1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Bombshell. Tonight, in the last 2 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: twenty four hours, Nolan Wills's family hits social media giants 3 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: subpoena ing Nolan's accounts. I mean, is he Grace, This 4 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being 5 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 1: with us. 6 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 2: He was a face down on the beach, right at 7 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 2: the water's edge. 8 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 3: If he was sent based down, that also doesn't make 9 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 3: sense to me. He's based down, wouldn't flood pool just 10 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 3: by nature of gravity this way. 11 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 4: So right now we've got a lot of questions. But 12 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 4: as the second doctor says, this is all still pending investigation. 13 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: If this were your child, wouldn't you want to know 14 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: what happened? 15 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 5: The mom asked for Nolan's phone, right, was there a 16 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 5: struggle over. 17 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 4: It or. 18 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 6: Just handed it over? I mean, we didn't think anything 19 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 6: of it, Like, you know, she asked for Nolan's phone. 20 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 6: We knew they were close friends with you know, the 21 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 6: Wells family, and she just we just but my buddy 22 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 6: went out to his truck and handed the phone over, 23 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 6: no complications, no issue, and you know nothing. But I 24 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 6: mean I told miss Christine that we had his phone 25 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 6: and he had left it in our possession on the boat. 26 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 7: When did you when did you talk to her about that? 27 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 6: When I was on No, I didn't talk to her once, 28 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 6: Like it was like twelve thirty. I mean I might 29 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 6: have texted her a couple of times and like you know, 30 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 6: talked briefly about a couple of things, but I never, 31 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 6: you know, I never. I told her on the phone 32 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 6: before I called the co Scar that we had Nolan's 33 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 6: phone before I called miss Christine. Well, we none of 34 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 6: us had a reason to go through Dylan's phone. I mean, 35 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 6: there's multiple phones on the boat. Why would it be 36 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 6: in the in the boat was having issues. Why would 37 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 6: our concern be getting on Nolan's phone or something. I mean, 38 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 6: I don't know Nolan's passed word. None of my friend 39 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 6: ends do. We had no reason ever to get on 40 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 6: no One's phone and look at anything. I don't even 41 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 6: touched no One's phone. None of us touched Nolan's phone 42 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 6: until somebody took it off the boat and put in 43 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 6: a watch truck, and then one no one touched it 44 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 6: until we handed it back, you know to the mom 45 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 6: that was at my buddy's house. 46 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: That is from the Officer Tatum show. He has interviewed 47 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 1: several of the young men that were on the boat 48 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: when Nolan Else was taken to Horn Island. They say 49 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: he was not on the boat on the return trip, 50 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: although audio seems to suggest otherwise. Listen to the Mississippi 51 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: Department of Marine Resources call. 52 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 8: Can you tell us a send? SIVICKI speaking? How can 53 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 8: I help you? 54 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 9: We're the worst tip of porn and h our billage 55 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 9: stopped work and we're going we're thinking, can you all please? 56 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:05,359 Speaker 7: Can we have a membership? 57 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 1: All right? 58 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 8: Of course? How far is the coming up? Sir? Can 59 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 8: you give me a description? Ankles? 60 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 7: Hey? 61 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 8: Yes, how far is the water coming up? 62 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 7: Sir? 63 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 9: Uh, it's coming up. It's it's we're just thinking. 64 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: I don't know, like we're just we're going down there. 65 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 8: All right, Well, let's get you going. Membership number phone 66 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:33,079 Speaker 8: number listed on the count Sir. 67 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 7: I don't know the number. 68 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 9: It's it's either I think it's try that all right, 69 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 9: I know we have a membership like guaranteed. 70 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: I don't do you have a. 71 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 8: Membership number and anything? It's okay, I'll get you over 72 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 8: to the captain. What's the best one number to reach 73 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 8: you at? 74 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: Reach me particular phrases in that call. If it's to 75 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: be believed, no, one don't sure he's dead. Is he dead? Nolan? OMG, 76 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: Wake the f up? It goes on. I thought he 77 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: was on the check his chest. That, if it's to 78 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: be believed, suggests that Nolan was on that boat. Tatum says, 79 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: the witnesses are clear he was not on the boat. Tonight, 80 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: we learned in the last twenty four hours, the Nolan 81 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: Wells family hits social media giants with subpoenas for all 82 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: information related to Nolan's phone. First straight out to Dave 83 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: Matt Crime Stories, investigative reporter. Then we will be joined 84 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: by Brandon Tatum. Dave mac what's happening right now? 85 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 10: Nancy, the family of Nolan Wells, has announced that they 86 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 10: are going after day of subpoena documents for Nolan Wells phone, 87 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 10: they go onto the media giants like you know, TikTok, Instagram, 88 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 10: the meta companies, everybody that Nolan Wells used to push 89 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 10: out videos of what he was doing in pictures, and 90 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 10: they're trying to They believe that some material was deleted 91 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 10: from Nolan's phone, and this is what they're trying to 92 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 10: prove with the subpoenas to get all of the information 93 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 10: as well as by the way the location tracking app 94 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 10: Life three sixty see yet Snapchat, WhatsApp, TikTok, Meta platforms 95 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 10: and Life three sixty. 96 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 7: All of this the court documents already filed. 97 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 1: Dancy Nolan Wills's family slapped subpoenas on multiple social media 98 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 1: giants seeking his account information and data this into the 99 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: investigation of the team college football player's mysterious death. They 100 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 1: were issued in the last twenty four hours, including Snapchat, WhatsApp, TikTok, 101 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: Meta plat forms, Life three sixty and these are, according 102 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 1: to court documents demanding the company's turnover all materials info 103 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 1: related to Nolan's accounts. This includes current and prior user names, passwords, 104 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: email addresses, phone numbers, even displaying names displayed names. They 105 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: want IP addresses associated with every account, all communications, chats, posts, stories, 106 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: and info. His cell phone has become a key a 107 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 1: critical issue in the probe into Nolan's death. What happened 108 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: to Nolan now? His mother, Christine says when her son's 109 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 1: phone was brought to the family, they had concerns because 110 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: there were no pictures or videos on either of his 111 00:06:55,640 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 1: snap Chat accounts, triggering their fear items may have been deleted. 