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It was the second biggest 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:26.320 mass murder in twenty sixteen, behind the Pulse nightclub shooting. 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:30.519 Eight people dead, all from the same family. It would 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:34.600 become the largest criminal investigation in Ohio's history. Pike County 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:39.280 Sheriff's requested state help immediately after they got word. In 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:43.160 the early morning of April twenty, twenty sixteen, eight members 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:46.600 of the Rodent family were brutally murdered, shot to death 0:02:46.639 --> 0:02:52.760 execution style in their homes. Eight victims, thirty two gunshot wounds, 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:58.640 three children left alive at the scenes. This is the 0:02:58.720 --> 0:03:01.959 piked In massacre. I believe that there is a shooter 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:14.679 wherever they are. Episode one, Daddy's playing Zombie. Piked In, 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:17.799 Ohio is a rural town located on the Sciota River, 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:21.040 just sixty miles south of Columbus. It's home to twenty 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:23.840 two hundred residents and the people of piked And say 0:03:23.880 --> 0:03:26.600 that because the town is so small, neighbors really look 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:28.880 out for each other and treat each other like family. 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:38.600 It was just it was a good, wonderful area to 0:03:38.680 --> 0:03:41.720 grow up in. It was we lived in the country, 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:46.080 and you know, we rode horses on the road. We 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:49.440 rode bikes to each other's houses, and we we played, 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:52.560 you know, the kids and neighborhood played together all the time. 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:54.880 I slept the whole time I was a kid with 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:58.240 my window wide open. There's no way you could do 0:03:58.280 --> 0:04:02.640 that now, there's no way. This place was wonderful. Everybody 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:08.400 took care of everybody, and now it's like a whole 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:15.640 different place. The Roden family lived in piked in for generations. 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:18.479 In fact, this close knit family all lived within miles 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:20.960 of each other and were a beloved fixture in the community. 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:24.360 It's part of what makes this story so heartbreaking and disturbing. 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:28.200 Eight members of the Roden family, ranging an age from 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:33.159 sixteen to forty four, were murdered, each killed execution style 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:37.640 over one night in four different locations. The only known 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:40.680 witnesses the three small children left alive. At the scenes, 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:49.480 the Roden family was literally being hunted. I'm Courtney Armstrong, 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:52.240 a television producer who helped make a documentary about the 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:56.440 case for NBC Universal's Oxygen Network in twenty nineteen. Since 0:04:56.440 --> 0:04:58.880 it aired, the team and I at Katie Studios haven't 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:01.960 stopped thinking about the case. With trials on the horizon, 0:05:02.000 --> 0:05:07.000 there are new details and theories to explore. By all accounts, 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:10.320 April twenty, twenty sixteen was an ordinary spring day in 0:05:10.400 --> 0:05:13.680 rural Pike County, but that would be far from the truth. 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:19.760 Here's Barbara, longtime piked In resident. I'll never forget that day. 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:22.560 I'll never forget that day. I had gone into the 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:26.640 office at the high school to pick Brittany up for 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:30.200 an appointment. And when I walked in, they had a 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:34.160 TV on and everyone in there was sitting with their 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:38.120 mouths hanging open, and I was like, what's going on 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:43.080 in here? And the secretaries said, my god, there's been 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:47.400 a shooting. They said six people were killed, and she said, 0:05:47.440 --> 0:05:50.520 we are very worried because little Chris Rodin didn't show 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:55.880 up today and we think he might be one of them. 0:05:55.920 --> 0:06:00.760 Everyone was just in shock. So a little Chris law 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:03.960 enforcement because I couldn't find him. There was some speculation 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:10.320 early on that he might have been involved. For the 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:12.680 residents of piked In, there was little more than confusion 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:14.960 at this point. People knew there was a shooting and 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:17.800 that Chris Roden Junior, the sixteen year old freshman at 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:23.400 Pikedon High was missing. Where was the team. It was 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:26.200 at the home of Chris Roden Senior that the nightmare began. 