1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Doug Gotlieb Show podcast. Be 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: sure to catch us live every weekday three to five, 3 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:09,479 Speaker 1: twelve two Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find your local 4 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:12,879 Speaker 1: station for The Doug Gottlieb Show at Foxsports Radio dot com, 5 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app 6 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 1: by searching apps car What Up, It's the Dog Gottlieb Show, 7 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio. I hope you're having the greatest day 8 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: ever ever. No, you're too kind. 9 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 2: I feel good. 10 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: You do you feel good? 11 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 3: No? 12 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel good too. I feel good too. Uh. 13 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:50,239 Speaker 1: We got some football to get to We got some 14 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 1: basketball to get to it. You're a John CALIPERI had 15 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: to say about how long he wants to coach. Matt 16 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: Holliday will be our guest. We'll talk about the baseball series, 17 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: which it's weird right because they're both teams are going 18 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:10,839 Speaker 1: home up two games to none. It feels like these 19 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: series are let down or a bummer. It's like, but 20 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: Game one was really really exciting between the Brewers and 21 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: the Dodgers, especially in the ninth inning. And you can't 22 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:24,960 Speaker 1: control how close series are. The most stunning one is 23 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: Toronto being down two games none, I did not see 24 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: that one coming. I don't think anybody did. But we'll 25 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: get to baseball in a second. So we got hoops, 26 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 1: we got Penn State their pursuit. Guess who is their 27 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: rumored to be pursuing. I don't actually believe it, but 28 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: that's okay. Daniel Jeremiah's going to join us. We'll talk 29 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: some NFL football. Gosh, but I want to start with baseball, 30 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: and I want to start with the Dodgers and the 31 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: Brewer series. Yamamoto pitches a complete game this after blake'snew 32 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: faced twenty four batters, which is the minimum in eight innings. 33 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: Think about that, you faced the minimum number of batters 34 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 1: in eight innings, minimum number of batters in eight innings. 35 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: So I just I know that last year the Dodgers' 36 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: bullpen was everything. I know that if you look at 37 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: the trade deadline, everybody wants to fix their bullpen. Bullpen, bullpen, bullpen. 38 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 1: Forget about starter. What has been diminished in baseball, just 39 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,399 Speaker 1: like the mid range game in basketball has been diminished 40 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: because of analytics, starting pitching has been greatly diminished. 41 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 4: It used to be back in my day, back in 42 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 4: the two thousand and fifteens, in twoenty twelves, you go 43 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 4: back to the two thousands. Back in my day, you 44 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:59,119 Speaker 4: needed two starters and a quality closure. Alrighty set up man, 45 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 4: maybe you left, get you out of a jam. And 46 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:02,119 Speaker 4: that's about it. 47 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: Well, a funny thing happened on the way to having 48 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: openers and closers and not even having a defined closer. 49 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: The LA Dodgers like, yeah, well, what if we had 50 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: the two best starting pitchers and probably should have let 51 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: Blake Snell go the distance. The crazy part about it 52 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: is that show, hey, Otani hasn't even pitched yet, right, 53 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: and Otani this year hasn't been an ace, but he 54 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: has been in a pat in the past. And so 55 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: you have Yamamoto who's was filthy, filthy, Blake Snell, who 56 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: filthy and has been filthy in the World Series in 57 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: the playoffs before the Dodgers took analytics and said, what 58 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: if we just had the best starting pitching And to 59 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: Jay Stew's point, one of Jay Stew's points to me 60 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: when we talked about it was, you know, it did 61 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: feel like at the start of the year they had 62 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: too much starting pitching, which is what you should do 63 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: if you have a bunch of money is, don't put 64 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: it all in one guy. Put it in more guys 65 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: than anybody else. That's how you're able to withstand all 66 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: the injuries. That's how you're able to slowly get Blake 67 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 1: Stell up and going and ready for the playoffs. But 68 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: there's lots of things that the data supports, and the 69 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 1: data is right, and old habits are really hard to break. 70 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: And our old habit as viewers as fans is to 71 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 1: assume that starting pitching is dead, dead as a door naill, 72 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: And the reality is very much alive and well, very 73 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:46,679 Speaker 1: much alive and well. With the La Dodgers, we still 74 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 1: have a ton of questions about their bullpen. They weren't 75 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 1: answered in Game one. Those questions are right there Sasaki, 76 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: who's a starter, and again he's a guy who eventually, 77 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: probably next year, is in their rotation and his stuff 78 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: is filthy. There's more starting pitching. My assumption is the 79 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: reason the Dodgers did it is starting pitching is so 80 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 1: expensive that the teams that are cost conscious, well, they 81 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: feel like, eh, let's cut a corner here, Let's get 82 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: a guy here, you know, a starter here, and it's 83 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: really save our money and we'll spend our money in 84 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 1: our bullpen. That's not the Dodgers. The Dodgers actually can 85 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 1: do both. But as as we told you, and this 86 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 1: is not just Jason Stewart, this is me, he was 87 