112 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: That's what's happening. There's been a lot of controversy. We're photos, 113 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: we're texts deleted, we're snaps deleted. We've been trying to 114 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: figure it out. But we're seeing through a mirror darkly. 115 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: We don't know, but according to experts, a trail will 116 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: be left if anything has been deleted, even if you 117 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: delete it from the deleted file. Now joining us special guests, 118 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: Brandon Tatum. You know him well. He's a former police 119 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: officer with Tucson PD. That's what impresses me, what impresses 120 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: a lot of other people is he is the star 121 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: of the Officer Tatum. Officer Tatum, thank you for being 122 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: with us tonight. Questioned to you. You interviewed as we 123 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: played at the get go several of Nolan's friends. Did 124 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: they show you photos, videos, snaps of that day on 125 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: Horn Island? 126 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 5: Well, Nancy, thank you so much for having me on. 127 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 5: I interviewed. I spoke to four of the boys that 128 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 5: are originally accused of being involved in Nolan Wells's death, 129 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 5: and they did show me a lot of evidence. I 130 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:23,119 Speaker 5: want people to be very clear with this. I spend 131 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 5: my career putting people in jail. My career is based 132 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 5: on getting justice for people who have been done wrong. 133 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 5: I've never been a defense attorney, so me going out 134 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 5: and doing this was to find out what happened to 135 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 5: Nolan Wells. And in talking to these young men, the 136 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 5: burden of proof is they're gonna have to prove to me. 137 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:43,319 Speaker 5: I'm not gonna listen to what they say out of 138 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 5: their mouth. They're gonna have to show me. And in 139 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 5: many cases, they showed me videos of Nolan on the island. 140 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:51,679 Speaker 5: They showed me videos of the boat when they were 141 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 5: getting told out, which is which is consistent with, you know, 142 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:57,719 Speaker 5: kind of similar to what the phone call was. I mean, 143 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:00,199 Speaker 5: they showed me pictures of them with Nolan, they showed 144 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 5: me phone records of them calling Nolan's mom, and all 145 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 5: of the above. 146 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 7: So they seemed very consistent. 147 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 5: They seemed very genuine, and they also proved to me 148 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 5: some of the things that they had told me in 149 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 5: the interview that I had with them that I have 150 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 5: uploaded on my YouTube channel. 151 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:22,199 Speaker 1: Officer Tatum, are you telling me that they had reception 152 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: on Horn Island? Because many people are saying, well, the 153 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 1: reason that there's nothing on Nolan's phone of that day, like, 154 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: there's no pictures, there's no snaps, there's no text, there's 155 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: no anything, not because it was deleted, but because he 156 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 1: didn't have reception. But you're telling me the other boys 157 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:51,079 Speaker 1: did have snaps, photos, videos and reception. 158 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 7: Good. 159 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:54,839 Speaker 5: No, no, Nancy, let me clarify this for you. It 160 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 5: wasn't that they uploaded this online. They showed me videos 161 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 5: and things that they took from the boat during the 162 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 5: outing on fourth of July. I was personally out at 163 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 5: Horn Island. I rode out there on a boat and 164 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 5: I didn't have great reception there, and I left my 165 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 5: phone in the boat when I got into the water 166 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 5: and we were actually going out to do interviews. 167 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: Objection, objection. You've been caught long enough to know you're 168 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 1: gonna get objections. You said you didn't have great reception, 169 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 1: but you did have reception, did you not? 170 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 5: No, there was reception there, it just wasn't great and 171 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 5: it wasn't great enough for people, in my opinion, to upload. 172 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 5: You can make a phone call potentially, but you wasn't 173 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 5: gonna upload data to a social media account. Now, could 174 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 5: people take the steps to do it? If they're dedicated enough. Yes, 175 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 5: but it doesn't appear that that would been a frequent 176 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 5: would have been a frequent thing given the fact that 177 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:54,599 Speaker 5: you probably had one or two bars out there, and 178 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 5: I heard evidence of that. Not only did I see 179 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 5: evidence of it when I went out there myself personally 180 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 5: with myself, when I listened to the c TOE call, 181 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 5: you could tell that the. 182 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 7: Call dropped out several times. 183 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 5: It seemed like they were having trouble at Tom's hearing 184 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 5: each other. So it is consistent in anybody that travel 185 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 5: out there, that have gone to the fourth July celebration, 186 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:16,479 Speaker 5: they know that the reception. 187 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 7: Is not very great. 188 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:19,959 Speaker 5: So the videos that they showed me and call ogus 189 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,679 Speaker 5: were things that were not associated to social media, that 190 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 5: they never posted on social media. It was, you know, 191 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 5: pictures and videos that they took on their phone. 192 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: Okay, let me refine my question. I take it from 193 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 1: your last answer that the answer is yes, you had 194 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 1: reception on Horn Island. 195 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 7: Yes, I did have reception on Hornyle. 196 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: We just played that c toe call. It's two words 197 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: seat ow and it's kind of insurance that people have 198 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: that are boat goers and if you have a problem, 199 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:57,359 Speaker 1: c toe will come and tow you back to the mainland. 200 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: They said they had a problem. They said they were 201 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 1: taking on water. One of your takes is that all 202 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: the chatter that we're hearing, wake up, Nolan, wake up? Noan, 203 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 1: Are you dead? No one? Wake the f up? No 204 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: one could be referring to the battery, the bills on 205 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:26,559 Speaker 1: the boat. That it's all unclear regarding the boat being disabled. 206 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: Apparently it was not listen though. 207 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 11: First at nine fifty six a m. The boat leaves 208 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 11: the original doc. It arrives at Horn Island at eleven fourteen, 209 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 11: So at around four o'clock there is a call to 210 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 11: the coastguard about the boat. NBC News got a hold 211 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 11: of it. 212 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 8: We're thinking get and if everybody on board and good 213 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 8: health otherwise Yeah, yeah, everybody. 214 00:12:55,800 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 11: Everybody's on board. So does that mean Nolan is on there? 