WEBVTT - Chuck’s Commentary - The Shutdown Has Become A Choice + Trump’s Showdown In Chicago

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, campers, rise and shine and don't forget your booties

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<v Speaker 1>because it's cool out there today. Yes, I cliched it up.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm starting with a groundhog Day reference. I don't yet

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<v Speaker 1>have the finances to pay for I've got you, babe

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<v Speaker 1>or that, of course, so just have that in the

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<v Speaker 1>back of your head as you hear that. But we

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<v Speaker 1>are on groundhog Day with the shutdown. I certainly have

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<v Speaker 1>other topics I want to get to, but here we

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<v Speaker 1>are with the shutdown, and look, I will fall on

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<v Speaker 1>my nostrodama sword. I really did think we were going

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<v Speaker 1>to be done after a week. I think we should

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<v Speaker 1>be done with this by now. I think the Democrats

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<v Speaker 1>have accomplished what they wanted to accomplish out of it politically.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't have an agreement yet to extend these subsidies

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<v Speaker 1>for the Affordable Care Act or Obamacare, whatever you want

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<v Speaker 1>to refer to it as. But it's pretty clear that

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<v Speaker 1>they've gotten the issue more front and center. They've got

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<v Speaker 1>more Republicans talking about it, They've got the President of

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<v Speaker 1>the United States concerned about it, they got the Vice president.

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<v Speaker 1>It is if they want. As I've said in previous episodes,

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<v Speaker 1>this week. If they want to declare victory, they could

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<v Speaker 1>and say they got what they wanted to get out

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<v Speaker 1>of this. And if the Republicans back off their agreement

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<v Speaker 1>to try to hammer out a deal on Obamacare, well

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<v Speaker 1>this continuing resolution is only for another six weeks, so

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<v Speaker 1>they have another leverage point. And I would say this,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, look, there's no evidence that this is going

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<v Speaker 1>to end this weekend. I you know, so I was

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<v Speaker 1>wrong about that, but we're we're going to be missing

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<v Speaker 1>a paycheck. The first paycheck missing happens at the beginning

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<v Speaker 1>of next week. We've got already impacts on the traveling

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<v Speaker 1>public right now. You know, I didn't have any problems

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<v Speaker 1>going from lax to Washington Dulles after visiting USC. But

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<v Speaker 1>I promise you, if you're traveling, whether it's Nashville, Indianapolis,

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<v Speaker 1>Des Moines, Albuquerque, any slightly smaller market than some of

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<v Speaker 1>the large ones, you know, it doesn't take too many

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<v Speaker 1>air traffic controllers in that region to suddenly call in

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<v Speaker 1>sick to where you're grounding all flights.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>It had a huge impact in Nashville a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>days ago. This is in the LA area. Burbank essentially

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<v Speaker 1>had to go to a ground stop for a few

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<v Speaker 1>hours the other day. So this is only going to grow,

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<v Speaker 1>This is only going to get worse. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>where the more the public is personally impacted by these things,

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<v Speaker 1>the more they're going to be upset at all parties involved,

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<v Speaker 1>and they may no longer be as focused on the

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<v Speaker 1>issue that I do think Democrats have successfully gotten into

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<v Speaker 1>the pushed into the into the zeitgeist here a little bit. Look,

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<v Speaker 1>it's hard for any issue to break through in the

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<v Speaker 1>Trump era for any given period of time, but this

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<v Speaker 1>issue of health care certainly has the attention of the

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans on this. So now it's a game of chicken

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<v Speaker 1>and the longer, frankly, if I look on the Democratic side,

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<v Speaker 1>the longer they hold out what I say yesterday, then

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<v Speaker 1>this really isn't about health care. This is about something else.

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<v Speaker 1>And frankly, it is about something else, right. It is

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<v Speaker 1>about the fact that Donald Trump is not respecting the Constitution,

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<v Speaker 1>he's not respecting the appropriations process, he's not respecting the

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<v Speaker 1>legislative branch. But the Democrats have a problem. They're not

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<v Speaker 1>in charge of the legislative branch right now. It's the

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans who are allowing the executive branch to steamroll them

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<v Speaker 1>because they're the ones in charge, and it's an issue

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<v Speaker 1>that's hard to get the public to rally around. They're

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<v Speaker 1>going to rally around things and impact their lives. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>what's happening with the misuse of appropriations and the sort

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<v Speaker 1>of the aggressive nature of what O and B has

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<v Speaker 1>tried to do is impactful on people's lives, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>much harder for them to see it. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's healthcare hits their bottom line. That this is premiums

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<v Speaker 1>doubling that that is, that is the cost to live issue,

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<v Speaker 1>which of course has arguably been what's been hanging over

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<v Speaker 1>our politics since we got out of the COVID shutdown.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think in some ways, the healthcare the rising

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<v Speaker 1>healthcare premiums would only feed into the cost of to

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<v Speaker 1>live issues that the tariffs and some of the other

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<v Speaker 1>policies that President Trump has pursued has done. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>we are, as I said before, we have this. We

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<v Speaker 1>have this weird economy that will statistically look good for

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<v Speaker 1>those that have money, but it is completely impossible to

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<v Speaker 1>catch up or get ahead, or if you don't already

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<v Speaker 1>have a little bit of savings earning, you know, getting

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<v Speaker 1>taking advantage of the supercharged markets that we have right now,

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<v Speaker 1>fueled by all of this artificial intelligence investment. So we

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<v Speaker 1>are in a situation where either party can end the

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<v Speaker 1>shutdown right now. Democrats could declare victory, provide the eight votes,

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<v Speaker 1>open the government up, and have six weeks to hold

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<v Speaker 1>them accountable again if they don't come to the table.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course Republicans could open the government right now themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't need a single Democratic vote. They'd have to

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<v Speaker 1>get rid of the filibuster, but they could do it

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<v Speaker 1>on a party line vote anytime they wanted to. So

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<v Speaker 1>we are in the This is a choice aspect of

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<v Speaker 1>the shutdown. This is truly a choice. And I just

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<v Speaker 1>would warn Democrats on this one. You've had some success

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<v Speaker 1>here getting this issue more front and center in the

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<v Speaker 1>public's mind, but by the way, your negatives are rising

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<v Speaker 1>as a political party over the polling that matriculated out

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<v Speaker 1>this past week one on two in that risks potentially

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<v Speaker 1>at some point, the more Americans have their lives disrupted,

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<v Speaker 1>the more they're likely to then sour on everybody and

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<v Speaker 1>then whatever slight even issue advantage of just getting the

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<v Speaker 1>healthcare issue into the ether disappears, and then it becomes, well,

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<v Speaker 1>what did you gain for all that adjuta with the shutdown?

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, there's a point of diminishing returns here.

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<v Speaker 1>At what point does Team Blue see that? We shall

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<v Speaker 1>find out. But again, before I get to a few

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<v Speaker 1>other issues I want to get to, Republicans could just

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<v Speaker 1>do it on their own if they chose to. They're

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<v Speaker 1>also apparently don't mind, and that that gets sort of

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<v Speaker 1>what I said yesterday my groundhog Day response here, which

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<v Speaker 1>is I think the base of both parties think they're winning,

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<v Speaker 1>and so when you think you're winning, you don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to stop.

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<v Speaker 2>The problem is is how big?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, first of all, your feedback loop is unfortunately

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<v Speaker 1>very small. You know, where's everybody else? How big is

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<v Speaker 1>the every everybody else pile there? And I think that's, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>that's an open question. But look, the the other issue

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<v Speaker 1>that's sort of front and center for a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people is what's happening in Chicago. Uh, and this sort

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<v Speaker 1>of showdown between the Trump administration and the governor of

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<v Speaker 1>Illinois and the mayor of Chicago. This is you know

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<v Speaker 1>this it it is a few updates. Obviously you had

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<v Speaker 1>the President escalating his war of words with the mayor

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<v Speaker 1>and the governor, calling on the Democratic leaders to be impeached,

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<v Speaker 1>actually be imprisoned for failing to protect ice officers. Trump

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<v Speaker 1>wrote on his truth social post, Chicago mayor should be

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<v Speaker 1>in jail for failing to protect ice officers. Governor Pritzker also,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think anybody's saying that they're not protecting ice

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<v Speaker 1>officers here. But of course this is this sort of

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<v Speaker 1>the the the the pretext that it appears the Trump

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<v Speaker 1>administration's trying to create in order to force this situation.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to say, the most bizarre aspect of all

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<v Speaker 1>this is the is what the state of Texas agreed

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<v Speaker 1>to do? You know, It's one thing, Look, the President

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<v Speaker 1>has the authority to federalize the National Guard in Illinois,

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<v Speaker 1>so he did it, but to use Texas troops to

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<v Speaker 1>essentially invade Illinois, right, And I don't you know, I know,

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<v Speaker 1>it can come across that everybody's getting very dramatic here

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<v Speaker 1>about some of these things, but nobody seems to remember

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<v Speaker 1>the golden rule in life or in politics. Right, do

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<v Speaker 1>unto others as you want done unto you.

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<v Speaker 2>And I asked the governor of Texas.

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<v Speaker 1>How would you feel if a Democratic president decided to

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<v Speaker 1>send a governor of Illinois decided to offer up National

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<v Speaker 1>Guard troops to occupy a city in Texas, right without

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<v Speaker 1>the governor's essentially acquiescence. I think I know where Texans

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<v Speaker 1>would stand on this. And that's the point here. Nobody

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<v Speaker 1>seems to be thinking about, Oh is you know what

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<v Speaker 1>happens if the roles are reversed? Right, And this has

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<v Speaker 1>certainly been a virus. It's in our politics these days

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<v Speaker 1>where nobody thinks of the of the reactionary consequence to anything.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't treat people the way we want to be treated.

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<v Speaker 1>In some ways, we're treating people the way we we

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<v Speaker 1>think how poorly we're being treated.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Part of that is internet brain, right. I think there's

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<v Speaker 1>way too many people right now in high level leadership

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<v Speaker 1>positions on the left and the right who are live

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<v Speaker 1>online and don't live in the real world. And so

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<v Speaker 1>I do think this is why there's a disconnect between

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<v Speaker 1>those that are extraordinarily alarmed by what's happening and the

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<v Speaker 1>those that are like, here we go again with things now,

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, you know, the courts are are playing

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<v Speaker 1>a role here and are providing. You know, the Constitution

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<v Speaker 1>hasn't been shredded yet, okay, and I think that should

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<v Speaker 1>be seen as a positive and not something that is

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<v Speaker 1>that is it is me being naive on this front.

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<v Speaker 1>We had a federal judge in Chicago on Wednesday extending

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<v Speaker 1>a nationwide consent decree that requires ice to better document

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<v Speaker 1>and report probable cause for their immigration arrests, and they

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<v Speaker 1>have found this judge found that the agency repeatedly has

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<v Speaker 1>violated the twenty twenty two agreement by making warrantless arrests,

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<v Speaker 1>both before and during what they called Operation Midway Blitz.

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<v Speaker 1>The judge also took particular issue with the practice by

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<v Speaker 1>ice A here, according to the Chicago Tribune, of carrying

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<v Speaker 1>blank warrant forms known as I two hundred's with them

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<v Speaker 1>on missions and essentially filling them out at the scene. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>they cannot prove that where they're going that there was

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<v Speaker 1>a there was a criminal intent by the person that

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<v Speaker 1>they believe is in this country illegally, so they're basically,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, getting there and then coming up filling out

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<v Speaker 1>the form to try to to try to sort of

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<v Speaker 1>come up with a legal pretext after the fact. And

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<v Speaker 1>the judges rightfully, I think, lecture them about this and

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<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine this one that this part of the

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<v Speaker 1>ruling somehow gets over overturned or overruled by.

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<v Speaker 2>A higher court.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll see on that front. But I think more importantly

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<v Speaker 1>it's what is the public see and what are they thinking?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>If you live online, right, if you live only in

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<v Speaker 1>the blue sphere, this is the beginning of the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the republic.

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<v Speaker 2>If you only live in the red.

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<v Speaker 1>Sphere, it's about time that the federal government did something

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<v Speaker 1>that the mayors and the governor refused to do in

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<v Speaker 1>protecting Americans.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>But the question is that we live we you know,

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<v Speaker 1>most of the rest of us live in this gray area.

