1 00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: Every day a week ago, clicks up The Breakfast Club, y'all, 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 1: mister one, most Dangerous Morning Show, The Breakfast Club, Charlamagne 3 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: to God just hilarious. DJ Envy is not in today, 4 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: but Lauren Lerosa is and we got some special guests 5 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 1: in the building. The cast of season three of Reasonable Doubt. Yes, 6 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:22,279 Speaker 1: how are y'all feeling? Man, fantastic, jose the Car, McKinley, 7 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: Freeman and I always messed the name up, Emma. 8 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 2: He was messing up, you know, he got a little. 9 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 3: How you're feeling this morning? 10 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: We feel a fantastic It's to be here in Season 11 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: two of A scripted show is a very hard Season 12 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: three three three a very A scripted show. 13 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 3: Is a very hard task. How does it feel? Man? 14 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 4: It's good to be working, I'll tell you that, and 15 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 4: also be working with such amazing collaborate people like Mayachti 16 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 4: and Joseph, Kerry Washington, Larry. It's been a blessing. Hopefully 17 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 4: the fans love it because you know what I. 18 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 5: Mean, it's been a lot of fun. It's been a 19 00:00:57,520 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 5: lot of fun. And so to get to do it 20 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 5: three times, you know, I want to feel that love 21 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 5: from the audience and everything, and then you know meet 22 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 5: additional just people who come on the show and bring 23 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:06,559 Speaker 5: great energy. 24 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 2: You know, it's been cool. 25 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 3: When have you not worked? When the last time your right, 26 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 3: when the last time you've not worked? 27 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 6: I've been super lucky, great in the Tommy role. But legitimately, 28 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 6: Charlottmane and we were just talking about that that it's 29 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 6: like it's I was I started. We started the journey 30 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 6: when I was thirty seven. I'm forty nine right now, 31 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 6: so it's like twelve years or. 32 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 7: Not. 33 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 8: Damn that forty nine is old. You just don't look forty. No, Damn, 34 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,479 Speaker 8: I wouldn't have guessed this year forty nine. 35 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 7: Talking about how long you've been working, especially in that 36 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 7: role power right, how hard is it when you go 37 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 7: into other sets for people not to just see Tommy 38 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 7: all the time, Because it's funny. 39 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 6: I think that the Power Show is so pigeonholed in 40 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 6: a lot of ways that like when I was on Ozark, 41 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 6: people had no idea, like the crossover audience wasn't there. 42 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 3: However, on this this is going to be the. 43 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 6: One where Tommy plays the lawyer, right, which is fine 44 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 6: with me too, because it's it's it's so well written 45 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 6: that Ramula Muhammad does such an amazing job at making 46 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 6: a three hundred and sixty degree character that it's regardless 47 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 6: of how you feel about Bill Sterling my character on 48 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 6: season three, reasonable doubt, it's a different character and it's 49 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 6: a real human being because she writes real human beings 50 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 6: in real situations. This is only the second time in 51 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 6: my career where I joined a cast where I was 52 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 6: a fan of the show. I mean, I came from 53 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 6: Michael Ely, I stayed for Amiazi. It's like she's a brilliant. 54 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 6: She is everything that a number one on a call 55 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 6: she should be. 56 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 3: She's ultra prepared, she's ultra. 57 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 6: Kind and you can't you can't put anything in front 58 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 6: of her. She can't tackle and conquer. So it's been 59 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 6: amazing and I learned a lot. But being around her, you. 60 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 2: Know what, I wish people at my job would hype 61 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 2: me up like that. 62 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 3: She's always on set. I'm sure every day. 63 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: Okay, she doesn't miss him a lot of days, you said, so, 64 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: I'm interested though you said that. You know when you did, 65 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 1: there wasn't a lot of crossed over there, So I wondered, 66 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 1: does that hinder you from getting certain roles because they 67 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: feel like, oh, that's Joseph. People might think this is 68 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 1: a you know, power franchise spin off. 69 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 6: I don't even think about that. I feel like my 70 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 6: job as an actor, I don't think about that. And 71 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 6: getting more and more into producing. 72 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 3: Those are some of the factors. 73 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 6: I mean, I think you're spot on, Charlotte and thinking 74 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 6: that people are people love to categorize stuff because it 75 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 6: makes it easy. One thing I've learned in this business 76 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 6: is that nobody likes to work hard and everybody likes 77 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 6: things that are easy. 78 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 3: So I feel like. 79 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 6: To break out of the shell, you have to do 80 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 6: both of those things. You have to do things that 81 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 6: are difficult, and you have to want to work. So 82 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 6: that's all I wanted. All I do is I try 83 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 6: to progress and keep working. 