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Speaker 1: Welcome to Naked Sports, the podcast where we live at

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Speaker 1: the intersection of sports, politics, and culture. Our purpose reveal

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Speaker 1: the common threads that bind them all.

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Speaker 2: So what's happening in women's basketball right now is what

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Speaker 2: we've been trying to get.

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Speaker 3: To for almost thirty years.

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Speaker 1: From the stadiums where athletes break barriers and set records.

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Speaker 1: Caitlinquar broke the all time single game assists record.

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Speaker 3: This is crazy for rookies to be doing.

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Speaker 1: Our discussions will uncover the vital connections between these realms

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Speaker 1: and the community we create. In each episode, we'll sit

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Speaker 1: down with athletes, political analysts, and culture critics because at

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Speaker 1: the core of it all, how we see one issue

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Speaker 1: shines the light on all others. Welcome to Naked Sports.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Carrie Champion. Hey, family, Welcome to another

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Speaker 1: edition of Naked Sports Today. I am doing a replay intentionally,

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Speaker 1: I am doing a replay of an interview that I

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Speaker 1: did with Malcolm Jamal Warner in January of twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 1: Let me set the scene, because we were still at

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Speaker 1: the very tail end of COVID. People were just now

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Speaker 1: starting to get back to work. Some people still were

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Speaker 1: working from home, and things were just different. There were

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Speaker 1: still a lot of uncertainty, but we were starting to

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Speaker 1: And let me tell you, I think I might want

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Speaker 1: to go back in the house. That's just me. But

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Speaker 1: when I interviewed him, he had a new show and

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Speaker 1: he was promoting that new show. But I had to

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Speaker 1: talk to him about a lot of things, his legacy,

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Speaker 1: his life, his career, his family, and now that he

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Speaker 1: is no longer with us, the stories that he shared

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Speaker 1: with me seemed so much more powerful, especially the stories

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Speaker 1: about his daughter, who was then at the time, I

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Speaker 1: believe five years old. And for those who have been

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Speaker 1: keeping up with the news, Malcolm Jamal Warner when he

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Speaker 1: was on vacation with his family in Costa Rica, we

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Speaker 1: didn't really know anything about what happened because the family

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Speaker 1: do know now that he was swimming with his eight

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Speaker 1: year old daughter who was rescued, and sadly, when they

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Speaker 1: tried to rescue Malcolm, he had already passed away. They

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Speaker 1: tried to resuscitate him, from my understanding, for forty five minutes.

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Speaker 1: and they tried their best to no end. Now I

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Speaker 1: don't know the particulars in terms of what his daughter saw,

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Speaker 1: the trauma that that will lay out in her life

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Speaker 1: because of that, and if in fact she'll ever be

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Speaker 1: able to get over it. My prayer is that this

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Speaker 1: entire family, his friends, his fans for that matter, are

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Speaker 1: able to have some sort of resolve. I'm sending healing energy.

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Speaker 1: And the reason why I'm having a hard time with

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Speaker 1: in this podcast back in twenty twenty two, Malcolm Jamal

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Speaker 1: Warner was everyone's boyfriend. I had a crush on him.

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Speaker 1: I was a kid. I was like, well, if I

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Speaker 1: He was the perfect kid on The Cosby Show, and

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Speaker 1: for that matter, the Cosby Show meant so much to me.

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Speaker 1: I say this to anyone, especially the younger generation, go

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Speaker 1: back and watch the Cosby Show. It's okay to watch

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Speaker 1: The Cosby Show. Even though people tried to cancel Bill Cosby,

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Speaker 1: he still put something on television. He still gave us

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Speaker 1: something creatively that allowed us to realize and dream. He

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Speaker 1: highlighted HBCUs, He made sure we knew about them. He

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Speaker 1: He was a real advocate for the black family, and

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Speaker 1: that's what The Cosby Show represented. Outside of who he

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Speaker 1: I know that many of you have canceled him because

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Speaker 1: So I say all that to say during this episode

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Speaker 1: So sit back, relax and enjoyed this replay of Naked

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Speaker 1: Sports with Malcolm Jamal Warner. But truly listen to this

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Speaker 1: Our guests today, Our guests today. Malcolm Jamal Warner. Now,

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Speaker 1: if you were like me, and I did mention this

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Speaker 1: And here's the even better news about Malcolm Jamal Warner.