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<v Speaker 1>And what's interesting about the polling here is that there's

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<v Speaker 1>comfort in the poll numbers for both sides, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>warnings in the poll numbers for both sides. So there's

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<v Speaker 1>a new Reuter's zipso's poll that shows fifty eight percent

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<v Speaker 1>of Americans, including seventy percent of Democrats and fifty percent

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<v Speaker 1>of Republicans, they feel the president should only deploy armed

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<v Speaker 1>troops to face quote external threats. Now, part of that

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<v Speaker 1>may explain why the president Stephen Miller in particular, keep

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<v Speaker 1>using overheated rhetoric to describe what they say ICE agents

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<v Speaker 1>are dealing with and what they say the threat is

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<v Speaker 1>from some of these undocumented immigrants. But it is there's

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<v Speaker 1>clearly a line here where the more militarized this looks,

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<v Speaker 1>the more uncomfortable the public gets, including plenty of Republicans.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that said, and what's interesting here is that there

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<v Speaker 1>is not a majority that believe that the president has

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of huge authority to do this. Thirty seven

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<v Speaker 1>percent agree that the presidents of either party should have

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<v Speaker 1>the power to deploy troops into states even when state

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<v Speaker 1>governors object, but forty eight percent disagree with that, and

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<v Speaker 1>in fact, eighty three percent overall in this poll agreed

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<v Speaker 1>that the military quote should remain politically neutral and not

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<v Speaker 1>take a side in a domestic policy debate. Now, there's

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<v Speaker 1>another poll that was out in the New York Times

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<v Speaker 1>Siena Poll, and it's part of the same poll that

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<v Speaker 1>came out last week that I was telling you about.

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<v Speaker 1>But they released their immigration questions on Wednesday, and essentially

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<v Speaker 1>it's showing you the same thing that I've been telling

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<v Speaker 1>you for a while, which is a majority agree with

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<v Speaker 1>the goal of what Trump is doing, but a majority

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<v Speaker 1>don't like how he's trying to do it. Let me

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<v Speaker 1>put some numbers around that. Fifty four percent of registered

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<v Speaker 1>voters broadly favored deporting immigrants living in the country illegally. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that's ninety percent among Republicans, fifty two percent among independents,

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<v Speaker 1>and about twenty percent of Democrats think this. Now, you'll

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<v Speaker 1>see on that issue of mass deportation, Independence much closer

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<v Speaker 1>to Republicans than they are Democrats. Right, it's a majority

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<v Speaker 1>of Independence. That to me a little warning sign there

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<v Speaker 1>for Democrats on their stance on immigration. Now, that said,

0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:51.280
<v Speaker 1>fifty three percent of voters feel the process of deporting

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<v Speaker 1>people has not been fair, and forty four percent said

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<v Speaker 1>it was mostly fair. So that tells you. And fifty

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<v Speaker 1>two percent of those surveyed also disapprove of Trump's handling

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<v Speaker 1>of immigration. The point is this, a majority of people

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<v Speaker 1>in this country do think that too many people were

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<v Speaker 1>let in illegally and many of them should be returned.

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<v Speaker 1>But there is a discomfort in the aggressive tactics that

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<v Speaker 1>are being used, and the more that is front and center,

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<v Speaker 1>the more Americans may sour on the policy.

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<v Speaker 2>Itself.

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<v Speaker 1>But this is to me the warning sign here a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit. What's interesting is fifty one percent said they

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<v Speaker 1>thought the government was deporting mostly people who quote should

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<v Speaker 1>be deported. Forty two percents of the government was deporting

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<v Speaker 1>the wrong people. But there's a narrow majority there. So

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<v Speaker 1>the point is is that Democrats have to find realize

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<v Speaker 1>that a majority in this country want the law followed.

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<v Speaker 1>At the same time, a majority of the country's more

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<v Speaker 1>open to immigration than perhaps the Trump administration is behaving.

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<v Speaker 1>So like everything in our politics, there's more nuanced in

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<v Speaker 1>gray area than the two parties are presenting each other.

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<v Speaker 1>But it is where we are at this moment. I

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<v Speaker 1>do think the Trump White House believes that Pritzker and

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<v Speaker 1>Mayor Johnson are good foils for them politically. I think

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<v Speaker 1>they're personalizing this on purpose, and Pritzker and Johnson are

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<v Speaker 1>playing right into it because I think they think it's

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<v Speaker 1>good politics to get personal right back, It is worth

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<v Speaker 1>noting that Trump put out that truth social statement on

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<v Speaker 1>Wednesday after Pritzker on Tuesday night opened wondered aloud whether

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<v Speaker 1>Trump has dementia. So it is certainly getting personal, and

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<v Speaker 1>in that sense that's also a bit of a you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it goes back to my whole who's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>the adult in the room. And when you start to

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<v Speaker 1>go name calling against Trump, you have to remember the

0:17:01.240 --> 0:17:04.680
<v Speaker 1>rule of the pig, which is careful getting to a

0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:07.639
<v Speaker 1>mud fight with a pig, because you'll both get dirty

0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:08.960
<v Speaker 1>and the pig will enjoy it.

0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:10.480
<v Speaker 2>This is a classic case.

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<v Speaker 1>You want to get into a name calling fight with

0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:15.720
<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump. He's always willing to go lower. He's always

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<v Speaker 1>going to be more outlandish, go to places you'll never

0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:25.600
<v Speaker 1>be comfortable going, and you'll look and then all of

0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:29.160
<v Speaker 1>a sudden, you'll look feckless for some reason. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>a warning there, and it's obvious what the political motivation

0:17:32.600 --> 0:17:36.800
<v Speaker 1>is there. Clearly is an attempt by the Trump administration.

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<v Speaker 1>Perhaps this is the Stephen Miller plan to create a confrontation,

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<v Speaker 1>to create a pretext to then do more of this

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<v Speaker 1>and get more aggressive of these tactics. But the political

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<v Speaker 1>warning signed to Miller and the Trump White House is

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<v Speaker 1>the more aggressive they get, the more Americans are going

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<v Speaker 1>to turn on them on this, and even among Republicans,

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<v Speaker 1>so as much as it looks as if they're completely

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<v Speaker 1>ignoring sort of the reality of the situation, and they're

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<v Speaker 1>frankly lying about the threat. The level of threat that

0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:11.840
<v Speaker 1>folks in Chicago are dealing with. There's real political risk

0:18:11.880 --> 0:18:14.000
<v Speaker 1>in how they're handling this, just as much as there's

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<v Speaker 1>real risk for Democrats not looking like they're not in

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<v Speaker 1>favor of the rule of law either. So I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to deal I will say this, I'm not. The reason

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not my hair's not on fire on this is that.

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<v Speaker 2>I do think.

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<v Speaker 1>The system is working more than it isn't right. The

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<v Speaker 1>courts are having their say. There's a lot of loud

0:18:40.720 --> 0:18:45.120
<v Speaker 1>rhetoric from Stephen Miller, irresponsible rhetoric, but they're abiding by.

0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:46.040
<v Speaker 2>The court rulings.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm not saying this isn't something we shouldn't be

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<v Speaker 1>concerned about. We should be on high alert about nation,

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<v Speaker 1>but we got to continue to use the system itself

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<v Speaker 1>they win. The DNC is starting to circulate its after

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<v Speaker 1>action report on the twenty twenty four election. Politico has

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<v Speaker 1>gotten a few sources to talk about the sword of

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<v Speaker 1>top lines that are being circulated to certain Democratic leaders,

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<v Speaker 1>and here's sort of the early take on this according

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<v Speaker 1>to the political report, DNC officials argued Democrats. This is

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<v Speaker 1>I'm reading directly from the political article. DNC officials argued

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats didn't spend early or consistently enough to engage and

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<v Speaker 1>persuade voters, one of several problems the party face in.

0:20:46.520 --> 0:20:47.159
<v Speaker 2>Twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 1>According to the committee, swapping Joe Biden with Kamala Harris

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<v Speaker 1>the top of the ticket intensify those systemic long term

0:20:52.840 --> 0:20:55.159
<v Speaker 1>problems for the party, the official said. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>according to two people that were brief by the DNC

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<v Speaker 1>this week and granted anonymity to discuss the comments for

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<v Speaker 1>what it's worth. So far, in these early briefings of

0:21:04.320 --> 0:21:07.080
<v Speaker 1>this after action report, the so called autopsy of twenty

0:21:07.119 --> 0:21:10.000
<v Speaker 1>twenty four by the DNC, Biden's age has not come

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<v Speaker 1>up now.

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<v Speaker 2>The DNC officials also.

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<v Speaker 1>Said the party's failure to respond to voters's top issues

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<v Speaker 1>led to losses across once core constituencies, including working class voters.

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<v Speaker 1>That is one of those duh, Right, When you don't

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the issue that's most concerned to the voters,

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to likely be on the losing end.

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<v Speaker 2>Of an election.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad it's taken them eight months to write an

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<v Speaker 1>autopsy to come to that conclusion. On that front, Another

0:21:37.320 --> 0:21:39.399
<v Speaker 1>person briefed on the report said that they understood the

0:21:39.400 --> 0:21:42.320
<v Speaker 1>assessment to mean that Democrats quote didn't talk enough about

0:21:42.320 --> 0:21:45.440
<v Speaker 1>bread and butter issues, and instead we talked about social issues,

0:21:45.840 --> 0:21:51.680
<v Speaker 1>social anxieties. Now here's the thing. This idea that the

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats didn't spend early enough actually doesn't fit the facts

0:21:58.320 --> 0:22:02.200
<v Speaker 1>the job. Back when Biden was still actively running for president,

0:22:02.280 --> 0:22:05.639
<v Speaker 1>their campaign actually bought twenty five million dollars worth of

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<v Speaker 1>ads in September of twenty twenty three. It was earlier

0:22:10.040 --> 0:22:13.760
<v Speaker 1>than either Barack Obama or Donald Trump aired ads during

0:22:13.840 --> 0:22:18.359
<v Speaker 1>their first reelections. They also spent another thirty million dollars

0:22:18.359 --> 0:22:21.879
<v Speaker 1>on ads in March of twenty twenty four, and they

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<v Speaker 1>were arguing. Biden's team at the time was arguing, according

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<v Speaker 1>to Political that this early investment for activate key voters.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm confused here. The DNC is claiming it was

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<v Speaker 1>too late of investments and money in this idea when

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<v Speaker 1>actually Democrats had the advantage early with money. Look, it

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<v Speaker 1>sounds like this autopsy is going to end up if

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<v Speaker 1>this is what it is. If this is what they concluded.

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<v Speaker 1>Then they've it is just a a whole bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>words to not say what the real problem was, which

0:22:52.280 --> 0:22:55.639
<v Speaker 1>is Joe Biden shouldn't have run. Joe Biden didn't have

0:22:55.720 --> 0:22:59.120
<v Speaker 1>the capacity to articulate the message that they needed to do.

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<v Speaker 1>But more importantly, the Biden white House totally disagreed with

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<v Speaker 1>the public on what the top issue was. Remember you

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<v Speaker 1>had the Biden white House putting out surrogates constantly saying,

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<v Speaker 1>the economy is recovering, the economy is great, look at

0:23:15.280 --> 0:23:18.320
<v Speaker 1>all the job creation. And they kept arguing making the

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<v Speaker 1>job creation argument, saying, this economy, you know, pay no

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<v Speaker 1>attention to what the rest of the country essentially we don't,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, pay no attention to what you think the

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<v Speaker 1>problem is with the economy, i e.

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<v Speaker 2>Costs.

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<v Speaker 1>You should listen to us and we'll tell you that

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<v Speaker 1>the economy is okay. I mean, it is so this

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<v Speaker 1>initial if this is really the autopsy, it tells me

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<v Speaker 1>that they're just trying to I don't know, are they

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<v Speaker 1>protecting people's personal feelings or is it just I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>do you need an autopsy to find out you had

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<v Speaker 1>a candidate that wasn't capable of running for president. That

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<v Speaker 1>was the issue. He couldn't sell his agenda, and then

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<v Speaker 1>more importantly, whoever was surrounding him totally misread the did

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<v Speaker 1>have any clue at what the country was upset about,

0:24:03.400 --> 0:24:09.680
<v Speaker 1>which was the cost to live. I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>more the autopsy should say other than that, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>other than you know, do they want to try to

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<v Speaker 1>light on fire certain consulting groups or people. Obviously a

0:24:20.440 --> 0:24:22.679
<v Speaker 1>whole bunch of people made a whole bunch of money

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<v Speaker 1>based on bad strategy. Okay, that's a fair point. But

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<v Speaker 1>on the other hand, considering how poorly all of this

0:24:32.080 --> 0:24:36.520
<v Speaker 1>was handled, the fact that they came essentially about one

0:24:36.600 --> 0:24:38.919
<v Speaker 1>hundred thousand voters away from winning the electoral college is

0:24:38.920 --> 0:24:44.280
<v Speaker 1>still pretty remarkable. Again, if Kamala Harris simply flips Michigan, Wisconsin,

0:24:44.280 --> 0:24:46.600
<v Speaker 1>and Pennsylvania, she's at two hundred and seventy electoral votes.

