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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Nol.

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Speaker 3: They call me Ben. We're joined with our super producer,

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Speaker 3: Paul Mission Control Decant. Most importantly, you are you. You

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Speaker 3: are here. That makes this the stuff they don't want

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Speaker 3: you to know, coming to you directly from Earth. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that was a good way to open it, right. Still, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: just get in front of that. We get that question

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Speaker 3: pretty often.

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Speaker 4: Earth realm, guys. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 5: I've been playing the New Mortal Kombat a lot lately,

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Speaker 5: so I exclusively refer to this planet as Earth realm

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Speaker 5: ight love it.

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Speaker 3: In Neil Stephenson's Anathema, which is anathem which is a fantastic,

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Speaker 3: by the way, examination of multi dimensional stuff that I

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Speaker 3: don't want to spoil. But in that one, uh, there

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Speaker 3: are different versions of Earth and they all have a

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Speaker 3: name derived from if dominant civilizations went a different way.

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Speaker 3: So there's like laterire where sort of France became like

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Speaker 3: the United Kingdom. Basically anyway.

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Speaker 4: Nice soon?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, sorry.

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Speaker 3: Techechnic is coming out too, Tech and eight is coming out.

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Speaker 4: That's fine, and I've never been a tech inhead.

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Speaker 5: But the New Mortal Kombat is like a reboot kind

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Speaker 5: of almost like Marvel Cinematic Universe style, where it's like

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Speaker 5: a multiversal version of the whole Mortal Kombat lore, which

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Speaker 5: has never been like that deep. But they really do

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Speaker 5: a good job with it. And man, some of the

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Speaker 5: cinematics in it. You look at it and you think

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Speaker 5: you're watching a movie. I mean, they've really got that's

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Speaker 3: They're good with the cut scenes, but I am a

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Speaker 3: tech tech them forever.

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Speaker 2: Bring me Kuma any day?

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Speaker 5: Is that you play as a giant panda?

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, it's a bear.

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Speaker 2: It's a bear, different.

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Speaker 5: Skins, and there's also a isn't there a boxing kangaroo

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Speaker 5: named Roger?

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Speaker 4: Did I make that up?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Roger comes and goes. It depends on the iteration

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Speaker 3: iteration kind of. But it does not have any good aliens.

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Speaker 3: They're not good aliens in Teken and it's also a

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Speaker 3: there are no good aliens in astronomy, they're actually zero

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Speaker 3: proven aliens. I know, but it's it's a pickle. We

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Speaker 3: talked about the Fermi paradox in the past. It is

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Speaker 3: mathematically certain that life has to exist somewhere out in

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Speaker 3: the ink, but those same numbers that make life statistically

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Speaker 3: inevitable make it highly improbable, almost certain, that human life

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Speaker 3: and these other life forms will not interact directly. Right,

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Speaker 3: that's the great bummer.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, m it's just so far away.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so much time too.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, he's kind of so poudy just then

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Speaker 2: I mean, just the fact that we can see so

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Speaker 2: no way to do anything about it. Or we've come

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Speaker 2: up with some really interesting ways and we're going to

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Speaker 2: it's the time. The time is the problem. You're right, Yeah, you.

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Speaker 3: Haven't thought about the time? Yeah, like the time like

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Speaker 3: They have no idea that we made Velcrow and Tang

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Speaker 3: and case ideas they have. They're so behind on Earth

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Speaker 4: Great Wonders of the World. You just mentioned him there

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Speaker 2: I go, that'd be pretty amazing if saw some life

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Speaker 5: I think I've mentioned this before, but it always reminds

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Speaker 5: me of this really wonderful episode of Pete and the

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Speaker 5: But it turns out he's an alien and he experienced

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Speaker 3: We see that time dilation idea in a lot of

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Speaker 3: thought about. Just the harrowing, astonishing math of what we

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Speaker 3: In tonight's episode, we're returning to something we talked about

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Speaker 3: in Strange News a while back. Did a Harvard astrophysicist,

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Speaker 3: Avi Lobe find proof of alien life? Here are the facts? Okay,

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Speaker 3: first off, not a wing nut. We have to say

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 5: Think any relation to the Lisa Lobe of Nine Stories

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Speaker 5: and Stay fame. But Professor Lobe is a storied scholar.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm not a member of nine Stories.

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Speaker 5: With tons of accolades under his belt across the course

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Speaker 4: What a show off, all from.

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Speaker 5: Hebrew University of Jerusalem, and currently he is the Frank B.

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Speaker 5: Baird Junior Professor of Science at Harvard University. That sounds

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Speaker 5: like some accolades that are pretty legit. Some bonafides if

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, if any of that sounds familiar, Ben, you

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Speaker 2: brought this up, I think on Strange News back in

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Speaker 2: September last year. That's all I was like, Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: this is all coming back. So Arvy Lobe is a

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Speaker 2: fascinating person. Before we like, we cannot understate this. This

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Speaker 5: But it also reminds me of kind of what's going

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Speaker 5: it really makes you start to think, you know, maybe

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's also he by all accounts, is a

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Speaker 3: that gift that some of our favorite scientists exhibit, which

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Speaker 3: is being able to explain tremendously complex things in approachable,

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Speaker 4: Science communicator.