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Speaker 3: My dad went to Lincoln with Gil, Scott Herron and

431
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 3: Brian Jackson, so I literally came out the womb listening

432
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 3: to Gil and listening to last poets. My father went

433
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 3: to Lincoln because Langston went to Lincoln. So just from

434
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 3: my early childhood, poetry was always a part of my expression.

435
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 3: And when spoken words started to become, you know, start

436
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 3: to take shape again in the early nineties, I was

437
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 3: very active in the underground spoken word movement in Los Angeles,

438
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 3: and you know, you know, I know there are there

439
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 3: are a lot of you know, celebrities who could kind

440
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 3: of do poetry and are into poetry, but I you know,

441
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 3: I always make the disclaimer that I am a poet.

442
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 3: I'm not a celebrity who does poetry. You know, I

443
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 3: spent uh, you know, in early nineties, you know, and

444
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 3: it was before before spoken worre became cool, Like it

445
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 3: was just you know, just just before that. I say,

446
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 3: we helped make it cool. But you know, I mean

447
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 3: I spent countless nights in poetry spots, always writing, you know,

448
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 3: always workshopping my poetry. Whenever I, you know, would be

449
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 3: in a different town, I find the I find the

450
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 3: poetry venues and make sure I go there to work out.

451
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 3: You know, poetry has just always been so it wasn't

452
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 3: like you know, this fat that caught on and you

453
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 3: know I started doing it. It was you know, it's

454
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 3: always been a huge part, I keep saying, a huge

455
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 3: part of my expression because it allows me to express

456
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 3: myself in ways that I can't as an actor or

457
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 3: as a director. I don't think not even I mean,

458
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 3: I know every celebrity who does poetry, you know, has

459
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 3: not gone through, uh, you know, through that kind of

460
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 3: grind that poets go through. You know. It's not just

461
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 3: uh you know, it's not just booking a feature and

462
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 3: not that, not that there are a lot of celebrities

463
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 3: who can actually do a feature set. But I just

464
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 3: don't I don't know of a lot of celebrity why

465
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:52,199
Speaker 3: I'm why, I'm a wh I'm a blanking right now,

466
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 3: am Amar Hardwick. So Amar, I I knew A Mari

467
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,880
Speaker 3: as a poet before I knew he was an actor. Yeah,

468
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 3: because I'd see him in La and we'd be at

469
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 3: we'd be at these venues, and I always knew Amari

470
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 3: as like this really dope poet, like this dude is fire.

471
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:14,360
Speaker 3: And then I happened to back when there were still DVD's.

472
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 3: I remember seeing some straight to DVD movie with Cuba

473
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 3: Bidding Junior, and I saw picture of Omar. I was like, oh,

474
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 3: Mari's in this so I you know, I rented it

475
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 3: put in and I was like, oh, Omari is an actor.

476
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, He's not just a dope poet,

477
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 3: He's an actor. So so not that there aren't other

478
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 3: you know, celebrities who have you know, put in the

479
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 3: work whatever, but Omari is the only other person I

480
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 3: know who has who who who goes in?

481
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 2: Uh.

482
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 3: I know for a while what what Harris also he

483
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 3: would be you know, uh he was known for you know,

484
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 3: going out and workshopping his stuff as well.

485
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: It's interesting because you know, we are quote unquote still

486
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: in a pandemic, right, We still are in the panorama,

487
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: as the folks call it, but we are as normal

488
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: as we can be. This is a part of our lives.

489
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: And Malcolm has been flourishing prior to you and still

490
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: in terms of working, he's on a show called The Resident.

491
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: He plays a doctor who is not necessarily well liked

492
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: because he is really arrogant and he knows what he's

493
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: doing and he's the best in his profession. And he

494
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: is this guy who really, you know, kind of get

495
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: some people's nerves, if you will, right rubs them the

496
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: wrong way. But I find it interesting, especially when I

497
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: speak to actors who love these types of roles, not

498
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: necessarily a villain, but a departure from whom they are

499
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: in real life. And he talks about why he loves

500
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: being on this show. And the reason why I think

501
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: it's important that we highlight Malcolm working is because then

502
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: I've said this from the beginning. Child stars do not

503
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: have careers that last long, especially in into the camera.