215 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 11: Who was on that boat? At four point thirty one, 216 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:08,959 Speaker 11: the boat leaves Horn Island and it is towed approximately 217 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 11: three miles and then the tow ends, so after three 218 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 11: miles they go back to the original dock. Okay, they 219 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 11: arrive at five forty four pm. So it looks like 220 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 11: this is where Horn Island is and this is where 221 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:30,680 Speaker 11: the original dock is that I am referring to. 222 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:31,719 Speaker 6: I looked it. 223 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:36,319 Speaker 11: Up and El Camino Real Road is in Gulf Hills, Mississippi, 224 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 11: which is right above Ocean springs. So I'm wondering if 225 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:44,439 Speaker 11: this is the house where they got the phone. Now, 226 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 11: the boat travels to Fort Bayou. At six oh six, 227 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 11: the boat returns to the original dock. Then from the 228 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 11: original dock, the boat goes back to Fort Byu and 229 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 11: then they go to the boat launch and it is 230 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 11: put onto the trailer and moved by the vehicle. Did 231 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 11: they drop people off at the original dock, travel to 232 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 11: Fort Bayou, pick somebody up, and go back to that 233 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 11: original dock and then from there? Why was there an 234 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 11: hour and thirteen minute time gap? This boat was sinking 235 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 11: hours before and then they're just having it docked for 236 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 11: an hour and thirteen minutes. You would think they'd want 237 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 11: to get that boat out of the water asap. 238 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: That from the real TikTok Detective crime stories with Nancy Grace. 239 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: The boat wasn't sinking. They told CTO it was sinking. 240 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: What's the truth? Was it sinking and they repaired it? 241 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: Did they have a leak and they repaired it and 242 00:14:55,240 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: kept on sop Brandon Tatum joining us former cop now 243 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: star of the Officer Tatum, did the young man explain 244 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: those travels we just identified. 245 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, one hundred percent they did that. I wish that 246 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 5: people on the internet would have had an opportunity and 247 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 5: they can go look at the interview that I did 248 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 5: with Warren, but they had an opportunity to actually talk 249 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 5: to these young men to get this in perspective, because 250 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 5: some people have no idea how boats function and how 251 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 5: they work. 252 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 7: They explained to me. 253 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 5: They took me on a boat and showed me exactly 254 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 5: where they went, where they docked, where did they stop at, 255 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 5: how did they get the bills pumped and the water 256 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 5: out of the boat, and all of the above. So 257 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 5: they were sinking, they were taking on water. The water 258 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 5: came up high enough that the batteries weren't working. They 259 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 5: had to get a tow to kind of tow them 260 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 5: out where you could see the young ladies saying about 261 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 5: three miles out. It's a complicated boat's jargon. But they 262 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 5: ended up getting the boat out. They ended up getting 263 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 5: it to the point where they could run the boat, 264 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 5: run the water out of the boat through a hole 265 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 5: in the boat. That they ended up plugging. They explained 266 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 5: all this. Anybody that does boat you know exactly what 267 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 5: they're talking about if you hear them explain it on 268 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 5: the interview. So they have an explanation for all of 269 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 5: these things. And not only that, Nancy, they showed me 270 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 5: video of them on the boat and Nolan was not 271 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 5: on the boat. 272 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 7: Nolan was not on the. 273 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 5: Boat log and there are people who saw Nolan on 274 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 5: the island closer to around six pm, which is far 275 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 5: after they left, far after this phone call was made. 276 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 7: I saw text messages. 277 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 5: From the young lady that Nolan was with. The young 278 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 5: lady named Katie. I saw her text message. In her 279 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 5: text messages, she say that she heard the boys yelling 280 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 5: for Nolan to get on the boat. 281 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 7: He did not. 282 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 5: She said in her text message that she did not 283 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 5: see Nolan get on the boat he came on, which 284 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 5: was Wide's boat, which is the boat that was sinking, 285 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 5: and they ended up leaving on So it wasn't just 286 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 5: a statement that they made on a podcast. They were 287 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 5: actually showing me evidence to the contrary of what the 288 00:16:56,120 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 5: mainstream YouTubers and some media outlets are putting out today 289 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 5: to people at large, and so I wish that people 290 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:06,679 Speaker 5: would go watch the interview or at least take some 291 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 5: time to listen to these boys statements. And I'll say 292 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 5: this Nancy too. I wish that the family would have 293 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 5: taken the time, or at least Benjamin Crump would have 294 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 5: taken the time to reach out to the lawyers or 295 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 5: reach out to these young boys to get their statements, 296 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 5: so they're not wasting their time sending everybody on a 297 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 5: rabbit trail. 298 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 7: When they could have just talked to these boys. 299 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 5: And they could have, but they refused because I saw 300 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 5: a message from Warren where. 301 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 7: He called Nolan's mom twice. 302 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 5: I've seen messages from Nolan Warren's stepmother, Ashley, where she 303 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 5: sent nolan mom a text saying, please reach out to 304 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 5: me whenever you're ready. 305 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 7: I would like to talk. Other parents. 306 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 5: I saw messages from who reached out to Nolan's mom 307 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 5: saying we need to talk. Can we talk? I'm available 308 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 5: if you need to talk to us. I do not 309 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:59,160 Speaker 5: understand at this point why Benjamin Crump would go out 310 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 5: and put misinformation out online when he had the availability 311 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,400 Speaker 5: to talk to these kids and clear these things up 312 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 5: like I did before he presented this to the public. 313 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 5: We also reached out to Benjamin Krump four times, and 314 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 5: on the fifth time they come back and tell us 315 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 5: that the family is not doing interviews. We didn't ask 316 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 5: to talk to the family. We asked to talk to 317 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 5: the attorney, Benjamin Krump. Why so we can come together 318 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:27,640 Speaker 5: as a community and solve what happened to Nolan Wells, 319 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 5: not create in Stoke division, which is what I've seeing 320 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 5: from data, Benjamin. 321 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 1: Because exactly what we're trying to do. And I hear 322 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:40,400 Speaker 1: everything you're saying, and you know, I think like a prosecutor. 