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Speaker 1: All right, So we are back on the way concept

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Speaker 1: presented by The Ring magazine. I am in North Carolina

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Speaker 1: taking a little bit of a trip before I get

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Speaker 1: into a ton of boxing commentary later this month. But

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Speaker 1: today I wanted to talk to you guys about to

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Speaker 1: fight coming up on Saturday. The best prospect that the

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Speaker 1: UK heavyweight scene has seen in a very long time.

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Speaker 1: Moses Atalma is taking his biggest step up in competition.

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Speaker 1: He's taken on Dillion White in a fight that I

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Speaker 1: think is getting looked at the wrong way, but can

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Speaker 1: also be a launching point for the Moses Atalma era

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Speaker 1: if and only if he overcomes his biggest challenge. What

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Speaker 1: do I mean the breakdown? Let's go.

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Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 1: So, like I said, Moses Atalma this Saturday in Riad,

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Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia taken on Dillion White. Dillion White, who is

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Speaker 1: I think what you would consider now honestly a bit

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Speaker 1: of a gatekeeper at heavyweight, not because he is in

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Speaker 1: top of the world talent, because he is, but he's

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Speaker 1: thirty seven years old. He does have a couple losses

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Speaker 1: heavyweight and has fought pretty much everyone at heavyweight outside

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Speaker 1: of Usik. So I tried true test and more than that,

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Speaker 1: more than a test for Moses the Talma, a real

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Speaker 1: top five, top ten guy at heavyweight that can test

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Speaker 1: him and put him in position to be talked about

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Speaker 1: only people that have beaten Dillion White, Povetkin he avenged

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Speaker 1: that loss, Anthony Joshua, who's looked at as one of

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Speaker 1: the current generations better UK heavyweights, Tyson Fury probably this

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Speaker 1: generation's best UK heavyweight. Those the only three guys that

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Speaker 1: have beaten Million White. So Moses the Talma this Saturday

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Speaker 1: has a chance to put himself and we're gonna talk

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Speaker 1: about pushing him too far, too quickly, but he's twenty

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Speaker 1: years old and he has a chance to put himself

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Speaker 1: in the same conversation as an Anthony Joshua and Tyson

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Speaker 1: Fury strictly off of this fight, not an entire body

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Speaker 1: of work, not what they've done in their careers, not

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Speaker 1: the titles they hell. But I am specifically talking about

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Speaker 1: the level of boxer he can be and maybe already

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Speaker 1: is at twenty, and this fight is important for a

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Speaker 1: ton of reasons. Number One, everyone is looking at this

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Speaker 1: as Moses Atalma's coming out part, and it very well

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Speaker 1: could be that. But let's not forget again Dillian White.

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Speaker 1: Yes he's thirty seven, Yes he has lost to the

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Speaker 1: top level guys, but we still have question marks on

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Speaker 1: what Moses Atalma can bring. I think he's the greatest

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Speaker 1: talent I've seen at heavyweight in this generation, strictly at

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Speaker 1: heavyweight at his age, I haven't seen anything like it.

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Speaker 1: The speed, the quickness, precision, being able to punch forward

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Speaker 1: got it all, he really does. It's just a matter

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Speaker 1: Is he ready for this moment? Being compared by people

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Speaker 1: like me to the likes of Tyson fury Aj, and

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Speaker 1: they're pushing him like, you know, a Mike Tyson push

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Speaker 1: when he won the heavyweight title at twenty one. So

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Speaker 1: it's like you're seeing a lot of this big time

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Speaker 1: Whatever is Moses Atalamus strictly because of his skill set,

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Speaker 1: And the only problem is we're living in the unknown.

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Speaker 1: We truly don't know what will happen when he keeps

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Speaker 1: Spectacle, and I expect the same during this fight week.

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Speaker 1: It's been a bit quiet so far, and I think

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Speaker 1: the youngster. He's You look at Dillion White in camp

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Speaker 1: and he's in shape. I mean he is in shape shape,

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Speaker 1: kind of like what are you back on that stuff shape?

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Speaker 1: But he is. He's in great shape. He's taken it

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Speaker 1: power at Derrek Cizora knockout left hook. It left Derek

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Speaker 1: You know he's been around a lot of the UK

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Speaker 1: Fury when he came out of retirement. There's definitely something

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Speaker 1: and all this. But what happens when you get some

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Speaker 1: of the mountain. What satiates your hunger then, because right

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Speaker 1: now the hunger is the same for everybody. It's chasing

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Speaker 1: the gold, it's chasing glory, it's chasing legacy. Right and

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Speaker 1: Frank and the boys over at Queensberry, they have really

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Speaker 1: of the heavyweight division with only twelve wins. And again,

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Speaker 1: if he is to beat Dillian White, it's only going

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Speaker 1: But then again, we're in an era where prospects are

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Speaker 1: that may mean dire consequences, but the test, if you're

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Speaker 1: just I wonder I even saw him talking about Simon Jordan.

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Speaker 1: does his head in talking about Moses Atalma. Again, he's

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Speaker 1: spirals down And I may be reading too much into that.

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Speaker 1: He's only twenty years old. Let's not you know, let's

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Speaker 1: for Ronaldo or Messi, but when you're talking about those

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Speaker 1: this is just cable, right, so we'll see what happens

428
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Speaker 1: with that. But this specifically Paramount the UFC. Apparently the

429
00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:46,960
Speaker 1: way this thing went was they were only going to

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Speaker 1: pick up a certain amount of events for the UFC.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that was Stana White Contender series.

432
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Speaker 1: I don't know if that was the Ultimate Fighter. They

433
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Speaker 1: were only going to sparse out a couple of things

434
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Speaker 1: for the UFC, which I thought was going to be

435
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Speaker 1: the play here. I thought the UFC was going to go, Okay, Netflix,

436
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Speaker 1: take our pay per view events instead of being pay

437
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Speaker 1: per view. Now they're on Netflix, Dana, why contend a

438
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Speaker 1: series over here? ESPN gets the fighting, you know what

439
00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:09,560
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I thought there was gonna be like four

440
00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,760
Speaker 1: or five different places, like you see with the WWE

441
00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:14,960
Speaker 1: writing right, you have smacked down on a different place

442
00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:18,040
Speaker 1: than an XT, in a different place than Monday Night Raw,

443
00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:22,040
Speaker 1: in a different place than the WWE premium live events.

444
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Speaker 1: They're all over, They're not in one spot. The UFC said,

445
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Speaker 1: we don't want to make you fans pay for this subscription,

446
00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:30,359
Speaker 1: for that subscription, for this subscription. And I have to

447
00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:32,440
Speaker 1: applaud it because that's one of the big gripes of

448
00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:34,280
Speaker 1: all MMA fans. We gotta pay for this and that

449
00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,119
Speaker 1: and this. They just said, you're going to get it

450
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Speaker 1: in one place, at least here in the United States.

451
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Speaker 1: I assume you know, my UK people, you guys are

452
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Speaker 1: still gonna have TNT Sports or however you watch the

453
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Speaker 1: UFC now. But for fans here in the US, this

454
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Speaker 1: is a massive, massive move. And I keep saying for fans,

455
00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:51,200
Speaker 1: for fans, it's you know, and it was an entertainment product.

456
00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:53,920
Speaker 1: It is a massive move and for us to be

457
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Speaker 1: able to enjoy the sport of MMA like we enjoy

458
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Speaker 1: here in America the NFL, which is predominantly on CBS

459
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Speaker 1: or Fox, the NBA, which is predominantly on ESPN, ABC,

460
00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,840
Speaker 1: or your local NBA game time Baseball which is on

461
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Speaker 1: Fox or ESPN, or just you don't see a lot

462
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Speaker 1: of MMA, and for that matter, boxing on big time

463
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,159
Speaker 1: national broadcast television anymore, not here in the US. So

464
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Speaker 1: this feels like it's a step up in legitimacy honestly

465
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Speaker 1: for the sport of MMA, because you feel like you're

466
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Speaker 1: you're kind of playing where the big boys are now, right,

467
00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,600
Speaker 1: look at the adjective play sorry Kevin Nash reference. This

468
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,960
Speaker 1: feels like a major sports move. And again you got

469
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Speaker 1: to give credit to the people over at tkoh. Sure

470
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Speaker 1: they're gonna line their pockets with this seven point seven

471
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Speaker 1: billion dollars is an insane amount of money for a

472
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Speaker 1: TV rights deal. Just just to give you guys reference,

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Speaker 1: I got a couple of stats for you. Does everybody

474
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Speaker 1: remember when the UFC sold in twenty sixteen to what

475
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Speaker 1: now would become TKO. They sold their entire company for

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Speaker 1: four billion dollars, not the rights, not the archives, the

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Speaker 1: entire fucking company, And almost a decade later, just their

478
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Speaker 1: TV rights have sold, or just over a seven year period,

479
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Speaker 1: seven point seven billion dollars just for one year of

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Speaker 1: being on paramount. Plus, the UFC is raking in a

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Speaker 1: fourth of what they sold the entire company for just

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Speaker 1: nine years ago. Also, I talked about other sports comparisons.

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Speaker 1: The NBA, that's right, the National Basketball Association, one of

484
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Speaker 1: the most profitable leagues in the US. Their media rights

485
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 1: deal is twenty four billion dollars over nine years. It

486
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Speaker 1: comes out to about two point six billion dollars per year.

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Speaker 1: The UFC is at forty percent of that while not

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Speaker 1: doing what I mean you're talking about. The NBA runs

489
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Speaker 1: over a thousand games a year. The UFC, as it

490
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Speaker 1: was announced today, they're gonna do forty three events per year.

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Speaker 1: Forty three events for one point one billion dollars per year.

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Speaker 1: That right, there is a steal some It just feels

493
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Speaker 1: like MMA has become like it's taken that next step, right,

494
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Speaker 1: And they got to Fox it felt that way. When

495
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Speaker 1: they got to ESPN, it felt that way. And now

496
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Speaker 1: they're on CBS paramount punt plus but CBS, and you

497
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Speaker 1: hear data. I'll run the clip talking to Pat McAfee

498
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Speaker 1: and others about the potential for this big White House

499
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Speaker 1: lawn card they're talking about doing next year, potentially being

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Speaker 1: on CBS. Think of the millions and millions of people

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Speaker 1: that are gonna watch that event. Take a listen July fourth,

502
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Speaker 1: two hundred and fiftieth Birthday of the United States of America,

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Speaker 1: live on CBS from the White House. And now I

504
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 1: know we still have some cynical UFC fans that are saying, well,

505
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Speaker 1: we'll get the four big events, the four big ones

506
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Speaker 1: that Dana is talking about, and everything else will be

507
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Speaker 1: crap because they don't have incentivization to do big time

508
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Speaker 1: cards anymore because pay per view's gone. And to that,

509
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Speaker 1: I say, you guys just hate everything, because not only

510
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Speaker 1: does this give you more incentivization to build a star,

511
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Speaker 1: because you're not having to try to create one behind

512
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Speaker 1: an eighty dollars pay per view wall before they even

513
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Speaker 1: become a star. Like, think about the way the UFC

514
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 1: is trying to build stars. Now, there's a reason you're

515
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Speaker 1: not seeing the Brocklesseners and the Ronda Rouses and the

516
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Speaker 1: Connor mcgregors and even the Chuck Ledel's and gsps. You're

517
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Speaker 1: not seeing them because one, you're an era of pay

518
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,119
Speaker 1: per view where you're trying to build the star on

519
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 1: undercards of people that aren't stars. So you're building under

520
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,640
Speaker 1: a card that not as many people are seeing as

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Speaker 1: it is. And granted there's a lot more that goes

522
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Speaker 1: into it, fighter personality, promotion, et cetera. But now, in

523
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Speaker 1: front of a national televised audience, whoever is on these

524
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Speaker 1: undercards is going to get seen by so many more eyes,

525
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 1: so many more opportunities to build stars. And honestly, that

526
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Speaker 1: right there is a talking point that I turn around

527
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 1: and I look at the boxing game right now and

528
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 1: saying are you watching this? Because this is why the

529
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 1: UFC keeps growing and why boxing, especially without Big HG.

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00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 1: Turkey Ala Chic, is kind of spinning around in a

531
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Speaker 1: circle because what the UFC is doing is what boxing

532
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 1: has failed to do for two decades now, which is

533
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Speaker 1: get their shit together and find a way on one

534
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 1: specific platform, or to find a way on one specific

535
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Speaker 1: platform without pay per view, without every single promoter being

536
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Speaker 1: at every walks and ends of the earth, so you

537
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Speaker 1: have to find this subscription or go over here. Here's Boxer,

538
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 1: and here's de Zonne, and here's this and here's that.

539
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 1: That plus the different sanctioning bodies in boxing is a

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00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 1: real problem for why we're not seeing that breakout major star.

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Speaker 1: I mean again, also comes down to personality and everything else.

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Speaker 1: But my point being, there's a reason that TKO got

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Speaker 1: into boxing, and yes, the ILI Act will be something

544
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 1: that we have to talk about as it continues to

545
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Speaker 1: develop and how that's gonna work with fighters rights and

546
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 1: everything else. But they got into boxing because boxing shot

547
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 1: itself in the foot over and over and over. And

548
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 1: Turkey Alis Shake got into boxing for the same reason,

549
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 1: because there wasn't this natural excitement about the sport. It

550
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 1: wasn't growing. The sport was maintaining, not growing. And I'm

551
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Speaker 1: telling you, if you're looking across the island seeing what

552
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 1: the UFC is doing, I think they're gonna do the

553
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,159
Speaker 1: same thing in boxing and it's gonna take over the

554
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: sport again. TKO build relationships with these companies, build relationship

555
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 1: with these partners, these TV rights holders. We're gonna see

556
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Speaker 1: the same type of thing go on in boxing, and

557
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 1: I don't think these other promoters are ready for it.

