1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:04,560 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast, and this is Fast Politics. Well, 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: we discussed the top political headlines with some of today's 3 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: best minds, and Tulci Gabbard is auditioning for Fox News. 4 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: What a great show we have today. First, we're gonna 5 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: be joined by Congressman Eric Swalwell and he's gonna tell 6 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: us all about how the Democrats win the mid terms 7 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:22,080 Speaker 1: as well as if Donald Trump will go to jail. 8 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: Then we're gonna talk to Hillsborough County, Florida's state Attorney 9 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: Andrew Warren about his recent dust up that got him 10 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: suspended during one of the Governor de Santiss culture wars. 11 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: But first we have the host of m K T 12 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: Call on the tape podcast Okay computer podcast and it 13 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: contributed to CNBC Fast Money, Dan Nathan. Welcome to Fast Politics, 14 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 1: Dan Nathan, Molly John Fast. I mean, come on, murderous, 15 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: murderous row of guests over the last couple of weeks 16 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: in your new podcast here and I make the cut. 17 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: I really feel very very special in here. Well, I 18 00:00:57,800 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: was saying we have to have Dan Nathan on because 19 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: I was like, what the hell is going on? It 20 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: was like every day when I was watched the public 21 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 1: markets creator and also there's so many stories about the 22 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: economy going on right now, and many of them conflict 23 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: with each other. Can you start by giving us like 24 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: a quick top line of what you're seeing. Yeah, no 25 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: doubt about it. And I think you and I've talked 26 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: about this in the past before. I think a lot 27 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: of the things that kind of think about as it 28 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: relates to the economy and as it relates to their 29 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: investments in the stock market are two very different things, 30 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: and they're obviously very tied to each other, right, But 31 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: I think over the last couple of years, I think 32 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:41,040 Speaker 1: all of us got very familiar with economic sort of issues, 33 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: right as it related to the pandemic and all the 34 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: stimulus that kept the economy afloat. And what did that 35 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: do It It kind of inflated the price of assets, 36 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: right because interest rates went really low and money was 37 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: really easy, and you know, anything that wasn't bolted down 38 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: as far as that was investable went up. Well, here 39 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: we are, we're the other side of that right now. 40 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: And you know, inflation is something that the FED was 41 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: really trying to get higher pre pandemic. They wanted to 42 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: get it above two percent they're really worried about the 43 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: idea that technology is this massive deflationary force. Right. And 44 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 1: then after the pandemic, after trillions of dollars of monetary 45 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: and fiscal stimulus, I mean, just things went haywire, and 46 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: prices and all sorts of goods and services just went 47 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: a lot higher. And then when we had the war 48 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: in Ukraine, when when Russia invaded Ukraine, it caused tremendous 49 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,839 Speaker 1: dislocation as far as energy supplies. And then on top 50 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 1: of all these kind of broken supply chain issues that 51 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: we had from the pandemic. And then obviously, you know, 52 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: two and a half years into the pandemic, you know, 53 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: China is still locking down. So inflation, inflation, inflation, this 54 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: is the thing that our central bank about a year 55 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 1: ago decided they have to combat because it got to 56 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 1: high single digit percentages and those are levels we have 57 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,679 Speaker 1: not seen since the early eighties. Now tying it into 58 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 1: the stock market, well, the stock market a huge run. 59 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: I want to stop you for one second, uh, inflation. 60 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: So we're seeing inflation going up, and that's caused by 61 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: the money from the stimulus, the increase in gas prices 62 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: and the increase in wheat prices from the Russia invasion 63 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: of Ukraine. Yeah, but more importantly here in the US, 64 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,119 Speaker 1: you know, some of the issues that we had when 65 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: we started thinking as energy as a point of national 66 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: security or supply chains as a point of natural security. 67 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: The whole idea of deglobalization is going to put upward 68 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: pressure on wages here in the US as we reach 69 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: shore a lot of jobs. So that's also part of it. 70 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: And when you think about you know, we we, you 71 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: and I have talked about this this huge gap right 72 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: between you know, those who have and those you know 73 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: on the bottom side of the spectrum. This this income 74 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 1: inequality gap has just been widening and widening. It does 75 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: it in periods of um, you know, easy money or 76 00:03:57,760 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: so and so all of a a sudden though, we have 77 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: low end workers, okay, who are getting increases in wages 78 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: and they're really not keeping up with inflation right now. 79 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: But that is actually a real pressure point for a 80 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: lot of US corporations right now because they've actually had 81 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 1: the benefit of really cheap overseas labor or overseas or 82 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: labor here in the US that's been really benefited by immigration. 83 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: And we also have a huge immigration problems so what 84 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: you're saying there, I just want to like slow it down, 85 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 1: and and for our for listeners is that actually this 86 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: inflation ended up pushing up the wages of the sort 87 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: of the kind of like working people wages, and so 88 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 1: that actually was good, but it also made inflation worse. 89 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: It made inflation words, and it also doesn't really do 90 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: a lot for those low end workers who are now 91 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 1: dealing with gas at the pump that's near four dollars. Right. 92 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:54,919 Speaker 1: It's one thing to get a two dollar or a 93 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: three dollar an hour raise, but if on average, to 94 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 1: cost to get to your job has increased ramatically, the 95 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 1: cost of food has increased dramatically. I mean, these are 96 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 1: sorts of things they're just kind of maybe balancing themselves out. 97 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: So you know, again, I think when you think about 98 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:11,799 Speaker 1: what the Federal Reserve is trying to do by raising 99 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: interest rates as fast as they have over the last 100 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 1: six months or so, which is just, you know, the 101 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:19,919 Speaker 1: fastest in which they've raised three percentage points on the 102 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: Fed funds since the early eighties, Okay, they're trying to 103 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: kind of tamp down these prices and get them back 104 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 1: into the mid single digits. As far as inflationary readings 105 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: right now. And but they also need to do really sadly, 106 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: one of the big I guess goals of this whole 107 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: process is to actually have that unemployment rate go up 108 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 1: a bit, because the only way to kind of tamp 109 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: down demand is actually have higher unemployment. So this is 110 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 1: actually the real conundrum with this whole situation, right because 111 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: that makes labor cheaper if you have more unemployed people. Yes, 112 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: and and so I mean basically employers have more leverage, 113 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 1: which is one of the reasons why you know, we 114 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: we know that we've had so many issues as far 115 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: as low income wage earners over the last couple of 116 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: decades because they just have had actually no leverage. So 117 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: now what happens, well, I think there is a scenario, 118 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: I mean, right now if you think about what's happened. 119 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: You know, the FED his rays interest rates. We've seen 120 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: a lot of these inflationary inputs. They've come down over 121 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: the last few months. You know, while gas at the 122 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: pump is still for that dollars, it's still down from 123 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 1: where it was the national average I think was about five. 124 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 1: You know, we're seeing lumber, we're seeing some food prices, 125 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 1: we're seeing shipping costs, all these things are coming down. 126 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:35,919 Speaker 1: So now the real question is is this tight monetary 127 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: policy gonna put the US economy in a recession? And 128 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: that's really one of the biggest kind of issues of 129 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 1: debate right now, and it's one of the reasons why 130 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:48,119 Speaker 1: the stock market is down about on the year because 131 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: I think a lot of investors are worried. Yes, while 132 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 1: they're anxious, because inflation for some businesses is good, for 133 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: others it's not. And if we just reach kind of 134 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: a peak margin period where company were making the highest 135 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: amount of money on the revenue that they were taking in, 136 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: now all of a sudden that some of these areas 137 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 1: of inflation are going to be sticky, like wages and 138 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: some of these other things, you know, they're not going 139 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: to be able to make the profits that they did. 140 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: And if profits are less, okay, stock valuations should be lower. 