1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: The volume. This is Prime Cuts, the best of the 2 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:17,319 Speaker 1: Colin Cowherd Podcast. A very interesting week. Colts head coach 3 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: Frank Reich lets us behind the curtain a bit on 4 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 1: his relationship with Carson Wentz and tells us which Colts 5 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 1: player is like nobody he's ever been around before. My 6 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: buddy and former NFL scout John middlecoff is money on 7 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: his fears of an impending disaster for Zach Wilson with 8 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: the Jets and Rams, gm less need on making the 9 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: Matt Stafford trade, and his aggressive approach to free agency 10 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: and gaming. But first, my top takes of the week. 11 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna always be tied to Baker Mayfield just because 12 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 1: of my opinions on him. And listen, look, I get 13 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 1: there's a lot of sports fans from Ohio and they're 14 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: always interested. Everybody's a tough guy on Twitter, but they 15 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: always come up and they're very gracious and they're like, hey, 16 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: what do you think? And I always say the same thing. 17 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: I don't think he's great. I think he's good. I 18 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: think he's Kirk Cousins. That's what all my NFL guys think. 19 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 1: That's what the you know, the guy Mike Sando who 20 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: does that four tier quarterback list every year. It's the 21 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 1: go to fifty anonymous executives, and they put Baker Mayfield 22 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: right next to Kirk Cousins. That is exactly what my 23 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 1: scouts and my executive friends always say. He's Kirk Cousins. 24 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: He can win, he can get to the playoffs. He 25 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: won a playoff game, but he's got to be surrounded 26 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:30,960 Speaker 1: by extraordinary talent. It's not a criticism. Hell, if you 27 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: can make the NFL, you're a great talent. But I 28 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: was thinking about this, you know, it's like Brown fans 29 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: want me to say that Baker feels great, but in 30 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: every business and he's not. By the way, there is 31 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: room for somebody who can find tremendous success without being great, 32 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: if they're just good enough. Like in music, to be 33 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: a lead singer, you do not have to have a 34 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: great voice. David Lee, Roth Van Halen, Mick Jagger, Stones, 35 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: Vince Neil, Motley, Crue, they do not have a great voice. 36 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: In movies, to be a leading man, you do not 37 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: have to be a great actor. Keanu Reeves and Vin Diesel. 38 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 1: Steven Seagal for a decade was a leading man in 39 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: the NFL. There is a great history of good enough. 40 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: Ken Stabler, Joe Flacco, Jim McMahon. They've all won Super 41 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 1: Bowls by being good enough. When Seattle lost its NBA team, 42 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: I blame the owner, Howard Schultz. He's a billionaire. He 43 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: bought the Sonics and he didn't have the stomach for it. 44 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: He never really fought, really fought for any duration to 45 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: keep the Sonics once they clearly needed a new arena, 46 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: and they did. I'd been to Key Arena multiple times, 47 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 1: a dozen times. Bad parking downtown Seattle during the NBA season. 48 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: The winter is dark, poorly lit, wet, damp. They should 49 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: have gone to the burbs, go to Kirkland, go somewhere 50 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 1: better NBA arena, But Howard Schultz was cheap. If you're 51 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: gonna get into owning a team, then get into it 52 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: emotionally and fight for it. When the Chargers left San Diego, 53 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: I didn't necessarily bash Dean Spanos. He has no intention 54 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 1: of selling the team. He's owned the team forever, he 55 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 1: loves the team, and he fought his ass off to 56 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: keep it in San Diego. But local politicians are how 57 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 1: can I say this? Mostly untalented hacks and in Cleveland. 58 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: This is why the Browns left, because the less popular 59 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: baseball team got a new stadium and the more popular 60 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: football team playing in a dump did not, so they left. 61 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: In San Diego, Qualcom was falling apart. They didn't have 62 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: the same day revenue of the top ten teams in 63 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: the league. They didn't have enough suites. It was hard 64 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: to get in and out of I've been to Qualcom 65 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: fifty times in my life. The Padres and Chargers both 66 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: played there. But what do you know, The Podres got 67 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: a new baseball stadium and the more popular NFL team 68 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: had a site picked. The Anno's family fought forever for it, 69 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: and then it came down to a vote, and the 70 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: vote was a tourist tax, meaning locals