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Speaker 1: Welcome to the MLK Tapes, a production of I Heart

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Speaker 1: Radio and Tenderfoot TV. The views and opinions expressed in

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Speaker 1: this podcast are solely those of the podcast author or

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Speaker 1: individuals participating in the podcast, and do not represent those

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Speaker 1: of I Heart Media, Tenderfoot TV, or their employees. Listener

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Speaker 1: discretion is advised. In August of nine sixty three, Dr

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Speaker 1: Martin Luther King spoke from the steps of the Lincoln

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Speaker 1: Memorial to a crowd of more than two hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty thousand in Washington, d C. So even though we

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Speaker 1: faced the difficulties up today and tomorrow, I still have

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Speaker 1: a dream. His iconic I have a Dream speech is

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Speaker 1: one of the most famous speeches in history, and one

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Speaker 1: you're probably familiar with. Nearly six decades later, a few

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Speaker 1: hand pick sentences from that speech have come to define

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Speaker 1: him in the popular mind. But King was not afraid

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Speaker 1: to travel more dangerous roads. Four years later, at Riverside

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Speaker 1: Church in New York, Martin Luther King would give a

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Speaker 1: speech that wasn't about the fight for civil rights in America.

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Speaker 1: It was about the horrific war in Vietnam, and it

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Speaker 1: may have cost him his life. This business of burning

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Speaker 1: human beings with napalm. Sending men home from dark and

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Speaker 1: bloody battle fields, physically handicapped and psychologically derain cannot be

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Speaker 1: reconciled with wisdom, justice and love. King's speech that night

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Speaker 1: shook the country. Many thought he had crossed a line

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Speaker 1: by speaking against the war he was supposed to stick

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Speaker 1: to civil rights. Life magazine called a speech demogogic slander

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Speaker 1: that sounded like a script for Radio Hanoi, referring to

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Speaker 1: the radio station in communist North Vietnam, and for some,

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Speaker 1: King's speech was an act of treason. A year later,

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Speaker 1: to the day, Martin Luther King, just thirty nine years old,

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Speaker 1: would be dead. My name is Bill claybour On, an

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Speaker 1: author and researcher, and most recently co creator of the

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Speaker 1: RFK Tapes, a podcast about the assassination of Robert Kennedy.

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Speaker 1: I was in law school when doctor King was shot.

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Speaker 1: My first thought was that hidden forces, perhaps in our

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Speaker 1: own government, were likely behind the murder. But then a

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Speaker 1: man named James Earl Ray was arrested. He pled guilty

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Speaker 1: in prison. He was a lone gunman, we were told,

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Speaker 1: brought to murder by racial hatred, and that spent the

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Speaker 1: official narrative for over fifty years. It would be decades

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Speaker 1: doctor King. It came to me in boxes, cardboard boxes

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Speaker 1: with dozens of audio tapes. Just as he got to

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Speaker 1: but there was no question to me that the man

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Speaker 1: was hit hard. I mean he was hit hard. So

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Speaker 1: I immediately turned around and go that direction. It was

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Speaker 1: like once the shot went off, it was every dog

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Speaker 1: for his own, every dog for his own. The voices

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Speaker 1: on these tapes are from people who were there, people who,

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Speaker 1: in the passing years have overcome their fear to speak

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Speaker 1: about what they saw, what they heard, and in some cases,

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Speaker 1: what they did when Martin Luther King was killed. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the MLK tapes. Doctor King's assassination is a critical

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Speaker 1: moment in American history. Let's go back to March nine

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Speaker 1: in his campaign to fight not only for civil rights

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Speaker 1: Striking workers peacefully carrying signs that said I Am a

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Speaker 1: doubters wrong. Dr King, You're a march here on Monday

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Speaker 1: has apparently been enjoyed the federal injunction. If that holds up,

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Speaker 1: King's only worry. By returning to Memphis, he was also

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Speaker 1: And then I got into Memphis and some began to

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Speaker 1: that night were a chilling foretelling of his own death.

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Speaker 1: Like anybody I would like to live a long life.

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Speaker 1: Longevity has its place, but I'm not concerned about that now.

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Speaker 1: I just want to do God's will. And He's allowed

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Speaker 1: over and I've seen the promised land. King didn't look away.