84 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: There's working on a loss in the show challenge, y' all. 85 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: View of the legal system. 86 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 5: Absolutely absolutely, I mean, because, for one, I've just learned 87 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 5: a lot more about law. You know, as each season 88 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 5: has gone on, you know, you learn a lot more. 89 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 5: And again the writing it makes you kind of dive 90 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 5: into that, you know, but just the system as a whole, 91 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 5: you know, each season brings a new case and with 92 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 5: the new case. You have different challenges and you know 93 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 5: how the law is working with you or against you, 94 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 5: and those kinds of things, you know, so it really 95 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 5: does highlight that. And that's one of my favorite things 96 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 5: about the show is that it makes people talk about it. 97 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 9: It makes people talk. 98 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 5: About, you know, the justice system and why it's working 99 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 5: or why it's not. And that's again one of the 100 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 5: one of the benefits of the show. It's not just 101 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 5: this simple legal drama. You know, you have this woman 102 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 5: who's a lawyer. There's so many more layers to it. 103 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 4: And oddly like over the course of shooting the last 104 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 4: few seasons, there's always been something interesting happening legally, So 105 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 4: there's always something in the. 106 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 3: World where we're like, oh, come together. 107 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:33,239 Speaker 5: Yeah. 108 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:35,799 Speaker 4: So season two and season three, so it's it's definitely 109 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 4: you know, shed a light on that topic. 110 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 7: For surest So, the last season before this one, you 111 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 7: end on like a high. You you bring your your 112 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 7: friend home and all the things, and then this season 113 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 7: opens and it's like you you want more drama, yes, 114 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 7: but you also in the last season with a lot 115 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 7: of drama. You know, we don't understand we as women, 116 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 7: you know about. 117 00:04:58,880 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 2: We want to have it all. 118 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 5: I think Jacks as a character, she is the woman 119 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 5: who does thrive in a lot of ways on the 120 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 5: adrenaline of things not going the way they're supposed to go. 121 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 5: She likes the mess of all of that in her 122 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 5: professional life, yes, you know, but when it does bleed 123 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 5: over into the personal, that's where things get a little tricky. 124 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 5: But she's been missing that, you know, from the last season. 125 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 5: She did get a girlfriend off and everything, and now 126 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 5: she's just you know, everyone's bleeding out, there's nothing really happening. 127 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 5: She likes to be in that courtroom, you know, so 128 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 5: I can understand that. You know, at work you want 129 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 5: a little you want to feel like you were doing 130 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 5: your best. 131 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,159 Speaker 9: And for Jacks, she's at her. 132 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 5: Best when she's in that courtroom, standing right in front 133 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 5: of someone and letting them know how they're not. She's 134 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 5: gonna win this case. So that's where she wants to be. 135 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 5: She lives in that space. 136 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 7: I've had conversations with my friends because of reasonable doubt 137 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 7: just about how like as women at work, or black 138 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 7: women at work, we always feel the need to like 139 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 7: be the like successor in the room or we're figuring 140 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 7: it out, how does your role and what you do 141 00:05:57,800 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 7: going into this new season with all this new drama 142 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 7: to that like that, I need the mess because I 143 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 7: need something to figure out so I can look like 144 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 7: I'm accomplishing or accomplished. 145 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 5: Well, see, I think it's almost the opposite. I don't 146 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 5: know if I would say that. I feel like Jackson 147 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 5: needs the mess to feel like she's doing something. I 148 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 5: think there's more so she's already feeling like she's not 149 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 5: valued at her job, you know what I mean. So 150 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 5: she knows that she can get in these rooms and 151 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 5: obliterate anyone who's in front of her, you know, and 152 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:26,919 Speaker 5: she's she really fights for the people, the clients that 153 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 5: she believes in. So I think she wants to have 154 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 5: more of those opportunities to do that. And when we 155 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 5: open up in season three, that's not where she is, 156 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 5: you know, everyone is pleading out. She's kind of more 157 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 5: so just in her office and that kind of thing. 