323 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 1: My main goal is to find the truth of what 324 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:46,880 Speaker 1: happened to Nolan Wells. And one thing I cannot get 325 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 1: away from is the medical examiner. I'm trying to get 326 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:55,360 Speaker 1: to tonight's news, which I'm going to get to. But oh, 327 00:18:55,520 --> 00:19:02,120 Speaker 1: you were seeing video from wlox speaking of thinking is 328 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 1: at an alleged issue with the boat build well. Randy 329 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: and Bunny on TikTok have their interpretation of that. 330 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 8: Watch this Cito assistants VICKI speaking, how can I help you? 331 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 9: Hey, we're at the west tip of porn and our 332 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 9: dollage stocks work and we're going we're thinking, can you'll 333 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 9: please can we have a member? 334 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 7: Should all right? 335 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 6: Of course? 336 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 8: How far is the water coming up? 337 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:29,400 Speaker 12: Sir? 338 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 8: Can you give me a description? Ankles about? Hey, yes, 339 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 8: how far is the water coming up? Sir? 340 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:42,679 Speaker 7: H it's coming up. 341 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,159 Speaker 1: It's we're just thinking. I don't know, like we're just 342 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 1: we're going down there. That from Randy and Bunny on 343 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 1: TikTok Joe Scott Morgan very quickly before I can get 344 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 1: into why the family believes they need subpoenas to social 345 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: media giants to get the truth about what happened to 346 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 1: Nolan's phone. Anybody can say anything after the fact. Those 347 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:11,199 Speaker 1: boys may be innocent, they can look like choir boys 348 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:16,640 Speaker 1: angels now. But I still don't know what happened on 349 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:21,400 Speaker 1: that boat, and I still see conflicts. Can they be reconciled? 350 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 1: I hope so, But until they are, we're on it. 351 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 1: This is what I can't get away from control room. 352 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: Please show Joseph Scott Morgan the autopsy diagram of the 353 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: victim's occipital bone. Okay, I don't care what anybody says. 354 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 1: I do not care if an archangel lands on this 355 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:51,199 Speaker 1: anchor desk, if he lies to me, I'm using handcuffs 356 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: for his wrists and a rope for his wings. You 357 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:56,880 Speaker 1: hear me, look at that again, put it back up. 358 00:20:58,960 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 7: He hi. 359 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 1: Deep reddening subcutaneously on the back of his head, nowhere else. 360 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 1: It's not on his neck the back of his neck anyway. 361 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: Don't see it on the back. Don't see it anywhere 362 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: else on the body. So I really don't want to 363 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:22,679 Speaker 1: hear a lame explanation that it's it's lividity of the 364 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 1: blood sinking to the back of the body. Number one, 365 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: the body was on its face, But that said, they 366 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: kept the neck and the lungs lung to see if 367 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:35,959 Speaker 1: he drowned neck, why would they keep his neck. I 368 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 1: can't get away from this, Joe Skott Morgan, and I 369 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 1: don't care how angelic the friends appear, and they may 370 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: be angels. I don't know that yet. You can't get 371 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:46,400 Speaker 1: away from this, Morgan. 372 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:48,719 Speaker 4: No, you can't. And we can't get away from it 373 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 4: until the investigation is concluded on the part of the 374 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 4: State Medical Examiner's Office and the authorities and in Mississippi. 375 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 4: And I can promise you this. You know, as day 376 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 4: is long, they're not going to release this information because 377 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 4: it's an ongoing investigation. I know everybody wants it. Now, 378 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 4: what we do have is a second view. We've got 379 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 4: a second set of eyes on this from a highly 380 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 4: accomplished forensic pathologist, I might add, former chief Medical Examiner 381 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:18,640 Speaker 4: for DC and he went over Nolan's body very very thoroughly, 382 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 4: and he he in his statements relative to this area, 383 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:26,199 Speaker 4: states that he cannot make heads or tails of it 384 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 4: at this point in time because it's compromised this area 385 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 4: I'm referring to in the excipital area of the head 386 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 4: because it has been compromised through decomposition. Now, he did 387 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 4: a multi layer dissection, and what that means is layer 388 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 4: by layer, the skin SubQ fat down through the muscle, 389 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 4: which had not previously been done in this manner according 390 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 4: to him. I don't even know if it's annotated in 391 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,400 Speaker 4: the State and Medical Examiner's report because it hasn't been 392 00:22:56,440 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 4: released yet. They're still waiting. It's pending multiple things. How 393 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 4: many times have we heard this over the years. They're 394 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,640 Speaker 4: doing their own histological studies, which means the tissue samples 395 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 4: and also the big part to this, Nancy is going 396 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 4: to be the tox coology, and we know that that 397 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 4: takes some time and it's not just going to be 398 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 4: about alcohol. It's going to be everything in the spectrum. 399 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: Back to Officer Tatum, star of the Officer Tatum on YouTube. 400 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: Have the friends taken polygraphs? 401 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 5: Well, from my understanding, all but I believe one took 402 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,919 Speaker 5: a polygraph and from what was told to me that 403 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 5: they all passed, and all of the ones that took 404 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 5: a polygraph took one without a lawyer and so, and 405 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 5: they cooperated with law enforcement. So from my understanding, everybody. 406 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: Took a pol's understand did they tell you they took 407 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: a polypathy? 408 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,479 Speaker 5: They told yes, ma'am. They told me that they did it. 409 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 5: I wasn't there, so that's why I'm saying. From my understanding, 410 00:23:56,200 --> 00:24:00,160 Speaker 5: they told me that all the boys except one, which 411 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,159 Speaker 5: is Warren, I believe, took a polygraph test. All of 412 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 5: them did not have lawyers and did it and cooperated 413 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 5: with police. Warren also cooperated police. I just believe he 414 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 5: didn't take a lot of tech the tests. But Warren 415 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 5: is the young man that I interviewed. So according to 416 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 5: what they told me, they all took a lot of 417 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 5: tech tests and passed. 418 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,640 Speaker 7: And it's an equivalent of a lot of tech tests. 419 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,199 Speaker 5: It's not a traditional a lot of tech tests, but 420 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 5: it's the same theology of trying to get to if 421 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 5: a person is lying. I don't know the name of it. 422 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 5: It's an equivalent of a lot of technicals. It's a 423 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 5: different methodology. Yeah, I don't believe it was a polygraph test. 424 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 5: I believe they took other stressors in order to analyze it. 425 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:39,640 Speaker 1: Did they take a polygraph? 426 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 5: Would be no, Well, yeah, I think it could be 427 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 5: semantics because they took a test to analyze whether or 428 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 5: not they were being truthful in their statements, and that 429 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 5: certified test they passed it. It just wasn't considered a 430 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 5: traditional photograph. 431 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:56,199 Speaker 7: I think it's a more advanced way of doing it. 432 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: Old on a nut shell A nutshell a nutshell, Joe Scott. 