
<v Speaker 1>doesn't seem well and maybe how I you know, I

0:44:22.360 --> 0:44:25.600
<v Speaker 1>see her dancing like everybody's kind of teases about her

0:44:25.680 --> 0:44:30.120
<v Speaker 1>dancing with knives, and she seems a little a little unglued.

0:44:30.200 --> 0:44:34.279
<v Speaker 1>But I'm on the shrink. But having said all that,

0:44:34.360 --> 0:44:36.640
<v Speaker 1>I wonder what it's been like for him and his

0:44:36.800 --> 0:44:40.560
<v Speaker 1>boys dealing with that, right, because they don't deal with

0:44:40.560 --> 0:44:42.160
<v Speaker 1>it like we deal with it. We watch it and

0:44:42.160 --> 0:44:46.239
<v Speaker 1>we feel badly or we you know, feel sometimes even

0:44:46.280 --> 0:44:49.640
<v Speaker 1>amused seeing everything seems so wild. And but for him,

0:44:49.680 --> 0:44:52.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure that's been very hard. Certainly it has to

0:44:52.200 --> 0:44:54.600
<v Speaker 1>have been for his boys. So he has a story

0:44:54.719 --> 0:44:59.480
<v Speaker 1>to tell. And I, you know, don't I don't wish

0:44:59.520 --> 0:45:02.520
<v Speaker 1>that on, you know, any more sadness or any more

0:45:02.560 --> 0:45:07.480
<v Speaker 1>controversy for Brittany. But I don't know. I sort of

0:45:07.480 --> 0:45:11.000
<v Speaker 1>feel like I don't blame him. How's that?

0:45:11.680 --> 0:45:14.439
<v Speaker 2>I agree? And I get again, you know, she's come

0:45:14.440 --> 0:45:17.120
<v Speaker 2>out with hers talked about him. I guess he has

0:45:17.160 --> 0:45:18.839
<v Speaker 2>every right to come out with his own now and

0:45:18.880 --> 0:45:21.359
<v Speaker 2>talk about her. So we'll stay glued to it. It's

0:45:21.400 --> 0:45:24.680
<v Speaker 2>coming out October twenty first you thought you knew, So

0:45:24.880 --> 0:45:27.560
<v Speaker 2>we'll keep you guys updated on that one.

0:45:27.719 --> 0:45:29.440
<v Speaker 1>It's a good title, it is.

0:45:29.480 --> 0:45:30.640
<v Speaker 2>It is kind of a good title.

0:45:30.719 --> 0:45:34.000
<v Speaker 1>I do like that, right, I do too. You want

0:45:34.000 --> 0:45:35.880
<v Speaker 1>to talk to Jessica Alba and Cash Warren?

0:45:36.200 --> 0:45:38.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean we got to end this episode on

0:45:38.440 --> 0:45:39.800
<v Speaker 2>some positives.

0:45:41.760 --> 0:45:44.680
<v Speaker 1>We could do. Katy Perry and Justin Trudeau. I just

0:45:44.719 --> 0:45:46.920
<v Speaker 1>thought it was justin throw Justin Trudeau.

0:45:47.520 --> 0:45:49.680
<v Speaker 2>Justin Trudeau is different than Justin.

0:45:50.040 --> 0:45:53.360
<v Speaker 1>Through Okay, see this, I hadn't heard about this one before.

0:45:53.400 --> 0:45:57.280
<v Speaker 1>The Katy Perry in my mind, she's just like split

0:45:57.320 --> 0:45:59.000
<v Speaker 1>with Orlando, so she did.

0:45:59.200 --> 0:45:59.640
<v Speaker 3>She did know.

0:46:00.320 --> 0:46:03.160
<v Speaker 2>That's what I think is amazing that we should let

0:46:03.160 --> 0:46:05.440
<v Speaker 2>our listeners know is that there is light at the

0:46:05.480 --> 0:46:07.319
<v Speaker 2>end of the tunnel, and some people are finding that

0:46:07.400 --> 0:46:20.919
<v Speaker 2>light a little sooner than maybe others are. We got

0:46:20.920 --> 0:46:24.160
<v Speaker 2>to end on something positive because, like you know, Jessica

0:46:24.239 --> 0:46:28.160
<v Speaker 2>Alba and Cash Warren, they were together for married for

0:46:28.280 --> 0:46:30.920
<v Speaker 2>sixteen years, and at the top of this year they

0:46:30.960 --> 0:46:34.360
<v Speaker 2>announced that they were separating and going through the divorce motions,

0:46:34.640 --> 0:46:38.359
<v Speaker 2>which was pretty shocking. I think to anybody that has,

0:46:39.200 --> 0:46:42.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, followed either Jessica through her launching of The

0:46:42.440 --> 0:46:47.600
<v Speaker 2>Honest Company or her you know, acting career, nobody really

0:46:47.640 --> 0:46:49.560
<v Speaker 2>saw kind of trouble in Paradise.

