Speaker 1: Welcome.
Speaker 2: It is Verdict with Senator Ted Kruz Ben Ferguson with you.
Speaker 2: We have a jam packed show for you today that
Speaker 2: includes two big stories that deal with Israel, specifically in
Speaker 2: a shock of Democrats demanding conditional aid to Israel if
Speaker 2: they do certain things that would actually help Hamas. We're
Speaker 2: going to deal with that. Plus, Hunter Biden is cracked
Speaker 2: out demanding new things from Congress. His new demands that
Speaker 2: are pretty funny. We'll explain those, but before we get
Speaker 2: to that, on a serious note, Senator you and several
Speaker 2: other senators, today we're able to sit down and watch
Speaker 2: some of the horrific videos of the attack that Israel
Speaker 2: on Israel by Hamas. I want you to walk us
Speaker 2: through this because it's important that people understand just how barbaric,
Speaker 2: how well thought out, how well planned, how orchestrated, and
Speaker 2: how these Jihadis trained in Iran to prepare for this attack.
Speaker 1: Well, that's right. So it is right now eleven thirty
Speaker 1: two pm on Tuesday night, and so we're recording this
Speaker 1: at the end of the day Tuesday. I started the
Speaker 1: day at nine am in a room in the Capitol
Speaker 1: watching a video and the video consists of forty six
Speaker 1: minutes of footage raw video that the Government of Israel
Speaker 1: is compiled, and most of the footage is from either
Speaker 1: body cameras that hamas terrorists were wearing, or from their
Speaker 1: cell phones that they were wearing, or in some instances,
Speaker 1: from security cameras that were set up in different people's
Speaker 1: homes that filmed what was happening. And it was we
Speaker 1: watched one hundred and thirty eight people being murdered. Wow,
Speaker 1: it was. It was horrible. Look, I mean, I will
Speaker 1: say there were about fifty seve in the room, so
Speaker 1: about half the Senate came to watch. And I was
Speaker 1: glad of that. And there were a fair number of
Speaker 1: Democrats in the room. I was glad in particular the
Speaker 1: Democrats were seeing this. I will say, look, it's one
Speaker 1: thing to watch, like an action movie, to watch Rambo
Speaker 1: or John Wick and you see lots of people being
Speaker 1: shot and it's you know, it's Hollywood. What was horrifying
Speaker 1: about this is this was real people being murdered in
Speaker 1: real time. And it was one after the other after
Speaker 1: the other. It was wanton, it was it was directed.
Speaker 1: Any civilian they saw, they just came up and just
Speaker 1: began firing shots at him, firing There were several things
Speaker 1: that were horrifying, but one of the most horrifying aspects
Speaker 1: was the joy that the Hamas terrorists expressed as they
Speaker 1: were murdering, as they were shooting little children, as they
Speaker 1: shooting women, as they were shooting just any civilian they saw.
Speaker 1: As they were gunning down teenagers at the music festival.
Speaker 1: They're laughing, they're cheering. They're saying Allah Akbar, God is great,
Speaker 1: God is great, God is great, they said over and
Speaker 1: over and over again, as they're just murdering people, and
Speaker 1: there's there's a joy that the the raw hatred. We
Speaker 1: saw them with a knife cutting the head off of
Speaker 1: a corpse of a man, just sawing his head off,
Speaker 1: and it's watching someone being beheaded. Thankfully, that man was
Speaker 1: dead already, so at least he wasn't alive while he
Speaker 1: was being beheaded, but they sawed his head off and
Speaker 1: took his head as a as a trophy that We
Speaker 1: saw footage of the terrorists desecrating bodies, playing with They
Speaker 1: would they would sever heads and play with the heads.
Speaker 1: We saw them dragging dead bodies of Jews into Gaza
Speaker 1: and they throw them in the public square, and just
Speaker 1: a mob would descend and kicking, punching and beat the
Speaker 1: dead body. They were cheering in joys and celebration. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you, Ben, that the most disturbing thing that I
Speaker 1: saw in the video was actually audio, and it was
Speaker 1: audio of a cell phone conversation that the Israelis intercepted,
Speaker 1: and it was a Hamas terrorist who was calling home
Speaker 1: to his parents in Gaza. And first he talks to
Speaker 1: his dad and he says in Arabic, he says, Dad,
Speaker 1: I just killed ten with my bare hands. I killed
Speaker 1: ten with my bare hands. And he's so proud and
Speaker 1: he's bragging, and his father is proud of him, and
Speaker 1: he's bragging. He says over and over again, I killed
Speaker 1: ten with my bare hands. And then he says, let
Speaker 1: me talk to mom, let me talk to mom, and
Speaker 1: his mother gets on the phone and he repeats again
Speaker 1: his I killed ten Jews with my bare hands. I
Speaker 1: killed them. I killed them, I killed them, I killed them,
Speaker 1: and his mother is joyously crying. I gotta say, Ben.