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:30.400 Chris Roden Senior was known to be a strong, hard 0:06:30.400 --> 0:06:33.880 working family man. He was, you know, a great father. 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:35.919 He was a good man, just like the rest of 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:38.560 the guys you know in that family. He would do 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:43.680 anything for anybody. He and Dana Roden were married for 0:06:43.720 --> 0:06:47.000 twenty two years, and although they divorced, they remained close, 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:50.320 so close that Chris Senior had recently bought Dana at 0:06:50.320 --> 0:06:52.680 a home on the same road he lived on Union 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:55.160 Hill Road. He did it so they could stay close 0:06:55.200 --> 0:07:00.440 to their children. Chris Senior's cousin, Gary Road, was more 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:03.960 like a brother to him and often stated his place little. 0:07:04.040 --> 0:07:06.960 Chris's aunt, Bobby Joe, who also lived nearby, was the 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:09.680 first to make the gruesome discovery at seven forty nine 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:11.680 am when she came to feed the dogs at Chris 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:19.160 and Your's house. Love One, Yes, I yes, you over, 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:28.760 He walked to the love boss. I can't my brother 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:34.200 Halls dead. Let's live all over the house. Okay, my 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:42.160 brother Halls, I think the patriarch of the family, Chris 0:07:42.280 --> 0:07:44.920 Rodin was dead. He looked like he'd been beaten to death. 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:50.760 His cousin Gary, who was staying with Chris, was also dead. Yeah, 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:57.080 what's her name? Chris Gary d Gary Roden stars in 0:07:57.320 --> 0:08:00.640 looks like the dead. Think they're both dead. I think 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:02.720 the great said the exone has been to suck out 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:05.480 of them. Okay, if there's anybody else in the house, 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:09.880 i't know us. Okay, the door was awfull. We got here, 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:13.239 but I have been. I went here and there letting 0:08:13.280 --> 0:08:16.000 on the floor. Bobby, I need you to get out 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:19.120 of the house and way done out enough times now, 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:21.200 I'm okay. Just stay out of the house. Don't let 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:24.360 anybody gone in there. Okay, yeah, all right, we don't 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:44.960 depute even the way. Okay, I thank you. Yeah, just 0:08:45.080 --> 0:08:47.880 watch this. Forty year old Christopher Roden was the only 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:50.560 one of the eight family members who was shot somewhere 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:52.280 other than they had, and he had mull of the 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:56.040 gunshot wos to the head, torso and it stres. We 0:08:56.200 --> 0:09:00.840 found out, you know, the news broke overnight and saw 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:05.160 the emails, saw the alerts, you know, the initial news coverage, 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:06.880 and I knew this was we all knew this was 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:10.920 a big deal. James Pilcher, as an investigative reporter who 0:09:10.960 --> 0:09:14.840 was assigned to cover this story. Chris Roden may have 0:09:14.920 --> 0:09:19.360 been awake when the intruders came in, at least there's 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:23.400 some indication of that. He was shot nine times, but 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:27.960 he was shot in the forearm, which means which seems 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:30.920 to mean that he may have raised his arm in defense. 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:35.120 His cousin Gary got shot twice in the head and 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:39.199 once in the face, and one was execution style and 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:41.120 I had a muzzle stain. It was that close to 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:45.600 his temple. Even for a multiple murder scene disted out 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:49.319 as being particularly violent. Wood fragments found on Chris's body 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:52.640 indicate he was dragged through the house. Blood was everywhere. 