0:46:50.280 --> 0:46:53.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they always presented. They're so gorgeous, exactly, and they

0:46:54.200 --> 0:46:57.480
<v Speaker 1>just right always presented, at least to me on red carpets,

0:46:57.520 --> 0:47:01.399
<v Speaker 1>is just madly in love and yeah, this really beautiful

0:47:01.760 --> 0:47:02.759
<v Speaker 1>power couple.

0:47:02.800 --> 0:47:07.160
<v Speaker 2>Exactly, and they've got three kids seventeen, fourteen, and seven.

0:47:08.320 --> 0:47:10.480
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, that was pretty shocking at the top of

0:47:10.520 --> 0:47:13.640
<v Speaker 2>this year for them to announce that. But it looks

0:47:13.680 --> 0:47:16.720
<v Speaker 2>like they are both moving on in their own ways

0:47:16.800 --> 0:47:20.520
<v Speaker 2>and are doing quite well. So Cash was seen for

0:47:20.640 --> 0:47:25.160
<v Speaker 2>the second time holding hands with Hannahson Doer I will

0:47:25.320 --> 0:47:29.320
<v Speaker 2>say is how it's pronounced having dinner in Los Angeles,

0:47:29.400 --> 0:47:32.400
<v Speaker 2>so that a lot of sources are saying makes it

0:47:32.440 --> 0:47:36.799
<v Speaker 2>official because they've been seen twice holding out. So I

0:47:36.840 --> 0:47:39.920
<v Speaker 2>mean take that with a grain of salt. But you know,

0:47:40.120 --> 0:47:43.399
<v Speaker 2>I think definitely, when you're a public figure and you're

0:47:43.440 --> 0:47:47.680
<v Speaker 2>out there holding hands, getting you know, snapped by the paparazzi,

0:47:48.440 --> 0:47:50.480
<v Speaker 2>it means that you're comfortable or you're cool with people.

0:47:50.520 --> 0:47:54.279
<v Speaker 1>See Hopefully, it means that you've also talked to your kids, hope,

0:47:54.280 --> 0:47:55.840
<v Speaker 1>and that they knew it was coming. I mean to

0:47:55.880 --> 0:47:59.280
<v Speaker 1>think of the Mauricio of it all when he was snapped.

0:47:59.680 --> 0:48:03.120
<v Speaker 1>Oh and yeah, right, that is the thing. I mean,

0:48:03.160 --> 0:48:06.920
<v Speaker 1>all roads lead back to the kids, and that's you know,

0:48:07.160 --> 0:48:09.640
<v Speaker 1>that's the part that it gets it gets really where

0:48:09.680 --> 0:48:10.640
<v Speaker 1>it gets really sticky.

0:48:11.080 --> 0:48:13.440
<v Speaker 2>What I would say about the most situation, which is

0:48:13.440 --> 0:48:18.720
<v Speaker 2>a little different than this is these two Cash and Hannah.

0:48:18.800 --> 0:48:22.560
<v Speaker 2>They're holding hands, they're smiling, and they're looking exactly like

0:48:22.719 --> 0:48:24.000
<v Speaker 2>directly to the camera.

0:48:24.120 --> 0:48:26.759
<v Speaker 1>They're not getting caught, so their kids are probably and

0:48:26.800 --> 0:48:28.560
<v Speaker 1>you don't know how long they've been in the midst

0:48:28.600 --> 0:48:31.560
<v Speaker 1>of separating and what the kid right of course exactly.

0:48:31.160 --> 0:48:34.960
<v Speaker 2>So I'm gonna toss it out there that they're probably

0:48:35.000 --> 0:48:38.319
<v Speaker 2>feeling good about this relationship. It seems to be progressing,

0:48:38.680 --> 0:48:42.279
<v Speaker 2>whatever it is. But also I kind of love that.