Speaker 2: Like they're celebrating it, that's what you're saying. This is
Speaker 2: like a celebration of like winning a football game, except
Speaker 2: they're actually mass murdering people.
Speaker 1: Listen, the level of absolute hate in warfare. If you
Speaker 1: have a war, let's say you have the Ukraine War
Speaker 1: and the Russians and Ukrainians are shooting at each other,
Speaker 1: there may be a day when a Russian soldier or
Speaker 1: a Ukrainian soldier, let's say they shoot ten soldiers on
Speaker 1: the other side. I cannot imagine someone calling their mom
Speaker 1: and joyously describing I just killed ten people today, much
Speaker 1: less the people they're killing. They're not opposing soldiers in
Speaker 1: a war. They're civilians, they're women, they're little children that
Speaker 1: they're gunning down. And I want you to think about
Speaker 1: how just twisted the racist, vicious anti Semitic hate is
Speaker 1: that's inculcated in Hamas. And most of these Hamas terrorists
Speaker 1: that they're teenagers there. They're in their early twenties. They're
Speaker 1: young Palestinians in Hamas, and they are thrilled when they
Speaker 1: murder someone. They stop and say, take a selfie with me.
Speaker 1: By the way, you also have idiots on college campuses
Speaker 1: and and other morons on in the global media denying
Speaker 1: these atrocities happen. Look, most of this video was filmed
Speaker 1: by Hamas. They are proud of it. They want the
Speaker 1: world to know what they did. And they photographed it,
Speaker 1: they took videos of it, and you see them like
Speaker 1: they go through a room and they're like some dead bodies,
Speaker 1: but if something's not dead, they're like, shoot them in
Speaker 1: the head, shoot them in the head, and I'll tell
Speaker 1: you something else. That was really disconcerting. Repeatedly, the Hamas
Speaker 1: terrorists number one, they referred to Israelis over and over
Speaker 1: again as dogs. That's what they called him. Your dogs,
Speaker 1: your dogs, your dogs. But they also repeatedly referred to
Speaker 1: Israelis as it, not he or she it. And this
Speaker 1: was multiple Hamas terrorists. It's over forty six minutes, so
Speaker 1: it's lots of little videos that that that were spliced together,
Speaker 1: but you'd have multiple Hamas terrorists saying things like it's dead,
Speaker 1: it's dead, grab it, and I gotta say it. It
Speaker 1: reminded me of the dehumanization of Jews by the Nazis,
Speaker 1: that that that that they have been so inculcated in
Speaker 1: vicious hatred that they are convinced that Jews are not people.
Speaker 1: They're not women, they're not men, they're not children, they're
Speaker 1: it's and and and they're dogs, and it was to
Speaker 1: see it. Listen, I've lived fifty two, almost fifty three
Speaker 1: years on planet Earth. I've never had a day where
Speaker 1: I've seen over one hundred and thirty people murdered in
Speaker 1: front of my eyes. And that's how today began.
Speaker 2: Explain how all of this transpired of the video being
Speaker 2: put together? Who did that?
Speaker 1: Who put this together?
Speaker 2: For you guys as senators, this obviously wasn't classified. It
Speaker 2: sounds encouraging that about fifty percent of the Senate showed up.
Speaker 2: It also, to me is discouraging that the other fifty
Speaker 2: percent did not show up. Should every senator have watched this?
Speaker 2: Do they not have an obligation to watching it, to
Speaker 2: see it, to understand it, to realize what happened on
Speaker 2: that day, and why did some of me not show up?
Speaker 2: And how was this put together?
Speaker 1: So look, this was grotesque and horrible. I felt physically sick.
Speaker 1: I wanted to vomit in the room, being abject terror.
Speaker 1: You're seeing a level of evil that I've never seen before.
Speaker 1: And by the way, the one hundred and thirty plus
Speaker 1: people who were murdered on these videos, that's about ten
Speaker 1: percent of the Israelis that were murdered on October seventh,
Speaker 1: they killed over twelve hundred, so that is right about
Speaker 1: ten percent of the people who murdered that They have videos,
Speaker 1: So this is it's a collection of videos that the
Speaker 1: Israeli government put together and so a lot of them
Speaker 1: are ones they got from Hamas social media. So a
Speaker 1: lot of this Hamas posted this like they're proud of it,
Speaker 1: they're celebrating what they did. Some of this they got
Speaker 1: from Hamas cell phones. Some of this they got from
Speaker 1: victim cell phones. So there are images of victim cell
Speaker 1: phones where for example, you have a bunch of Israelis
Speaker 1: hiding in a closet and terrified, saying they're coming, they're coming,
Speaker 1: and you see them covered with blood. That there's videos,
Speaker 1: some of them. A couple of the snippets in this
Speaker 1: video have been on Twitter. So for example, they're video
Speaker 1: of a relatively young Israeli woman I'd say probably early twenties,
Speaker 1: wearing gray sweatpants, where her entire crotch area is covered.