141 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: And that's what's happened in the stock market this year. 142 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: Can you explain to us what businesses do well in 143 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: an inflation, Well, it's kind of interesting. I mean, when 144 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: you think about companies that for the most part, who 145 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: have pricing power, right, so when you think about, um, 146 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: you know a company who has the ability to push 147 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:37,119 Speaker 1: through the cost of higher inflation to their customers, whether 148 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: they be consumers or whether they be enterprises. And there's 149 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: no shortages, but for the most part, most companies don't 150 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: don't do well in them. If you think of like 151 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: the auto industry. Remember we heard coming out of the 152 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 1: pandemic that there was just such short supply of new cars, 153 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: which is one of the reasons why use part prices 154 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: were going through the roof, and some instances you saw 155 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: use cars prices more than new cars because he didn't 156 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: have um At says to new cars, they didn't have 157 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: the parts, they didn't have the supply to right. That 158 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: was the chips, right, right, because the chips and everything 159 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: like that. Now we've gone to a situation where there's 160 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: big inventories of a lot of these things that a 161 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: lot of consumers were pining away for. But now that 162 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: we have, you know, a weaker economy, you know, there's 163 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: probably less demand for some of these products. And so 164 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: I guess the point I would just make is that 165 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: the stock markets rolled over. The housing market was something 166 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: that the FED was also targeting. That's much softer right 167 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: now because of the raised interest rates, because money is 168 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: more expensive. Exactly. We see the thirty year mortgage above 169 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: seven percent for the first time in a very long time. 170 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: If you just do the math, that's more than double 171 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: from over a year ago. And if you think about 172 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: if you're gonna like think about buying a new home 173 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: right now, think about what the differential is year over 174 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,319 Speaker 1: year and the cost to do that, it's much higher. 175 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: Even though the cost of homes are down. And that's 176 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 1: also happening at time, it's causing it's causing rents to 177 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:57,839 Speaker 1: go higher. Right. So a large part of America's they 178 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: rent their homes, right, and so because this scarcity of 179 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: rental properties, So that's also you know, kind of a 180 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: byproduct of this inflation too. Just back to home prices 181 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: for a minute. Lower home prices may actually ultimately be good, 182 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: right because there were so many people who were priced 183 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: out of these housing markets. Yeah, there will be. I mean, 184 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: there's been this big demographic shift and we saw it 185 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: really take hold during the pandemic, where younger people were 186 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: interested in moving out of big cities and moving into 187 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: suburban areas and buying homes. And the fact of the 188 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: matter is, we just don't have enough supply for them, 189 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 1: so net net, even as the prices come in, there's 190 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: gonna be this weird supplied demand dynamic that's kind of 191 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: kind of linger for a while. And that is actually 192 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 1: one of the kind of knock on effects from the 193 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 1: financial crisis, which was rooted in the housing market. We 194 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: just don't have enough homes for the sort of demand 195 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: that we're gonna see outside the major cities. So there's 196 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: just a lot of things right here, you know, Molly, 197 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: I've been looking at the markets for twenty five years, 198 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: and I will tell you that the sort of cross 199 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: currents or the headwinds economic growth have never been higher 200 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: right now. That being said, you know, we are coming 201 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 1: off all time highs in the stock market, all time 202 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: highs in the housing market, all time highs in certain 203 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: wages as you kind of read them. So you know, 204 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 1: consumer balance sheets for now are in pretty good shape, 205 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: you know, coming out of the pandemic. So it doesn't 206 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 1: feel like we're about to go into a major crisis 207 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 1: like we had an oh eight or oh nine or 208 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 1: something even back to you know, O one oh two. 209 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: But I think the writings on the wall where it 210 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: could happen, we just don't kind of know right now. 211 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 1: But you also don't know you're in a recession until 212 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 1: we're already in it. Yeah, And I guess there's a 213 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: couple of ways to think about what a recession looks like. 214 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 1: The technical definition was two consecutive negative quarters of gross 215 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: domestic product, And so to most people listening to that, 216 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean anything, right, it just means kind of 217 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: like two consecutive chords of slower growth. What really happens 218 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: most people, most consumers feel like they're in a recession 219 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: when they lose their jobs or there's downward pressure on 220 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:00,199 Speaker 1: their wages. And then when the cost of doing things 221 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,439 Speaker 1: like we just talked about, whether it be buying a home, 222 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: running a home, filling your your your car with a 223 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: tang of gas, you know, when when that becomes difficult 224 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:10,959 Speaker 1: putting food on your table, that's when people feel like 225 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: they're in a recession. Now, I look at this through 226 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: the lens of the stock market, and most of the 227 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: time the stock market will discount a recession coming. And 228 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 1: so that's what it's starting to do right now. And really, 229 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 1: once you have all of these people are just perma bullish, 230 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: whether it be on the economy or the markets. When 231 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: they kind of throw in the towel and say I 232 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 1: was wrong and we're going to have a recession, and 233 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: they get really negative. That's usually when stock markets bottom, right, 234 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,559 Speaker 1: So you think the stock market is sometimes an indicator. 235 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: Stock market is this kind of discounting mechanism right now, 236 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: So if I think back to the last two times, 237 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: not including the early recession and bear market that we 238 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: had during the pandemic, because again let's just exclude that 239 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: because all the unusual activity and when you think about 240 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:59,719 Speaker 1: how much stimulus both monetary and fiscal stowing aut But 241 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: back to the financial crisis, the SMP five hundred, which 242 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: is the major you know, measure of stocks here in 243 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: the US, that declined fifty seven percent from its highs 244 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: in two thousand and seven November to its lows in 245 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: early March two thousand and nine. And then if you 246 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 1: go back to the post dot com crisis that we 247 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: had there and it wasn't really a crisis, it was 248 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: a recession, and there's a whole host of other things 249 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 1: with nine eleven, and there's a lot of corporate mouthfeasans 250 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 1: the SMP five hold hundreds sold off fifty percent. So 251 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 1: here we are right now, we're down twenty five percent. 252 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: It seems very likely that the US will be a 253 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 1: recession at some point in the next out of six 254 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: to nine to twelve months or so. Europe is probably 255 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:40,079 Speaker 1: already in a recession. China has been in a recession. 256 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,679 Speaker 1: So I guess the point is is like, if the 257 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: average stock market declined during recession has been about thirty 258 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: five percent over the last call it fifty years or so, 259 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: and the last two major ones we've been down more 260 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: than fifty percent, I'd say down twenty percent with a 261 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 1: very high likelihood of a recession in the next year. Okay, 262 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 1: the stock markets not done going down. This is the 263 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:06,319 Speaker 1: point that you see inflation in Europe, in England it 264 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: seems like it's probably the worst of anywhere in the world. 265 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: Political people on the right are very mad at Biden. 