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<v Speaker 1>So they're going to release the whole thing. Apparently they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to release the whole thing after this November's elections,

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<v Speaker 1>but it is if this is what the early word is,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if anything's going to be learned from this.

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<v Speaker 2>To me.

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<v Speaker 1>If the autopsy doesn't say Hey, the DNC has done

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<v Speaker 1>a terrible job over the last fifteen years in registering voters.

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<v Speaker 1>Then to me, the entire autopsy is worthless because that

0:25:14.640 --> 0:25:18.199
<v Speaker 1>has sort of been one of the major problems. The

0:25:18.240 --> 0:25:22.399
<v Speaker 1>party has had a complete and utter dismissiveness of the

0:25:22.440 --> 0:25:26.080
<v Speaker 1>fact that they were losing voters, basically leaking voters for

0:25:26.160 --> 0:25:28.520
<v Speaker 1>the last decade. And now, of course you sort of

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<v Speaker 1>see the accumulation of lost party registrations and it is

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<v Speaker 1>it is shocking what the numbers are. It is almost

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<v Speaker 1>a ten to one. Look, Republicans have lost registered voters

0:25:40.680 --> 0:25:43.399
<v Speaker 1>over the last few years, and so of Democrats. Literally

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<v Speaker 1>it's a ten to one ratio. Democrats are losing ten

0:25:46.240 --> 0:25:50.360
<v Speaker 1>voters for every one voter the Republicans are losing. That

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<v Speaker 1>is an unsustainable path on that front. A few updates

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<v Speaker 1>on Virginia. It does appear that everybody is going to

0:26:02.119 --> 0:26:06.760
<v Speaker 1>rally around for now. Rally around on the Democratic side,

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<v Speaker 1>Jay Jones, I want to read you a few statements

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<v Speaker 1>that a few state Democrats are they're rationales for sticking by,

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<v Speaker 1>for sticking by Jones, the Attorney General nominee, who of

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<v Speaker 1>course had those text messages that were sort of fantasizing

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<v Speaker 1>about the death of a former Assembly speaker's kids. Virginia

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<v Speaker 1>State Senator Lamont Bagbee, who chairs the state's Democratic Party,

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<v Speaker 1>asked the following question in an interview and asked whether

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<v Speaker 1>Jones should resign, and his response was Republicans that are

0:26:42.240 --> 0:26:44.399
<v Speaker 1>asking him to resign? Where were they when Trump and

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<v Speaker 1>other Republicans have made their comments? Ah, the old what

0:26:48.240 --> 0:26:53.520
<v Speaker 1>aboutism defense? And another I want to read you one

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<v Speaker 1>more west blamea well connected progressive activist who teaches at

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<v Speaker 1>Virginia State University, said the following. People I'm the feel

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<v Speaker 1>as if they have to be the perfect, highest moral

0:27:03.400 --> 0:27:06.920
<v Speaker 1>individuals in the world. Normal everyday people stay stupid things

0:27:06.920 --> 0:27:09.520
<v Speaker 1>and text messages online all the time. If that is

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<v Speaker 1>the thing that means the Democratic ticket doesn't win the election,

0:27:12.000 --> 0:27:15.480
<v Speaker 1>then they've got bigger issues. Look, I don't think this

0:27:15.520 --> 0:27:17.560
<v Speaker 1>is going to take down the entire Democratic ticket. It

0:27:17.640 --> 0:27:20.879
<v Speaker 1>probably is only going to take down his own candidacy.

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<v Speaker 1>Could make the LG race a lot closer, and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>Spanburger wins by single digits and it costs them some

0:27:26.880 --> 0:27:30.480
<v Speaker 1>opportunities and down the ballot and state legislative races and

0:27:30.520 --> 0:27:37.040
<v Speaker 1>things like that. But this public defense. This is exactly

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<v Speaker 1>what I've been sort of ranting about now for a

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<v Speaker 1>few months, that the rationales that many Republicans would use

0:27:45.960 --> 0:27:51.359
<v Speaker 1>to overlook hateful and violent rhetoric from Donald Trump and

0:27:51.400 --> 0:27:53.920
<v Speaker 1>some of his supporters, and the sort of oh, can't

0:27:53.920 --> 0:27:57.439
<v Speaker 1>you take a joke and nobody it's not that serious

0:27:58.840 --> 0:28:03.800
<v Speaker 1>that the democratic defense of when somebody on their side

0:28:03.840 --> 0:28:06.679
<v Speaker 1>sort of behaves similarly as well, is now going to

0:28:06.680 --> 0:28:08.560
<v Speaker 1>go to the same thing. Is that really the answer?

0:28:08.880 --> 0:28:10.720
<v Speaker 1>I go back to the whole golden rule. Right, you

0:28:10.760 --> 0:28:12.360
<v Speaker 1>do unto others as you want done under you.

0:28:13.000 --> 0:28:13.160
<v Speaker 2>Right.

0:28:13.240 --> 0:28:15.600
<v Speaker 1>And the Texas governor has decided he is going to

0:28:15.800 --> 0:28:18.280
<v Speaker 1>trounce on the Tenth Amendment when it comes to the

0:28:18.280 --> 0:28:21.080
<v Speaker 1>state of Illinois. But he has no apparently he is

0:28:21.119 --> 0:28:25.760
<v Speaker 1>not worried about Texas's rights being trampled upon if the

0:28:25.880 --> 0:28:32.960
<v Speaker 1>roles were reversed. Okay, ditto here, right, you know, if

0:28:32.960 --> 0:28:35.560
<v Speaker 1>we are trying to tone the rhetoric down, then somebody's

0:28:35.600 --> 0:28:38.720
<v Speaker 1>got to take the high ground here. Somebody's got to

0:28:38.760 --> 0:28:42.480
<v Speaker 1>want to have some moral authority here, and these defenses,

0:28:42.640 --> 0:28:47.920
<v Speaker 1>and look, in fairness, not many well known Democrats are

0:28:47.920 --> 0:28:50.320
<v Speaker 1>willing to stick by and make the defense like that.

0:28:50.520 --> 0:28:53.360
<v Speaker 1>But that mindset, and I know it's there in the

0:28:53.400 --> 0:28:54.200
<v Speaker 1>base of the party.

0:28:54.280 --> 0:28:54.760
<v Speaker 2>I get it.

0:28:54.800 --> 0:28:57.160
<v Speaker 1>They look at what the Republic, what Trump and his

0:28:57.720 --> 0:29:00.520
<v Speaker 1>minions get away with and think, jeez it, it doesn't

0:29:00.560 --> 0:29:03.560
<v Speaker 1>hurt them, So why do we care so much about it?

0:29:03.600 --> 0:29:05.560
<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, there's.

0:29:05.400 --> 0:29:08.400
<v Speaker 1>Still a vast chunk in the middle, who do care

0:29:08.400 --> 0:29:11.760
<v Speaker 1>about ethics, who do care a little bit about character,

0:29:12.240 --> 0:29:17.600
<v Speaker 1>who do want somebody to try to pretend to be

0:29:17.640 --> 0:29:20.560
<v Speaker 1>a role model for doing this the right way instead

0:29:20.600 --> 0:29:21.240
<v Speaker 1>of the wrong way.

0:29:21.320 --> 0:29:24.160
<v Speaker 2>So you know, I'm.

0:29:23.720 --> 0:29:28.680
<v Speaker 1>Sort of shaking my head, but I will I would

0:29:28.680 --> 0:29:34.240
<v Speaker 1>be a little leery Democrats of giving up the adult

0:29:34.280 --> 0:29:36.920
<v Speaker 1>in the room voter, who I do believe they've had

0:29:36.960 --> 0:29:40.520
<v Speaker 1>an inside track on essentially during most of the Trump era.

0:29:41.240 --> 0:29:43.120
<v Speaker 1>But if it's a if you can't beat them, join

0:29:43.160 --> 0:29:47.440
<v Speaker 1>a mindset, I don't know what happens. Then you don't

0:29:47.440 --> 0:29:49.880
<v Speaker 1>know where this goes. Does a go third party, does

0:29:49.920 --> 0:29:52.040
<v Speaker 1>it go splintering. There's a lot of ways that this

0:29:52.160 --> 0:29:55.520
<v Speaker 1>could go. A few campaign notes, I think we have

0:29:55.560 --> 0:29:59.040
<v Speaker 1>another Democrat to add to the presidential list. So we

0:29:59.320 --> 0:30:01.280
<v Speaker 1>told you any be been in New Hampshire. He was

0:30:01.360 --> 0:30:03.600
<v Speaker 1>just there this week. I told you there was already

0:30:03.760 --> 0:30:06.960
<v Speaker 1>a pro Palestinian group running an attack ad on Bisher.

0:30:07.320 --> 0:30:09.080
<v Speaker 1>Sort of an early warning shot I think to all

0:30:09.120 --> 0:30:11.280
<v Speaker 1>presidential candidates that there are going to be some activist

0:30:11.320 --> 0:30:13.800
<v Speaker 1>groups that are going to want to make Israel and

0:30:14.000 --> 0:30:20.600
<v Speaker 1>arming Israel e litmus test. Well, we've got additional Democrats

0:30:20.720 --> 0:30:22.680
<v Speaker 1>on the schedule in New Hampshire, Chris Murphy. I think

0:30:22.680 --> 0:30:26.360
<v Speaker 1>many people already knew the Connecticut Democratic senator was sort

0:30:26.360 --> 0:30:29.280
<v Speaker 1>of at least toying with a national campaign in twenty

0:30:29.360 --> 0:30:30.800
<v Speaker 1>twenty eight. He's going to do a town hall in

0:30:30.800 --> 0:30:35.360
<v Speaker 1>New Hampshire November twelve. But Alyssa Slockton, the first term

0:30:35.440 --> 0:30:38.960
<v Speaker 1>senator from Michigan, is going to headline a fundraiser for

0:30:39.040 --> 0:30:43.880
<v Speaker 1>the Manchester Democratic Dinner on October fifteenth. As my friend

0:30:43.920 --> 0:30:47.000
<v Speaker 1>Chris Eliza likes to say, you know, nobody shows up

0:30:47.000 --> 0:30:49.760
<v Speaker 1>to ior in New Hampshire by accident without at least

0:30:50.120 --> 0:30:53.240
<v Speaker 1>you know they're kicking the tires on something. And what's

0:30:53.280 --> 0:30:59.400
<v Speaker 1>interesting about Slockton is this is she's doing this within

0:30:59.440 --> 0:31:03.480
<v Speaker 1>about two weeks of Gretchen Whitmer, the term limited governor

0:31:03.520 --> 0:31:06.680
<v Speaker 1>of Michigan, sort of indicating that she's probably not going

0:31:06.720 --> 0:31:09.080
<v Speaker 1>to run for president in twenty twenty eight, that she's

0:31:09.240 --> 0:31:12.960
<v Speaker 1>let that she hopes to be participating in what's next,

0:31:12.960 --> 0:31:16.640
<v Speaker 1>but that she probably wouldn't be at the top of

0:31:16.680 --> 0:31:24.120
<v Speaker 1>the ticket herself. Is this coincidence? Is this related? Let's

0:31:24.160 --> 0:31:28.720
<v Speaker 1>just say inquiring minds want to know, and a few

0:31:28.720 --> 0:31:31.240
<v Speaker 1>other California notes. I was just out in California. First

0:31:31.240 --> 0:31:34.160
<v Speaker 1>of all, it does look like the redistricting effort it is.

0:31:36.280 --> 0:31:37.800
<v Speaker 1>I think Gavin Newsom is going to win this prop

0:31:38.440 --> 0:31:42.120
<v Speaker 1>It looks like they've successfully turned this into a referendum

0:31:42.120 --> 0:31:47.520
<v Speaker 1>on Trump, which was the way to win this. And

0:31:48.040 --> 0:31:50.640
<v Speaker 1>it also looks like money is drying up on the

0:31:50.800 --> 0:31:53.680
<v Speaker 1>no side of things. Kevin McCarthy, according to punch Bull News,

0:31:53.720 --> 0:31:56.840
<v Speaker 1>who had pledged to raise and spend one hundred million

0:31:56.880 --> 0:32:00.640
<v Speaker 1>dollars to try to defeat the proposition in the November elections,

0:32:00.920 --> 0:32:03.440
<v Speaker 1>has so far only been able to spend seven millions.