504
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: I can count on my hand how many people that

505
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: I am familiar with right that are doing this successfully

506
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: and at a high level. And Malcolm is one of

507
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: a few, and I'm sure there are others. But when

508
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: I tell you, it is hard to do in a

509
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: town that is so fickle, and they don't like you

510
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: when you get north of a certain age, or they

511
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: don't like you if you're not the it person. He

512
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: really talks about who you are as an actor, your

513
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: skill set, and why people like working with you. So

514
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: hats off, kudos because you are thriving. Take a list

515
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: in your alln So I guess, I guess.

516
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 3: For some viewers who have not seen the show. The

517
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 3: Resident is a medical drama. I play doctor aj Austen,

518
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 3: one of the top thoracic surgeons in the country. And

519
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 3: what I love about playing this character is he's a dick.

520
00:30:53,440 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 3: He's brash. He is very arrogant because he's one of

521
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 3: the best at what he does. But he's not arrogant

522
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 3: out of overcompensating. He's just he's arrogant because he knows

523
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 3: that he is the best at what he does. When

524
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 3: he speaks, he does not care for He's always gonna

525
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 3: speak the truth, so he does not care how the

526
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 3: truth lands on one. It's the truth and you deal

527
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 3: with it. He's a guy who just does not care

528
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 3: what people think of him, which has been wonderful for

529
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 3: me to play because I often say that playing AJ

530
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 3: allows me to be who I don't allow myself to

531
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 3: be in real life. And it's been great. It's been great.

532
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 3: It's been it's been a really good journey. And when

533
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 3: I started the show I was only supposed to do.

534
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 3: I was only on for the last three episodes of

535
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 3: season one and it's season five and I'm still there.

536
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: Congratulations to Malcolm Jamal Warner Forever theo huxible to me,

537
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: I am sorry. I know you hate that because I

538
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: don't want somebody saying, here you forever the sports girl.

539
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: I have other interest of the things to do. But

540
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: what I love about the Cosby Show, and I'm going

541
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: to go back to that because i really want to

542
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: be clear, even though I'm not necessarily clear. If I'm

543
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: being honest, I know that that show was woefully important

544
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: to me growing up. It was what late eighties, early nineties,

545
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: and to see the images of powerful black excellence week

546
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: in and week out, I believe put me on a

547
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: different trajectory and help me dream even bigger. And you

548
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: know I love a dream. Felicia Rashad Bill Cosby, Lisa Bonet,

549
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: Malcolm Jamal Warner. They were part of my home. They

550
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: defined how I looked at black success, a different world

551
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: based on HBCU's Cosby's invention. We really have been living

552
00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: our lives through them for so long, and here we

553
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: are today where there is a generation of folks who

554
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: only know Bill Cosby as a man who spent time

555
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: in jail and has been accused of raping and sexually

556
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: assaulting women and women and women over the years. It's unfortunate.

557
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: Two things are unfortunate, because I do believe most of

558
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: the women it's unfortunate that that happened to them, and

559
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: I am sorry. What I also have a problem with, though,

560
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: is throwing Bill Cosby away entirely, canceling him entirely because

561
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: bad people can do good things, or vice versa. Good

562
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: people can do bad things. And you see, I'm struggling

563
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: with this, as as was Malcolm when he talked about it.

564
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: And now his relationship with Bill is far different from

565
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: what I know from watching someone on television. He will

566
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: say that man changed my life. He will say that

567
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: man gave me some of the best advice of my life.

568
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: He is a mentor someone that I hold in high regard.

569
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: I am aware of what is happening in the world,

570
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: and I am sad about what happened to those women,

571
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: But I do know that what this man did for

572
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: a period of time changed the trajectory for so many

573
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: of us in the culture. I can't emphasize enough. With

574
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 1: that show Met there was one episode and I talked

575
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: about it, with the one episode about the Gordon Gartrail.

576
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 1: Gordon Guard Trail, y'all remember that if you old enough,

577
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: you got to know about Gordon Gartrail. Here's the funny part.

578
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,320
Speaker 1: The Gordon Guard Trail story is truly about how his

579
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 1: sister Denise wanted to make him a designer shirt for

580
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: a homecoming dance and he couldn't afford the Gordon Guard

581
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: Trail original but she was like, I'm gonna make it.