0:48:42.600 --> 0:48:45.760
<v Speaker 2>You know. We've also seen paparazzi photos of Jessica Alba

0:48:46.200 --> 0:48:50.960
<v Speaker 2>and Danny Ramirez, so they've been spotted kissing. We've actually

0:48:51.000 --> 0:48:55.680
<v Speaker 2>seen pictures of them kissing, and you know, she seems

0:48:55.680 --> 0:48:59.759
<v Speaker 2>to be happy. She was recently also like vacationing and

0:48:59.840 --> 0:49:02.800
<v Speaker 2>like posting some really hot photos of herself in a bikini.

0:49:04.040 --> 0:49:07.080
<v Speaker 2>So it seems like they're both doing their thing.

0:49:07.400 --> 0:49:11.799
<v Speaker 1>Well listen, yeah, it does. I again, since they're from

0:49:11.800 --> 0:49:20.160
<v Speaker 1>the eighties, I love it, and I'm there i'm their

0:49:20.160 --> 0:49:23.200
<v Speaker 1>mother's age, but I probably am. But I would just

0:49:23.200 --> 0:49:26.640
<v Speaker 1>tell them I would beg of them, don't rush, don't

0:49:26.680 --> 0:49:29.319
<v Speaker 1>rush into the next thing, and and and all those

0:49:29.360 --> 0:49:33.920
<v Speaker 1>cliches you know, I feel like there are cliches for

0:49:33.960 --> 0:49:38.120
<v Speaker 1>a reason. You don't want your rebound to end up

0:49:38.160 --> 0:49:40.440
<v Speaker 1>being your Oh, although I'm not saying it never works right,

0:49:40.520 --> 0:49:44.560
<v Speaker 1>Maybe maybe that's what's going on here, But be very

0:49:44.560 --> 0:49:50.120
<v Speaker 1>careful about rebound relationships, you guys. They are sticky. Your

0:49:50.120 --> 0:49:55.040
<v Speaker 1>emotions are all over the place, especially when you are

0:49:55.080 --> 0:49:56.680
<v Speaker 1>coming out of a marriage. And I'm not saying that

0:49:56.760 --> 0:50:01.239
<v Speaker 1>maybe each maybe Jessica and Cash have now found true

0:50:01.239 --> 0:50:05.320
<v Speaker 1>happiness with these other, you know, two people, but careful, careful,

0:50:05.880 --> 0:50:09.600
<v Speaker 1>slowed it down. Danger warning ahead, danger ahead.

0:50:10.280 --> 0:50:15.200
<v Speaker 2>Well let's end. Let's end on this other interesting headline

0:50:15.239 --> 0:50:20.360
<v Speaker 2>that we're seeing, which is Katy Perry and former Prime

0:50:20.360 --> 0:50:24.600
<v Speaker 2>Minister of Canada Justin Trudeau are dating.

0:50:25.440 --> 0:50:27.080
<v Speaker 1>And so at first when I read that, Heather, I

0:50:27.080 --> 0:50:30.120
<v Speaker 1>thought it was Justin Threau. Just so, you know, so

0:50:30.239 --> 0:50:32.600
<v Speaker 1>everything I have to I have to sort of this

0:50:32.680 --> 0:50:34.799
<v Speaker 1>is all. This is so bizarre to me. I have

0:50:34.880 --> 0:50:38.800
<v Speaker 1>to now Justin Threau would have made sense. Justin Trudeau.

0:50:39.200 --> 0:50:41.799
<v Speaker 1>He's gorgeous, so whatever you want to say about him,

0:50:42.120 --> 0:50:46.759
<v Speaker 1>man is handsome exactly. Obviously Katie is gorgeous as well.

0:50:46.800 --> 0:50:51.120
<v Speaker 1>And but what I know, I can't I'm trying to

0:50:51.239 --> 0:50:54.080
<v Speaker 1>like you explained that to me?

0:50:54.160 --> 0:50:57.040
<v Speaker 2>How did that? How bizarre? So, I mean the headline

0:50:57.080 --> 0:51:00.400
<v Speaker 2>says that they have plenty to talk about, but no

0:51:00.560 --> 0:51:05.280
<v Speaker 2>current plans after date. So if anybody's been paying attention

0:51:05.480 --> 0:51:10.560
<v Speaker 2>to the headlines, these two were spotted having dinner together

0:51:11.680 --> 0:51:15.800
<v Speaker 2>and then two days later, Trudeau was spotted at Katy

0:51:15.880 --> 0:51:22.840
<v Speaker 2>Perry's show in Montreal. So you know, Katie is fresh

0:51:22.960 --> 0:51:27.400
<v Speaker 2>off of her broken engagement with Orlando Bloom, who she

0:51:27.600 --> 0:51:31.600
<v Speaker 2>had a child with though they were never married. Obviously,

0:51:31.800 --> 0:51:34.040
<v Speaker 2>if everybody can go back in their brains, they know

0:51:34.239 --> 0:51:37.719
<v Speaker 2>that Katie was previously married to Russell Brand, so she

0:51:37.800 --> 0:51:41.400
<v Speaker 2>definitely is in her Part two Part three era.