didn't really have 71 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: to foot most of the bill. It would be people 72 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: like me who rent a car and stay in a 73 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: San Diego hotel every couple years. Vegas has a big 74 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: tourist tax thirty six percent. If I recall, the local 75 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: politicians didn't fight for it, and it failed, and the 76 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: Spanos family, who's not going to sell the team, who 77 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: loves the team, who's had it forever, said, okay, what 78 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 1: are our options? La came knocking the fifth biggest economy 79 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: in the world, a wildly dynamic sports market, a pretty 80 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: sweet deal with the Rams. They would never get it again, 81 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: or stand San Diego, cross your fingers that you can 82 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 1: get a stadium. You tell me what business man would 83 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: pass on that they didn't want to move the team 84 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: anywhere else. But when your neighbor, your wealthy neighbor two 85 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: hour drive north, says here's a sweet deal, come on up. 86 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 1: And the reason I bring this up because the Chargers 87 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: now have now blown past their season ticket average in 88 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: San Diego the last twenty years. Yep, it's officially now 89 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:18,119 Speaker 1: the fastest growing season ticket sale base in the entire league. 90 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: They're at ninety percent. I'm a business guy, you've followed 91 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 1: my career. Somebody comes knocking offers just significantly more, and 92 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: the play Surratt's fallen apart. What are my options to die? Go? 93 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:33,919 Speaker 1: Ask any business man, you have to adapt or die. 94 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: And so I'm happy for the Chargers and I'm not 95 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: going to take the wildly popular side of what about 96 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 1: the common man? Well, the problem the common man is 97 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: represented by the common local politicians, and they mostly stink. 98 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 1: There are just certain truths that people don't want to hear, 99 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: like parents don't want to hear their kids. Friends are 100 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 1: going to have more influence on their kids than they will. 101 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: They did a study back in twenty fifteen that found 102 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: that young teenagers twelve to fourteen will listen to their 103 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 1: peers more than their parents. The kids were asked to 104 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: rate dangerous activities like bungee jumping or biking without a helmet. 105 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 1: Then they were told how adults rated those activities and 106 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 1: how their peers rated that activity. Then they were asked 107 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 1: to rate those activities again, and their scores were swayed 108 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: more by their peers than their adults. Here's another truth. 109 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: Mellow's got no self awareness. He's a Hall of Fame 110 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: guy for one thing, shooting two pointers. Mellow lacked so 111 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: much willingness to be a good teammate that is one 112 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 1: of the great mid range forward shooters of all time. 113 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: He wouldn't take an extra step back and make it 114 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 1: to three. He wouldn't defend Jeremy Lynn, wouldn't play with them. 115 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: He just didn't get it. He will make the Basketball 116 00:06:54,480 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame for one thing. Shooting two's totally selfish, 117 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: absolute ballhog. Never in great shape close your eyes right 118 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,799 Speaker 1: now and imagine Mellow playing basketball Odds already shooting along 119 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: to probably from the right side of the court. It's 120 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: burned into your memory. It's mostly all he did well. Frank, 121 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: I've had everybody on from your organization. It's about time. 122 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: I've had Jim Ursey and Chris Ballard and multiple players 123 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: and Darius Leonards. So it's great to have you. So 124 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: when you go back to Carson's relationship with you initially, 125 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: was it connect at first sight? Did it take time? 126 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: What was the breakthrough the epiphany that you're like, he 127 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: trusted you, you trusted him in Philly. Yeah, I mean 128 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: it was on every level. You know, There's been a 129 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: lot of talk that you know, spiritually we kind of 130 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: connect there. That's true. But and that's important, and I 131 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: think that's a big part of why we connect. But 132 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: from a football standpoint, I can't emphasize to you enough 133 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: how much we connect. Just axcess nose, the way we 134 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: see the game, the way we see the passing, in 135 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: the way we see protections, the way we the philosophy 136 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: of how to play quarterback. You know, this is just 137 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: one of those guys that as soon as I started 138 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: talking to them, it was like, oh wow, yeah, we're 139 