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00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 1: I really don't, and it I only think they have

559
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 1: themselves to blame because you had years and years to

560
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 1: figure this out and you didn't do it. And now

561
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 1: the UFC is kind of showing people how it's done.

562
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 1: Turkey has gotten in business with Dana White for this

563
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 1: specific reason, with TKO for this specific reason. You're gonna

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Speaker 1: see it on Netflix in about four weeks. They're gonna

565
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 1: run a huge event with Canelo Alvarez and Terrence Crawford.

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Speaker 1: I got more videos coming out on that as we

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Speaker 1: get closer. But not to get away from the point,

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00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: I guess, I just wanted to show you guys, the

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Speaker 1: UFC is miles ahead of boxing in this way, miles ahead,

570
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Speaker 1: and it's going to keep their sport growing where boxing's

571
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Speaker 1: tried to maintain and just we have our two or

572
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 1: three or four big stars and outside of that pay

573
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 1: per view has been dead on that side for years

574
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: as well. This just no one wants to admit it

575
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 1: except Turkey. I mean, honestly, Turkey is the one trying

576
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 1: to pull back the curtain on pay per view and say, hey, listen,

577
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: no more pay per views when we do ring events.

578
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: Here we go. But this is just a monumental announcement

579
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 1: and one that I think is gonna change everything when

580
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 1: it comes to combat sports. And also this comes off

581
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: the heels of another big announcement in the UFC that

582
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 1: does have to do with this. You know, you have

583
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Speaker 1: these pay per view gone, you have the UFC Nomber

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00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,439
Speaker 1: events going to be you know, easily accessible, and then

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00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 1: you have the big four events that Dana wants to

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00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: do potentially on CBS again national syndicated television. And you know,

587
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 1: people are kind of throwing the jokes about, oh, the

588
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 1: UFC is gonna do four big events and the rest

589
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: are gonna be in the Apex. Well normally I'd be like, yeah,

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00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,360
Speaker 1: that's bullshit, But also that's not happening. Number one, We're

591
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: not gonna have forty straight events in the Apex. But

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Speaker 1: the ones that are in the Apex, the Apex events

593
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: are getting expanded. It's like every complaint an MMA fan

594
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 1: would have is getting just slashed. As I keep breaking

595
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: down this announcement, it went from, you know, no fans

596
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: at the Apex, and people don't like that, and for

597
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: good reason. It's not a great watching experience for the

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00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 1: average fan to hear someone get flatline kode and just

599
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 1: crickets after there's no energy. The fighters don't feel it either, right,

600
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 1: It's just not a great place to hold fights because

601
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: it feels like sparring almost. It doesn't even feel like

602
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 1: an actual big time event. You're gonna see five thousand

603
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 1: to ten thousand people in these arenas wherever, if it's

604
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 1: gonna be a build onto the APEX, or if they're

605
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 1: gonna put more seats in or however they're gonna do it,

606
00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,919
Speaker 1: they're actually gonna have fans and these things are going

607
00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: to be centralized in Vegas, I assume. Still. But that's

608
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: a massive win as well, So even when you don't

609
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 1: have the big, massive stadiums, you still get that big

610
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 1: fight feel from a five to ten thousand fan base perspective. Now,

611
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 1: the only real underlying thing that hasn't been addressed just yet,

612
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 1: and I think some fighters I saw Tom Aspinall was

613
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: on Aerial Show today asking about it. The question now

614
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: is you move away from the pay per view model.

615
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 1: And you keep hearing me talk about a big W

616
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: for the UFC, big W for the fans, big W

617
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: for the sport. Everybody seems to be legitimized. More things

618
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 1: are growing, going in a great direction. Fans questions, concerns

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00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: all that are being answered in real time. But what

620
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: about the big elephant in the room, which is fighter pay?

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Speaker 1: If pay per view points are taken away from champions,

622
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Speaker 1: which is kind of their big incentive once they get

623
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: the belt to sell pay per views, Guys like Tom

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Speaker 1: Aspinall and Maga mat Ankalaia, DraCos Duplessi, who's fighting on

625
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: pay per view this weekend, Jack Dela, Madelena, Ilio Taporia

626
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: who's probably the biggest star in the UFC right now,

627
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: and so on and so forth. What happens to that

628
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 1: extra bonus they get for pay per view points if

629
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: pay per view is no longer, there's what's the big

630
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: difference now and pay for a champion? And how is

631
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: that going to be addressed? I mean, for one, yeah,

632
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: the fighter split has never been great in the UFC.

633
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: I think it's somewhere around you know, eighteen percent of

634
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: the revenue share goes to fighters, even when that number

635
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: source to seven point seven billion over seven years, and

636
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 1: even when the UFC is probably going to be raking

637
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: it in handle or fist at the gate, still meaning

638
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: their ticket sales are still going to be massive. Now

639
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: they're introducing new ticket sales I assume to be a

640
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Speaker 1: part of the APEX events and being that crowd all

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Speaker 1: that stuff. You still want to know. Okay, that's great.

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Speaker 1: Revenue is going up, but is the share percentage going

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Speaker 1: up for fighters? I've heard anything like that, And even

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Speaker 1: Tom aspinall he really had no idea, right because it's

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Speaker 1: all coming out in real time. So instead of pay

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Speaker 1: per viewpoints, are we going to get streaming points or

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Speaker 1: you know, is it going to be one of those

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Speaker 1: things like a music industry change where music went from

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Speaker 1: record sales to streaming numbers. Is that how it's going

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Speaker 1: to be now with you know, bonuses for champions or

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Speaker 1: you know, whatever it is that is going to replace

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Speaker 1: pay per viewpoints. I don't know, I really don't, and

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Speaker 1: I know that's a big concern for people, and it

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Speaker 1: should be right because selfishly as fans, of course, we

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Speaker 1: want the best, most affordable option for us, the people

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Speaker 1: paying to watch these fighters fight. But just like f

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Speaker 1: I said, the sport was going to grow to be

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Speaker 1: recognized in the same space as the NFL and the

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Speaker 1: NBA and MLB, NHL. If the UFC is going to

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Speaker 1: treat their fans that way, they should treat their fighters

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Speaker 1: that way as well. Not to say that every fighter

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Speaker 1: should walk in there and be on a ten million

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Speaker 1: dollar con I don't know I'm exaggerating, but you get

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Speaker 1: what I mean. There does need to be some sort

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Speaker 1: of compensation relief for the pay per viewpoints going away.

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Speaker 1: And I don't really know how much the pay per

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Speaker 1: viewpoints in today's era were as massive as they were

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Speaker 1: in like twenty sixteen with Connor doing crazy numbers, Like

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Speaker 1: if you were on a Connor McGregor card, your your

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Speaker 1: numbers were going up instantly, and Connor was making money

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Speaker 1: handover fist, you know, or even you know a guy

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Speaker 1: like GSP or Rock Lesner who they all made pretty

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Speaker 1: decent pay per viewpoints. I don't know if we've seen

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Speaker 1: pay per views to that level in years, so I

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Speaker 1: don't know how much of a difference it would really

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Speaker 1: even make. But regardless, there does need to be something

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Speaker 1: in place and that needs to be a topic of

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Speaker 1: conversation when we're talking about it, because it is a

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Speaker 1: really good thing, like seeing this happen is a massive

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Speaker 1: win for MMA fans, for MMA media, for the sport itself.

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Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, the fighters fight

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Speaker 1: and this also needs to be a win for them.

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Speaker 1: This also needs to be Yes, you're gonna get more exposure, Yes,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna get more eyeballs on the product, but they

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Speaker 1: need to have more money in their pockets based on

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Speaker 1: this because ultimately, yes, Stana Tko, Mark Shapiro, Hunter, all

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Speaker 1: those guys, the big wigs, they're the ones that are

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Speaker 1: going out and getting these deals done and negotiating and

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Speaker 1: all of that. So sure, reward them handsomely, But these fighters,

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Speaker 1: unless they're stepping in the cage and providing highlight after highlight,

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Speaker 1: Guys like Iliot Supporia, guys like Alex Perreira, guys like

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Speaker 1: Tom aspinall guys that are changing the sport, changing the

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Speaker 1: level of the sport. And you hear about Conor McGregor

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Speaker 1: potentially coming back, I know, I say it in pretty

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Speaker 1: much every MMA video, but he's two days in a

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Speaker 1: row training, so I'm getting a little hype there, but

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Speaker 1: without that, none of it happens. So yes, selfishly, as

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Speaker 1: a fan, this is great. I want it to be

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Speaker 1: great for the fighters as well. But yeah, it starts

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Speaker 1: in January twenty twenty six, so you have about five

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Speaker 1: months a little less give or take to get through

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Speaker 1: the ESPN era.

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Speaker 3: But this is it.

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Speaker 1: ESPN is gone. No more ESPN plus sitting on a

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Speaker 1: blank screen waiting for the commercial break to end, and

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Speaker 1: you know, hopefully no more buffering issues and all the

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Speaker 1: issues that came with them working with ESPN. I think

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Speaker 1: everybody is on the same page with thinking. It was

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Speaker 1: not the greatest viewing experience for fans at times, even

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Speaker 1: just trying to buy the pay per view on the platform,

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Speaker 1: it was rough. But you could say goodbye to that,

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Speaker 1: and you could say goodbye to pay per view because

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Speaker 1: MMA just got a massive, massive upgrade for the fans,

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Speaker 1: for the company, for the sport, and for the fighters.

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Speaker 1: But again, we're gonna see how that plays out payment

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Speaker 1: wise and everything else. But the exposure the sport's growing.

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Speaker 1: Boxing better take a look, I'm telling you now if

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Speaker 1: you're not looking at this and you're in the boxing scene,

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Speaker 1: this is what's coming. Promoter, everybody else that's sitting here

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Speaker 1: and doing deals with different people, this is what Turkela,

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Speaker 1: Shake and TKO are going to do. Making no mistake

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Speaker 1: about it, that's not a prediction, it's a spoiler. There's

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Speaker 1: a reason he brought these guys on board. This is

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Speaker 1: that reason. And if TKO is able to get it done,

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Speaker 1: being the newest kid on the block in boxing, I

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Speaker 1: think that tells you all you need to know about

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Speaker 1: the cesspool and the chaos and the just flat footed, melodic,

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Speaker 1: quite frankly lazy era that boxing has been in. This

729
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Speaker 1: feels like what the PBC wanted when they went to

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Speaker 1: Amazon and didn't get, except the UFC got. And it's

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Speaker 1: also telling that Paramount just did away with Bellator and

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Speaker 1: did away with Showtime Boxing just recently over the last

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Speaker 1: couple of years, and then immediately once they signed their

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Speaker 1: new merger deal brought the UFC in. I think someone

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Speaker 1: I also said that the deal is worth more than

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Speaker 1: Paramount itself as a company is right now. Obviously with

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Speaker 1: the merger, you invest to make more money back and

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Speaker 1: it drives their value up, but still they just signed

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Speaker 1: the UFC's TV rights deal for seven point seven billion dollars.

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Speaker 1: The entire company of Paramount, I think is worth six

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Speaker 1: point six billion. That shows you how willing they were

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Speaker 1: to go in business with the UFC, and how trusting

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Speaker 1: they are that MMA is on the upside, is going

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Speaker 1: to grow, and that this is gonna be the way

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Speaker 1: forward in the future. I agree with them, but you guys,

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Speaker 1: let me go down below. This is massive breaking news.

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Speaker 1: What happens next for the UFC, what happens in their

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Speaker 1: first big event on CBS. Who's gonna be fighting there?

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Speaker 1: How's this partnership gonna go? Can they even top this?

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Speaker 1: And twenty sixteen, I never would have thought they would

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Speaker 1: sell for four billion, and then after that, I never

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Speaker 1: in my wildest dreams would have thought they'd sell TV

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Speaker 1: rights deals for seven point seven billion. But here we are.

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Speaker 1: Nothing's off the table except pay per View because it's

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Speaker 1: dead and the UFC buried it. And I'm gonna be

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Speaker 1: honest to my appreciation, and I think a lot of

757
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: fans out there as well, what happens next to this

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Speaker 1: whole thing? Don't have those answers, but keep your eye

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Speaker 1: on this again if you're a boxing fan, because I'm

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Speaker 1: telling you it's coming. But twenty twenty six is when

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Speaker 1: it starts. Like I said, seven point seven billion over

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Speaker 1: seven years. Those are the answers we have. There's a

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Speaker 1: lot more that we don't, but starting January next year,

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Speaker 1: I guess we'll find out. It's the way concept presented

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Speaker 1: by The Ring magazine, and today we are hold on,

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Speaker 1: let me make sure this mic is working good, and

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Speaker 1: we are taking a look at the face off between

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Speaker 1: Darren Hill and Luke rock Cold Misfits twenty two Ring

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Speaker 1: of Thrones is on August thirtieth, and it's headlined by

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Speaker 1: Darren and Luke rock Hold. The last time we saw

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Speaker 1: them face to face was at their press conference, and

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Speaker 1: that was pretty much just complete chaos. I think these

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Speaker 1: things are filmed on the same day as the press conference, though,

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Speaker 1: so we'll see if they still have that same energy.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure who this man in the middle is.

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00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: I probably should know, but he's hosting these two the

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Speaker 1: main event. They're gonna sit down and talk their shit.