0:51:41.840 --> 0:51:44.520
<v Speaker 1>These come on the pod for some reason, not if

0:51:44.560 --> 0:51:49.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm I feel like maybe maybe if Jenny Garth or

0:51:49.680 --> 0:51:50.879
<v Speaker 1>Amy and TJ.

0:51:51.160 --> 0:51:54.400
<v Speaker 2>Listen always open to Katie coming on, if she would

0:51:54.480 --> 0:51:56.719
<v Speaker 2>be interested in that, Yeah, Kati, you hear that.

0:51:58.120 --> 0:51:58.359
<v Speaker 1>Justin.

0:51:58.440 --> 0:52:03.279
<v Speaker 2>Trudeau, on the other hand, and and his wife Sophie,

0:52:03.840 --> 0:52:06.480
<v Speaker 2>announced in August of twenty twenty three that they were

0:52:06.520 --> 0:52:12.240
<v Speaker 2>separating after eighteen years of marriage and they have two children,

0:52:13.400 --> 0:52:18.440
<v Speaker 2>so that's a really long relationship to have ended. And

0:52:18.480 --> 0:52:23.000
<v Speaker 2>then obviously if you're following politics whatsoever. You know that

0:52:23.280 --> 0:52:27.440
<v Speaker 2>he also stepped down as Prime Minister of Canada not

0:52:27.480 --> 0:52:30.360
<v Speaker 2>too long ago. So he's definitely going through a big

0:52:31.400 --> 0:52:35.239
<v Speaker 2>shift right now in terms of his not only work life,

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<v Speaker 2>but his personal life. So, you know, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I will say that the pictures I saw of them

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<v Speaker 2>on their date, I was like, uh, you know, attractive couple,

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<v Speaker 2>and obviously.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh they're dating. I don't even I will be.

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<v Speaker 2>I will be totally honest. I have followed Katy Perry's

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<v Speaker 2>romantic life probably more than I would care to admit,

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<v Speaker 2>and I will say that I really don't get what

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<v Speaker 2>her type is. I say that honestly.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, okay, ready, don't cringe. She kissed a girl

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<v Speaker 1>and she liked it. Ew ew, I'm so cringey. Oh

0:53:08.160 --> 0:53:10.680
<v Speaker 1>my god, my kids would be so pissed. Don't listen.

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<v Speaker 1>Rachel or Zach.

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<v Speaker 2>Having a long term relationship with you know, John Mayer,

0:53:17.360 --> 0:53:21.960
<v Speaker 2>being married to Russell Brand, you know, being with Orlando Bloom.

0:53:22.280 --> 0:53:24.520
<v Speaker 2>I look at all these guys on paper, and I say,

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<v Speaker 2>what's the connection? You know what I mean? Because it

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<v Speaker 2>all seems so different. And so now he's getting into

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<v Speaker 2>a politician like it's all go girl, Like jan.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, this is again, this is just me

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<v Speaker 1>starting trouble. But do you think that part of it

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<v Speaker 1>is could be a rebrand for her?

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

0:53:42.080 --> 0:53:47.359
<v Speaker 1>She got so much about her, you know, her astronaut

0:53:48.000 --> 0:53:54.319
<v Speaker 1>escapades and maybe, yeah, I don't know, I'm just that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just making up you guys. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>that's I can't imagine that Justin Trudeau would be interested

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<v Speaker 1>in helping someone and rebrand themselves. But yeah, he's certainly

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<v Speaker 1>a more serious guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen, what I'm going to say is I think that Katie,

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<v Speaker 2>I would say, probably has an affinity. If you look

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<v Speaker 2>at all these guys on paper, I think the one

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<v Speaker 2>factor that I'm seeing kind of combine across the thing

0:54:18.440 --> 0:54:21.880
<v Speaker 2>is they're all really good engaging talkers. I think she

0:54:22.160 --> 0:54:27.200
<v Speaker 2>likes a guy that is, whether that's gregarious or engaging

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<v Speaker 2>in stimulating conversation, that would be.