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,359 Speaker 1: trade deadline. The surprising part was that they did. They 88 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 1: took some broken down pieces there for that middle relief, 89 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 1: and they haven't panned out well for them. But they're 90 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: gonna have a filthy bullpen in the future, and they're 91 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:47,919 Speaker 1: gonna have these starters in the future. I don't know. 92 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: I watched Games one and two and there's a lot 93 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: of takeaways, but the biggest takeaway is not just that 94 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: the Dodgers are better or that the Dodgers look like 95 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 1: a better baseball team, and they do it with Mookie 96 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: Betts barely hitting and Showhyo Tony. He had one RBI, 97 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: a hard hit ground ball between first and second, And 98 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: that's really it for this series. With limited production from 99 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 1: your two best hitters, from two future Hall of famers, 100 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: they're up two games to none. Why because starting pitching 101 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: still very much has a place, very much has a 102 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: place in high level playoff baseball. I love playoff baseball. 103 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: Not a foregone conclusion, but feels a little bit that way. 104 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 1: Here's Pat Murphy, who's the manager of the Brewers, talking 105 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 1: about that Dodgers dominant starting pitching. 106 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 5: You know, both those pitchers were as dominant as two 107 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 5: pitchers have been. You know, we chased way more than 108 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 5: than we've chased all year. We've been the best in baseball, 109 00:06:52,320 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 5: not chasing these pitchers brought out the worst than us. Yeah. 110 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 6: Yeah. 111 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 5: If I would have told you that the Dodgers are 112 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 5: going to score seven runs in two games and what 113 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 5: was the outcome in the first two games, I'd say 114 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 5: there's a chance we won one of them for sure. 115 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 5: You know, our pitching is beat up, you know that. 116 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 5: I mean it was the emotional series with the Cubs, 117 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 5: and then our pitching has been so we weren't as sharp. 118 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 5: But I thought Freddie pitched well, and you know, I 119 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 5: thought Ashby came in and did a great job. Gasser 120 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 5: came in and did a great job, Anderson came in 121 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 5: and did a great job. So we had some we 122 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 5: had some good performances. But offensively, you've got to grind 123 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 5: out at batts and that's that's what been our forte. 124 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 5: The ball strike has been really at the core of 125 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 5: our offensive success and sometimes great pitching brings out the 126 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 5: worst in you. 127 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: It can't. That's a it's a that's a great point. 128 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: Here's Dave Roberts, manager of the Dodgers, on what led 129 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: up to Yamamoto's outing last night. 130 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 3: I see a real confidence. I think that's what it is. 131 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 3: I think that, you know, last year, certainly there was 132 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 3: a transition, and even in the postseason I didn't give 133 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 3: him a whole lot of leash, and we also had 134 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 3: a really talented bullpen, which we clearly leaned on and 135 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 3: have talked about, you know, a lot. But I think 136 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:23,239 Speaker 3: this year he's got true confidence. For me, that third 137 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 3: time through at pitch ninety, he feels that he's the 138 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 3: best option, and so I think for me, that just 139 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 3: gives me that confidence. 140 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,199 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, whether it's Dave or upstairs that allowed 141 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: him to close that game. Jay Stu going to the ninth, 142 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: what did you think was going to happen last night? 143 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 7: I thought that they were going to go to one 144 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 7: of their gas cans in the bullpen. But I think 145 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:53,719 Speaker 7: I bet I was secured by the lead five to one, 146 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 7: so it didn't matter. They could have brought in Tanner Scott, 147 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 7: who's just awful at pitching and that would have been fine. 148 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 7: I did scratch my head. There's a I don't understand 149 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 7: the mentality, And if Dave was asked this, I didn't 150 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 7: hear the answer because I sure looked I don't understand. 151 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 7: One of my I guess criticisms off of Game one 152 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 7: was one of the reasons why I was pissed off 153 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:22,559 Speaker 7: that Blake Snell didn't start the ninth inning at least, 154 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 7: was because Dave took a chance for Blake Snell to 155 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 7: make history away from him. Remember last week when we 156 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 7: talked about signature moments in the postseason from great players, 157 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 7: and one of the comments in that exchange was it's 158 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 7: hard to have a signature moment if you're a starting pitcher. 159 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 7: But Blake Snell had a chance to go out get 160 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 7: the outs in the ninth and be the only pitcher 161 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 7: since Larsen to face twenty seven batters in a postseason game. 162 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 7: That's the signature moment. So I thought Dave took that 163 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 7: moment away from him, and that pissed me off. So 164 00:09:57,720 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 7: why bring Yamamoto out for the ninth if you were 165 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,719 Speaker 7: gonna take snow out that that's confounding to me. 166 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, the only thing I can 167 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: think of is he learned from the previous night's mistake. 168 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: Is that is that fair? Like, just because you did 169 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: it the night before and it proved to be a mistake, 170 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 1: does that mean you have to do it again just 171 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: to be consistent, like making sense? 