158 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 5: So she wants to have a bit more of the 159 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 5: excitement so that she can make money for the firm, 160 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 5: be her best, you know, show everyone what she's capable of, 161 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 5: because again that's why she's a partner. You know, her 162 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 5: name is on that building. So she's not at her best, 163 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 5: just you know, helping clients plead out in that kind 164 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 5: of way. 165 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: You know, I always wonder like what parts of Jack's 166 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: resonate with you personally, and does that change from season 167 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: to season? 168 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 3: Does it feel like you're covering new territory. 169 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 2: Yeah? 170 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 5: I discover something new about this woman each year, for sure. 171 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 5: You know, every every episode is like, oh Jax, you 172 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 5: know what I mean. 173 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 2: It makes it. 174 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 5: Makes me have those conversations with myself. There are a 175 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 5: lot of ways that were alike, you know, in her 176 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 5: in her ability to get things done. You know, she's 177 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 5: about her business. She's very strong, straightforward. You know, I 178 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 5: can relate to her in that way, the way she 179 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 5: goes about it. At times, you know, we may differ 180 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 5: a little bit, you know what I mean, we made 181 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 5: we made different a little bit, you know, But that's 182 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 5: that's the fun part of being the actors when you 183 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 5: get to peel back all those layers and not judge 184 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 5: this woman. Okay, why does she decide that she gonna 185 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 5: stay with this man after hen went and have this 186 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 5: whole side? 187 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 2: Baby? 188 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 9: You know, it's it's tough. 189 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 5: It's tough, but it happens, and people do that all 190 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 5: of the time, and so that's what makes it exciting. 191 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 6: Well, I mean I was telling me about the research 192 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 6: that she did and found the group chat of these 193 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 6: women who's whose partners had stepped out or had been 194 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 6: given a little leeway. 195 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, baby, group. 196 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 2: Chat, they're there. 197 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 9: I had to dig I did it. Yeah, yep, Yes, I. 198 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 7: Did not have a baby, but I got back with 199 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 7: someone who had a baby while we were like in 200 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 7: a weird space. 201 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 9: And you do find that there are a lot of 202 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 9: women who do it. 203 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 7: They don't talk about it because you have to deal 204 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 7: with people being like, well, why would you get to 205 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 7: do that? 206 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 9: But it's a whole community out there, Yes there is. 207 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 5: And I had to go because I couldn't make it. It 208 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 5: makes sense, but I can't judge this woman. 209 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 2: We all you know what I mean. 210 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 5: And so when I found it, it made sense and 211 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 5: I understood and then I could portray it from a 212 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:47,439 Speaker 5: real perspective. 213 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 3: What was the reason? 214 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 1: I want to know, Like, what was what did you 215 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: find in that group chat that you could tap into 216 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 1: to say, Okay, this is why I would take them back. 217 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 9: Oh well that's easy. 218 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 5: I mean you find that outside of their still being loved, 219 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 5: there and all that kind of stuff. It's more so 220 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:02,959 Speaker 5: things that other people may not understand, you know, they 221 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 5: may not understand that I have history with this person 222 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 5: all these things. But beyond that, especially the women that 223 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 5: I found that were married, you know, and this happen 224 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 5: not in just long term relationships, they really felt like, 225 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 5: you know what, I made this bow. 226 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 9: I have children. 227 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 5: I'm not going to let him take this whole thing down. 228 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 5: And also I believe this is something that this is 229 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:27,959 Speaker 5: a mistake, you know, and we can get through this. 230 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 9: We can get through this, you know. 231 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:33,199 Speaker 5: And when you have marriage that's been you have years 232 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 5: invested in this, you can understand why people would feel like, 233 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 5: you know, I'm not going to throw this whole thing aboay. 234 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 2: And it's just not that easy. It's not that easy. 235 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 9: Yeah, McKinley, did you have. 236 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:47,079 Speaker 3: You know, you know, a bit a side person. 