266 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: A bad inflation. Say Biden wasn't he just had one 267 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 1: focus was which was inflation. What could he do that 268 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: he's not doing well? Let's just say this. I mean, 269 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: they actually have been very proactive. So going back to November, 270 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,319 Speaker 1: you know when oil prices started to go up precipitously, 271 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 1: and again this is before Russia invaded Ukraine. They tapped 272 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 1: what they called the spr on the the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, 273 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: and that's a reserve that the US has um for 274 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: a whole host of reasons, of of gas oil that 275 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: they stockpiled. They did that in an effort to kind 276 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: of put some downward pressure on gas prices. You know, 277 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: he did something very controversial earlier this year. I guess 278 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:52,839 Speaker 1: in the summer he went over to see MBS and 279 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia. What did he do that He fist bumped 280 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:57,199 Speaker 1: and he got kind of spit in the eye afterwards, 281 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 1: and I think they recognized that was a huge mistake 282 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: for a whole host of reasons. Um And then obviously 283 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: the Inflation Reduction Act, that's something that they worked very 284 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 1: hard to do. Very debatable whether it actually anytime soon 285 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: will actually reduce inflation. But I guess the point is 286 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: they're being very proactive when I think about what the 287 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: messaging might be into the midterms. Okay, obviously he's not 288 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: on the ballot, but this is a huge issue. All 289 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: the polling that I've seen of late, you know, months 290 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: ago there was row and right now it's clearly inflation, right, 291 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: and so can they thread the needle by saying hey, listen, 292 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: we are battling inflation. This is not our fault, and 293 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: it really isn't. You can say that they know the 294 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: Federal Reserve was basically a little too overzealous for too 295 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: long on their easy money policy. But if you think 296 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: about the geopolitical issues that have actually been a huge 297 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: input to inflation, if they are able to say, hey, listen, 298 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: we're getting this under control. Look here, here, and here, 299 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: and the other thing it's really good is that we've 300 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: actually avoided seeing unemployment rate go up meaningfully anything. It's 301 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: gone down. It's back at three point five percent, which 302 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 1: was a forty year low, which is what we hit 303 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: right before the pandemic, before it went up to high 304 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: single digits or so. So that might be a really 305 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: good message for them to articulate. Um, and it's an 306 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: honest message, to be very frank, it's not one that 307 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: needs to be spun. So what do you do about 308 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: MBS right, because we're seeing opec is gonna cut production, 309 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: that's gonna raise oil prices again. I mean, there's clearly 310 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 1: a relationship between the Saudis and Jared. I mean, clearly 311 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: MBS is as much as a person can be uh, 312 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: you know, as much as the leader of Saudi Arabia 313 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: can be a Republican, he sounds like he is. I mean, 314 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: what should the Biden administration do here? Well, I think 315 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: they should take a much harder stance. I mean, I 316 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 1: personally know and cares what I have to think about 317 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: geo politics. But I thought it was you're here now. 318 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: But I thought it was a huge mistake that he 319 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: went over there, especially given you know, what we know 320 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: of what he did to just kind of his own people, 321 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: what he does to his own people, and um, you 322 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: know just kind of the human humanitarian is used that 323 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: they have over there. But you know, again, I mean 324 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: that that was just a d percent leverage. I mean, 325 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: you we might look back and say that was a 326 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: bad of of a kind of mishap, as you know, 327 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 1: Trump going over and meeting Kim john In in the 328 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: d m Z. You know, I mean, I really do 329 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: think if you think of the balance of power and 330 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: how important energy has become as a matter of national security, 331 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: I mean, what happened in the last few months might 332 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: be something we you know, we look back for a 333 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: very long time and just say very clearly, these are 334 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: not our friends, right American government still gives Saudi Arabia 335 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: money and yet it relies on OPAK. There are things 336 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: that this government could do well, and they're starting to 337 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: do it. I mean, when you think about you know 338 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: that this administration started with the idea that they were 339 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: going to be cutting you know, fossil fuel production here 340 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: um in a massive, massive way, and they basically changed 341 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: their tune and I think the idea again going back 342 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: to energy as a means of national security. I mean, 343 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: this is a theme that you know, Molly and our 344 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: adult lives, going back to what work kid. You know, 345 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: this is something that's gone on and on and on, 346 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: and so I guess at the end of the day, 347 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: you know, you keep hearing this term E s G. 348 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: That was just a kind of really popular way for 349 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: people to kind of look at what we were doing 350 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:12,679 Speaker 1: as relates to fossil fuels and say we're not going 351 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 1: to invest in those sorts of strategies and just became 352 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: something a very easy political sort of flagged to wave. 353 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: And I think what this administration has clearly done so 354 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,439 Speaker 1: far is at least you know, taking that flag, you know, 355 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:27,400 Speaker 1: out of the ground here and thought about different ways 356 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: where we can produce um, you know, energy in a 357 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: way where we're less relying on the sound and open 358 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 1: I mean, do you think that that's in the future. Yeah, 359 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: I do. I mean I think that you know, at 360 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: the end of the day, I think what the situation 361 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:40,120 Speaker 1: that Europe is in right now. I mean, the fact 362 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 1: that they were so reliant for natural gas on the Russians, 363 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 1: given everything that we know of Putin's strategy as it 364 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: relates to, you know, kind of reassembling or cobbling back 365 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: together um, the Soviet Union. It's just very interesting that Germany, 366 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: when the largest economies in the world, was so dependent 367 00:17:57,600 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 1: on them, and we're gonna be we could be in 368 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 1: a global recession because of that dependence. And you know, 369 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:05,400 Speaker 1: we have the ability here in the US to kind 370 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,400 Speaker 1: of pull a lot of gas out of the ground here. 371 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 1: And again I don't know a whole heck of a 372 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: lot about this, and then the politics are very complicated here, 373 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: but I mean there's probably a much more measured approach 374 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: to this. And then again you're hearing people from all 375 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: sides talk about nuclear energy as also a source going forward. 376 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:24,679 Speaker 1: So again I think we're going to get out of 377 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 1: this situation here. Maybe without a war, a broader war 378 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 1: than which just exists with Russia and Ukraine, and it's 379 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: gonna caused the rest of the world to kind of rethink, 380 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:37,120 Speaker 1: you know, our energy needs. Thank you so much, Dan, 381 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 1: this was super interesting, all right, Molly, thanks a lot, 382 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 1: and grats on Fast Politics than Eric Swallwell represents California's 383 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:55,199 Speaker 1: fifteenth congressional district. Welcome too, Fast Politics, Eric Swawell, Guys, 384 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: nice to see all game. Very excited to have you 385 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: on the new podcast. Talk to me about these mid terms. 386 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: What is your anxiety, what are you seeing? What does 387 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:10,360 Speaker 1: the landscape look like from out there in California? Yeah, 388 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 1: it's uh thirty jump balls all over the country, right, 389 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 1: that's basically where we're at. We've got to win about 390 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: eighty six percent of them to keep the House. That's doable. 391 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 1: It's doable because we've got terrific candidates defending our seats, 392 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,919 Speaker 1: and we've got candidates who are going after you know, 393 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: some of the most vulnerable and just frankly awful Republican 394 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: colleagues of mine. So I actually, you know, if you 395 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 1: would have told me a year ago, this is a 396 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: position we would have been in. You know, most people 397 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: wouldn't have believed it, and I would have been a 398 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 1: little skeptical. But that's where we're got, you know, thirty 399 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: ish days out jump ball scenario, we can keep both houses. 400 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 1: What would our listeners need to I mean, where should 401 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: they focus? I have been getting lots of emails from 402 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: people like what should I do? How can I help 403 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: to tell them? Yeah, well, my organization is called Remedy 404 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: and so remedy pack dot com. We've got about ten 405 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 1: seats to senators that were helping to Senate candidates were 406 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: helping Mandella Barnes and Valve Demming's and then a bunch 407 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 1: of House candidates. A race I really really enjoy droid 408 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: watching it develop is in Palm Springs. It's a new 409 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: seat where a thirty year Republican incumbent Ken Calvert has 410 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: moved to hasn't represented much of it. As you know, 411 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:26,640 Speaker 1: it's got the largest LGBT concentrated voting base in the country. 