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Speaker 2: There's one article that I think we all read for

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Speaker 3: He also he also will I mean, because again he's

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Speaker 3: any number of interviews with him. People just show up

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Speaker 3: but there's also a lot of like hanging out discursive

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Speaker 3: the guy's like, cool, okay, thanks, doc.

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Speaker 5: But that's just a sign of someone who's genuinely passionate

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Speaker 4: This is somebody wants to spread.

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Speaker 5: The word beyond those kind of niche corners of Harvard

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's written quite a robust body of scientific literature.

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Speaker 3: He has made notable contributions to multiple fields of physics

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Speaker 3: Books like Extraterrestrial The First Side of Intelligent Life Beyond

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Speaker 3: the Search for Extraterrestrial Life and Our Future in the Stars,

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Speaker 3: I mean, we could spend hours talking about this exoplanets,

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Speaker 2: And let's talk about just really quickly, this starshot mission.

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Speaker 2: This is something that is so interesting to me, and

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Speaker 2: I think maybe one of the biggest takeaways is something

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Speaker 2: that's stated in an article written for Scientific American by

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Speaker 2: and Fink Biner. So the concept is to create these tiny, little,

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Speaker 2: almost weightless things that would be a solar sale attached

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Speaker 2: this thing once it's in orbit, and it ends up

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Speaker 2: accelerating to about twenty percent the speed of light and

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Speaker 2: But just that concept.

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Speaker 3: Auvi was on the.

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Speaker 2: Team that was developing this project and that kind of

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Speaker 2: even possible as a concept is because this billionaire, Yuri

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Speaker 2: Milner had he was a billionaire and he was like, well,

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Speaker 2: let's try something crazy. Here's one hundred million dollars. Let's

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Speaker 2: put a team together and find out if we can

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Speaker 5: Quick reminder, solar sales that is existing technology, right, that's

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Speaker 4: I think it is kind of conceptual.

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Speaker 2: Still, everything in the project when it was created was conceptual,

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Speaker 5: Solar sale is a material or a technology that essentially

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Speaker 4: That resen So it's the rest of the day, Dade,

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Speaker 5: You know, it's funny that we have a podcast on

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Speaker 3: And why is everybody interested in this thing? Again, you

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Speaker 4: Yeah, some sort of a space jetsum, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, But think about this. He is working on a

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Speaker 3: And there's there's a logic to it that I love.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's not forget things like that fly through Earth's

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Speaker 4: Give a meta is a bad rap from then on out,

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, and what makes basically what makes this object special?

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Speaker 2: Because often it's just a meteorite that lands and hits

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Speaker 3: is the one that hits No meteorite is the one

439
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Speaker 3: that hits earth, right.

440
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 4: It breaks off usually, right? Is that the deal? Okay?

441
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 3: So shout out to NASA dot gov for meteors and

442
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:43,919
Speaker 3: meteorite facts. Love it.

443
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, like, so, I imagine if it's a meteor shower, right,

444
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 2: you're gonna look up in the sky and see shooting

445
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 2: stars that are just flying through, maybe impacting the atmosphere,

446
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 2: but they just continue on their way. Meteorite is the

447
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 2: one that lands, got it, Okay?

448
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 3: And meteoroids are rocks.

449
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 2: Heck, yeah, okay, so what about asteroids? What about metroids,

450
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 2: me hemorrhoids.

451
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 3: Wait, what's the name of the protagonist, the metroid Samos? Samos?

452
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:13,160
Speaker 3: That's right, what a great name.

453
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 4: I almost said Seamus. That would have been so.

454
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 3: Lob and Sarage are looking through their files and credit

455
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 3: where it's due. Saraj has this moment where he's looking

456
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 3: at this fireball from twenty fourteen and he says, hey,

457
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 3: this little guy is moving way too fast to be

458
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 3: gravitationally bound to the Sun, which other things in the

459
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 3: Solar system are. So where did it come from? What

460
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 3: does that indicate about its origin? They say, Okay, we

461
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 3: got to go figure out, like we have to get

462
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 3: boots on the ground, right, this is where the cool

463
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 3: metal detector story comes in. And then, like so much

464
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,919
Speaker 3: other science, they said, who, we're going to need some

465
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 3: cash because it's a it's kind of out of the

466
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 3: way to get to Papua New Guinea.

467
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:03,919
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, then there's much research to be done and diving.

468
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 3: And diving is crazy expensive maritime maritime sensors and research

469
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 3: of that nature gets very expensive very quickly. As Paul

470
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 3: and I can attest from Missing in Alaska. It's a

471
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 3: fantastic show. Season three is on the way. Everybody, please

472
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 3: check it out. You might hear some familiar voices. So

473
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 3: several years after they start digging into this and they

474
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 3: see this anomalous thing in the records, they say this like,

475
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,640
Speaker 3: they go public and they say, look, this might be interstellar.