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: totally got the same vibe, the same wavelength about how 140 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: to play, how to play this most important position. And 141 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: you know, for me, that's coming from being around a 142 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: lot of great ones and playing the game myself and 143 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: at that position. Not that I was ever at that level, 144 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: but I've been around a lot of great ones, and 145 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,559 Speaker 1: I get excited about when I get around a guy 146 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: like Carson who I think things like those guys. You know, 147 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: it's funny. In golf they call it the yips. We 148 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,319 Speaker 1: just saw this Olympian Simone Biles. They call it the twisties, 149 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: where you just you get in the air and you're like, 150 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: I've lost my confidence. You know. We know basketball players 151 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: they get in the zone, they get out of the zone. 152 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:56,959 Speaker 1: But in football we also know. In baseball, I can 153 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 1: remember Steve Sachs struggled making the row second to first. 154 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: It happens like we all get it. In football, we 155 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 1: just think, oh, these guys just these quarterbacks dropped back 156 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: and it's like, no, no, there's anxiety. Last year with 157 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: Carson Wentz, there were moments and I thought, oh shit, 158 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: he there's he's got a little bit of the golfer 159 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 1: yips here on stuff out in the flat like just 160 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: easy stuff for him, and he was a little broken. 161 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:24,079 Speaker 1: And then the stories come out that you know, it 162 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 1: was not a great situation for Doug Peterson, for everybody involved. 163 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 1: M how do you I don't know how. I'm often 164 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: you've dealt with it. How do you get him back 165 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 1: in the right tunnel, in the right lane? We get 166 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: with every other sport, we get that you can get 167 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 1: off out of the zone. How do you get him back? Yeah? Well, 168 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:47,839 Speaker 1: I think that's a great it's a great point you're making. 169 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: And those examples are great examples. Um. You know, most 170 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: of those examples are a little bit more not individu 171 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: you know, like the small bile that's an individual sport. 172 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: The throw to first bay, you know, that's kind of 173 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:04,319 Speaker 1: a one aspect of a deal where you know, I 174 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: think what we're talking about here a little bit what 175 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:10,079 Speaker 1: I think you're alluding to as a guy losing confidence 176 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 1: and you know, getting out of his rhythm, and that 177 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 1: certainly was said last year. The thing my playing quarterback 178 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: is you're so dependent on so many other people, um, 179 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: and so you know, the way to get it back is, 180 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: first of all, the change of environment. You know, sometimes 181 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: the change of environment is a good thing. And you know, 182 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: we all know that what Doug Peterson did in Philadelphia 183 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: and helping that and leaving that team and organization to 184 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 1: a world championship, he obviously put together a world class environment. 185 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 1: But then over sometimes things change and and and people change, 186 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 1: and it just doesn't things go soap for whatever the 187 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 1: reasons are, and it was just the right time I 188 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 1: think for further change for Carson. And I think the 189 00:10:56,160 --> 00:11:00,439 Speaker 1: culture here and the team and the roster here is 190 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 1: just built for He's the right piece to plug in 191 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: for us. I think he feels that. I even think 192 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 1: this area of the country, here's a guy from North Dakota, 193 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: so you know, even in the Midwest, even though I 194 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: think Carson did a great job and connecting with the 195 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 1: Philly fans and becoming part of the city, I think 196 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: this is a natural home to him. And then as 197 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: far as a player, Colin, you know, you just go 198 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: back to the basics, We go back to ground up. 199 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: And I've said here in the media that I don't 200 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: like to think that he was broken. It's just a 201 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: question of resetting, refocusing, put him in the right environment. 202 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: And just go through that process day by day, and 203 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: I'm expecting the big things. Your opening schedule is to 204 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: be diplomatic, brutal. I mean, you guys got no breaks 205 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:48,559 Speaker 1: in your first five weeks. I do think you can 206 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: win the division and not have Carson Wentz around for 207 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: a month. I do. I think you're really well coached. 