412 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: And even when it had Republicans, they had someone who 413 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: would vote with their interests. And now we have Will 414 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: Rawlins as our candidate. A federal prosecutor Boscuy to January 415 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 1: six cases from the community. He's gay, he knows those issues, 416 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,399 Speaker 1: and he's running against Ken Calvert, who you know his 417 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:47,919 Speaker 1: voted against allowing days to serve in the military. Uh, 418 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 1: you know, a co sponsor of the Defensive Marriage Act 419 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: back in the nineties and has made millions of dollars 420 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 1: since he went into office. You know, Will, I think 421 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: has done a good job of highlighting what he's been called. 422 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: Calvertsman called the most corrupt member of Congress. So that 423 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 1: is a Trump plus one district, meaning as constituted, Trump 424 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 1: would have won it by one point, and that is 425 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 1: one that we absolutely can win and put in our call. 426 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: How is he corrupt? So I will lay this out 427 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: for you, but he has made nearly twenty plus million 428 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: dollars while in office while voting on projects that affected 429 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 1: his financial interests. Some of Will's ads I think so 430 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:31,879 Speaker 1: effectively laid us out. But also I think if you 431 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,199 Speaker 1: look at his record of the amount of money he 432 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 1: has taken in his campaign from oil and gas industry, 433 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: from pharmaceutical industry, and then votes against price gouging. Uh, 434 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 1: you know when it comes to gas prices, votes against 435 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: the Inflation Reduction Act, which would lower the costs of 436 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:52,160 Speaker 1: prescription drugs. Will really make a great case of whether 437 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,880 Speaker 1: you know it's to benefit his campaign or to benefit 438 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: his pocketbook. Calvert is doing a lot better. His constituents 439 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 1: are doing a lot worse. And in about thirty days 440 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: there's going to be a choice for the people in 441 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 1: that part of California. You've hit on a subject that 442 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,879 Speaker 1: is near and dear to my heart. Huge percentage of 443 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: American people believe that members of Congress should not trade 444 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: stocks or their spouses. Can you talk to me. I 445 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 1: know they were like several bills in the works and 446 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: a lot of controversy. Can you catch us up to 447 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: where we are on that. Yeah, we should have a 448 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: stock fan for members of Congress, for our spouses, for 449 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 1: our any dependent you know, family members. I don't own 450 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:38,919 Speaker 1: any individual stocks, and I don't believe my colleagues should. 451 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 1: Some of the arguments against having this legislation would be that, 452 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 1: you know, it's already illegal to insider trade, and so, 453 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 1: you know, why does Congress need you know, a law 454 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: that would prevent them from doing something that the law 455 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 1: already says you can't do. I just happen to believe 456 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: if the perception among the public is that you know, 457 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:02,880 Speaker 1: we are using inside info to improve our own financial standing, 458 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: then we should go above and beyond to show the 459 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,679 Speaker 1: public that we're not doing that. And and even if 460 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: it is illegal, why not just make it a little 461 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: more difficult for a member of Congress to do that? 462 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 1: As I said in the In the Calvert Rawlins race, 463 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: Rawlins has made a compelling case about projects that Calvert 464 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: has voted on that he has had a direct financial 465 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: interest in. And Calvert, despite making the same amount of 466 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: money for the last you know, fifteen years, as far 467 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: as his public sorry, has seen his overall wealth go up. 468 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: And and that diminishes the public's trust in its nations leaders. 469 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:39,120 Speaker 1: And if we can do something about that, I think 470 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,360 Speaker 1: we should. Yeah, me too, man, I get that. It's 471 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 1: it's easy to look at the handful of Democrats that 472 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: you know have opposed this and stay like, why can't 473 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 1: you all pass this? I know there's nuances in the bills. 474 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,640 Speaker 1: You know it's not the nuances, I mean, there's always nuances. 475 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: But the Republicans are delivering zero votes for us something 476 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 1: like It's it's not as Kevin McCarthy is saying, Hey, guys, 477 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 1: I've got votes for you on this. Just passet No 478 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: that's not the case at all that they will deliver 479 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: you know, a goose egg as far as like what 480 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: you know we're going to get from them. So and 481 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 1: that's the same in the Senate. So we with a 482 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,159 Speaker 1: plus four majority in the House, you know, we have 483 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: to get to eighteen pretty point and then it would 484 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: be nice if some Republicans are vote for us. But 485 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: we don't have any Republicans saying, hey, just put this 486 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: vote up and you know, I'll give you what you 487 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 1: need to get it across the goal line. Certainly not. 488 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 1: But here's a question. I mean, the Republicans have gone 489 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 1: like anti everything. Why do you think as a Democrat 490 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: we're not seeing more Democrats campaigning on this idea that 491 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: like we have. I mean, I was just writing about 492 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: this a minute ago, so I can pull this up. 493 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,479 Speaker 1: But we have, you know, election deniers running in forty 494 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: eight out of fifties states. We have a central tenant 495 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,919 Speaker 1: of the Republican platform now, is that you know, if 496 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,880 Speaker 1: our guy doesn't win, the election wasn't fair. I mean, 497 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 1: why do you think Democrats aren't running on that More 498 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: of state and federal candidates on the Republican side are 499 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 1: election deniers and um, I have said from the beginning 500 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,439 Speaker 1: of the cycle, you know, since January six, that you know, 501 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:19,639 Speaker 1: this could be the last renfair election we see and 502 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,959 Speaker 1: our democracies like that, like that that that's what's at 503 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 1: stake when you look at the candidates up and down 504 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 1: the ballot. The secretaries of state of Nevada and Arizona, 505 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 1: the candidates inside. One of them over the weekend said 506 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: if I'm elected, I'm going to work with other secretaries 507 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 1: of state to make sure that we need yeah and 508 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,120 Speaker 1: that yeah, and that Donald Trumps president. They're they're telling 509 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: us what they're going to do. And and so I 510 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,120 Speaker 1: think candidates getting this catch twenty two position where they think, well, 511 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 1: you know, voters aren't talking about this, so let's talk 512 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: to voters about what they're talking about. But then when 513 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 1: it happens, we'll go back and say, why didn't we 514 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 1: talk about it enough. I think voters care about what 515 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,199 Speaker 1: we as leaders tell them. They need, you know, to 516 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 1: care about like that. That's what leadership is is to 517 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,880 Speaker 1: show voters, you know, what the issues are that connect 518 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: all of us and what the solutions are, you know, 519 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 1: to to fix them. It's not to just um, you know, 520 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: take a straw pole and then whatever the issue of 521 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: the day is, it's popular in the straw pole. You know, 522 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 1: we orient your campaign towards that. So I do believe that, 523 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 1: you know, we have seen an increase in the number 524 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 1: of people who rank democracy as one of their top issues. 525 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 1: It's it's hanging around you know, ten to twelve and 526 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 1: most poles, which puts it at like the third issue. 527 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 1: By the way, so you have economy, abortion rights, and 528 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,400 Speaker 1: democracy is the top three issues. And so I think 529 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 1: that's because many of us have tried to escalate that, 530 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: you know, as an issue, and and so um we 531 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: have to lean into that. And and to see people 532 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,639 Speaker 1: say with Mandela Barnes, oh, you know, he needs to 533 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 1: stop talking about Ron Johnson's role in January six, like 534 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 1: that's so maddening. Are people really saying that? Because that 535 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 1: is yeah, oh yeah, that that say, that's a hot 536 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,400 Speaker 1: take out there is that Barnes is you know, focusing 537 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,919 Speaker 1: too much on Johnson. Uh. And I think if you 538 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: if you look at the Barnes campaign, it's very clinical. 539 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,679 Speaker 1: He's focusing on issues of corruption relating to Johnson, similar 540 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 1: to Colbert taking votes that benefits his own financial issuers. 541 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 1: But also on his role you know, pre and post 542 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: January six, because that goes to the core issue that 543 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: we all care about, which is being able to vote 544 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 1: and have that vote counted. Right. I think some of 545 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 1: it is because when Biden gave that pro democracy speech, 546 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: Republicans lost their minds and they compared him to Hitler. 547 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,439 Speaker 1: Do you think that was one of the reasons, like 548 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,400 Speaker 1: they sort of were able to get Democrats to tamp down. 549 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's why Democrats are tamping down, 550 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:45,439 Speaker 1: but the public is camping up right since that speech. 