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:56.640 Was it a robbery, a serial killer, a random thrill kill? 0:09:57.320 --> 0:09:59.920 And if it wasn't random, why were these two men targeted? 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:06.720 I spoke with Mike Gallen, criminal defense attorney from Ohio. 0:10:07.120 --> 0:10:11.600 Are you familiarity able to talk about the scenes themselves? 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:14.320 You know if you look at it, and it's all 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:18.920 from the autopsy reports. Chris seniors autopsy report says that 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:21.600 they believe that he was awake. One he was confronted 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:24.880 by at least one person with a gun. He got 0:10:24.960 --> 0:10:28.960 nine gunshot wounds, and one of them apparently was a 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:32.560 defensive wound to his right forearm that shattered the bone. 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:36.640 He was also shot in the torso and cheek according 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:42.240 to that report. Then Chris Senior's cousin Gary, and they're 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:44.440 all kind of related. Here. He was shot twice in 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:48.040 the head and once in the face. One of the shots. 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:52.040 Reports indicate that the gun was pressed to the side 0:10:52.040 --> 0:10:56.800 of his head, leaving a gunpowder mark that's called a 0:10:56.880 --> 0:11:01.560 muzzle stain. I mean, those kind of injuries leaves no 0:11:01.600 --> 0:11:05.000 doubt that this was an intentional or these all were 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:09.840 intentional killings, kind of designed to send a message to someone. 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:12.800 The muzzle mark sticks in my mind. You have to 0:11:12.840 --> 0:11:16.480 be obviously arms reach. I mean, you are locking eyes 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:19.640 with the victim, it would seem. Does that paint any 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:23.840 kind of picture or indicate to officers or attorneys anything, 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:28.160 Sure it does, and maybe even closer than arm's length, 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:33.520 I mean, maybe just inches. That indicates that the shot 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:36.640 was fired right on top of the person. And it 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:39.600 indicates to me, at least, especially when you have the 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:43.120 number of shots like that here, that somebody was trying 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:45.080 to send a message. I don't think there can be 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:48.280 any doubt about that. It's personal. I mean it was personal, 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:56.520 and I think that's what that demonstrates. We're going to 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:58.840 stick a quick break here. We'll be back in a moment. 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:02.679 Like many of us, you might think identity theft will 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:05.760 never happen to you, but consider this. 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While waiting desperately for police to arrive, 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:47.360 she makes her way over to her nephew, Frankie's house. 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:51.120 She wanted to get some help and to tell him 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:53.680 what had happened to his father and uncle whose body 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:59.640 she had just found. Frankie Rodin was Chris Senior and 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:02.520 Dana his oldest son. The twenty year old was a 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:06.080 father to two boys, three year old and six month old. 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:11.560 Like his parents, Frankie was a hard worker. He loved fishing, hunting, 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:15.160 and demolition derby, but nothing so much as his family 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:19.320 and his fiance, nineteen year old Hannah Gilly. Hannah Gilly 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:21.560 was on the home coming court in high school, and 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:23.600 at that time she told friends she planned to go 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:25.920 to college, get a business degree, and open a daycare. 