237 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 4: I think the thing is, it's just funny hearing in 238 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 4: Miyati talk about it because I think about all the 239 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 4: conversations that I had on set and then comment sections 240 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 4: about Lewis and the baby and Tony and what's happening 241 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 4: with Jack's and the thing that I find interesting is 242 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 4: the divide where there's a line that women won't cross. 243 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 3: It's like, oh, you're Lewis is. 244 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 4: Wrong because he had a baby, not because he cheated. 245 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 4: I'm like, wait a second, So I was gonna say 246 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 4: Jack spent the whole season with Michael Ely then as 247 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:26,439 Speaker 4: as the but this is. 248 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 3: The thing with but my point, but my point. 249 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 4: But my point though is that like, it's interesting to 250 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 4: see how conversations evolve, because Charlemagne asked a great questions 251 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 4: like what do you look at this season that's evolved? 252 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 4: And I think one of the things in this relationship 253 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 4: is like how do you stand in the face of 254 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 4: all the things that you've built up in terms of 255 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 4: the ideas that you what you will and won't do, 256 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 4: and are you willing to knock those down to keep 257 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 4: the thing that's most important, which is what you vowed with. 258 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 4: So it's like it's interesting to hear people reconcile their 259 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 4: choices but also still make the most of the present 260 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 4: to recognize the opportunity I have to change things, and 261 00:10:57,760 --> 00:10:58,079 Speaker 4: this is. 262 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 6: The level of intelligence I have to deal with. Don't 263 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 6: come off like I'm smart. 264 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: So the wonder if love really is a deciding factor 265 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: and all those things right, because if you really love 266 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: the person, you probably would have been more careful, wouldn't 267 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 1: she to begin with about a lot of things, go a. 268 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 3: Little bit further on that she really cheated. What happened. 269 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 9: Women sheet? I got you said leomen do their thing 270 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 9: is different? 271 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 7: Just because I love Jackson, cheating is cheap. 272 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 9: And they were separated. You forgot. 273 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 4: Talking about like we can't do that though? 274 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 3: Is that wrong? 275 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:52,679 Speaker 2: Lord? 276 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 8: Listen with the progression of the show right all the 277 00:11:56,840 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 8: way from you know, season one, it's seems like y'all, well, 278 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 8: y'all already like melted into y'all characters. Do y'all have 279 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 8: anything to do with the like writing writing process like 280 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 8: after season two or anything like that? 281 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 5: Oh well, we cannot take any credit for the right. 282 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 5: That's Roba Muhammad and the fantastic writing room that she 283 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 5: has a symbol, they do all of the writing. 284 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 9: What she does allow is room. 285 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 5: For it to breathe if something doesn't come out of 286 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 5: the mouth, right. You know, she's open to that, to 287 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 5: changing in that kind of thing, but the base core 288 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 5: of it, that's all. 289 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 3: That's all she allows us. 290 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 4: She definitely allows us to settle into a true perspective 291 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 4: for sure, and like if something doesn't seem right in 292 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 4: the words before we get there, we can have there's 293 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 4: phone calls and conversations without She makes it so. 294 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 6: It's a safe space that I you know, without naming 295 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:42,559 Speaker 6: names or you know, looking at resumes or anything like that. 296 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 6: She is so unbelievably open to saying if you have 297 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 6: a question. I just I just didn't really trust that 298 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 6: at first. She's like, is everything okay? 299 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, you're so. 300 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 6: You're so open to this stuff and yet so incredibly 301 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:58,199 Speaker 6: intelligent in a master storytelling that's still open to saying 302 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,839 Speaker 6: like maybe maybe there's a even better way to do it. 303 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 8: Yeah, she's incredible because you find on sets they don't 304 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 8: usually do that right, No, something No, you stick it 305 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 8: to stick to it. 306 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 2: This is what I wrote, This is what it is. 307 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:10,079 Speaker 2: I love that though I. 308 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 1: Know, you know, being on Power all these years has 309 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: been a blessing right a min But do you ever 310 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 1: feel like, you know, I don't want to I love 311 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: the character Tommy, I just don't want to get boxed 312 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: in the character time. 313 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 6: Yeah. Again, it's like I don't even think about that. 314 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 6: Like I had spent so many years as we talked 315 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 6: about before, like twenty five years in the business, before 316 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 6: I got the