551 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: Democracy as an issue, as I said, stays in you know, 552 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: low double digits as far as what people rank as 553 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 1: what concerns them the most. And by the way, I 554 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,119 Speaker 1: just think it's so comical that they say, you know, 555 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: on Monday, stop calling us fascists, and then on Friday, uh, 556 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,679 Speaker 1: you know, they stand in front of Hitler's car and 557 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: ask people for money, like, stop calling us fascists. But 558 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 1: I'm just I want to like dig into this idea 559 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 1: for a second. It does seem like Republicans are better 560 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: at getting Democrats on the defensive. Right, all of a sudden, 561 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 1: Biden is defending a speech he gave where Trump is saying, 562 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,400 Speaker 1: you know, he doesn't want to do democracy anymore. I mean, 563 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 1: do you think that Democrats should sort of be on 564 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 1: the offensive more? Do you think, I mean, is this 565 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: fundamentally a messaging problem? You know, this is something I 566 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: think about all the time. Yes, we need to play 567 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: on their side of the field more. And also they 568 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: are brilliant at inventing issues, right we joke now it's 569 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 1: kind of a phrase. You know, they'll the caravan an 570 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: issue and then we're we find ourselves on you know, defense. 571 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: But I actually think, you know, there is a way 572 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 1: to intercept you know, their plays, use it against them. 573 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: And last week, Ilhan Omar and I did just that, 574 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 1: you know. We Ilhan texted me a story about Bakersfield 575 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: that it's the fifth highest per capita like murder capital 576 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: in the United States, which also happens to be the 577 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: largest city in Kevin McCarthy's district. And this is bullshit, Like, 578 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 1: we take all these hits from this guy. He represents 579 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: fifth largest murder capital in America and votes against you know, 580 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 1: every funding bill that we put up for the police. 581 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, that is bullshit. And so 582 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,959 Speaker 1: the two of us put together an ad, you know, 583 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 1: hitting McCarthy and and kind of concluded the ad that 584 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: you know you're not pro cop you're pro coup, and 585 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 1: that you know, immediately within forty eight hours had over 586 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 1: a million views just on Twitter. And so I think 587 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 1: that's where you can you know, intercept as I said, 588 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 1: intercept the past, you know, and uh, you know, do 589 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: a political pick six like and that's what we did, 590 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 1: and that's what we need to do more. Uh yeah, 591 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 1: that does seem to me, is like and I mean, 592 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: for example, like the thing that I'm so struck by 593 00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 1: is just how good Republicans are at repeating a lie 594 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 1: again and again again. Yes, going back to the football analogy. 595 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,719 Speaker 1: They do not want to have us on their end 596 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: of the field. On abortion rights, I mean, they're they're 597 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: terrified of that as an issue. They're doing anything they can, 598 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 1: you know, to distract from us, you know, running that 599 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 1: issue against them, because they know just how devastating it is. 600 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 1: And and I've heard in the plural of anecdote is 601 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: not data, but the number of Republican women all over 602 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 1: the country who I have heard from from either directly 603 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 1: or family members of their saying that they are voting 604 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 1: for a Democrat this election because of that issue, Like 605 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: they know it's devastating and there's they have no good 606 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 1: answer for it. And and I think what's so telling 607 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: to me on that issue, which is why they're so 608 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 1: desperate to invent issues and then put us on defense, 609 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 1: is all of these rallies that Donald Trump has had. 610 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: The guy loves, loves, loves to take credit for everything. 611 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 1: The one thing he does not take credit for is 612 00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: putting three justices on the court to take away a 613 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: woman's right to have an abortion. He doesn't said about 614 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: that issue at all because he knows it's unpopular. Yeah, yeah, Yeah, 615 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 1: he's the guy. He's not He's not stupid when it 616 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 1: comes to, you know, public opinion. He knows how to 617 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 1: exploit grievances, and he knows that this is a major, 618 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 1: major issue for women. And he has for the first 619 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: time in his life, not taking credit for something that 620 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: he's responsible for. Yeah, all this stuff about the impeachment 621 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 1: coming out most recently, there was another piece. There's a 622 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 1: book on the impeachment that just came out from Rachel Bad. 623 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 1: Do you think that if it had been done differently, uh, 624 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 1: it might have worked. I mean, do you have regrets 625 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: about the impeachment. Do you wish that they had called 626 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: witnesses for the second impeachment? What the January six Commission 627 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 1: has done, I think reaffirms the attacked we were trying 628 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: to take his managers, which was to get in front 629 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 1: of witnesses. I get the pressures of the Senate to 630 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: pass the rescue plan to confirm the president's appointees. What 631 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: the Bade piece exposes is that we were ready to 632 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: go as managers. We had, you know, witnesses who we 633 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 1: wanted to call, and you know that the Senate, you know, 634 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 1: is the jury. They ultimately we're going to be able 635 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: to decide what direction the trial went in, and they 636 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 1: didn't go the direction we wanted. Thank god the January 637 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: six Commission was created because that information has come out. 638 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 1: Do I believe that we would have been able to get, 639 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 1: you know, the ten more votes that we would have needed. 640 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'd stand by our decision at that 641 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: point to want to proceed with witnesses, and you know, 642 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 1: it was frustrating to the Senate, you know, wanted to 643 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 1: go in a different direction. But I think we've ended 644 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 1: up at the same point as far as what we've 645 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 1: learned because of the good work of the Commission, and 646 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 1: I hope that weighs on people in the next As 647 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 1: I said, thirty ish days when I think about what 648 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: kind of country they want to live in. Eric swallwell, 649 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 1: thank you so much. Donald Trump goes to jail, yes 650 00:32:53,480 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 1: or now, oh yeah, come on, yes, We're gonna say okay, 651 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 1: all right, I'll hold you to it. Andrew Warren is 652 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 1: a state attorney for Hillsborough County, Florida. Welcome to Fast Politics, Andrew, 653 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: thanks so much for having me. You'll find yourself in 654 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 1: an interesting situation that I can't imagine you would have 655 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 1: thought you would be in. Can you explain to us 656 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 1: what happened to you in August four? Yeah, that's definitely 657 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 1: a situation I never thought i'd find myself in. I 658 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: was at work doing my job. I was actually in 659 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: the grand jury presiding over the indictment of two thirty 660 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 1: nine year old cold cases that we had solved with 661 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 1: the help of local law enforcement, and all of a 662 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 1: sudden I got an email, tell us what your job 663 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 1: is because not all of our listeners now, of course, Well, 664 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 1: I'm the state attorney in Hillsboro County. Florida, which is 665 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 1: where Tampa is. And that's basically that's the district attorney 666 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 1: as it's called in a lot of other places. So 667 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: I'm the local elected prosecutor for a jurisdiction of one 668 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 1: point five million people. We have an office of three 669 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 1: hundred staff, a hundred thirty prosecutors, and we handled about 670 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,479 Speaker 1: sixty to seventy thousand cases a year. Okay, so go on, 671 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 1: so tell me about this email. So I get this 672 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,920 Speaker 1: email that mentioned suspension. I don't really know what it is. 673 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,719 Speaker 1: I step outside of the Grand Jury and I walk 674 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,759 Speaker 1: up to my office and within two minutes there was 675 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,359 Speaker 1: an armed deputy from the sheriff's office and someone from 676 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,920 Speaker 1: the Governor's office. They knocked on the door. They handed 677 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,919 Speaker 1: me what they said was an order of suspension, and 678 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 1: I was told I needed to leave the office right away. 679 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 1: Did you even know what this was about? I had 680 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 1: no idea what it was about. I was completely blindsided. 