Speaker 1: It is soaked in blood, and it is obvious from
Speaker 1: the blood that is both in the rear and the
Speaker 1: front of a crotch area that this young woman has
Speaker 1: been violently violently raped and probably raped with with four
Speaker 1: and eye. The quantity of the blood suggests major bleeding.
Speaker 1: And this woman is being like thrown in a truck
Speaker 1: and being taken as a hostage. So after she was
Speaker 1: violently raped, she was taken as a hostage. You see
Speaker 1: lots of people taking as hostage and the joy of
Speaker 1: the terrorists. So the way it was shown, the Israeli
Speaker 1: government put it together, and that they spliced it together,
Speaker 1: and it's as I said, it's from Hamas social media,
Speaker 1: it's from Hamas cell phones, it's from victim social media,
Speaker 1: it's from victim cell phones. There were a number of
Speaker 1: videos from security cam, security footage like in someone's home
Speaker 1: if they have a security camera. There were footage of
Speaker 1: the terrorists coming in, the terrorists going into a kindergarten,
Speaker 1: shooting a teacher, and there were also footage from first
Speaker 1: responders who came in after, so after the attack happened,
Speaker 1: they came in and for example, in the music festival,
Speaker 1: you know, the music festival Hamas terrorists came in on
Speaker 1: paragliders and with machine guns murdered a couple of hundred,
Speaker 1: mostly young people, who were at an outdoor music festival.
Speaker 1: And like the first responders walking through, there were just
Speaker 1: dozens of bodies, like in an area behind behind the
Speaker 1: like coke machines, not coke machines, but sort of soda
Speaker 1: fountains where they were serving drinks, and you could see
Speaker 1: that people were hiding. They were hiding behind the counters.
Speaker 1: And this was a first responder video, so we don't
Speaker 1: know how those people were murdered, but presumably terrorists came
Speaker 1: in with machine guns and just shot one after the
Speaker 1: other after the other as they were hiding. There was
Speaker 1: also at the music festival, there was a whole line
Speaker 1: of porta potties. You know, probably I don't know, twenty
Speaker 1: or thirty porta parties. This was a big outdoor music festival,
Speaker 1: so it was a place for people to go to
Speaker 1: the restroom. And the hamas terrasts walk down all the
Speaker 1: porta potties have the doors closed, and they walk down
Speaker 1: and they shoot multiple bullets through the doors of each
Speaker 1: porta potty, and you know, they're obviously assuming and we
Speaker 1: didn't actually see someone killed in the porta potty, but
Speaker 1: we did see one of the porta potties with just
Speaker 1: blood smeared all throughout. So obviously at least one person
Speaker 1: was hiding in there and was murdered, and it was
Speaker 1: just so this was put together by the Israeli government.
Speaker 1: They have shown it to multiple people in the Senate.
Speaker 1: The people who displayed it for the other senators were
Speaker 1: Marco Rubio and Jackie Rosen. Marco Rubio is the ranking
Speaker 1: member on the Intelligence Committee. Jackie Rosen. I don't know
Speaker 1: why the two of them were the ones showing it,
Speaker 1: but they decided to show it, and as I said,
Speaker 1: about half the senators came listen. People were really you know,
Speaker 1: senators are a pretty garrulous bunch. They're they're often joking,
Speaker 1: they're talking. People walking out of it were in tears,
Speaker 1: like it was. It was horrifying to see, and like
Speaker 1: when we filed out of the room, the room was silent,
Speaker 1: like no one was speaking. It was just like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, what did I just watch? And I believe
Speaker 1: we had a responsibility to watch it. I did not
Speaker 1: want to watch this footage, but I felt like it
Speaker 1: is my responsibility to know what happened and also to
Speaker 1: be able to tell people what happened, and so it
Speaker 1: I think it's impt the senators who didn't watch it.
Speaker 1: I would encourage every one of them, you need to
Speaker 1: watch it. And I'll tell you, I hope the Israeli
Speaker 1: government releases this footage just universally. They've right now, they've
Speaker 1: kept it confidential. So it was not a classified briefing,
Speaker 1: but it was in a room in the capital that's
Speaker 1: sort of right. It's right next to the skiff, which
Speaker 1: is the UH secure classified area. And the rules were
Speaker 1: coming in that each of us had to check our
Speaker 1: cell phones that they did not want any of us
Speaker 1: to take a cell phone in. Presumably they didn't want
Speaker 1: any recordings. And I understand the sensitivity. Look, these are
Speaker 1: people being murdered and they want to be sensitive to
Speaker 1: the victims. And I'm I fully get that. I will
Speaker 1: say on much of the footage, particularly with the children,
Speaker 1: there were lots of dead bodies. There were lots of
Speaker 1: corpses that were burned, that were horribly burned. We saw
Speaker 1: corpses of little children and infants that were burned or
Speaker 1: chris they were unrecogni issable. We saw bodies of adults burned,
Speaker 1: burned completely, many of them in their cars. They were
Speaker 1: chasing people down in their cars as they drove. They
Speaker 1: chased them down and just shoot and killed the driver
Speaker 1: in their car. That happened in a lot of different cars.