208 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:57,959 Speaker 1: I think you have great line play, some of that drafting, 209 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: some trades, some just development. Both lines are really solid. 210 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor end of the year, Michael Pittman. Really, you know, 211 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 1: you really saw stars emerging. I could also make an argument, 212 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: as good as you are, Frank, you go one in 213 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 1: five or you know, one in four in this league 214 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 1: it is you are, it is hard to get back, 215 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: Is it possible? Jacob sam Ellinger. Young guys don't have 216 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: a lot of reps that maybe the answer is not 217 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:33,959 Speaker 1: currently in camp and somebody coming outside in may very well, 218 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 1: based on the difficulty of schedule, maybe the answer yeah, Well, 219 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: you know, first of all, you know, first of all, yeah, 220 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: it's a legitimate question. I mean it's a question. You 221 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 1: have to can't ignore that question. So and it's not 222 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 1: being ignored, but you know, we have to have a 223 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 1: maturity here in a perspective here that we can do that, 224 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 1: we can keep our head down with the guys that 225 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: we got and feel confident the guys that we got. 226 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: You know, I understand that Chris Bower as a GM, 227 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 1: he can have that perspective, um and be thinking and 228 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: where the course have those conversations. But what I'm thinking is, 229 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: you know, our roster is our roster. Let's get these 230 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: guys ready to play. And then secondly, I mean, I'm 231 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: hoping the best with Carson. 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The gaming problem 255 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: called one eight hundred five two two forty seven hundred 256 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: in Colorado, one eight hundred nine with it in Indiana, 257 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: and one eight hundred gambler in Jersey. Darius Leonard got picked, 258 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: and I went back knowing that you were going to 259 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: be on, and there were people like, who's Darius Leonard? 260 00:14:56,400 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: This isn't a great pick. And then literally a imediately 261 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: I went back when he arrived with the Colts, and 262 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: you know, the early reviews are, oh, good, lord, this 263 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: guy is incredible. When you make the pick, you obviously 264 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: had seen him. You talked to battery, But go back 265 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: to the first like a practice with a Darius Leonard 266 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: and you're just like, now, you don't want to tell him, 267 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: you don't want to shout it, but you whisper to somebody, Oh, 268 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: what did we get our hands on here? Yeah? It 269 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: was immediate because of two things. You know. One like, 270 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: he steps out on the field and really it's not 271 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: just on the field, it's anywhere. And he just had 272 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: this guy. We talked about juice and energy, and nobody 273 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: has it like Darius. Okay, nobody. I've never been around 274 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: anybody like this guy. He steps on the field and 275 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: the whole field lights up. I mean he just has 276 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: He has that much juice and love and passion for 277 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: the game. I know we all do, but he just 278 00:15:55,520 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: got away about him that is special. And then in league, 279 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: you know, yes, he's physically talented. There's a lot of 280 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: guys physically talented, but he's got that gift of seeing 281 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: a play happened before it happens, you know, like knowing 282 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: what's going to happen, and he's there, and then he 283 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: has the length and the attitude to finish plays. And 284 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: the great thing about Darius is he's proven it in 285 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 1: the years, in the three years that he's been here. 286 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: Well what I mean, it's not just making a million tackles. 287 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: It's causing fumbles, recovering fumbles, making interceptions and sacking the quarterback. 288 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: He does everything. I mean, he can make plays at 289 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: every level, and he makes them consistently, and he's done 290 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: that for three straight years. Former NFL scout my buddy 291 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: John Mintelcoff three and Out podcast. He's a rock star. 292 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: A lot of stuff to talk about. I took a 293 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: four day siesta to Park City, which was amazing. All right, 294 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: let's start with this. Calvin Johnson didn't think the Lions. 