681 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 1: They didn't give me time to read it. I asked 682 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,279 Speaker 1: if I could have a moment to look at it, 683 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 1: if I could understand. They said, nope, you there's an 684 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,879 Speaker 1: order that you need to evacuate the building immediately. You're 685 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 1: no longer serving the state attorney. You're hereby suspended. You 686 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,440 Speaker 1: need to go. And so, you know, I've worked through 687 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 1: law enforcement throughout my career. I have tremendous respect for them. 688 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 1: I know that's not the time to argue when a 689 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,759 Speaker 1: deputy is telling you you need to do something. I 690 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 1: just said, okay, I didn't even have time to grab 691 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 1: my keys. I just sort of grabbed my bag and 692 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,280 Speaker 1: was escorted out of the building. Okay. And then what happened, Well, 693 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 1: the deputy was nice enough to ask me if I 694 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 1: needed a ride home because they took my car keys away, 695 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,399 Speaker 1: and I said, no, I'm not going home. Wait, why 696 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,880 Speaker 1: did they take your car keys away? I have a 697 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,719 Speaker 1: state car that I drive to work, and so they 698 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,280 Speaker 1: told me how I'm not allowed to have the car anymore. 699 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,239 Speaker 1: I mean they my house key was on it. Like 700 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 1: I didn't even have time to get my house key. 701 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 1: That's how That's how fast this was. And no time 702 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 1: to talk with my staff, no time to understand. Again, 703 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 1: they didn't even give me time to read the order. 704 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,360 Speaker 1: I just had to take their word for it that 705 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 1: I had been suspended. So I ended up. You know, 706 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,320 Speaker 1: everyone asked like, well, what did you do right away. 707 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,759 Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, the first thing I did is I 708 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 1: wanted to make sure that this grand jury was still proceeding, 709 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 1: because I had promised the family members the two victims 710 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,319 Speaker 1: who had been murdered back in the early eighties that 711 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 1: I would be there to make sure everything went smoothly 712 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 1: and to deliver the news to them that their loved 713 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 1: one's killers had finally been indicted and we're being held accountable. Jesus. Okay, 714 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 1: So what happened next, Well, I spent the day doing that. UM. 715 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:21,840 Speaker 1: I ended up making a phone call to my wife. 716 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 1: I think it's like my third or fourth call. I said, 717 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,960 Speaker 1: I've been suspended. I've been kicked out of the office. 718 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 1: She said, you're kidding. I said, I'm not kidding. I 719 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,399 Speaker 1: gotta go. And you still didn't know why. I still 720 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 1: don't know why. I had not seen the order. They 721 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 1: turns out they gave me an incomplete copy of the 722 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 1: executive orders suspending me. I didn't end up looking at 723 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,879 Speaker 1: it until much later that day. But this happened at 724 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 1: maybe ten thirty eleven in the morning, and for the 725 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,160 Speaker 1: next few hours I was making sure that the grand 726 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:54,240 Speaker 1: jury process was going forward and Ultimately the indictment was returned. 727 00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,040 Speaker 1: I had a chance to meet in person with those 728 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,280 Speaker 1: victims families, as I'd promised to do, and to deliver 729 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,320 Speaker 1: the good news to him, and then we had a 730 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,719 Speaker 1: press conference scheduled to announce that we had charged these 731 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,719 Speaker 1: two people, and we went forward with the press conference. 732 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 1: But you were suspended at this point, still I was suspended. 733 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:12,719 Speaker 1: I still didn't even know what the basis of the 734 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,160 Speaker 1: suspension was. I mean, I really knew nothing. Did you 735 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:20,439 Speaker 1: suspect that it had something to do with politics or now? 736 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,279 Speaker 1: It wasn't until that afternoon where I really had a 737 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:27,040 Speaker 1: chance to look at the suspension the executive order. And 738 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,399 Speaker 1: the reason why I was suspended was because I had 739 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:33,799 Speaker 1: spoken up on abortion rights and for transgender rights. And 740 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 1: those are two issues that Rhonda Santis, you know, those 741 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,280 Speaker 1: are his two of his favorite cultural ward divisive issues, 742 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,959 Speaker 1: and he and I don't see idea eye on those, 743 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 1: and so that's the reason why I was suspended. Here's 744 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:49,080 Speaker 1: a question for you. You aren't elected. You were put 745 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,480 Speaker 1: in your job by voters. That's right. I was elected twice. 746 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,680 Speaker 1: I was elected in twenty six and again in so 747 00:37:55,680 --> 00:38:00,239 Speaker 1: it's really strange and frankly dangerous. The idea that the 748 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:04,400 Speaker 1: governor can remove someone from office or you know, suspend 749 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 1: and then hope to remove permanently someone from office who 750 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,680 Speaker 1: has been elected by the voters. This is the crazy thing, right. 751 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,359 Speaker 1: I have two young children, Like my eight year old 752 00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,560 Speaker 1: is saying, but but you've been elected, right. That's how 753 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,040 Speaker 1: democracy works, or at least that's how it's supposed to work. 754 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:23,279 Speaker 1: So explain to me in your district, the state attorney 755 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:27,640 Speaker 1: is elected, right, that's right. And has this ever happened 756 00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:32,920 Speaker 1: where governor has removed a state attorney for not you know, 757 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,399 Speaker 1: going along with his culture war stuff. No, I think 758 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,480 Speaker 1: you have to go back like fifty sixty eighty years 759 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:43,839 Speaker 1: or something, desegregating schools or something. Yeah, it was something 760 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,840 Speaker 1: about like a state attorney refused to wasn't enforcing like 761 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,840 Speaker 1: gambling laws during prohibition or something. I don't know the 762 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 1: full history of it. What I do know is that 763 00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,880 Speaker 1: the state constitution gives very limited power to the government 764 00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,960 Speaker 1: to suspend an elected official, and it's really used when 765 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:04,080 Speaker 1: someone's committed a crime or when someone's been incapacitated, like 766 00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,120 Speaker 1: if you know, God forbid, someone had a stroke and 767 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,080 Speaker 1: they they're just not mentally capable of doing the job anymore. 768 00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,759 Speaker 1: So you would say this is really crossing a room 769 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,920 Speaker 1: upon Oh absolutely. I mean I'm a Democrat, I'm elected 770 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,719 Speaker 1: as a Democrat and a partisan race the run to 771 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:23,200 Speaker 1: centsus is obviously a Republican But regardless of what party 772 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,120 Speaker 1: you belong to or who you vote for, I mean, 773 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,440 Speaker 1: the sacred trust of our democracy is that your vote matters, 774 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:30,920 Speaker 1: and no elected official has the right to throw your vote. 775 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,040 Speaker 1: So for an elected official of either party to throw 776 00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,560 Speaker 1: out someone because they disagree with how they're doing their 777 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,520 Speaker 1: job or they disagree with their political philosophy, that's just 778 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:44,400 Speaker 1: this full frontal attack on our democracy that should outrage everybody. 779 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,759 Speaker 1: So now explain to me what you're doing now, I 780 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,480 Speaker 1: mean what, there probably aren't that many paths for you. 781 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,560 Speaker 1: They're not. So the way it's supposed to work is 782 00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,400 Speaker 1: if it was a lawful suspension, that is, if the 783 00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,680 Speaker 1: governor was within his power to suspend me, it would 784 00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,600 Speaker 1: go to the Florida Senate and they would decide whether 785 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,359 Speaker 1: you know, to remove me from office based on the 786 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,640 Speaker 1: facts alleged. But here the problem is that the governor 787 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,240 Speaker 1: doesn't have the power to do this. So we filed 788 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,680 Speaker 1: a lawsuit in federal court and that case is now 789 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,520 Speaker 1: set for trial at the end of November. Basically, we 790 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,680 Speaker 1: have alleged that the governor violated my First Amendment rights 791 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:26,400 Speaker 1: by retaliating against me for speaking out, and more importantly, 792 00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,880 Speaker 1: for violating the rights of the voters to have the 793 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,440 Speaker 1: elected official that they chose, that they elected in a 794 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,920 Speaker 1: free and fair election. The governor tried to have the 795 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,759 Speaker 1: suit thrown out, saying that you know I work for 796 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,920 Speaker 1: him and that he can remove me, and the judge said, 797 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,800 Speaker 1: not so fast. My friend andrews an elected official. He 798 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,200 Speaker 1: works of the voters, and now let's go to trial 799 00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,360 Speaker 1: because we want to make sure that the governor's motivation 800 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,960 Speaker 1: was not political. But we know it was political. Well, 801 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,759 Speaker 1: it certainly looks political. Our position is that it's political. 802 00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,799 Speaker 1: The judge is doing what judges do. He's waiting to 803 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,840 Speaker 1: eather all the facts. We had an initial argument in 804 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,239 Speaker 1: the court a few weeks ago. We had asked to 805 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,120 Speaker 1: be I had asked to be reinstated before the end 806 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:13,280 Speaker 1: of the trial like an expedited relief, saying hey, judge, 807 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,759 Speaker 1: we're gonna win on this. And so there's a real 808 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,439 Speaker 1: harm to me and my constituents. So let's go ahead 809 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,160 Speaker 1: and put me back until the case gets finished. And 810 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,080 Speaker 1: the judge said, well, we want to make sure we 811 00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:26,080 Speaker 1: get this right once and for all. So, you know, 812 00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:27,839 Speaker 1: as much as I would have liked to have have been 813 00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:32,600 Speaker 1: reinstated at that at that preliminary stage, the reality is 814 00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,760 Speaker 1: that going to trial as a victory for the truth. 