Speaker 1: The bodies that were just lining the streets. Like twelve
Speaker 1: hundred people murdered is a volume, and as I said,
Speaker 1: we only saw just over one hundred and thirty of it.
Speaker 2: But this is a massacre that took extreme number of
Speaker 2: people to pull it off. Because you know, as I
Speaker 2: was talking to one one person that.
Speaker 1: It was thousands of hamas terrasts.
Speaker 2: That, yes's and that's what it was described by me
Speaker 2: by something I talked to that is in the military
Speaker 2: in Israel. He said. The difference, he said, between what
Speaker 2: you guys went through a nine to eleven was it
Speaker 2: was massive explosions and the planes and the people of
Speaker 2: the buildings. This was hand to hand massacres, whereas it
Speaker 2: was described by him as it was up close and personal.
Speaker 2: You're shooting people from three four five feet away, You're
Speaker 2: grabbing people and then killing them. This was barbaric on
Speaker 2: a personal level. And I'm assuming that's what you, in
Speaker 2: essence had to witness today.
Speaker 1: So when I next talk with the Israeli government, I'm
Speaker 1: going to encourage them to release it publicly, and I
Speaker 1: am deeply sympathetic to wanting to respect the victims and
Speaker 1: the victims' families, but I think there's also an obligation
Speaker 1: to document this for history, much like if you go
Speaker 1: to the Holocaust Museum in DC, which it's an incredible museum. Look,
Speaker 1: it's horrifying because they show the utter horrors of what
Speaker 1: the Nazis did, and they document many of the victims,
Speaker 1: and it's valuable. You know, after the Holocaust, the phrase
Speaker 1: never again, it in order for that to mean something,
Speaker 1: you got to understand what happened. And so I think,
Speaker 1: you know, if you go to Israel Yad Vasham, which
Speaker 1: is the memorial again to the Holocaust, is a beautiful,
Speaker 1: beautiful museum, but it's horrifying. I mean you go through
Speaker 1: and you watch, you know, the Nazis did just grotesque,
Speaker 1: inhumane things. I mean they tortured and murdered people. They
Speaker 1: murdered six million Jews. They did things like they made
Speaker 1: lamp shades from human skin. I mean, the Nazis dehumanized
Speaker 1: the Jews as dogs, and it's just like the hamas terrorist.
Speaker 1: And what was so horrifying watching this video is this
Speaker 1: was no different than watching Nazis except this is twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three and not nineteen forty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you. I hope that the government
Speaker 2: of Israel will release it. And like you said, I'm
Speaker 2: glad that about fifty centers show up, but the other
Speaker 2: fifty need to see this as well. This shouldn't be
Speaker 2: a Republican or Democrat, conservative liberal thing. This is just
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Speaker 2: we're on the side of good and not on the
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Speaker 2: IR sentater. I think part of the reason why there
Speaker 2: are some in DC that don't want to see these
Speaker 2: videos is because it's going to put pressure on them
Speaker 2: to change their mindset or to realize that you can't
Speaker 2: live in a world where Hamas has power, or Hamas
Speaker 2: is in control of a government. For goodness sakes, there
Speaker 2: is new reporting coming out of Washington tonight that Biden
Speaker 2: is putting pressure on Israeli tactics that would in fact
Speaker 2: leave Hamas intact and in power after this ceasefire. Sources
Speaker 2: within the Israeli government have said to Breitbart News that
Speaker 2: the US President Joe Biden's pressure would lead to Hamas
Speaker 2: surviving the war intact, rather than allowing Israel to destroy
Speaker 2: Hamas or remove its military and governing capabilities. In recent days,
Speaker 2: the White House has acknowledged that Israel intends to continue
Speaker 2: fighting Hamas after the current pause sought by Biden to
Speaker 2: allow the release of hostages. As that ends later this week.
Speaker 2: The Israelis have been pretty clear quote unquote that once
Speaker 2: the pauses are complete and the hostage exchanges are over,
Speaker 2: that they intend to continue their military operations against Hamas.
Speaker 2: That's so, the White House Advisor John Kirby said on Monday. Also,
Speaker 2: to put it in perspective, the media has been claiming
Speaker 2: that Israel has been trading hostages. That's not true. Israel
Speaker 2: does not hold hostages. It is releasing convicted Palestinian terrorists
Speaker 2: to save the lives of those that were taken hostage.