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Speaker 1: And here's where things get a little more real. You're

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Speaker 1: not trying to play it up for an audience in

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Speaker 1: front of you. You are just there talking man to man,

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Speaker 1: face to face with the man you're about to try

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Speaker 1: to fight on a Misfits main event. And I want

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Speaker 1: to see how two of the highest level operators in

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Speaker 1: combat sports, Darren Till fought for a world title. Luke

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Speaker 1: rock Hold held two world titles and by the way,

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Speaker 1: I got to get up close and personal with Luke

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Speaker 1: rock Hold just a couple of days ago. That video's

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Speaker 1: coming soon, but I want to see how they talk.

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00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: That talk when they're in front of each other. I

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Speaker 1: want to see when the crowd's gone and they strip

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Speaker 1: away all the pomp and the filler and they're just

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Speaker 1: sitting there, man to man what they gotta say. So

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Speaker 3: Undefeated.

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Speaker 4: In Misfits, Darren Hill takes on former UFC middleweight champion

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Speaker 4: Luke Rocold, making his Misfits debut live August thirtieth from

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Speaker 4: the Manchester A Overreena exclusively on design than Hell, I'm

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Speaker 4: not taking steroids.

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Speaker 3: No I'm not.

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Speaker 2: You don't like for there.

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Speaker 3: I have worked every day.

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Speaker 2: I worry every day. Waitest me thet.

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Speaker 2: I work.

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Speaker 1: I work every day. Look you know, oh my god.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if Darren actually believes that Luke rock

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Speaker 1: holds on steroids or if he's just trying to play

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Speaker 1: mind games with rock Cold. They just be like, look,

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Speaker 1: you're not You're not training that hard, and he tries

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Speaker 1: to psychologically push Luke to train harder, maybe over trained

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Speaker 1: for this fight because we all know that Luke Rockold

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Speaker 1: comes from a cage gym or they train like mad men.

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Speaker 1: It is not even close to the level of like

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Speaker 1: the level of dedication in that gym is like why

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Speaker 1: they had at one point one, two three, they had

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Speaker 1: four world champions in the span of like five years

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Speaker 1: in that gym. Luke Habib, Daniel Cormier, and game Velaskaz

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Speaker 1: all in that gym at the same time. So there's

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Speaker 1: no doubting Luke's work ethic. It's more about the mentality

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Speaker 1: of what happens during the fight for Luke rock Hold

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Speaker 1: and for Darren.

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Speaker 2: Till you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's been some of that as well, but his

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Speaker 1: has been mostly about work ethic and other things. So

854
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Speaker 1: Darren's saying you're not working hard is very interesting as well.

855
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 1: It could be my games.

856
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 3: I'll test, I'll test right now, but before they need

857
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 3: and the rings they need.

858
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is slice of who's Dan's who's hosting this?

859
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 1: I like him looks official.

860
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 4: When you look into each of his eyes right now,

861
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 4: what do you say.

862
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:30,479
Speaker 2: Well, just like just an old frail guy. Earlier about

863
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 2: it is he you got you got.

864
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: Some just an old frail guy is not really about

865
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: anything that is Uh, Yeah, Darren's playing mind games for sure.

866
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,720
Speaker 1: He's this is clearly the same day as the press conference,

867
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: and he's continuing to follow up with the whole year

868
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: old you need steroids, frail mentally, you're vein.

869
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 2: Like he was.

870
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 1: He was kind of cooking him. I'm not gonna lie.

871
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 1: Darren was was cooking with some of the stuff he

872
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 1: was saying about Luke in the press conference, that he's

873
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 1: just following up on it, hearing the face off.

874
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 3: It's because he beat up two BOMs.

875
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,959
Speaker 5: You beat war and the guy with years like bots

876
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 5: of Petty performing you just call annihilates.

877
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 2: You quit, didn't you? Qui?

878
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 3: I realized there's a dumb sport.

879
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 2: Quill, Yeah, it's a dumb sport Patty's made for.

880
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, you haven't. You haven't signed up. They have offered

881
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 3: you millions of dollars and you haven't done it because

882
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 3: you realize how dumb it is.

883
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: Looks like, yeah, you're smart.

884
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 2: I'm not.

885
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: That's why I love Luke because he's like I realized

886
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: it was a dumb sport after I almost got my

887
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: teeth knocked out while fighting, But not before that, not

888
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 1: while training for a bare knuckle fight, not while seeing

889
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 1: bare knuckle For the I don't know six or seven

890
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: years it's been a thing, but only when Perry split

891
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: his lip and Luke. I mean, I hate saying fighters

892
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,399
Speaker 1: quit because I am not a fighter, and I don't

893
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: feel like it's very fair for me to talk about

894
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: fighter's heart and quitting and all that, but it's clear that, yeah,

895
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: that fight, Luke just stopped fighting. He was like, I

896
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,320
Speaker 1: don't want to do this anymore. He definitely did not

897
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: want to continue fighting Mike Perry bareknuckle, So yeah, he

898
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 1: quit all right there and again, darre until you using

899
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: that it's a little mental game. I think it's a

900
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: genius play because all Luke can say was, oh, yeah,

901
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 1: you were smarter than me to not do it. And

902
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: I'm sure Luke got a lot of money. But Darren

903
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 1: Till it can be like, yeah, we spoed spy. You

904
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: want to do a spy may and they did years ago.

905
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: Darren Till and Mike Perry sparred and apparently the story

906
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 1: was Till beat the ship out of him.

907
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 3: You haven't. You haven't signed up. They have offered you

908
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 3: millions of dollars and you haven't done it because you

909
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 3: realized how dumb it is.

910
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 5: I'm like, I'm petty too. You're like, what are you

911
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 5: fifty six? That's you should be not just getting paid.

912
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 5: I'm still on a little king so by Patty.

913
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:34,919
Speaker 1: Yeah I'm thirty two, or are you like fifty six

914
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,240
Speaker 1: or something? This is like how I feel my YouTube

915
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: comment section talks to me when they call me unk

916
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 1: every day. I'm thirty two, y'all, I'm still somewhat young, dude.

917
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 5: Fucky and like you just dog walked it like dot

918
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 5: line dog will off fight me, mate, you hunting.

919
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 3: He would have took the fight a million times. You've

920
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 3: been denying the.

921
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 5: Brilliance and strike force you have to at the start

922
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 5: you were a fantastic but you you've got no young lady.

923
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 2: Go on your balls. You've got no pal.

924
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 3: You ran away from the hardest boy in the world

925
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 3: in the prime of your life.

926
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: That's a nice line from Luke. Darren says, you were

927
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: you were top. You were class and strike force and

928
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: in the early days of the U or his Luke's

929
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,720
Speaker 1: early days of the UFC, that's because you were technical.

930
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: You don't have any heart. That's interesting because again, there

931
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: are some fights where you've seen Luke check out a

932
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: little bit, right the Polo Coasta fight he was kind

933
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 1: of in and out and kind of walking around and

934
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 1: you heard his coach screaming at him to get like

935
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 1: locked back in. And then the Mike Perry fight and

936
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 1: Darren again, he has been a fan of MMA and

937
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: MMA fighters like Luke for a long time. He watched

938
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 1: him on the come up, so he's not talking shit there.

939
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: He's kind of talking truth. But Luke with a truth

940
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 1: bomb back. He's like, Yo, you left the UFC or

941
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: they were done with you in your prime, So what

942
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: are you talking about? Heart? How you going to talk

943
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: about my heart? You couldn't even keep going in the UFC.

944
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 1: You had to come do this. Even though it's like

945
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: both of them are trying to insult each other for

946
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: being on misfits, but at the same time they're both there.

947
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: It's like, Yo, you're not even in the UFC anymore, well,

948
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 1: neither of you. It's a Spider Man meme of we

949
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: were once big time UFC fighters, right, and again, I

950
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: don't look at it as disrespect to be in misfits,

951
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,320
Speaker 1: like I think it's a great thing that guys that

952
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 1: are either in that period of their combat sports career

953
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: where they want to do something different or they need

954
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 1: to change and they don't want to do MMA anymore,

955
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: or yeah, they're maybe done with their MMA career can

956
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,720
Speaker 1: come to misfits, get a crazy bag and still compete

957
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: and still have the adulation of their fandom to root

958
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: them on and maybe carve out a new lane for themselves.

959
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: Mike Perry is carving out of new lane over in

960
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: Bare Knuckle, so is to let me bang bro guy

961
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 1: what's his name, Julian something he's doing. He's made himself

962
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 1: six fight wins streak over there. Perry has come over

963
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 1: to Misfits, has become the main attraction right now with

964
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: cass ein not boxing. So yeah, I think this is

965
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: a great avenue for anybody that wants to get a

966
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: little switch up from the MMA scene or any other

967
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: sports scene.

968
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 2: Oh, lots of them, lots of them.

969
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 3: He broke you like a broth.

970
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 2: When he broke Keith, I will have me understand just

971
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 2: what strepid stuff.

972
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 5: And I was just like great, cut off the way,

973
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 5: cut off, the way Redcum's the cyclic copy beat.

974
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 2: The best thing you got over me is the left kick.

975
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 2: Your left kicks. But any in the house, mates, I'm

976
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 2: gonna bulldoze you on.

977
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: I am don't forgot Driggs did break darn till like again,

978
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: I don't like to talk like I'm somebody that even

979
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: knows anything about stepping in there in the octagon. But

980
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: Darren's right. He was outstriking Drags, he was piecing him up,

981
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 1: but Dricus was able to take him down over and over,

982
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: gass him, and eventually break him and choke him. Both

983
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 1: guys are telling truth to each other here. They don't

984
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 1: want to hear it. Like Luke doesn't want to hear

985
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: that he's a quitter. Luke doesn't want to hear that

986
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 1: after his two World championships that things changed, or that

987
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 1: he's vague, or that he's not got the mentality for fighting.

988
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: Darren doesn't want to hear that drack Is broke him

989
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: and that he couldn't stay around in the prime of

990
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: his MMA career and the only place he wanted to

991
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: be in the UFC. They don't want to hear that stuff.

992
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:54,320
Speaker 1: They're both telling the truth.

993
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 5: Back to So it was a fine UFC, but you

994
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 5: will all know you'll just stay to get paid. Come on,

995
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 5: let's just be fine. Walk in you train on.

996
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 2: To the me.

997
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 3: You waiting long up this morning at four a m.

998
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 3: I ran you just I got off the plug. You'll

999
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 3: see I'm fresh.

1000
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 2: You can believe that you believe that you understand everybody

1001
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 2: from is.

1002
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 3: On the steroids, but everybody's popped from your from what

1003
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 3: I understand, have you seen?

1004
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: So they're talking about steroids again, and Luke says, everybody

1005
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 1: spoke from your from your ends. From what I understand,

1006
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: that's local knowledge. From what I understand, and that's local knowledge.

1007
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 1: It's like I think they did. But I know this

1008
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: from talking to the I guess he means from talking

1009
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: to the locals. I'm not sure. I don't know who

1010
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: he's speaking about. That's pop for steroids and Darren's team.

1011
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: I don't think Darren's ever been associated with PDS in

1012
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: any way, shape or fashion like this is this is

1013
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: a nothing burger for both guys, Like Luke's not on it,

1014
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: Darren's not on it. Luke's always looked the way he

1015
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: looks now it's it's you know, he's looked that way

1016
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: consistently throughout his career. So I I think that's a

1017
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 1: nothing burger there.

1018
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 3: Hey, I'm ready to get tested any time you want.

1019
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 2: Trust me.

1020
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 4: There's no do you see this fight being more of

1021
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 4: a technical battle or based on this animosity right now?

1022
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 3: Is this going to be an all out war? Hey,

1023
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 3: it's gonna be a fight, A fight to fight, he

1024
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 3: got I mean, this guy Darren Stewart put you to

1025
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 3: the ropes.

1026
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 2: I'm not that good.

1027
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 5: Really, you're not that, You're really not you look, even

1028
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 5: though lost not has anyone even come close apart from

1029
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 5: as Well to beat me on the feet.

1030
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 1: I love Darren Man, He's like, look at my entire

1031
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 1: career and he's right that on the feet he's had

1032
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: a lot of success. But you know he's fighting hma

1033
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 1: and talking about on the feet. I get it because

1034
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: we're doing boxing. But yeah, hey, Masbadal did leave him unconscious.

1035
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: You know, it was controversial him and Steven wonder Boy

1036
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: Thompson in that fight, I think in his backyard right.

1037
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: That was in Liverpool, and the Robert Whittaker fight as well.

1038
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: That was a fight where Darren did hit him with

1039
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 1: a nasty elbow, but Robert ended up finding a way

1040
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: to win. So yes, Darren is somewhat right that on

1041
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: the feet as a striker, he is far better than

1042
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: a lot of people. He's one of the best in

1043
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 1: the world. And even as a boxer, Darren Stewart Anthony Taylor,

1044
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 1: they were no match. Darren Stewart was tough, his nails

1045
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,280
Speaker 1: and had his moments, but in this fight, the difference

1046
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,439
Speaker 1: absolutely will be how Luke Rockhold adjust. And of course

1047
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: I think everybody is leaning toward Darren Till winning this

1048
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: thing because of his experience as a striker, because of

1049
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 1: his ability. But if Luke rock Hold is surprising and

1050
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: he's able to be tough, this thing could change. And

1051
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 1: I don't I want to say too much about what

1052
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: Luke looks like in person. You guys will see that

1053
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 1: in next week's video. But Darren is talking as if

1054
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 1: Luke has nothing for him, and Darren's just levels above him,

1055
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: and he may be right, but it's a dangerous way

1056
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 1: to think if there's a lot of unknown in that picture.

1057
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:45,959
Speaker 2: I'm a mustard on the feet Maslo. Yeah, like, okay,

1058
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 2: so you.