476
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 3: We're pretty sure it's interstellar. It could also be something

477
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 3: made rather than something that just happened, and across the planet,

478
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 3: physicists and scholars trembled. There was a disturbance in the force,

479
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 3: because that's stuff that that stuff that makes the news

480
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 3: when a Harvard expert says it, and so he's like, look,

481
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 3: this could be alien technology. It could be used. He

482
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 3: it could have used a solar sale.

483
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 2: It could have been like starshot exactly again why this

484
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 2: is so fascinating, and also why other scientists in his

485
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 2: field are like, come on, Abby.

486
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 3: Snatch right, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, that's that's right. He

487
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 3: his team, though, they soldier on and in April of

488
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two, a merre rights an article confirming that

489
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 3: the Department of Defense's Space Command has got up got

490
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:52,120
Speaker 3: together with NASA because Space Command for a militant society

491
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 3: like the US tends to have the best space sensors.

492
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 3: I feel like that's a diplomatic way to say it, anyway.

493
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 3: So they got with those guys, figured out what they could,

494
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 3: you know, get past security clearances and all this other stuff,

495
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 3: and they were able to confirm with ninety nine point

496
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 3: nine percent certainty that this meteor was interstellar.

497
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 4: WHOA.

498
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 2: So they confirmed that obvious suspicions might have they let's

499
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 2: get let's say they have fifty percent more sand to

500
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 2: them that it could be something made. Even though that

501
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 2: is an extraordinary claim, right, we do know that it

502
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 2: came from somewhere else. So in May of twenty twenty three,

503
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 2: that expedition that we were hoping was going to happen

504
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 2: is happening.

505
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 3: We were not called. But that's fine. No, I just

506
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 3: really want to get out to that part of the world, man,

507
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 3: don't you. Even though the capital is very dangerous. Really, yeah,

508
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 3: it's super dangerous that capital. Yeah, Port Moresbio.

509
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 2: I think it's called I still want to go. Let's go.

510
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 3: Let's go. That's what they said. They said for science,

511
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 3: And for.

512
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 2: Like a month, they searched and searched and they're like, well,

513
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 2: I don't know, and guess what in June they found something.

514
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so a little bit about the search, all right.

515
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 3: They have a ship named the Silver Star Nice, and

516
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 3: they have on this ship they have a sled. It's

517
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 3: like a metal detector and a sled from a Christmas movie,

518
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 3: had a kid. The sled is riddled with these molybdenum

519
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 3: magnets on both sides and they drag it across the

520
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 3: seafloor and hope they pick stuff up. And this is

521
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 3: beyond a needle in a haystack situation. The ocean's kind

522
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 3: of big. They're looking for stuff that's kind of small.

523
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 3: They owe a lot of thanks to a crypto mogul,

524
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 3: as he's described Charles Hoskinson, who says, yeah, you can

525
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 3: use my jet. Here's one point five mil. Heck, yeah,

526
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 3: that wor nice.

527
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:04,959
Speaker 2: Mister h looks seriously. Thank you billionaires for wanting to

528
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 2: do something interesting like this every once in a while.

529
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 2: This is really good. Good on you billionaires.

530
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 3: I like that you didn't say specifically thank you for

531
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 3: doing something good. You said thank you for doing something interesting?

532
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, why not if you get the money, let's at

533
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 2: least make this thing a little bit weirder.

534
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, why not? Right, So when they drag

535
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 3: this sled across the floor of the ocean, they get

536
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 3: a lot of junk, black powder, volcanic ash, because volcanoes

537
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 3: have been a thing for a while, still very popular

538
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 3: in the Pacific Ocean. And Lobe starts getting by his

539
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 3: own admission, you can read this in an interview with

540
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 3: Times of Israel and several other interviews, because he does

541
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 3: them a lot. By his own emission, he and the

542
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 3: team were getting kind of frustrated. You know, we came

543
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 3: all this way, we're looking, we're looking, we're doing the

544
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 3: best science we can. We're filtering volcanic out and then

545
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 3: we're going through whatever's left with a microscope. And then

546
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 3: they find feerls mm hmmm. They find a bunch of

547
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:12,959
Speaker 3: tiny little balls.

548
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, yeah, these are not substantial in

549
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 2: any way. These are not pieces of a machine that

550
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 2: anyone would recognize as pieces of a machine. As you said,

551
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 2: They are like actually microscopic.

552
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 3: Right, They're very very small. I mean they range in size,

553
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 3: but we are talking millimeters and they are composed of

554
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 3: This is what amazes Avi in the team they're composed

555
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 3: of iron. Okay, that's fine, that happens. Magnesium, sure, why

556
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 3: not titanium?

557
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 4: Right on?

558
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 2: What you expect to see those, right, we expect in

559
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 2: the universe all over the place.

560
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 3: But we have a missing a missing expected house guest

561
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 3: here a very negligible amount of nickel, which is it's

562
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 3: a mystery at this point. Nichola is supposed to be there.

563
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 3: You know what I mean. You go to McDonald's, you

564
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 3: order a happy meal, it doesn't have fries. What's going on?

565
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 3: I guess they could do apples.