295 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 1: I was okay with it. In his Hall of Fame speech, 296 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: if you've ever worked for a lousy company, I don't 297 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 1: think just because you've employed me at one point, I 298 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: have spend a lot of time given you kudos. I 299 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: also thought Peyton Manning saying he's not done with the game, 300 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 1: he wants to be part of the growth was cool. 301 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: And I also thought John you know one of the 302 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 1: things this sounds probably corny, but I think It's pretty 303 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:20,679 Speaker 1: remarkable that Peyton Manning's arch rival Tom Brady is a 304 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: couple of rows back, and I thought to myself, that 305 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: is fantastic. Not everybody has to hate everybody, Not everybody 306 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: has to be Michael Jordan and Isaiah Thomas. I loved it, 307 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: And you know, my takeaway was all these things were 308 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: really emotional and fantastic. But I'm gonna take the I'm 309 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:41,360 Speaker 1: gonna take Calvin Johnson's side, and I really love that 310 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 1: Peyton Manning is all in. I'm not going anywhere. I'm 311 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 1: going to be part of this league for a long time. 312 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: Just your thoughts over all the weekend. Yeah, I mean 313 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:53,160 Speaker 1: I've been lucky enough, you know, working in football before 314 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 1: I got into doing this, and I've always believed that 315 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 1: the highest level people in that profession, college and pros 316 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: would be the highest level people in society. I mean 317 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 1: there's nothing. I mean, John Lynch, what could John Lynch 318 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 1: not have done if he hadn't made it in the NFL? Right, 319 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: Peyton's the same way. Now, they had Hall of Fame careers. 320 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: But you've been around John Lynch, I mean it's they're 321 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:16,199 Speaker 1: a higher level guy around you know. I mean he 322 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: just smart, smart and adaptable. Yeah, and Peyton's just a 323 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 1: unique I've always believed this and been saying this for 324 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 1: a long time. I think that for the Internet age, 325 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: that Peyton and Tom were the Magic and Larry of 326 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 1: you know, a football taking it to another stratosphere. Now 327 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: where the analogy gets weird. Tom also morphed into Michael Jordan, 328 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: so he kind of played both roles. But Peyton is 329 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 1: a very unique personality. And you see the story, I 330 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: know you detached from social media. The Lions had offered 331 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: Calvin Johnson five hundred thousand dollars to become a part 332 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 1: of his organization. He said no, And I saw a 333 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: lot of people on the internet making a big deal 334 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 1: five hundred thousand dollars. He's the second most famous player 335 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:58,880 Speaker 1: in the history of the franchise. Like this is the franchise. 336 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 1: They's got three hundred million of their media rights bill. Like, 337 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: if you want to get Calvin Johnson who made HUT, 338 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: I think like one hundred and fifty million dollars in 339 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: his career, who has a thriving weed business. Now, like 340 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: you got to offer a little bit more than that. 341 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: Like that's that to me. He's on the line. It's 342 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: just a low level franchise. It's really remarkable. I was 343 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: thinking about this. I talked about on the three and Out, 344 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: like Peyton, Lynch and Charles Woodson are good examples of three. 345 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,119 Speaker 1: I mean, Charles and Peyton are all time talents. John 346 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: had to be kind of put in the right situation. 347 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: But even Peyton Manning, whose viewed is one of the 348 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: greatest quarterbacks of all time, a lot of stuff was 349 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: out of his control. Right. He was lucky he got 350 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: drafted to a team with a Hall of Fame general 351 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 1: manager who already had Marvin Harrison. The following year that 352 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,880 Speaker 1: GM passed on Ricky Williams drafted Edger and James who 353 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 1: also went into the Hall of Fame. Yer. Peyton really 354 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: benefited a lot from Indie's structure. They got Tony Dungee 355 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 1: when he got fired, like he's an all time grinder 356 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: worker and controlling what he could control. There's probably never 357 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 1: Brady kind of copied Peyton the second half of his career, 358 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: but Peyton benefited a lot from those people. Same with Charles, 359 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 1: like he couldn't you know, the Raiders let him go. 360 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 1: He ends up with Green Bay thinking he's getting with 361 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: far it turns into Rogers, they win the Super Bowl. 362 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 1: He's the defensive player of the Year. I thought it 363 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,919 Speaker 1: was just a great Sunday night. Was pretty special. The 364 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 1: lineup of guys that they threw out their big night 365 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 1: for the NFL. All right, tell me is there you 366 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: know we've got camp news every other day, there's something 367 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: that jumps out. Is there a story to you that's 368 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 1: underreported or story or interest today? Yeah? I got something. 