Tommy roll to get I got me 317 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 6: out of that, paid my bills. I still love Tommy too, 318 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 6: because he's a complex character. And again talking about writing, 319 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 6: Gary Lennon, who writes the Tommy character for the Power 320 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:38,319 Speaker 6: for Show and was the co show runner of the 321 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 6: original Power Show, is you know, the son of Native 322 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 6: New York, son of Hell's Kitchen, And he just writes such. 323 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 3: A real character, and is this. 324 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:52,199 Speaker 6: It's endlessly entertaining for me to discover new parts about 325 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 6: this character. And still as a guy that comes from 326 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 6: the theater, that's a classically trained actor and all that stuff, 327 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 6: It's like, I still never I don't think about myself 328 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 6: as being pigeonholed, and I think that that's the most 329 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 6: important thing that I'm Like, I can still play Bill Sterling, 330 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 6: I can't still play Frank Junior. I can still be 331 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 6: all of these other things. So in my mind it's 332 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 6: I don't fit boxed in at all, even though if 333 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 6: other people judge me. Again, it's like it's like what 334 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 6: other people think about me is none of my business. 335 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 2: Because that's probably part of the gift. 336 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 5: You know, as an actor, you want to have a 337 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 5: character that resonates with people that they just they identify 338 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 5: it with that and that you can live with and 339 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 5: then still go on to do other things. But that's 340 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 5: a part of the gift. 341 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 6: You know, there's probably more parts of Tommy that there 342 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 6: are more parts of me that are closer to parts 343 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 6: of Tommy than. 344 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 3: Parts of me that are closer to bos Sterling. 345 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 6: Well, I mean, I think in terms of emotional. 346 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 3: Not dealing and letting people up. 347 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 6: But it's it's fun to try to stretch to have 348 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 6: a guy who was Special Forces in the Coastguard and 349 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 6: this wonderful backstory of going to Georgetown for law school 350 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 6: and really kind of diving deep in there and also 351 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 6: losing kind of like trying to restructure my body and 352 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 6: losing like twenty pounds for the character to be a 353 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 6: guy who is in the militar and trying to work 354 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 6: out the way that people in the Coast Guard Special 355 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 6: Forces would have to see if that physically changes the 356 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 6: body to the character to let the vessel be something different. 357 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 6: So it's a lot of fun, great challenges. 358 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 3: McKinley, Is it true that you started off in corporate America? Right? Yeah, absolutely, 359 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 3: so you got into the industry later. 360 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 4: That's well, yeah, I got into lad I was I 361 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 4: got a bachelor's degree in finance and the NBA and 362 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 4: marketing and information technology. So I was working for like 363 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 4: a Fortune five company, traveling around the world building marketing 364 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 4: program sales programs for stuff. And then I just started 365 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 4: modeling and got bored. And then that was kind of 366 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 4: the introduction to it all. And then just kind of 367 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 4: like Joseph was say, I'm a bit of a student 368 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 4: to everything, whether it's jiu jitsu, acting, whatever. So I 369 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 4: knew that there was a lot that I didn't though, 370 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 4: and I just took it as an opportunity to kind 371 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 4: of learn and see where it could go. But it's 372 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 4: very much about for me, it's a like a lifestyle 373 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 4: being present, like what is it that I can do 374 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 4: today to get me closer to tomorrow, which will get 375 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 4: me closer to my destiny. But yeah, but also not 376 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 4: being afraid to pivot, you know. 377 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: Can you speak to that, because it's like, you know, 378 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: you you accomplished so much, right. 379 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 3: I don't know if I've accomplished it so much from 380 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 3: an educational perspective, right, So, but what is it in you? 381 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: What's that nagging feeling that's like, no, you should you 382 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: should be doing something else, you should be doing this. 383 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 4: I think there's a voice on the inside, there's a 384 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 4: thing where it's like there's a point where you can 385 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 4: check all the boxes and things could be going right, 386 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 4: but there's still something missing. And I think the voice 387 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 4: of the whisper of something missing is louder than the 388 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 4: screams of the things that you have. So for me, 389 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 4: the opportunity is to kind of dive in there to 390 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 4: see where it could go. Because to me, the biggest 391 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 4: thing is martin us the King said the two greatest words, 392 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 