566
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 4: Comes from.

567
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 2: In my mind. It's like if you imagine the atmosphere,

568
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 2: but you find another atmosphere that appears to be breathable

569
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 2: for humans, and it's got a ton of oxygen and

570
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 2: a ton of carbon dioxide, but there's no nitrogen for

571
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 2: some reason.

572
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 3: Right barely. Any that's a great yeah, that's a great comparison.

573
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 3: And so Loeb explains this. He says, you know, compared

574
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 3: to what we know about metal alloys that humans make,

575
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 3: to compared to what we know about asteroids and the

576
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 3: familiar astrophysical sources, this stuff is weird. Also, thankfully it's magnetic.

577
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 3: That's the main way we're able to find it, and

578
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 3: there are probably a lot more of these things out there,

579
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,479
Speaker 3: and they're probably a lot smaller particles, like we are

580
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 3: just seeing the big chunks right of whatever this to

581
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 3: this wreckage was. And so he asked those questions. And

582
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 3: again people say it's controversial for him to even bring

583
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 3: these up. He says he and his team, to be clear,

584
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 3: a lot of people worked on this. They say, is

585
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 3: it possible that this just occurred naturally and to your point,

586
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 3: Matt came from a wildly different kind of environment or situation,

587
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 3: or did someone purposely make this thing? That's a very

588
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 3: dangerous question in the halls of academia.

589
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 2: Well, okay, so, oh boy, I'm going to ICP territory.

590
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 2: But how does one become magnetized? If one is a metal?

591
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 4: You're going to drop some bars from the Great Malenco.

592
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, no, I don't know what that is. But

593
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 2: I'm just wondering.

594
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 4: But I'm just wondering.

595
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 2: I don't know. Sorry, I'm just wondering if it's possible,

596
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 2: Like if you find a magnetized object or something. Usually

597
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 2: I would assume, and maybe I'm completely wrong with this,

598
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 2: I would assume that it became magnetized over time because

599
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 2: it's it's a metal that's capable of being magnetized, and

600
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 2: then it's been basically affected by the fields for long

601
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 2: enough that it then gains those properties. But like ICP,

602
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 2: I don't know how magnets.

603
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:31,280
Speaker 3: Work, Okay, I think you have to. I don't know either.

604
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 3: I know Magneto was right in the comics. That has

605
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 3: nothing to do with anything. I just want to say

606
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 3: that Magneto is right. But to become magnetized, a substance

607
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 3: or material has to have the ability to be magnetic, right,

608
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 3: like you can't magnetize everything, and it has to enter

609
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 3: the magnetic field of an existing magnet like Earth.

610
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:58,439
Speaker 4: Right right.

611
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 3: So I think that that's the basis of it. They

612
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 3: talk about it in the paper they publish, which you

613
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 3: can read for free online, and we'll tell you how

614
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,320
Speaker 3: to find that one at the end. Is that some

615
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 3: I think we're on base. I think that's roughly right.

616
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 3: Like man, magnetization is like radicalization you hang out with others.

617
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 2: Well, I think so, because of it's the electrons get, yes,

618
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 2: kind of angled in one direction, right when when you're magnetized,

619
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 2: and that occurs through some process there are a lot

620
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 2: of different types of magnetism. I just remember as a

621
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 2: kid doing those experiments where you run a magnet across

622
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 2: in one direction like a metal substance, and if you

623
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 2: do it long enough that that metal substance, if it

624
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 2: is able to be magnetized, becomes magnetized because you're effected

625
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 2: at its field and it's electrons. But so if you

626
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 2: find something on the bottom of the ocean floor, maybe

627
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 2: it's been there for a long time and it got

628
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 2: magnetized through some process running over I don't know, another

629
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 2: magnetized thing. I just don't understand it, and I feel

630
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 2: like such a dumb dumb.

631
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Speaker 3: And so critics again accused Professor Loebe of being too credulous,

632
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 3: right to having too much of a tendency to believe

633
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 3: in unproven things. But if you look at his actual

634
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 3: statements past the headlines, the stuff that he is stating

635
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 3: as fact is all logical and grounded. The stuff people

636
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 3: have a problem with him saying that stuff that it's

637
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:37,439
Speaker 3: what ifing. It's just asking questions, right, And I think

638
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 3: that's fine to do so, and you could argue that's

639
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 3: the heart of good science. He's just talking openly about

640
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 3: the possibilities because it hasn't been disproven. So like for example,

641
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 3: he talks in depth where he says, basically says, this

642
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 3: is already a win for science. We don't need aliens.

643
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 3: We found in interstellar object. This is something from outside

644
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 3: the Solar system. And unlike Mua Moa, this is the

645
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 3: one we can touch, right because we could send humanity

646
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 3: rather could send a craft to chase uma. It would

647
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 3: be very expensive, it would take a long time.

648
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 2: How do you catch up to that thing?

649
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 5: And I mean when you have questions like that, it

650
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 5: becomes a matter of priority where it's like you know

651
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 5: something that is reasonably going to yield.