1059
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 3: Know what I would do is Mazol smoke him. He'd

1060
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 3: be done in a round.

1061
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, what happened with Patty Mike.

1062
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,760
Speaker 3: Pay This is bare knuckle boxing.

1063
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 2: It's completely different, Okay, but he's still dog walking. You know.

1064
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 3: I didn't dog walked me. I didn't want to lose

1065
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 3: my teeth for a dumb floor.

1066
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 1: This whole exchange is crazy because I don't know if

1067
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,240
Speaker 1: they're even talking about boxing or if they're talking about MMA,

1068
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: but it looks like, you know what I would have

1069
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:14,399
Speaker 1: done to mas Vadaloo has smoked him inside one round,

1070
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,280
Speaker 1: and I assume he means an MMA, I'm not boxing.

1071
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. But then Till says what about Perry?

1072
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 1: And then Luke's like, well, no, that's a different thing.

1073
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,439
Speaker 1: Well yeah, but it's closer to boxing than it is MMA.

1074
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess. But then Luke again me and

1075
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 1: like he said this to me too. He was like,

1076
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: it was a dumb sport and I didn't want to

1077
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 1: lose my teeth. He about lost his tooth when Perry

1078
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: cracked him. But I just don't know, Like what did

1079
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: Luke think he was getting into. He keeps saying, Oh,

1080
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: I realized it was a dumb sport. It was a

1081
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:43,720
Speaker 1: dumb sport. It's bare knuckle boxing. You're punching with nothing

1082
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: on your hand, so of course, just like in MMA,

1083
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 1: and just like in boxing, you run the risk of

1084
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 1: getting hit, and if you get hit, it's gonna be

1085
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: so much worse, you know, aesthetically, because there's no padding

1086
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: in your hands. I don't know what Luke keeps using

1087
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 1: that as like the thing to go to. I realized

1088
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: at one point it was stupid. Not while training for it.

1089
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: When I accepted, you were throwing hooks like that, Like,

1090
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: what's that about?

1091
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 2: Mates? Get involved?

1092
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 3: Have you ever put on no gloves and walked into

1093
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 3: the ring?

1094
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 2: No?

1095
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 3: Because you're.

1096
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: I love Luke so much?

1097
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:14,839
Speaker 5: Man?

1098
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: Have you ever put on no gloves? They go, put

1099
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 1: my no gloves on? Son? I mean everybody obviously knows.

1100
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: He's like, have you ever fought with no gloves on?

1101
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: But just the way he says, have you ever put

1102
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:26,760
Speaker 1: on no gloves?

1103
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 2: Like?

1104
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: What are you even saying?

1105
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:28,919
Speaker 2: Dude?

1106
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:30,879
Speaker 1: Have you ever not put wraps on and then put

1107
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 1: on your no gloves?

1108
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 2: We have no gloves? Well, I'm basically fighting in my

1109
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 2: city center, and I'm going to tell you, Mundy, so

1110
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 2: what are you both?

1111
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 3: You don't think I put my time in on the street.

1112
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 2: You'll know that guy.

1113
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 3: This is what you think.

1114
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 2: You'll know that guy? What you think you know? You'll

1115
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 2: know that guy.

1116
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:47,839
Speaker 5: You think you know that guy. I've been a fan

1117
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 5: of you. You're a brilliant strike force you have. You're

1118
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 5: not that guy.

1119
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 2: You know You're not that guy. I am. You're a

1120
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:57,399
Speaker 2: lot more than you what you think I forgot. You're

1121
00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:58,320
Speaker 2: old though.

1122
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: I'm very gl think about this is these two are

1123
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: talking like neither of them know how to fight, when

1124
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 1: we all know they both do. But they're in this

1125
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: little separate conversation of like between people that know how

1126
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: to fight talking You're not what you say you are,

1127
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: and you know vice versa. What Darren is saying is like, oh,

1128
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: you're not a street tough guy like that, and Darren's

1129
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 1: like I am. Neither of them have to be street

1130
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:21,280
Speaker 1: tough because we're boxing. They need to be boxing savvy,

1131
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 1: boxing tough, but also tactical and strategic and have some

1132
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: ability and some technique and some skill and some ability

1133
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: to adjust. All that is more important than the who

1134
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:35,240
Speaker 1: I'm a better street fighter than you, But it's ego

1135
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 1: comes out in a little bit of machismo as well.

1136
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 3: This is how you're building your confidence.

1137
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 5: I want you to build that up because these as

1138
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 5: I know is I'm games for fighting fighting.

1139
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:45,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm not trying to build anything.

1140
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1141
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 4: Without being said that or for both of you, what

1142
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 4: does a win here for every of you prove at

1143
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 4: this point in your career and moving forwards.

1144
00:50:56,239 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 5: Boom he wasn't a boom twenty years ago. You know,

1145
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 5: me and Misfits are going to pay him. Well, that's it.

1146
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 2: I'm the star. Luke used to be the star like

1147
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 2: he did, didn't He's a great champion.

1148
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:14,720
Speaker 1: And I said this in my breakdown of their press conference,

1149
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: and I think I was more right about it than

1150
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: I even knew. I think he's being a little bit

1151
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: facetious when he says Luke's and nobody, because Luke may

1152
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: not be the biggest star MMA ever produced, but he's

1153
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,800
Speaker 1: a big name and a two time former champion in

1154
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,359
Speaker 1: the sport of MMA. Like that's that's nothing. That's nothing

1155
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 1: to sloutchat. He's a main event guy wherever he goes,

1156
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 1: main evented in MMA, obviously had some massive moments there,

1157
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 1: mainovented and Bare Knuckle main evented I think Karate Combat

1158
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 1: as well, and main events here on Misfits. What I

1159
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 1: think Darren means when he's talking about all this is

1160
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 1: he's talking to Luke saying, I used to watch you

1161
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,240
Speaker 1: as an MMA champion and Strikeforce and in the UFC,

1162
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:49,839
Speaker 1: and you were the man, and now I'm the man.

1163
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: Now you're coming over to my thing, right, he said, Oh,

1164
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 1: me and Misfits decided to pay you now. Darren's the star.

1165
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 1: Now he's the one at the marquee. He's the one

1166
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 1: given opportunities, and I think that's been more important to

1167
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,720
Speaker 1: him for this fight, and probably even money or anything

1168
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: else that he in his mind, it's so important to

1169
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 1: him to beat an MMA champion, even if it's not

1170
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:10,840
Speaker 1: an MMA, because Darren still looks at himself as a

1171
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 1: UFC fighter. He's not even looking at this as like, oh,

1172
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 1: misfits boxing. It's like Darren Till versus Luke rock Hold

1173
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 1: and their UFC accolades kind of on the line, like

1174
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 1: he can be like, I beat a world champ and

1175
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: that confidence it gives him to potentially one day go

1176
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:25,439
Speaker 1: back and fight him May But I'm telling you there's

1177
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 1: something about that that Darren loves more than just boxing.

1178
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: It's that it's Luke rock Hold and it's an MMA,

1179
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 1: specifically UFC champion that he can potentially beat.

1180
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 3: You're You're you're building this confidence off two guys that

1181
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 3: absolutely suck.

1182
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 1: No.

1183
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:41,399
Speaker 5: I asked my coach today when we're on the track,

1184
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 5: and I'm like, is Luke saying like this? And He's like,

1185
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 5: not a cotton hells chance? Because i'mortant proper with him.

1186
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 3: I won't believe that, but I also understand I'm working

1187
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 3: harder than you every day.

1188
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 2: You know I've watched all you him. You know you're

1189
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 2: on the track where she told or not, you're just

1190
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 2: doing it.

1191
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 3: I'm not doing anything cheat, I'm doing my own thing.

1192
00:52:57,960 --> 00:52:58,839
Speaker 3: I'm in a boxing gym.

1193
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 2: Everything the books and gym. No one's teaching you because

1194
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:02,800
Speaker 2: I'm using.

1195
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 3: Two pound gloves every day. You can judge it.

1196
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 2: Okay, read it what you want.

1197
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 3: Wait, wait till you put on when I'm beating your ass.

1198
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: I can confirm that Luke does use two pound gloves

1199
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 1: every day to train it. It's one of the craziest things.

1200
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 1: I didn't even know people did it. But again, you'll

1201
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 1: have to stay tuned next week for that video. I

1202
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: tried him on and did some work with him, and

1203
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: it felt like a fucking sledgehammer was attached to my arms.

1204
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 1: It made no sense. But this is an interesting kind

1205
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 1: of thing too, and that's why I said at the

1206
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 1: beginning of the video. I don't know if Darren Till's

1207
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 1: trying to play like psychological games with Luke, but you

1208
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: hear him even talking in his training. He's like asking

1209
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 1: his coach. He's like, I'm asking my coach, do you

1210
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: think Luke trains this hard? And his coach is like,

1211
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 1: not a chance in hell. I know a lot of

1212
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: fighters do that, and there's maybe you know, you could

1213
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 1: read into some insecurities there, but I think every fighter

1214
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: has insecurities when they're coming up to a fight and

1215
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 1: they need some reassurance, right, You need them sometimes your

1216
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: coach to be there to be like, yeah, no, he's

1217
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 1: not training like you are. Ain't no way he's training

1218
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: like you are. No what trains like this? When in

1219
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:00,479
Speaker 1: reality everyone trains hard. I'm sure that some more than others.

1220
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 1: But I'm not gonna chock this fight up to who

1221
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 1: trained harder. I think it's gonna come down again just

1222
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: skills pay the bills, not necessarily just who trained hard.

1223
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:10,800
Speaker 3: The first case is what I mean if if you

1224
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 3: if you're losing, you can throw the first kick.

1225
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 5: No, I let you throw two, because it's what I'll

1226
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 5: tell you both. I'm gonna realist your left kick is Chris.

1227
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 5: We're just boxing and I'm gonna smash you.

1228
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 1: I liked what Luke said right there. You know what,

1229
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: if you start losing, you could throw the first kick.

1230
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 1: Matter of fact, you get even throw to call back

1231
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: to Darren until saying he was gonna kick Tommy if

1232
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,359
Speaker 1: he started losing. I like that I was clever from Luke.

1233
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 5: I'm gonna be in on you and you I'm making

1234
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,840
Speaker 5: you quis and I'm younger and I'm probably stronger.

1235
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 2: Even though you're juicing up.

1236
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 5: This is not this is just me and you'll come

1237
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 5: in yet mind You'll find MASI I'm gonna prop with

1238
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:48,800
Speaker 5: do you in Luke, I'm gonna botter you, hopefully be

1239
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:49,359
Speaker 5: raked after.

1240
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 2: I know you love yourself and you know I'm gonna

1241
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 2: botter you, and I know that I'm on you.

1242
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 1: It's a psycho like way to think. Number One, there's

1243
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:01,720
Speaker 1: a couple things Darren said there that Luke is flying

1244
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 1: to the UK, and that's gonna be a big factor.

1245
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: It is. I mean, depending on when Luke gets there.

1246
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: He might get there a little early and adjust. When

1247
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:09,879
Speaker 1: I got there and I was fighting because I live

1248
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:12,360
Speaker 1: in Orange County, Luke was training in Orange County in

1249
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:15,320
Speaker 1: LA I went to Manchester. Luke's fighting in Manchester. It

1250
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 1: was a big adjustment. It was a real adjustment for me.

1251
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,760
Speaker 1: Granted I'd never fought before, so there's a ton of nerves,

1252
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 1: and you know, me just trying to even sleep with

1253
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 1: all of the anticipation and just wanting to get in there,

1254
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:28,799
Speaker 1: and you know, trying to make sure that it wasn't

1255
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: cutting weight, but I was making sure that I wasn't

1256
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 1: eating a ton, and you know, just keeping myself ready

1257
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 1: to go.

1258
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 2: It was a lot.

1259
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 1: It was training and sleep schedule being the main thing.

1260
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 1: But that's a major factor. And I don't think we

1261
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 1: talk about it enough when we talk about where these

1262
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 1: fights are held. But that's an eight hour time difference,

1263
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 1: so your sleep schedule has to change like that. It's

1264
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 1: insane to think about. But outside of that, you know,

1265
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 1: Darren keeps prodding him with the steroid stuff. But even

1266
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 1: the way Darren's talking, like dude, I'm gonna smash you,

1267
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 1: like the confidence he has that it's not even going

1268
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 1: to be close tells me that again, Darren has built

1269
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 1: himself back in this misfit scene and that he relishes

1270
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 1: the idea of someone now coming over into what he's

1271
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: built and trying to take it away from him.

1272
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 3: I like that you're gonna You're not gonna put I'm

1273
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 3: gonna put on You have no idea what I'm gonna

1274
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 3: bring to the table. I'm a lot different you. No

1275
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 3: one's ever seen me in boxing. No one's ever seen

1276
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 3: me stepping ring with shoes and gloves and movement and

1277
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 3: not having to worry about kicks. It's gonna be different, Darren.

1278
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 3: I guarantee everyone, I'm gonna change a lot of opinions,

1279
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna put it.

1280
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 1: On a little bit.

1281
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 3: Maybe you got hit, you got him by, you got

1282
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 3: out my steward.

1283
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 2: Do you haven't right?

1284
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 3: I took it from I knocked out Joe Shilling.

1285
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 2: I took it. I took his best punch, Joe Shilling

1286
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 2: beating old guys open.

1287
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 1: Why did Joe Shilling get rought up that? I mean, listen,

1288
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 1: Joe Shilling was a nasty, nasty striker in his day.

1289
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 1: But Darren says, Joe Shill have beaten old people up

1290
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 1: in bars.

1291
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 3: I'll get the last two guys you've beat, got no chip.