4: that the two most powerful words in the English language 393 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 4: are too late. So like, I don't want to get 394 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 4: to the end and be like, damn, I wish I 395 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 4: would have tried. So I'm gonna leave it on the 396 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 4: table wherever it is, whether it's acting business whatever. But 397 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 4: but yeah, that the willingness to be free and to 398 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 4: see where the waves go, That's where I'm at. 399 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 7: McKinley, how important has it been or was it to 400 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 7: show Lewis's like grieving process from the loss of his son. 401 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the the. 402 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 4: You know, grieving is hard anyway, and I think sometimes 403 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 4: we all just kind of put it in the bag 404 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 4: and keep moving, never really thinking about how much it weighs. 405 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 4: And I think, specifically for Lewis in this situation with 406 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 4: grieving the loss of a of a son, there's a 407 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 4: lot of things connected to that. I mean, we think 408 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,719 Speaker 4: about things in a vacuum, but one son is connected 409 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 4: to another son. The spencer still lives like, oh man, 410 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,360 Speaker 4: this is this young This young man could have grown 411 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 4: up to be this age, And there's a I think 412 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:25,120 Speaker 4: there's there's a there's a there's a weird stigma when 413 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 4: it comes to expressing how we feel as black men, 414 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 4: and there's there's definitely a weight, weights that we're not 415 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:34,439 Speaker 4: meant to carry. And my biggest piece of advice is 416 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 4: to put them down because you don't know that weight 417 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 4: could cause could cost you your life. So I think 418 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 4: for me grieving, being honest about how a person feels, 419 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 4: being president with our feelings and learning to be a 420 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 4: clear communicator of that so that other people. 421 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 3: Around are aware. 422 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:51,679 Speaker 4: To me, that's important and it also makes you more 423 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 4: of a vessel for other folks as they're going through I've. 424 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: Been exploring that a lot, right Like, you know, there's 425 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 1: a black man, this is a man in general. I 426 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 1: think the hardest thing for men to say is something 427 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 1: hurt they feel, and it's. 428 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 3: Hard to say that to another individual. It's hard to 429 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 3: look at another man to be like, yo, you hurt 430 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 3: my feeling. 431 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 4: Well, I think the bigger thing is yeah, I agree 432 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 4: with that, But I think one of the things is 433 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 4: dangerous is camping in feelings. My biggest my bigger thing 434 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 4: is what is the foundation that the feelings come from. 435 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 3: There's a root of it. What is the root? 436 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 4: Because that root might not be something My root may 437 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:22,400 Speaker 4: very well be something that we weren't supposed to have, right, 438 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 4: whether it's fear, insecurity, whatever it is, Like, deal with 439 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 4: the root of that, because then you don't have to 440 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 4: deal with that area of the garden anymore once you 441 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 4: get the weeds up and that's that. 442 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 5: Space was a challenge story wise on the show for 443 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 5: Jackson as a character to allow him to have the 444 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 5: space to do all of that without her feeling some 445 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 5: type of way about well, is he did. 446 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:42,239 Speaker 2: He really want to be with her? 447 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 5: Is he really you know? All those questions and realize 448 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 5: it's not about you with that moment, It's really about 449 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,959 Speaker 5: him having this opportunity to grieve what happened. 450 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,439 Speaker 4: Well, it's interesting and that's that's actually how beautiful the 451 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 4: story is. It's actually it is about me and it's 452 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 4: about us. So it's like sacrificing something for the bigger picture, 453 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 4: even if it doesn't yeh, the most sent some papers, 454 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:03,439 Speaker 4: you know, because we read we read scripts and it 455 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 4: happens just like when y'all see it like wait a minute, 456 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 4: what's happening and will be like, wait a minute, what 457 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 4: is this? 458 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 3: Where is this going? So it's always. 459 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: Well, listen, it's the Cast a Reasonable Doubt. Season three 460 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 1: premiere September eighteenth. Here's eighteenth, Thursday. 461 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:28,360 Speaker 2: Tomorrow, And I want to say I did something for reason. 462 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 9: I'm here on the radio. 463 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 2: Don't paying attention to the case. You know what I'm saying. 464 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 2: I'm the voice that pay attention to the case. Yeah, listen, 465 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 2: I'm going to carry thank you, thank you. 466 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 3: Every day. A week ago, the Breakfast Club. 467 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 2: Finished for y'all. 468 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:55,360 Speaker 3: Dump