652
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 3: Results exactly and it's such a gamble. I mean just

653
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:41,879
Speaker 3: just the math already is tough. So this is even

654
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 3: without the idea of extraterrestrials. This stuff here on the

655
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 3: ocean floor by Papua n Guiney. It's great. It's a

656
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 3: huge win for science. And people are only i think

657
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 3: looking at skance at it because they think maybe he's

658
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 3: asking to the questions he's pondering or to provocative because

659
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 3: he says, look is this technological in origin? Droplets melted

660
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 3: from a semiconductor or an electric circuit. But that explained

661
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 3: you know, magnetism.

662
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 2: There's something interesting too, because if you did design something

663
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 2: like this and you imagined it would one day interact

664
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 2: with an atmosphere at the speeds it's traveling to reach

665
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 2: another star system, you imagine it's going to break up

666
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 2: and probably you know, be broken down to its constituent

667
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 2: alloys and stuff, right, because it's going to probably burn

668
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 2: up unless it's made out of something that is designed

669
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 2: to both withstand that heat and pressure and the impact

670
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 2: into either a water or rocky substance as it impacts

671
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 2: a planet. I mean to be the interstellar spacecraft solar

672
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,879
Speaker 2: wind thing star shot that he was developing, is meant

673
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 2: to fly past, take some pictures, and then its mission

674
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 2: is over, continues barreling through towards another star maybe at

675
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 2: some point in its life, but humanity would never know

676
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 2: what happened to that thing after it makes its first pass.

677
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 2: If there's an extraterrestrial civilization that makes something like this

678
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:18,439
Speaker 2: and it's designed to fly through a star system and

679
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 2: maybe accidentally impacts Earth like them, information or the usefulness

680
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 2: of this machine theoretically would have already been done. It's

681
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 2: if you imagine it's sending signal as it's flying through

682
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 2: entering our star system. Oh there's a planet here. It's

683
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 2: sending information back to wherever it originated. Oh there's a planet,

684
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 2: and we're oh, and it's gone because it crashed, right,

685
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:48,280
Speaker 2: But it's fulfilled its purpose. Nobody's going to come looking

686
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 2: for it. But now that civilization would know that this

687
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 2: planet is.

688
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,439
Speaker 3: Here, Earth is compromised.

689
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 2: I mean, but really it's like it's almost like sending

690
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 2: out spores the the way the way Starshot was designed.

691
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 2: If there's another civilization doing that with just a much

692
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 2: more robust substance, it does feel like a very close

693
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 2: potential one to one.

694
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 3: And there are more questions too. I mean, in every

695
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 3: I think with Emerson who said, in every work of genius,

696
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,399
Speaker 3: we recognize our own rejected thoughts. They returned to us

697
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 3: with a sort of alienated majesty. But like, yeah, of

698
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 3: course we see ourselves in these things. And the neat

699
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 3: thing is that this idea, this theory, these suppositions do

700
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 3: line up, right, they do jibe together. And he is

701
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 3: not saying, by any means that that is true, nor

702
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 3: is he saying it's confirmed. He's saying it makes you wonder,

703
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, why is this alloy tougher than

704
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 3: iron meteors? Right? And what other questions do these initial

705
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 3: questions inspire. Here's a question from our producer, when are

706
00:40:58,440 --> 00:40:59,879
Speaker 3: these guys going to take an ad break?

707
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 4: Is it now? Ben? Is it now?

708
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:14,280
Speaker 3: I think we owe it to mister decant and we've returned.

709
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 3: All right, here's where we're at now. All in all,

710
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 3: Love's team has recovered something in the area of fifty

711
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 3: of these tiny spherical, mostly iron fragments. Again, the controversy stuff,

712
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 3: I think it's a little overblown and it's unfair to

713
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 3: the science being conducted. But we should note that not

714
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 3: all scientists are necessarily persuaded that these materials are interstellar.

715
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 3: At this point. They're saying there could be other explanations, right,

716
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 3: like terrestrial pollution, sad reality of the ocean. There's a

717
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 3: lot of human made stuff down there. Is it possible

718
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 3: that we just don't we just haven't recognized what human

719
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 3: made kind of thing produced this?

720
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 2: But what of the nickel?

721
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 3: But what about the nickel? We're not talking Royce the

722
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 3: five nine. Yeah, the nickel part is really interesting.

723
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 2: It is the lack of nickel really makes it makes

724
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 2: you again, makes Auvy and everybody else involved to go

725
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 2: that's kind of weird.

726
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 3: It takes it past the past the threshold of philosophy.

727
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 3: As Lot said, Yeah.

728
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 2: For sure, but again for a lot of other people

729
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 2: what you just said been potential pollution or some other

730
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 2: thing we're just not accounting for. Is a possibility here

731
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 2: of why there's no Nickel.

732
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 3: I guess, yeah, we have to, I mean we have

733
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 3: to be fair and say that. Professor Loeb, for his part,

734
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 3: he acknowledges that all of the investigative avenues must be explored,

735
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 3: and that he also says multiple times the extraordinary claims

736
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 3: require extraordinary evidence.

737
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 4: Dope.