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<v Speaker 1>My guest interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>And I would say that Justin Trudeau probably is able

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<v Speaker 2>to have some very stimulating conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I'm a betting girl. I'm betting on Justin to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to carry a conversation exactly. But it's always

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<v Speaker 1>like that look at j Loo. I mean, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know how you compare. There have been a lot of them,

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<v Speaker 1>Alex rod Well, actually they're all maybe not her first

0:54:50.239 --> 0:54:54.200
<v Speaker 1>husband was not so famous and successful. I don't remember,

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<v Speaker 1>but certainly from you know, Ben Stiller to Alexdrigez too.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, sorry, you mean Ben Affleck, not Ben Stiller.

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<v Speaker 1>Not doing this podcast anymore? I quit. No, I do

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<v Speaker 1>not like how you're treating me. I'm sorry, I do

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<v Speaker 1>not like it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not having it.

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<v Speaker 2>I would have just loved Jen Fessler breaks headline, j

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<v Speaker 2>Loo used to be with Ben Stiller.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't say Stiller. You did know what I thought

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<v Speaker 1>this had been? Oh god, I said Stiller. Oh no,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god. I love it.

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<v Speaker 3>Jen.

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<v Speaker 2>It's early.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen it. When you need an authority on anything, you

0:55:33.880 --> 0:55:35.720
<v Speaker 1>should come to me. If you want to know about marriage,

0:55:35.719 --> 0:55:38.560
<v Speaker 1>and really ask Jen Fssler. I think Bessler. Is that

0:55:38.640 --> 0:55:39.239
<v Speaker 1>my last name?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I think I was born in the eighties, so I

0:55:41.560 --> 0:55:44.440
<v Speaker 1>have a lot of I have a lot of knowledge

0:55:44.440 --> 0:55:44.960
<v Speaker 1>to impart.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it. Whoa well, I will say whatever this

0:55:49.600 --> 0:55:53.879
<v Speaker 2>little budding romance is connection, whatever it might be, I'm

0:55:53.920 --> 0:55:56.480
<v Speaker 2>into it. Not that they need my stamp of approval.

0:55:56.800 --> 0:55:58.440
<v Speaker 2>But I'm kind of into it. What about you?

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<v Speaker 1>Into it too? Crazy Katie Perry fan, She's cute, talented.

0:56:04.239 --> 0:56:07.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm not a stan, but I think this is I

0:56:07.640 --> 0:56:12.160
<v Speaker 1>think it's a really interesting recoupling or coupling. Right. Yeah, yeah,

0:56:12.160 --> 0:56:13.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm into it. I agree, follow it.

0:56:14.320 --> 0:56:17.040
<v Speaker 2>I agree, We'll keep We'll keep you guys. Also posted

0:56:17.040 --> 0:56:19.920
<v Speaker 2>on that one. If it ends up, you know, progressing

0:56:19.960 --> 0:56:20.480
<v Speaker 2>to something.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, did you get the puppy or not?

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<v Speaker 2>Soon? Soon?

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<v Speaker 1>Very Heather's about to have her next chapter ye, because

0:56:28.800 --> 0:56:32.719
<v Speaker 1>she is adopting a King Charles Cocker Spaniel puppy. I

0:56:32.760 --> 0:56:38.520
<v Speaker 1>saw a picture, and my girl, everything's about to change.

0:56:38.640 --> 0:56:40.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm about to be a dog mommy.

0:56:40.480 --> 0:56:42.360
<v Speaker 1>You're about to be a dog mommy.

0:56:43.040 --> 0:56:45.799
<v Speaker 2>It's about to get crazy. No, very very soon.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so excited for you. But anyway, guys, so now

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<v Speaker 1>that you're all updated on eighties News, we will thank

0:56:54.760 --> 0:56:55.480
<v Speaker 1>you for listening.

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<v Speaker 2>This has been fun, Jen, thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>Please let's do it again. Yeah, of course, I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like we are the new Johnny Carson and McMahon, who

0:57:05.680 --> 0:57:07.319
<v Speaker 1>you probably don't even know what I'm talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds like some eighties news.

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<v Speaker 1>All Right, you guys, that was a lot of divorce headlines.

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<v Speaker 1>If you are going through divorce or heartache right now,

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<v Speaker 1>I hope this helped you to realize that you are

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<v Speaker 1>not the only one going through it. Thank you Heather

0:57:21.240 --> 0:57:24.880
<v Speaker 1>again for breaking it all down with me. Just get

0:57:24.920 --> 0:57:28.280
<v Speaker 1>out of a messy divorce. Need help picking up pieces?

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