0:16:26.560 --> 0:16:30.000 Frankie and Hannah wanted a lot of kids. They had 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:34.040 a bright future. The young family lived together just up 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:37.520 the street from Chris Senior, also on Unionhill, road. They 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:41.520 were looking forward to getting married soon. Here's reporter Jeff 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:44.320 Winkler recounting the details of what happened that night based 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:48.640 on his reporting. So, after Bobby Joe made the call 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:52.840 to nine one one, she went to Frankie's house near 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:55.480 right nearby. And the person who came to the door 0:16:55.520 --> 0:17:00.280 with Frankie's three year old son and was as police 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:05.280 reports and newspaper reports showed, he was, you know, covered 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:09.720 in blood, and he, like any three year oldie, sort 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:11.520 of didn't fully understand what was going on. And he 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:15.240 told his aunt that, you know, his father was playing 0:17:15.359 --> 0:17:19.320 zombie in the bedroom, and that's because the family were 0:17:19.520 --> 0:17:23.399 fans of The Walking Dead, so you know, was in 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:29.760 there with his father playing zombie, which is, you know, 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:35.159 absolutely heartbreaking. Bobby picked up her nephew and made her 0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:42.000 way inside. She finds two more victims. Frankie was shot 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:44.840 three times in the head. His fiancee, Hannah Gilly, was 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:47.399 shot five times in total, with one shot to her 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:50.400 left eye. They were both in bed with their six 0:17:50.440 --> 0:17:59.320 month old baby. Thankfully, the infant was spared. Meanwhile, and 0:17:59.359 --> 0:18:02.399 this is all happening around eight am on April twenty second. 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:07.400 Bobby Joe calls their brother James. She's in hysterics. There's 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:11.680 now two murder scenes, four people dead, twenty gunshot wounds, 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:21.240 two children left alive at the scenes, James immediately goes 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:23.440 over to his sister Dana's house to check on her 0:18:23.480 --> 0:18:30.880 and the remaining kids. Dana Roden was a nurse known 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:34.000 for her gregarious nature and loving smile. She'd met Chris 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:36.439 Roden Senior when she was just in high school and 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:40.040 it was love at first sight. Even though they divorced 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:44.159 twenty two years later, they remained very close together. The 0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:47.960 pair had three beautiful children, twenty year old Frankie, Hannah May, 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:53.080 and little Chris. She's goodhearted, a lot of fun, you know, 0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:57.439 always laughing, cracking up. She was a very very good person. 0:18:58.000 --> 0:19:01.640 She sent me a text slaved my grand babies here 0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:06.320 and I said, well, congratulations, I said, she's beautiful. What 0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:11.360 did Hannah Ma name her? She said Callie May and 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:14.159 I said that's so pretty. And that was the last, 0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:17.920 you know, the last thing I ever heard from Diana. 0:19:18.200 --> 0:19:21.359 This particular April seemed extra special because Hannahme had just 0:19:21.440 --> 0:19:24.480 given birth to her second daughter five days prior, just 0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:27.240 weeks before that, Diana threw Hannah May a big baby 0:19:27.240 --> 0:19:30.080 shower at their new house. The pictures from the showers 0:19:30.119 --> 0:19:34.560 show what a happy celebration it was. Sadly, James, Diana's brother, 0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:39.040 was about to enter yet one more unimaginable scene. Dana 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:41.760 and her nineteen year old daughter, Hannah May were both dead. 0:19:45.320 --> 0:19:48.000 Like the rest of the family, they were shot execution style. 0:19:48.960 --> 0:19:51.000 Dna three times in the right side of her head 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:54.440 and once under her chin. Hannah was shot twice in 0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:57.280 the head, lying in bed with her newborn daughter, just 0:19:57.440 --> 0:20:01.480 five days old. The infant was spared alive, and thankfully 0:20:01.480 --> 0:20:04.639 Hannah's older daughter, Sophia, just two years old at the time, 0:20:05.160 --> 0:20:07.080 was not at the house at the time of the murders. 