172 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 7: No, I'm just saying that there was much more incentive. 173 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: No, no, no, I am not disputing that. You and I 174 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:32,839 Speaker 1: completely agree, Jason. It was a Don Larson esque pitching performance. 175 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 1: It made total sense. He was mowing him down. He's 176 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 1: not a guy who you feel like is gonna have 177 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: an arm issue because he's not throwing a hundred plus right, 178 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:46,199 Speaker 1: He's part of part of the allure to him is 179 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 1: that that curve ball was so filthy, so filthy, they 180 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: could not figure him out, and it was the bottom 181 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: of the lineup. So you and I agree. But just 182 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 1: because you do something that doesn't make sense the night 183 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: before and is the wrong decision that before, and your 184 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: bullpen nearly blows it, that does not mean that you 185 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: have to make the same decision, even if it's not 186 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: nearly the storybook it was the night before. 187 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 7: That's fair. 188 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch the live edition of the Doug 189 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 2: Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on 190 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. 191 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: Stuck Gotleib Show Fox Sports Radio. So SEC media days 192 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:28,599 Speaker 1: are ongoing, and it is weird right that John Caliperry's 193 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: head coach at Arkansas. It does take a little second 194 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: to kind of get that reset right, like Arkansas, Yeah, Arkansas, 195 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:43,199 Speaker 1: mm hmm, okay, okay, how long is he gonna do it? Right? 196 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 1: Here's John Caliperry when he talked about when he'll likely retire. 197 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 8: I want to help twenty five to thirty more families. 198 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 8: The only way you do that is your transformational as 199 00:11:56,280 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 8: a coach. You're not transactional. If I become transactional, I'm 200 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 8: going to pay you this to do this and that. 201 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 8: Then I won't do this anymore. I don't need to. 202 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 1: I think it's a really interesting way of look at it. 203 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: It's one of the parts that a lot of these 204 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: coaches don't like. It's like, I don't want a transactional relationship. 205 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: I love that. It's a great way to put it, 206 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 1: and you kind of got to guard yourself against it. 207 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: Does that mean that they aren't going to end up 208 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:30,079 Speaker 1: being transactional relationships even when they begin as transformational. No, 209 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 1: I'm sure there's plenty of guys who he feels like 210 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: he transformed their lives and like, it's not really that 211 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: one down. But I get what he's saying. I get 212 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 1: what he's saying. But I also think that there's a 213 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: certain car salesman element to it that we all know 214 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: is the perception. And John cal Perry's never shied away 215 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:54,719 Speaker 1: from the perception of who he is and what he's 216 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: about and how his program works. He talks about the players, 217 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: you know, I want to change his families, Like, Okay, 218 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: it's a it's a little much, it comes across a 219 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 1: little steep, but I know what he's saying. He wants 220 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: to his whole thing is about life changing wealth that 221 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:13,599 Speaker 1: you make in the NBA, not the the not the 222 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 1: quick buck that you're gonna make in college basketball. It's fair, 223 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: it's fair, But reality is he's got to win, and 224 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: his old ways of doing it of bringing in five 225 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: freshmen and sprinkling in some veterans and five more freshmen, 226 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 1: that's a hard way to live in this day and age. 227 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,559 Speaker 1: It is. He brought back most of his crew from 228 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: last year. That's why they think they'll be pretty good. 229 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 1: But I, you know, it's not as transformational, and it's 230 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:50,439 Speaker 1: more transactional than he's giving it credit. But I do 231 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:52,319 Speaker 1: think that's the key to this whole thing. That's the 232 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: difference between the old Guard and the New Guard. The 233 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: new Guards like it's transactional whatever. You know, they don't 234 00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 1: have to worry about us. I don't have to worry 235 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 1: about them after next year. If we don't want them around, 236 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: wa to get rid of them. If they want to 237 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: be with us, we get rid of them again. That's 238 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: the new age of thinking. I do not think that way. 239 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: I guess i'd be old school. This is John Calperry 240 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:10,559 Speaker 1: being old school, which is hey, I just I want 241 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: to help these kids for the rest of their lives. 242 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: It does still work in recruiting. It is still true 243 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: if you if you want it to be true, even 244 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: after they leave, even after they transfer, you can choose 245 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: to stay in contact with them or not. You know, 246 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: kids don't. Maybe they find it weird. I still talk 247 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: to some of my former players, and I've only been 248 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: doing this for a year, and guys I wanted to 249 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: stay left. That's what happens not all of them, but 250 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: a couple of them that left. I prefer they stayed 251 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: and we still communicate. I want to be that guy 252 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: in their corner forever. But I also think that at 253 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: the level and the amount that Arkansas is playing at, 254 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's truly possible. I don't know 255 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: if that's truly possible. We've been talking a lot about 256 00:14:56,760 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 