369 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:33,919 Speaker 1: They had. The Jets had a you know, a scrimmage, 370 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 1: you know thing at MetLife on Saturday, and Zach Wilson 371 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 1: was terrible and seeing and listen, the media and the 372 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: fan and the fans are just going to react to 373 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: the media and the mock drafts. So when a guy 374 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: gets drafted too high or too low, their anger is 375 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: based on what they've read or what they've seen, and 376 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 1: maybe some of these really famous guys they've watched him play. 377 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 1: But we got to the point last year going in 378 00:20:56,320 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: like Brian Flores and Chris Grew with the Dolphins. Whether 379 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 1: everyone loved the two a pick or not, it doesn't matter. 380 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 1: It's their job to get it right. That's their only 381 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 1: job is to pick the right player, not who's going 382 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: to give him the best draft grades or not. The 383 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: Jets just it felt like just locked into Zach Wilson 384 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: from right after the season they did. Listen, I'm out 385 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,199 Speaker 1: there with Trey Lance. Listen. I didn't know that much 386 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: about him, Like most people in North Dakota State, I've 387 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 1: never seen him play. But by the time the draft 388 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:25,360 Speaker 1: process happens, you get to go meet him and see him. 389 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: And how could you walk around this guy or even 390 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: watching Justin Fields at some Bears practice and just be like, 391 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:32,719 Speaker 1: we have to take It'd be one thing if he 392 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: was coming from Alabama, right Zach Wilson. He was at 393 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: BYU in a Corona year where they weren't playing anyone. 394 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 1: And I'm not saying I'm not trying to like write 395 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: his career resume right now, but he's not as physically 396 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 1: talented as ty Lanz Fields. And to just think now, 397 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: and I don't know, maybe the Niners would have taken 398 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 1: Zach Wilson over Trey Lance. I don't know. I don't 399 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: have that information right now. I'm sure we're going to 400 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: find out his years come if one of them doesn't 401 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: turn out to be very good. That seems kind of crazy. 402 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: That's something just to keep an eye on, because I 403 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: know this, that guy with Kyle's more than likely going 404 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,640 Speaker 1: to be pretty good. And Zach Wilson turnover in New York, 405 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: the pressure New York guy, a lifetime Utah guy going out. 406 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,880 Speaker 1: They're huge, jump up a lot going on. The Jets 407 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 1: have a first time coordinator, a first time head coach. 408 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: Someone told me this because one thing Zach Wilson has 409 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 1: like some cockiness and that turns people off. But Joe 410 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: Douglas is a Baltimore Raven guy and they kind of 411 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,199 Speaker 1: like that, right. They had been around ray Lewis and 412 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,479 Speaker 1: Ed Reid like they kind of eat that up. And 413 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 1: someone I was like, he's really gonna like Zach Wilson. 414 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, they're gonna like he's gonna like kind 415 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 1: of his arrogance and just when he walks in the room, 416 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,439 Speaker 1: he thinks he belongs. But you also have to have 417 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: the talent to go around with that. I'm not saying 418 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 1: he's not talented, but no way, he is physically gifted 419 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 1: as the Bears and the Niners guy, he's just not 420 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: so and that market man and you know you've lived 421 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: in the Northeast it is intense, so better Dial. This 422 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: could be a long season. They just might not be 423 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: that talented this year, right, So can can you battle 424 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: through the adversity? I don't know. Well, it's not a 425 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: good ownership group with the Jets. You also have arguably 426 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,919 Speaker 1: the best defensive coach in league history in Belichick, the 427 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 1: best young defensive coach in Sean McDermott, the second best 428 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: young defensive coach and Brian Flores. So I've said this before. 429 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: There's nobody, including Tom Bredier in Montana, when you talk 430 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 1: about the great quarterbacks, there's nobody that had a shitty coach. 