433 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:11,880 Speaker 1: There is a difference between a polygraph, which measures all 434 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 1: sorts of body signals you're sweat, you're breathing, your heart, 435 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 1: your blood pressure, all sorts of things, and an audio, 436 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: an audio verification test. Big difference. 437 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:24,120 Speaker 7: Yeah. 438 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,199 Speaker 4: Yeah, So the audio is you're looking for stressors in 439 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 4: the voice, and these people are highly trained that do this, 440 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,880 Speaker 4: and I'm you know, look, you know, you know how 441 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 4: the courts feel about these tests. Are they admissible or not. 442 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 4: But I think that going to Brandon's point, the fact 443 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 4: that they have taken these, at least those named allegedly 444 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 4: have taken these according to him, I think that that's significant. 445 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 7: Now. 446 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,120 Speaker 4: Whether or not that this is going to be usable 447 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 4: a usable investigative tool is hard, hard to measure. 448 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: I didn't ask if it's going to be used in court. 449 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: That's a whole other animal. Will burn that bridge when 450 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 1: we there. Okay, there may never even be a court case. First, 451 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 1: I gotta find out what happened to no one. Okay, 452 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 1: so let's not put the cart before the horse. You've 453 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 1: got eye detections tests. I don't put any stock in 454 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 1: that as to whether somebody's lying. You've got nonverbal communication 455 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 1: experts claiming they can tell, you've got brain wave analysis, 456 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 1: you got all sorts of things. I want to Polly. 457 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: I'm not saying they did anything or they didn't do anything. 458 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 1: Go strap up, take me a Polly. Officer Tatum, star 459 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: of the Officer Tatum on YouTube. I've been told, but 460 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 1: I can't verify that the boat in question has been 461 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,920 Speaker 1: searched by scent dogs and cadaver dogs. Is that true? 462 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,400 Speaker 5: I'm not familiar if that's true, let me just clarify. 463 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 5: The test that they took was a voice stress analysis 464 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 5: test instead of what we call the traditional polygraph test. 465 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 5: But I'm not familiar with the David dog searching the boat. 466 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,439 Speaker 5: I wasn't informed that that was the case. But I 467 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 5: was told by the boys that they did not wash 468 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 5: the boat off or do any of those things. 469 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 7: That they were accused of doing. 470 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 5: You know, after this incident, right, And I say, based 471 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 5: on all the things that I've heard, it appears that 472 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 5: they've been very truthful with me and law enforcement. They've 473 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 5: already communicated with law enforcement very early on. 474 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 1: Okay, Officer Tatum, coming from you, I do give that 475 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: credence because you were a Tucson PD. I've had people 476 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 1: sit down, look me right in the face and lie 477 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:34,159 Speaker 1: and they are so convincing. So I don't know who's 478 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 1: telling the truth. I don't know what happened, and that's 479 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 1: why I really resent people suggesting the investigation be sut 480 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 1: shut down. We're not doing that until we know what happened. 481 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: Officer Tatum interviewed multiple of the young men on that boat. Now, 482 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 1: let me address what's happened in the last hours. The 483 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 1: family is not buying what they are saying that nothing 484 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: was deleted. They're not saying they're lying. They're not saying 485 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:10,120 Speaker 1: they're telling the truth. They have hit social media giants 486 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: with subpoenas once and for all to get everything there 487 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:20,360 Speaker 1: is to get about Nolan Wells' digital Okay, straight out 488 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 1: to doctor Jim Jones, joining us out of Virginia Jones, 489 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 1: doctor Jones, Cybersecurity, digital forensics expert, Digital Forensics Program Director, 490 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 1: Associate Professor George Mason, University. Okay, can't argue with that. Okay, 491 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: doctor Jones, what will the evidence reveal? Let's just start 492 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: on Nolan Wills's cell phone. Let's start with snap Snapchat. 493 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 13: Sure, so on his cell phone, any images taken for 494 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 13: whatever app were going to be stored locally, at least temporarily. 495 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 13: So Snap is one of those apps that deletes the 496 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 13: picture afterwards. The key here is that when digital files 497 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 13: are deleted, the data does not immediately go away, So 498 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 13: the data is left intact at least for fractions of 499 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 13: a second, sometimes ours days, weeks. So what they'll find, 500 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 13: assuming that they have access to the unencrypted data on 501 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 13: the phone, is they will find bits and pieces of 502 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 13: old text messages, videos, pictures taken and that might reveal 503 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 13: something that they can timestamp to the event in question, 504 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 13: Yet the picture is not still in the active files 505 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 13: that would suggest a delete. 506 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 1: Crime stores with Nancy Grace, Doctor James, I'm just a 507 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 1: trial lawyer. I need you to explain carefully what you 508 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 1: just said. Let me ask you some pointed questions. Snap 509 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 1: is different, very different. Hold on, doctor, Let me go 510 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 1: to to Tanya Jordan, chief parent officer at Bark Parental Controls, 511 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: author of Parenting in a Tech World. Snap as a 512 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: whole another can of worms. The other night, example, my 513 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 1: son and I John David, we both love Kung Fu, 514 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 1: were watching The Ultimate hip Man and I fell asleep. 515 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: It's two o'clock in the morning. I woke up and 516 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 1: I looked at him. He's furiously on his phone, and 517 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: of course that raises a red flag. Why is your 518 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 1: son on the phone at two am? I said, Son, 519 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: what are you doing? And he said, I'm responding to 520 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 1: a snap. I'm like, let me see who's snapping you 521 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 1: at two o'clock in the morning. It's some freaky dude 522 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 1: in his underwear on the other side of the world. 523 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 1: He went gross number one and he said, they disappear 524 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 1: of kay Snap, what is it? 525 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 2: Snap is an app that was developed to send disappearing 526 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 2: nudes many many years ago. So it's wild and today 527 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 2: now flock to that app and parents allow it, myself included, 528 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 2: I regret letting my son have that app. So now 529 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 2: fast forward today, children think that this media disappears because 530 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 2: that's the user interface presented to them, But the media 531 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 2: does not disappear. Children sitting on either side of them 532 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 2: can take a picture with their phone, and that data 533 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 2: lives on Snap servers because, as we know, law enforcement 534 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 2: has had a heck of a time subpoenaing them and 535 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 2: getting access to it. 536 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 1: Okay, that's gibberish. So does a Snap disappear? 