1: the mostly the NLCS more so than the ALCS. We'll 257 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: get to that as well. Matt Holliday is our guest, 258 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: seven time All Star, four times Silver Slugger, and father 259 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: of a big leaguer and as soon to be big 260 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: leaguer and Ethan Holliday, who was the fourth pick and 261 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: last year's this year's Major League Baseball Draft, Matt, let's 262 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: let's start with Blake Snell. I started the show just 263 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: so you know with I understand analytics, I understand data, 264 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: I understand what you're supposed to do, why you're supposed 265 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: to do it. But there still is a place for 266 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: big time starting pitching. Right The last couple of years 267 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: had been about an opener, and even last year's Dodgers 268 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 1: really it's about their middle relief more than anything. But 269 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: through two games, their starting pitching has been dominant. Is 270 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 1: this an outlier? Why? Why are the Dodgers Why have 271 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: they been able to be so dominant with starting pitching 272 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: when starting pitching in the past, I don't know, decade 273 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: or so has been diminished year efter year. 274 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 6: Well, I think that the fact that they signed some 275 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 6: of the best ones. I mean mean, you talk about Snell, 276 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 6: he's one of cy young in both leagues. And then 277 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 6: they bring over the best starting pitcher from Japan a 278 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 6: couple of years maybe apart. So they brought over you 279 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 6: know that they obviously they got Showed Hay from the Angels, 280 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 6: but they bring over the best starting pitcher in Japan, 281 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 6: and they loaded up before the season. And I would 282 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 6: argue that before the season they had they had ten 283 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 6: starters penculled in they would probably all of them would 284 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 6: start in almost every rotation in baseball. So I think 285 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 6: they looked at last year's team, despite the fact that 286 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 6: they won the World Series with primarily relievers, like you 287 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 6: said earlier, and they said, we don't know that that's sustainable, 288 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 6: and so, you know, they go out they put an 289 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 6: incredibly talented rotation together and then you know, like I said, 290 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 6: Snell was. He basically pitched I think seven he's something 291 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 6: inning during the regular season, and so they had the 292 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 6: they had the ability to not push him and maybe 293 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 6: went through some dead arm stuff and just when you're 294 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 6: when you're that good and you have that kind of 295 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 6: depth and you have that kind of you know, the 296 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 6: reality is they were going to be in the playoffs. 297 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 6: So what you do is you have you have the 298 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:21,120 Speaker 6: ability to let snow get completely healthy and then he's 299 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:25,160 Speaker 6: peaking at the end of the season and rolling into 300 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 6: the playoffs pitching better than I've ever seen me. His command, 301 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 6: you know, he's struggled with walks, uh, you know, in 302 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 6: his career, and that's always kind of been a little 303 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:35,360 Speaker 6: bit of his bugaboo that he has to come out 304 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 6: early in the games because he throws so many pitches. 305 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 6: But he's throwing strikes. He's pitching the high nineties. He's 306 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 6: got a slider and a curve and a changeup that 307 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 6: he's pitching he's using more and so I mean, he's 308 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 6: he's been dominant. And then you know, like I said, 309 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 6: they've got they've got a lot of a lot of 310 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 6: good options in the rotation. I've always thought Doug if 311 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 6: you're you're starting pitching is good, you have a great 312 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 6: chance to win. Now there's been some some bullpenning, and 313 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 6: you know, there's been some a little bit of a 314 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 6: little bit of you know, some of the opener stuff 315 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 6: and maybe some some things, and philosophy has changed a bit, 316 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,120 Speaker 6: and I think people looked at the Dodgers last year 317 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 6: and said, well, you know, you can win the World 318 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 6: Series with a good bullpen. But I've always thought that 319 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 6: the team you start with the rotation, and that's where 320 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 6: you build around. 321 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 1: Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. What's amazing 322 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: about the Dodgers two games to none lead is that 323 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:37,919 Speaker 1: they've done it with limited help from Mookie and just 324 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 1: one hit from show Hay right that ground ball would 325 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:43,159 Speaker 1: score to run. Let's start with show Hay. Why is 326 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 1: he struggling? What are they doing to cause the greatest 327 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: hitter in the game to struggle so far through too? 328 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 6: You know, he looks a little in between. I don't 329 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 6: know if people understand what that means. It looks to 330 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 6: me like he's a little late on the fastball. He's 331 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 6: he's a little out in front of the off speed. 332 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 6: So I think they pitched him enough back and forth, 333 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 6: was starting him with off speed or starting with his fastball, 334 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 6: pitching him in, pitching him up, pitching him down. I 335 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 6: think they've done a really good job of of moving 336 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,199 Speaker 6: the ball around on him. And he just looks to 337 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 6: me like, uh, he's a little off on his approach. 