738
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 3: Of course he's going to say that he's an astronomer

739
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 3: from Harvard, right, I feel like that.

740
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, but can can we get to go back

741
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 2: to be so? To me is one of the most

742
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 2: fascinating points in this whole episode.

743
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 3: Yeah. In Scientific American, and he appears in multiple Scientific

744
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:17,280
Speaker 3: American articles, as do his colleagues, etc. In one recent one,

745
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 3: he says, at this time, the possibility that any uap

746
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 3: R extraterrestrial is highly speculative emphasis hours, and he says,

747
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 3: but if we entertain this possibility for fun. Then the

748
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 3: tumbling motion of omuam woa could potentially be meant to

749
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 3: scan signals from all possible directions.

750
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 2: So let's talk about that. Let's talk about that. So

751
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 2: we believe omuama is shaped like a cigar, right, and

752
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:48,720
Speaker 2: then imagine it is spinning like long ways round, right, and.

753
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 3: It also rotating clockwise.

754
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 2: Exactly in this weird tumbling motion. And so imagine if

755
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 2: you have censors on both ends of the cigar, and

756
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 2: as it's tumbling around, it's just scanning literally everything. Did

757
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,280
Speaker 2: you guys see that movie Prometheus?

758
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it was had issues, but there were things

759
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 5: about it that I loved. I loved the depiction of

760
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 5: like ancient almost love Craftian beings.

761
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 3: Space is haunted.

762
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 2: Yeah that, well, this is not the same thing, but

763
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 2: I'm just this is what the picture in my mind.

764
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 2: They have these little spheres that one of the engineers

765
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 2: puts up into the like just kind of lets it

766
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 2: levitate and then it's live.

767
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 5: Boys, right, those are called the engineers, the big the

768
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 5: big giant gray guys.

769
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, well, well this is the human team when

770
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:34,399
Speaker 2: they arrive for the first time.

771
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 4: Are you talking about the things that shoot out the

772
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:40,399
Speaker 4: lasers and map the tunnels and tunnel yeah, so sorry,

773
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 4: they aren't. The other guys also called engineers literally.

774
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you're right, My bad.

775
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 3: I mean the Eldrich astronauts are called the engineers.

776
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 2: Yes, one of the human teams that is a specialist

777
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 2: in mapping these things uses that technology to scan those tunnels, right,

778
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 2: and the shape of the structure. And I'm imagining something

779
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 2: like this on much larger scale. But I don't know

780
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 2: why it wouldn't be shaped like a sphere or why

781
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 2: you wouldn't design it as a sphere, because you could

782
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 2: potentially have it spin in a much more uh, I

783
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 2: don't know, efficient fashion. It would also travel more efficiently.

784
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 3: If it's if it is intelligently designed, then we have

785
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 3: to also allow for possible cultural prejudices, right in terms

786
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 3: of design, like why.

787
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 2: Is shaped like that here?

788
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 3: Why do humans use ace ten in numbers? Right? Why?

789
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 3: Why is that the one?

790
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 4: I never thought about that? Geez Ben, we're involved.

791
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 2: No, you're you're absolutely right. But but in this in

792
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 2: this idea, uh aviy Lobe is saying, well, why not,

793
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,399
Speaker 2: like what if it's just for fun? Like what if

794
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 2: it is spinning around? Because it's got really powerful scanners

795
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 2: on those two ends, and it's just doing what it

796
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,879
Speaker 2: needs to do. And here's the other thing.

797
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, it's thought.

798
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 2: That Omua Muha has been traveling for hundreds of millions

799
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 2: of years.

800
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 4: Yes, so is it broken apart by then? Whatever? It

801
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 4: might be just.

802
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 2: The sheer rock of space and traveling between star systems

803
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 2: at least theoretically, but the thing has been bombarded by

804
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 2: cosmic rays and appears to have this red hue at

805
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 2: least scientists believe because of its irradiation. Basically over hundreds

806
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 2: of millions of years.

807
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 3: It's been through some rough roads, is what they're saying, right.

808
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,399
Speaker 2: I guess just if you send something out like that,

809
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 2: is it like our voyager system where we're monitoring it

810
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 2: for the entirety of its trek, or do we lose

811
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 2: contact with it interesting at some point? Or is it

812
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 2: a standalone Yeah, just so many possibilities you're saying it.

813
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 5: It might be some sort of alien space station that's

814
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 5: out there exploring and monitoring the cosmos like we do

815
00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:58,240
Speaker 5: with ours.

816
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 3: We're case for sci oh boy.

817
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, just a thing that goes and it just

818
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 2: sees what it sees and at some point its mission

819
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 2: is completed and it's sent all that information back to

820
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 2: wherever it originated.

821
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 4: I don't know.

822
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 2: For me, sensor systems are the concept of sensor systems

823
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 2: that have just been sent out not just our way,

824
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 2: but towards a bunch of other stars. Feels like a

825
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:27,359
Speaker 2: super plausible thing.

