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Speaker 1: It was an unimaginable crime. It was the second biggest

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Speaker 1: the early morning of April twenty, twenty sixteen, eight members

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Speaker 1: names of the eight victims piked In, residents were reeling.

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Speaker 1: You know, they had snuck in in the night and

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Speaker 1: committed this, these murders, and nobody had a clue about

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Speaker 1: you know who or why, and that's really scary. There

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Speaker 1: were rumors about who had done the crime everywhere online,

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Speaker 1: in the coffee shops, you know, amongst the police, I

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Speaker 1: mean everyone was talking about who could have done it

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Speaker 1: and why they would have done it. Within two days

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Speaker 1: of the murder, officials would make another shocking announcement. All

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Speaker 1: let very sure, thank you very much. This is Mike DeWine,

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Speaker 1: then Attorney General of Ohio, at a news conference on

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Speaker 1: April twenty fourth, twenty sixteen. Let me go ahead, and

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Speaker 1: I think it's okay for us to confirm that we

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Speaker 1: did find marijuana in three locations. There's a grow operations.

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Speaker 1: Here's Jeff Shane. We worked together on the case, and

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Speaker 1: he reached out to Jodi Barr, an investigative reporter who

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Speaker 1: was working in Cincinnati at the time of the murders.

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Speaker 1: Let's like run through some of the theories, like what

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Speaker 1: lot of theories. Jody has followed the crime an investigation

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Speaker 1: we're trying to make sense of these tips, vet them,

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Speaker 1: see if there's anything that could indicate who did it,

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Speaker 1: why they did it, what caused someone to kill eight

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Speaker 1: people of the same family. So, you know, the one

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Speaker 1: theory that sort of became the veiling idea of what

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Speaker 1: might have happened here was the drug cartel theory. And

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Speaker 1: you know that came about because, you know, hours after

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Speaker 1: the murders, Attorney General Mike de Wine and Pike Countis

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Speaker 1: Sheriff Charlie Reader are standing at a press conference and

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Speaker 1: the Wine tells the public that they found commercial grow

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Speaker 1: operations at three of the four crime scenes. Another theory

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Speaker 1: was that the murders could have been the result of

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Speaker 1: a dispute with another family in the area. Here's Jody Barr. Again.

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Speaker 1: We had gotten word that a purely Chris junior had

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Speaker 1: and there were some messages, social media messages exchange that

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Speaker 1: could have indicated a possible motive. So that was one theory.

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Speaker 1: As I got on the ground over there and you

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Speaker 1: talked to some of the neighbors, some of the people

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Speaker 1: who knew the Rodents, it became clear that either people

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Speaker 1: knew or had a very good idea about what happened,

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Speaker 1: but they absolutely would never say it because I think

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Speaker 1: they were they were afraid because at that point in time,

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Speaker 1: whoever did this and not been arrested, there have been

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Speaker 1: no persons of interest named. So you know, if you

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Speaker 1: lived in that area, man, it was hush hush, you

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Speaker 1: were just kind of walking around looking over your shoulder

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Speaker 1: it seeing with some of these people not knowing you know,

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Speaker 1: who could be next who did it? This is again

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Speaker 1: Jeff Winckler. The majority of those theories rested on, you know,

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Speaker 1: as a cartel. It was a cartel hit because the

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Speaker 1: family was growing marijuana on their property. You know. Was

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Speaker 1: it day rival marijuana farm? The area? Was it where

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Speaker 1: the killings related to the family disputes that were going

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Speaker 1: on with various members of adjacent families, and no one,

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Speaker 1: Dwine is and again I know him, but he's not

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Speaker 1: a friend or anything, but he really is a professional

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, there is just no way that

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Speaker 1: have handled this thing by themselves. And that's no knock

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Speaker 1: on them. It's just that they don't have the resources

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Speaker 1: news conferences sheriff reader without telling people to arm themselves

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Speaker 1: as a precaution in a small county like that, And

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Speaker 1: just the horrific nature of these things, I don't know

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Speaker 1: that that would have not been good advice. I mean,

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Speaker 1: obviously they'd have to do it legally with a concealed

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Speaker 1: But people just didn't know what the heck was going

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Speaker 1: the different theories bouncing around, and it's a rural county

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Speaker 1: I was legally able to carry a firearm, I think

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Speaker 1: I would. For two years, not a single arrest was made.

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Speaker 1: How could the largest massacre in Ohio's history, with so

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Speaker 1: much blood, so many bullets, and so many victims still

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Speaker 1: be unsolved. The questions abound, Who's doing this? Is that

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Speaker 1: many people? Is it won? How did they get away

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Speaker 1: with it? If the scene was so messy, how did

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Speaker 1: they clean up? The four crime scenes had dead bodies,

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Speaker 1: but the emmas were different. Chris and Gary's was the

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Speaker 1: most violent and bloody. Two of the other ones had

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Speaker 1: children left alive, and in the fourth, Kenneth was found

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Speaker 1: Could it be a cover up and would another family

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Speaker 1: be next? And then on November thirteenth, twenty eighteen, well,

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Speaker 1: good afternoon, we finally got an update on the case.

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Speaker 1: We promised that the day would come when a rush

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