338 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 6: And then now it looks like it's in his head 339 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 6: a little bit, and so I I last night he 340 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:24,679 Speaker 6: took a swing on a high fastball that you just 341 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:28,439 Speaker 6: don't see him do very often, and his look on 342 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 6: his face was that of a hitter that I know 343 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:34,640 Speaker 6: that face very well of. I'm a little lost. I'm 344 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 6: in my own dome, like I'm thinking too much. You know, 345 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 6: it looks like he's getting pitches right now to where 346 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 6: you know, obviously when hitters are really good, their their 347 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:47,919 Speaker 6: timing is ready for the fastball, and they're reacting to 348 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:50,679 Speaker 6: the off speed in a way that you know allows 349 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 6: their body to still hit both pitches. And it looked 350 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,120 Speaker 6: to me like he's he's a And you know, Doug, 351 00:19:56,240 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 6: I've heard that he's very much into He videos every swing. 352 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 6: He iPad is right there even during batting practice in 353 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 6: the cage, and so he's very meticulous with every thing 354 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 6: he takes and his mechanics, and sometimes that's you know, 355 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:16,439 Speaker 6: that served him well obviously, but sometimes you know, that 356 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 6: can get get in your head a little bit. You 357 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 6: start thinking about your mechanics and then the next thing 358 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,239 Speaker 6: you know, you're you're a little bit lost. But you know, 359 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,160 Speaker 6: these two starting pitchers have carried them and allowed those 360 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 6: guys to not have to do much offensively. 361 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 1: How how hard is that to fix when you're in 362 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: the series, Like, how do you if sum's in your 363 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: head right? Because I remember you had a time this 364 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: year when you went down, you helped out help Jackson 365 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 1: out again, he's different, he's a younger player. This is 366 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 1: you know, arguably the greatest to ever do it. How 367 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: long does it take to get that? Flush that out, 368 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: get out of your head? 369 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 6: You know it? It's one swing, you know, he'd I 370 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 6: think he has a heart single RBI single late in 371 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 6: the game yesterday. It's you know, for him, you know, 372 00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 6: when you're talking about just a brilliant talent combined with 373 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 6: you know, obviously someone whose mental attitudes is off the 374 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 6: charts as well. I mean, I'd be surprised if if 375 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 6: he doesn't get hot, you know, That's the one thing 376 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 6: about the Dodgers. They they're all they're you know, they're 377 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 6: they're they're they're m vps. Haven't even got hot yet, 378 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:20,679 Speaker 6: and they're still you know, sort of running through the 379 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 6: playoffs with with starting pitching and and some of their 380 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 6: unsung heroes coming up with big hits. And it feels 381 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 6: it feels a lot like an easy Dodger World Series championship. 382 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 6: And I'm sure Jay stew is cringing as I say that, 383 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 6: but that's what it feels like. I thought the Phillies 384 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 6: Dodgers series to me was the two best teams. And 385 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 6: I still feel that way. 386 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:53,160 Speaker 1: Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, Okay, what 387 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 1: what about? What can the Brewers do right? Like it did? 388 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: It felt inevitable the last two nights because the start pitching. 389 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:05,199 Speaker 1: Now you got show Hay right much easier if you 390 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: were to Yeah, I know how much Burth thinks. If 391 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 1: you've used to call you and say, Matt, what should 392 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: we do? What's your advice? 393 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 6: You know, there's at this point to see and they 394 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 6: just kind of have to be who they are, right. 395 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,880 Speaker 6: Try to get on base, try to try to hit 396 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,360 Speaker 6: and run trying to maybe move move the ball around 397 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 6: a little bit, try to put some people in motion, 398 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 6: and try to try to make it hard on the Dodgers. 399 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,640 Speaker 6: As far as putting a little pressure on them, Uh, look, 400 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,199 Speaker 6: they don't. They don't have a gut of guys that 401 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 6: can hit homers. I mean, they have a few guys 402 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 6: that can sprinkle. You know, They've they've got you know, 403 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,239 Speaker 6: Yellows hit twenty nine, I think, and in Turio has 404 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 6: shown some good power. But you know, when you look 405 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 6: at their lineup, they're they're gonna have to to find 406 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,719 Speaker 6: ways to steal base and do things that they did 407 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,959 Speaker 6: all year, which is which is how they they've won games. 408 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,479 Speaker 6: But I mean, the bottom line is they got to hit. 409 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,360 Speaker 6: I mean they're you know, obviously going up against those 410 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,880 Speaker 6: two starters, it's it's I mean, I'm not sure any 411 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 6: lineup would ahead of much success, but they have to hit. 412 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:04,679 Speaker 6: They have to take a little pressure off their pitching. 413 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 6: It's hard when you're your your rotation and your your 414 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 6: relievers know that you can't give up many runs because 415 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 6: you're having a hard time scoring. So there's nothing much 416 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 6: you can say, I think right now, Doug, other than 417 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 6: just keep keep plugging away and uh and go out 418 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 6: there and maybe try to scratch a run early, a 419 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 6: little pressure on on the Dodgers and see if they 420 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 6: can't get a little momentum pushed back in their favor. 