826
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 3: I mean, it seems like a logical inevitability for any

827
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 3: civilization that is interested in space exploration. You want to

828
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 3: see what's out there, so you have to build eyes

829
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:43,399
Speaker 3: and ears and then put those things on some kind

830
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 3: of device to go a little further than you can

831
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 3: on your planet. I mean, it's I think it's brilliant.

832
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 3: It also asked the question if this was made designed intelligently,

833
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 3: dare we say, then, how would the designers monitor it?

834
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 4: Right?

835
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:04,320
Speaker 3: What would be their medium of communication? Is it something

836
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 3: that humans are aware of? Is it something they could

837
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 3: remotely understand?

838
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 4: You know?

839
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 3: Are there a bunch of like little maybe on their world?

840
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 3: The life dominant life form is just like a naturally

841
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,479
Speaker 3: spinning cylinder. And those guys are like, well, of course,

842
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 3: is how we're going to build the satellite? Right, They'll

843
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 3: get it all the maybe they're like, all the evidence

844
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 3: we have proves that all life in the universe is

845
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 3: spinning cylinders, so they'll recognize this.

846
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 2: If they're also alive, that's it. Well, but would you

847
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 2: want to be found? I think Obvi's next point in

848
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 2: this quote, you've found man is again the next mind

849
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 2: blowing thing.

850
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:50,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, dark forest. So there's the idea that is so weird,

851
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 3: a cosmic stitch up that Umuamua could have arranged to

852
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 3: appear as coming from the neutral local standard of rest,

853
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 3: the what he called the galactic parking lot, such that

854
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 3: it disguises its origin.

855
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, would you really want a super powerful

856
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 2: advanced civilization to know exactly where you are? I mean

857
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 2: the way we did with Voyager and Forger two, the

858
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 2: one that had the golden plate on it, the Golden disc.

859
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,800
Speaker 3: It's the Vigier in Star Trek.

860
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 2: Would you really want to just say, hey, we're down here.

861
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 2: It feels like maybe a short sighted move, but.

862
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 4: I don't know.

863
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, the dark forest, Right, what's the like, what what's

864
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 3: the old riddle? What's the spookiest message you could receive

865
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 3: from like alien civilization? It's just be quiet, they're listening. Right.

866
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 3: No one would said that message because it would give

867
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 3: double way too. I mean this again, this is not

868
00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 3: is not proven, but it's it's we're thinking about it

869
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 3: just so. As he said, literally, it's fun to explore

870
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 3: it conceptually. And he also ends that quote by saying this,

871
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 3: rather than simply wonder about possible scenarios, we should collect

872
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 3: better scientific data and clarify the nature of uap is

873
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 3: a groom yep? I mean, how is that controversial?

874
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 4: You know?

875
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 2: Nope, that's it. That's the thing.

876
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 3: He also asked, what if this thing from twenty fourteen,

877
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 3: what if it's somehow tagged Earth and gave Amua mua

878
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 3: a destination point. WHOA, that's kind of cool, right, I

879
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 3: have no idea how that would work, because how would

880
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:44,839
Speaker 3: you observe it.

881
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 2: The thing in twenty fourteen enters the atmosphere and it's

882
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 2: still sending information back to its originating point as it's

883
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 2: entering the atmosphere, and he goes, oh, this planet has

884
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 2: a viable atmosphere for life. So then a mua mua

885
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 2: comes by and he's like, let's verify that information, and

886
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 2: they verify, and then in you know, twenty twenty five,

887
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 2: they show.

888
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 3: Up, yeah, or they just drove by and We're like, ah,

889
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 3: we could do a little better as this kind of

890
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 3: mids you know what I mean, like keep the windows

891
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 3: rolled up. It's a bad neighborhood. Oh jeez, I don't

892
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,839
Speaker 3: know though, I mean no, do you. What's your take

893
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 3: on these concepts?

894
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:31,320
Speaker 4: Man? Well, I'm no rocket scientist.

895
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 5: It fascinates me and I think it's endlessly curiosity inducing.

896
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 5: And then to hear somebody with this level of expertise

897
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 5: kind of ruminating on some of this stuff, it really

898
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 5: opens up the minds to the possibilities. You know, I

899
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 5: can't really speak to the specifics of what this thing

900
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 5: might be, but I am fascinated by the fact that

901
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 5: it's existed for so long, and it's moved so far

902
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 5: and maintain and you know it's size. I guess relative

903
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 5: size and shape, you know, based on what we know,

904
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 5: because I mean, if it was space wreckage or debris

905
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 5: or whatever, you think it would have broken apart over

906
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 5: time or you know, gotten smaller or fragmented or whatever.

907
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:19,439
Speaker 3: Maybe it did. Maybe that, of course, was a much

908
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,760
Speaker 3: bigger spinny cylinder, right.