0:32:03.480 --> 0:32:06.080
<v Speaker 1>So it does seem as if that it's possible some

0:32:06.160 --> 0:32:08.680
<v Speaker 1>money is drying up. So if you're you're if you're

0:32:08.760 --> 0:32:12.920
<v Speaker 1>keeping track of the redistricting wars, so if California is

0:32:12.920 --> 0:32:15.040
<v Speaker 1>gonna happen and Texas is going to happen. They've canceled

0:32:15.080 --> 0:32:18.320
<v Speaker 1>each other out, so now it becomes this sort of

0:32:19.480 --> 0:32:22.480
<v Speaker 1>night fight one by one. So we're gonna have Missouri,

0:32:22.960 --> 0:32:26.520
<v Speaker 1>you might have Indiana. Then there's the Utah redraw. There

0:32:26.560 --> 0:32:32.000
<v Speaker 1>could be now a Maryland redraw. Does Florida get into

0:32:32.080 --> 0:32:35.680
<v Speaker 1>the game, right, there is another potential seat or two

0:32:36.000 --> 0:32:39.520
<v Speaker 1>they could attempt in Broward County. If you remember my

0:32:39.560 --> 0:32:42.920
<v Speaker 1>interview with Jared Moskowitz, even w Wasserman Schultz's district, they

0:32:42.920 --> 0:32:45.760
<v Speaker 1>think maybe they could they sort of stretch it across

0:32:45.760 --> 0:32:50.680
<v Speaker 1>Alligator ally and essentially try to create districts that would

0:32:50.680 --> 0:32:53.280
<v Speaker 1>have nothing in common. I mean, trust me, growing up

0:32:53.320 --> 0:32:57.360
<v Speaker 1>in South Florida, you know the Fort Myers and and

0:32:57.600 --> 0:33:01.360
<v Speaker 1>Fort Lauderdale have nothing in common that much other than

0:33:01.400 --> 0:33:03.480
<v Speaker 1>one's on water and the others on water. But one's

0:33:03.520 --> 0:33:05.360
<v Speaker 1>on an ocean and one's in a golf right.

0:33:05.240 --> 0:33:08.120
<v Speaker 2>It is, but it is too far away to.

0:33:08.480 --> 0:33:11.920
<v Speaker 1>Call it a community of interest. But that doesn't mean

0:33:12.280 --> 0:33:15.560
<v Speaker 1>that isn't how they might attempt to draw the map

0:33:15.600 --> 0:33:18.480
<v Speaker 1>and make a couple of Democrats in the Broward County

0:33:18.840 --> 0:33:22.560
<v Speaker 1>area a little more a little more vulnerable. But if

0:33:22.560 --> 0:33:28.280
<v Speaker 1>we do have sort of this stand off between California

0:33:28.280 --> 0:33:31.960
<v Speaker 1>and Texas. Then it probably means at best Republicans are

0:33:32.000 --> 0:33:35.360
<v Speaker 1>going to net maybe three or four I think max

0:33:35.480 --> 0:33:38.840
<v Speaker 1>out of this redistricting effort now in an extraordinarily close

0:33:40.760 --> 0:33:44.880
<v Speaker 1>midterm election, that could be the difference. And if it

0:33:44.920 --> 0:33:48.040
<v Speaker 1>is that close, and to me, Democrats already have lost,

0:33:48.200 --> 0:33:51.520
<v Speaker 1>right if they can't make this where they're sort of

0:33:51.720 --> 0:33:55.200
<v Speaker 1>winning the national argument, you know, in the generic ballot

0:33:55.480 --> 0:34:00.680
<v Speaker 1>five six, seven points, well then you know we're going

0:34:00.720 --> 0:34:03.240
<v Speaker 1>to be looking at you know, two or three seats

0:34:04.520 --> 0:34:07.480
<v Speaker 1>on either side. And speaking of California, I think what's

0:34:07.520 --> 0:34:10.719
<v Speaker 1>notable if you're listening to this podcast, my guess is

0:34:10.719 --> 0:34:15.520
<v Speaker 1>you've already seen the Katie Porter clip. The former member

0:34:15.520 --> 0:34:18.280
<v Speaker 1>of Congress who lost a Senate campaign against Adam Schiff,

0:34:19.120 --> 0:34:23.200
<v Speaker 1>has been the nominal front runner for governor ever since

0:34:23.719 --> 0:34:26.280
<v Speaker 1>Kulanacas got out of the race and Kamala Harris announced

0:34:26.280 --> 0:34:28.480
<v Speaker 1>she wasn't going to run. So Katie Bore has kind

0:34:28.520 --> 0:34:30.279
<v Speaker 1>of been the front runner. I've never really thought of

0:34:30.280 --> 0:34:32.240
<v Speaker 1>her as the front runner because I think Rick Caruso,

0:34:32.400 --> 0:34:34.920
<v Speaker 1>the guy who lost the mayor's race to Karen vass

0:34:34.960 --> 0:34:37.959
<v Speaker 1>in LA when he jumps in, he was likely going

0:34:38.040 --> 0:34:42.600
<v Speaker 1>to be the new front runner when he gets in.

0:34:42.680 --> 0:34:44.800
<v Speaker 1>My guess is he gets in after the November elections.

0:34:46.200 --> 0:34:48.080
<v Speaker 1>But for now, Porter had been the one. She had

0:34:48.120 --> 0:34:51.120
<v Speaker 1>the most name id from her previous campaign for Senate,

0:34:51.400 --> 0:34:53.920
<v Speaker 1>so she'd been ahead, but she was like in the twenties,

0:34:54.080 --> 0:34:56.880
<v Speaker 1>you know in some of these polls. Well, anyway, that

0:34:57.040 --> 0:34:59.880
<v Speaker 1>the viral interview, I'm not going to sort of just

0:35:00.000 --> 0:35:02.480
<v Speaker 1>describe it in detail because it's been everywhere. I think

0:35:02.520 --> 0:35:06.120
<v Speaker 1>what's notable is how much both Republicans and Democrats piled

0:35:06.120 --> 0:35:10.600
<v Speaker 1>on this. Plenty of us who have covered Katie Porter,

0:35:10.840 --> 0:35:15.479
<v Speaker 1>covered Congress, covered the California delegation have known that she's

0:35:15.480 --> 0:35:18.120
<v Speaker 1>not very popular among Democrats. You know, she may be

0:35:18.160 --> 0:35:22.960
<v Speaker 1>popular among MSNBC viewers and among many progressive activists, but

0:35:23.040 --> 0:35:27.440
<v Speaker 1>among the sort of insider crowd, she wasn't very popular,

0:35:27.480 --> 0:35:29.520
<v Speaker 1>and not because of her stances, but sort of because

0:35:29.520 --> 0:35:32.680
<v Speaker 1>of her attitude and sort of how she went about it.

0:35:32.760 --> 0:35:36.400
<v Speaker 1>You know, she's in some ways what's good outsider politics

0:35:36.480 --> 0:35:40.600
<v Speaker 1>is not always good insider camaraderie. And frankly, if you're

0:35:40.640 --> 0:35:44.520
<v Speaker 1>going to be governor, you gotta work with other people

0:35:45.520 --> 0:35:50.040
<v Speaker 1>I think her inability to handle what wasn't tough questions.

0:35:50.400 --> 0:35:54.360
<v Speaker 1>These weren't hard questions. It makes me wonder has she

0:35:54.440 --> 0:35:57.759
<v Speaker 1>spent too much time in a blue safe space when

0:35:57.800 --> 0:36:02.520
<v Speaker 1>she interacts with maybe blue leaning me that don't challenge her,

0:36:03.160 --> 0:36:07.399
<v Speaker 1>and these were lightly challenging questions. I mean, no, I'm

0:36:07.440 --> 0:36:09.520
<v Speaker 1>not disrespecting the reporter at all. I think the reporter

0:36:09.840 --> 0:36:11.880
<v Speaker 1>it's clear what she was doing. She was doing a

0:36:11.960 --> 0:36:14.640
<v Speaker 1>larger package and talking to all the candidates, you know.

0:36:14.880 --> 0:36:20.520
<v Speaker 1>I think she made that, made that pretty clear. But

0:36:20.560 --> 0:36:24.760
<v Speaker 1>you want to be governor of the world's fifth largest

0:36:24.800 --> 0:36:29.640
<v Speaker 1>economy and you can't handle a tiny bit of a

0:36:29.719 --> 0:36:32.680
<v Speaker 1>tiny bit of a follow up question about Trump voters

0:36:33.160 --> 0:36:35.399
<v Speaker 1>and you sort of lose it really quickly. I mean,

0:36:35.680 --> 0:36:38.680
<v Speaker 1>you're not gonna be able to control every setting in politics,

0:36:38.680 --> 0:36:41.320
<v Speaker 1>no matter where you go. So but the most notable

0:36:41.320 --> 0:36:43.480
<v Speaker 1>thing about this is not the incident itself. To me,

0:36:44.160 --> 0:36:46.600
<v Speaker 1>it's how much everybody else piled on.

0:36:47.280 --> 0:36:48.080
<v Speaker 2>She does not.

0:36:48.719 --> 0:36:52.760
<v Speaker 1>Have a reservoir of goodwill inside the Democratic Party, it seems,

0:36:53.400 --> 0:36:57.239
<v Speaker 1>and I think the way she behaved after losing, after

0:36:57.320 --> 0:37:00.360
<v Speaker 1>not making it into the top two with Adam Shift

0:37:00.360 --> 0:37:04.440
<v Speaker 1>in the Senate race, and you know, she just she didn't,

0:37:04.520 --> 0:37:08.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, she was angry that Adam Schiff played to win. Right,

0:37:08.320 --> 0:37:13.400
<v Speaker 1>So Adam Shift spent money promoting Steve Garvey during that

0:37:13.520 --> 0:37:17.560
<v Speaker 1>primary process so that Garvy would be seen as the

0:37:17.680 --> 0:37:21.960
<v Speaker 1>chief Republican opposition to Shift, and so that way the

0:37:22.000 --> 0:37:25.319
<v Speaker 1>top two face off would be Shift versus Garvey. D

0:37:25.480 --> 0:37:29.600
<v Speaker 1>versus are very easy campaign for Shift to win, rather

0:37:29.680 --> 0:37:32.320
<v Speaker 1>than Shift versus Porter, which would have been D versus

0:37:32.440 --> 0:37:38.040
<v Speaker 1>D might have been very awkward and a much closer race,

0:37:38.160 --> 0:37:40.360
<v Speaker 1>much more competitive, and we don't know which way it

0:37:40.360 --> 0:37:43.319
<v Speaker 1>would go. Obviously, Porter was still very bitter about it,

0:37:43.719 --> 0:37:45.640
<v Speaker 1>and sort of the way she went about it, you know,

0:37:45.640 --> 0:37:49.360
<v Speaker 1>it was sort of like sour grapes that Adam Shift

0:37:49.400 --> 0:37:54.319
<v Speaker 1>did something, you know, did a campaign tactic that is

0:37:54.400 --> 0:37:58.719
<v Speaker 1>not new, not that controversial anymore. It's sort of how,

0:37:58.760 --> 0:38:01.879
<v Speaker 1>you you know, he had the resources to do it,

0:38:03.239 --> 0:38:06.560
<v Speaker 1>and because she didn't have the same resources in him,

0:38:06.640 --> 0:38:11.000
<v Speaker 1>she was frustrated that he got to have more impact

0:38:11.280 --> 0:38:15.360
<v Speaker 1>on who he got to run against than she could.

0:38:16.480 --> 0:38:20.520
<v Speaker 1>And so I do think that how she how she

0:38:20.760 --> 0:38:26.359
<v Speaker 1>carried herself in losing that primary didn't exactly win her

0:38:26.440 --> 0:38:30.680
<v Speaker 1>a lot of friends outside of her core base of supporters.

0:38:30.719 --> 0:38:35.600
<v Speaker 1>So this was a red flag and probably probably the

0:38:35.640 --> 0:38:38.520
<v Speaker 1>type of thing that will be hard for her to

0:38:38.719 --> 0:38:43.800
<v Speaker 1>shake off, especially since how easily everybody seemed to pile

0:38:44.160 --> 0:38:49.840
<v Speaker 1>onto her on that fashion Cure. A long time political consultant,

0:38:49.840 --> 0:38:54.320
<v Speaker 1>he ran Bernie Sanders' camp campaign for president in twenty twenty.