1292
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 3: It took you six rounds to put away that little

1293
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 3: dwarf chi.

1294
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 1: It's a good point. That's a good point from Rock Gold.

1295
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 1: It did take Darren a lot longer to put away

1296
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 1: Anthony Taylor. Anthony Taylor's tough Tommy Fury couldn't put him away.

1297
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 1: There's a lot of guys haven't been able to put

1298
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 1: away Anthony Taylor like he was getting soundly beat. But

1299
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 1: a lot of guys can't put him away. Darren did.

1300
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 1: But that's a you know, that's a good point. Darren

1301
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 1: did struggle to put away Anthony Taylor, who's not naturally

1302
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 1: that heavy of a guy, usually fights at around the

1303
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 1: one seventy one seventy five range. And Luke is a

1304
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 1: big dude. He was bigger than me and we you

1305
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I trained with him to a

1306
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 1: little square up see where I was at. I was

1307
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 1: a little taller, but he was just big. He was

1308
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 1: a big dude.

1309
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna be like Stuarts can't even walk.

1310
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 2: The guy's got to have You've seen that guy the

1311
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 2: most you've seen me in the bowl of it. Yeah,

1312
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 2: you'll tall. But do you know what? You got a law,

1313
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 2: but you got no chip?

1314
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 3: You sleeping? No, youn't think I'm not working. You think

1315
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 3: I got no cham. You're gonna find out everything I.

1316
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 1: Know you were.

1317
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 5: You're old, you're old and your baldy waking with people

1318
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 5: all these a little bit broken, and it's like, oh,

1319
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 5: I don't really want to go to truck so you

1320
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 5: have then days off you're on the beach posting all

1321
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 5: selfia you know, you know cocons.

1322
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 2: I'm in cold England. There's only we can only say

1323
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 2: that there's nothing else to do.

1324
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 3: I'm putting the work in durn Hey man, I'm not

1325
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 3: gonna lie.

1326
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, trying to do hard work in Orange County is

1327
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 1: probably tough, like you have to be I think even

1328
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 1: more mentally, like locked in to push yourself harder to

1329
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 1: go out and train hard when you live in Orange County, California,

1330
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 1: or when you live in like a really beautiful place,

1331
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 1: because it's so easy to not do it. So you

1332
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 1: really do have to be committed if you're going to

1333
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 1: train and live in California to being a fighter, because

1334
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 1: there's way too many distractions. London. I've been there not

1335
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 1: so much.

1336
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 3: Working and I'm better than I've ever been. When I

1337
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:50,439
Speaker 3: fought Paulo Costa, I thought harder than you've ever thought

1338
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 3: for three years and I didn't take care of myself

1339
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 3: and coming back from that. Since then, three years later,

1340
00:58:54,880 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 3: four years later, I've been working. I live you kind

1341
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 3: I'm just saying when I fought.

1342
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 1: Pollo Costa is not a bomb, especially after his last fight.

1343
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:10,919
Speaker 1: Paulocasta is fully back and yeah, Poulo's had a little

1344
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 1: bit of a on and off career. He's taken a

1345
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 1: lot of time off. But if Darren's gonna call Poulo

1346
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 1: Costa boom, he kind of has a similar career to

1347
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 1: Darren till right, had some great fights, beat some tough guys,

1348
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 1: lost a world championship, and hasn't gotten back to it yet. Darren,

1349
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 1: that's what you can't go and say you're the best

1350
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 1: striker this that and then call Paulocasta bom because the

1351
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 1: careers are very similar.

1352
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 3: I thought when I fought that fight. Now I've been

1353
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 3: working NonStop every day and it's different and everything's improved.

1354
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 3: In universe really seen it? No one never really seen

1355
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 3: it because I test myself.

1356
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 2: Boxing. Do you still go and it's difference in boxing.

1357
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 2: That's what I.

1358
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 3: Boxed one of the best, some of the best guys

1359
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 3: in the world.

1360
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 2: I just watch give me a fox, look at you,

1361
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 2: bar No, I'm in a gym with proper world champions.

1362
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 3: I am trust me, I do I do work your

1363
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 3: coaches me, but.

1364
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 2: You're not you want to win all the world champions.

1365
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:09,919
Speaker 5: I actually on all the guys are all professional boxing

1366
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 5: will champs, just fighting the likes of Camelop.

1367
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 1: I love about It's both these guys are like, I

1368
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 1: fight world champions in the gym in my boxing gym.

1369
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 1: World champions go in and out looks like I spar

1370
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 1: world champs. Darren's like, well, oh oh he's spar. Luke

1371
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 1: As said the same thing. And neither of them want

1372
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 1: to give names. So let's talk facts. And both guys

1373
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 1: went noh yeah, yeah, me too. Yeah, world champions, world champions,

1374
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 1: fucking hello this. I mean, I'm sure they're both right

1375
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 1: that they fight high level guys, but why I mean,

1376
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 1: if you're gonna talk about sparring, which you probably you know,

1377
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 1: it's one of those things you probably shouldn't, but we're

1378
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:41,480
Speaker 1: going to talk about it, just say who is you know?

1379
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 1: Otherwise none of this means anything. Both guys are just

1380
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 1: being like, oh, yeah, no, you you just fighting the.

1381
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 3: Box.

1382
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 5: I guess I need I might need to spy if

1383
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 5: it's right, because guess what, no one wants to spinalcles.

1384
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 2: I've knocked every spawning pot.

1385
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 1: Did he just say I need to spar you for

1386
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 1: this fight because I've knocked all the sparring partners. That's hilarious.

1387
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 2: God, So you want to spar before will spot upon us.

1388
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:08,440
Speaker 2: I don't want to spot me.

1389
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 3: The problem is scared if we sparred, there's no way

1390
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 3: you're making to the fight.

1391
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 5: Well that's funny, because I spy like a fight. I

1392
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 5: just want to add people to know that guy, you're

1393
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:21,960
Speaker 5: all technically.

1394
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:23,960
Speaker 3: That's what everyone thinks. But I walked in the ring

1395
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 3: last week against a six foot six, two hundred and

1396
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 3: sixty pounds professional boxer and I let him.

1397
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 2: You think I'm I'm lost.

1398
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 5: I feel yeah, of course, But that's where you're wrong,

1399
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 5: because you're just saying you don't feel me.

1400
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 2: You s'll fear me.

1401
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 1: They s bridge away titlers on the line. It's so weird.

1402
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 1: I don't like Darren is talking that talk to him, like, yeah,

1403
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 1: I believe what Darren's saying, Like, yeah, I go in

1404
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 1: there and spark you. I just fight him. And again

1405
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 1: there's that mentality difference in his mind. He thinks like,

1406
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 1: I'm a proper fighter. When things go bad, I'm still

1407
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 1: gonna fight. He's like, Luke, you're technical but when things

1408
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 1: go bad, you'll quit. And that that is the thing

1409
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 1: that I think Darren is really holding on to and

1410
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:03,120
Speaker 1: saying that's what separates us. Like I'm technical, I'm a

1411
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 1: good striker, but even when I'm not having my best day,

1412
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 1: I can get through it, even when someone's putting on me,

1413
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 1: I can come back. Luke, if things go wrong for you,

1414
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 1: you're gonna quit because I know you're technical, and know

1415
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 1: you're good, you're strong, all that, but when someone stands

1416
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 1: up to you, when someone pushes you back, you quit.

1417
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:19,800
Speaker 1: Keep that in mind for the fight, because I think

1418
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 1: that's from psychoanalyzing this thing. I think that is such

1419
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 1: an important point that Darren keeps going back to, and

1420
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 1: Luke's just like, no, I'm different. I'm different, which again

1421
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 1: I don't could be deflection, could be the truth. But

1422
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 1: I'm hearing a lot from Luke saying like, I'm different

1423
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:35,440
Speaker 1: now and things are different now, and I'm working harder

1424
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 1: now and things are changed, and no one knows and

1425
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 1: no one's seen it, and it's a lot of hype.

1426
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 1: But I need to see it. That's the biggest thing.

1427
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 1: I need to see it. I've seen it from Darren.

1428
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 1: I need to see it from Luke.

1429
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 4: On the Lion for both of you. Start with you, Luke,

1430
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 4: how much does that belt mean for you for the

1431
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 4: next stage of your career? Where does that belt take?

1432
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 2: The belts?

1433
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 5: Let's just get us to date. He's got one thing.

1434
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 5: I want to be sc title. Yeah, I don't care.

1435
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:03,959
Speaker 1: I called. I'm sorry, I'm laughing. I've told I've told

1436
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 1: you guys that I don't think the crossover boxing belts

1437
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 1: should be as big a deal as they are. I

1438
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 1: get it, you know, it's it's a symbol with symbolism

1439
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 1: for being the best in misfits. But I've never understood

1440
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 1: why we even have belts because we just want to

1441
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 1: see fights. We want to see. It is what it is,

1442
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 1: the belts. I'm not gonna gripe about him anymore because

1443
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 1: they're here whatever. But the fact that both these guys go, yeah,

1444
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:29,600
Speaker 1: fuck that, it's because again they see themselves as the

1445
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 1: UFC top tier level guys. And you heard Darren say

1446
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 1: it right there. I called this stuff. The only thing

1447
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:41,240
Speaker 1: that's motivating Darren externally is the fact that Luke Rockholt

1448
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 1: is a former UFC World champion, and Darren always saw

1449
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 1: himself as a world champion level fighter. So when he

1450
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 1: beats Luke, he in his mind can justify that he

1451
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 1: was world championship level. That's what he said. Right there.

1452
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 1: I see a UFC belt when I look at him.

1453
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 1: That's what I've been saying.

1454
01:03:57,400 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 2: Belts. What are we even fighting for?

1455
01:03:59,680 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 1: The boat?

1456
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:00,439
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1457
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:04,960
Speaker 3: I don't give fighting for one reason, one reason. We

1458
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:06,480
Speaker 3: know what we want. We want the money. We want

1459
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 3: to right the wrongs of this stupid, this world that

1460
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 3: is boxing. And there's this clown and someone's gotta put

1461
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:15,480
Speaker 3: him down. It's gonna be me for you.

1462
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:19,440
Speaker 1: What the is he talking about?

1463
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 2: A bro?

1464
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 1: I love Luke, that's awesome. We gotta fight the wrongs

1465
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 1: of this world of boxing. Someone's gonna put this clown down,

1466
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:32,080
Speaker 1: and it's me bars.

1467
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 3: Play out, slash whatever I want. I'm gonna Darren's gonna come.

1468
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 3: Darren's gonna come. He's gonna play his game. But he

1469
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 3: doesn't like pressure. He doesn't like pressure. He doesn't understand

1470
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 3: how hard I hit. I can, I can, I can around.

1471
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 3: You don't hit hard, Oh guy, you don't hit I

1472
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:54,920
Speaker 3: hit hard with both hands. I can put people down

1473
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:55,600
Speaker 3: with both hands.

1474
01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 1: Obviously, everyone who's watching this, I mean again, Luke was

1475
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:02,120
Speaker 1: never known as like a hard puncher in MMA. Was definitely,

1476
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:04,440
Speaker 1: like Darren said, a hard kicker. But Luke is a

1477
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:07,680
Speaker 1: two hundred and ten to fifteen pound guy that's cutting

1478
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:09,680
Speaker 1: down naturally bigger than a lot of the guys Darren

1479
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 1: till has fought. He's gonna hit hard. Maybe not you know,

1480
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:16,080
Speaker 1: boxing hard, or you know someone that's punched their entire

1481
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 1: lives hard. But Luke's gonna crack. Daron can't just rely

1482
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 1: on the fact he's gonna take punches to get punches.

1483
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 1: I don't think that's the right move for Derek.

1484
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:24,440
Speaker 4: That we've got a serious heat coming off this matchup

1485
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:27,400
Speaker 4: two fantastic strikers, two of the best South Paus ever

1486
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:29,480
Speaker 4: in my opinion, to do it, guys, thank you, don't

1487
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:32,680
Speaker 4: forget to tune in August thirtieth live from Manchester, AO

1488
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 4: Arenas and exclusively.

1489
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:39,560
Speaker 1: On Design Banger of a Face. Okay, So thoughts again,

1490
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:42,720
Speaker 1: I think Darren is so giddy to fight Luke because

1491
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 1: he sees him as what Darren sees himself as, like,

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01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 1: he sees himself as a world championship level fighter, and

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01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 1: Luke represents that. Even if Luke is not the UFC

1494
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:53,400
Speaker 1: champion anymore. Darren always wanted to get there. That's why

1495
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:57,160
Speaker 1: he relishes this moment. And he's super confident, right. I mean,

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01:05:57,240 --> 01:06:00,440
Speaker 1: he's telling Luke that he doesn't have the mentality for it,

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01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:02,480
Speaker 1: that he's gonna quit, that Darren's gonna make him quit.

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01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 1: And I believe it when Darren says, like, hey, you're

1499
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 1: not about that scrapping fight, You're about being technical. You're

1500
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 1: about when it comes down to it, you're better than

1501
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 1: the other guy, which is why you'll win. But Darren's

1502
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 1: essentially like, listen, you're not better than me. And even

1503
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:16,840
Speaker 1: if you were and things went bad for me at

1504
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 1: certain points, I still would have something for you. I

1505
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 1: would still find a way to come back because my

1506
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:23,640
Speaker 1: mentality is different than yours. Darren sees himself as a

1507
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 1: fighter and sees Luke as an athlete or a sportsman,

1508
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:28,560
Speaker 1: and you know the age and the fact that Luke

1509
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:31,640
Speaker 1: is not a natural striker or a natural boxer like

1510
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 1: I think Darren is. Realistically, again, I love this stuff

1511
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 1: because you get to see a little bit of mentality

1512
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 1: and Luke is essentially saying I'm the best I've ever been.