431 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: I got nothing against Robert Sala, but there is no 432 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: way for the next two years he is not the 433 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: fourth best coach in that division. That's what he is 434 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:36,360 Speaker 1: with the worst supporting roster Zach Wilson has. So I 435 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: think I've said this every year there's a kid, and 436 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 1: I have my doubts. I don't think the Zach Wilson 437 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: thing is gonna work. I don't. Yeah, I think it's 438 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: going to be very, very difficult. I really do. And 439 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: again it's just social media clips. It sure looks like Sam, 440 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,479 Speaker 1: Like could they have just roll with Sam and traded 441 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 1: that for a bounty and got a bunch of stuff 442 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 1: and kind of built up their team fast. And they 443 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,880 Speaker 1: had a guy like, what are the chances that Zach 444 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,639 Speaker 1: Wilson is more talented than Sam Darnold. Well, he's not 445 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: as big, he's not as strong. And there were guys 446 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: reports in the building that I think some of the 447 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: coaches were like, let's just take this guy in trade. 448 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: But the GM and the new head coach always want 449 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: their young guy buys you a little more time. But 450 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,679 Speaker 1: that's just one of those situations. Colin. It feels like 451 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: some to monitor, That's all I'm gonna say, some to monitor. 452 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 1: So let's bring in less sneed rams. GM now for 453 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: nine years, made the playoffs three of the last four years, 454 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: with a Super Bowl appearance. He was a Falcon's director 455 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: of player Personnel. Falcon Scout jag Scout New York Daily 456 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: News called him football's most interesting. GM certainly qualifies as that. 457 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: So let's start with this. Are you as aggressive in 458 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: other areas of your life as you are as a 459 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: GM When you play golf? Do you never lay up? 460 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:57,199 Speaker 1: Is that your personality or is it just work as 461 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 1: a football GM because your scene is very aggressive. Excellent question. 462 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,199 Speaker 1: So let's take golf. I'll answer it this way. Golf, 463 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: I might be why not if I get a chance 464 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: to play Augusta, why not go for the green? And two? 465 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,959 Speaker 1: I have nothing to lose. Maybe you're one shot plan Augusta. Right, 466 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 1: Let's take real life. I'm not going to go skydiving. 467 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 1: I have no interest in bungee jumping off a high 468 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 1: bridge or what have you. So you know, let's take 469 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 1: it investing. If I'm not an expert, I'll probably be 470 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,400 Speaker 1: conservative and maybe listen to some advisors and things like that. 471 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:39,239 Speaker 1: So I think that, to sum it up, is is 472 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 1: in our business. I do think it's a very competitive business. 473 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: If Peter Phiel once said, you know, competition is for losers. 474 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: You don't want to get in the NFL. So at 475 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 1: what point do you right have to make an aggressive move, 476 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: take a risk to with the bed of maybe gaining 477 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:04,439 Speaker 1: Joan the thirty one other competitors in this I mean, 478 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 1: you're on pace to go seven years without a first 479 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 1: round pick, and I've always had it's sort of a 480 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 1: Malcolm Gladwell take. But I thought I mentioned this about 481 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 1: five years ago, is that all these players are of 482 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 1: high risk, and the feeling is there's always about fifteen 483 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 1: guys in the first round who are, if not can't miss. 484 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,400 Speaker 1: They're physically different, they're just special players. They're receivers that separate. 485 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 1: They're Chase Young, they're Trevor Lawrence, you know, unless barring 486 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 1: an injury, it's hard to see him missing after that. 487 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: From about the sixteenth or seventeenth pick in the first round, 488 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: you know, to late second I feel like there's not 489 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,199 Speaker 1: a huge gap with players. It's more about if the 490 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: system's good and they're and they're coachable, they're gonna be 491 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 1: good players. So my theory has always been I would 492 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: always try to first round pick for a Jalen Ramsey 493 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 1: or a Jamal Adams. I don't have a problem with it. 494 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: Is that kind of your theory the Malcolm Gladwell that 495 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,679 Speaker 1: for the money, you're really about are off starting in 496 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: the second round and having two seconds over one first 497 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 1: and that's where the value is very similar to to 498 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: our philosophy. And you mentioned Chase Young, there's I mean, 499 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:11,680 Speaker 1: I don't know if there's fifteen to him, and I 500 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 1: don't think he meant that right. So they're easy even 501 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: to cut off after after Chase Young, but yes, when 502 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: and it's the formulas this if we if we think 503 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:27,360 