421 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 1: What's your reaction to the Mariners dominance on the road 422 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: of the of the Blue Jays. 423 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,360 Speaker 6: I am a little surprised. I mean, the Blue Jays 424 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 6: played really really well at home, so I'm kind of 425 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 6: surprised that they went in there and took too But 426 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 6: you know, they're hot. You know that that that game. 427 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 6: Sometimes those long games, extra in games, sometimes that can 428 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 6: come zapt you of energy. And then sometimes that really 429 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 6: can like propel you into like, oh, this is our year. 430 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,400 Speaker 6: You know, this is this is our you know, we've 431 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 6: got the we've got the mojo, this is this is uh, 432 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 6: this is going to be you know, I think that 433 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 6: they they're really building off of that game five against 434 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 6: Detroit and and took it into Toronto, and you know, 435 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 6: it's one of the you know baseball like they've been 436 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 6: getting runs early in the game and and uh, and 437 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 6: that puts a lot of pressure in the postseason, you 438 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 6: just start to press a little bit. And and uh, 439 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 6: I am surprised. I didn't think that they would they 440 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 6: would win both in Toronto. 441 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:34,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it wasn't close. And again the difference is 442 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: starting pitching right, like their starting pitching got lit both games, 443 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 1: you know, Brewers starting pitching. Actually Game one was good 444 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: but didn't extend them. Hey, let me let me circle 445 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 1: back to the to the to the Dodgers just for 446 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 1: a second game, one ninth inning, two run lead. Would 447 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 1: you have put Snell back out there? Well, one hundred 448 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: and three pitches. 449 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 6: You know, I I just think that the way his 450 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:09,360 Speaker 6: season has gone, I look, I mean, yes, I think. 451 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,479 Speaker 6: You know, if a guy's rolling, and the thing that 452 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,879 Speaker 6: sometimes for me is how easy he's getting the team out. 453 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 6: And he was getting them out like seemingly without sweating 454 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 6: like it was. It looked like he was just like 455 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 6: whatever pitch he wanted and whatever count he wanted it, 456 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 6: and he was just locked in. And so for me, 457 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 6: it's it's hard to take that guy out now if 458 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 6: you know it's the seventh and eighth inning. Uh, he 459 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 6: was laboring a little bit and the pitch count was 460 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 6: high in one of those innings, but he seemed to 461 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 6: be getting better as he was going. But I don't 462 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 6: know what his pitch count high this year has been. 463 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 6: Like I said, he's only thrown I think only threw 464 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 6: seventy some innings in the regular season. So I think 465 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 6: you have to be you have to be a little 466 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 6: bit cautious for his next start, because you know, you're 467 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 6: you're at this point, you're thinking, we're gonna make it 468 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,360 Speaker 6: to the World Series. And if he goes out there 469 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 6: and I let him throw one hundred and twenty pitches 470 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 6: in him four days, he's super sore or you know, 471 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,399 Speaker 6: I have to some comes down with triceps tight or 472 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 6: and then all of a sudden, you know, it screws 473 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 6: up your plans for the World Series. So I mean, look, 474 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 6: I think you can look at it both ways. But 475 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 6: Dave Roberts knows, you know, obviously he's with them every 476 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 6: day and he knows the ins and out so and 477 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,160 Speaker 6: then you know, the next night he lets he lets 478 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 6: the other guy throw the whole game. So I think 479 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 6: it probably has more to do with with Snells, maybe 480 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:40,919 Speaker 6: just this this season and the way that you know, 481 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 6: maybe he's had a little bit of dead arm at 482 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 6: times and they've had to they've had to work around 483 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,440 Speaker 6: some some injury stuff that probably kept him from sending 484 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:50,159 Speaker 6: him back out. 485 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 1: Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, so 486 00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 1: what what can we learn, Like, what can we learn 487 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 1: from this baseball for future years? 488 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 7: Like? 489 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,400 Speaker 1: Right, like the Brewers are they play mostly small ball, 490 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:14,199 Speaker 1: really athletic, tremendous defensively, right, and they've they they've been 491 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 1: able to withstand injuries the past two years to get here. 492 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,440 Speaker 1: The Dodgers, Right, they went from their bullpen being their 493 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 1: secret to now being their their secret sauce to now 494 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: being starting pitching at least in this series. And then 495 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 1: they just have an overwhelming lineup. Then you have the 496 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,439 Speaker 1: Mariners and who make a late season acquisition for a 497 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: big home run hitter that seems to put them over 498 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,360 Speaker 1: the top. Then obviously they got the Blue Jays as well. 499 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:42,120 Speaker 1: What's the takeaway? Like, where are we with baseball outside 500 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,359 Speaker 1: of the Dodgers and they're seeming dominance that that's a 501 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: trend that other people are going to copy. 502 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I think there's I think for me, 503 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 6: what it says is there's a lot of ways to win. 504 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 6: I mean, I think there's a lot of ways to 505 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 6: build teams that can get to this point. I mean, 506 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 