Speaker 2: And so now we're at this pivotal moment center that
Speaker 2: makes me angry, especially after what you just described, that
Speaker 2: the Biden's goals may be changing, and Democrats are putting
Speaker 2: pressure to say, hey, let's figure out a way that
Speaker 2: we can coexist with Hamas and then maybe in power
Speaker 2: or even in leadership.
Speaker 1: Look, the left wing of the Democrat Party right now
Speaker 1: is profoundly anti Israel. We're seeing the House of Representatives
Speaker 1: with the squad, We're seeing just vicious anti Semitism. We're
Speaker 1: seeing it on college campuses across the country. The left
Speaker 1: wing of the Democrat Party, the cultural bar This is
Speaker 1: something I talk about extensively and in my brand new
Speaker 1: book Unwoke the Cultural Marxist. The book is how to
Speaker 1: defeat Cultural Marxism in America. And the cultural Marxists define Israel,
Speaker 1: they define Jews as oppressors, they define Palestinians as victims,
Speaker 1: and as a result, the radical left, they support the
Speaker 1: violent revolution of the victims against the so called oppressors.
Speaker 1: What that means for the White House. Listen, We've talked
Speaker 1: at length on this podcast about the hostage deal. I'm
Speaker 1: very very glad the hostages are being released. That's caused
Speaker 1: for celebration. The price of some fifty odd hostages being
Speaker 1: released is that Hamas is getting stronger, Hamas is recuperating,
Speaker 1: Hamas is restoring. It will be more difficult for Israel
Speaker 1: to defeat Hamas, and there likely will be IDF Israeli
Speaker 1: soldier casualties that will be higher because Hamas is stronger.
Speaker 1: That is a outcome. Israel is also releasing roughly one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty Palestinian prisoners who are convicted criminals. Many
Speaker 1: of them are convicted of terrorism. Some significant percentage of
Speaker 1: them will return to terrorism, and so there will be Israelis.
Speaker 1: There will be very possibly Americans who are murdered because
Speaker 1: those terrorists are being released. That's the downside of the deal.
Speaker 1: There's another downside of the deal, which is Israel is
Speaker 1: engaging in a temporary pause and they're doing it to
Speaker 1: bring their civilians home, to bring women and children home,
Speaker 1: and that is a wonderful thing. But as the pause continues,
Speaker 1: the leftists in the White House and in the corrupt
Speaker 1: corporate media and on the global stage will all pressure
Speaker 1: Israel do not resume fighting Hamas. Do not try to
Speaker 1: defeat Hamas, do not try to eradicate Hamas, do not
Speaker 1: try to eliminate Hamas. That is completely wrong. I believe
Speaker 1: Prime Minister Netanyahu when he said that Israel is going
Speaker 1: to utterly eliminate Hamas. We should stand with them. And
Speaker 1: I'll tell you look to give you a sense of
Speaker 1: just how fractured the Democrat party is. Right now. There
Speaker 1: is right now a vigorous and contentious debate among Senate Democrats.
Speaker 1: And the contentious debate is whether to condition military assistance
Speaker 1: to Israel on a set of demands concerning Gaza, and
Speaker 1: the people leading the charge are Bernie Sanders and Chris Murphy.
Speaker 1: But Bernie obviously is the socialist from Vermont. Chris Murphy
Speaker 1: is the extremely liberal Democrat from Connecticut. They are both
Speaker 1: rabidly left wing. Sanders has floated demands for Israel to
Speaker 1: end its quote indiscriminate bombing of Gaza. By the way,
Speaker 1: Israel is not engaged in indiscriminate bombing of Gaza, It's
Speaker 1: targeting terrorists. Sanders also wants to allow aid into the
Speaker 1: region and take other steps to quote lay the groundwork
Speaker 1: for a peaceful resolution to the conflict. Other left wingers.
Speaker 1: Senator Peter Welts, the other Democrat from Vermont, said we've
Speaker 1: got to have the debate. You can't have that many
Speaker 1: civilian casualties as a part of the Net and Yahoo
Speaker 1: war plan. Now, notice who the Democrats are targeting. It's
Speaker 1: not Hamas, it's not the terrorist, it's Net Yahoo, Net
Speaker 1: and Yaho's the bad guy. Why Because to the cultural
Speaker 1: Marxist Net and Yaho is the oppressor, and the Hamas
Speaker 1: terrorists who are gleefully beheading civilians and raping little girls,
Speaker 1: they're the victims. This debate is is vigorous, it is significant,
Speaker 1: it is it by by public reports, was really energetic
Speaker 1: in the Democrat conference. And they want and by the way,
Speaker 1: that they're not talking just about conditioning the emergency military
Speaker 1: aid to to Israel for the Maas war. They're talking
Speaker 1: about the military aid that that America regularly provides to Israel.