815 00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,200 Speaker 1: Because now a federal judge has ruled that De Santis 816 00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,600 Speaker 1: has to come into court to explain under oath how 817 00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,359 Speaker 1: my suspension didn't break the law. He has to come 818 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,840 Speaker 1: in under penalty of perjury and show it wasn't political, 819 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,600 Speaker 1: it didn't violate my First Amendment rights, and it didn't 820 00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,040 Speaker 1: violate the voters rights to have the state attorney that 821 00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,960 Speaker 1: they elected. A lot of Republicans have shopped to Santras 822 00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,600 Speaker 1: as Trump for people who can't stomach Trump. It's adds 823 00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:04,240 Speaker 1: to me from your experience that he's almost more dangerous 824 00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,640 Speaker 1: than Trump. Well, he's certainly done some things that have 825 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:10,000 Speaker 1: raised eyebrows, and you know, raised questions and met the 826 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,920 Speaker 1: legality of them. Sure. So, Well, first of all, the 827 00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,360 Speaker 1: most recent stunt, you know, with sending migrants to Martha's 828 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,759 Speaker 1: vineyards outside observers have pointed out that those flights may 829 00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,400 Speaker 1: have been illegal, that the migrants were duped into it. 830 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,400 Speaker 1: There was a question of whether he used the state 831 00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:30,320 Speaker 1: funds that had been authorized legally. Yeah, he put aside 832 00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:35,239 Speaker 1: twelve million dollars, right, that's right. Yeah, I mean keep 833 00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,239 Speaker 1: in mind, this is twelve million dollars that could have 834 00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,719 Speaker 1: been spent improving schools, or investing in small businesses, or 835 00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,040 Speaker 1: fixing the broken insurance market with Florida. I mean, we 836 00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:48,240 Speaker 1: did recently have a devastating hurricane here. Uh, but instead 837 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,000 Speaker 1: the governor chose to spend that money on a you know, 838 00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,320 Speaker 1: a political stunt. And the governor's championed the other laws 839 00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:58,200 Speaker 1: that have been held unconstitutional, from cracking down on social 840 00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,680 Speaker 1: media because you know, he felt like they're biased, which 841 00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:05,000 Speaker 1: was held to be a violation of First Amendment rights too, 842 00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,800 Speaker 1: you know, us ban on teaching you know, true history 843 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,760 Speaker 1: in American schools and instead having to teach certain propaganda. 844 00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,600 Speaker 1: There have been these laws that he's passed which have 845 00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,040 Speaker 1: come under scrutinies, several of which have been held to 846 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,440 Speaker 1: be unconstitutional. So this is just one of the more 847 00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:26,080 Speaker 1: recent actions that the governor has taken, which certainly looks 848 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,719 Speaker 1: and smells like a political stunt so that he can 849 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,120 Speaker 1: go on the stump in other states, which is exactly 850 00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,120 Speaker 1: what he's done, you know, brag about how he he 851 00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:39,720 Speaker 1: threw out this, you know, crazy radical prosecutor. Though anyone 852 00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,520 Speaker 1: in my county, which is a very purple county, will 853 00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:47,160 Speaker 1: tell you that I'm a pragmatist, that I've been a moderate, 854 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,000 Speaker 1: that we've done a great job here and actually reducing crime. 855 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,240 Speaker 1: But unfortunately, in the world in which the Santis operates, 856 00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,200 Speaker 1: you know, truth doesn't matter very much. You just go 857 00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,359 Speaker 1: out and say what you want to say because you're 858 00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,120 Speaker 1: on Fox News or at a campaign rally where you 859 00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,040 Speaker 1: know you're not beholding to the truth. You're in Florida 860 00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,600 Speaker 1: right now, and you have that as a sort of 861 00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:07,400 Speaker 1: you know something that the rest of us in the 862 00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,400 Speaker 1: national media don't have. I mean, so you're watching this 863 00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:14,080 Speaker 1: in real time clearly with the Santa's he like Trump, 864 00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:18,400 Speaker 1: he doesn't know anything, right, I mean, but just Santa's like, 865 00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:22,200 Speaker 1: he certainly knows that you can't. I mean a lot 866 00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:26,120 Speaker 1: of this stuff, Like he's pretty smart. What's happening in Florida? 867 00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,080 Speaker 1: Do you think that this is sort of he thinks 868 00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,520 Speaker 1: will get caught eventually or now. It's a great question. 869 00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,920 Speaker 1: I don't think it's so much whether he thinks. I 870 00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,480 Speaker 1: don't think he cares. Right, he champions a law, it 871 00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,279 Speaker 1: gets thrown out by the court is unconstitutional, and he's 872 00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,080 Speaker 1: still he still goes and brags about it. Look at 873 00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,200 Speaker 1: what we did, right, They passed a law about cracking 874 00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,560 Speaker 1: down on riots that you know, even law enforcement here 875 00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,719 Speaker 1: said the thing doesn't this law doesn't do anything. It's 876 00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:57,120 Speaker 1: just empty rhetoric. And there was a legal challenge filed, 877 00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,720 Speaker 1: and the governor's attorneys and go into court and say, judge, 878 00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,160 Speaker 1: this law doesn't really do anything. We admit it doesn't 879 00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,040 Speaker 1: change the law very much. But the but de Santis 880 00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,160 Speaker 1: goes and talks about it like it's the greatest law 881 00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,719 Speaker 1: in the history of the world. Right, So does he 882 00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:13,640 Speaker 1: care that laws he champions gets held to be unconstitutional. No, 883 00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,120 Speaker 1: because he just goes and brags about passing them anyway. 884 00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,440 Speaker 1: I mean, but it leads to a bigger question, which is, 885 00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,279 Speaker 1: do you think most of this is performantive? It is, 886 00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,040 Speaker 1: it's it's performance art. I mean, so much of our 887 00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:30,120 Speaker 1: politics now has become this ridiculous and dangerous political theater. 888 00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:32,959 Speaker 1: And and de Santis has made one thing very clear. 889 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,279 Speaker 1: I mean it don't disagree with him, or he'll use 890 00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,640 Speaker 1: his office to punish you. Keep in money. He went 891 00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:42,239 Speaker 1: after Disney, then he went after the Special Olympics, Then 892 00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,600 Speaker 1: he went after teachers based on what they're teaching in 893 00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,200 Speaker 1: the classroom. Now he's going after a public servant. He's 894 00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,000 Speaker 1: even targeted law enforcement with regards to the moral lago. 895 00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,560 Speaker 1: I mean, so he talks so much about the frue 896 00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,239 Speaker 1: state of Florida, but the reality is it doesn't feel 897 00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,919 Speaker 1: very free unless you agree with everything he says. How 898 00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:04,120 Speaker 1: much accountability can there be for a rogue governor like this, Well, 899 00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,960 Speaker 1: it depends what he's doing. Right. There's accountability in the 900 00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,560 Speaker 1: fact that you can challenge laws that have been passed 901 00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,399 Speaker 1: as unconstitutional, and that's been done in some of those laws, 902 00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,279 Speaker 1: as I mentioned, have been thrown out. There's accountability when 903 00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:18,080 Speaker 1: we sue him for this. I mean, we are holding 904 00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:22,120 Speaker 1: him accountable for violating the constitutional rights of one point 905 00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:26,000 Speaker 1: five million Floridians, and we're confident that we're gonna win 906 00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,360 Speaker 1: in court. We have to go through the process, of course, 907 00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,319 Speaker 1: but this is how you hold someone accountable. You don't 908 00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,520 Speaker 1: let them just get away with trampling on people's rights 909 00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,279 Speaker 1: and talk about how they're defending rights. I mean, that's 910 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,880 Speaker 1: something out of it. It's so Orwellian where he's standing 911 00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:44,680 Speaker 1: up and saying freedom, freedom, freedom, we're protecting people's freedom, 912 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,240 Speaker 1: while he's taking away people's freedom of speech, their freedom 913 00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:52,520 Speaker 1: to vote, their freedom to learn. I mean he's attacking 914 00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,839 Speaker 1: the freedom of businesses to do what those businesses think 915 00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,839 Speaker 1: it's best for their consumers. That there are a lot 916 00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:02,200 Speaker 1: of freedoms that he's talks about, but the words, the 917 00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,240 Speaker 1: actions don't live up to the words. Florida is a 918 00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:09,560 Speaker 1: fascinating adventure for Democrats. I'm old enough to remember when 919 00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,520 Speaker 1: Florida really was a swing state. What the fund is 920 00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,799 Speaker 1: happening over there? Excuse my language, Well, I do think 921 00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,359 Speaker 1: Florida still a swing state, and the Republicans have held 922 00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,680 Speaker 1: power in the statewide elections, you know, in the state 923 00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:26,120 Speaker 1: government here for you know, a while, and they end 924 00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:30,640 Speaker 1: up strengthening their grip on it through redistricting and campaign 925 00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,600 Speaker 1: finance laws or lack of them don't really help, and 926 00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,239 Speaker 1: they make matters worse. You know, Florida like the rest 927 00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,640 Speaker 1: of our country has become more polarized, and so you 928 00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:42,440 Speaker 1: have uh, you know, candidates from both sides moving to 929 00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,640 Speaker 1: the extremes and primaries. But the reality is that even 930 00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,920 Speaker 1: though Republicans keep winning in the state of Florida, the 931 00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,439 Speaker 1: recent elections have been close. You know, just sentis one 932 00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:58,279 Speaker 1: in eight by like half a percent, and Rick Scott 933 00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,600 Speaker 1: defeated Bill Nelson for the Senator race by even less 934 00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,759 Speaker 1: than that, and so the races have been close. I 935 00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:09,040 Speaker 1: think it's important for you know, Democrats and frankly, any 936 00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:12,319 Speaker 1: candidate to give voters a vision of how they're going 937 00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,600 Speaker 1: to improve their lives. What what are we going to 938 00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:19,360 Speaker 1: do to actually help people, to improve the economy, to 939 00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,439 Speaker 1: improve our schools, to keep our neighborhood safe, to help 940 00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,480 Speaker 1: address healthcare issues. I mean, this are what voters want 941 00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,840 Speaker 1: to know about. That they don't care about the culture 942 00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:31,840 Speaker 1: war fights and you know, the politicking and partisanship you 943 00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:36,799 Speaker 1: see on cable news. The problem is the parties have 944 00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:40,680 Speaker 1: just focused so much on these fights, and the Republicans 945 00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,760 Speaker 1: have become so good at it that they get people 946 00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:48,640 Speaker 1: to ignore the kitchen table issues that really matter and 947 00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,600 Speaker 1: instead focus on you know, the shiny object in the room. 948 00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:56,360 Speaker 1: The we're owning the Libs by sending migrants to Martha's vineyard. 