0:38:55.480 --> 0:38:59.880
<v Speaker 1>He's right now aligned with the video the Progressive Lean

0:39:00.160 --> 0:39:01.520
<v Speaker 1>video Have More Perfect Union.

0:39:01.560 --> 0:39:02.680
<v Speaker 2>They do some really good work.

0:39:03.800 --> 0:39:09.279
<v Speaker 1>Yes, it's sort of advocacy journalism. But what's interesting is

0:39:09.320 --> 0:39:13.200
<v Speaker 1>he was very critical of what he thought Democrats were

0:39:13.239 --> 0:39:16.480
<v Speaker 1>doing when it came to short form video. You know,

0:39:16.560 --> 0:39:19.480
<v Speaker 1>he was saying that that while people like Gavin Newsom

0:39:19.520 --> 0:39:23.040
<v Speaker 1>and you've seen Akim Jeffreys and Chuck Schumer all doing

0:39:23.080 --> 0:39:25.880
<v Speaker 1>more videos themselves trying to talk to voters sort of

0:39:25.880 --> 0:39:30.000
<v Speaker 1>explaining different policies, that he thinks it's not worked, and

0:39:30.040 --> 0:39:34.440
<v Speaker 1>he thinks that if you want more effective viral videos,

0:39:34.760 --> 0:39:37.600
<v Speaker 1>you've got to talk to people who's actually impacted by

0:39:37.600 --> 0:39:42.160
<v Speaker 1>the situation. And he noted the he said, the raw,

0:39:42.320 --> 0:39:47.319
<v Speaker 1>emotionally jarring clips of human suffering in Gaza and the

0:39:47.320 --> 0:39:51.880
<v Speaker 1>outrages videos of ice agents separating families, that those videos

0:39:52.000 --> 0:39:55.319
<v Speaker 1>go more viral than when a politician is telling you

0:39:55.680 --> 0:39:58.840
<v Speaker 1>what they think, and as he said, those clips have

0:39:58.920 --> 0:40:01.400
<v Speaker 1>done more to change public opinion on those issues than

0:40:01.440 --> 0:40:06.080
<v Speaker 1>anything else. His point is, real people are who you

0:40:06.120 --> 0:40:09.520
<v Speaker 1>should be featuring when you're trying to make a point

0:40:09.640 --> 0:40:13.120
<v Speaker 1>on the cost to live, on the impact of healthcare

0:40:13.120 --> 0:40:17.560
<v Speaker 1>subsidies going away, or the impact of no childcare tax credit,

0:40:17.600 --> 0:40:22.360
<v Speaker 1>things like that. And this goes back to some politics never.

0:40:22.280 --> 0:40:22.879
<v Speaker 2>Change, right.

0:40:24.000 --> 0:40:28.400
<v Speaker 1>If you make your campaign about the people you're trying

0:40:28.480 --> 0:40:31.560
<v Speaker 1>to convince to vote for you, they're more likely to listen.

0:40:31.960 --> 0:40:35.000
<v Speaker 1>If you make the campaign essentially about your own ideology

0:40:35.120 --> 0:40:37.720
<v Speaker 1>or your own views and you're trying to persuade others

0:40:38.080 --> 0:40:41.760
<v Speaker 1>to come to your side, you're more likely to be losing.

0:40:43.520 --> 0:40:46.920
<v Speaker 1>And so I just thought that deserved a highlight. I

0:40:46.960 --> 0:40:50.080
<v Speaker 1>caught what he had to say, and I thought it

0:40:50.120 --> 0:41:05.839
<v Speaker 1>was something worth pointing out. Anyway, let's do a few

0:41:05.920 --> 0:41:11.680
<v Speaker 1>Q and as ask Chuck. This one comes from John

0:41:11.680 --> 0:41:13.760
<v Speaker 1>A from New Orleans. Hey, Chuck really loved the cast.

0:41:13.960 --> 0:41:16.280
<v Speaker 1>As Mayor Koch would say, you are a voice of reason.

0:41:16.560 --> 0:41:17.319
<v Speaker 2>I appreciate that.

0:41:17.680 --> 0:41:19.319
<v Speaker 1>Here's an idea that I would like your feedback on.

0:41:19.360 --> 0:41:21.680
<v Speaker 1>We use the tax code to influence behavior all the time, Yes,

0:41:21.719 --> 0:41:24.040
<v Speaker 1>we do. Why not do it to encourage a true

0:41:24.040 --> 0:41:26.600
<v Speaker 1>democratic good? Give people a seventy five dollars tax credit

0:41:26.600 --> 0:41:29.040
<v Speaker 1>every time they vote in a national election. More voters

0:41:29.080 --> 0:41:32.880
<v Speaker 1>would significantly change voting dynamics. It would give third parties

0:41:32.920 --> 0:41:35.759
<v Speaker 1>a real shot in the arm. The effect would be profound,

0:41:36.360 --> 0:41:39.160
<v Speaker 1>and we wouldn't need a constitutional convention to make the change.

0:41:39.239 --> 0:41:48.800
<v Speaker 1>Thoughts interesting, So we're paying people to vote? I guess

0:41:48.960 --> 0:41:51.520
<v Speaker 1>that's you know, it's not like Australia. What is I

0:41:51.560 --> 0:41:53.720
<v Speaker 1>think it's Australia that has sort of mandatory voting.

0:41:58.000 --> 0:41:58.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

0:41:58.640 --> 0:42:05.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm I hear what you're saying. There's a part of me.

0:42:05.280 --> 0:42:08.160
<v Speaker 1>There's a lyric from an old Rush song. If you

0:42:08.239 --> 0:42:10.640
<v Speaker 1>choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.

0:42:11.400 --> 0:42:17.000
<v Speaker 1>It's their song free will. So are we going to

0:42:17.080 --> 0:42:19.440
<v Speaker 1>financially penalize people who decide they want to sit out

0:42:19.480 --> 0:42:21.480
<v Speaker 1>a national election? You see where I'm going here? So

0:42:22.160 --> 0:42:25.759
<v Speaker 1>I hear where you're going. I you know, we had

0:42:25.760 --> 0:42:26.880
<v Speaker 1>that back and.

0:42:26.760 --> 0:42:27.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

0:42:27.960 --> 0:42:29.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to guess what your age is. But

0:42:29.680 --> 0:42:31.839
<v Speaker 1>there was a time where you used to be able

0:42:31.840 --> 0:42:35.120
<v Speaker 1>to check off on your tax returns. You know, yes,

0:42:35.200 --> 0:42:37.759
<v Speaker 1>I want, you know, a dollar, one dollar of my

0:42:38.280 --> 0:42:43.680
<v Speaker 1>tax return to go to the presidential presidential campaign fund.

0:42:44.040 --> 0:42:46.880
<v Speaker 1>This was back when presidential candidates would get matching funds.

0:42:47.239 --> 0:42:48.880
<v Speaker 1>We had a period of time where we were hoping

0:42:48.880 --> 0:42:52.719
<v Speaker 1>to at least partially public fund elections to keep you know,

0:42:52.760 --> 0:42:55.759
<v Speaker 1>to sort of keep the influence of money down. Well, eventually,

0:42:56.520 --> 0:42:58.439
<v Speaker 1>you know, I think George W. Bush was the first

0:42:58.480 --> 0:43:00.279
<v Speaker 1>one to be able to raise enough money not having

0:43:00.320 --> 0:43:02.080
<v Speaker 1>to worry about the federal system. And then all of

0:43:02.120 --> 0:43:04.919
<v Speaker 1>a sudden, everybody got out of it, and so it's

0:43:05.239 --> 0:43:09.800
<v Speaker 1>it's sort of lost its relevance. But I do agree

0:43:09.840 --> 0:43:12.920
<v Speaker 1>with you generally that the tax code is a good

0:43:12.960 --> 0:43:16.560
<v Speaker 1>that financial incentives. In some ways, it goes back to

0:43:16.600 --> 0:43:20.919
<v Speaker 1>the incentive issue. Right, if you want if you want

0:43:20.920 --> 0:43:22.840
<v Speaker 1>better outcomes, then create better incentives.

0:43:22.960 --> 0:43:23.160
<v Speaker 2>Right.

0:43:23.360 --> 0:43:26.200
<v Speaker 1>If you think more people need to participate, then that

0:43:26.360 --> 0:43:30.319
<v Speaker 1>is one idea to to certainly incentivize people to do it.

0:43:32.440 --> 0:43:35.359
<v Speaker 1>I still think that the bigger issue is we need

0:43:35.400 --> 0:43:38.400
<v Speaker 1>equal access to the ballot, and you need equal access

0:43:39.160 --> 0:43:42.919
<v Speaker 1>to vote for everybody, right, And I do think primaries,

0:43:43.400 --> 0:43:48.680
<v Speaker 1>particularly state run, state funded primaries do violate equal protection.

0:43:49.239 --> 0:43:51.000
<v Speaker 1>You know, the fact is, if I'm not a registered

0:43:51.080 --> 0:43:53.680
<v Speaker 1>voter of that party, I can't participate in that taxpayer

0:43:53.800 --> 0:43:54.640
<v Speaker 1>funded election.

0:43:56.080 --> 0:43:57.320
<v Speaker 2>That feels like a penalty.

0:43:59.360 --> 0:44:02.239
<v Speaker 1>And so and I do think that if you're looking

0:44:02.280 --> 0:44:07.200
<v Speaker 1>at one thing, one single thing that we could do

0:44:07.239 --> 0:44:12.040
<v Speaker 1>differently that might actually have massive impact on our politics

0:44:12.200 --> 0:44:17.200
<v Speaker 1>is if we got rid of partisan primaries altogether and

0:44:17.440 --> 0:44:21.320
<v Speaker 1>had essentially everybody, you know, like the mayor's races, all

0:44:21.360 --> 0:44:27.680
<v Speaker 1>party primaries. So I'm with you on using the tax

0:44:27.719 --> 0:44:32.719
<v Speaker 1>code as a way to incentivize better behavior. I struggle

0:44:32.800 --> 0:44:34.720
<v Speaker 1>with the idea of using it as.

0:44:34.520 --> 0:44:35.640
<v Speaker 2>A reward for voting.

0:44:37.000 --> 0:44:43.200
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's sort of there's it that I in

0:44:43.239 --> 0:44:46.759
<v Speaker 1>a weird way that feels, you know, one step away

0:44:46.760 --> 0:44:49.520
<v Speaker 1>from buying a vote, right, So there's a there's I

0:44:49.680 --> 0:44:54.360
<v Speaker 1>just I'll admit I'm slightly uncomfortable with that larger concept,

0:44:54.400 --> 0:44:57.680
<v Speaker 1>but I am quite comfortable with using the tax code

0:44:57.719 --> 0:45:00.600
<v Speaker 1>to incentive I mean, look, home ownership in some ways

0:45:00.800 --> 0:45:06.439
<v Speaker 1>is promoted because of the tech. We promote ownership through

0:45:06.480 --> 0:45:11.040
<v Speaker 1>the tax code with mortgage deduction. So there's always I

0:45:11.040 --> 0:45:15.560
<v Speaker 1>think good ways to use the tax code help to

0:45:15.640 --> 0:45:20.360
<v Speaker 1>help people. If you will, but interesting thought and certainly

0:45:20.360 --> 0:45:24.319
<v Speaker 1>worth chewing on. Thanks for the question, John all right.

0:45:24.320 --> 0:45:26.160
<v Speaker 1>Next question comes from Carry and saying Lewis, Hey, Chuck,

0:45:26.160 --> 0:45:28.759
<v Speaker 1>You've mentioned the logistical challenge of third parties, But with

0:45:28.840 --> 0:45:31.720
<v Speaker 1>Democrats wandering in the wilderness and Republicans without a platform,

0:45:32.000 --> 0:45:34.680
<v Speaker 1>what about an American unity platform that anyone running could

0:45:34.680 --> 0:45:37.759
<v Speaker 1>pledge to support. Focus on making government more responsive to

0:45:37.800 --> 0:45:39.719
<v Speaker 1>the needs of citizens, working to get big money out

0:45:39.719 --> 0:45:44.000
<v Speaker 1>of politics, constitutional convention ending, germ mandering, maybe even required

0:45:44.640 --> 0:45:48.040
<v Speaker 1>civic service for young people. Yes, I'm huge national service person.

0:45:48.400 --> 0:45:50.759
<v Speaker 2>Could that work? What would you include in this platform? Thanks?

0:45:50.800 --> 0:45:53.160
<v Speaker 2>And I love the history highlights. Oh great, best wishes.