1513
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 1: You haven't seen this. You don't know what I'm gonna

1514
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:45,120
Speaker 1: bring all that, and it's great to hear, but I've

1515
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 1: heard a lot of guys say stuff like that and

1516
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 1: then it ended up being, you know, not as great

1517
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:53,160
Speaker 1: as what they thought based on their sparring, because you

1518
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 1: can't necessarily replicate a boxing match, even in sparring, even

1519
01:06:57,560 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 1: if you've been an MMA world champion. The match it's

1520
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:02,480
Speaker 1: is different, The speed is different, time, he's different, distance

1521
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 1: is different, and it's just you can only do so

1522
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 1: much in sparring to get yourself ready. But both guys

1523
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 1: are confident. I will say what I have seen from

1524
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:10,920
Speaker 1: Luke is a bit different than I expected, and he

1525
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:14,040
Speaker 1: is a lot better with his hands than I expected,

1526
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 1: being air in person and knowing what I did know

1527
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 1: about his MMA career. So maybe he's writing the people

1528
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:21,400
Speaker 1: do not sleep on him as a boxer. I just

1529
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:23,640
Speaker 1: I don't know how it's gonna translate when Darren's in

1530
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:25,400
Speaker 1: front of him. But if you want to see that,

1531
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:29,400
Speaker 1: stay tuned this week. Me Luke Rockold training VID coming soon.

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Speaker 1: You don't want to miss it. As far as what

1533
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:32,920
Speaker 1: happens in this fight, listen, I don't have those answers.

1534
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 1: The one answer I do have is this is gonna

1535
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:36,520
Speaker 1: be a banger of a car dar until Luke Rockold

1536
01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:40,160
Speaker 1: in the main event, Tony Ferguson versus Salt Poppy in

1537
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:42,560
Speaker 1: the co main event, a ton of other great fights

1538
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:44,240
Speaker 1: on Misfits twenty two. You don't want to miss it

1539
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:46,720
Speaker 1: August thirtieth. I'll be there. As far as what happens,

1540
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:49,840
Speaker 1: don't have those answers, but I guess we'll find out,

1541
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:52,000
Speaker 1: all right, folks. So we are back on the way

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Speaker 1: concept presented by the Ring. But today, folks, we are

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Speaker 1: talking MMA because UFC three to nineteen is just around

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01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:00,920
Speaker 1: the corner. You do not want to miss it. Hamzat

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Speaker 1: Chimayev taken on Dricis Dupless for the UFC Middleweight Championship

1546
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Speaker 1: of the World. This fight, my opinion, is gonna go

1547
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 1: one of two ways. We're gonna break it down. We're

1548
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Speaker 1: also gonna talk about the co main event and the

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Speaker 1: Aaron Peco title runs starting Saturday, in my opinion, as

1550
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 1: well as some other fights on the card, but the

1551
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 1: main event. Like I said, Hamsa Chamaiev drinks dupless c.

1552
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:23,800
Speaker 1: I see the path to victory for both guys being

1553
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:27,920
Speaker 1: very straightforward. And very simple. But I could be wrong

1554
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:29,760
Speaker 1: and it is fighting fifty to fifties at the end

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Speaker 1: of the day. But let's take a look at my

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Speaker 1: like I said, UFC at three nineteen this Saturday in

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Speaker 1: the Shy Town, Chicago, Illinois, and this is a banger

1586
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:13,400
Speaker 1: of a card. Man Hyasakura Tim Elliott to start out

1587
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:15,400
Speaker 1: the main card. I'm looking through the prelims. Now we

1588
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:19,479
Speaker 1: got King Green on the prelims. Gerald Meershart just gone drag,

1589
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:22,920
Speaker 1: Alexander Hernandez and Chase Hooper. Man, it feels like Chase

1590
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 1: Hooper is like in perpetual limbo. There Edson Barbosa on

1591
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 1: this card. Man, Yeah, some ogs in the game on

1592
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:31,840
Speaker 1: this one. But we're gonna take a look at the

1593
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:33,759
Speaker 1: main card, and we're gonna start with the Michael vinam

1594
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:37,560
Speaker 1: Page and Jared Cannon near fight. I mean, listen, no

1595
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:39,679
Speaker 1: one's been able to strike with Michael vinim Page since

1596
01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:42,120
Speaker 1: he's got in the UFC, really since ever, outside of

1597
01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:45,320
Speaker 1: Douglas Lima hitting him with an uppercut. His MVP tried

1598
01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:48,680
Speaker 1: to be all snakelike and flat lining him there, but

1599
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:52,240
Speaker 1: in the UFC especially I Gary had to grapple with him.

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01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:54,720
Speaker 1: He beat Shara at his own game. He's just a

1601
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:57,280
Speaker 1: difficult matchup for a lot of people. I don't care

1602
01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:00,160
Speaker 1: if he is close to forty at this point he

1603
01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:01,960
Speaker 1: got into the UFC, LA he's fighting a guy in

1604
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:04,840
Speaker 1: Jared Kennaneer that's also up there in age and also

1605
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:06,840
Speaker 1: has that weakness of you know, being able to go

1606
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:08,880
Speaker 1: strike for strike with some of the higher level guys.

1607
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:12,080
Speaker 1: And also Jared can be exposed going strike for strike

1608
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:14,920
Speaker 1: with some of the higher level guys. But the main

1609
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:17,920
Speaker 1: factor I see here is obviously the weight that Michael

1610
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:20,280
Speaker 1: vinim Page is fighting at. It's one seventy, it's one

1611
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:23,200
Speaker 1: eighty five, it's one seventy, one eighty five. He's bouncing

1612
01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:27,160
Speaker 1: around a little bit, but also his height, his reach

1613
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 1: for one seventy or one eighty five, it's kind of

1614
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:31,559
Speaker 1: like Kevin Holland when you watch him fight, it's kind

1615
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:33,760
Speaker 1: of insane to see how much taller he is than

1616
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:36,679
Speaker 1: guys even at one eighty five, and his reach is incredible.

1617
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:38,600
Speaker 1: He's got a seventy nine inch reach there. So I

1618
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:40,280
Speaker 1: don't know if if Jerry Kenneer is going to do

1619
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:42,040
Speaker 1: a ton of grappling. If he does, he can slow

1620
01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:44,400
Speaker 1: this fight down and potentially make it a boring decision,

1621
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:46,720
Speaker 1: kind of like Ian Gary did to MVP. But if

1622
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:49,639
Speaker 1: this does remain a striking bout, MVP will win this fight.

1623
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:52,360
Speaker 1: In my opinion, I think he has enough ability, he's

1624
01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:55,800
Speaker 1: got great timing, he's obviously explosive. Potentially you could see

1625
01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:58,519
Speaker 1: Jered Kennanyer tries to grapple. I don't think Jered Kennonier

1626
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:00,200
Speaker 1: is a big time grappler in his own right, so

1627
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:03,000
Speaker 1: maybe that attempt makes him more fatigue, opens him up

1628
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:05,080
Speaker 1: to more shots. I mean, we're only going three rounds here,

1629
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:08,320
Speaker 1: and I think Jared has fought an average of fifteen

1630
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:11,679
Speaker 1: minutes or so in the UFC, and that's probably because

1631
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:14,600
Speaker 1: he's been in five round fights multiple times now. But

1632
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:17,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think MVP can win a decision here.

1633
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:19,240
Speaker 1: I think Cannady or if he does try to grap

1634
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:21,720
Speaker 1: a little more, you can think potentially there's a chance

1635
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:23,719
Speaker 1: for him to win a decision. But I think striking.

1636
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:26,000
Speaker 1: If we're gonna go strikes for strike, cannad here is

1637
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:28,600
Speaker 1: more open to being it, but also more open to

1638
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:31,679
Speaker 1: hitting Michael vinim page, you see a strike's landed permitted,

1639
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:34,639
Speaker 1: strikes absorbed permitted. But when MVP does throw, he throws

1640
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:37,880
Speaker 1: with high velocity, looking to damage and looking to hurt you.

1641
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:41,080
Speaker 1: So you know, if I could go either way, I'm

1642
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:44,040
Speaker 1: gonna rock with MVP. Though it may not be a

1643
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:46,600
Speaker 1: super flashy performance, and it may be something where he

1644
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:49,320
Speaker 1: wins by just a little bit more striking, just a

1645
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:51,880
Speaker 1: little bit more damage. But I could see this being

1646
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:54,040
Speaker 1: a bit of a stalemate coming into that third round

1647
01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:56,360
Speaker 1: and one big shot making the difference, and I think

1648
01:12:56,479 --> 01:12:59,200
Speaker 1: MVP will be the more accurate guy, take less damage.

1649
01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:02,680
Speaker 1: M welter, But next Carlos Pratis and Jeff Neil two

1650
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:06,720
Speaker 1: just scrappers, dude, two guys that are really gonna go

1651
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:08,680
Speaker 1: for it. I hope in this fight you look at

1652
01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:11,400
Speaker 1: their shots landed per minute. Jeff Neil his output a

1653
01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:14,759
Speaker 1: little bit higher, but he also absorbs more permittent Carlos

1654
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:17,919
Speaker 1: Protest when he's not out here chain smoking and destroying

1655
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:20,200
Speaker 1: his lungs. He is a wizard on the feet, obviously

1656
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:22,479
Speaker 1: tattooed muay Thai on his chest for a reason. The

1657
01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:25,479
Speaker 1: guy is a high level striker. So again you're looking

1658
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:27,600
Speaker 1: at another fight that I think is super close. But

1659
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:30,680
Speaker 1: I just think Carlos Protest for whatever reason. Maybe it's

1660
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:33,680
Speaker 1: his reach, maybe it's the way I've watched him fight,

1661
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:35,720
Speaker 1: the way I watched him fight Ian Gary, after being

1662
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:38,280
Speaker 1: controlled in that fight for a long periods, still having

1663
01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:41,439
Speaker 1: the ability to potentially knock you out at any point.

1664
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:43,160
Speaker 1: Jeff Neil has been in there with some of the

1665
01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:45,400
Speaker 1: toughest guys at Welter Way. But I'm gonna lean Carlos

1666
01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:47,639
Speaker 1: Protess here. I do I think he ends up getting

1667
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:49,760
Speaker 1: this done? Yeah? I mean you even look at their

1668
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:53,080
Speaker 1: takedowns and takedown defense. These guys are not going to

1669
01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:54,880
Speaker 1: go to the ground at least, you wouldn't expect them

1670
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:57,479
Speaker 1: to end up in many grappling exchanges outside of some

1671
01:13:57,560 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 1: clinch work and you know, reseeparating from there and getting

1672
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:04,120
Speaker 1: back to the striking. I'm gonna go protest. Both guys

1673
01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:06,599
Speaker 1: are getting knocked downs in each fight they're in. Prontess

1674
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:09,760
Speaker 1: has two per fight average. I can see protests stopping him. Yeah,

1675
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:12,280
Speaker 1: I can see that. Let's go protest by stoppage and

1676
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 1: we get to the co main event. And oh, I

1677
01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:17,799
Speaker 1: am excited about this. I have put all my eggs

1678
01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:21,200
Speaker 1: in the basket of Aaron Pico making his debut in

1679
01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:23,960
Speaker 1: the UFC. I love this kid, I really do. And listen,

1680
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:27,760
Speaker 1: Royan Murphy is a high level prospect making his way

1681
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:29,680
Speaker 1: through the rankings in his own right. Number six in

1682
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:31,920
Speaker 1: the world at featherweight. Just come off a five round

1683
01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:34,400
Speaker 1: decision where he pretty much beat the shit out of

1684
01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:37,280
Speaker 1: Josh Emmitt and dominated that fight. But I'm telling you

1685
01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:40,120
Speaker 1: right now, even the UFC don't even have Aaron Pico's

1686
01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:41,840
Speaker 1: debut picture up here. Man, they got him as a

1687
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:44,280
Speaker 1: blank slate. I know he's thirteen and four in MMA.

1688
01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:46,840
Speaker 1: I know he lost his debut. I know that Aaron

1689
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:49,479
Speaker 1: Pico is a belator guy and he's coming over and

1690
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:52,120
Speaker 1: bellatour guys haven't had a ton of success in the UFC,

1691
01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:54,679
Speaker 1: even though people love watching Michael vinam Paige and Michael

1692
01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:56,880
Speaker 1: Chandler and some other guys as well. But the point

1693
01:14:57,160 --> 01:15:00,639
Speaker 1: is this, I think could be the time we finally

1694
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:04,080
Speaker 1: see the prophecy come to life for Aaron Pico. If

1695
01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:06,160
Speaker 1: you guys don't know who Aaron Pico is, and you

1696
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:08,760
Speaker 1: know you just started watching MMA four or five years ago,

1697
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:11,920
Speaker 1: Aaron Pico back in twenty sixteen I think was the

1698
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:15,320
Speaker 1: time period, maybe even twenty fifteen, I'm not sure, was

1699
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:17,560
Speaker 1: supposed to be the next big prodigy at MMA. This

1700
01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:19,599
Speaker 1: kid was supposed to be the next coming of fight.