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Speaker 1: He could feel what was coming. I may not get

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Speaker 1: glory on the coming of the Lord. The next morning,

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Speaker 1: King's lieutenant Andrew Young went to court to challenge the

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Speaker 1: As he waited for Ralph Abernathy to join him, he

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Speaker 1: Then King spotted Ben Branch, a musician who was to

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Speaker 1: it real, pretty, said King. There was a sudden sound

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Speaker 1: On this evidence, investigators would find the fingerprints of a

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Speaker 1: convict was brought back to Memphis. At his arraignment, Ray

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Speaker 1: while admitting he was in Memphis that day, James Earl

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Speaker 1: after his guilty plea, James Earl Ray petition Judge Preston

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Speaker 1: the interests of justice, such a petition is granted, and

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Speaker 1: thought King had been killed and Ray was in prison

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Speaker 1: story of a loane drifter killing King. Also in nineteen

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Speaker 1: seventy six, during congressional hearings, it came to light that

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Speaker 1: government so concerned with surveilling King? Was this in any

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Speaker 1: way connected to his death? A man named William Pepper

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Speaker 1: thinks it was. Pepper was a friend of Doctor King,

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Speaker 1: and he spent many years gathering evidence that tells a

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Speaker 1: very different story than the one we've all been told,

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Speaker 1: Evidence about who really killed Martin Luther King and why

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Speaker 1: he was murdered. In April nineteen seven, I traveled to

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Speaker 1: There were more people marching than I had ever seen.

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Speaker 1: As we approached the United Nations Plaza, we were too

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Speaker 1: younger generation felt less constrained. I would constantly have conversations,

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00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: theoretical conversations with my other cousins, particularly his kids, about

434
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: what might have happened, who might have been involved. To

435
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: be told that an escape criminal followed my uncle across

436
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: the country never sounded right to us. I mean, generally,

437
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: an escape criminal is trying to keep a low profile,

438
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: and escape criminal is not following a high profile individual around.

439
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 1: So high profiled that law enforcement is probably in the area.

440
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: So Isaac Farris brought a book on the murder of

441
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: his uncle, and he was stunned by what it contained.

442
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: But who's Bill Pepper? I personally did a little investigating

443
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: about Bill Pepper the man, because at that point I

444
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: did not realize that there was even a relationship between

445
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: Bill Pepper and my uncle. And the more and more

446
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: I looked into the man, and the more and more

447
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: I read his story, things checked out. In January of nine,

448
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: Farrest decided to call a meeting and put the story

449
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: in front of the family. I said, look, we've all

450
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 1: known that, you know this is not right. You know,

451
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: we've all said that, we've all admitted that, but we've

452
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: just kind of stopped there. Here's an opportunity, I think

453
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: for us, at least if we don't find out every

454
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: little detail, we can at least kind of put it together.

455
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: The next step was to bring Bill Pepper to Atlanta

456
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: to meet everyone and answer questions. According to Faris, it

457
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: was a tense first hour. First, I guess we were

458
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: challenging him on his personal integrity. Why are you, you know,

459
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: doing this? What's your angle here? What what's your purpose,

460
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: I mean that you're just trying to sell a best seller.

461
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: And in a nutshell, we determined that Bill was since

462
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: here that that he felt a sense of responsibility for

463
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: what happened to my uncle, because Bill, uh doing my

464
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: uncle's lifetime, was one of the people around my uncle

465
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: who was actually trying to really push him to run

466
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: for president. You know, I think Bill felt like, you know,

467
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: whoever assassinated him knew of his plans, and so he

468
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: felt a responsibility and we accepted that. So once we've

469
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: got comfortable with him the man personally, and then it

470
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, well let's really look at your case

471
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: and what you're talking about, and how did you come

472
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: to this and and what's all it is based on.

473
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: Bill Pepper didn't mind the questions. His friendship with Dr

474
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: King had been real, and so was the work he's

475
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: done on the case a great personal cost to himself,

476
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: and he understood that just by being there, he was

477
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: picking out a scab that covered a deep wound. I

478
00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: think it was very traumatic and devastating for the um

479
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: to come to grips with the fact that this this

480
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: good and peaceful man who had the values of not

481
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: only his faith, but of a representative democracy was actually

482
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: taken away from them and from all of us by

483
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: governmental action. It's a very traumatic piece of information to digest.