0:45:53.880 --> 0:45:56.759
<v Speaker 1>Look, I love this and in many ways what you're

0:45:56.800 --> 0:46:00.520
<v Speaker 1>describing is what my late mentor Doug Bailey, when he

0:46:01.280 --> 0:46:03.600
<v Speaker 1>Unity eight is what he called it back in two

0:46:03.640 --> 0:46:06.040
<v Speaker 1>thousand and eight. In the run up to that election,

0:46:07.080 --> 0:46:09.239
<v Speaker 1>he was trying to create a process that could help

0:46:09.320 --> 0:46:14.960
<v Speaker 1>nominate a bipartisan ticket. Well, then the two parties nominated

0:46:15.000 --> 0:46:18.000
<v Speaker 1>the two most bipartisan people that were running. Right, Literally,

0:46:18.239 --> 0:46:22.279
<v Speaker 1>the most popular Democrat among Republicans was Barack Obama and

0:46:22.320 --> 0:46:26.120
<v Speaker 1>the most popular Republican among Democrats was John McCain. They

0:46:26.160 --> 0:46:28.760
<v Speaker 1>both did well among independence and they both won their nomination,

0:46:28.880 --> 0:46:31.920
<v Speaker 1>So it made Unity eight kind of a pointless exercise.

0:46:31.960 --> 0:46:36.680
<v Speaker 1>He was anticipating that it would be Hillary Clinton and

0:46:36.719 --> 0:46:40.959
<v Speaker 1>Rudy Giuliani right, a more polarizing, divisive matchup that would

0:46:40.960 --> 0:46:46.719
<v Speaker 1>then leave room for a more unifying bipartisan ticket. But

0:46:46.960 --> 0:46:51.719
<v Speaker 1>it is, you know, and in fact, what is the

0:46:51.880 --> 0:46:56.480
<v Speaker 1>today's Forward Party has some of the remnants of what

0:46:56.640 --> 0:46:59.360
<v Speaker 1>Doug began. Some of the folks that have been working

0:46:59.400 --> 0:47:02.640
<v Speaker 1>on the Open Primaries movement to try to sort of

0:47:02.640 --> 0:47:06.520
<v Speaker 1>get rid of partisan primaries, the gentleman that's been working

0:47:07.320 --> 0:47:12.280
<v Speaker 1>on trying to get rank choice voting to be considered

0:47:12.320 --> 0:47:15.440
<v Speaker 1>in other states. All of it is derivative of what

0:47:16.840 --> 0:47:17.919
<v Speaker 1>Doug began with.

0:47:19.760 --> 0:47:20.480
<v Speaker 2>Unity O eight.

0:47:21.239 --> 0:47:23.360
<v Speaker 1>And I will tell you this. You are to me

0:47:24.040 --> 0:47:26.360
<v Speaker 1>on the right path of what kind of to me

0:47:26.480 --> 0:47:30.440
<v Speaker 1>that look in an ideal word, would be a four

0:47:30.480 --> 0:47:33.160
<v Speaker 1>party system. I think that's I'm not gonna I'm trying

0:47:33.200 --> 0:47:38.200
<v Speaker 1>to be realistic here. The most the most likely way

0:47:38.680 --> 0:47:43.239
<v Speaker 1>that a third party could have an impact is sort

0:47:43.239 --> 0:47:46.239
<v Speaker 1>of helping to reform the two major parties by sort

0:47:46.280 --> 0:47:50.560
<v Speaker 1>of running a race that did this. And I think

0:47:50.800 --> 0:47:54.280
<v Speaker 1>you don't you want to plan And this gets it

0:47:54.400 --> 0:47:57.759
<v Speaker 1>to a debate that I know some folks that are

0:47:58.320 --> 0:48:01.799
<v Speaker 1>involved with the Forward Party, Andrew Yang, Christie Whitman Party,

0:48:01.840 --> 0:48:04.400
<v Speaker 1>the sort of the third party movement where there's a

0:48:04.440 --> 0:48:07.120
<v Speaker 1>debate are they a movement to try to get the

0:48:07.160 --> 0:48:09.839
<v Speaker 1>two parties to become more rational or do they want

0:48:09.840 --> 0:48:12.640
<v Speaker 1>to be their own standalone party that essentially replaces one

0:48:12.680 --> 0:48:17.640
<v Speaker 1>of the two major parties and why? And if you're

0:48:17.680 --> 0:48:19.040
<v Speaker 1>going to be one thing, then you're going to have

0:48:19.120 --> 0:48:22.600
<v Speaker 1>more issues you might take a stand on. And the

0:48:23.000 --> 0:48:26.560
<v Speaker 1>more issues you take a stand on, the more opportunity

0:48:26.560 --> 0:48:29.240
<v Speaker 1>you have of potentially pushing some people, you know away.

0:48:29.239 --> 0:48:34.560
<v Speaker 1>If you're trying to be this sort of moderate party

0:48:34.560 --> 0:48:36.880
<v Speaker 1>that sort of shoots you know, that sort of shoots

0:48:36.920 --> 0:48:40.160
<v Speaker 1>the gap in between the two parties, then I do

0:48:40.239 --> 0:48:42.719
<v Speaker 1>think you want a platform like the one you describe,

0:48:42.760 --> 0:48:44.839
<v Speaker 1>where hey, look, we need to we need to make

0:48:44.880 --> 0:48:50.399
<v Speaker 1>some massive reforms in how the democracy works. And this

0:48:50.440 --> 0:48:52.319
<v Speaker 1>isn't going to be about whether we should have more

0:48:52.360 --> 0:48:55.000
<v Speaker 1>immigrants or less immigrants. This is about whether we're going

0:48:55.040 --> 0:48:58.799
<v Speaker 1>to have a system that is easily understandable and how

0:48:58.800 --> 0:49:02.680
<v Speaker 1>immigration works. Right, it is almost like a technocratic campaign

0:49:02.719 --> 0:49:04.840
<v Speaker 1>that you would run. Now, the problem with that is,

0:49:04.960 --> 0:49:09.480
<v Speaker 1>I think you need an incredibly charismatic individual to be

0:49:09.600 --> 0:49:12.080
<v Speaker 1>the leader of that movement. Ross Perot had his own charisma,

0:49:12.080 --> 0:49:15.440
<v Speaker 1>Teddy Roosevelt had his own charisma. Shoot, even George Wallace,

0:49:15.480 --> 0:49:20.480
<v Speaker 1>who was arguably had some success at least in shifting

0:49:20.520 --> 0:49:25.239
<v Speaker 1>that election to Nixon in sixty eight, had had enough

0:49:25.320 --> 0:49:29.560
<v Speaker 1>charisma to lead a movement. So there is a you

0:49:29.600 --> 0:49:32.640
<v Speaker 1>can't just do this as a dry technocratic exercise.

0:49:34.400 --> 0:49:37.200
<v Speaker 2>But I do think.

0:49:38.600 --> 0:49:42.360
<v Speaker 1>Going after process and talking about how we need the

0:49:42.400 --> 0:49:45.560
<v Speaker 1>structural reform of the democracy, and I think post Trump

0:49:45.600 --> 0:49:47.799
<v Speaker 1>there'll be an appetite for this. The question is is

0:49:47.800 --> 0:49:49.799
<v Speaker 1>there an appetite for it in twenty eight or do

0:49:49.840 --> 0:49:53.200
<v Speaker 1>we need sort of a couple more years removed from

0:49:53.239 --> 0:49:57.440
<v Speaker 1>Trump before there'll be a full appetite for this. But

0:49:58.760 --> 0:50:01.840
<v Speaker 1>American Unity Platform, I mean, I'm gonna keep saying it

0:50:01.880 --> 0:50:03.680
<v Speaker 1>over and over. So my friends at the Forward Party

0:50:03.680 --> 0:50:07.800
<v Speaker 1>who I know listen to this podcast regularly. It's a

0:50:07.840 --> 0:50:12.759
<v Speaker 1>good idea because, especially if it's about how you centered it,

0:50:12.840 --> 0:50:14.320
<v Speaker 1>how do you make government more responsive?

0:50:14.440 --> 0:50:14.560
<v Speaker 2>Right?

0:50:14.640 --> 0:50:17.480
<v Speaker 1>Things I'd put in there is doubling the size of

0:50:17.480 --> 0:50:20.600
<v Speaker 1>the House. Right, maybe it's a constitutional amendment that says,

0:50:20.920 --> 0:50:24.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, no congressional district can be, you know, bigger

0:50:24.280 --> 0:50:26.840
<v Speaker 1>than point zero zero zero one percent of the population,

0:50:27.120 --> 0:50:29.399
<v Speaker 1>which would give a metric so that way you could

0:50:29.440 --> 0:50:33.000
<v Speaker 1>deal in case our population shrinks overtime rather than expands.

0:50:33.880 --> 0:50:35.360
<v Speaker 1>But that's something I would put in there because I

0:50:35.360 --> 0:50:37.440
<v Speaker 1>think that would be something that would make us more responsive.

0:50:37.480 --> 0:50:40.440
<v Speaker 1>Getting rid of partisan primaries where you're doing things that

0:50:40.520 --> 0:50:44.120
<v Speaker 1>are not about specific issues themselves, because that's where you

0:50:44.160 --> 0:50:48.480
<v Speaker 1>start to third parties can sometimes lose support almost the

0:50:48.480 --> 0:50:50.120
<v Speaker 1>more positions you start taking.

0:50:52.560 --> 0:50:54.239
<v Speaker 2>So it is, it is.

0:50:54.800 --> 0:50:59.759
<v Speaker 1>You certainly have warmed my heart in what you're prescribing.

0:50:59.800 --> 0:51:03.719
<v Speaker 1>But one of the things that I've learned is when

0:51:03.760 --> 0:51:05.880
<v Speaker 1>you have the luxury to worry about this, and you

0:51:05.880 --> 0:51:08.680
<v Speaker 1>don't have a financial crisis in your life or a

0:51:08.680 --> 0:51:12.480
<v Speaker 1>healthcare crisis, you have the luxury to worry about the democracy.

0:51:12.480 --> 0:51:14.560
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of voters out there who, in theory

0:51:14.920 --> 0:51:17.479
<v Speaker 1>might agree with this platform, but are more worried about

0:51:17.480 --> 0:51:19.560
<v Speaker 1>the near term and are going to be more in

0:51:19.600 --> 0:51:23.640
<v Speaker 1>tune with somebody that's going to throw them a bone immediately, right,

0:51:23.719 --> 0:51:26.879
<v Speaker 1>a benefit bone of some sort immediately, And I think

0:51:26.920 --> 0:51:30.400
<v Speaker 1>that's the only risk in trying to run a very

0:51:30.440 --> 0:51:33.319
<v Speaker 1>sort of let's fix the democracy, because you almost have

0:51:33.360 --> 0:51:35.960
<v Speaker 1>to have a majority agreement that it's broken. And we're

0:51:35.960 --> 0:51:38.920
<v Speaker 1>getting there, right. We have over sixty percent saying we're

0:51:38.920 --> 0:51:42.839
<v Speaker 1>in a political crisis. So it may be that by

0:51:43.280 --> 0:51:48.280
<v Speaker 1>the fall of twenty seven this is a very appealing idea,

0:51:49.719 --> 0:51:52.960
<v Speaker 1>which is but the idea of just putting out a platform,

0:51:54.080 --> 0:51:57.240
<v Speaker 1>almost without a candidate and even without a political party

0:51:57.320 --> 0:52:00.839
<v Speaker 1>is an interesting idea as well. So anyway, you've given

0:52:00.840 --> 0:52:02.560
<v Speaker 1>me a lot to chew on that this is not

0:52:02.680 --> 0:52:05.280
<v Speaker 1>something I want to give up, the American Unity Platform.

0:52:06.400 --> 0:52:09.359
<v Speaker 1>I love how that sounds, all right. Next question comes

0:52:09.360 --> 0:52:11.360
<v Speaker 1>from Heather from Littleton, Colorado.

0:52:12.280 --> 0:52:12.680
<v Speaker 2>Hey, there, I.

0:52:12.719 --> 0:52:15.279
<v Speaker 1>Heard you chat your chat with Chrystaliza and appreciated what

0:52:15.320 --> 0:52:17.520
<v Speaker 1>you said about Trump being the worst role model for

0:52:17.560 --> 0:52:19.319
<v Speaker 1>our children. I have two boys, and my younger son

0:52:19.400 --> 0:52:21.759
<v Speaker 1>was born on election Day twenty sixteen. I remember sitting

0:52:21.800 --> 0:52:23.759
<v Speaker 1>in the hospital, heartbroken that our country had elected a

0:52:23.760 --> 0:52:26.160
<v Speaker 1>man who embodied everything I didn't want them to become.