537 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 2: A Snap appears to disappear to a user. So if 538 00:31:55,640 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 2: I send a Snap, and let's say, Nancy, you send 539 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 2: me a Snap, when I open it up, it disappears 540 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 2: from my view. But that media, that photo, that video 541 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 2: that you sent me, it is still alive in Snap's ownership. 542 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 1: Okay. So what that means to me as a trial 543 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: lawyer is I can subpoena and I can see it. Yes, Okay, 544 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 1: that made perfect sense. Now I get it. So my 545 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: son is telling the truth that it disappeared, Yes, him, 546 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 1: to him, but not to snap. Okay, all right, what 547 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 1: about what's app that doesn't disappear? 548 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 2: Correct, WhatsApp does not disappear. But WhatsApp is also purported 549 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 2: to be encrypted, So Meta moved in a very big 550 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 2: disappointment to anybody who cares about child safety to make 551 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 2: WhatsApp end to end encrypted. So good luck to law 552 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 2: enforcement trying to get anything that happened on that app. 553 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 1: To doctor Jim Jones, digital forensics expert, Associate Professor George Mason, 554 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 1: University program Director, on and on, doctor Jones, I, like 555 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 1: Nolan's mother, find it very unusual that no one for 556 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 1: a period of hours there's nothing. He is a prolific snapper, insta, 557 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 1: you name it. There's nothing there. I got a problem 558 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 1: number one of him separating himself from the phone, but 559 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,720 Speaker 1: no teen does that. Nobody does that. But if he's 560 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 1: out in the water, he may leave it on the 561 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 1: boat so it doesn't get damaged. But I find it 562 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 1: hard to believe that he left the boat, leave with 563 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 1: it and his keys, and that he wasn't taking pictures 564 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 1: and on the boat on the way out there, where 565 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 1: is all that that's human behavior, which is not your forte. 566 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 1: But doctor Jones, explain to me what these subpoenas mean, 567 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 1: Doctor Jones. From what we're learning in the left last 568 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 1: twenty four hours, Nolan's family demands all IP addresses associated 569 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:11,799 Speaker 1: with his accounts, all communications, chats, posts, stories. You can 570 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 1: explain later, Tutonia, what is a story and all other information. 571 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 1: The phone is critical because there's nothing on it for 572 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,840 Speaker 1: the critical hours. Subpoena is issued in the last hours 573 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 1: to Snapchat, WhatsApp, TikTok, Meta, all meta platforms, and all 574 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 1: location tracking platforms including Life three sixty. Okay, doctor, what 575 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 1: does it mean? 576 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,400 Speaker 13: So what they're trying to do is find everything that 577 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,880 Speaker 13: was pushed up to the servers. And as touchown and 578 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 13: pointed out, some of this content is encrypted as it 579 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 13: goes through the servers, so they won't be able to 580 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 13: see the content on the server, but they'll have a 581 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 13: record that an image or a video or a message 582 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 13: came through. So what I would be looking at is 583 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:05,279 Speaker 13: I would compare what the providers the servers show to 584 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,720 Speaker 13: what's on the phone, and if I find a discrepancy 585 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,840 Speaker 13: that would suggest that something has been deleted from the phone. 586 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 12: Anybody that had. 587 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,240 Speaker 13: Access to the phone could easily delete something on the phone, 588 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 13: much harder to delete what's being held on the servers 589 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:21,759 Speaker 13: from the phone. 590 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,480 Speaker 3: I assume his phone had a password. There are certain 591 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,600 Speaker 3: things that you need the password to do, such as 592 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 3: delete activity. But if you don't have a password and 593 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,720 Speaker 3: you pick up your phone, if you're touching the screen, 594 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,399 Speaker 3: that leaves a trace. If you're trying to power it off, 595 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 3: that leaves a trace. So we should be able to 596 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,759 Speaker 3: see people without a password trying to actively interact with 597 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:43,839 Speaker 3: that phone as well as someone that has it. So 598 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,040 Speaker 3: we would do a forensic acquisition, and that's really important here. 599 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,840 Speaker 3: Someone just looking in the phone, you can get a glimpse, 600 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,720 Speaker 3: but you can't see what's deleted and hiding below the surface. 601 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 3: We need a forensic acquisition to do that. We can 602 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 3: tell if it was just soft deleted, so like sitting 603 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,400 Speaker 3: in a trash can or a hard delete. So if 604 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,319 Speaker 3: you empty your trash on your phone and then you 605 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 3: go and throw it into a dumpster and the trash 606 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,080 Speaker 3: is taken away, there is a log that tracks everything 607 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 3: also with time stams on when that activity occurred. 608 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 1: Digital expert Heather Barnhardt, okay, is a subpoena, doctor Jones, 609 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:24,279 Speaker 1: Doctor Jim Jones, is a subpoena the equivalent of an acquisition, 610 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 1: a forensics digital acquisition. 611 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 13: Yeah, good question, No, very different. So the subpoena is 612 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 13: going to the providers, the companies that provide these services, 613 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:36,040 Speaker 13: and it says, hey, what is on your servers? The 614 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,839 Speaker 13: physical acquisition is going to get a copy of the 615 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 13: raw data stored on the phone. And to Heather's point, 616 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,800 Speaker 13: what you see through the interface is only a small 617 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 13: fraction of what's actually stored on the device. It's a 618 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,240 Speaker 13: very busy place and things are being replaced and removed 619 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 13: all the time. The physical acquisition will take a snapshot 620 00:36:56,120 --> 00:37:00,359 Speaker 13: in time of anything that's left, in particular the frag months. 621 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,120 Speaker 13: She also made a very good point about the logs phones. 622 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 13: Modern smartphones keep very detailed logs. It's not the picture, 623 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,400 Speaker 13: but it will tell you that someone deleted a picture, 624 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 13: and you may even have a timestamp or other metadata 625 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 13: that would help you know something about that content, even 626 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:18,720 Speaker 13: if you can't see the content anything. 627 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:24,080 Speaker 1: So, doctor Jim Jones, if I delete something, let's just 628 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,400 Speaker 1: pretend it's a text. We delete a text, then you 629 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,880 Speaker 1: go the deleted file and delete it. From the deleted file, 630 00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 1: we can't see it, but there is a record of that, 631 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:41,280 Speaker 1: and it is very likely revivable, Yes. 632 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:41,760 Speaker 7: To the record. 633 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 13: For sure, there is a record of that action happening. 634 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,520 Speaker 13: Revival revivability depends on how long it's been since it 635 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,920 Speaker 13: was deleted and what else the phone has been doing. 