484
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: But we decided that night, Okay, now you know, we

485
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: need to take this to the world, and how do

486
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: we do that. We agreed to kind of get involved

487
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: and help him and do whatever we could, and as

488
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: a result of that, we found out further information. The

489
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: family's first effort was to aid Bill Pepper's attempt to

490
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: get ready the trial he never had. There was an

491
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: urgency now because just a few months earlier Ray had

492
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: almost died in the hospital from complications arising from cirosis

493
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: of the liver. He had recovered from that crisis, but

494
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: the clock was clearly ticking. So in March, in an

495
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: effort to get a trial for Ray, Dexter King sat

496
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: down with James el Ray with media present. The meeting

497
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: lasted about half an hour, and at one point King

498
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: asked Ray the question, did you kill my father? No? No,

499
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I want you to know that I

500
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:24,479
Speaker 1: believe you, and my family believes you, and we are

501
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: going to do everything in our power to try and

502
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: make sure that justice will prevail. Isaac Ferris also met

503
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: with Ray, but without the cameras. I have met James

504
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: el Ray. I want to be careful how to say this,

505
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: but James el Ray is not the smartest cookie on

506
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: the block. Okay. In fact, every crime did he committed,

507
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: he bungled. I mean, he was just a bungler as

508
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: a criminal. I mean, if you look at his history,

509
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: I mean, and he would get caught doing dumb things.

510
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: One time he robbed a place and apparently he was

511
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:09,280
Speaker 1: bare footed or something, and and took high heeled shoes

512
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: from there, and then he tried to run in high

513
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 1: heeled shoes away from the cops. But I go back

514
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,919
Speaker 1: and forth on whether or not you know, James knew

515
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: okay I'm part of a plan to kill Dr King,

516
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: or you know, whether or not he just was a

517
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: person that was taking advantage of but his level of intelligence,

518
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: it's possible that he could have been duped. It's possible

519
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: he could have been a part of this and never

520
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: known that this is a plan to kill Dr King.

521
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: For a while, it seemed as though the effort to

522
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: get ready of trial was going to bear fruit, as

523
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: Bill Pepper got the case in front of Judge Joe Brown,

524
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,800
Speaker 1: who appeared ready to let them present their evidence. And Memphis,

525
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: Joe Brown was a criminal court judge who was on

526
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: the verge of giving us a trial, a new trial

527
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:01,959
Speaker 1: for James all right. We had made a strong presentation

528
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: to Joe Brown. He was very skeptical of the official story.

529
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 1: He was and is an expert in ballistics. Had determined

530
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: for himself that the rifle, the throwdown rifle, could not

531
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: have been the murder weapon, was not the murder weapon.

532
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,240
Speaker 1: He was on the verge of ruling for a new trial,

533
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,760
Speaker 1: and I was shortly after that that he was simply

534
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 1: removed from the case by the administrative judge and a

535
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,919
Speaker 1: new judge was put in who would be more compliant,

536
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: but on equal time ran out for James Errol Ray,

537
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: James ol Ray, as we just heard his dead, and

538
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: there are fears that the truth about Martin Luther King's

539
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,280
Speaker 1: assassination may have died with him. Ray died of kidney

540
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: failure and come locations or liver disease on Thursday. With

541
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: Ray gone, it may have seemed like the end, but

542
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 1: it wasn't. Because Bill Pepper had one more idea. As

543
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: new evidence emerged after the HBO trial, it had become

544
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: clear that one man, Lloyd Jowers, had played some role

545
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,800
Speaker 1: in the murder. The back door to his bar and

546
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: grille opened unto the brush covered yard just opposite King's

547
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,280
Speaker 1: room at the Lorraine, and a few people who worked

548
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: for Jowers had come forward with what they had seen

549
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: the day of the murder, and Jowers himself had made

550
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: what seemed to be self incriminating statements. So Pepper went

551
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: back to the King family. What if they sued this

552
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: man and various unnamed government agencies for wrongful death. It

553
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 1: would be a civil suit, not a criminal trial, but

554
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 1: it would represent an opportunity to get the evidence as

555
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: it then existed, recorded under oath in a court of law.

556
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 1: The downside said it would open old wounds. Would the

557
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: family be up for such an ordeal? Once we became comfortable,

558
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 1: and then the family felt that they should share this

559
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 1: with the world because we knew even if it was ignored,

560
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,439
Speaker 1: it's still there in history. So even if fifty years

561
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 1: from now people have a different look on this and

562
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 1: are prepared to accept the facts, is there for them.

563
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 1: And the family agreed that we would bring a civil action,

564
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: and since we had so much on this man, has

565
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: been Jowers, we would name him as a defendant and

566
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 1: his lawyer cooperative. His lawyer, Lewis Garrison, a very good

567
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: and solid, decent man, said his client was just a

568
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 1: pawn used by powerful forces. It was, you know, a

569
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: long trial. Was thirty days or so and seventy witnesses.