0:52:26.520 --> 0:52:29.360
<v Speaker 1>As a lifelong conservative and former staffer for Rick and Torum,

0:52:29.880 --> 0:52:31.840
<v Speaker 1>I even voted for Hillary Clinton that year because I

0:52:31.880 --> 0:52:34.640
<v Speaker 1>feared that would happen under his presidency. Sadly, both his

0:52:34.719 --> 0:52:39.719
<v Speaker 1>temperament and character of only worsened. Sense Heather from Littleton, Colorado, Well,

0:52:40.280 --> 0:52:40.880
<v Speaker 1>you know this.

0:52:40.760 --> 0:52:44.160
<v Speaker 2>Goes to the issue of character, and it goes back to.

0:52:47.760 --> 0:52:53.880
<v Speaker 1>For whatever reason, and I think in sixteen, look, I

0:52:53.920 --> 0:52:55.879
<v Speaker 1>think you and I share a similar way that we vote,

0:52:55.880 --> 0:52:58.319
<v Speaker 1>which is, I do character matters a lot, right. I

0:52:58.320 --> 0:53:01.960
<v Speaker 1>think character is destiny. I think high character people are

0:53:02.000 --> 0:53:03.719
<v Speaker 1>going to do the right thing. Low character people are

0:53:03.719 --> 0:53:05.719
<v Speaker 1>more likely to do the wrong thing or more likely

0:53:05.719 --> 0:53:10.719
<v Speaker 1>to be out for themselves. And I certainly believe that. Unfortunately,

0:53:11.280 --> 0:53:17.880
<v Speaker 1>a second Trump term has perhaps, Look, we're coarser, we

0:53:18.120 --> 0:53:21.719
<v Speaker 1>just are as a society, and you can't tell me

0:53:21.760 --> 0:53:28.800
<v Speaker 1>it's disconnected from the way Donald Trump has modeled himself

0:53:29.280 --> 0:53:30.320
<v Speaker 1>for the American people.

0:53:30.400 --> 0:53:30.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean.

0:53:33.160 --> 0:53:35.439
<v Speaker 1>You may have heard me say this. I think the

0:53:35.560 --> 0:53:39.520
<v Speaker 1>American bad behavior at Bethpage Black during the Ryder Cup

0:53:42.000 --> 0:53:46.080
<v Speaker 1>is representative of the Trump era. Do I say Trump

0:53:46.200 --> 0:53:48.839
<v Speaker 1>himself go to those people to behave that way. No,

0:53:49.560 --> 0:53:52.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to go that far. But I think

0:53:52.280 --> 0:53:55.000
<v Speaker 1>his behavior gives a permission slip that it's okay to

0:53:55.080 --> 0:54:01.799
<v Speaker 1>sort of be be rude, be dismissed, be dehumanizing. Hey,

0:54:01.840 --> 0:54:04.400
<v Speaker 1>if the president does it, why can't I? And of

0:54:04.440 --> 0:54:07.319
<v Speaker 1>course this gets it to what we're watching how the

0:54:07.360 --> 0:54:12.000
<v Speaker 1>Democrats are dealing with this Virginia issue, where there was

0:54:16.440 --> 0:54:18.839
<v Speaker 1>there was an attempt to hold Republicans accountable when they

0:54:18.840 --> 0:54:21.440
<v Speaker 1>misbehaved like this, and there are a lot of Democrats

0:54:21.480 --> 0:54:26.320
<v Speaker 1>who were lecturing Republicans for not holding their own side accountable.

0:54:26.360 --> 0:54:30.160
<v Speaker 1>And here you have something on the Democratic side and

0:54:30.280 --> 0:54:33.600
<v Speaker 1>they're not immediately taking the moral high ground here on character,

0:54:33.640 --> 0:54:37.279
<v Speaker 1>and it's you know how much of that is? And

0:54:37.360 --> 0:54:40.600
<v Speaker 1>you see that sort of some supporters of Jay Jones

0:54:40.640 --> 0:54:43.399
<v Speaker 1>have essentially said, well, if Trump can do it, why

0:54:43.440 --> 0:54:46.960
<v Speaker 1>can't Why can't we is essentially, you know, if the

0:54:47.080 --> 0:54:49.120
<v Speaker 1>voters are going to forgive him, why wouldn't the voters

0:54:49.880 --> 0:54:51.440
<v Speaker 1>forgive Jay Jones?

0:54:51.440 --> 0:54:53.000
<v Speaker 2>And maybe that is the case.

0:54:53.040 --> 0:54:57.600
<v Speaker 1>Maybe the electorate has given up that politicians can be

0:54:57.640 --> 0:55:04.560
<v Speaker 1>good people. Unfortunately, right now I do think the I

0:55:04.560 --> 0:55:06.799
<v Speaker 1>think good people are afraid to run for office, and

0:55:06.880 --> 0:55:11.400
<v Speaker 1>I think there is a sense that if you're morally

0:55:12.640 --> 0:55:18.200
<v Speaker 1>ambiguous person, but you're looking for legitimacy in society, holding

0:55:18.239 --> 0:55:21.520
<v Speaker 1>office suddenly gives you legitimacy. You know, it brings up

0:55:21.560 --> 0:55:23.400
<v Speaker 1>a quote I've been meaning to share with you guys,

0:55:23.440 --> 0:55:27.120
<v Speaker 1>but I just haven't had the right I just haven't

0:55:27.120 --> 0:55:28.839
<v Speaker 1>had the right moment to bring it up. But I'm

0:55:28.880 --> 0:55:31.920
<v Speaker 1>going to go find the quote for you. So Madison Cawthorne,

0:55:32.080 --> 0:55:36.399
<v Speaker 1>the guy, the kid who was sort of who when

0:55:36.400 --> 0:55:39.560
<v Speaker 1>he came to Congress sort of was just he admitted

0:55:39.600 --> 0:55:41.680
<v Speaker 1>the only staff he wanted to hire work communication staff.

0:55:41.719 --> 0:55:44.239
<v Speaker 1>He didn't really see the job as representing his constituents.

0:55:44.520 --> 0:55:48.800
<v Speaker 1>He saw it as just messaging and trolling. He offended

0:55:48.840 --> 0:55:51.560
<v Speaker 1>so many Republicans that they recruited at candidates to primary

0:55:51.680 --> 0:55:55.239
<v Speaker 1>m get him out of office, and he was a

0:55:55.280 --> 0:55:58.080
<v Speaker 1>one term wonder. Well now he has shown up in

0:55:58.080 --> 0:56:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Florida and he wants to run for the open seat

0:56:00.040 --> 0:56:05.200
<v Speaker 1>that Byron Donalds is vacating to run for governor. Well,

0:56:05.560 --> 0:56:09.560
<v Speaker 1>he's not the only former member of Congress running in

0:56:09.640 --> 0:56:14.920
<v Speaker 1>that district for Byron Donalds. There's another disgraced former member

0:56:14.960 --> 0:56:17.920
<v Speaker 1>of Congress that's also running in that race. It is

0:56:18.040 --> 0:56:20.880
<v Speaker 1>Chris Collins. And if you're wondering who Chris Collins is,

0:56:20.920 --> 0:56:24.239
<v Speaker 1>he was a Republican member of Congress from the from

0:56:24.280 --> 0:56:29.400
<v Speaker 1>western New York, representing the Buffalo area, and he was

0:56:29.480 --> 0:56:31.400
<v Speaker 1>notable at first. I mean, I could tell you how

0:56:31.400 --> 0:56:33.480
<v Speaker 1>he got my radar, and first time I interviewed me,

0:56:33.640 --> 0:56:35.720
<v Speaker 1>he was the only member of Congres. He's the first

0:56:35.840 --> 0:56:38.480
<v Speaker 1>member of the House of Representative, the first House Republican

0:56:38.880 --> 0:56:42.719
<v Speaker 1>to officially endorse Donald Trump, and for the longest time,

0:56:42.920 --> 0:56:47.600
<v Speaker 1>he was the only one that endorsed Donald Trump. I mean,

0:56:47.640 --> 0:56:52.480
<v Speaker 1>it was it was, it was something else, and he

0:56:52.560 --> 0:56:54.400
<v Speaker 1>was the only one, and he was sort of he

0:56:54.480 --> 0:56:57.880
<v Speaker 1>was kind of. I enjoyed interviewing him, and in fact,

0:56:57.920 --> 0:57:00.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to try to book him for the podcast

0:57:00.600 --> 0:57:03.640
<v Speaker 1>because this quote really stood out to me, and I

0:57:03.640 --> 0:57:05.560
<v Speaker 1>don't get to it in a minute, but it sort

0:57:05.560 --> 0:57:08.799
<v Speaker 1>of gets it to what I fear elected office has

0:57:08.880 --> 0:57:14.200
<v Speaker 1>become for too many character challenged people, and perhaps describing

0:57:14.280 --> 0:57:15.480
<v Speaker 1>Chris Collins this way.

0:57:17.040 --> 0:57:18.360
<v Speaker 2>Will make him not want to come on.

0:57:19.160 --> 0:57:21.440
<v Speaker 1>But one of the things I found interesting about him

0:57:21.480 --> 0:57:24.560
<v Speaker 1>is that he seemed to be comfortable in his own skin,

0:57:24.640 --> 0:57:27.000
<v Speaker 1>willing to sort of take any question and sometimes say

0:57:27.040 --> 0:57:29.600
<v Speaker 1>things out loud that you're shocked that he would say,

0:57:30.160 --> 0:57:33.560
<v Speaker 1>which brings me to this quote. So he's among again.

0:57:33.600 --> 0:57:37.920
<v Speaker 1>Madison Cawthorne is running in this race. So's Chris Collins, right,

0:57:38.000 --> 0:57:39.760
<v Speaker 1>the former New Yorker you had to resign in twenty

0:57:39.840 --> 0:57:44.600
<v Speaker 1>nineteen after he pled guilty to some insider trading. Collins,

0:57:44.640 --> 0:57:49.280
<v Speaker 1>who's now seventy five, he suggested that he wasn't coming

0:57:49.320 --> 0:57:52.880
<v Speaker 1>out of involuntary retirement purely because of his desire to

0:57:52.920 --> 0:57:56.080
<v Speaker 1>serve his new community in southwest Florida. Here's what he

0:57:56.200 --> 0:57:59.840
<v Speaker 1>said to a podcast in August. He said, quote, if

0:57:59.880 --> 0:58:02.760
<v Speaker 1>I they then retire as a congressman from Florida nineteen

0:58:02.840 --> 0:58:05.680
<v Speaker 1>and Marco Island in Naples, I think I would be

0:58:05.720 --> 0:58:07.920
<v Speaker 1>welcomed then to serve on some of the you know,

0:58:08.320 --> 0:58:11.280
<v Speaker 1>the not for profit boards and hospital boards and being

0:58:11.280 --> 0:58:15.320
<v Speaker 1>invited to the you know, fundraisers and galas and being welcomed.

0:58:16.080 --> 0:58:18.680
<v Speaker 1>He said, that would be a great retirement because right

0:58:18.720 --> 0:58:21.240
<v Speaker 1>now it's kind of lonely. He goes, you know, I'm

0:58:21.240 --> 0:58:23.760
<v Speaker 1>not invited to any of those things because all I

0:58:23.800 --> 0:58:27.600
<v Speaker 1>am is, you know, the former congressman who resigned in disgrace,

0:58:27.840 --> 0:58:32.480
<v Speaker 1>convicted felon This was this is Chris Collins in a nutshell.

0:58:33.120 --> 0:58:38.640
<v Speaker 1>He will he speaks some blunt truths. He's self aware

0:58:38.680 --> 0:58:41.280
<v Speaker 1>and not self aware sort of all at the same time.

0:58:41.440 --> 0:58:45.200
<v Speaker 1>Right says the quiet part out loud that the only

0:58:45.280 --> 0:58:47.160
<v Speaker 1>reason he wants to run if he could just win

0:58:47.200 --> 0:58:51.120
<v Speaker 1>a term. Then suddenly he's invited to all the local

0:58:51.160 --> 0:58:53.400
<v Speaker 1>events and he gets to I guess, sit on the

0:58:53.480 --> 0:58:56.560
<v Speaker 1>dais rather than I'm sure he could be invited to

0:58:56.600 --> 0:59:00.360
<v Speaker 1>these events, but he doesn't want to beg to be there,

0:59:00.400 --> 0:59:04.440
<v Speaker 1>I guess. Anyway, I use this as an example to

0:59:04.440 --> 0:59:06.440
<v Speaker 1>sort of respond to your question on that, because that

0:59:06.600 --> 0:59:10.920
<v Speaker 1>is my concern, is that politics is turned into this

0:59:10.960 --> 0:59:14.240
<v Speaker 1>place where people rehab bad images because we now think

0:59:14.720 --> 0:59:18.800
<v Speaker 1>politicians are kind of you know that we assume a

0:59:18.840 --> 0:59:21.680
<v Speaker 1>politician is slimy. You know, you're guilty of being slimy

0:59:21.760 --> 0:59:22.520
<v Speaker 1>until you prove.