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:12.040 This brings us back to when Dana's son, the high 0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:15.359 school freshman Chris Junior, was nowhere to be found. It 0:20:15.440 --> 0:20:19.280 took detectives several hours to locate him, but finally little 0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:21.520 Chris was found in the home with his mother, Dana 0:20:21.720 --> 0:20:24.920 and his sister Hannah May. He'd been shot four times 0:20:24.920 --> 0:20:32.600 in the head. There's now seven people dead, thirty one 0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:36.119 gunshot wounds, and three children left alive. At the scenes, 0:20:37.840 --> 0:20:40.560 the once small and sleepy town became the epicenter for 0:20:40.720 --> 0:20:45.520 grizzly crime and the subsequent complex murder investigation. When it 0:20:45.600 --> 0:20:47.960 was all said and done, two families would be destroyed 0:20:48.000 --> 0:20:54.400 and the town would never be the same. Here's Jeff Winkler. 0:20:54.640 --> 0:20:56.919 It was a long form article he'd written on the 0:20:56.960 --> 0:21:02.760 case that originally piqued our interest. And journalist based in Flyover, 0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:06.119 so I cover a lot of stuff that happens away 0:21:06.119 --> 0:21:09.959 from the coast. The road in case. I remember seeing 0:21:10.760 --> 0:21:14.040 coverage of it in twenty sixteen as it was happening 0:21:14.280 --> 0:21:17.560 on live TV, and there was a helicopter flying over 0:21:17.720 --> 0:21:20.960 the property, and it was just one of those things 0:21:21.000 --> 0:21:23.560 that seemed like it was straight out of southern Noire. 0:21:24.320 --> 0:21:27.760 The crime is as complex as it is grewsome because 0:21:28.000 --> 0:21:30.479 all the victims except for one were found on the 0:21:30.560 --> 0:21:34.400 same sort of back road and piked in, and they 0:21:34.400 --> 0:21:37.200 were all found gunned down on the same night and 0:21:37.640 --> 0:21:42.200 all had gunshots to the head. This was a incredibly 0:21:42.359 --> 0:21:48.320 well executed execution of several people. Here again is criminal 0:21:48.359 --> 0:21:52.400 defense attorney, former prosecutor and judge Mike Allen. Ed did 0:21:52.480 --> 0:21:54.560 this area like a ton of bricks? I mean, boy, 0:21:54.600 --> 0:21:57.760 the local media down here. We're all over this thing. 0:21:57.920 --> 0:22:00.560 I mean like white on rice. So yeah, it's big deal. 0:22:00.880 --> 0:22:02.960 Do you have any theories because I've spoken to people 0:22:03.000 --> 0:22:05.520 and they're all, I guess, just theories. But why do 0:22:05.560 --> 0:22:09.080 you spare the children? Is that some line a killer 0:22:09.119 --> 0:22:12.159 won't cross? Or what does that tell you? Yeah, and 0:22:12.240 --> 0:22:15.280 it's a really good question. I guess it shows that 0:22:15.960 --> 0:22:20.960 I don't know, the killers wanted to demonstrate that they 0:22:21.000 --> 0:22:26.000 have some humanity left in them and just would not 0:22:26.680 --> 0:22:31.399 kill infants. I guess that's small consolation, but I don't know. 0:22:31.480 --> 0:22:34.760 It probably is some kind of code thing. But they 0:22:34.840 --> 0:22:37.919 did find it within their hearts to spare the infants 0:22:37.960 --> 0:22:40.960 and the children. You know. As brazen and as violent 0:22:41.040 --> 0:22:44.280 as these killings were, I guess they just couldn't bring 0:22:44.320 --> 0:22:49.760 themselves to do it to small children and an infant, Yeah, 0:22:49.760 --> 0:23:00.560 five day old, I mean that's yeah, that's crazy for 0:23:00.640 --> 0:23:05.160 the quiet town. The scene was unreal. Nearly seven hours 0:23:05.200 --> 0:23:07.840 after the first bodies were found at one twenty six 0:23:07.880 --> 0:23:13.720 pm in April twenty second, a final fatal discovery, Yeah 0:23:13.760 --> 0:23:16.440 I need to day has been out to boast to 0:23:16.520 --> 0:23:22.000 seven ninety nine left force. Okay, it's all this stuff 0:23:22.000 --> 0:23:25.440 it's on the news. I just found, just found my 0:23:25.560 --> 0:23:34.240 cousins was again shop wind. Okay, feeling life So no, okay, 0:23:34.840 --> 0:23:40.240 I'll be staying out by the roadway going, Sir Donald thing, Donald, 0:23:40.640 --> 0:23:45.280 sound a whole thing. Sound Yeah, I'm he says, what's 0:23:45.320 --> 0:23:54.320 your name, Rod? Yeah, so prise, hurry out of the house. 0:23:55.560 --> 0:23:57.600 I'm I'm out of the house right now. I just 0:23:57.600 --> 0:24:05.480 went in horror nating and checked and okay, sure we're 0:24:05.520 --> 0:24:16.280 going to get all right, chick mar. A few miles 0:24:16.320 --> 0:24:19.520 down Union Hill Road was Chris Roden Senior's brother. Kenneth. 0:24:20.400 --> 0:24:22.520 The forty four year old was shot once through his 0:24:22.640 --> 0:24:28.919 right eye. Kenneth's cousin, Donald Stone, went to check on 0:24:29.000 --> 0:24:31.920 Kenneth after hearing about the murders of their six other 0:24:31.960 --> 0:24:35.600 family members. He'd failed to hear from Kenneth that day. 0:24:36.080 --> 0:24:39.720 Here's Jeff Winkler. There were a lot of breaking news 0:24:39.880 --> 0:24:44.680 moments during the first day, and the details just kept 0:24:44.760 --> 0:24:48.120 piling up and piling up, and more police, more law 0:24:48.200 --> 0:24:54.240 enforcement would show up, and the body count got larger 0:24:54.240 --> 0:24:56.919 and larger, and then I think the real sort of 0:24:56.960 --> 0:25:00.720 twist and the real sort of the heck has happened. 0:25:00.760 --> 0:25:03.840 A moment was when, you know, nearly seven hours after 0:25:03.840 --> 0:25:07.600 the first boys were found, at around one thirty pm, 0:25:07.920 --> 0:25:12.560 there is finally another body of Kenneth and he was 0:25:12.600 --> 0:25:15.280 found as well as the others. Is you know, shot 0:25:16.119 --> 0:25:19.480 execution style and in this case, he was covered with 0:25:19.520 --> 0:25:23.120 dollar bills that were strewn about his body. 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