Speaker 1: So putting in pro Hamas restrictions, and that's what the
Speaker 1: left wing of the Democrat Party wants. Now, I will
Speaker 1: say there are some Democrats who are pushing back. So
Speaker 1: for example, Chris Coons from Delaware said, quote, I'm not
Speaker 1: sure that would come of that now, so he was
Speaker 1: pouring some cold water on that. Tim Kine from Virginia
Speaker 1: said quote, I don't think you're going to see conditionality.
Speaker 1: That's helpful. Mark Kelly, Democrat from Arizona, said quote, I
Speaker 1: think it's important to be clear here that Israel was
Speaker 1: violently attacked on October seventh, and they have a right
Speaker 1: to defend themselves. That's actually quite helpful. And Ben Cardon,
Speaker 1: who's right now the chairman of the Senate Formulations Committee,
Speaker 1: told reporters he is opposed to conditioning AID. Now that
Speaker 1: all of that is the Democrats who are pushing back,
Speaker 1: that is a good thing. But the fact that there
Speaker 1: are multiple left wing Democrats explicitly turning on Israel after
Speaker 1: the worst terror attack at Israel in a generation, it
Speaker 1: is just stunning and it's a sign of how radicalized
Speaker 1: today's Democrat parties become.
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Speaker 2: last question on Israel, and you mentioned these senators that
Speaker 2: are wavering in the Democrat On the Democratic side, you
Speaker 2: forced to vote before the recessover things giving for emergency
Speaker 2: funding for Israel stand alone, not tied to funding for
Speaker 2: Ukraine or any other portrayl project. It failed on a
Speaker 2: party line vote. You needed just one Democrat to switch over,
Speaker 2: not a single Democrat switched over to do the right thing.
Speaker 2: That was very telling as well about the Democratic Party
Speaker 2: right now. But where does that funding stand now? Is
Speaker 2: it still at a standstill or is it moving with
Speaker 2: other legislation?
Speaker 1: Where are we? It's a complete standstill. So the House
Speaker 1: has passed funding emergency military aid for Israel fourteen and
Speaker 1: a half a billion dollars. The House paid for it
Speaker 1: by rescinding fourteen and a half billion dollars of the
Speaker 1: additional funding Democrats had passed for the IRS to pay
Speaker 1: for eighty seven thousand new IRS agents. When it came
Speaker 1: to the Senate, Chuck Schumer initially said he would not
Speaker 1: allow the Senate to vote on what the House had passed,
Speaker 1: that emergency military aid for Israel was just not apparently
Speaker 1: a priority for Schumer. So I join with a number
Speaker 1: of other Republican senators two weeks ago and we used
Speaker 1: a special procedural tool to force a vote on the
Speaker 1: Senate floor. And you and I talked about this at
Speaker 1: length at the podcast two weeks ago where we explained
Speaker 1: what happened. We forced to vote through what's called filing
Speaker 1: a rogue cloture petition, and Democrats freaked out, but ultimately
Speaker 1: we had the vote, and it was astonishing. Every single Democrat,
Speaker 1: all of them, voted against emergency military aid to Israel.
Speaker 1: It was the day of the massive pro Israel march
Speaker 1: in Washington that I had gone to and participated in
Speaker 1: some three hundred thousand supporters of Israel on the mall.
Speaker 1: And there were Democrat senators who went to that march
Speaker 1: and then went to the Senate and voted against military
Speaker 1: aid for Israel. Now they did so because they knew
Speaker 1: the corporate media would never tell the voters about their vote.
Speaker 1: And I have not seen even a single story on CNN,
Speaker 1: on ABC, on NBC, on CBS, in the New York
Speaker 1: Times and the Washington Post. The corporate media simply disappeared
Speaker 1: it, it does not exist, because that they are propagandists. They
Speaker 1: do not want people to know that Chuck Schumer and
Speaker 1: the Democrats are blocking military aid to Israel. Now, why
Speaker 1: did they do that. They did so. Number one, because
Speaker 1: they are passionately committed to eighty seven thousand new IRS
Speaker 1: agents to harass their political enemies, to go after small
Speaker 1: businesses and families, and to raise more money for them
Speaker 1: to spend. And so they did not want any reduction
Speaker 1: in funding for their army of new IRS agents. But
Speaker 1: number two, they very cynically want to tie Israel funding
Speaker 1: to a Christmas list of other Democrat priorities, and top
Speaker 1: of the list is funding for Ukraine, which the Democrats
Speaker 1: really really want. And they want to tie funding for
Speaker 1: Ukraine to funding for Israel because they want to try
Speaker 1: to force Republicans to vote for it because we support Israel.
Speaker 1: They want to try to extract a blank check for
Speaker 1: Ukraine as the price for aid to Israel. That's really cynical.
Speaker 1: I think we need to take up and pass Israel
Speaker 1: funding on its own separately. But it says something that
Speaker 1: Schumer whipped the Democrats and all of them voted against
Speaker 1: military aid for Israel. And by the way, you know
Speaker 1: I talked a minute ago about the the left wing
Speaker 1: Senate Democrats pushing for conditioning aid to Israel on Gaza
Speaker 1: and on making concessions to Gaza and effectively to hamas well.