0:59:22.400 --> 0:59:22.840
<v Speaker 2>That you're not.

0:59:23.920 --> 0:59:29.280
<v Speaker 1>And that's sad. Right, I got into this. I went

0:59:29.320 --> 0:59:32.600
<v Speaker 1>to Washington because, man, I looked up to these people.

0:59:32.680 --> 0:59:34.520
<v Speaker 1>And it's true, the more you get to know them,

0:59:34.880 --> 0:59:38.120
<v Speaker 1>the more you realize not all of them are are

0:59:38.120 --> 0:59:41.320
<v Speaker 1>worth looking up to. But there was a time more

0:59:41.360 --> 0:59:44.120
<v Speaker 1>of them were. And it's a bummer. We're not there yet.

0:59:44.400 --> 0:59:45.920
<v Speaker 1>All right, let me do one more question here and.

0:59:45.920 --> 0:59:48.760
<v Speaker 2>I'll do my little college football preview for you. Good evening.

0:59:48.840 --> 0:59:51.400
<v Speaker 1>Loving the Check podcast find myself anxiously awaiting the next

0:59:51.440 --> 0:59:54.040
<v Speaker 1>installment every other morning during the week. I appreciate that

0:59:54.080 --> 0:59:57.959
<v Speaker 1>my question you recently cited congressional carve outs for pay

0:59:58.240 --> 1:00:00.640
<v Speaker 1>during government shutdowns, such as military pay and social security.

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<v Speaker 1>I was listening to someone on Boston Public Radio a

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<v Speaker 1>few days ago, where you are a frequent guest, discussed

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<v Speaker 1>military pay would cease during the shutdown. So I'm confused.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for a fantastic source of information critical of both

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<v Speaker 1>sides of the aisle. The pay is guaranteed, that the

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<v Speaker 1>pay can be delayed, but it's guaranteed, and the military

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<v Speaker 1>pay was always guaranteed as a carve out, and then

1:00:22.280 --> 1:00:24.840
<v Speaker 1>they have to a lot of times. Most of the

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<v Speaker 1>times when they've done these shorts shutdowns, they do pass

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<v Speaker 1>a bipartisan bill that says, hey, we're going to go

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<v Speaker 1>ahead and let military pay happen on time. And that

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<v Speaker 1>was frequent when we always had some you know, some

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<v Speaker 1>members of the military in a hot zone or a

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<v Speaker 1>war zone, notably for whatever reason, they didn't you know Democrats.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, that's one of the ways that Democrats are

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<v Speaker 1>now trying to go to Mike Johnson back to bringing

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<v Speaker 1>the House back this week, is to just simply vote

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<v Speaker 1>on that so that there's no interruption in their pay.

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<v Speaker 1>But the carve out, they're guaranteed their pay and in

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<v Speaker 1>the case of active duty military, you know, they're housing,

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<v Speaker 1>the don't have to worry about that. So that's why

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<v Speaker 1>it's that carve out. If they weren't guaranteed their pay, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think you'd have a different situation.

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<v Speaker 1>So where I may have confused you was I may

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<v Speaker 1>have indicated that they were they were getting it without

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<v Speaker 1>interruption because they always do, but they hadn't. Actually each

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<v Speaker 1>time they had to individually vote to make sure it

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<v Speaker 1>was done without interruption, and they didn't do that for

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<v Speaker 1>this time, which was unusual. But there is no but

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<v Speaker 1>the law guarantees that back pay. Quote it's what the

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<v Speaker 1>law guarantees the back pay now of all federal workers.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a separate law that was passed in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen that Donald Trump signed the law and now that

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<v Speaker 1>his current budget director is trying to claim does not abide.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, apologies for confusing you on that, but that

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<v Speaker 1>that's where that goes, all right, So with that, I

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<v Speaker 1>am this is my first weekend and four weekends and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not traveling to see a football game.

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<v Speaker 2>I will be honest, as.

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<v Speaker 1>A middling aged man, I am getting exhausted for mayor travel.

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<v Speaker 1>So maybe I needed a weekend off from traveling to football.

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<v Speaker 1>But that doesn't mean we don't have a great lineup

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<v Speaker 1>of games this week. Look the most the one I'm

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<v Speaker 1>most curious about, and I think the one that will

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<v Speaker 1>be more determinative to me. You know, there's two big

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<v Speaker 1>ones this week, and they're both in the Big ten. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>you have Indiana at Oregon. Do you fully believe in Indiana?

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<v Speaker 1>And how good is Oregon?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Do we look at the Penn State loss to UCLA

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<v Speaker 1>and start to question whether is was that just Penn

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<v Speaker 1>State flat spot or is Penn State really just not

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<v Speaker 1>that good without Tyler Warren?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>And I think we're starting to come to the conclusion

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<v Speaker 1>that they had a special, special talent in Tyler Warren.

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<v Speaker 2>How good was he? He's so good.

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<v Speaker 1>He's made the Colts a playoff team right all on

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<v Speaker 1>his own. He's made Daniel Jones look like an MVP candidate.

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<v Speaker 1>So shame on all of us for not realizing how

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<v Speaker 1>maybe that dude should have been invited to New York

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<v Speaker 1>at least to be a Heisman finalist on that front.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the other interesting game is Ohio State going

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<v Speaker 1>to Champagne in Illinois.

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<v Speaker 2>Who is Illinois?

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<v Speaker 1>Are they the team that beat USC or the team

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<v Speaker 1>that got their clocks cleaned in Bloomington by Indiana? They're

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<v Speaker 1>tough at home. Ohio State does appear to be getting

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<v Speaker 1>better every week. Justin saying, I'm just saying, right, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not going to get over that punditry that that ability

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<v Speaker 1>to do so many puns with the quarterback of Ohio State.

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<v Speaker 2>We're all just.

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<v Speaker 1>Saying that, justin saying is getting better every week. I'm not,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, I'm not somebody who will bet on

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<v Speaker 1>individual players. I accept the premise that I think player

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<v Speaker 1>props are very corruptible when it comes to when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to gambling, and in fact, in the state of Virginia,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't even allow you to bet on awards. You

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<v Speaker 1>can't bet on the Heisman in Virginia. I have to

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<v Speaker 1>go across the river to DC if I wanted.

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<v Speaker 2>To do that.

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<v Speaker 1>But if I were taking a long shot Heisman pick

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<v Speaker 1>right now, justin saying would be a pretty good bye

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<v Speaker 1>at this point, because you know the way the Heisman

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<v Speaker 1>stuff works, it's all recency bias. And as much as

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<v Speaker 1>I think Reuben Bain and Miami or Carson Beck and

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<v Speaker 1>Miami both deserve consideration, their most high profile games are

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<v Speaker 1>now over and Ohio State has a lot more high

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<v Speaker 1>profile games to come. And of course that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the whole recency bias, right, He's going to be having

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<v Speaker 1>that Michigan game, you know, not very far from the

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<v Speaker 1>voting itself, perhap. Ohio State Oregon in the in the

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<v Speaker 1>Big Ten Conference final itself is another stage for him. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's interesting how good is he? How good is

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<v Speaker 1>is Illinois. It's slowing this game down in order to

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<v Speaker 1>give themselves a chance. They can't afford to trade scores

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<v Speaker 1>with Ohio State. So I'm intrigued by that game. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if I buy into Illinois, And in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>their victory over USC makes me doubt USC more than

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<v Speaker 1>it does make me more confident in Illinois. And then

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<v Speaker 1>there's Indiana in Oregon right the other game, So it

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<v Speaker 1>all depends on how much of a juggernaut you think Illinois.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's clear Indiana is better this year than

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<v Speaker 1>they were last year. But does that mean they're they're

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<v Speaker 1>they're a contender for the whole thing or not. If

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<v Speaker 1>they can put up a once, you know, even lose

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<v Speaker 1>just by one score in Eugene, I think it's fair

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<v Speaker 1>to say, because that is one tough place to play,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's fair to say they are contenders. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't believe.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not that The first game out of my mouth

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<v Speaker 1>isn't about Texas Oklahoma. Here we have the Red River

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<v Speaker 1>Shootout rivalry, whatever we're supposed to call it. Now, it

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<v Speaker 1>does feel as if this is a This has become

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<v Speaker 1>a very important game for Arch Manning's reputation, fairly or unfairly.

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<v Speaker 1>I do think it's worth reminding people that Arch's grandfather, Archie,

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<v Speaker 1>was the first one to say he's not turning pro

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty six. Perhaps he knew his grandson needed more

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<v Speaker 1>time to sort of in the football factory to get better.

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<v Speaker 1>Look the hype machine. It's not as if the Manning

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<v Speaker 1>family didn't contribute to the hype machine. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it is what it is. Sometimes you can't do anything

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<v Speaker 1>about it. You know, if he were Arch Smith, he

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't be He wouldn't have gotten the same amount of hype,

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<v Speaker 1>nor would he be getting the same amount of criticism.

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<v Speaker 1>But the real question is whether John Matteer, Oklahoma starting quarterback,

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<v Speaker 1>is really going to try to play here in this game.

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<v Speaker 1>Except look, Oklahoma are are they legit contenders for the

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing? They beat Texas without Matier as a relevant force.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a big deal and that shouldn't be ignored. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's probably the third most interesting game for me on

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<v Speaker 1>the docket. Then after that, everything else is only interesting

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<v Speaker 1>depending on how much money you plan on putting down there.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Georgia Auburn, I think we thought that.

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<v Speaker 2>Would be a big deal game.

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<v Speaker 1>I assume Georgia wins that with a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>put it this way, I I will be surprised if

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<v Speaker 1>that's a if that's a close game in the fourth quarter,

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<v Speaker 1>and if it is, then maybe Georgia isn't a top

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<v Speaker 1>ten team this year. And by the way, no shame

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<v Speaker 1>in that. My goodness, look at how many people they've

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<v Speaker 1>sent to the pros. At some point, I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 1>the cupboard is empty, but their depth at some point

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<v Speaker 1>is going to catch up with them, and in this environment,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't get to stockball talent the way you used

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to stockpilot. So that's a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of a we'll learn a little something there, depending on

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<v Speaker 1>the on the spread of that game and if baseball

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<v Speaker 1>is not doing it for you. That Friday night South

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<v Speaker 1>Florida North Texas game, it's a big deal to South

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<v Speaker 1>Florida if they want to be the group of five

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<v Speaker 1>representative in the playoff. I think it's gonna be a

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<v Speaker 1>great game. They're going on the road. They got to

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<v Speaker 1>win that game. And as a Floridian and as a

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<v Speaker 1>team that that the Hurricanes have defeated, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>see everybody that Miami.

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<v Speaker 2>Beat do well.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's go Bulls. Let's go see if you can

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<v Speaker 1>go to the other big game in North Texas this

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<v Speaker 1>weekend and give them a good preview. Should be an

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<v Speaker 1>entertaining game. If you're just looking for some entertaining football,

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<v Speaker 1>North Texas and South Florida is one that will be

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<v Speaker 1>worthy of your time. All right, with that, I have

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<v Speaker 1>a relaxing weekend as my Hurricanes have another bye. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>get a buy week before Florida State bye. I have

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<v Speaker 1>to tell you The scheduling this year for Miami has

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<v Speaker 1>been fantastic, which means, let's not screw this season up.

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<v Speaker 1>We are not going to have where we get a

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<v Speaker 1>buy before Florida State and then a BUYE to recover

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<v Speaker 1>from Florida State before going into this Friday night game

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<v Speaker 1>that we have coming up next week with the always

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<v Speaker 1>dangerous Louisville Cardinals. So with that, I'll see in about

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<v Speaker 1>ninety six hours. Enjoy what is this is right now,

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<v Speaker 1>we are at peak sports fandom. They're all coming together, NHL,

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<v Speaker 1>NBA regular seasons begin, baseball playoffs, college football, NFL. It

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<v Speaker 1>is a smorgasboard, So enjoy it while it's here. Enjoy

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<v Speaker 1>this October weekend, and with that I'll see in my

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<v Speaker 1>name