6: I think you can build a starting pitching. I think 507 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,439 Speaker 6: you know you have enough offense. The Mariners have had 508 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 6: great starting pitching the last few years, but just haven't 509 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,160 Speaker 6: quite quite enough offense. Well they you know, Cal Rawly 510 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:12,239 Speaker 6: hit sixty hummers, they get Sorez back, Rose Arena has 511 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,959 Speaker 6: a good season. Now all of a sudden, they're scoring 512 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 6: some runs tied with their good pitching. So blue Jays 513 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 6: blue Jays are. They've won a lot of games on 514 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 6: in a lot of different ways. I think they've been 515 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 6: good in all areas. I don't think they've necessarily been great, 516 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,640 Speaker 6: but you know, when you have a guy like Laddie 517 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 6: and then you got Lashett who I think led the 518 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 6: American League hits but obviously hasn't been in postseason. But 519 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 6: they've got a couple of superstars. So I think I 520 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 6: think you can build teams differently. Like you said earlier, 521 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 6: the Dodgers won last year with bullpen. This year that 522 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 6: they're winning was starting pitching. So I think how you 523 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 6: build your team and then like your core and then 524 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 6: kind of building around that is interesting because I do 525 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 6: think that there's different philosophies and obviously how much money 526 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 6: you have. You know, Brewers don't have the money the 527 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 6: Dodgers have, so they have to build their team a 528 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 6: little differently, but it is effective. And I think that's 529 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 6: the fun part about these smaller markets is they have 530 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 6: to figure out how to beat somebody like the Dodgers, 531 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 6: who can, you know, spend whatever they want. So I 532 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 6: think it's fun based on a fun game in that 533 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 6: there's just a lot of different ways to build a 534 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 6: good team. 535 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: Matt, you're the best, Bud. I appreciate you joining us. 536 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 1: We'll see what these series look like. Is right now 537 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 1: they're two games done with the home teams returning. With 538 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 1: that leads, we may be all West Coast series with 539 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: the Mariners and the Dodgers. Appreciate you being our guest. 540 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 1: We'll talk real soon, good Doctor. 541 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug 542 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 2: Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific. 543 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 1: Doug gott Leeb Show. We're on Fox Sports Radio. Be 544 00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: sure to check out the new YouTube channel for the show. 545 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 1: Just search Doug Gottlieb Show on YouTube. Again, that's Doug 546 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 1: Gottlieb Show. Be sure to hit the subscribe button and 547 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 1: don't just stop there, hit the thumbs up icon and 548 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 1: comment to wait, let me know if you agree with 549 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: my takes. If you absolutely hate them, check out a 550 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 1: brand new channel on YouTube again. Just search Doug Gottlieb 551 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 1: Show and subscribe. Let's get to a game. 552 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 2: This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show. 553 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 9: ISLO, what's the game today, Doug, we vow that you 554 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:32,719 Speaker 9: will enjoy this game? 555 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 2: For Better or Worse? 556 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 7: All right? 557 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 9: First item of business, Doug, for Better or Worse as 558 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 9: an NFL MVP candidate right now, Patrick Mahomes or Baker Mayfield. 559 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: Uh, Baker Mayfield, Baker Mayfield. 560 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 9: I'm in agreement there. Next item, expanding on what we 561 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 9: talked about at the beginning of the show, for Better 562 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:07,479 Speaker 9: or Worse the eight inning one hit performance on the 563 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 9: mound by Blake Snell or the complete game three hit 564 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 9: outing by Yoshinobu Yamamoto. 565 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Blake Snell's. He faced the minimum 566 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 1: batters and then he picked off the one batter that 567 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: got on base. 568 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 9: So Blake Snell onto something a little more specifically in 569 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 9: your Bailey Wick, and that's college basketball for Better or Worse? 570 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 1: Bailey Wick. Huh. 571 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 9: Yeah, I didn't even didn't even have to look that 572 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 9: one up. By the way, all right, better or worse 573 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 9: college basketball coaching career John Caliperi or Bill. 574 00:31:53,280 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: Self, Bill self? Not close? Really okay, not close, not close. 575 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: Seals won two national championships. He's won one. He also 576 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 1: Bill self also both of his championship for comebacks, and 577 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 1: one was against John Caliperry. Now, now coach cal can 578 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: try and hey, you know, I'm about the NBA and 579 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 1: giving these kids a great life. That's great, that's great. 580 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 1: I actually think he is about that in a lot 581 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 1: of ways. But I mean you said coaching career. I 582 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 1: think it's close. 583 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 9: And by the way, a preview of coming attractions, isn't 584 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 9: that uh coming up for you November Kansas? 585 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: Sure? All right? But the Jayhawks, Ah, sounds like fun? 586 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 9: Huh well, Alan field House. 587 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 1: No, I mean that's that's It's like, it's like, what 588 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 1: what whatever you've experienced. I tell our guys all the time, 589 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 1: whenever you've experienced as a player, ten exit and that's 590 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 1: what the place, that's the place. It's the best place. Yeah, 591 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 1: you know, I think Duke is awesome. There are other places. 