Speaker 1: we're in this phase of contending, of having winning seasons, 504 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: your your your probability of picking uh, let's call it 505 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:37,400 Speaker 1: top ten is low, barring any catastrophe, and you can 506 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,159 Speaker 1: use two first round picks to maybe go get a 507 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: top five pick like a Jalen Ramsey, who's who has 508 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: already lived up to top five potential. There's now the 509 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: guesswork is out of it, the projections out of it, 510 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 1: the developments out of it, and if that, if that 511 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 1: player can help our team, we'll probably do it a 512 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: lot and we'll try to make up for the rest 513 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: right uh, in the back end the draft, whether it's 514 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 1: trading back to acquire more dicks in the second, third, fourth, 515 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 1: fifth round and using the you know, the acquisition mechanisms 516 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,400 Speaker 1: as creative as possible. So I speculated throughout the year, 517 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 1: I said, um I had said on the air, I 518 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,200 Speaker 1: said McVeigh has lost trust and golf I just sense it. 519 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 1: And it was a San Francisco game, I think it 520 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: was up there and I said, this isn't gonna work. Guys, 521 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:32,439 Speaker 1: there's there's a problem now, and you're an aggressive GM. 522 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 1: Shawn's an aggressive coach. And this is not a shot 523 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: at Jared, but between Russell Wilson twice a year and 524 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan twice a year, you can't stand pat everything. 525 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: You guys have to be moving. And so at some point, 526 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: you know, you guys decide, you know, the golf fit, 527 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: We're gonna make a move. Do you remember the conversation, 528 00:28:55,560 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 1: the epiphany, the moment when you just sat down and said, Okay, 529 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 1: this kid got to the Super Bowl two years earlier. 530 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,719 Speaker 1: This is gonna make news. We're gonna have to give 531 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: up some picks. Take me to that place for you, 532 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: less that moment when you just said it's a big swing, 533 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: I'm going for it. Well, I think it was probably 534 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 1: some time after, but the opportunity presented itself right where 535 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: we had a chance to acquire a quarterback with elite skills, 536 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 1: and Jared has some elite QB skills, but also a 537 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: quarterback right that has unique experience and the unique part 538 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 1: of it would be I hate throwing that word around, 539 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 1: but in Matt's case, take the skill out, take the 540 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 1: production out right from for a lot of touchdowns and 541 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 1: all the yards, a lot of comebacks, all of those things. 542 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: The unique part of the experience was, Okay, Matts. Matt's 543 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: been running a pro style offense probably since pee wee football, 544 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: and he did it in junior high high school. He 545 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 1: did the Georgia under Mark Ricky. So it was that 546 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 1: moment where while there's an opportunity where there's an elite 547 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: QB with this experience that now messages with Sean and 548 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 1: let's go message where where we were at in the 549 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 1: window where a lot of our skill or in their prime, 550 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 1: a lot of our defenders in their prime, this might 551 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 1: be an opportunity we can't patch and the thing and 552 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 1: now there's a human involved, Jared Galtz a great human being, 553 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 1: and he might can get to where Matt's act. That's 554 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: just going to take time that Matt had and he didn't, 555 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: and it's a it's a it's a very very tough 556 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 1: decision when you do that. But the thing that I 557 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 1: can say is because of Jared and because of what 558 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 1: he did for us and helped us get to this point, 559 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: it enabled someone like Matt to say, you know what, 560 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 1: I'd like to be a part of the RAMS. Right 561 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 1: if we didn't have Jared Calton he didn't help us 562 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 1: have the success we had. Matt could have easily said 563 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 1: to Detroit because he had options and they and Detroit 564 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: had options, and we all wanted Matt, but hey, I 565 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 1: would rather go to the Rams because they're more ready 566 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 1: to win than maybe Team BC or D and Jared 567 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 1: had a lot to do with them, which is, I 568 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 1: guess ironic and what is what makes this business extremely 569 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 1: tough when you have to make those type phone calls 570 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 1: and decision That wrapped it up for the week before 571 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 1: heading into another big week here at the Volume. 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