1701
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:22,000
Speaker 1: To put this on him, but Roger Huerta right, like

1702
01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:23,720
Speaker 1: if you don't know who that is, he was like

1703
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:26,280
Speaker 1: the first MMA fighter on Sports Illustrated. But he was

1704
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:30,560
Speaker 1: supposed to be you know, John Jones reincarnated. He was

1705
01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:35,360
Speaker 1: leading the idea that MMA was practiced as a complete

1706
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:39,160
Speaker 1: martial art versus being a specialist coming into MMA like

1707
01:15:39,240 --> 01:15:42,000
Speaker 1: Aaron Pico had already think he was seventeen years old

1708
01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:44,759
Speaker 1: and one match away from qualifying for the USA Wrestling

1709
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:47,600
Speaker 1: Olympic Wrestling team. He was a gold gloves boxer and

1710
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:50,560
Speaker 1: he was mixing the martial arts when he made his

1711
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:52,920
Speaker 1: pro debut, and then everything kind of went left for

1712
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:55,400
Speaker 1: a while. He lost his first fight, got knocked out,

1713
01:15:55,439 --> 01:15:57,479
Speaker 1: and I think his fifth or sixth fight, lost a

1714
01:15:57,520 --> 01:16:00,800
Speaker 1: couple more times, and you thought, Okay, maybe the hype

1715
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:04,000
Speaker 1: train's over for Aaron Pico. But after that, quietly Aaron

1716
01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:07,919
Speaker 1: Pico has gotten better and better and better in Bellator.

1717
01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:09,920
Speaker 1: I get it. Competition is not the same as it

1718
01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:12,679
Speaker 1: is in the UFC, clearly, but you watch his style.

1719
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:17,040
Speaker 1: He's not a big time kicker. It is mostly offensive boxing, bodywork,

1720
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:19,400
Speaker 1: hooks to the body. He's knocked out some guys with

1721
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:22,200
Speaker 1: nasty lead hooks to the body and upstairs, and then

1722
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:25,240
Speaker 1: clinch work and grappling. He's got good knees in the clinch.

1723
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:27,080
Speaker 1: The only problems with Aaron Picco is that he does

1724
01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:29,480
Speaker 1: drop his hands and wants to get into some firefights

1725
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:32,400
Speaker 1: sometimes in the clinch and gets caught there and clipped.

1726
01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:34,479
Speaker 1: He's been knocked out doing that a couple times, but

1727
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:36,920
Speaker 1: it seems like he's shrewed that up he's implemented his

1728
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:39,240
Speaker 1: wrestling more into his game when he was a youngster.

1729
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:40,880
Speaker 1: You know, I think he's twenty eight now, but when

1730
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:42,839
Speaker 1: he came into MMA as a pro, he was eighteen.

1731
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:45,160
Speaker 1: He was looking to knock people out with his hands.

1732
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:49,400
Speaker 1: Wasn't utilizing his almost Olympic level wrestling. At seventeen years old,

1733
01:16:49,640 --> 01:16:51,559
Speaker 1: you knew he was bound for the Olympics, he wasn't

1734
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:54,439
Speaker 1: utilizing it, and now he is so larent Murphy taking

1735
01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:57,439
Speaker 1: this against Pico. That was a big time shout for

1736
01:16:57,520 --> 01:16:59,519
Speaker 1: him too, because he didn't need to fight an unranked

1737
01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:02,680
Speaker 1: guy his debut coming into the UFC from Bellator as

1738
01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:05,720
Speaker 1: the number six featherweight in the world, so this will

1739
01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:08,439
Speaker 1: be an interesting fight. Murphy doesn't really impress with his power,

1740
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:10,840
Speaker 1: at least not to the degree Aaron Pico does, but

1741
01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:13,040
Speaker 1: he's able to control fights and that's got him to

1742
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:15,920
Speaker 1: this number six spot. Pico very flashy at times, has

1743
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:18,519
Speaker 1: some big time knockouts, has some big time finishes, but

1744
01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:21,280
Speaker 1: can he sustain at this level?

1745
01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:21,559
Speaker 2: Right?

1746
01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:24,240
Speaker 1: This is, like I said, the big boy leagues, So

1747
01:17:24,360 --> 01:17:27,639
Speaker 1: we'll see purely off bias alone. I'm taking Aaron Pico,

1748
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:29,559
Speaker 1: but it's a lot to ask it really is. It's

1749
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:31,000
Speaker 1: a lot to ask for Aeron Pico to come in

1750
01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:32,720
Speaker 1: and face the number six kind in the world and

1751
01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:35,960
Speaker 1: you know, and swim with the sharks here, because Lono

1752
01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:38,479
Speaker 1: Murphy certainly is that, especially over his last couple of

1753
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:42,559
Speaker 1: wins Josh Emmett Eds and Barboza Danige. He's got all

1754
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:44,800
Speaker 1: those and he's sixteen and hero. So this is a

1755
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:47,360
Speaker 1: big time step up. I'm gonna say Aaron Pico again

1756
01:17:47,439 --> 01:17:50,479
Speaker 1: pure bias, because the matchup itself is pretty interesting. For

1757
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:52,800
Speaker 1: the way Loaro Murphy fights, he could be a bit

1758
01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:54,840
Speaker 1: of an issue for Pico if he keeps this thing

1759
01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:57,639
Speaker 1: at distance and kind of frustrates Pico because he can't

1760
01:17:57,640 --> 01:17:59,880
Speaker 1: get to him with his hands or he's not able

1761
01:17:59,880 --> 01:18:01,599
Speaker 1: to to grapple with him. But I do think Pico

1762
01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:05,679
Speaker 1: grapples him. Maybe a submission on the table here for Pico,

1763
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:07,720
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I'm gonna say he gets it

1764
01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:10,760
Speaker 1: done by some sort of stoppage because I think he

1765
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:12,920
Speaker 1: needs that. I think Aaron Pico needs to arrive in

1766
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:16,120
Speaker 1: the UFC, on the main stage of MMA with a

1767
01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:18,120
Speaker 1: big time statement, and I hope he does that in

1768
01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:21,760
Speaker 1: the Comain. Then we get to the main events of

1769
01:18:22,160 --> 01:18:25,920
Speaker 1: the evening, and this one has take your pick written

1770
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:28,280
Speaker 1: all over it. Right, I have looked at it and

1771
01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:31,479
Speaker 1: looked at it, and I can see multiple avenues for

1772
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:34,519
Speaker 1: both guys. But realistically you come down to two choices,

1773
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:36,679
Speaker 1: at least in my opinion. Number one, it's an early

1774
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:37,720
Speaker 1: versus late fight.

1775
01:18:38,040 --> 01:18:38,439
Speaker 2: Early on.

1776
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:44,400
Speaker 1: Hamzat Chimaiah very dangerous, a very very unique and talented

1777
01:18:44,479 --> 01:18:48,200
Speaker 1: grappler that doesn't do things other guys do as far

1778
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:50,960
Speaker 1: as how he enters grappling, how he holds you down,

1779
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:54,320
Speaker 1: how he continues to attack, how he systematically breaks you

1780
01:18:54,439 --> 01:18:56,360
Speaker 1: down once he has a hold of you and puts

1781
01:18:56,439 --> 01:18:58,600
Speaker 1: you on the fence. When you watch him shoot at

1782
01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:02,559
Speaker 1: guy's legs, he doesn't really do it from conventional spots. Right,

1783
01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:06,400
Speaker 1: whether it's underneath a rider, left hand and he ducks

1784
01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:08,880
Speaker 1: under and gets your waist, he is attacking almost like

1785
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:10,880
Speaker 1: not in the same way, but kind of in the

1786
01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:14,000
Speaker 1: same way Habib used to attack, diving at your legs

1787
01:19:14,040 --> 01:19:17,360
Speaker 1: from long range. Right, it's something that he'll shoot from

1788
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:21,040
Speaker 1: what looks like five yards away, like he's not even

1789
01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:22,920
Speaker 1: close to touching you with a right hand or a

1790
01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:25,360
Speaker 1: jab or a kick. And here he goes diving at

1791
01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:27,080
Speaker 1: your ankle or diving at your knee, and if he

1792
01:19:27,160 --> 01:19:29,120
Speaker 1: gets a hold of it and he works his way up,

1793
01:19:29,200 --> 01:19:31,599
Speaker 1: then it's almost Gigi's from there. So that's I would

1794
01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:35,760
Speaker 1: say what everybody understands is the most likely scenario for

1795
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:39,920
Speaker 1: Hamza to overwhelm driccis with his grappling early. And I'm

1796
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:41,760
Speaker 1: not saying he has to land the first takedown, but

1797
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:44,320
Speaker 1: if you watch him in the Robert Whittaker fight, he

1798
01:19:44,439 --> 01:19:46,720
Speaker 1: came out south pond, did a lot of fainting, did

1799
01:19:46,760 --> 01:19:48,640
Speaker 1: a lot of you know, stuff with his legs and

1800
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:51,759
Speaker 1: his feet to try to get Robert Whitaker to settle

1801
01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:54,080
Speaker 1: down a bit, or just to use that to pressure

1802
01:19:54,120 --> 01:19:56,320
Speaker 1: Whittaker against the cage, and then from there shot at

1803
01:19:56,360 --> 01:19:59,200
Speaker 1: the legs, got it, broke the jar or whatever happened there.

1804
01:19:59,240 --> 01:19:59,560
Speaker 3: We all know.

1805
01:20:00,240 --> 01:20:02,000
Speaker 1: I don't know if that is going to be the

1806
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:05,720
Speaker 1: case because drickis dupless, has such a will to win

1807
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:07,920
Speaker 1: that even when he's in bad positions, even when he's

1808
01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:11,200
Speaker 1: being outstruck. Darren till Is re a lot of sognia

1809
01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:13,439
Speaker 1: or when things are not going his way and he

1810
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:17,280
Speaker 1: needs to create a moment, He's a great scrambler. He's unorthodox,

1811
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:20,000
Speaker 1: he's a bit awkward, and he just finds ways out

1812
01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:22,360
Speaker 1: of bad spots and turns them into really good ones

1813
01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:24,519
Speaker 1: for him. I mean, even in the Robert Whittaker fight,

1814
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:28,080
Speaker 1: that fight goes from Robert Whittaker having you know, a

1815
01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:30,120
Speaker 1: good amount of success at least for a bit there,

1816
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:33,320
Speaker 1: to just Drick is running him over out of almost nowhere.

1817
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:35,439
Speaker 1: It's like, what the the Darren Till fight before the

1818
01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:38,920
Speaker 1: Deviated Septim got fixed. He's on the feet getting pieced

1819
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:41,400
Speaker 1: up by Darren Till, who's no longer even in the UFC,

1820
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:43,920
Speaker 1: even though he'll be fighting on Misfits August thirtieth, I'll

1821
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:45,120
Speaker 1: be there, make sure you tune in. But then he

1822
01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:47,880
Speaker 1: outgrapples Darren Hill and then figures out how to beat him. Jokes,

1823
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:49,360
Speaker 1: and it's just like he has a will to win.

1824
01:20:49,439 --> 01:20:49,960
Speaker 2: What did he say?

1825
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:52,240
Speaker 1: You know, I'm willing to die in there, but more importantly,

1826
01:20:52,280 --> 01:20:53,720
Speaker 1: I'm willing to kill a man. And I know that

1827
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:56,080
Speaker 1: sounds super morbid, but the case of Drick is dupless.

1828
01:20:56,120 --> 01:20:57,960
Speaker 1: He is kind of true. He fights like that, like

1829
01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:00,840
Speaker 1: every last breath is dedicated to winning. Oh situation is

1830
01:21:01,320 --> 01:21:04,760
Speaker 1: without hope. Now again, if Hamzak gets that freaking arm

1831
01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:06,960
Speaker 1: under his chin it starts to squeeze, it may not

1832
01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:09,400
Speaker 1: mean shit what I'm saying right now, Like Hamza has

1833
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:13,240
Speaker 1: a different level of strength and size, apparently according to Twitter,

1834
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:15,559
Speaker 1: because today they had a little face off that we're

1835
01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:17,639
Speaker 1: gonna take a look at. This is the first interaction

1836
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:22,840
Speaker 1: apparently they've had during fight week. A little handshake. Yeah,

1837
01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:32,960
Speaker 1: and that was it. Now, if you watch this on Twitter,

1838
01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:36,839
Speaker 1: the MMA experts will tell you that both guys mogged

1839
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:38,439
Speaker 1: each other, which I think I'm a little too old

1840
01:21:38,479 --> 01:21:41,960
Speaker 1: to understand. That Hamzat was fidgety, that Drickis was fidgety

1841
01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:46,360
Speaker 1: and he emasculated Drikis, That Dricis humiliated Hamzat by tapping

1842
01:21:46,439 --> 01:21:48,400
Speaker 1: him on the shoulder and sunning him. In other words,

1843
01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:51,720
Speaker 1: none of that shit means anything. Yeah, you can take

1844
01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:54,160
Speaker 1: away from this if you wanted to post a screenshot,

1845
01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:56,479
Speaker 1: that Hamzai is tall, right, he is. He's about I

1846
01:21:56,560 --> 01:21:58,479
Speaker 1: think six three sixty four. He's a tall guy. And

1847
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:01,160
Speaker 1: for that height and at this rate, he's very strong.

1848
01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:04,400
Speaker 1: He's not you know, I'm body building, just super jacked

1849
01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:07,280
Speaker 1: up monster like that. But he is strong in all

1850
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:09,559
Speaker 1: the right areas. He's got great grip strength, his legs

1851
01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:12,479
Speaker 1: are super strong, and he's explosive and for a tall

1852
01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:15,120
Speaker 1: guy when he does shoot across the cage like he

1853
01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:18,160
Speaker 1: does on seemingly everyone after the Gilbert Burns fight, which

1854
01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:20,840
Speaker 1: will come back to, that's a massive advantage having his height,

1855
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:22,800
Speaker 1: being able to you know, his reach, being able to

1856
01:22:22,840 --> 01:22:24,200
Speaker 1: get to your legs and work his way up.