Speaker 1: On Friday of last week, Joe Biden at the press
Speaker 1: conference of the White House was asked about that. The
Speaker 1: question he was asked was, quote, mister President, there are
Speaker 1: members of your party who would like to see conditions
Speaker 1: placed on aid to Israel. What is your view on
Speaker 1: that they would like to see, you know, a reduction
Speaker 1: in the bombing and that sort of thing. And here
Speaker 1: was Joe Biden's answer, quote, well, I think that's a
Speaker 1: worthwhile thought. But I don't think if I started off
Speaker 1: with that that we have ever gotten to where we
Speaker 1: are today. We are having to take this a piece
Speaker 1: at a time. I want you to note Joe Biden
Speaker 1: from the White House said it is a quote worthwhile
Speaker 1: thought to condition aid to Israel. Now, he didn't embrace
Speaker 1: the idea, so that was good. He didn't go all
Speaker 1: the way to Bernie Sanders and Chris Murphy and the
Speaker 1: anti Israel squad, but he claimed their view that their
Speaker 1: demand to undermine Israel was a quote worth while thought.
Speaker 1: That is the state of today's Democrat Party. They are
Speaker 1: terrified of their left wing and this feisure in the
Speaker 1: Democrat Party. It is getting worse in Congress every single
Speaker 1: day within the Democrats.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have no doubt about it. I got to
Speaker 2: ask you about this other issue real quick before I
Speaker 2: let you go, and that is Hunter Biden agrees to
Speaker 2: appear before the House Oversight Committee. I promise we're going
Speaker 2: to spend more time on this later this week, but
Speaker 2: I have to get your ditch reaction to his demands
Speaker 2: after being subpoenaed that he will do it, but only
Speaker 2: in public. That is what his lawyer has now said
Speaker 2: that yes, he's willing to testify it before the House
Speaker 2: Oversight Committee, only in public. According to the letter from
Speaker 2: his attorney that he wrote to the Republican lawmakers, I
Speaker 2: get trying to punch back and look like you're on offense.
Speaker 2: But to be clear, it is not crazy to have
Speaker 2: a subpoena behind closed doors. We saw this happen when
Speaker 2: they were trying to impeach not once but twice Donald J. Trump.
Speaker 2: They had people come in behind closed doors and they
Speaker 2: do these sit downs and answer questions under O, they
Speaker 2: give their testimony in essence, and then we saw the
Speaker 2: media go berserk over who is walking in to give
Speaker 2: their testimony? Why does Hunter Biden want it differently, and
Speaker 2: what's the political play here that we may not understand.
Speaker 1: Well, you're right that it's quite common for people to
Speaker 1: be subpoena to testify behind closed doors and in a
Speaker 1: closed deposition. That happens regularly Congressional committees that are investigating
Speaker 1: something they like to do that you can often spend
Speaker 1: more time asking questions. You can essentially prepare and build
Speaker 1: the foundations for an open and public hearing. It's the
Speaker 1: due diligence you do before a hearing, and not everyone
Speaker 1: that you bring in for a closed deposition merits a hearing.
Speaker 1: So I understand why the committee initially subpoenaed him to
Speaker 1: come in for a deposition. I also understand why Hunter
Speaker 1: Biden came back and said he would do it, but
Speaker 1: only if it's a public hearing. His lawyer is a
Speaker 1: guy named Abbi Lowell. I don't know Abby personally, but
Speaker 1: he has a reputation as one of the most experienced
Speaker 1: and most talented lawyers in Washington for fighting congressional investigations,
Speaker 1: and so he does when when when an individual is
Speaker 1: in a whole lot of trouble with a criminal investigation
Speaker 1: or congressional investigation. This lawyer is one of the top
Speaker 1: Washington power brokers for fighting back. And the stated reason
Speaker 1: that Hunter Biden and his lawyer gave is they said, well,
Speaker 1: the Republicans in the House, when they've done closed door depositions,
Speaker 1: they quote selectively leak portions of the depositions in ways
Speaker 1: that make the witnesses look bad. So we don't want
Speaker 1: that to happen. We want the public to see exactly
Speaker 1: what Hunter says. Now, look, that's a gamble, you know,
Speaker 1: if you're the lawyer. There is a real advantage for
Speaker 1: Hunter in keeping it closed door and not having a video,
Speaker 1: not having it on the news. Will portions of it
Speaker 1: get leaked? Of course, that's what people and politics do
Speaker 1: on both sides all the time. The January sixth Committee
Speaker 1: did it day after day after day after day. Both
Speaker 1: sides do that. But I will say by demanding that
Speaker 1: it be public, there's some degree of protection for Hunter
Speaker 1: Biden and having it be public and that it can't
Speaker 1: be selectively leaked. You get to hear everything he said.