636 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 13: So it's a very unpredictable process. Think of it as 637 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,920 Speaker 13: something that decays over time. Sometimes that decay is very rapid, 638 00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 13: sometimes it's. 639 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 1: Slow, and we know there's a different in retrieval time 640 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:07,040 Speaker 1: on an iPhone versus an android. It's a very delicate process. 641 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:12,080 Speaker 1: John Mobley, veteran trial lawyer of South Carolina, what is it? 642 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:17,640 Speaker 1: No one's mother wants from social media giants everything. 643 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:19,759 Speaker 12: That's whether they want. And I've been saying this from 644 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,560 Speaker 12: the beginning. These are the types of things that should 645 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:26,720 Speaker 12: have been doing from the beginning. Not press conferences, not grandstanding, 646 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,640 Speaker 12: not the all show or no go, but getting the 647 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 12: actual data from the phone so they can get real answers, 648 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 12: to put all the information regarding what happened in the context. 649 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,560 Speaker 12: They will know if anything was posted, if anything was deleted. 650 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,200 Speaker 12: Just communicating with someone this is the real work that 651 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,959 Speaker 12: needs to be done. This is how we all get answers. 652 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:51,320 Speaker 1: Back to you, doctor Jim Jones. Will these records reveal 653 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:58,319 Speaker 1: whether Nolan Wells had reception on Horn Island or on 654 00:38:58,360 --> 00:38:59,000 Speaker 1: the way there? 655 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,760 Speaker 13: They could based on timestamps of things that got pushed 656 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,360 Speaker 13: to the server, that would say he did have service. 657 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,120 Speaker 13: The absence of those records doesn't say that he didn't 658 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:13,560 Speaker 13: have surface service. However, the soaphone phone provider through the 659 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,919 Speaker 13: tower records could show that because every time a cell 660 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,000 Speaker 13: phone talks to a tower, record is created. 661 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:26,160 Speaker 1: Excellent the ping the ping trail. Okay, back to Officer Tatum, 662 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:30,799 Speaker 1: star off the Officer Tatum on YouTube. Did the young 663 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,239 Speaker 1: men you interviewed, I believe it was four of them 664 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:39,719 Speaker 1: state that no one did not have reception or did 665 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,319 Speaker 1: they explain why there are no pictures, texts, it's just 666 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:47,200 Speaker 1: nothing on his phone. Did they have an explanation for that? 667 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:48,080 Speaker 7: Yes, ma'am. 668 00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,719 Speaker 5: They didn't mention anything about whether Nolan has service or not, 669 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,759 Speaker 5: but they articulated the reason why Nolan may not have, 670 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,160 Speaker 5: you know, certain pictures on his phone. And they had 671 00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,080 Speaker 5: mentioned because Nolan spent the night at their house the 672 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:03,160 Speaker 5: night before, because it's traditional for the last several last 673 00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,520 Speaker 5: few years that they actually went to Horn Island together. 674 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:07,920 Speaker 5: But they were saying that they had taken pictures at 675 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:09,840 Speaker 5: the house. Some of the pictures that you've seen floated 676 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,280 Speaker 5: around online were pictures that they took on the boat, 677 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,799 Speaker 5: But they didn't take those pictures when they got out, 678 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,319 Speaker 5: you know, out there to to Horn Island because they 679 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:22,440 Speaker 5: were having fun. And I would argue that they were drinking, 680 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,319 Speaker 5: and I don't I couldn't imagine that they want to 681 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,760 Speaker 5: get under age drinking on camera. 682 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,200 Speaker 7: So what they had articulated to me. 683 00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,880 Speaker 5: That it wasn't abnormal for people not to snap and 684 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,480 Speaker 5: not to do a lot of pictures and things like that, because. 685 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,560 Speaker 7: They were focused on the. 686 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:38,560 Speaker 1: Videos. 687 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:43,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, but it's not takeloads, no, no, no, it's not 688 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,719 Speaker 5: a lot of pictures, and they weren't uploaded. So when 689 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:49,040 Speaker 5: you're talking about Snapchat, you're talking about a platform where 690 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,560 Speaker 5: people are uploading images and pictures to produce to the world. 691 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,240 Speaker 5: What they showed me were things that they had recorded 692 00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,200 Speaker 5: on their phone, and it wasn't a lot of different 693 00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,799 Speaker 5: things because most of what they did was drinking and 694 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,839 Speaker 5: have fun in the water and so but What they 695 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,359 Speaker 5: had articulated to me as well is that it's not 696 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,680 Speaker 5: abnormal for people not to snap. It's not abnormal for 697 00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:10,920 Speaker 5: you not to have your phone, and Nolan wasn't the 698 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,680 Speaker 5: only person that left his phone on the boat. They 699 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,520 Speaker 5: also mentioned to me, and you could see it in 700 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,000 Speaker 5: the interview that they did was that they had no 701 00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:18,680 Speaker 5: reason to. 702 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:19,600 Speaker 7: Touch Nolan's phone. 703 00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,120 Speaker 5: They weren't thinking about Nolan's phone when they thought the 704 00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,600 Speaker 5: boat was sinking, and when they got to the house, 705 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:29,040 Speaker 5: it was no incident. When it comes to Nolan getting 706 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,120 Speaker 5: the phone back to the friend and. 707 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:35,839 Speaker 1: Parent, you're going far a field from my question. Let 708 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:41,280 Speaker 1: me redirect you back to their phones. Nolan has nothing 709 00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:45,719 Speaker 1: on his phone. They just have pictures and videos on 710 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,080 Speaker 1: their phones. You told me that they exist, whether they 711 00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:53,840 Speaker 1: posted them or not. So they were taking pictures in videos. 712 00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:59,040 Speaker 1: Don't you see why the mom, Nolan's mom is concerned 713 00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:00,960 Speaker 1: there's nothing of her son's phone. 714 00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:06,359 Speaker 5: Well, Nancy, it's very it's unclear exactly what the mother 715 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:11,399 Speaker 5: is articulating, because at one point she's concerned that there's 716 00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,799 Speaker 5: not a lot of snapchats or social media posting. She 717 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,319 Speaker 5: did not articulate or the Benjamin Crumb did not mention 718 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,600 Speaker 5: that there's nothing on his phone, so they're not saying 719 00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,800 Speaker 5: that the phone was white and there's no images or anything. 720 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,960 Speaker 5: She was concerned about his social media frequency, which I 721 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,920 Speaker 5: believe after talking to the boys, it was consistent with 722 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,000 Speaker 5: with what they said, and it was consistent with with, 723 00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:37,000 Speaker 5: you know, basic the deductive reasoning that maybe he didn't 724 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,800 Speaker 5: post a lot on that day. So what what remains 725 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,239 Speaker 5: a focus for me? And if I was investigating this, 726 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:45,520 Speaker 5: I would want to know. 727 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:52,880 Speaker 1: Talking about officer anything. 728 00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,839 Speaker 5: That's what the mom is saying, But we haven't had 729 00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:00,360 Speaker 5: an opportunity to eat the sea or hear exactly what he's. 730 00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:01,200 Speaker 7: Trying to articulate. 