1857
01:22:24,200 --> 01:22:24,320
Speaker 2: You know.

1858
01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:26,320
Speaker 1: Drakes, on the other hand, is tall on his own right,

1859
01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:28,920
Speaker 1: you know, but he's not the most towering figure at middleweight,

1860
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:30,880
Speaker 1: but he doesn't have to be to do what he

1861
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:33,800
Speaker 1: does to people. Israel aasign you towered over drickis too.

1862
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:35,880
Speaker 1: And again Drack has found a way to beat him

1863
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:37,360
Speaker 1: and had to reach on him in the striking, and

1864
01:22:37,439 --> 01:22:39,360
Speaker 1: Drick has found a way to beat him. So that

1865
01:22:39,479 --> 01:22:41,280
Speaker 1: stuff doesn't really matter to me. You'll get the body

1866
01:22:41,360 --> 01:22:43,960
Speaker 1: leguage experts and everybody else talking about what matters and

1867
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:46,840
Speaker 1: people looking into it, but that that's complete bullshit. What

1868
01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:50,280
Speaker 1: isn't bullshit is the idea that Hamzak can be beat

1869
01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:52,280
Speaker 1: I think right now because he's fourteen to hero, because

1870
01:22:52,280 --> 01:22:55,720
Speaker 1: he's pretty much steamrolled everyone, there's an aura of invincibility

1871
01:22:56,120 --> 01:22:58,160
Speaker 1: around Hamzad, But it seems people have a lot of

1872
01:22:58,200 --> 01:23:01,639
Speaker 1: short memory because we did just watch him arguably lose

1873
01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:04,080
Speaker 1: to Kamaro Ousman in their fight, or at least have

1874
01:23:04,160 --> 01:23:06,759
Speaker 1: a draw in their fight. You could argue that Gilbert

1875
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:09,080
Speaker 1: Burns while Gilbert Burns that may out of beaten him,

1876
01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:11,400
Speaker 1: or maybe you thought that Gilbert Burns did. He put

1877
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:15,160
Speaker 1: hands on Hamzat Chamaia then made Hamzat rethink about standing

1878
01:23:15,200 --> 01:23:19,519
Speaker 1: there and striking with even the gatekeeping level of striking

1879
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:22,880
Speaker 1: ability at welterweight, let alone middleway. So right, you've seen

1880
01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:26,040
Speaker 1: where some weaknesses have been exposed from Hamzat Chamaya being

1881
01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:28,040
Speaker 1: able to go strike for strike with Gilbert Burns. We

1882
01:23:28,120 --> 01:23:30,320
Speaker 1: have a high level kickboxer. As much as y'all want

1883
01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:33,240
Speaker 1: to say, drikis is just throw and pray, he is.

1884
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:36,400
Speaker 1: It might be awkward, but it works and he is

1885
01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:38,720
Speaker 1: a high level kickboxer. He knows what he's doing in there.

1886
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:40,879
Speaker 1: It is unorthodox and I don't know how much Hamzak

1887
01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:43,240
Speaker 1: can train for it. And listen, I know Hamzat was

1888
01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:45,599
Speaker 1: in Orange County training. He was right there at Jackson Jim.

1889
01:23:45,680 --> 01:23:47,360
Speaker 1: He was up in La doing his thing. I know

1890
01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:49,639
Speaker 1: Arman was out there with him, Aaron Pico was out

1891
01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:51,280
Speaker 1: there with him, and they were getting work done. So

1892
01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:53,760
Speaker 1: I don't doubt that Hamzat will be ready at all.

1893
01:23:53,800 --> 01:23:55,719
Speaker 1: I don't doubt that his conditioning is in good shape.

1894
01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:59,160
Speaker 1: But Stricks got that freaking sceptum fixed. I've watched him

1895
01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:03,360
Speaker 1: become an almost unstoppable machine of cardio or nothing seems

1896
01:24:03,479 --> 01:24:06,360
Speaker 1: to really break him. Where Hamzad I've seen get tired

1897
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:09,000
Speaker 1: when he gets into later parts of fights and the

1898
01:24:09,080 --> 01:24:11,919
Speaker 1: striking's not as effective and the grapplings not as effective,

1899
01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:14,760
Speaker 1: and he's standing there taking punches and not necessarily as

1900
01:24:15,439 --> 01:24:18,280
Speaker 1: explosive and active and looking for those takedowns like he

1901
01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:20,800
Speaker 1: was earlier. And I'm mainly talking about the Gilbert Burns fight,

1902
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:23,040
Speaker 1: but you know kamara Usman as well. He slowed down

1903
01:24:23,080 --> 01:24:25,479
Speaker 1: a little bit so over five rounds. This is why

1904
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:28,200
Speaker 1: I said, one of two things happens Hamzad early with

1905
01:24:28,280 --> 01:24:31,599
Speaker 1: his grappling, or Drickis wears him down and takes over

1906
01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:35,439
Speaker 1: late in this fight. And I don't know. I don't

1907
01:24:35,479 --> 01:24:37,880
Speaker 1: know because Hamzad is so strong. And this is where

1908
01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:41,200
Speaker 1: I think a little bit of the conversation changes. If

1909
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:44,600
Speaker 1: Hamzad isn't able to stop Drikis early and Drickus is

1910
01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:47,760
Speaker 1: able to keep that pressure mounting, and Hamzad starts to

1911
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:49,920
Speaker 1: gas a little bit, and again he's kind of floated

1912
01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:52,040
Speaker 1: between weights, and he's had the sickness and he's been

1913
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:54,560
Speaker 1: out for long periods and all that. This may be

1914
01:24:54,840 --> 01:24:56,960
Speaker 1: the point where all that catches up to him in

1915
01:24:57,040 --> 01:24:59,080
Speaker 1: a fight where it's not three rounds and in that

1916
01:24:59,160 --> 01:25:01,240
Speaker 1: third round he can just let the gas tank flow

1917
01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:02,760
Speaker 1: and hope for the best. He's got to go the

1918
01:25:02,840 --> 01:25:04,680
Speaker 1: full five and take the belt off the cham. I

1919
01:25:04,680 --> 01:25:06,200
Speaker 1: think this is gonna be that moment where it finally

1920
01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:09,040
Speaker 1: catches up to hamza not because he's not trained well,

1921
01:25:09,080 --> 01:25:11,880
Speaker 1: he's not conditioned well, but because the style in which

1922
01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:16,160
Speaker 1: he fights is so explosive, so early on and so offensive,

1923
01:25:16,400 --> 01:25:20,080
Speaker 1: control grapple heavy that their arms eventually are going to

1924
01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:22,920
Speaker 1: get tired. Unless your name's Morab Debolish Philly, and then

1925
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:25,040
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're on. But maybe maybe Hamzad's

1926
01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:27,040
Speaker 1: cut from the same cloth. We just haven't seen it yet.

1927
01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:28,400
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of we don't know what we

1928
01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:30,840
Speaker 1: don't know. That's the biggest problem here. So when it

1929
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:32,519
Speaker 1: comes down to it. Like I said, I think it's

1930
01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:34,599
Speaker 1: a it's a two way street that we're looking at

1931
01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:37,000
Speaker 1: it for this fight. I think hamzat very dangerous early.

1932
01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:39,479
Speaker 1: I think he starts to fade a little later. Drikis

1933
01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:41,360
Speaker 1: if he can weather the storm early, and trust me,

1934
01:25:41,479 --> 01:25:44,840
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a freaking thunderstorm, hail storm. It's gonna

1935
01:25:44,840 --> 01:25:47,760
Speaker 1: be a fucking hurricane. When Hamza walks through that first round.

1936
01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:50,120
Speaker 1: He may be a little patient and feigning to start out,

1937
01:25:50,160 --> 01:25:52,520
Speaker 1: but as soon as that first shot comes out, Amsod's

1938
01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:55,760
Speaker 1: gonna go balls to the fucking wall. So Drickis's mentality

1939
01:25:55,840 --> 01:25:58,559
Speaker 1: in the way he is just cut down champion after

1940
01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:02,840
Speaker 1: champion after champion makes me want to lean Drickis DUPLESSI

1941
01:26:03,080 --> 01:26:05,760
Speaker 1: and still because what I thought would give Drickis real

1942
01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:08,720
Speaker 1: problems would be a taller guy that could strike from

1943
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:11,240
Speaker 1: the outside and pick him apart. And Is he did

1944
01:26:11,320 --> 01:26:13,360
Speaker 1: give him those problems. I think is he was probably

1945
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:16,439
Speaker 1: up in their fight before. Again, drick has just found

1946
01:26:16,479 --> 01:26:18,560
Speaker 1: a way to scramble and jumped on top of it

1947
01:26:18,680 --> 01:26:20,439
Speaker 1: is he and choked him. I just I think that

1948
01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:23,679
Speaker 1: is probably the best way to handle Drickis now again,

1949
01:26:24,200 --> 01:26:26,920
Speaker 1: does Drickus have the same grappling as am Juds and

1950
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:28,560
Speaker 1: I have? Non? But he doesn't have to. He just

1951
01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:30,320
Speaker 1: has to have enough to defend himself and get back

1952
01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:31,880
Speaker 1: to his feet. And that may mean time and time

1953
01:26:31,960 --> 01:26:34,160
Speaker 1: again early on. But if he can weather that storm,

1954
01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:36,240
Speaker 1: I think he has a really good chance. The problem

1955
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:38,840
Speaker 1: is I could be saying all this and Hamzak could

1956
01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:40,840
Speaker 1: go out there, shoot once, take him down, get the

1957
01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:43,479
Speaker 1: arm under the neck, neck crank or rear naked choke,

1958
01:26:43,560 --> 01:26:46,559
Speaker 1: and it's over like that, and it's just like, well, okay,

1959
01:26:46,720 --> 01:26:49,760
Speaker 1: never mind, none of this shit mattered. So ah, it's

1960
01:26:49,880 --> 01:26:52,960
Speaker 1: just hard for me to go Hamza's just gonna do

1961
01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:56,879
Speaker 1: what he's done to twelve other guys to Drickis DUPLESSI

1962
01:26:56,960 --> 01:26:58,599
Speaker 1: it's very hard for me to see that, not because

1963
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:01,519
Speaker 1: it's not a reality of what happened, but because certainly,

1964
01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:03,920
Speaker 1: as you step up in competition, you can't just make

1965
01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:06,519
Speaker 1: it look that easy, right, Like, you can't just continue

1966
01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:09,120
Speaker 1: making it look that easy. I know Robert Whitaker that one.

1967
01:27:09,439 --> 01:27:11,720
Speaker 1: I don't even know if like that was Hamzad or

1968
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:14,120
Speaker 1: it was Robert and his whole jaw came apart. I

1969
01:27:14,160 --> 01:27:15,920
Speaker 1: don't know that was freaky, and if something like that

1970
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:20,240
Speaker 1: happens again, I'll never doubt Hamsut Jamaiah's grappling strength or

1971
01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:23,040
Speaker 1: anything like that. He could maybe just habibe his way

1972
01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:25,400
Speaker 1: through one eighty five, one seventy and two oh five

1973
01:27:25,439 --> 01:27:27,479
Speaker 1: if he wants to, if we're talking about that level

1974
01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:29,080
Speaker 1: of freak. But I'm going to err on the side

1975
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:31,720
Speaker 1: of caution here and say that's not the only thing

1976
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:33,720
Speaker 1: that this fight's gonna be. I think it's gonna go

1977
01:27:33,720 --> 01:27:35,360
Speaker 1: a little longer to that. And because of that, I

1978
01:27:35,400 --> 01:27:40,280
Speaker 1: think Drikis du plus can and will and still win

1979
01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:42,479
Speaker 1: this fight. I don't know if it'll be a decision.

1980
01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:45,360
Speaker 1: I don't know if eventually Hamza gets tired and Dricus

1981
01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:48,519
Speaker 1: goes on offense and looks for TKO strikes or whatever

1982
01:27:48,600 --> 01:27:50,360
Speaker 1: it is. But I think Drickis is going to turn

1983
01:27:50,439 --> 01:27:53,040
Speaker 1: the tide on Hamsa Chamayah. I mean, I'm probably wrong

1984
01:27:53,080 --> 01:27:55,599
Speaker 1: on that, and I'll probably get flamed by the MMA community,

1985
01:27:55,680 --> 01:27:58,840
Speaker 1: but I just think Drakis's mentality way trains. I don't

1986
01:27:58,840 --> 01:28:01,680
Speaker 1: think it's as easy this time for Hamzad is just

1987
01:28:01,720 --> 01:28:05,360
Speaker 1: walking in, taking him down, choking him, or you know,

1988
01:28:05,400 --> 01:28:07,000
Speaker 1: ground and pound whatever, And if he does want to

1989
01:28:07,040 --> 01:28:08,880
Speaker 1: stand and strike with Driggist, then I think that that

1990
01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:11,439
Speaker 1: could be a potential issue as well, but hey, who knows.

1991
01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:13,920
Speaker 1: And the casual concept over here, when we make picks,

1992
01:28:13,960 --> 01:28:15,960
Speaker 1: they usually go the other way. So if you're gonna

1993
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:19,000
Speaker 1: play on draft kings, make sure you guys do so responsively.

1994
01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:22,759
Speaker 1: But that's UFC. At three nineteen, my breakdown what happens

1995
01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:26,280
Speaker 1: in the United Center in Chicago between the Champ triggers,

1996
01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:28,679
Speaker 1: TU plus C and hamzaich Am, I what happens on Saturday.

1997
01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:31,760
Speaker 1: Don't have those answers, but I guess we'll find out