592 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 1: Duke is probably a one B or two A. But 593 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 1: I think that baug Allen's the best. The historic nature 594 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 1: of it. You know, you have the rules of basketball, 595 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 1: the guy who invented basketball. Coach there. 596 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 9: Amazing, good old doctor Naysmith. I don't know if it's 597 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 9: like this for you or others, But for some reason, 598 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 9: I just like the fact that light from the outside 599 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 9: gets in the field house. For some reason, that just 600 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 9: adds Yeah, that just adds another dimension to me. All Right, 601 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:49,960 Speaker 9: So we got better or worse for college basketball coaches. 602 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 9: I'm gonna throw on at you in light of this. 603 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 9: Russell Westbrook news Sacramento King signing him to a one 604 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 9: year deal. It'll be his eighteenth season, his seventh team 605 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 9: in the last eight years. For better or worse as 606 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 9: a playing career, Russell Westbrook or James Harden. 607 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 1: Who's had a better playing career? Yeah, I'd say James Harden. 608 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,440 Speaker 1: I'd say James Harden. Okay, that's a hard one. That's 609 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 1: a really good one. I don't think either are championship 610 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:28,320 Speaker 1: caliber players. Yeah, but they both had amazing careers and 611 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 1: they've both been MVPs O. I'm gonna go James Harden, 612 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 1: but I could be sold that I'm wrong there. 613 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 9: Yeah, no, that's a really interesting one, all right. And 614 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:42,760 Speaker 9: our final item on this edition of For Better or Worse, 615 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:48,479 Speaker 9: I'm going to ask you to compare a current head 616 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,799 Speaker 9: coaching opening in the National Football League with a potential 617 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 9: potential head coaching opening in the NFL, both out of 618 00:34:55,480 --> 00:35:00,839 Speaker 9: the AFC. For Better or Worse, the actual current head 619 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,760 Speaker 9: coaching opening with the Tennessee Titans, or the potential potential 620 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 9: potential head coaching opening with another AFC team, the Miami Dolphins, 621 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 9: which is the more attractive. 622 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 1: One Tennessee Titans because you have your quarterback of the future, 623 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 1: whereas I if you if Mike mcdam's gets fired, then 624 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:26,760 Speaker 1: to a they probably clean house with the whole front office. 625 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,720 Speaker 1: I think it's Tennessee. Tennessee opens a new stadium next 626 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:35,399 Speaker 1: I think next year. Yes, they have a quarterback. It's 627 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 1: a division you can win in. You can flip it 628 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 1: pretty quickly in. I'm gonna go Tennessee Titans. 629 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,279 Speaker 9: And by the way, along along those lines, speaking of 630 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 9: the Tennessee Miami Dolphins dynamic, remember those comments that to 631 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,320 Speaker 9: a tongue I Loa made after Sunday's loss to the 632 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,799 Speaker 9: Chargers when he called out his teammates for showing up 633 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 9: late to players only meetings or missing them entirely. Well, 634 00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,400 Speaker 9: just moments ago, he actually publicly apologized for that. 635 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 7: Duck. 636 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:01,839 Speaker 9: So I'll play that for you right now. 637 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 10: I've made a mistake. I'm owning up to that right now. 638 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 10: You know. For for myself, I got to look at 639 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,439 Speaker 10: myself as as the leader protecting the team. I don't 640 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 10: feel like I did that. I let the emotions of 641 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,719 Speaker 10: the game get to me after the game, and what 642 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,799 Speaker 10: happens in house should be protected. Want to publicly apologize 643 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:19,239 Speaker 10: about that. 644 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 9: So that was two a tongue of Iolo moments ago, 645 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,400 Speaker 9: and that is a footnote to this complete game of 646 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:30,640 Speaker 9: for better or worse, this. 647 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 2: Is game time on the Dug Gottlieb Show. 648 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 1: You didn't know it was supposed. 649 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 9: To stay in house, like what he does now. 650 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,279 Speaker 1: I you know he just went walking cliche there like, 651 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,120 Speaker 1: but you didn't know you were supposed to keep it 652 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:54,279 Speaker 1: in house, Tua. Really the emotions of the game, you 653 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 1: weren't emotional. You were a matter of fact about it. 654 00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,839 Speaker 1: And as I said, he is should be the leader 655 00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 1: of this team. And so in saying it's about the leadership, well, 656 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:10,080 Speaker 1: that's you. The whole episode was just strange, really strange. 657 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,480 Speaker 1: Do we decide a no midway today because of no buyer? 658 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:14,960 Speaker 1: Is that what we did? 659 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 7: That we're moving forward without it. It's just it's not 660 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 7: a pure midway, you know, pure midway. 661 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,879 Speaker 1: Okay, check out our brand new show on YouTube. Okay, 662 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:27,759 Speaker 1: just go to Doug Gottlip Show on YouTube again. That's 663 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 1: Doug Gotlip Show. Be sure to hit the subscribe button. 664 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,239 Speaker 1: You don't just stop there, hit the thumbs up icon 665 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,600 Speaker 1: and come away. Let me know if you agree or disagree. 666 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,000 Speaker 1: Might takes, You might hate him, you might love him, 667 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:36,719 Speaker 1: don't care. Just check out the brand new channel on 668 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,680 Speaker 1: YouTube again, search Doug Gottlieb Show and subscribe. Okay, coming 669 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:42,279 Speaker 1: up next to The Doug Gottlieb Show, what is the 670 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,640 Speaker 1: one college football storyline that has grabbed your attention most 671 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,759 Speaker 1: this season? We'll share ours in the midway next to 672 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 1: The Doug Gottlieb Show