Speaker 1: But it's also a risky play having it be public.
Speaker 1: Even as corrupt as the corporate media is, when Hunter
Speaker 1: Biden testifies before the House, the corporate media cannot avoid
Speaker 1: covering it. So it will drive a crap ton of news.
Speaker 1: And I say crap ton is a technical legal term,
Speaker 1: but it will it will be. And you know, look,
Speaker 1: I don't know Hunter Biden. I've never met Hunter Biden.
Speaker 1: I don't know how he is at answering questions, but
Speaker 1: I have no reason to expect that he's a particularly
Speaker 1: nimble or effective witness. And so you're going to have
Speaker 1: some very vigorous questioning. And I will say, listen James Comber.
Speaker 1: We've had James Comer on this podcast for a two
Speaker 1: part interview. If you didn't listen to that, by the way,
Speaker 1: you ought to go back and listen to our two
Speaker 1: part interview with James Comer. You ought to go back
Speaker 1: and listen to our two part interview with Jim Jordan.
Speaker 1: Both of them, we did a deep dive in terms
Speaker 1: of those House investigations and what they've revealed. A date
Speaker 1: my counsel to House Republicans when Hunter Biden testifies in
Speaker 1: an open hearing is Remember, the reason this is an
Speaker 1: issue of public concern is not about Hunter. It is
Speaker 1: not because he's some poor, sad sack with a substance
Speaker 1: abuse problem. The reason this is a matter of public
Speaker 1: concern is Joe Biden. The reason this is a matter
Speaker 1: of public concern is the evidence indicates that Hunter Biden's
Speaker 1: business was selling favors from Daddy, from Joe Biden to
Speaker 1: corrupt oligarchs in Ukraine and Russia and communist China. And
Speaker 1: so the focus needs to be on Joe Biden, on
Speaker 1: the corruption of the President of the United States, on
Speaker 1: the evidence that the President of the United States sold favors,
Speaker 1: on the evidence that the President of the United States
Speaker 1: solicited and received bribes. And so I hope that that
Speaker 1: House Republicans can can keep that front and center. But
Speaker 1: there's no doubt when Hunter testifies, it is going to
Speaker 1: drive a whole lot of news.
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Speaker 2: Is there any hope that we will ever get to
Speaker 2: see real justice coming out of the House that could
Speaker 2: possibly move somewhere when it comes to the Biden crime family.
Speaker 2: Do you feel like we are getting closer by the
Speaker 2: way that Comer and Jordan are doing this methodically? There
Speaker 2: have been a lot of i say, Monday morning quarterbacking
Speaker 2: and armchair quarterbacking from a lot of people on social
Speaker 2: media are saying, we've screwed this up, We've gotten nowhere.
Speaker 2: They promise to do something, they haven't done it yet.
Speaker 2: Is that a fair assessment, because I think what they've
Speaker 2: been doing is really making sure they do this right
Speaker 2: so it sticks.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Listen, I think both Jim Jordan and James Comer
Speaker 1: are doing an excellent job. I think they're approaching their
Speaker 1: job very seriously. I think they're laying out the evidence
Speaker 1: in a systematic matter. I think that's important. I think
Speaker 1: laying out the evidence for the public matters enormously. I
Speaker 1: believe the House should already have impeached Alejandro mayorcis. I
Speaker 1: believe the how should already have impeached Merrick Garland, and
Speaker 1: you know, when it comes to impeachment of Biden, I
Speaker 1: think they're getting very very close to having the evidence
Speaker 1: to impeach Joe Biden as well. The question on all
Speaker 1: three of those is will they have the votes in
Speaker 1: the House. So the House Republicans have an exceptionally narrow majority,
Speaker 1: they have a four vote majority, it's not clear that
Speaker 1: they have the votes to impeach any of them, and
Speaker 1: so that's a fundamental challenge that they face. The new Speaker,
Speaker 1: Mike Johnson. I know Mike very well. He's a conservative.
Speaker 1: I'm confident that Mike would be perfectly willing to impeach
Speaker 1: these officials if he had the votes. But if there
Speaker 1: are five Republicans who say no, there's no magic wand
Speaker 1: that can change that. And so I think given that
Speaker 1: very real dynamic, that it is a tiny majority with
Speaker 1: a number of wobbly votes, the best course of action
Speaker 1: the House can do is keep developing the evidence and
Speaker 1: making the case stronger and stronger and stronger, and developing
Speaker 1: it in front of the American people who ultimately are
Speaker 1: going to be the arbiter because look, even if they
Speaker 1: impeached all three of them, none would be removed by
Speaker 1: the Senate. It takes two thirds of the Senate to
Speaker 1: remove an individual and impeachment and the chances that Senate
Speaker 1: Democrats would vote to do so are zero point zero
Speaker 1: zero zero percent.
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