949 00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,960 Speaker 1: We suspended the prosecute. I mean, these the things that 950 00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:04,680 Speaker 1: don't help anyone in our state. They undermine democracy, they 951 00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:10,560 Speaker 1: violate fundamental American values, but yet they appeal to a 952 00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:14,680 Speaker 1: plurality of people who are voting and determining the course 953 00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:19,239 Speaker 1: of elections. Do you think that there's problems that Democrats 954 00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,440 Speaker 1: are having at the party level? Well, I think that 955 00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:25,440 Speaker 1: the party. Yeah, in Florida, the local I mean, can 956 00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,239 Speaker 1: you speak to that for a minute, yes, I mean, 957 00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:32,080 Speaker 1: the party infrastructure here is in need of improvement. I've 958 00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,880 Speaker 1: heard that from a lot of people, and I would 959 00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,279 Speaker 1: love you just to talk because our listeners are quite 960 00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,839 Speaker 1: interested in that kind of thing. Well, it's no secret here. 961 00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,040 Speaker 1: You know, the Republicans have done a really good job 962 00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:46,879 Speaker 1: of organizing, motivating, raising money. And that's what the core 963 00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:49,360 Speaker 1: of local politics is about, right, I mean, you you 964 00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,640 Speaker 1: show a vision for people, you organize, you get people 965 00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:53,960 Speaker 1: to turn out to vote. And look, Republicans have been 966 00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,440 Speaker 1: very good about that in the state of Florida. Democrats 967 00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,319 Speaker 1: haven't done it as well. Now they've brought in a 968 00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,439 Speaker 1: new party CHA in recent years, they're raising money, they're 969 00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:08,200 Speaker 1: really focused on uh core issues. Obviously, women's rights, healthcare, 970 00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,560 Speaker 1: reproductive rights has become a huge issue over the past year. 971 00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:15,120 Speaker 1: It's something that's turning out voters, and you know, we 972 00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,680 Speaker 1: hope to see that it turns out people who are 973 00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:22,000 Speaker 1: you know, really care about the attack on those freedoms. 974 00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,960 Speaker 1: But as I said a moment ago, you know, candidates 975 00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,400 Speaker 1: and parties have to show a vision for the future, 976 00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,239 Speaker 1: and Democrats have to continue to show that they are 977 00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:34,480 Speaker 1: the party of the people or even the party of democracy, right, 978 00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:38,040 Speaker 1: the Party of democracy absolutely. But you know, it's interesting 979 00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:42,040 Speaker 1: that a minimum wage constitutional amendment passed in the state 980 00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:45,640 Speaker 1: of Florida. In raising the minimum wage has been a 981 00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:50,560 Speaker 1: staple of Democratic policy for a generation, and that had 982 00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,240 Speaker 1: to pass by I believe sixty percent of the vote 983 00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:56,920 Speaker 1: in Florida, and it did. But so while two thirds 984 00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:01,440 Speaker 1: of the state are voting for a core Democratic policy issue, 985 00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,439 Speaker 1: they voted Republican, you know, Donald Trump on the state 986 00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,320 Speaker 1: by a couple of points. So there's a disconnect between 987 00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:11,160 Speaker 1: the policies that people support and the parties that they're 988 00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,800 Speaker 1: voting for, which just shows that Democrats have to do 989 00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:15,839 Speaker 1: a better job of showing that they're the one they're 990 00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,640 Speaker 1: the party that has supported these policies for years. Yeah, 991 00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,120 Speaker 1: that is very, very true. And it's funny because I 992 00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:24,120 Speaker 1: think about that all the time. Whatever. I was sitting 993 00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,160 Speaker 1: next to someone on the airplane and he was complaining 994 00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,319 Speaker 1: about wokeism, and I said, do you think it's fair 995 00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:31,640 Speaker 1: that if you get cancer you could end up in 996 00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,239 Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of dollars of dad? And he was like, no, 997 00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,000 Speaker 1: of course that's not fair. And I was like, uh, 998 00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,480 Speaker 1: And so I mean, it certainly is a problem that 999 00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:44,120 Speaker 1: Democrats find themselves in where they're not able to, you know, 1000 00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,400 Speaker 1: let these voters know that that's what they're trying to 1001 00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:49,239 Speaker 1: fight for. Um, thank you so much, Andrew. This was 1002 00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:56,439 Speaker 1: totally interesting, Molly, Thanks so much for having me on, 1003 00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:01,160 Speaker 1: Molly John Fast. Yes, he can in. You know, the 1004 00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,200 Speaker 1: Internet is always confusing, but I feel like it's a 1005 00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:06,520 Speaker 1: little more confusing today. So this is an interesting case. 1006 00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:10,759 Speaker 1: And they've done this before. So the Daily Mail, you 1007 00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,600 Speaker 1: may know it as it's a sort of it's not 1008 00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,680 Speaker 1: owned by Rupert Murdoch, but it feels like it could be. 1009 00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:21,840 Speaker 1: They released a comment can I tell you why I 1010 00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,520 Speaker 1: think that that that that's not accurate. The Daily Mail 1011 00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:28,479 Speaker 1: works hard like all others other properties, no one puts 1012 00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,600 Speaker 1: out more content than them. The Daily Mail certainly does 1013 00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,320 Speaker 1: put out a lot of content. So they have recently 1014 00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:38,480 Speaker 1: released a two thousand eighteen voicemail. Now, by the way, 1015 00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,319 Speaker 1: I just want to point out this is would not 1016 00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:43,840 Speaker 1: be the first time that a British newspaper has gotten 1017 00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:48,200 Speaker 1: in trouble for phone hacking. Right, well, you're listening to 1018 00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,200 Speaker 1: this voicemail, perhaps you would like to think about the 1019 00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,080 Speaker 1: other times in which, for example, Rupert Murdoch got in 1020 00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,839 Speaker 1: trouble for hacking. I'm not saying this is hacked. I'm 1021 00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:00,920 Speaker 1: sure that Joe Biden just sent them a voicemail of 1022 00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,960 Speaker 1: something he left to his son Hunter. But I'm just saying, like, 1023 00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:05,879 Speaker 1: this is not the first time the Brits have had 1024 00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:07,880 Speaker 1: trouble with this. I'm going to read you the text 1025 00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,000 Speaker 1: of it. It's Dad, I called to tell you I 1026 00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,319 Speaker 1: love you. I love you more than the whole world. Pal, 1027 00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:14,799 Speaker 1: you gotta get some help. I don't know what to do. 1028 00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:18,719 Speaker 1: I know you don't either. So this is meant to 1029 00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:24,279 Speaker 1: be a dunk on Joe Biden for loving his son. 1030 00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:28,919 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean again, like okay, I mean yeah, 1031 00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:32,400 Speaker 1: that's terrible. No, I don't want a president who loves 1032 00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,920 Speaker 1: his son. You know, you know what they've accused us 1033 00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,000 Speaker 1: of having Trump to rage. Would you think this is 1034 00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:42,000 Speaker 1: something to attack? You're really showing your whole ass. It's 1035 00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:45,360 Speaker 1: so interesting because it's like the Republicans are so good 1036 00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,000 Speaker 1: at messaging, right. They have a whole group of people 1037 00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,600 Speaker 1: who think that their Republicans are going to do great 1038 00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,440 Speaker 1: things for them despite all evidence of the contrary. And 1039 00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:58,200 Speaker 1: yet somehow they don't understand that loving your drug addicted 1040 00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:02,560 Speaker 1: child is not something that people consider to be a 1041 00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:06,759 Speaker 1: bad quality and presidential candidate anyway. So they get a 1042 00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:11,759 Speaker 1: hearty fuck you fucking fuccory of funck is um and 1043 00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:13,960 Speaker 1: I hope that they all get in trouble for this 1044 00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,680 Speaker 1: because if they're hacking voicemail, which again we don't know 1045 00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,239 Speaker 1: what they're doing here. I'm not even gonna we don't know, 1046 00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:23,560 Speaker 1: but whatever it is, like, however they got this, you know, 1047 00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:28,200 Speaker 1: not great. That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. 1048 00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:31,520 Speaker 1: Tune in every Monday, Wednesday and Friday to your the 1049 00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,880 Speaker 1: best minds in politics. Makes sense of all this chaos. 1050 00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:37,840 Speaker 1: If you enjoyed what you've heard, please send it to 1051 00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:41,280 Speaker 1: a friend and keep the conversation going. And again, thanks 1052 00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:41,880 Speaker 1: for listening.