731 00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:03,200 Speaker 5: Some of the things that she said in the media 732 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,640 Speaker 5: is that she's talking about posting. I don't believe she 733 00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,480 Speaker 5: said that there was nothing at all on his phone, 734 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,080 Speaker 5: no pictures, know nothing, But I wasn't. 735 00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:13,040 Speaker 7: Able to verify that. 736 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,520 Speaker 5: So if I was able to see Nolan's phone and 737 00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,360 Speaker 5: the mother was able to show me exactly what she's articulating, 738 00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,880 Speaker 5: I'll be able to have a better perspective in comparison 739 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,160 Speaker 5: to what Warren and the other boys were telling me. 740 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,440 Speaker 5: So at this point, I only have one side of it, 741 00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,000 Speaker 5: and then I have a fractured perception from what the 742 00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,160 Speaker 5: media or what the mother is saying in the media. 743 00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,799 Speaker 5: So when the police officers look at his phone and 744 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,480 Speaker 5: they do a forensic distraction, if they're allowed to do that, 745 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,279 Speaker 5: they will see plainly if Nolan was on his phone, 746 00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,520 Speaker 5: if he had taken pictures, and if they were deleted. Now, 747 00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,280 Speaker 5: I'll implement this as we begin to try to guess 748 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,560 Speaker 5: and figure out what was happening on that day, it 749 00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,880 Speaker 5: doesn't seem to be reasonable to suggest that the boys 750 00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,520 Speaker 5: were in his phone deleting things. Now, after hanging out 751 00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,719 Speaker 5: with the boys and getting to know them well, they're 752 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,359 Speaker 5: very intelligent young men, very savvy, and they were raised well. 753 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,280 Speaker 5: I would project if I were to make an assumption 754 00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:11,880 Speaker 5: that if they were trying to cover up something that 755 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,479 Speaker 5: happened to Noland, I would perceive that they would throw 756 00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,200 Speaker 5: the phone in the water or something where it never 757 00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,160 Speaker 5: would be recovered, or if they had access to get 758 00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,840 Speaker 5: into the phone, they wouldn't just delete, they would just 759 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,760 Speaker 5: completely rewrite the phone, or you know, do a hard reset, 760 00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,160 Speaker 5: or they wouldn't give the phone back to Mama or 761 00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,799 Speaker 5: the family anyway. So with those factors put in place, 762 00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:33,920 Speaker 5: and what I've talked to them about, it seems as 763 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,080 Speaker 5: if their story seems consistent to me that they did 764 00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,360 Speaker 5: not get in the phone, they did not know his password, 765 00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,400 Speaker 5: they had no reason to believe that there was a 766 00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,800 Speaker 5: necessity of getting the phone, and they gave it over. 767 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,920 Speaker 1: Saying you're I'm saying, I'm not taking anybody's word for 768 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:55,440 Speaker 1: anything until I investigated and corroborated. Again, that's fair. Maybe 769 00:44:55,440 --> 00:45:00,560 Speaker 1: they're completely innocent, maybe they're not. I don't know, or 770 00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:05,279 Speaker 1: maybe someone else had something to do with Nolan's death. 771 00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,080 Speaker 1: I don't know, but I will find out. And you 772 00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,359 Speaker 1: said I don't know what she said exactly, Well, here 773 00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,560 Speaker 1: is what Nolan's mother said. 774 00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,960 Speaker 14: When we opened it up, there was nothing. There were 775 00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:22,320 Speaker 14: no saved pictures, there were no snaps from that day, 776 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:27,080 Speaker 14: and we did open it before the twenty four hour expiration. 777 00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:35,000 Speaker 14: So we found that very concerning, only because anyone who's 778 00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,239 Speaker 14: ever been around Nolan will tell you at social gatherings, 779 00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:44,080 Speaker 14: he's taking videos, he's taking pictures. He's even come up 780 00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,080 Speaker 14: to me when I'm getting ready to go to bed, Hey, ma, 781 00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,120 Speaker 14: come on take a picture of me, you know, like 782 00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:54,920 Speaker 14: he's just that was Nolan. So that's why we feel 783 00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:58,959 Speaker 14: that things may have been deleted was because the fact 784 00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,960 Speaker 14: that there was nothing in either one of his accounts. 785 00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:09,840 Speaker 1: Okay to Tanya and Jordan Bark, parental control officer and author, 786 00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,360 Speaker 1: do you understand what she just said? I do explain 787 00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:15,319 Speaker 1: it absolutely. 788 00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:19,640 Speaker 2: When a child dies every second, every hour, every day matters. 789 00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:24,720 Speaker 2: Families and investigators need timely access to lawfully requested evidence 790 00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,879 Speaker 2: so they can find answers and hold the right people accountable. 791 00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:32,440 Speaker 2: And Snapchat claims to respond to most legal requests in 792 00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,719 Speaker 2: two to three weeks, but critics say some investigations have 793 00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:41,200 Speaker 2: taken months, which delays justice. Meta to gram right. There 794 00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,280 Speaker 2: are many kids on Facebook these days. There's no public 795 00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:50,320 Speaker 2: average for subpoena response times, but it's it varies, it varies, 796 00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,040 Speaker 2: and investigators have criticized delays in some really high profile 797 00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:57,320 Speaker 2: child safety and teen death cases. WhatsApp We talked about 798 00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:01,919 Speaker 2: that earlier. Even with a warrant, Meta generally cannot read 799 00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:05,200 Speaker 2: or produce message content because it doesn't have it. That's 800 00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:09,520 Speaker 2: what we were talking about with the challenges encryption. It's 801 00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:13,120 Speaker 2: not a response time thing, it's the encryption. So I 802 00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:14,960 Speaker 2: don't know if I answered your question, but I just 803 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,560 Speaker 2: felt it was really important to be very clear about 804 00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,400 Speaker 2: what we need for justice and what social media companies 805 00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,480 Speaker 2: are not providing in a timely manner. 806 00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:30,640 Speaker 1: You're very clear. I want Tatum to be right. I 807 00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:36,319 Speaker 1: want this to be easily explainable when we know all 808 00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:42,080 Speaker 1: the facts. But we will not stop until we know 809 00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:47,760 Speaker 1: the facts. If you know or think you know anything 810 00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:52,719 Speaker 1: regarding Nolan's case, please dial two two eight seven six' 811 00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:57,359 Speaker 1: nine three zero six. Three if ONLY i could put 812 00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:01,439 Speaker 1: a keg of dynamite under the social media giants rear 813 00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:05,800 Speaker 1: end and get those answers, NOW i. Would there is 814 00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:10,080 Speaker 1: a one hundred and twenty five thousand dollar reward for 815 00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:14,160 Speaker 1: information leading to the truth of what happened To. Nolan 816 00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:20,840 Speaker 1: we Remember american Hero Trooper micah May Nevada Department Public, 817 00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:25,880 Speaker 1: safety killed in the line of, duty leaving behind a grieving, Wife, 818 00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:34,080 Speaker 1: joanna and two, Children melody And. Raylan american Hero Trooper 819 00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:38,640 Speaker 1: micah May thank you to our guests for being with us, 820 00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,920 Speaker 1: tonight but especially to you for joining us in our 821 00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:48,960 Speaker 1: search for the truth About Nolan. Wells Nancy gray signing 822 00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:50,880 Speaker 1: off for, tonight But i'll see you tomorrow, night and until, 823 00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:52,359 Speaker 1: then good Night, fred