582
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: And it was the most awful, funny, exciting thing I

583
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: had ever seen. And I remember the episode like it

584
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: was yesterday. I will look when I worked at ESPN

585
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,240
Speaker 1: with His and hers, we redid that episode a different world,

586
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 1: not necessarily that episode, but we redid a different world

587
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: based on our familiarity, the love that we had for

588
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: what those shows represented. Michael Smith dressed up for Halloween

589
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: one year with the Gordon Gartrail. It was amazing, And

590
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,959
Speaker 1: again you have to realize it was just a moment.

591
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 1: It was a movement. And so I find myself with

592
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: these mixed emotions, but really standing more firm on the

593
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: side of protecting those who can protect themselves. But I

594
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: still never forget what that show meant to me and

595
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: why I still have such an affinity for those on

596
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: that show. And I'm saying it's okay to separate the two.

597
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: You're not saying one good thing doesn't mean bad things

598
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: didn't happen. I'm not saying because Bill Cosby put out

599
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 1: this amazing show and made sure that we knew about

600
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: HBCUs and black culture and black excellence, that he did

601
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: not harm these women. The two can't exist. Sadly, they

602
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 1: can coexist. But with that being said, I'd like to

603
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 1: talk about what I was able to birth from the

604
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 1: Cosby Show, and that was a level of excellence. And

605
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: I saw it week in and week out with our

606
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 1: guest today, malacoun Jamal Warner, and I said to him,

607
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: the poet that he is, who happens to act, would

608
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: he do be a favor? Would he allow us to

609
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 1: be blessed with one of his poems, and he knew

610
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: what we would be talking about. He knew what the

611
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: show is about, and he knew that people would have

612
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 1: mixed emotions about what he has to say about Bill Cosby.

613
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 1: But he had a beautiful reading which I'll leave you

614
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 1: all with, and it was specifically about the culture, and

615
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: it was beautiful because it is a.

616
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 3: Hello, how are you?

617
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 1: You can do it? You will do well, inspiring poem

618
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: and inspiring reading, and I appreciate it. I'll leave you

619
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: all with that. And sometimes you know, on Naked I'm

620
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: not able to succinctly how I feel because I do

621
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: have mixed emotions, and I don't ever want to be

622
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 1: on record condemning someone for the rest of their lives

623
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 1: without adding the nuance that needs to be there.

624
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 3: I hope I was able to do that for you

625
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 3: all today.

626
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: Enjoy the reading.

627
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 3: It's been far too much time to keep crying about

628
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 3: how hard it is to be black in America. Yet

629
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 3: here we are tear streaked and salt stained faces, Traces

630
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 3: of trauma and pain lace our DNA like our black

631
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 3: pride is cut and laced with self hate, and we

632
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 3: still think it's dope, just like the music for program

633
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 3: to Celebrate. Can you tell me the fate of a

634
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 3: people who consciously take de bait and embrace the very

635
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 3: traits placed upon them by their captors, who by design,

636
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 3: are inclined to keep them believe in their second rate.

637
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 3: I'll wait. We used to fight for freedom, but now

638
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 3: it's like we fight for the right to be dumb

639
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 3: for free word to ice life. Hear me. We are

640
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 3: being hustled. We are being played our culture on display

641
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 3: like the slave trade, for the world to devour like

642
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 3: a delicious delicacy, while we are left to feed on

643
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 3: hopelessness and grief and the belief that beef with people

644
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 3: who look just like us should render them obsolete. Hey, great,

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Speaker 3: kool aid tastes great until you realize this sweetened with

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Speaker 3: self destruction and low self esteem. The system has been

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Speaker 3: into prisons of hopelessness and fear. Look around, family, Look around, family,

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Speaker 3: Look around family. We got to get out of here.

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Speaker 1: So again, I hope that this beautiful brother rest in

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Speaker 1: heaven and heavenly peace. Thank you, Malcolm Jamal Warner for

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Speaker 1: what you gave us. Sending love to his family so

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Speaker 1: terrific what happened to him, But all we can do

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Speaker 1: now is honor him and lift his family up. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for listening to this edition of Naked Sports. Naked

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Speaker 1: Sports written and executive produced by me Carrie Champion, produced

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Speaker 1: by Jacques Thomas, sound design and mastered by Dwayne Crawford.

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Speaker 1: Naked Sports is a part of the Black Effect podcast

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