570
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,359
Speaker 1: Was a very very long trial. But it did give

571
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: us an opportunity to put forwards what evidence that we

572
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 1: had at that point in time. For over thirty years,

573
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: Creti Scott King had borne the grief of her husband's

574
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 1: death with grace and dignity. She never expressed a doubt

575
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: that James ol Ray had pulled the trigger, although she

576
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 1: did sometimes wonder aloud if other hands had helped him

577
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: do it. But for three weeks in November, Mrs King

578
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,280
Speaker 1: went to a courtroom in downtown Memphis, took her seat

579
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: and listened as witness after witness gave their testimony. On

580
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: the final day, Bill Pepper rose and addressed the jury.

581
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 1: Let me close by saying to you that long after people, yet,

582
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 1: what has been said in this courtroom? Are you going

583
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: to remember the verdict of the student because you have

584
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: heard evidence that has never before been put on in

585
00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: Soivan would have been put on Mr Ray's trial if

586
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: he had ever been granted the trunk. No one has

587
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: heard detailed evidence that you have behalf of the family

588
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 1: at Martin Wood became junior. We asked you to find

589
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 1: that conspiracy existed once and for all. Give this plaintive

590
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: found justice, and let's plans the city and this nation

591
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: of the ignorance who has pervaded this case for so long.

592
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 1: After Bill Pepper sat down, the judge gave his instructions,

593
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: and the jury retired to consider the case. But only

594
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 1: a few hours later they returned with the verdict in

595
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 1: favor of the King family, finding that the murder of

596
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: Dr Martin Luther King in Memphis had been a planned

597
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 1: event and that multiple people have been involved. After the trial,

598
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,919
Speaker 1: Mrs King returned to Atlanta. The following day, she called

599
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 1: a press conference. This is what she had to say.

600
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 1: This verdict is not only a great victory for my family,

601
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 1: but also a great victory for America and a great

602
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: victory or truth itself. The jury was clearly convinced that,

603
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 1: in addition to Mr Jawa's a conspiracy of the mafia, local,

604
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: state and federal government agencies were deeply involved in the

605
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 1: assassination of my husband. The jury also affirmed overwhelming evidence

606
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 1: that identified someone else, not James L. Ray, as the

607
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: shooter in Memphis, and that Mr Ray was set up

608
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 1: to take the blame. So what did Coretta Scott King

609
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: here in that courtroom that made this reserved, careful woman

610
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: speak in such a definite fashion. That's what we'll be

611
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 1: looking at and talking about in the next eleven episodes.

612
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,280
Speaker 1: The trial, in its verdict should have been a huge doory,

613
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: but the American press did not see fit to report

614
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: on it in any meaningful way. What came instead were

615
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 1: the op ed pieces by men already invested in the

616
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 1: official story attacking Mrs King and her family for being

617
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 1: dupes or in it for the money, as if there

618
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 1: were any I was disgusted by the coverage and lack

619
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: of coverage of the media. The King family was greatly abused.

620
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 1: In fact, there was some editorials that were related to

621
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: them as aiding and abetting treason and terrorism and all

622
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: of that. The anger over how the King family was

623
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: treated was still evident on Bill Pepper's face as he

624
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: showed me the photographs of Mrs King bravely standing beside

625
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: him in the courtroom, and photos of him with the

626
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: rest of the King family at a dinner they put

627
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 1: on as a thank you for his efforts, and there

628
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 1: was a lot to thank him for. Over the years,

629
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 1: each time someone stepped forward with new information, Bill would

630
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: sit them down own and record what they had to say.

631
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,280
Speaker 1: In most cases, they were just common people who finally

632
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 1: overcame their fear and answered their conscience. In the end,

633
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 1: there were dozens and dozens of audio tapes in boxes

634
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: in different places and attic here, a closet there, and

635
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 1: some down at the King Center in Atlanta. Many of

636
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: the people on those tapes are dead now, but their

637
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 1: stories aren't, and you're going to hear them. It's not

638
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: every day that one gets the shadow a lie as

639
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: big as this one. I called the Union Hall as

640
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: says a matter of life and death. I said, I

641
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 1: think these people are planning to kill Dr King. The

642
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 1: authorities were parade at all. We found a gun that

643
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,879
Speaker 1: James L. Ray bought in Birmingham that killed Dr King,

644
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: Except it wasn't the gun that killed Dr King. James L.

645
00:42:56,000 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: Ray was a pond for the official radio from My

646
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: Heart Radio and tender Foot TV. The plan was to

647
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 1: get King to the city because they wanted it handled

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