909
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're all spinny cylinders, bro, It's just spinny cylinders

910
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 2: all the way down. That's exactly all. I don't, so

911
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 2: I want to read something from NASA's website. They've gotten

912
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 2: an overview on a muamua and this is a It

913
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 2: speaks to this concept that potentially it was that its

914
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 2: originating point was disguised, just because again I think this

915
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 2: makes the mind wonder if it's a possibility here you

916
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 2: preliminary orbital calculations suggest the object came from the approximate

917
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 2: direction of the bright star of Vega. That's from our

918
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 2: perspective here on Earth, right, not street Fighter to Vega

919
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 2: with the clause in, but that's in the northern constellation

920
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 2: of Lira. I guess if you're looking up there. However,

921
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,359
Speaker 2: it took so long for the interstellar object to make

922
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:14,399
Speaker 2: the journey, even at the speed of about fifty nine

923
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 2: thousand miles per hour that's twenty six point four kilometers

924
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:22,479
Speaker 2: per second, that Vega was not it was nowhere near

925
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 2: that or originating position when Amua Mua was there three

926
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:32,800
Speaker 2: hundred thousand years ago. So it it came from somewhere

927
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 2: that a star system has moved into at this point

928
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 2: when it you know, three hundred thousand years after it left.

929
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 2: So it just makes you go hmm. Man, there's more

930
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 2: to this.

931
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 3: I love it. I love the idea. The speculative stuff

932
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,319
Speaker 3: gets a lot of attension, and it should because it's

933
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:56,760
Speaker 3: smart to think about it, and it has. It brings

934
00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 3: more and more questions as way leads on the way.

935
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 3: But again, the science behind this too is legitimate. This

936
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 3: is a credible series of investigations. They're not playing around,

937
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 3: they're not trying to like builk people in some weird

938
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 3: you know by a piece of it is still a

939
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 3: rock scheme or whatever. So I have great respect for that,

940
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 3: and I also you know, it reminds me of the

941
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 3: Three Body Problem or the series that came out recently

942
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 3: or came out years ago that plays with the idea

943
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:36,839
Speaker 3: of dark Forest quite a bit. And it's ultimately, if

944
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 3: you think through it with with brutal logic, then it

945
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 3: feels like a prisoner's dilemma. Right. You simply cannot risk

946
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:52,839
Speaker 3: the entirety of your civilization on the gamble that another

947
00:54:53,000 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 3: civilization will understand, acknowledge, or be cool with you. Those

948
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 3: are all three tremendous assumptions, you know, uh, And to

949
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 3: get even one of them wrong could have existential consequences.

950
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so terrifying if a civilization of just like

951
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 2: oh you're who, I don't have time for this, and

952
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 2: literally like the wave of a hand kind of thing,

953
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 2: and we're just.

954
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 3: God, uh, this is a we have we have other

955
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 3: sons at home.

956
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah.

957
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 3: But but with that, you know, I think there's there's

958
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 3: something we can conclude, which is Loeb is not claiming

959
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 3: that he and his team or anyone have found proof

960
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 3: of extraterrestrial civilization or life. He is saying that they

961
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 3: have found something extraordinarily strange, and at this point he

962
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 3: is asking what if. And he's one of the smartest,

963
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 3: most well positioned people to ask that sort of question.

964
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 3: That's the soul of goods. I also all got I

965
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 3: love the idea of haunted space, and I just if

966
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 3: you guys are kid with it, I have to ask

967
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:09,399
Speaker 3: you about this comic book series. I want to see

968
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 3: if you've read it, Outer Darkness.

969
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 4: I don't think I know that one.

970
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 3: You are going to love it.

971
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 4: Cool.

972
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 3: It's it's like imagine all your favorite horror movies, hauntings,

973
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 3: demonic possession, lovecraft stuff, really weird period fiction. It's all

974
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:33,359
Speaker 3: in there. It's an absolute great rate.

975
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I've heard about this. It's on a list

976
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 2: of ones that I'm supposed to pick up.

977
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:44,280
Speaker 5: Oh what, there's another really good one called Nameless.

978
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I love Nameless.

979
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:51,879
Speaker 5: That one's upsetting, Yeah, gnarly. I would say the Week

980
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 5: of Stomach maybe not apply, but that's another good existential

981
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 5: like what's out there, like almost event horizon esque, kind

982
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 5: of like space as a.

983
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 3: Portal to hell evil gnosticism, right, that's right. Yeah. And

984
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 3: then oh man, there's so many good horror space graphic

985
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,280
Speaker 3: novels and explorations. Nameless as a stem to stern banger,

986
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 3: super optimistic and inspiring. Read it and you'll see what

987
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 3: we mean. Yeah, the tinge of sarcasm, outer darkness, also

988
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 3: stem disturned banger. That's going to be a reread for me, gents.

989
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 3: And and you know, we might speak of rereading. We

990
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 3: might need to give the science a little more time

991
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 3: and perhaps one day ask Professor l himself to drop

992
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:42,160
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993
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 2: What do you guys think, Abby, Come on down, come

994
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 2: on out.

995
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 3: He does. He does, again, seem like a person acting

996
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 3: in good faith with sincerity, and he, just like the

997
00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 3: rest of us, he wants to believe, like he wants

998
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 3: the truth to be out there.

999
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:04,880
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1000
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:06,840
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1001
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:10,000
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1002
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:11,960
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1003
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:15,439
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1004
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:19,960
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1005
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1006
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1007
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